This thing is running more like a pot still and less like a plate still. Hence the low abv. Your plates/trays have to hold up some level of liquid to get the fractional distillation action. If you aren't holding the liquid up so the hot vapor vapor can bubble up through it then you aren't getting any of the benefits from those plates.
@@anthonyarloro4598 from a functionality stand point I think neither one works better. I run about 120 liquid air plants at work and they are just big continuous feed distillation columns. Older plants used trays because they allowed for a shorter column, which means less insulation, easier shipping and construction, etc. Newer plants use packing because it cuts down on the power bill, which is something that wasn't a major concern a couple decades ago when building the old plants.
@@anthonyarloro4598 smaller holes in those plates would help though. You need a little layer of liquid to sit on top of the plate and have the vapor bubble up through the liquid. Like if you used packing in a column, if you use too much packing and really cram it in there tight, the gas has trouble coming up and the liquid has trouble coming down. Best case scenario is you puke the column when it floods all the way out through the product condenser. Worst case scenario is you blow up your boiler. Flip side is you don't use enough packing and the liquid essentially rains straight down with no real resistance. No real benefits to the extra cost of the components and the extra energy required to run that setup. The rig in this video is running like a column without enough packing to run as a reflux still. It isn't necessarily "wrong." If the stuff coming out the product condenser tastes good, that is what matters most in this business. But taste comes from impurities that carried through the process. That is why pot stills are known for the flavor of their finished product because they make no extra effort to remove any impurities besides some of the water. But in my business, making nitrogen and oxygen using a still, impurities are bad. Impurities in my business can ruin my customer's products and can cause safety hazards. This setup in this video is terrible at removing impurities. You could probably remove all of those plates and the dephlegmator and it would have very little impact on the taste coming out of the product condenser.
There is really not much to it. It's a simple counterflow coiled Liebig condenser. it does the same as a straight one it just takes less space, hence handier to have.
I think it's the vast size of your plates. Lower then to 6-8" with smaller holes and you'd come out better. It would provide a much needed back pressure.
That's not really how a column still works. Especially a continuous still. The heads will be vented out the top and the tails end up in the bottom feed.
this is only a stripping still, the liquid that comes out of this contains all the heads, hearts, and tails, and the waste goes down the drain. the heads, hearts and tails or (low wines) then have to be separated in a conventional still
About 6 reflux sections and you can hit above 90 from what I have gathered, seems like more than 4 reflux sections and slow fractioning gets the abv up there
@@ghostz28 You can have as many sections as you want, but it doesn't help if they don't restrict enough fluid, and you could also through on a dephlegmator to further restrict less volitile vapours from making it up
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Awesome man. Keep chasing the craft! love the ingenuity.
This thing is running more like a pot still and less like a plate still. Hence the low abv. Your plates/trays have to hold up some level of liquid to get the fractional distillation action. If you aren't holding the liquid up so the hot vapor vapor can bubble up through it then you aren't getting any of the benefits from those plates.
Do you think a smaller mesh on the tray would help or would bubble trays be better?
@@anthonyarloro4598 from a functionality stand point I think neither one works better. I run about 120 liquid air plants at work and they are just big continuous feed distillation columns. Older plants used trays because they allowed for a shorter column, which means less insulation, easier shipping and construction, etc. Newer plants use packing because it cuts down on the power bill, which is something that wasn't a major concern a couple decades ago when building the old plants.
@@anthonyarloro4598 smaller holes in those plates would help though. You need a little layer of liquid to sit on top of the plate and have the vapor bubble up through the liquid.
Like if you used packing in a column, if you use too much packing and really cram it in there tight, the gas has trouble coming up and the liquid has trouble coming down. Best case scenario is you puke the column when it floods all the way out through the product condenser. Worst case scenario is you blow up your boiler. Flip side is you don't use enough packing and the liquid essentially rains straight down with no real resistance. No real benefits to the extra cost of the components and the extra energy required to run that setup. The rig in this video is running like a column without enough packing to run as a reflux still. It isn't necessarily "wrong." If the stuff coming out the product condenser tastes good, that is what matters most in this business. But taste comes from impurities that carried through the process. That is why pot stills are known for the flavor of their finished product because they make no extra effort to remove any impurities besides some of the water. But in my business, making nitrogen and oxygen using a still, impurities are bad. Impurities in my business can ruin my customer's products and can cause safety hazards. This setup in this video is terrible at removing impurities. You could probably remove all of those plates and the dephlegmator and it would have very little impact on the taste coming out of the product condenser.
I would love to know more about those heat exchangers please! Thanks for the awesome video - super cool prototype.
There is really not much to it.
It's a simple counterflow coiled Liebig condenser.
it does the same as a straight one it just takes less space, hence handier to have.
Do you have any updates on this project? It would be great to find out what you have learned since these original videos were done. Thanks a lot.
I think it's the vast size of your plates. Lower then to 6-8" with smaller holes and you'd come out better. It would provide a much needed back pressure.
how much is this beauty??
Super , вот это я понимаю колонна и всё понятно , удачи и процветания.
Это маленький спирт завод. 😂
а что за колона?
@@DraGon-cg6ge речь о перегонной колонне, что на видео
Why aren't you pumping into the boiler ?
Nice to see ingenuity at work .its time for someone to create a new way of distilling .keep at it buddy .
This isn’t a new way. Most commercial distilleries uses the same thing but bigger
Can't read your captions.
How is it different from normal buble cup?
How do you separate heads and tails when doing it this way?
That's not really how a column still works. Especially a continuous still. The heads will be vented out the top and the tails end up in the bottom feed.
this is only a stripping still, the liquid that comes out of this contains all the heads, hearts, and tails, and the waste goes down the drain. the heads, hearts and tails or (low wines) then have to be separated in a conventional still
prices?
can this make 95%
no
Not the way he is running it.
About 6 reflux sections and you can hit above 90 from what I have gathered, seems like more than 4 reflux sections and slow fractioning gets the abv up there
@@ghostz28 You can have as many sections as you want, but it doesn't help if they don't restrict enough fluid, and you could also through on a dephlegmator to further restrict less volitile vapours from making it up
Oh fuck...
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