Thank you !! I've been bowhunting for 25+ years and you just showed me why my shoulder hurts after shooting. I've been drawing wrong the whole time. Gonna take some practice to break the habit. You're never too old to learn something new.
Well Sean, after 45+ years almost 59 now. I too either came up with a new bad habit or I'm just getting old. My shoulder was fine 5 months ago after archery season, but all of a sudden my shoulder now hurts. I watched AJA video and thought ? there's no way i could be doing it wrong. Well guess what, I have either been doing it wrong for all these years or i just started this bad habit. With all that said, we are never to old to learn and listen. I also just attached a knock point on a dumb bell which i attached my release. Bent over with good form and drew it like i was drawing my bow as AJ explained. It worked perfect.Thank you Average Jack for getting me back on track.
Super helpful Video. My dad has been shooting the wrong way his whole life and I just showed him this video. He will be making some changes. Thanks Jack
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Thiiiiis!!!!! I just got my first bow 2 days ago and my shoulders are killing me! Came to RUclips for answers… isn’t that what everyone does 😅. Was not disappointed!
This video saved my archery season! I was having shoulder pain and thought I would have to give up on the season or buy a new bow, but after this video I could shoot without pain and even tagged an elk last Saturday. Thank you very much!
I want to thank u so much. I quit compound bow hunting because I was in a bad street bike accident. Kills my right shoulder to draw my compound back the way I was doing it "wrong". Doing it the way u said and think I be able to draw it and hunt with a compound again. I will be calling u to get new cables and string for my compound. Thankx
I’ve owned a compound bow for a while but, because I wasn’t shown the correct way of drawing this type of bow, I ended up injuring my shoulder and distal biceps tendon. After I healed up, I tried your method and what a huge difference. Thank you!
Great video I just got my first bow on Saturday. I'm definitely feeling that shoulder pain I'm definitely coming straight back I'll definitely going to try this
Great advice Just picked up my old compound went to pull it back .OH OH what happened.I pulled this video up watched and realized I NEVER DID IT RIGHT but as a younger very strong man.I didn`t have to now at 74 you taught me the right way thanks.I am gonna use my bow as my everyday exercise machine now.OLD DOG learning new tricks.
I've been bowhunting for 20+ years and finally dropped down in poundage this year. Noticed some mild shoulder pain, here the low poundage is much easier to pull , but I also got sloppy while drawing. Tried elbow up the past two days and not only does the draw feel much better, but my pin is settling in on the target much quicker. Thanks for the tip!!
Outstanding video. I've been struggling to draw my bow after a rotator injury. I tried your method and it works great. Can't wait to get out in the woods after some practice of course and deer season to get here. I'm 62 and in good shape but I was afraid I might have to get a cross bow. Not now. Thanks very much for this video.
You know , I've been hunting for 35+ years with the compound bow, I've had a bunch of them, expensive ones mostly and I've killed near 100 deer possibly more and believe it or not I pull the damn thing back wrong. I don't know what started it, I csnt remember doing it sny other way. It sucks but I think I have a bit of roter cuff damage from this but all I can do is try to fix it and I thank you for showing me the proper way . I knew something wasn't right but was to hard headed to seek someone out I figured I'd find a video and well I did. Thanks again.
I'm learning, and honestly my coach said a 40lb bow is not for a learner. But that's not what happened to me, before i knew how to pull back a bow, and i still don't quite no, i have a coach but we're not starting until August, but i showed her my right pull arm, got bruises on the inside, i said "have you seen this before?" She put her head down and "yes" you blew blood vessels" why because i was using my arm not my shoulder or back, and 2 a bigginer using a 40lb is silly if you want to learn form, i kinda debate that however, I'm pretty strong for a 52 year old, but as he explained you don't use muscles you would, even in a gym, it would for them be the wrong form. Tbh August is a long way, a 40lb bow for me is very easy to draw back, even incorrectly. But i learned a huge lesson, and paid physically for my mistakes. Archery was nothing i expected it was, hence taking lessons from a district winner in Archery. And for you, good luck getting that form right, we can't hunt in uk, but best not to damage yourself by doing so, because hunting is a bit different from target shooting, I.e targets don't normally run away lol. Good luck sir.
I've been watching your channel for a while and your knowledge of archery has really helped with my decision to start shooting. As soon as this craziness is over I'm hitting a shop and getting a bow
@@ChenagoOutdoors SOOO TRUE! I started out with a 250$ bow and now my "bows" are way more than that - and so are my arrows. But it has become a lot of fun for my wife and me.
Do it bro! It's a great hobby. I started shooting archery for hunting, but found that I really enjoyed practicing in my back yard. It gets addicting, always trying to improve and seeing your accuracy get better, trying to shoot further and get your shot groups smaller. It's a good stress relief. You can get into it without spending a ton of money, and then upgrade when you are ready I got my first bow last year plus release and arrows for around $300.
