Pumping Iron - From Arnold To The Adonis Complex: Masculinity In Crisis? Part 3
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- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2022
- Part Three of my series exploring the theme of Masculinity through the lens of the film, Pumping Iron.
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As a bodybuilder myself, I found this video thoroughly entertaining and thought-provoking
Hey thanks for watching and commenting. Please check out Part 1 and 2 before this one if you haven't seen them yet. Thanks again!
@Hello There Kenobi.
As one who competes and has competed in bodybuilding contests in Muscle Beach California. I have to both agree and disagree w/ *Carved Outta Stone*
1/ I agree for this reasoning....what is now called the *silver era of bodybuilding* it was still about health and aesthetic appearnace was just a byproduc, not a chief aim.
Steve Reeves and Arnold Schwarzenegger spoke about the ever increasing demand for excessive PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS by younger and younger folks. Steve was quite upset w/ Arnold as in Steve's opinion Arnold was solely responsible for bringing about the freak factor that pervades most of the fitness industry as a whole. Even the women are built similar to the men today.
2/ I disagree for this reasoning....
I've been Bodybuilding for 20+ years(not far from 37 now) and it's never been about being insecure or only lifting/ Bodybuilding *for aesthetic purposes only* again that appearance of said physique will be a byproduct one way of the other...even w/o performance enhancing drugs etc.
I find it fascinating that ond can claim *Adonis complex* as a label to both disqualify and discredit others whom have take the time to study ancient history in relation to *physical culture* just as it was said to those of the 1970s that they *had an inferiority complex* bcuz they wanted to lift weights and be healthy strong and fit.
*to Carved Outta Stone* I say this *in my opinion you're taking a few things out of context like an overly feminine politically correct male*
This is why more and more men and speaking up about this sort of content on all of the internet regardless of platform. We're getting sick and fed w/ this attack on healthy strong men.
Maybe we'll see you on the Mr Olympia stage one day. Keep pumping brother and keep working hard. Thanks
This was a thoughtful and well-researched discussion. Thanks so much.
In my earlier years, I absolutely fell prey to the lure of bodybuilding, for the reasons you mention: I was a bit of a loner and was heavily influenced by the movie and action figure bodies of the 1980s.
Serving in the military helped me break away from self-obsession and the endless quest for "perfection" of my body. Using my body in the service of others made me respect myself and helped me accept that my body wasn't weak or ugly or shameful.
I am certainly not saying that everyone should join the military; I do believe, however, that one possible antidote to toxic masculinity is service to others---be it military service, civil service work, coaching a sport, or volunteering.
My pleasure Paul and thanks for the thoughtful response. I definitely believe that service to others is a massive part as to why men are searching for meaning right now.
I hate to quote that line in Fight Club when Tyler Durden says "we have no wars, no great depression - our war's are spiritual - our great depression, is our lives", but it's kind of true.
We need the belonging and purpose that comes with exerting our efforts to leave the world better than how we found it. Bodybuilding is definitely a positive, but in this current manosphere the advice of "go lift" is becoming over played and over emphasised. By all means, lift, but also help, serve, volunteer, be part of something bigger than the reflection you see in the mirror. Don't make lifting your sole focus because the thing I loved about the Golden Era guys is that lifting was just ONE facet of their interests and personalities.
Thanks again for watching, your service, and for creating some interesting discussion.
Again, a really fascinating look at how the Iron Game has developed over the years and the dilemma between the benefits of bettering oneself through building a great physique versus the mental and physical health issues arising from the “Adonis Complex”, “Bigorexia” and too many PED’s.
Please keep these videos coming!!
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Thanks again Craig. It was a fun series to make. I'm still learning this video creation thing, so hopefully I can improve as time goes on. It's a great learning experience all the same. Cheers again for your feedback. I can't wait to make more.
Found these videos today and went breezing through 'em. This was an interesting view of bodybuilding's history with the context of the eras that are happening around it.
Hi Justin. Yes, the history and the context surrounding our activity and the film provides a fascinating insight into how these things coalesce and come to be. Subscribe if you want to see more videos like this, because I have some more on the Golden Era guys coming soon. Thanks again for your comment.
Fantastic insights and love the development of how bodybuilding changes over the years
How true that Arnold has set the new standards of bodybuilding of size and definition.. bodybuilding has never been the same since his uprising
Loved the three part analysis on Pumping Iron and masculinity!
Keep the videos coming :)
You make some interesting points but body-building is a discipline and an art form. It's up to the individual as to what they make of it. To live a healthy body-building lifestyle including weight training and healthy eating while developing other areas of their lives such as career and family or to be obsessed to the point you become a person who does nothing but body-building and only cares about the next workout and meal while never being happy with how they look. Mike mentzer discusses this topic. Worth checking out.
I agree and never said it wasn't.
My point is that people are leaning towards extremes when the ancient Greeks who started all this, preached moderation and balance as the foundations for masculine virtue.
This was espoused right up until extremism took over both in the sport and the culture at large.
Mentzer had some ok points but he was likewise an extremist; somebody whom the sport of Bodybuilding consumed and destroyed because he couldn't put his competitive failures and the politics surrounding them into their proper perspective.
Thanks for commenting!
