I have a question if possible. I've noticed you've mentioned cleansers containing salicylic acid. I was under the impression that these were pointless as the product is being washed away within seconds so the active doesn't have time to do its thing. Would love to know your take on this. Thank you for your wonderful videos.
I do agree that microneedling can help mild and early acne scars, however it will not improve severe rolling, ice pick or even moderate tethered scars. Still, its an entry level treatment that is standard protocol driven, that is affordable for most patients. Dr Davin Lim
Love Moore o m g! I'm sorry that happened. 😞😢 I was really about to start with this and hoping it would help mine . Even fractional laser didn't my scars. Did you do it yourself or you. you go somewhere? I'm so curious how it made it worse.
Love your wealth of information. Nice to see a professional talking about skincare and not some random person who has no idea what they are talking about.
I’m an esthetician and micro needling on myself and my clients helps to maintain okay skin condition, it’s not like Botox which makes any wrinkles visibly go away, but it helps to keep the wrinkles less visible if they are deep or average. Kinda keeps you away from Botox for a while unless your preference is cardinal procedures
For those thinking about receiving microneedling treatment, it really does what you hope it will. I had dozens of acne scars on my face to the point where I couldn't grow facial hair. Every treatment I got, I saw more little hairs popping up and now most of them are gone. It doesn't happen overnight though. It takes a few months of continuous treatment but it's certainly worth the money and time.
For any latinos out there thinking of getting microneedling. I recently got my third session done and it really does help with acne scars. It’s slightly painful but nothing you won’t be able to stand. It honestly depends how you take care of your skin afterwards. I usually don’t wash my face for up to 6 hours after i get it done and when i do i wash it with cetaphyl gentle soap, apply hyaluronic acid and a gentle face cream.
Hey Jessica, I'd like to get your feedback. What is your skin type and skin tone? What changes have you seen in your skin? Has it helped with scar reduction?
Latino is not a skin type so whatever worked for you has nothing to do with a cultural group. Latin people can be gingers or black.. literally all skin types.
I LOVE YOU! You remind me of my my late son's pediatric gastroenterologist Dr. Toba Weinstein. My son since passed, so watching you also bring's back those great memories in a odd kinda way.
ljay tajelpo There’s a lot of instructions on youtube about dermarolling. It’s what you apply after, I’ve been using rosehip oil after dermarolling to help my inflamation and redness
I agree that caution is best. I think micro needling is great in moderation. Light pressure. Clean the instrument and the face. Avoid topical solutions. The injuries are slight and allow the skin to breathe. In my opinion, some of these masks and facial cleansers are even more abrasive to the skin than derma rolling. Some of us have terrible acne scars that we have to look at every day and people just want to feel normal.
With all the hype over using dermarollers on YT, I am really glad that you addressed this from a clinical perspective. Thank you so much for all this information.. Sue
doleg Why is a fetus watching this video? Wtf are you even doing here on RUclips. Go to bed disrespectful little jerk. Also learn how to spell before making fun of strangers.
You are a breath of fresh air ! I am suffering from hair loss, and this is been going on for a number of years now. I am postmenopausal and I thought it was due to my hormones so I went to see an endocrinologist to check my hormones out, and she told me to go home and take biotin supplements. And so I went to my gynecologist and she put me on estrogen supplements via a patch twice a week. It's at a relatively low dose but it helps stop the hot flashes, and she told me I could take this patch until I'm 65 years old. I am 59 now. My hair grows but it has too much shed or Fallout and I am getting link so. I don't care to have long hair I just wanted to stop shedding. I am going to pay attention to your videos, as you're the first dermatologist I have seen online in any capacity that has been so open and willing to share. Thank you so much.
Sorry is there a hair loss product that you would recommend for postmenopausal women who are taking low-dose estrogen supplements!? Thank you so much if your answer and I was so glad to see you reply to my my comment yesterday!
Thank you Dr Dray! You're my number one source of information before I search any thing related to dermatology. I have also seen a lot of improvement on my skin and I'm no longer stressed about it.
This has done wonders for my acne scars. Now I'm not saying overnight but over the last year of micro needling well.. I'm able to to without makeup go around my house without being terribly uncomfortable and embarrassed. I'm going to continue for this next year more regularly and I hope it continues to do what it's done previously
Yeah since making this video microneedling continues to yield good results for acne scars when done in office. I still caution against that at home devices, however, as we do see problems with these and they are not calibrated well often
@@DrDrayzday I completely understand your stance on caution when done at home. But I do keep my tools clean and away from any of my other tools that I use for my face. And I before and after use every time disinfect the tool and start with a very very clean face. Thanks so much for actually responding to my little nothing comment. So rare these days that people take time out of there busy lives for one another. Thanks again Doc'
Im naturally tan, ethnic skin and suffer from very light acne scaring and some darker melasma hyperpigmentation on my cheeks. I've done 4 micro needling sessions at home (once a week) for a month and noticed an improvement. It's been months since my last session. I noticed no new melasma spots formed since. One more session should solve it. If you do it at home DO YOUR RESEACH! DO NOT SKIMP ON SANITATION! TAKE BIG PRECAUTIONS! It's not for those who can't dedicate a week of going bare face and taking extra caution with anything they come in contact with.
Dr. Dray, love to hear you speak of the physiology of derma rolling. I've been using it on my lips for over two years, with great success. I'm a registered nurse, and feel comfortable doing it at home. You are very generous to share your knowledge with us. Many blessings...MaryEllen
In case anyone in the comments is curious- I've gotten microneedling done by my Board Certified dermatology 4 times now. She uses the Skin Pen (the only FDA cleared microneedling device). It has helped my scars and I'm still planning on getting 2 more sessions. It is NOT a quick fix and the results aren't instant, but it has worked for me over time.
Micro needling helped me get rid of my severe acne scars. It was my first in-office procedure to tackle my acne scars.. since then, I’ve tried peels and lasers. I get compliments on my skin now and people don’t believe that my skin used to be horrible.
I find that my tone appears more balanced, my skin brightens, wrinkles are less defined, overall my face seems more alive and less drawn out. I also began to nano needle vitamin C and alternate with kiwi seed oil, which helps to maintain a super healthy and vibrant glow. I just turned 49 and I get mistaken for being in my 30's all the time
I've had 3 sessions. It's gradual healing at best which makes me question if there's any point, especially since it costs 4 figures. It's safe as long as you're in good hands. It doesn't hurt and i don't think you even need numbing cream. The skin above the upper lip is sensitive, so if it's still numb the following day, don't worry. I'd say take a week off and stay home to reduce risk of these newly created tiny holes becoming infected. Don't workout and try not to sweat, so perhaps consider undergoing this treatment in the colder months.
@@lanadelrey3821 The dermatologist here is saying serums don't work. I think allowing the body to heal on its own is the best thing, even if it takes a few years for the scars to fade 70-80%.
I sell home use dermarollers, I have to agree this is small and can be very dangerous device if people don't know how to use, however I provide tons of videos educating my customers and subscribers how to use it and with all proven studies, I'm esthetician with 11 years of experience, never had disappointed client or subscriber, rollers might be not for everybody and people might not see results, but I sold thousands of rollers and got not even one negative review or comment that damaged the skin. Also it is very IMPORTANT to know where you are buying your device, if it has medical CE, how it is made, metal wheels which has no benefits or real individual needles. Again I have tons of information about dermarolling on my channel. I highly believe it's the best skin care home use device to improve the skin, I don't love because I sell it, I sell it because I love it and I have never gotten negative comment from my customers, patients or subscribers.
I agree. As long as you maintain proper hygienic protocols there is no logical reason as to why this would be significantly safer in a dermatologists office than at home. You don't need 6+ years of medical school to be able to roll a dermaroller back and forth. But a lot of people are simply stupid, so I don't think many dermatologists will condone at home rolling with good conscience because someone will probably mess something up. On top of that, why would they recommend doing a procedure for free at home, when *they're* the ones making $200 from doing it in their office? They have every incentive to advice you to get this done professionally - because they're the ones getting paid to do with professionally. I don't think the risks of doing this at home are significantly higher than doing it at an office. The treatments at offices tend to be more aggressive in an attempt to produce more drastic results, which also gives higher risks. I honestly trust myself more with microneedling than I trust a derm. But mostly because a derm ruining my face with lasers is the reason why I'm doing this in the first place.
Gin Amber, I was uncertain about using a dermaroller on my face and started to look into it. I watch several beauty vloggers, several who have chimed in here, and have seen their success. So, when I discovered your videos, I feel even more educated and assured that I can do this myself.
Birgit Roth I wouldn’t just wipe it down, but submerge in isopropyl alcohol and leave for 20 mins. ( before and after). Think if it as a surgical instrument. Although after Dr Gray’s thoughts I think I will throw mine out.