Coming from someone who just had rotator cuff repair surgery in February and starting to learn how to shoot a compound bow at 43 years old...this info is priceless
Thank you! I'm just getting into compounds & already have shoulder injuries so you can imagine how difficult it is already. Tried your method & was able to get a full draw 1st time! Will definitely keep practicing this.
This is a great tip. I was drawing across my chest and then moving my draw arm up and it was causing a lot of elbow pain because of the rotation. Didn’t even know until someone told me I was doing it wrong a while back and the pain went away.
Very interesting, i blew my blood vessels on my pulling arm doing wrong form, my coach who is a district champion even said learning on a 40lb bow is not advisable, ive got tiny issues with that but shes a bow champion im not, but since ive been gym many years my muscles are pretty strong, even though haven't been for awhile. So learning stance (which i also done wrong) and pull back technique. Found this very helpful knowing what muscles i need to ingage. Thankyou
Oh man. Wish I had seen this sooner. I've been having all the issues you addressed. I never learned to draw properly I guess. This makes total sense. Thanks!
I just noticed some asymmetry in my arm/shoulder/back muscles. The same ones activated by my bow. I need to start working out my left side. I'm going to try those flexible therapy bands.
I just got my first bow today and I can already tell you how glad I am that I can across this video! Thank you! Your method certainly makes a world of difference
Beginner here just bought my first bow kinda on a whim but it was a great deal. and I’m a skinnyer guy and earlier could barely pull it back once. Was very bummed out after watching this I can consistently pull it back no struggle thank you a lot.
Just wanted to say thank you! Just got fitted for my first bow today and I’m not exactly old, but almost 30 and was having a hard time drawing back 50 pounds and my shoulder hurt. Wasn’t doing it the right way. I also have to build those muscles up but thankful for seeing this before I start building any bad habits. Thanks!
Great video. Just correcting my form how you showed increased my draw ability by about 5lbs. It's now a lot more comfortable of a pull and my muscles don't feel as strained after the pull.
This is one of the very first things they teach you in target archery. That said, I keep seeing world-class compound archers go through some really weird draw cycles (some even wriggle their head as the whole thing looks like trying to put on a tight t-shirt)... but they're hitting the 10 zone time after time...
I just recently taught myself this after avoiding for a few years when i first picked a compound up. I drew across my body which required i take additional steps to anchor. Chris bee put a video out of archery mistakes, draw cycle was one. Feeling insecure i raised my elbow up and sure as shit, it was easier to draw correctly. Awkward initially but quickly became easier and routine.
Yeah I saw the video with Chris Bee as well and I'll be damned if he didn't draw exactly like thr guy in this video. I didn't know how I could have gotten so off over the years but somehow I did, now I just gotta correct it before October, take csre.
Thank you so much I thought that I needed to lower my poundage a lot but it turned out the way I was drawing just made it a lot harder, and my shoulder stopped hurting
This helped me tremendously. I had a shoulder injury from a bad bench press and couldnt shoot my bow without having extreme shoulder pain. Switched up to a higher elbow and I’m pulling back my Mathews at 70lbs again.
Thank you for the excellent video. One of the best instructional videos I have seen on how to draw a compound bow. Excellent tip on the drawing arm elbow.
Thank you for this video. The proper draw will also make it a lot easier in a saddle. The elbow in the correct position easily clears the bridge and tether. 👍
Now that I am older I think it's even more important to get that elbow up. Even though I am a weight lifter and strong for my age, the strain it puts on my/your shoulder with a low elbow is definitely an issue. I shoot a little over 50# and keep my elbow somewhat high, so not even close to the bad shot you showed, but I think getting it higher still would help even more. Going to work on that tonight with some stretch bands first to get the feel. I think it can help with aiming too when you come down into the shot versus having to lift into the shot like I am doing now. Great stuff brother !!
As a 13 year old,that wants to bow hunt all of the sudden,I have a 20-45 pound bow,I cant pull 60,but have not tried 40 or 50,gonna try it before bow season is over Dec 31
As someone with major shoulder issues and has been working out a long time, I find it to be the exact opposite. When you wing your elbow up high, you are forcing your shoulder into an impingement. Mine literally comes forward out of alignment with Motion 1. With motion 2, my shoulder is pulled in tight, protected, and I get to use more of my back muscles, and the large lat muscle. If you were working out, you would be much stronger using your lat in a row, that isolating and winging your elbow up and pulling with your rear delt (a very small muscle). A general rule of thumb, you're stronger closer to your body, when your limbs get away from your body, you get weaker.