Margie Medina I’ve suffered from hyper pigmentation for years I’ve tried everything thing retin a worked for a while but stopped at the strongest strength! This saved my skin and at 30 I look 23 because it plumps the skin it changed my life there are different needle lengths for at home nothing over 0.3 I say go for it ! Btw there is a snail bee essesnce that I love to use in combo !
@@harmoneypeters 0.3 meddle doesn't reach the dermis to help with hyperpigmentation or introduction of collagen production. Usually, you'll need 0.5 nothing more to be safe but you also have to make sure you sterilised your derma roller. If you can tolerate the pricking.
I started researching different skin procedures including microneedling, chemical peels, red-light treatment, and fraxel laser. I decided to go with the fraxel even though it's kinda expensive and requires one week of downtime. Honestly this is the best decision I have ever made concerning my skin. After two fraxel procedures were done one month apart, my skin is as clear and perfect as I hoped it would he. All my sun damage, brown spots, AKs, even fine lines are gone. My skin was a mess and now it looks beautiful. I hope this helps someone decide.
This is one of my highly trusted resources for skincare. Doc knows what she is talking about. I somehow wasn’t subscribed anymore and am so excited to have come across this channel again. Doc should legit have her own skincare line. I would be a customer for life but I guess I’ll just settle for videos.
Before I knew I had rosacea I tried microneedling from a highly reputable place. Totally destroyed my skins moisture barrier and made it so much worse :( I feel like that’s what took my sensitive skin to a whole other level and I’ve been working for 2+ years trying to get it back to a more calm level even though I know the redness and rosacea has no cure :-/
Slugging with Vaseline every night has cured my rosacea… I still have old marks from it But never flushes or flares anymore My skin has been amazing since slugging
Just watched this, got up and got my Dermaroller and put it in the garbage. I had used it a few times but was always afraid. Thank you so much for so much information! You are so wonderful!!
Hi! I'm treating melasma whit microneedling, and I see difference. I'm doing a session 3w/3 weeks, two until now. I use a Eucerin cream the days after, and Neostrata after that one. I note difference. I think one or two sessions more and it's finished. I note improvement in wrinkles between brows, too. I'm 44 years and I'm doing the treatment whit a stetician (sorry, I'm portuguese, so I don't know some words... 😎). It's winter now, but I still use sunscreen. 😘🇵🇹
Carmen, what size of needles you used, and what do you mean 3/3 weeks.thank you, I have melasma to and want try microneedling to see if works for me. Have blessed day😊
@@lilianasotres9415 Well, I don't know. The stetician said that is a new method, but not the size. And now I stopped because Portugal is at home again, because of the pandemia... I had 3 sessions until now, and I seed differences. Sorry I can't help you...
As soon as I saw it was you I gave a thumbs up immediately as I saw 1 where you walked into a CVS or Walgreens & critiqued seversl products. You're my fave! Thanks, Julie
Dr. Dray, Your skin is looking particularly radiant today! Have been watching you daily since discovering your channel a month or so ago, and after following your recommendations on simple skin care routines, my skin has never looked better. I keep watching your number of subscribers grow daily. You'll be at 100k before you know it! I greatly appreciate the time you take to make make these informative videos as well as your fun vlogs, especially the ones with your mother!
I love this comment showing Dr. Dray was approaching 100K followers. Today she has more than 2M! 7 years of daily uploads. It's an unbelievable accomplishment for which I am grateful.
There is such a contrast between this basic, non-flashy presentation packed full of relevant and unbiased facts and data, and everyone else in the skincare industry with something to sell. I'm also watching this in 2020, and wondering WHY DON'T WE LISTEN TO DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS!?
Yeah I cant believe all the ppl in the other videos insulting her in the comments just because they didn't like what she said about the procedure being done at home and how dangerous that is like they went to several years of medical school and residency to be a specialist 🙄 ppl only like medicine and science when its convenient or affirms some habit they have.
Goodness! I was doing at home microneedling with vitamin C serum for deep chicken pox scars from my childhood. I stopped because I wasn't seening much improvement but just a little. You really made me want to rethink this. I am still interested in microneedling but the products they provide are horribly inadequate compared to the procdure you described.
I had perioral dermatitis that was well treated and completely inactive and not visible or irritated at all. One treatment of micro needling and it was in FULL FORCE! I would NOT recommend for anyone to try micro needling near your mouth if you have had perioral dermatitis in the past. I was SO embarrassed and felt like a lizard for three weeks afterward.
Oh my Dr. Dray....I am very very glad I saw this video. I was just going to order my roller....I was nervous because I am 63 and because I am concerned about diabetes and infection. I think what I will do is have it professionally done, if at all. I don't like the idea of derma-rolling and then putting makeup on afterward. Thank you for all you do Dr. Dray xxo Sues
Susan (LIttle Poet), I am going to watch this video again, there was SO MUCH INFO in it!! I am quite certain Dr. Dray said to not wear any makeup for TWO WEEKS following dermarolling. Wow, scary!!!
Of course dermatologists are going to advice you to get it done profesionally - they're the ones getting paid to do it profesionally. I also understand why no dermatologist would go out and condone doing this at home - because a lot of people are just simply stupid. The fact is that as long as you follow the exact same protocols as they would in an office, it's absolutely absurd to pay $200 for literally the same treatment you can get at home. The main problem with doing this at home is keeping a sterile environment, but as long as you ensure that your equipment is unused and properly sterilised with alcohol, as well as thoroughly cleaning your face, rinsing it in water and letting it airdry, you're not being any less sterile than a dermatologist would. In other words, as long as you're not a moron, you should be perfectly capable of doing this at home. I had my face ruined by a dermatologist who basically experimented with my face with a new laser he had no idea how to use, and used for the wrong indication. I'm now actually fixing my face, myself, with microneedling, that was ruined *by a dermatologist* - and I've seen *many* dermatologists prior to this disaster and they've all known *less* about hyperpigmentation than I have. Dr. Dray here seems knowledgeable and generally interested in her field, but I'm sorry to say that the average dermatologist, from my experience, is not someone I would trust my face with anymore than I would trust myself. At this point I feel much safer doing this myself than in the hands of some heavy-handed dermatologist looking to make a few quick bucks. That's also why many dermatologists pretend that lasers are the best treatment for pretty much anything, even though microneedling and relatively cheap topical treatments often times are equally effective without the risk. It's because they've spent loads of money on these lasers and they want a return on their investment. You need to take *their* incentive into account - the incentive of most dermatologists is first of all just to make money. Why on earth would they advice you to do something they can make money from, at home for free, when it's arguably "less safe" to do it at home? The only person who has solely your own health as an incentive is *you*. Sorry, that's just my two cents.
I totally agree with you on lasers - almost everyone who has had laser treatment is unsatisfied, and that's the best case scenario, worst case, people are left with permanent discoloration, texture changes, etc. I did just want to point out that Dr. Davin Lim does condone at home microneedling with shorter length needles, he says it's a good adjunct therapy to having professional skin remodeling with a dermatologist.
Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen alcohol does not sterilize, it sanitizes which is the lowest level of killing germs something sterile has been sanitized, disinfected, and then sterilized with a UV light or extreme heat. Alcohol has a similar level of cleanliness to soap and water
Sara Zaldana girl it is not rocket science to use. Of course she’ll say that she’s a Dermatologist, lol. go snag you one at Marshall’s that’s where i got mine! so easy and effective
Microneedling was used in 1950, in Germany, with pediatric patient who had severe burns. The name was Dermaroller and it has a patent on it ,so it’´s nothing very new, it has longer history than 1994…..
So glad I found this video! Was about to order a dermaroller, but hesitated because of my history of post-acne hyperpigmentation, diabetes, plus the fact that I'm a cheloid machine. Your video really opened my eyes. Thanks so much!
I really appreciate your channel and the quality information you provide. I really appreciate the fact you aren't using gimmicks and bad science, just scientific information to give sound answers to patients seeking cosmetic procedures. I love it.
Thanks doc. Sounds like you did a considerable amount of research on this and gave us the bottom line on the positives and negatives. I so appreciate your time and long studied knowledge. Rita :)
I have deep boxcar and ice pick scars on my cheeks left over from when I had acne as a teen. I've been using a 1.5mm roller for only 2 weeks every 3 days and I've already seen a gigantic improvement. Not sure if it will completely remove the scars but they are noticeably less deep and more even now. The fact that a $15 tool is giving me any kind of results is astounding.
Omg, thank you!!! I just purchased one n did it for the first time very lightly, no blood but my face tingled. I will definitely not do it again. Gracias!!!
I would like toTHANK YOU for CARING so MUCH about ALL people (not just ur patients), that u give ur personal time to educate us ALL! Many people CAN'T afford to go see a Dermatologist to ask &/or learn about the many topics/info which you have so GRACIOUSLY provided! Once again,, from another health care provider who also cares, I sincerely APPRECIATE ur COMPASSION, EFFORTS, & TIME! Bless YOU!