I have gotten a shoulder impingement twice shooting in the manner mentioned in the video. its a horrible sharp pain. Have seen a couple of videos from physical therapist that mention what you did
The problem that you experience probably comes from overdoing the movement in motion 1, perfect form takes perfect practice. I had to stand and look at myself in the mirror to realize how overemphasized and skewed I did it and then practiced with first the bow to get a sense of what the bow allows me to do in terms of movement and when I felt it started to drift, used my resistance band just to get that same feeling as the correct movement that felt natural and good with the bow. I feel nothing in my shoulder now and you definitely, depending on the day, start feeling a surge in your shoulder if you pull with your lats after more than 30-60 arrows. Get that number up to 200-300+ and the movement he's showing makes or breaks the next day in terms of how your shoulder is feeling and reduces injury. Pulling with your lats makes for more strength but you're not in the height of good lat activation because you're not pulling down towards your back like a pull up, lats are designed to pull in towards your body in the front or pulling your body up, pulling from across the body makes the rear delt work way more than you believe it does. You're hinging the movement on a joint, ligaments and the traps, rear delt (that is notorious for breaking as you say). Had there not been rotator cuffs involved and extreme joint placements, pulling backwards like a row at rib height, I'd be 100% in your corner. If you don't believe me, broscience, random dude on the internet, anecdotal etc. Look at any archery competition video, they all do the motion he is demonstrating and its not because every coach and every archer is absolutely oblivious, they know something we probably don't.
I injured my shoulder drawing elbow up. I started drawing the way you say is wrong, because that's the only way I could do it. It works great for me and if you don't do it like an infomercial salesman it can be done with very little movement.
Awesome video!!!! I, myself, just getting into bow hunting, and this video is very informative. Ofc I took the backyard crash course lol😅 but now I would like to perfect my craft, and sharpen my skills. Especially if I plan on bow hunting for the rest of my life.Thanks a bunch!!!
I agree with your basic form. I would disagree in some aspects as a physical trainer for 20+ years as to the most effective way though. Elbow high is great but I believe so long as it's at shoulder height or above is great. The lower variables are no good. Thanks for the great vid!
Thanks so much for sharing this. Just bought my first bow a month ago and started experiencing a bit of shoulder pain. I have been doing it all wrong. This looks like an easy fix. You do a great job of breaking down the motion and explaining it really well. Just subscribed, so I’m looking forward to more instructional videos. Keep up the great work!😊
Thanks for this tutorial. I’ve been shooting a bow for a long time (my first compound bow was a Jennings Model T). As we age form becomes more important , it’s a matter of working smarter not harder. Thank you for helping to keep me in the game .
Went back and watched again! My form isn't has bad as I thought. I was thinking I may have had poor form in order to favor my bad shoulder. Whewwwwww. But this did make me concentrate more on my drawing and that lead to more consistency. Now to repeat a few thousand times LOL Finally back to having to pick separate spots on the target face!
I've been shooting bows for over 30 years, I developed that pull to the chest to try to limit movement in the stand. After you explaining this it makes a lot of sense and I'm going to adapt this technique.
As an older yout , just getting into shooting a bow since many decades ago, like the info., buttt it would extreamly help when explaining these exercises that help with the muscles that you actually show the exercise your describing for those that don't or haven't been to gym to know what your describing just by moving your arm a certain way. Th aza no's for the information though.
Excellent video and A LOT of help for me as I have seen a lot of videos of multiple different forms. TYVM for the vid and best of luck in the PA deer woods this season. God Bless, be safe and be well my friend.
Yes just feel your body as you pull and you will get on a groove of doing the drawback the strongest best way, and fingers behind your trigger /release button, peep to your eye not eye to peep
THANK YOU! Been looking for something like this. Just got a recurve bow as a first timer and got a 45 pounder, which i should be able to handle but tbh I think Southlands specs are off bc literally none of my friends can handle this either even tho we all work out but getting my elbow up even higher than I alrdy do I noticed a major improvement. Notably my ability to hold it. Only issue is that as a right hander, my left shoulder still pinches in the rotator cuff for some reason. Gotta look into that more.
Have you considered locking your draw hand in place at your chest and pushing your bow hand forward, like a press? This helped me keep shooting after shoulder surgery.
I shoot same Elite 37 ATA, thought it was too long for hunting, shot fixed blade broadheads with it, shot so good there was no way I was hunting with any other bow. 👊
Nate is a wealth of information. He took some time to coach me on this topic and by using the methods he described, I was able to adjust my form and get as close as possible to “proper”. After several weeks practicing this, I was able to gradually increase my poundage from 60 to 70 very comfortably by using my back muscles correctly. Great tips that are proven to work!
I lift weights regularly, and just recently got into archery. I've noticed the opposite, my arm holding the bow is what fatigues after a while of shooting. My lateral/posterior deltoid specifically (side and back of shoulder). I'm just 2min into the video so I'll see if it's my form when drawing that is the issue. I'm only pulling 60lbs (default weight of my vertix), and I know I could do much more (planning on getting the 75lb mods), but it's a fatigue issue over the span of a handful of shots.
@sauce Same here. New to archery. I shoot lefty and the back of my right upper shoulder is killing me. Hoping I didn't damage anything. My draw arm feels fine though. I will try this technique, even though it's my bow arm and not my draw shoulder that is in pain.