@I Was Here you sound stupid saying that. Age is about perspective most of the time, sure, in terms of numbers 30 is close to old age considering the average life expectancy for people is between 70 and 80 , but 30 isnt even the peak 😂 you must be in your early 20's to believe that.
I Was Here there are a bunch of 30 years old that do not look saggy 😂 my sister looks bomb at 30 no wrinkles clear skin so I honestly think it’s genetic people who sag at 30 have horrible genetics
Thank You Doctor for your very informative video on microneedling. Had my first dermapen at a clinic in Sydney and noticed a difference in the mirror at the checkout. I’m going back for my next appointment in 4 weeks. I was shown a photo of a man with acne scars (before and after). There was a noticeable difference where the skin had actually rejuvenated all that scar tissue into a new complexion. I just hope it will clear my red blemishes and maybe even a few wrinkles. I had Fractional resurfacing about a year ago and got rid of my sunspots. Nice video!
Dr. Dray, What a wonderful service you are providing and maybe it's just me, but I think you could really benefit from a voice coach. A coach could help you eliminate the nasal twang, and sudden drops in pitch as well as the teenage "up talk" at the end of a sentence. I say this with nothing but goodwill intended.
I've had numerous micro needling procedures to help with some nasty scars leftover from severe teenage cystic acne. I originally tried it as an alternative to lasers - since I'm a darker ethnic person. I've seen great results in the overall texture of my skin. And thanks to your videos, I've stopped using all those products that were irritating my face to no end! Now, my skincare routine is simple and fragrance free and I actually reapply sunscreen. I've given up on anti-aging products....as I realize they're a total gimmick - no one can stop aging.
What type of scars was it effective on? Rolling, PIH? Were they cystic acne scars? I'm considering it but not sure it works on superficial scars or deeper ones as well.
they were scars from cystic acne that look like little keloid scars. My face isn't perfectly smooth - but there has been considerable improvement. And, since the scars are close to 30 years old, I'm very pleased that my face has become smoother and the overall texture of my skin is actually soft for the first time in my life. @@rutube007
It’s very popular on You Tube, but with my sensitive skin, I decided against it. I didn’t realize it could cause permanent damage. Yikes! Thanks for the great info.
I have people in my life pushing me to dermaroll at home, like really pushing me to the point of saying I’m being dramatic and overly cautious. But I won’t budge. If I ever do decide to get micro-needling done on my face, which I’m not sure if I even should as I’m likely a Type 4 on the Fitzpatrick Scale, I would have to consult a bunch of dermatologists first and see what they recommend. If they do recommend it, I would insist on knowing how many micro-needling procedures they have performed and what their success rate is. I couldn’t imagine blindly taking such a risk of messing up your face, intentionally. Save up and get it done by a professional because if your DIY dermarolling goes wrong you’ll end up paying waaaay more!
Thank you once again Dr Dray for being the voice of reason on this platform. Most videos on YT overhype current trendy products, without thinking of the possible, very real adverse effects that can occur. I very much appreciate, as many others here do, your candid educational videos. Well done! Thank you!
Foreign body graniloma can be a side effect of micro needling, if Vitamin C serum is put on the skin immediately after micro needling. Do not do microneedling at home it can predispose you to Infection. However it can help with acne scarring. But should be done in a doctor’s office. Avoid microneedling if you have herpes cold sores or if you have a sunburn. Thank you Dr. Dray. 👍🏻🌹
Long time ago a dermatologist gave Cerave at that time I didn't think it worked, because it caused me break outs. I didn't know it was cleaning from the inside. I was using Jan Miri, now that caused me break outs as well. But in this case I can feel the balls inside my skin. I decided to not spend more money on expensive products. I saw your video about Cerave, so I decided to give it a try. My skin is fabulous now. My skin has change now that I am older from normal to kind of oily. So I used the SA Cerave only when I have some break outs and it works fantastic. So Thank you very much.
I’m so glad I decided to watch this video. It seems that micro needling is the latest trend as an anti-aging treatment. But I’m reluctant to try that. For some reason I don’t think that injuring your skin is necessarily a good thing.
My advice is to stay far away from this! I tried it for several months and honestly saw no improvement in wrinkles. But the worst thing is I followed every sterilization protocol and ended up in the hospital with one of the worst cases of cellulitis the doctors at the hospital had ever seen. Not only was the pain and loss of work when you are self-employed bad enough but not having insurance only added to the mess. Leave this one to the professionals.
That must’ve been so painful and scary. So sorry you had to experience that. Thanks for sharing. You might’ve saved me and others from having the same or worse experience.
Very timely video for me. I have been interested in at home micro- needling with the hope that it would stimulate collagen production and improve my pore size on my nose which has increased in the last couple of years (I'm 43), I find it quite unsightly. The Derma roller kits can be quite expensive, I've had my eye on one which also includes the necessary cleaner for the roller to keep things sanitary. I think on balance though, I might be better giving this a miss. Back to the drawing board on my pores! Thanks for this Dr Dray, great video as always.
Thank you for all the information you put on RUclips. I’m aging so I looked on RUclips to see what others are doing to stay youthful looking. I looked at derma rolling but decided against it because I’m prone to infection. I have been hospitalized 2X with sepsis due to viral illness’s. I’ve been binge watching you for the last week!
SingingMyBlue I heard don’t use vitamin C Use hyaluronic acid serum during ( apply each section at a time so the derma pen slides) & then nothing else for 24 hours. Then proceed with regular skin regimen. This is what I do ( twice so far) with good results.
13:32 in- I have struggled with facial issues after a fourth Microneedling treatment. The first three were great and indeed improved my skin tremendously. The fourth , about 5-7 days in I started to have itching and looked to be having some type of allergic reaction. I was put on Doxy with no serious improvements. My case was referred to a dermatologist, I seen a PA who diagnosed me with Rosacea, I had amazing even skin beforehand. I believe this you mentioned in the video has become a complication as a result of microneedling, do you have any advice. Many doctors I see are not aware of these case studies of these particular complications.
I'm not telling people they should do this at home but if you do please use disinfectant. Disinfect the skin before and after, disinfect the derma roller/stamp before and after! Don't put anything in an open wound that isn't 100% sterile (which most of your cosmetics aren't)! Acne scars suck but skin infections suck worse!
So I derma roll at home and the steps I do is 1.I wash my face 2.I use a toner to clean my face 3. I use my derma roller ( but I have cleaned it with alcohol a day before and waited for it to dry , and I didn’t put it in an very open place where any fibers can come in I put it in its container that it came with and I also cleaned my container) 4. After I use the derma roller I put my oils on and my vitamin oils also 5. Then I use ice cubes on my face to calm it down and close my face pores Soooooo the question is am I doing it the right way ?? ( plus I do not do it every day ) and my needle size is 0.25 mm .
“So here’s what you need to know about micro-needling..... *final 30 seconds of video* .....I ABSOLUTELY advise against getting one of these and using it.”
Ya she's saying don't use it at home...... She's not saying you shouldn't go get it done at a dermatologist's office. It's a very beneficial procedure if done by a PROFESSIONAL
@@mygirldarby I think there’s a huge difference between home and professional. Professional: 1. They have light anesthesia, it will bleed. 2. It is poking motion. Evenly done. At home: 1. Without anesthesia, it hurt. If done lightly, it won’t get the desire depth. 2. Hard to make it even when using poking motion. With the roller (what I have), it will create slice instead of hole. Easier to cover the face though. I think it should only be done professionally.
@@mygirldarby a) their tools are different, some clinics even use radio frequency microneedling machines. B) a professional knows the required depth and patterns for your specific skin concerns, regular people at home don’t.
I can't afford to go get regular professional treatments, but I can learn how to do this properly at home. I feel like the "Don't try this at home" warning is for people who refuse to put in 10-20 hours into learning how to do it properly. The professional won't be getting more training than this themselves before they get hands-on with the procedure.
Lol, big mistake. Dr. Dray is the only dermatologist that has recommended not doing this. Many other dermatologists in youtube are ok with this as long as you do so responsibly, educated, and carefully. I've been derma rolling for two years. I buy high quality rollers with surgical steel, never had an issue because I educated myself on what the correct way of rolling and pressure is. If you buy a 0.5 roller you're very likely to not experience issues.... unless you're rolling on acne and keloid scars. It's common sense stuff.
After MicroNeedling I only use Hyaluronic Acid for 2 to 3 days to help with the dryness and tightness of the skin. As I don’t want to apply other products like active serums/creams etc and risk infection (at least HA is produced in our body)... I keep out of the sun. No makeup, no sunscreen for 2days, change for a clean fresh pillow case and towel day of MicroNeedling. I keep it clean and simple. I have a dog and keep him away from my face for a few days.
I'm glad I came across this video. I've been curious about this microneedling that can be done at home. You have helped a lot of people with this info. I'm sure.