This is my problem. My draw arm is fine, but my bow shoulder feels like it's been dislocated after a dozen shots. When I first started, I'd feel worn out like a long exercise after a couple dozen, but it was just tired. Now, it's serious pain making it tough to even lift the bow after half a dozen. I'm not sure if I changed form or what, but I definitely want to make that stronger and go away. I've never had a shoulder injury
Sensible and sensitive as always. Thanks for sharing. After I pulled back my PSE Dominator DC at 46lbs for a 3/4 of a year wrongly, I really appreciate this strongly as I just started shooting my 58-60lbs Mathews TX5. Just started to use Easton FMJs with blazer fletches, lovely arrow by the way.
Nate, this is so timely! I just shot my bows yesterday for the first time in over a year and as a bow hunter had always been taught to draw too close to the wrong way than the right way to avoid movement. But I’m don’t want rotator cuff issues, so thanks so much! Moving up from the Gold Tip 400 twizzlers to some Victory’s (300’s) I first heard you recommend, so thanks again, friend! God bless!
Thanks for the help. A proper draw feels a little weird at first but with more practice in the backyard (at my newly recovered Morrel target that you also helped me with recently) it's feeling more natural.
This is an excellent video. Great explanations of how to draw and how not to draw and why. This video has helped me the most. You showed me exactly what I was doing wrong. I've tried the new position of my elbow and it feels much better. Thanks.
I got my bow service and ready for the seasons but no matter what I just can not pull it like you showed. I do not know if it is because of my bow type or what but the only painless way to pull it back is to point the bow in the air and pull back down. It is a silent hunter bow. Maybe I just need to practice more.
So many RUclips archery commenters have the arrow point up, elbow down, across the chest draw. I think it’s largely because of the ego factor of drawing 70 lbs or more. They are over-bowed, but poundage is more important to them than technique. I spent several hours watching the best competitive archers in the world on video. Didn’t see a single one of them with a low elbow, across the chest draw. I changed my technique that day. Thanks for this excellent reminder on technique, I wish there was more of this type content out there. Thumbs up.
I drew and hunted with 82 lbs for over 20 yrs. I'm 60 yrs old now and don't have the strength I used to, but still draw 70 lbs. I've killed over 100 deer and numerous other big game animals. You said that, to us "overbowed" guys, that "poundage is more important than technique". I say, what difference does the position of your elbow make while you're drawing if you have proper form once you reach full draw? This is just another non issue that means nothing in the big picture.
@@russelllangworthy8855 You dont need as much muscle strength with proper form. Where your arrow points is an issue. Sky draws are not safe, if your d-loops snaps or release fails, where is your arrow going with your underarmed poor form sky draw? Safety is no accident. Im not a hunter, Im a target shooter.. Do a sky draw on the comp line and you wont be shooting long, unless you shoot the Lancaster classic, plenty of sky draws there and the judges dont seem to care.
@@russelllangworthy8855 ruclips.net/video/D9xitqfP5P0/видео.html 2:30 is your typical over bowed, low form,poor technique hunter. Its common knowledge that good form prevents injuries and accidents.
Man that is good info im just getting into bows and trying to get my girl into it I've shot bows with my friends but I wondered why I always hurt lol thank you for really great info I definitely liked and subbed 😁
Thank you !! I've been bowhunting for 25+ years and you just showed me why my shoulder hurts after shooting. I've been drawing wrong the whole time. Gonna take some practice to break the habit. You're never too old to learn something new.
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Well Sean, after 45+ years almost 59 now. I too either came up with a new bad habit or I'm just getting old. My shoulder was fine 5 months ago after archery season, but all of a sudden my shoulder now hurts. I watched AJA video and thought ? there's no way i could be doing it wrong. Well guess what, I have either been doing it wrong for all these years or i just started this bad habit. With all that said, we are never to old to learn and listen. I also just attached a knock point on a dumb bell which i attached my release. Bent over with good form and drew it like i was drawing my bow as AJ explained. It worked perfect.Thank you Average Jack for getting me back on track.
Super helpful Video. My dad has been shooting the wrong way his whole life and I just showed him this video. He will be making some changes. Thanks Jack
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
As a new bow hunter, this was extremely helpful. Great video!
Thiiiiis!!!!! I just got my first bow 2 days ago and my shoulders are killing me! Came to RUclips for answers… isn’t that what everyone does 😅. Was not disappointed!
This video saved my archery season! I was having shoulder pain and thought I would have to give up on the season or buy a new bow, but after this video I could shoot without pain and even tagged an elk last Saturday. Thank you very much!
I want to thank u so much. I quit compound bow hunting because I was in a bad street bike accident. Kills my right shoulder to draw my compound back the way I was doing it "wrong". Doing it the way u said and think I be able to draw it and hunt with a compound again. I will be calling u to get new cables and string for my compound. Thankx
Best video I have seen for explaining the proper way to draw the bow. I had my wife watch this before she started shooting. Thanks for the video!!!!!!
This video is the BEST explanation I have found.
Dude is a great teacher. Alot of useful info In a humble package
Best info I’ve ever seen on shooting a compound. Mucho thanks...
drawing compounds are easy peazy. its recurves that mess my arms and shoulder up bad.
I’ve owned a compound bow for a while but, because I wasn’t shown the correct way of drawing this type of bow, I ended up injuring my shoulder and distal biceps tendon. After I healed up, I tried your method and what a huge difference. Thank you!
Have had an issue with this for some time. But eventually found the problem. You hit it right on the head.Good tip for sure. Thanks.
You read my mind! I’ve been having some pain in my shoulder from drawing my new bow and now I know what to work on to alleviate that!
Same here
After two weeks have you noticed a difference?
Same here
Great video I just got my first bow on Saturday. I'm definitely feeling that shoulder pain I'm definitely coming straight back I'll definitely going to try this
Awesome advice...you saved my shoulder. Thank you.
Great advice Just picked up my old compound went to pull it back .OH OH what happened.I pulled this video up watched and realized I NEVER DID IT RIGHT but as a younger very strong man.I didn`t have to now at 74 you taught me the right way thanks.I am gonna use my bow as my everyday exercise machine now.OLD DOG learning new tricks.
Simple and thoughtful delivery. Great video.
I've been bowhunting for 20+ years and finally dropped down in poundage this year. Noticed some mild shoulder pain, here the low poundage is much easier to pull , but I also got sloppy while drawing. Tried elbow up the past two days and not only does the draw feel much better, but my pin is settling in on the target much quicker. Thanks for the tip!!
Outstanding video. I've been struggling to draw my bow after a rotator injury. I tried your method and it works great. Can't wait to get out in the woods after some practice of course and deer season to get here. I'm 62 and in good shape but I was afraid I might have to get a cross bow. Not now. Thanks very much for this video.
You know , I've been hunting for 35+ years with the compound bow, I've had a bunch of them, expensive ones mostly and I've killed near 100 deer possibly more and believe it or not I pull the damn thing back wrong. I don't know what started it, I csnt remember doing it sny other way. It sucks but I think I have a bit of roter cuff damage from this but all I can do is try to fix it and I thank you for showing me the proper way . I knew something wasn't right but was to hard headed to seek someone out I figured I'd find a video and well I did. Thanks again.
I'm learning, and honestly my coach said a 40lb bow is not for a learner. But that's not what happened to me, before i knew how to pull back a bow, and i still don't quite no, i have a coach but we're not starting until August, but i showed her my right pull arm, got bruises on the inside, i said "have you seen this before?" She put her head down and "yes" you blew blood vessels" why because i was using my arm not my shoulder or back, and 2 a bigginer using a 40lb is silly if you want to learn form, i kinda debate that however, I'm pretty strong for a 52 year old, but as he explained you don't use muscles you would, even in a gym, it would for them be the wrong form. Tbh August is a long way, a 40lb bow for me is very easy to draw back, even incorrectly. But i learned a huge lesson, and paid physically for my mistakes. Archery was nothing i expected it was, hence taking lessons from a district winner in Archery. And for you, good luck getting that form right, we can't hunt in uk, but best not to damage yourself by doing so, because hunting is a bit different from target shooting, I.e targets don't normally run away lol. Good luck sir.
I've been watching your channel for a while and your knowledge of archery has really helped with my decision to start shooting. As soon as this craziness is over I'm hitting a shop and getting a bow
You won't regret getting into it. It's very addicting and there's alot of great people in the sport
@@ChenagoOutdoors SOOO TRUE! I started out with a 250$ bow and now my "bows" are way more than that - and so are my arrows. But it has become a lot of fun for my wife and me.
Do it bro! It's a great hobby. I started shooting archery for hunting, but found that I really enjoyed practicing in my back yard. It gets addicting, always trying to improve and seeing your accuracy get better, trying to shoot further and get your shot groups smaller. It's a good stress relief. You can get into it without spending a ton of money, and then upgrade when you are ready I got my first bow last year plus release and arrows for around $300.
Did you do it?
@terryd8692 Yeah, a little right after I posted this, I went and grabbed my bow and have been shooting every chance I get.
Outstanding! I have shot and bow hunted over 30yrs and just learned from you and 1 other during winter to draw correctly. Big difference! TY
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Excellent video. Thanks!
Coming from someone who just had rotator cuff repair surgery in February and starting to learn how to shoot a compound bow at 43 years old...this info is priceless
Rotator cuff survivor here also this info is gold.
Thanks for the information.
Thank you! I'm just getting into compounds & already have shoulder injuries so you can imagine how difficult it is already. Tried your method & was able to get a full draw 1st time! Will definitely keep practicing this.
Thanks for this good tips. Im new in archery, shooting some 45 lbs compound now, and this is a great draw guide. From Argentina, thanks man!
This is a great tip. I was drawing across my chest and then moving my draw arm up and it was causing a lot of elbow pain because of the rotation. Didn’t even know until someone told me I was doing it wrong a while back and the pain went away.