You are an oasis in RUclips information jungle. Thanks for stating adverse reaction. I recently started Derma Rolling at home. I was not sure what to do after the rolling. One said she doesn't do anything after rolling because of letting it work itself. I said, ok, I agree with that but all others say apply Vitamin C, or HA, or Matrixyl,,,,?? Problem with doing nothing is making skin dry, so I apply one of those three after 10 minutes. So far it looks ok, I'm only using 0.25 and 0.5 mm so either way it should be fine.
Really appreciate your expert comments on this subject. It seems there are too many pitfalls in this product and you explained many of them. Best wishes.
I feel like I spend so much money on retinoids and SA and other anti aging topical products...which are pretty futile compared to these procedures? Should I save up for microneedling > topical serums?
Thank YOU Dr. Dray!!! I was totally on the fence about this after seeing many RUclipsrs touting the advantages of dermarolling at home. I am OFF the fence now and RUNNING in the other direction. Thanks again!!! Keep looking UP!!!
You can do microneedling at home perfectly fine if you just use your brain. Use pens/stamp and not a roller - practice proper hygienic protocol, and there's no logical reason as to why you'd pay $200 to have someone do the exact same treatment. But hey, it's your money. :)
I literally got buccal cellulitis from getting microneedled I’d done it multiple times no issue until the last one. It was not worth the stress of wondering if id become deformed from any scarring. Thank god its cleared up and is ok but definitely not again
Oh no that sounds awful! Can I ask why did that happen the last time you got it done? What was done differently and was it done by the same dermatologist?
My son had a pyogenic granuloma growth on his forehead, right between his eye brows, after he had a pimple and picked at it. It was the craziest thing I'd ever seen at the time. It was big, about the size of a marble and it would fall off when he would take a shower or accidently rubbed it and the wound would bleed so much. It looked like a piece of raw hamburger meat. I felt so bad for him. It took a month before we could get him to a Dr. to cauterize it so it wouldn't keep growing back. I'm still not sure what caused it to grow back. The doctor said something about blood vessels. It was so big and the Dr said he'd never seen one get so big. They weighed and measured it and took pics for research. Unfortunately I can't afford to have microneedling sessions professionally done so I take the risk myself. I use a .25 derma-roller , once or 2x a month. I clean my face well and sterilize the roller then I don't apply anything immediately after. I replace the roller after a couple uses but now I think I will buy a new one after 1 use. Once I did experience an area of skin on my cheek bone had did something unusual. A couple days after I had micro needled, it looked like I had a darker area of skin, or almost dirt like but it did not hurt at all. It wouldn't rub off until a few days later. I suppose it was dead skin. I've learned where to use it and what my skin can tolerate .
I'm so glad you addressed this, Dr.Dray. So many women whom I admire & otherwise respect discuss this on their channels. A generic disclaimer of 'do your own research' is not enough to dissuade someone from possible harm. This *really* bothers me. I hear way too much disinformation as it is, sigh. A microneedling device in the hands of a *medical professional* is an entirely different thing. Keep talking! Some of us are paying attention! Blessings! Jackie in NY state
Ibelieveinangels yesido All the mis-advice and deceptive, anecdotal "evidence" really bothers me too! Some of the practices and products RUclipsrs are touting as miracles are positively dangerous and these are people with no medical training and who typically do not even research ingredients.
You don't need to be a medical professional to do microneedling if you practice proper hygenic protocols and do some actual research. There is no logical reason why you'd need 6+ years of medical school to do such a simple treatment. It's an absolute waste of money and a gift to dermatologists to pay $200 for them to do literally the same thing you can do at home. But of course, people are stupid, that's why they recommend not doing this at home. There are many ways in which you can screw this up, if you're careless.
@@sh0werp0wer I agree fully. Also, I trust myself way more than a medical professional. I say this because the third leading cause of death in the US is due to medical errors. And, I find that in my own home and work area when doing these treatments, I can control how clean and sanitary everything is - and I am extremely cautious about cleanliness.
I feel like dermarolling at home did absolutely nothing for my face! nothing for melasma, my pores just look huge.... now for stretch marks... it has improved them but also I think it may have stimulated hair growth in weird places. Ugh! Wish my pores would just go away! Haha
Did you use the right type of derma roller ? Look up Gin Amber, that lovey lady has done tons and tons of research and has shown that 99% of the derma rollers our there are fake and would do more harm than good. So she created her own brand !
I bought an At Home Micro-needle Roller, but now I’m scared to use it lol. I have sensitive skin, and am too scared that with my horrid luck it would fester and would need to go to the Dr and they’d scold me and ask “why would you do something like this and NOT know or understand what you’re doing!?”
And what terrifies me is if something bad happened to my skin that it would be irreversible. Because of trying some new and NOT knowing much if not anything about what I’m doing.
I have a question if possible. I've noticed you've mentioned cleansers containing salicylic acid. I was under the impression that these were pointless as the product is being washed away within seconds so the active doesn't have time to do its thing. Would love to know your take on this. Thank you for your wonderful videos.
i discuss that at length in my face wash ingredient video...but no, sa washes are not pointless and we have data to show they are effective
Sara Duval when the two youtubers you trust the most meet each other, that’s epic👏👏
My favorite beauty guru. :)
I know Paula B. from Paula's Choice said the cleansers were pointless. I'm so glad I learned differently from Dr. Dray.
Cheesing as if I am meeting Wayne Goss in person lol wow he watches your vids!!!!! ;)
I do agree that microneedling can help mild and early acne scars, however it will not improve severe rolling, ice pick or even moderate tethered scars. Still, its an entry level treatment that is standard protocol driven, that is affordable for most patients. Dr Davin Lim
What about festoons?
It gave me a permanent tethered scar on my face actually.
@@LVishere on your eyebags?
Love Moore o m g! I'm sorry that happened. 😞😢 I was really about to start with this and hoping it would help mine . Even fractional laser didn't my scars. Did you do it yourself or you. you go somewhere? I'm so curious how it made it worse.
Dr Davin Lim how about melasma?
Love your wealth of information. Nice to see a professional talking about skincare and not some random person who has no idea what they are talking about.
I love that you speak clear, perfect for 1.5x speed! Thank you!
I’m an esthetician and micro needling on myself and my clients helps to maintain okay skin condition, it’s not like Botox which makes any wrinkles visibly go away, but it helps to keep the wrinkles less visible if they are deep or average. Kinda keeps you away from Botox for a while unless your preference is cardinal procedures
For those thinking about receiving microneedling treatment, it really does what you hope it will. I had dozens of acne scars on my face to the point where I couldn't grow facial hair. Every treatment I got, I saw more little hairs popping up and now most of them are gone. It doesn't happen overnight though. It takes a few months of continuous treatment but it's certainly worth the money and time.
I agreed. It takes time. Severe result will shown after 6month or up to 1 year. The key is consistency
Does it last long term or do you have to keep getting treatments? Looks like treatments here are around $750 per session
I'm so glad I read this i am going tomorrow and I'm so so nervous
@@AbstractMindsThinkAlike you'll want at least 3 treatments 1 won't make much of a change
@Hassan Khurshid yes that's what my doctor has said
For any latinos out there thinking of getting microneedling. I recently got my third session done and it really does help with acne scars. It’s slightly painful but nothing you won’t be able to stand. It honestly depends how you take care of your skin afterwards. I usually don’t wash my face for up to 6 hours after i get it done and when i do i wash it with cetaphyl gentle soap, apply hyaluronic acid and a gentle face cream.
Hey Jessica, I'd like to get your feedback. What is your skin type and skin tone? What changes have you seen in your skin? Has it helped with scar reduction?
Is it permanent ?
What does that have to do with being latino though
May you share a feedback on how your skin condition is !
Latino is not a skin type so whatever worked for you has nothing to do with a cultural group. Latin people can be gingers or black.. literally all skin types.
Thank God, finally someone who knows what they are talking about and backing it up with research. Love it. Subbed.
Thanks for watching!
Dr. Dray is like a walking encyclopedia of skincare !
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I LOVE YOU! You remind me of my my late son's pediatric gastroenterologist Dr. Toba Weinstein. My son since passed, so watching you also bring's back those great memories in a odd kinda way.
Im sorry for your loss.
been dermarolling for a year now and my face improves a lot, no more acne scars and not visible wrinkles.
Do you do it at home or in a medical office?
ljay tajelpo i’ve been doing it at home
What do you actually apply after and before every session?
Thank you I've just bought mine and been doing some research
ljay tajelpo There’s a lot of instructions on youtube about dermarolling. It’s what you apply after, I’ve been using rosehip oil after dermarolling to help my inflamation and redness
Thank you Dr. Dray, you always set me straight, these beauty you tubers can be very dangerous with their uneducated statements and recomendations!
I am so grateful that Dr. Dray provides these information to us in youtube for free. It's basically like having a free dermatologist consultation.
Pretty much the only skin channel I trust..
I agree that caution is best.
I think micro needling is great in moderation. Light pressure. Clean the instrument and the face. Avoid topical solutions.
The injuries are slight and allow the skin to breathe.