Very interesting, i blew my blood vessels on my pulling arm doing wrong form, my coach who is a district champion even said learning on a 40lb bow is not advisable, ive got tiny issues with that but shes a bow champion im not, but since ive been gym many years my muscles are pretty strong, even though haven't been for awhile. So learning stance (which i also done wrong) and pull back technique. Found this very helpful knowing what muscles i need to ingage. Thankyou
I'm so glad I watched this video. I was doing it all wrong. Thanks
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Oh man. Wish I had seen this sooner. I've been having all the issues you addressed. I never learned to draw properly I guess. This makes total sense. Thanks!
I just noticed some asymmetry in my arm/shoulder/back muscles. The same ones activated by my bow. I need to start working out my left side. I'm going to try those flexible therapy bands.
I just got my first bow today and I can already tell you how glad I am that I can across this video! Thank you! Your method certainly makes a world of difference
Great video definitely saving it. Well spoken a comprehensible. Thx
Beginner here just bought my first bow kinda on a whim but it was a great deal. and I’m a skinnyer guy and earlier could barely pull it back once. Was very bummed out after watching this I can consistently pull it back no struggle thank you a lot.
Just wanted to say thank you! Just got fitted for my first bow today and I’m not exactly old, but almost 30 and was having a hard time drawing back 50 pounds and my shoulder hurt. Wasn’t doing it the right way. I also have to build those muscles up but thankful for seeing this before I start building any bad habits. Thanks!
Not exactly old but almost 30 😂😂 wtf does that mean?
Great video. Just correcting my form how you showed increased my draw ability by about 5lbs. It's now a lot more comfortable of a pull and my muscles don't feel as strained after the pull.
WELL DONE!
This is one of the very first things they teach you in target archery.
That said, I keep seeing world-class compound archers go through some really weird draw cycles (some even wriggle their head as the whole thing looks like trying to put on a tight t-shirt)... but they're hitting the 10 zone time after time...
Great instructional video. Well done. Thank you.
Great info thanks for all you do!
New to bow hunting and this was a big help. Going to try and be conscious about my elbow tomorrow while shooting!
I just recently taught myself this after avoiding for a few years when i first picked a compound up. I drew across my body which required i take additional steps to anchor. Chris bee put a video out of archery mistakes, draw cycle was one. Feeling insecure i raised my elbow up and sure as shit, it was easier to draw correctly. Awkward initially but quickly became easier and routine.
John Dudley teaches to draw right across the body so it’s possible you were over bowed...
Yeah I saw the video with Chris Bee as well and I'll be damned if he didn't draw exactly like thr guy in this video. I didn't know how I could have gotten so off over the years but somehow I did, now I just gotta correct it before October, take csre.
Thank you so much I thought that I needed to lower my poundage a lot but it turned out the way I was drawing just made it a lot harder, and my shoulder stopped hurting
Wonderful!!
This helped me tremendously. I had a shoulder injury from a bad bench press and couldnt shoot my bow without having extreme shoulder pain. Switched up to a higher elbow and I’m pulling back my Mathews at 70lbs again.
Thank you for the excellent video. One of the best instructional videos I have seen on how to draw a compound bow. Excellent tip on the drawing arm elbow.
I haven’t been using my bow for very long but I was doing it wrong thanks for the advice
Thank you so much! just starting out and started feeling pain and so happy to see this!
Thank you for this video. The proper draw will also make it a lot easier in a saddle. The elbow in the correct position easily clears the bridge and tether. 👍
Now that I am older I think it's even more important to get that elbow up. Even though I am a weight lifter and strong for my age, the strain it puts on my/your shoulder with a low elbow is definitely an issue. I shoot a little over 50# and keep my elbow somewhat high, so not even close to the bad shot you showed, but I think getting it higher still would help even more. Going to work on that tonight with some stretch bands first to get the feel. I think it can help with aiming too when you come down into the shot versus having to lift into the shot like I am doing now. Great stuff brother !!
As a 13 year old,that wants to bow hunt all of the sudden,I have a 20-45 pound bow,I cant pull 60,but have not tried 40 or 50,gonna try it before bow season is over Dec 31
As someone with major shoulder issues and has been working out a long time, I find it to be the exact opposite. When you wing your elbow up high, you are forcing your shoulder into an impingement. Mine literally comes forward out of alignment with Motion 1. With motion 2, my shoulder is pulled in tight, protected, and I get to use more of my back muscles, and the large lat muscle. If you were working out, you would be much stronger using your lat in a row, that isolating and winging your elbow up and pulling with your rear delt (a very small muscle). A general rule of thumb, you're stronger closer to your body, when your limbs get away from your body, you get weaker.
I agree. I feel like winging your elbow up puts a lot of strain on the shoulder joint. It almost feels unnatural.
You're absolutely correct. No high elbows!!! "Recipe for disaster"
Same.