In my opinion, some of these masks and facial cleansers are even more abrasive to the skin than derma rolling.
Some of us have terrible acne scars that we have to look at every day and people just want to feel normal.
Benjamin Knotts true that. When I was a teen I used to use an apricot seed scrub or something like that and it was a abrasive as heck.
With all the hype over using dermarollers on YT, I am really glad that you addressed this from a clinical perspective. Thank you so much for all this information.. Sue
Thanks Ms Sue!
doleg lmao
doleg and you don’t have to spell ‘you’ like ‘u’ but we all do things our own way. No need to be rude. Let Sue sign off however she wants.
Have some damn respect for your elders.
doleg Why is a fetus watching this video? Wtf are you even doing here on RUclips. Go to bed disrespectful little jerk. Also learn how to spell before making fun of strangers.
You are a breath of fresh air ! I am suffering from hair loss, and this is been going on for a number of years now. I am postmenopausal and I thought it was due to my hormones so I went to see an endocrinologist to check my hormones out, and she told me to go home and take biotin supplements. And so I went to my gynecologist and she put me on estrogen supplements via a patch twice a week. It's at a relatively low dose but it helps stop the hot flashes, and she told me I could take this patch until I'm 65 years old. I am 59 now. My hair grows but it has too much shed or Fallout and I am getting link so. I don't care to have long hair I just wanted to stop shedding. I am going to pay attention to your videos, as you're the first dermatologist I have seen online in any capacity that has been so open and willing to share. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much Ms Sherrie and I am glad to hear you enjoy the videos :)
Dr Dray is there a hair loss product that you would
Sorry is there a hair loss product that you would recommend for postmenopausal women who are taking low-dose estrogen supplements!? Thank you so much if your answer and I was so glad to see you reply to my my comment yesterday!
Thank you Dr Dray! You're my number one source of information before I search any thing related to dermatology. I have also seen a lot of improvement on my skin and I'm no longer stressed about it.
This has done wonders for my acne scars. Now I'm not saying overnight but over the last year of micro needling well.. I'm able to to without makeup go around my house without being terribly uncomfortable and embarrassed. I'm going to continue for this next year more regularly and I hope it continues to do what it's done previously
Yeah since making this video microneedling continues to yield good results for acne scars when done in office. I still caution against that at home devices, however, as we do see problems with these and they are not calibrated well often
@@DrDrayzday I completely understand your stance on caution when done at home. But I do keep my tools clean and away from any of my other tools that I use for my face. And I before and after use every time disinfect the tool and start with a very very clean face. Thanks so much for actually responding to my little nothing comment. So rare these days that people take time out of there busy lives for one another. Thanks again Doc'
Hi, is it okay for me to use aloe Vera gel with vitamin E as a moisturiser after a sessions of micro needling?
@@shadowdawnl6930 i think your a Babe 💓 any updates on your results?
@@rahkielsingh6028 it is going very well. Skin is still showing better and better results as I continue. Thanks for the compliment:)
I love the fact, that you back up your statements with research. many thanks for all the info.
Im naturally tan, ethnic skin and suffer from very light acne scaring and some darker melasma hyperpigmentation on my cheeks. I've done 4 micro needling sessions at home (once a week) for a month and noticed an improvement. It's been months since my last session. I noticed no new melasma spots formed since. One more session should solve it. If you do it at home DO YOUR RESEACH! DO NOT SKIMP ON SANITATION! TAKE BIG PRECAUTIONS! It's not for those who can't dedicate a week of going bare face and taking extra caution with anything they come in contact with.
Once a week seems excessive but glad it’s working for ya
Dr. Dray, love to hear you speak of the physiology of derma rolling. I've been using it on my lips for over two years, with great success. I'm a registered nurse, and feel comfortable doing it at home. You are very generous to share your knowledge with us. Many blessings...MaryEllen
Thanks!
MaryEllen After 60 m
MaryEllen After 60 how often you do it on lips
Ana, I use the o.5mm on my lips once a week.
MaryEllen After 60 what do you apply after rolling your lips?
I was just about to buy microneedling device but had to check with you first. Thank you for the info. It helped a lot and you saved me $200 😄
In case anyone in the comments is curious- I've gotten microneedling done by my Board Certified dermatology 4 times now. She uses the Skin Pen (the only FDA cleared microneedling device). It has helped my scars and I'm still planning on getting 2 more sessions. It is NOT a quick fix and the results aren't instant, but it has worked for me over time.
Dermatologist*
Micro needling helped me get rid of my severe acne scars. It was my first in-office procedure to tackle my acne scars.. since then, I’ve tried peels and lasers. I get compliments on my skin now and people don’t believe that my skin used to be horrible.
How do you space them out? I've signed up for 3 micro needling sessions and 8 lpl sessions... how can get things done simultaneously?
Which procedure would you say helped you the most with severe acne scars (atrophic)? Thanks in adv!
Thank you for this, I'm thankful that you shed some light on the use of the vitamin C serum during micro needling procedures.
i am more confident now because of microneedling....no more acne scar 😍😊
How many sessions did you need to achieve this result ?
@@ChroniclesOfUli 7session 😊
How much for each session ?
@@noiet9808 here in Philippines only $20.53 per session
@@seiranaguilar1845 omg here is like 800 for one session
I had my first micro needling session. Honestly, I had amazing results! I can't even imagine how great my skin will after after a few more treatments
Maria Gentles have you had further sessions? How are things now?
Is it painful?
may I ask what those results are exactly?
I find that my tone appears more balanced, my skin brightens, wrinkles are less defined, overall my face seems more alive and less drawn out. I also began to nano needle vitamin C and alternate with kiwi seed oil, which helps to maintain a super healthy and vibrant glow. I just turned 49 and I get mistaken for being in my 30's all the time
Early 30's at that!
I've had 3 sessions. It's gradual healing at best which makes me question if there's any point, especially since it costs 4 figures. It's safe as long as you're in good hands. It doesn't hurt and i don't think you even need numbing cream. The skin above the upper lip is sensitive, so if it's still numb the following day, don't worry. I'd say take a week off and stay home to reduce risk of these newly created tiny holes becoming infected. Don't workout and try not to sweat, so perhaps consider undergoing this treatment in the colder months.
Hence why your not getting results.
Read this www.oumere.com/blogs/news/how-dermarolling-causes-collagen-breakdown-premature-aging-and-possibly-cancer
@@lanadelrey3821 The dermatologist here is saying serums don't work. I think allowing the body to heal on its own is the best thing, even if it takes a few years for the scars to fade 70-80%.
I sell home use dermarollers, I have to agree this is small and can be very dangerous device if people don't know how to use, however I provide tons of videos educating my customers and subscribers how to use it and with all proven studies, I'm esthetician with 11 years of experience, never had disappointed client or subscriber, rollers might be not for everybody and people might not see results, but I sold thousands of rollers and got not even one negative review or comment that damaged the skin. Also it is very IMPORTANT to know where you are buying your device, if it has medical CE, how it is made, metal wheels which has no benefits or real individual needles. Again I have tons of information about dermarolling on my channel. I highly believe it's the best skin care home use device to improve the skin, I don't love because I sell it, I sell it because I love it and I have never gotten negative comment from my customers, patients or subscribers.
I agree. As long as you maintain proper hygienic protocols there is no logical reason as to why this would be significantly safer in a dermatologists office than at home. You don't need 6+ years of medical school to be able to roll a dermaroller back and forth.
But a lot of people are simply stupid, so I don't think many dermatologists will condone at home rolling with good conscience because someone will probably mess something up.
On top of that, why would they recommend doing a procedure for free at home, when *they're* the ones making $200 from doing it in their office? They have every incentive to advice you to get this done professionally - because they're the ones getting paid to do with professionally.
I don't think the risks of doing this at home are significantly higher than doing it at an office. The treatments at offices tend to be more aggressive in an attempt to produce more drastic results, which also gives higher risks.
I honestly trust myself more with microneedling than I trust a derm. But mostly because a derm ruining my face with lasers is the reason why I'm doing this in the first place.
Gin Amber, I was uncertain about using a dermaroller on my face and started to look into it. I watch several beauty vloggers, several who have chimed in here, and have seen their success. So, when I discovered your videos, I feel even more educated and assured that I can do this myself.
exactly :)
Thank you dear :)
Thank you, hope you are going to enjoy, just be patient :)
Thank you - as a skin and beauty therapist I found your video extremely helpful and very informative.
Microneedling just scares me because of hyperpigmentation and possibility of infection.
agree
Birgit Roth I wouldn’t just wipe it down, but submerge in isopropyl alcohol and leave for 20 mins. ( before and after). Think if it as a surgical instrument. Although after Dr Gray’s thoughts I think I will throw mine out.
i submerge it in ethyl and isoprobyl alcohol diluted (w/ water to make it more potent actually) for 24 hours everytime u use it. ive had no problems
Margie Medina I’ve suffered from hyper pigmentation for years I’ve tried everything thing retin a worked for a while but stopped at the strongest strength! This saved my skin and at 30 I look 23 because it plumps the skin it changed my life there are different needle lengths for at home nothing over 0.3 I say go for it ! Btw there is a snail bee essesnce that I love to use in combo !
@@harmoneypeters 0.3 meddle doesn't reach the dermis to help with hyperpigmentation or introduction of collagen production. Usually, you'll need 0.5 nothing more to be safe but you also have to make sure you sterilised your derma roller. If you can tolerate the pricking.
FINALLY someone qualified talking about these things. Thank you :)
Thanks for watching!
I started researching different skin procedures including microneedling, chemical peels, red-light treatment, and fraxel laser. I decided to go with the fraxel even though it's kinda expensive and requires one week of downtime. Honestly this is the best decision I have ever made concerning my skin. After two fraxel procedures were done one month apart, my skin is as clear and perfect as I hoped it would he. All my sun damage, brown spots, AKs, even fine lines are gone. My skin was a mess and now it looks beautiful. I hope this helps someone decide.
This is one of my highly trusted resources for skincare. Doc knows what she is talking about. I somehow wasn’t subscribed anymore and am so excited to have come across this channel again. Doc should legit have her own skincare line. I would be a customer for life but I guess I’ll just settle for videos.
Before I knew I had rosacea I tried microneedling from a highly reputable place. Totally destroyed my skins moisture barrier and made it so much worse :( I feel like that’s what took my sensitive skin to a whole other level and I’ve been working for 2+ years trying to get it back to a more calm level even though I know the redness and rosacea has no cure :-/
Slugging with Vaseline every night has cured my rosacea… I still have old marks from it
But never flushes or flares anymore
My skin has been amazing since slugging
Just watched this, got up and got my Dermaroller and put it in the garbage. I had used it a few times but was always afraid. Thank you so much for so much information! You are so wonderful!!
Hi!
I'm treating melasma whit microneedling, and I see difference.
I'm doing a session 3w/3 weeks, two until now. I use a Eucerin cream the days after, and Neostrata after that one.
I note difference. I think one or two sessions more and it's finished.
I note improvement in wrinkles between brows, too.
I'm 44 years and I'm doing the treatment whit a stetician (sorry, I'm portuguese, so I don't know some words... 😎).
It's winter now, but I still use sunscreen.
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Carmen, what size of needles you used, and what do you mean 3/3 weeks.thank you, I have melasma to and want try microneedling to see if works for me. Have blessed day😊
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Well, I don't know. The stetician said that is a new method, but not the size.
And now I stopped because Portugal is at home again, because of the pandemia...
I had 3 sessions until now, and I seed differences.
Sorry I can't help you...
As soon as I saw it was you I gave a thumbs up immediately as I saw 1 where you walked into a CVS or Walgreens & critiqued seversl products. You're my fave! Thanks, Julie
Dr. Dray, Your skin is looking particularly radiant today! Have been watching you daily since discovering your channel a month or so ago, and after following your recommendations on simple skin care routines, my skin has never looked better. I keep watching your number of subscribers grow daily. You'll be at 100k before you know it! I greatly appreciate the time you take to make make these informative videos as well as your fun vlogs, especially the ones with your mother!
Thanks! Hope you are having a great week
1.7M now 🤣
I love this comment showing Dr. Dray was approaching 100K followers. Today she has more than 2M! 7 years of daily uploads. It's an unbelievable accomplishment for which I am grateful.
Derma rolling, started it in combination with cera ve skincare. Best Decision everrr
It did wonders for my cheek area. I saw a big difference. I don’t feel I need it anymore.
It did wonders for what in your cheek area??? acne, firmness, or saggingness???
There is such a contrast between this basic, non-flashy presentation packed full of relevant and unbiased facts and data, and everyone else in the skincare industry with something to sell.
I'm also watching this in 2020, and wondering WHY DON'T WE LISTEN TO DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS!?
Yeah I cant believe all the ppl in the other videos insulting her in the comments just because they didn't like what she said about the procedure being done at home and how dangerous that is like they went to several years of medical school and residency to be a specialist 🙄 ppl only like medicine and science when its convenient or affirms some habit they have.
Goodness! I was doing at home microneedling with vitamin C serum for deep chicken pox scars from my childhood. I stopped because I wasn't seening much improvement but just a little. You really made me want to rethink this. I am still interested in microneedling but the products they provide are horribly inadequate compared to the procdure you described.
I had perioral dermatitis that was well treated and completely inactive and not visible or irritated at all. One treatment of micro needling and it was in FULL FORCE! I would NOT recommend for anyone to try micro needling near your mouth if you have had perioral dermatitis in the past. I was SO embarrassed and felt like a lizard for three weeks afterward.
Oh my Dr. Dray....I am very very glad I saw this video. I was just going to order my roller....I was nervous because I am 63 and because I am concerned about diabetes and infection. I think what I will do is have it professionally done, if at all. I don't like the idea of derma-rolling and then putting makeup on afterward. Thank you for all you do Dr. Dray xxo Sues
Glad to hear this was helpful :)
Susan (LIttle Poet), I am going to watch this video again, there was SO MUCH INFO in it!! I am quite certain Dr. Dray said to not wear any makeup for TWO WEEKS following dermarolling. Wow, scary!!!
Of course dermatologists are going to advice you to get it done profesionally - they're the ones getting paid to do it profesionally.
I also understand why no dermatologist would go out and condone doing this at home - because a lot of people are just simply stupid.
The fact is that as long as you follow the exact same protocols as they would in an office, it's absolutely absurd to pay $200 for literally the same treatment you can get at home.
The main problem with doing this at home is keeping a sterile environment, but as long as you ensure that your equipment is unused and properly sterilised with alcohol, as well as thoroughly cleaning your face, rinsing it in water and letting it airdry, you're not being any less sterile than a dermatologist would.
In other words, as long as you're not a moron, you should be perfectly capable of doing this at home.
I had my face ruined by a dermatologist who basically experimented with my face with a new laser he had no idea how to use, and used for the wrong indication.
I'm now actually fixing my face, myself, with microneedling, that was ruined *by a dermatologist* - and I've seen *many* dermatologists prior to this disaster and they've all known *less* about hyperpigmentation than I have.
Dr. Dray here seems knowledgeable and generally interested in her field, but I'm sorry to say that the average dermatologist, from my experience, is not someone I would trust my face with anymore than I would trust myself.
At this point I feel much safer doing this myself than in the hands of some heavy-handed dermatologist looking to make a few quick bucks.
That's also why many dermatologists pretend that lasers are the best treatment for pretty much anything, even though microneedling and relatively cheap topical treatments often times are equally effective without the risk. It's because they've spent loads of money on these lasers and they want a return on their investment.
You need to take *their* incentive into account - the incentive of most dermatologists is first of all just to make money. Why on earth would they advice you to do something they can make money from, at home for free, when it's arguably "less safe" to do it at home? The only person who has solely your own health as an incentive is *you*.
Sorry, that's just my two cents.
I totally agree with you on lasers - almost everyone who has had laser treatment is unsatisfied, and that's the best case scenario, worst case, people are left with permanent discoloration, texture changes, etc. I did just want to point out that Dr. Davin Lim does condone at home microneedling with shorter length needles, he says it's a good adjunct therapy to having professional skin remodeling with a dermatologist.
Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen alcohol does not sterilize, it sanitizes which is the lowest level of killing germs something sterile has been sanitized, disinfected, and then sterilized with a UV light or extreme heat. Alcohol has a similar level of cleanliness to soap and water
Please do a video dedicated to stretch marks and reducing their appearance! Great videos, thank you! :)
Thanks! Look out for it ;)
Dr Dray Patiently waiting 🙇🏽♀️
"I would not recommend for this to be done at home"....... but I'm poor Dr.Dray lol
that is not a reason to scar your skin
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Sara Zaldana girl it is not rocket science to use. Of course she’ll say that she’s a Dermatologist, lol. go snag you one at Marshall’s that’s where i got mine! so easy and effective
@@shannonliim Yep, my thoughts too. I purchased Mine at Ulta. In fact just did a light touch, on very clean skin. Results are good.
Michelle R Jackson my dermatologist said it was fine if done correctly. ❤️💛💙
Microneedling was used in 1950, in Germany, with pediatric patient who had severe burns. The name was Dermaroller and it has a patent on it ,so it’´s nothing very new, it has longer history than 1994…..
So glad I found this video! Was about to order a dermaroller, but hesitated because of my history of post-acne hyperpigmentation, diabetes, plus the fact that I'm a cheloid machine. Your video really opened my eyes. Thanks so much!
Thanks!
I really appreciate your channel and the quality information you provide. I really appreciate the fact you aren't using gimmicks and bad science, just scientific information to give sound answers to patients seeking cosmetic procedures. I love it.