I have gotten a shoulder impingement twice shooting in the manner mentioned in the video. its a horrible sharp pain. Have seen a couple of videos from physical therapist that mention what you did
The problem that you experience probably comes from overdoing the movement in motion 1, perfect form takes perfect practice. I had to stand and look at myself in the mirror to realize how overemphasized and skewed I did it and then practiced with first the bow to get a sense of what the bow allows me to do in terms of movement and when I felt it started to drift, used my resistance band just to get that same feeling as the correct movement that felt natural and good with the bow.
I feel nothing in my shoulder now and you definitely, depending on the day, start feeling a surge in your shoulder if you pull with your lats after more than 30-60 arrows. Get that number up to 200-300+ and the movement he's showing makes or breaks the next day in terms of how your shoulder is feeling and reduces injury. Pulling with your lats makes for more strength but you're not in the height of good lat activation because you're not pulling down towards your back like a pull up, lats are designed to pull in towards your body in the front or pulling your body up, pulling from across the body makes the rear delt work way more than you believe it does. You're hinging the movement on a joint, ligaments and the traps, rear delt (that is notorious for breaking as you say). Had there not been rotator cuffs involved and extreme joint placements, pulling backwards like a row at rib height, I'd be 100% in your corner.
If you don't believe me, broscience, random dude on the internet, anecdotal etc. Look at any archery competition video, they all do the motion he is demonstrating and its not because every coach and every archer is absolutely oblivious, they know something we probably don't.
Thanks, very informative
I injured my shoulder drawing elbow up. I started drawing the way you say is wrong, because that's the only way I could do it. It works great for me and if you don't do it like an infomercial salesman it can be done with very little movement.
Awesome video!!!! I, myself, just getting into bow hunting, and this video is very informative. Ofc I took the backyard crash course lol😅 but now I would like to perfect my craft, and sharpen my skills. Especially if I plan on bow hunting for the rest of my life.Thanks a bunch!!!
I agree with your basic form. I would disagree in some aspects as a physical trainer for 20+ years as to the most effective way though. Elbow high is great but I believe so long as it's at shoulder height or above is great. The lower variables are no good. Thanks for the great vid!
nice video thanks shot 50 shots yesterday after a long time not shooting 70lb works the shoulder and back
Thanks for your help im learning archery in middle school right now and its hard for me to pull the arrow back so now i know how to ace it 🗿
Thanks so much for sharing this. Just bought my first bow a month ago and started experiencing a bit of shoulder pain. I have been doing it all wrong. This looks like an easy fix. You do a great job of breaking down the motion and explaining it really well. Just subscribed, so I’m looking forward to more instructional videos. Keep up the great work!😊
Best of luck!
Thanks for this tutorial. I’ve been shooting a bow for a long time (my first compound bow was a Jennings Model T). As we age form becomes more important , it’s a matter of working smarter not harder. Thank you for helping to keep me in the game .
Went back and watched again! My form isn't has bad as I thought. I was thinking I may have had poor form in order to favor my bad shoulder. Whewwwwww. But this did make me concentrate more on my drawing and that lead to more consistency. Now to repeat a few thousand times LOL Finally back to having to pick separate spots on the target face!
Blessings from Montreal Canada
Thank you so much. I did follow your instructions and worked perfectly for me.
Very helpful video. As I am in the process of just getting into shooting a bow these “introductory” videos are very helpful.
thanks boss, big help
Great video! Thanks for all the tips.
nice explanation and reminder !!
with recurve bow, I got that proper motion naturally :))
I've been shooting bows for over 30 years, I developed that pull to the chest to try to limit movement in the stand. After you explaining this it makes a lot of sense and I'm going to adapt this technique.
Thank you!
Awesome video thank you
As an older yout , just getting into shooting a bow since many decades ago, like the info., buttt it would extreamly help when explaining these exercises that help with the muscles that you actually show the exercise your describing for those that don't or haven't been to gym to know what your describing just by moving your arm a certain way. Th aza no's for the information though.
Thank you I needed this great explanation
Excellent video and A LOT of help for me as I have seen a lot of videos of multiple different forms. TYVM for the vid and best of luck in the PA deer woods this season. God Bless, be safe and be well my friend.
Yes just feel your body as you pull and you will get on a groove of doing the drawback the strongest best way, and fingers behind your trigger /release button, peep to your eye not eye to peep
Excellent content helping beginners like me, I'm very thankful for this channel and its information. Thanks and keep up the good work!
THANK YOU! Been looking for something like this. Just got a recurve bow as a first timer and got a 45 pounder, which i should be able to handle but tbh I think Southlands specs are off bc literally none of my friends can handle this either even tho we all work out but getting my elbow up even higher than I alrdy do I noticed a major improvement. Notably my ability to hold it. Only issue is that as a right hander, my left shoulder still pinches in the rotator cuff for some reason. Gotta look into that more.
Have you considered locking your draw hand in place at your chest and pushing your bow hand forward, like a press? This helped me keep shooting after shoulder surgery.
thank you so much
I shoot same Elite 37 ATA, thought it was too long for hunting, shot fixed blade broadheads with it, shot so good there was no way I was hunting with any other bow. 👊
Outstanding! Very helpful!