Thanks doc. Sounds like you did a considerable amount of research on this and gave us the bottom line on the positives and negatives. I so appreciate your time and long studied knowledge. Rita :)
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I have deep boxcar and ice pick scars on my cheeks left over from when I had acne as a teen. I've been using a 1.5mm roller for only 2 weeks every 3 days and I've already seen a gigantic improvement.
Not sure if it will completely remove the scars but they are noticeably less deep and more even now. The fact that a $15 tool is giving me any kind of results is astounding.
Omg, thank you!!! I just purchased one n did it for the first time very lightly, no blood but my face tingled. I will definitely not do it again. Gracias!!!
I would like toTHANK YOU for CARING so MUCH about ALL people (not just ur patients), that u give ur personal time to educate us ALL! Many people CAN'T afford to go see a Dermatologist to ask &/or learn about the many topics/info which you have so GRACIOUSLY provided! Once again,, from another health care provider who also cares, I sincerely APPRECIATE ur COMPASSION, EFFORTS, & TIME! Bless YOU!
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THANK YOU FOR SAYING 1994 was not long ago! It makes me feel less old! Haha. My niece and nephew LOVE to let me know that I’m “ancient” lol
Lauren Fisher there’s a difference between being born in 1994 (25-26) and something being 24-25 years old.
@I Was Here you sound stupid saying that. Age is about perspective most of the time, sure, in terms of numbers 30 is close to old age considering the average life expectancy for people is between 70 and 80 , but 30 isnt even the peak 😂 you must be in your early 20's to believe that.
I Was Here well I was born in 1996 so I must be old too 😂 I just turned 24
I Was Here there are a bunch of 30 years old that do not look saggy 😂 my sister looks bomb at 30 no wrinkles clear skin so I honestly think it’s genetic people who sag at 30 have horrible genetics
I Was Here salty. Lol
Thank you so much for your cautionary advice! I was about to buy a home-roller but I'd rather not risk it! I'll stick to my retin-A.
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Has retin-a helped you in acne scars over time?
Thank You Doctor for your very informative video on microneedling.
Had my first dermapen at a clinic in Sydney and noticed a difference
in the mirror at the checkout. I’m going back for my next appointment
in 4 weeks. I was shown a photo of a man with acne scars (before and after).
There was a noticeable difference where the skin had actually rejuvenated all
that scar tissue into a new complexion. I just hope it will clear my red blemishes
and maybe even a few wrinkles. I had Fractional resurfacing about a year ago
and got rid of my sunspots. Nice video!
Hey Glenn, what chsnges have you noticed about your skin since then? Did dermarolling/dermapen work to reduce your scarring?
Dr. Dray, What a wonderful service you are providing and maybe it's just me, but I think you could really benefit from a voice coach. A coach could help you eliminate the nasal twang, and sudden drops in pitch as well as the teenage "up talk" at the end of a sentence. I say this with nothing but goodwill intended.
Your voice is fine!!
This is an honest informative video on micro needling. We have only one face. Be sure to choose your at home procedures wisely. Thanks.
Fab video! So many are dermarolling at home but there are so many risks!
Please do a video about bruising, capillaries & varicose veins!
:)
I already have those
I've had numerous micro needling procedures to help with some nasty scars leftover from severe teenage cystic acne. I originally tried it as an alternative to lasers - since I'm a darker ethnic person. I've seen great results in the overall texture of my skin. And thanks to your videos, I've stopped using all those products that were irritating my face to no end! Now, my skincare routine is simple and fragrance free and I actually reapply sunscreen. I've given up on anti-aging products....as I realize they're a total gimmick - no one can stop aging.
What type of scars was it effective on? Rolling, PIH? Were they cystic acne scars? I'm considering it but not sure it works on superficial scars or deeper ones as well.
they were scars from cystic acne that look like little keloid scars. My face isn't perfectly smooth - but there has been considerable improvement. And, since the scars are close to 30 years old, I'm very pleased that my face has become smoother and the overall texture of my skin is actually soft for the first time in my life. @@rutube007
Can you tell me which size needle you use please?
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marnie b how much did it cost?
It’s very popular on You Tube, but with my sensitive skin, I decided against it. I didn’t realize it could cause permanent damage. Yikes! Thanks for the great info.
yeah there are risks to consider for sure
Soo rude!!! Many people tried much worse things, if you knew everything there is to know you wouldn’t be on here🙄
@@Luv4USA24 Where was she rude in her comment? It's more likely that you're oversensitive.
I was told to avoid an ice pack and also I heard only 72 hours of no makeup, but this is helpful information as well!
I have people in my life pushing me to dermaroll at home, like really pushing me to the point of saying I’m being dramatic and overly cautious. But I won’t budge. If I ever do decide to get micro-needling done on my face, which I’m not sure if I even should as I’m likely a Type 4 on the Fitzpatrick Scale, I would have to consult a bunch of dermatologists first and see what they recommend. If they do recommend it, I would insist on knowing how many micro-needling procedures they have performed and what their success rate is.
I couldn’t imagine blindly taking such a risk of messing up your face, intentionally. Save up and get it done by a professional because if your DIY dermarolling goes wrong you’ll end up paying waaaay more!
Thank you once again Dr Dray for being the voice of reason on this platform. Most videos on YT overhype current trendy products, without thinking of the possible, very real adverse effects that can occur. I very much appreciate, as many others here do, your candid educational videos. Well done! Thank you!
Thanks!
I know this is off topic, but I'd love for you to do a video about the DermaWand. Thanks!!
Deborah Tansey Same!!
Foreign body graniloma can be a side effect of micro needling, if Vitamin C serum is put on the skin immediately after micro needling. Do not do microneedling at home it can predispose you to Infection. However it can help with acne scarring. But should be done in a doctor’s office. Avoid microneedling if you have herpes cold sores or if you have a sunburn. Thank you Dr. Dray. 👍🏻🌹
Long time ago a dermatologist gave Cerave at that time I didn't think it worked, because it caused me break outs. I didn't know it was cleaning from the inside. I was using Jan Miri, now that caused me break outs as well. But in this case I can feel the balls inside my skin. I decided to not spend more money on expensive products. I saw your video about Cerave, so I decided to give it a try. My skin is fabulous now. My skin has change now that I am older from normal to kind of oily. So I used the SA Cerave only when I have some break outs and it works fantastic. So Thank you very much.
I’m so glad I decided to watch this video. It seems that micro needling is the latest trend as an anti-aging treatment. But I’m reluctant to try that. For some reason I don’t think that injuring your skin is necessarily a good thing.
I just started topical Co Q10 and was not expecting much but it did give me some nice glow after a few applications. Happy about this 😊
My advice is to stay far away from this! I tried it for several months and honestly saw no improvement in wrinkles. But the worst thing is I followed every sterilization protocol and ended up in the hospital with one of the worst cases of cellulitis the doctors at the hospital had ever seen. Not only was the pain and loss of work when you are self-employed bad enough but not having insurance only added to the mess. Leave this one to the professionals.
OMG this terrifies me! Cellulitis is dangerous. I am so sorry to hear you went through this, and thank you for sharing your experience here.
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That must’ve been so painful and scary. So sorry you had to experience that. Thanks for sharing. You might’ve saved me and others from having the same or worse experience.
Did you do it yourself at home or did you get it done by a dermatologist in a clinic?
Very timely video for me. I have been interested in at home micro- needling with the hope that it would stimulate collagen production and improve my pore size on my nose which has increased in the last couple of years (I'm 43), I find it quite unsightly. The Derma roller kits can be quite expensive, I've had my eye on one which also includes the necessary cleaner for the roller to keep things sanitary. I think on balance though, I might be better giving this a miss. Back to the drawing board on my pores! Thanks for this Dr Dray, great video as always.
glad to hear you found it helpful
Wow! You voice is soooo STRIDENT!!!
Thank you for all the information you put on RUclips. I’m aging so I looked on RUclips to see what others are doing to stay youthful looking. I looked at derma rolling but decided against it because I’m prone to infection. I have been hospitalized 2X with sepsis due to viral illness’s. I’ve been binge watching you for the last week!
I hope you are well Ms Corey, that is a very scary thing to go through, let alone two times!!
I would love to hear your views on collagen supplements!
Yes!!
Sarahnotsayruh me too
Yes!
Me, too!
I can say from personal experience they’ve helped a lot !!!
That's v helpful info about the foreign body granuloma if use VIT C as lots of RUclipsrs say use VIT C with dermaroller
What would you suggest applying after the procedure?
SingingMyBlue
I heard don’t use vitamin C
Use hyaluronic acid serum during ( apply each section at a time so the derma pen slides) & then nothing else for 24 hours. Then proceed with regular skin regimen.
This is what I do ( twice so far) with good results.
13:32 in- I have struggled with facial issues after a fourth Microneedling treatment. The first three were great and indeed improved my skin tremendously. The fourth , about 5-7 days in I started to have itching and looked to be having some type of allergic reaction. I was put on Doxy with no serious improvements. My case was referred to a dermatologist, I seen a PA who diagnosed me with Rosacea, I had amazing even skin beforehand. I believe this you mentioned in the video has become a complication as a result of microneedling, do you have any advice. Many doctors I see are not aware of these case studies of these particular complications.