Nate is a wealth of information. He took some time to coach me on this topic and by using the methods he described, I was able to adjust my form and get as close as possible to “proper”. After several weeks practicing this, I was able to gradually increase my poundage from 60 to 70 very comfortably by using my back muscles correctly. Great tips that are proven to work!
I had a blast helping out!!!!
I'll keep follow that if it's perfect
Jake Kaminsky has a video up warning of this exact draw as injury inducing.
Here is one of Jake Kaminski's videos warning this method will cause injuries ruclips.net/video/31edlUmEBJ4/видео.html
I lift weights regularly, and just recently got into archery. I've noticed the opposite, my arm holding the bow is what fatigues after a while of shooting. My lateral/posterior deltoid specifically (side and back of shoulder). I'm just 2min into the video so I'll see if it's my form when drawing that is the issue. I'm only pulling 60lbs (default weight of my vertix), and I know I could do much more (planning on getting the 75lb mods), but it's a fatigue issue over the span of a handful of shots.
Same and when I start dropping shots because of the strain I know it's time to take a break
Pause in a position with that shoulder relaxed and breathe for a couple seconds after you nock.
@sauce Same here. New to archery. I shoot lefty and the back of my right upper shoulder is killing me. Hoping I didn't damage anything. My draw arm feels fine though. I will try this technique, even though it's my bow arm and not my draw shoulder that is in pain.
This is my problem. My draw arm is fine, but my bow shoulder feels like it's been dislocated after a dozen shots. When I first started, I'd feel worn out like a long exercise after a couple dozen, but it was just tired. Now, it's serious pain making it tough to even lift the bow after half a dozen. I'm not sure if I changed form or what, but I definitely want to make that stronger and go away. I've never had a shoulder injury
You guys need a longer draw length
Thanks for the useful tips. Specially how to build a shoulder strength
Great video, you present very well!
Love the shirt.
Super helpful, Thank you.
Sensible and sensitive as always. Thanks for sharing. After I pulled back my PSE Dominator DC at 46lbs for a 3/4 of a year wrongly, I really appreciate this strongly as I just started shooting my 58-60lbs Mathews TX5.
Just started to use Easton FMJs with blazer fletches, lovely arrow by the way.
This was fantastic! Thank you. Extremely helpful buddy!
Nate, this is so timely! I just shot my bows yesterday for the first time in over a year and as a bow hunter had always been taught to draw too close to the wrong way than the right way to avoid movement. But I’m don’t want rotator cuff issues, so thanks so much! Moving up from the Gold Tip 400 twizzlers to some Victory’s (300’s) I first heard you recommend, so thanks again, friend! God bless!
Very valuable information bud thanks for sharing
Thanks for the help. A proper draw feels a little weird at first but with more practice in the backyard (at my newly recovered Morrel target that you also helped me with recently) it's feeling more natural.
This is an excellent video. Great explanations of how to draw and how not to draw and why. This video has helped me the most. You showed me exactly what I was doing wrong. I've tried the new position of my elbow and it feels much better. Thanks.
I got my bow service and ready for the seasons but no matter what I just can not pull it like you showed. I do not know if it is because of my bow type or what but the only painless way to pull it back is to point the bow in the air and pull back down.
It is a silent hunter bow. Maybe I just need to practice more.
So many RUclips archery commenters have the arrow point up, elbow down, across the chest draw. I think it’s largely because of the ego factor of drawing 70 lbs or more. They are over-bowed, but poundage is more important to them than technique. I spent several hours watching the best competitive archers in the world on video. Didn’t see a single one of them with a low elbow, across the chest draw. I changed my technique that day. Thanks for this excellent reminder on technique, I wish there was more of this type content out there. Thumbs up.
I drew and hunted with 82 lbs for over 20 yrs. I'm 60 yrs old now and don't have the strength I used to, but still draw 70 lbs. I've killed over 100 deer and numerous other big game animals. You said that, to us "overbowed" guys, that "poundage is more important than technique". I say, what difference does the position of your elbow make while you're drawing if you have proper form once you reach full draw? This is just another non issue that means nothing in the big picture.
@@russelllangworthy8855 me as a beginner, I appreciate AJA's input.
By the way, what is his forename? Kinda sucks to write AJA.
@@SamSung-qy5hj AJA real name is Nate
@@russelllangworthy8855 You dont need as much muscle strength with proper form.
Where your arrow points is an issue. Sky draws are not safe, if your d-loops snaps or release fails, where is your arrow going with your underarmed poor form sky draw? Safety is no accident.
Im not a hunter, Im a target shooter.. Do a sky draw on the comp line and you wont be shooting long, unless you shoot the Lancaster classic, plenty of sky draws there and the judges dont seem to care.
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2:30 is your typical over bowed, low form,poor technique hunter.
Its common knowledge that good form prevents injuries and accidents.
Man that is good info im just getting into bows and trying to get my girl into it I've shot bows with my friends but I wondered why I always hurt lol thank you for really great info I definitely liked and subbed 😁