Did it improve?
did you figure out a treatment
I'm not telling people they should do this at home but if you do please use disinfectant. Disinfect the skin before and after, disinfect the derma roller/stamp before and after! Don't put anything in an open wound that isn't 100% sterile (which most of your cosmetics aren't)! Acne scars suck but skin infections suck worse!
So I derma roll at home and the steps I do is
1.I wash my face
2.I use a toner to clean my face
3. I use my derma roller ( but I have cleaned it with alcohol a day before and waited for it to dry , and I didn’t put it in an very open place where any fibers can come in I put it in its container that it came with and I also cleaned my container)
4. After I use the derma roller I put my oils on and my vitamin oils also
5. Then I use ice cubes on my face to calm it down and close my face pores
Soooooo the question is am I doing it the right way ?? ( plus I do not do it every day ) and my needle size is 0.25 mm .
“So here’s what you need to know about micro-needling..... *final 30 seconds of video* .....I ABSOLUTELY advise against getting one of these and using it.”
I had to speed up the video at 1.5x and skip alot
Ya she's saying don't use it at home...... She's not saying you shouldn't go get it done at a dermatologist's office. It's a very beneficial procedure if done by a PROFESSIONAL
@@user-ed8me9fi2l how is a professional going to do it differently than you can do it yourself? It doesn't seem complicated.
@@mygirldarby I think there’s a huge difference between home and professional.
Professional:
1. They have light anesthesia, it will bleed.
2. It is poking motion. Evenly done.
At home:
1. Without anesthesia, it hurt. If done lightly, it won’t get the desire depth.
2. Hard to make it even when using poking motion. With the roller (what I have), it will create slice instead of hole. Easier to cover the face though.
I think it should only be done professionally.
@@mygirldarby a) their tools are different, some clinics even use radio frequency microneedling machines.
B) a professional knows the required depth and patterns for your specific skin concerns, regular people at home don’t.
I can't afford to go get regular professional treatments, but I can learn how to do this properly at home. I feel like the "Don't try this at home" warning is for people who refuse to put in 10-20 hours into learning how to do it properly. The professional won't be getting more training than this themselves before they get hands-on with the procedure.
Question! What about people who are keloid prone? Can they do micro needling or are they at risk of developing micro keloids? Thank you
Thank you for this information. I recently purchased a derma roller, but haven't used it yet. I'm going to send it back.
Lol, big mistake. Dr. Dray is the only dermatologist that has recommended not doing this. Many other dermatologists in youtube are ok with this as long as you do so responsibly, educated, and carefully. I've been derma rolling for two years. I buy high quality rollers with surgical steel, never had an issue because I educated myself on what the correct way of rolling and pressure is. If you buy a 0.5 roller you're very likely to not experience issues.... unless you're rolling on acne and keloid scars. It's common sense stuff.
After MicroNeedling I only use Hyaluronic Acid for 2 to 3 days to help with the dryness and tightness of the skin. As I don’t want to apply other products like active serums/creams etc and risk infection (at least HA is produced in our body)... I keep out of the sun. No makeup, no sunscreen for 2days, change for a clean fresh pillow case and towel day of MicroNeedling. I keep it clean and simple. I have a dog and keep him away from my face for a few days.
I'm glad I came across this video. I've been curious about this microneedling that can be done at home. You have helped a lot of people with this info. I'm sure.
You are an oasis in RUclips information jungle. Thanks for stating adverse reaction. I recently started Derma Rolling at home. I was not sure what to do after the rolling. One said she doesn't do anything after rolling because of letting it work itself. I said, ok, I agree with that but all others say apply Vitamin C, or HA, or Matrixyl,,,,?? Problem with doing nothing is making skin dry, so I apply one of those three after 10 minutes. So far it looks ok, I'm only using 0.25 and 0.5 mm so either way it should be fine.
Of course I would see this video after my first kit just shipped......great....
Hi! May we ask what your outcome's been? Thx
Thank you dr. For all the tips and the effort you make to help us understanding before starting any pressure.
Really appreciate your expert comments on this subject. It seems there are too many pitfalls in this product and you explained many of them. Best wishes.
it worries me....holds promise for somethings though
Awwww I miss you
I feel like I spend so much money on retinoids and SA and other anti aging topical products...which are pretty futile compared to these procedures? Should I save up for microneedling > topical serums?
Thank YOU Dr. Dray!!! I was totally on the fence about this after seeing many RUclipsrs touting the advantages of dermarolling at home. I am OFF the fence now and RUNNING in the other direction. Thanks again!!!
Keep looking UP!!!
:)
You can do microneedling at home perfectly fine if you just use your brain. Use pens/stamp and not a roller - practice proper hygienic protocol, and there's no logical reason as to why you'd pay $200 to have someone do the exact same treatment. But hey, it's your money. :)
I literally got buccal cellulitis from getting microneedled I’d done it multiple times no issue until the last one. It was not worth the stress of wondering if id become deformed from any scarring. Thank god its cleared up and is ok but definitely not again
Oh no that sounds awful! Can I ask why did that happen the last time you got it done? What was done differently and was it done by the same dermatologist?
My son had a pyogenic granuloma growth on his forehead, right between his eye brows, after he had a pimple and picked at it. It was the craziest thing I'd ever seen at the time. It was big, about the size of a marble and it would fall off when he would take a shower or accidently rubbed it and the wound would bleed so much. It looked like a piece of raw hamburger meat. I felt so bad for him. It took a month before we could get him to a Dr. to cauterize it so it wouldn't keep growing back. I'm still not sure what caused it to grow back. The doctor said something about blood vessels. It was so big and the Dr said he'd never seen one get so big. They weighed and measured it and took pics for research.
Unfortunately I can't afford to have microneedling sessions professionally done so I take the risk myself. I use a .25 derma-roller , once or 2x a month. I clean my face well and sterilize the roller then I don't apply anything immediately after. I replace the roller after a couple uses but now I think I will buy a new one after 1 use. Once I did experience an area of skin on my cheek bone had did something unusual. A couple days after I had micro needled, it looked like I had a darker area of skin, or almost dirt like but it did not hurt at all. It wouldn't rub off until a few days later. I suppose it was dead skin. I've learned where to use it and what my skin can tolerate
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I'm so glad you addressed this, Dr.Dray. So many women whom I admire & otherwise respect discuss this on their channels. A generic disclaimer of 'do your own research' is not enough to dissuade someone from possible harm. This *really* bothers me. I hear way too much disinformation as it is, sigh. A microneedling device in the hands of a *medical professional* is an entirely different thing. Keep talking! Some of us are paying attention! Blessings! Jackie in NY state
Thanks Ms Jackie! Hope your Monday is going well
Ibelieveinangels yesido All the mis-advice and deceptive, anecdotal "evidence" really bothers me too! Some of the practices and products RUclipsrs are touting as miracles are positively dangerous and these are people with no medical training and who typically do not even research ingredients.
You don't need to be a medical professional to do microneedling if you practice proper hygenic protocols and do some actual research. There is no logical reason why you'd need 6+ years of medical school to do such a simple treatment. It's an absolute waste of money and a gift to dermatologists to pay $200 for them to do literally the same thing you can do at home.
But of course, people are stupid, that's why they recommend not doing this at home. There are many ways in which you can screw this up, if you're careless.
@@sh0werp0wer I agree fully. Also, I trust myself way more than a medical professional. I say this because the third leading cause of death in the US is due to medical errors. And, I find that in my own home and work area when doing these treatments, I can control how clean and sanitary everything is - and I am extremely cautious about cleanliness.
Microneedling and rolling, It's everywhere! Welcome your educated and sensible advice on this subject! Keep vlogging! Love ya, Dr. Dray :)
Thanks! Hope your Monday is going well :)
I feel like dermarolling at home did absolutely nothing for my face! nothing for melasma, my pores just look huge.... now for stretch marks... it has improved them but also I think it may have stimulated hair growth in weird places. Ugh! Wish my pores would just go away! Haha
Did you use the right type of derma roller ? Look up Gin Amber, that lovey lady has done tons and tons of research and has shown that 99% of the derma rollers our there are fake and would do more harm than good. So she created her own brand !
Can you do an updated microneeding video? Considering many now do it at home and there's likely more research. Would really appreciate it!
Yes ans now they apply exosomes after i had it done yesterday and it was expensive
I bought an At Home Micro-needle Roller, but now I’m scared to use it lol. I have sensitive skin, and am too scared that with my horrid luck it would fester and would need to go to the Dr and they’d scold me and ask “why would you do something like this and NOT know or understand what you’re doing!?”
And what terrifies me is if something bad happened to my skin that it would be irreversible. Because of trying some new and NOT knowing much if not anything about what I’m doing.