The nature of America is that we take every thing to the extreme, regardless of the discipline. Ha e you seen what snowboarders are doing these days on the slopes? It's crazy how good those kids are at defying gravity and controlling their bodies in mid flight going down a slab of ice. Or how about mountain climbing? Pick your sport, profession, hobby, whatever. Everything moves towards a state of excellence. The meritocracy we live in rewards it too. Today's professional golfers are arguably far better than those who competed in the Bobby Jones Era. Same canbe said for every position on the football field. 60 yard field goals are quite common these days. There was a time that the record set by Tom Dempsey of 62 yards was unattainable. The four minute mile. Going to the moon. Everything moves towards extreme one upmanship. Is this a bad thing? Or is it by and large a good thing in that our society at least is free enough still to pursuit higher levels of extremism. I think it's part of the human spirit to keep growing, keep pushing the envelope, keep striving to out do the guy on top. I think about this phenomenon a lot. Seems like it would be ripe material for say a Malcom Gladwell to write a book on. There's a lot here to unpack and have great conversations around. Let's do it!! We can always do more. Let's just do things for the right reasons, keeping things in a healthy balance. Thanks 😊
@@quantumpotential7639 excellence is one thing extremism is another. The only reason body-building is different now compared to the 1940s is drugs. The guys back then would work just as hard as the guys today. The only difference is drugs. The nutrition and training haven't changed I admire Steve reeves and Clancy Ross more than any of the current pros.
@@stefanosprokopis6974 I completely agree. This video said 32 body builders died in 2021 alone. And those were just the ones who were in the limelight. Could be hundreds, perhaps thousands all around the world who were not in the spotlight. This is absolutely crazy and irrational behavior if you ask me. Steroids or their side effects are killing people. Not exactly what I call fitness. It's narcissistic suicide. Now let us pray 🙏. Thank you.
Out of the golden era bodybuilders, I think that Zane was the most sane, normal and positive. His size was manageable yet inspirational and appealing to universal aesthetics. He seems to had no qualms about downsizing later in life. He had a socially responsible and important profession. He had a wife to train with and share bodybuilding. He seems truly intellectual and refined in behaviour and thinking, and most probably enjoying every moment of training, and being a bodybuilder. You truly need the right mindset and temperament to benefit from bodybuilding long-term.
These are some really great posts you've made here. He lived life on his terms and didn't have to compromise his principles or morals like Arnold did. Arnold's alwyas had to play the chamaeleon,.blending in with the social milieu to retain his relevancy. Frank don't give a fuck
I agree entirely. Frank talked about the process of transformation from Armouring himself with muscle to character development in his book 'Fabulously Fit Forever'. I think if you could swing an interview with him that would be amazing. Given your depth of historical knowledge leading to penetrating questions and your solid interview skills. I think if ask him about his interests in Pychology especially Jungian archetypes he may be on board. Another great that I would like to see interviewed in a similar mould is Steve Davis.
I gave you a like because you talk in the way I think building my body naturally I never used anything to enhance my health only basic nutrition.
Great to hear .K.Jerome. I think it's the best approach to keep this sustainable for the long term. Health first. The rest will come. Thanks for watching and commenting
Great doc keep up the good work.
I really appreciate that Juan. More to come. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
This channel is so underrated. I just found it and I’ve been binging on these videos. Such original ideas and unique perspectives on the history of bodybuilding
Thanks man. I get frustrated when I see other channels putting in minimum effort and getting hundreds of thousands of views or even worse, I put a video out that gets ripped off by a bigger channel for the exact same content. I'll give this a few more months but then I might hang it up because it's too much time and work for no reward or recompense. Not complaining just it takes a lot of time and costs me a lot of money to do
Wicked video bro! Keep them coming... I love this and we need a lot more these badass old school videos keeping our Action Heroes alive.
Hey mate, thanks again for the kind words. Fired up to make more history based ones, but I wanna come at it from a different angle each time instead of just recounting the same old same old . Cheers again for watching
I have been training on and off since 1978 and is still hitting The gym - has never take any drugs - I just love The feeling of Well being The training gives me and The fact that I am still fit here at 63 - It just gives a better life quality to me. 😊
Nice - the benefits of training and undeniable. It should be inculcated in the young and a mandatory part of education just as the ancient Greeks espoused 2500 years ago.
I was a npc middleweight
In cal usa enjoyed this greatly thx on behalf of all
Iron warriors!
Anjinsan - the name of one of my favourite characters from James Clavelle's "Shogun" book. Glad you enjoyed it. There's more to come in my Pumping Iron series, so please subscribe if you like the Golden Era stuff. Did you compete recently? Thanks for commenting!
@@carvedouttastone no more competing im in my 50s ...got my pen name from the tv movie shogun anjinsan = pilot of the seas i was pilot student of the air....
This 3-part series was a very well-thought-out panorama of the subject. I also thought that your narration was excellent as well. You said that you discovered bodybuilding around 35 years ago. That would put you and I at about the same age. I remember when I was growing up that there was a new action movie in theaters at what seemed like every weekend. I loved it! At the same time, there was an awareness that the only way that those guys got that big was by using anabolic steroids. It was aspirational while at the same time being unattainable.
It was only later when I had the opportunity to watch the 50's and 60's 'Peplum' movies with guys like Steve Reeves that I saw what more natural body types looked like in action movies. I have actually come to appreciate these movies (again in a very 'warts and all' manner). I've shown pictures of Steve Reeves to women who had never even heard of him and their jaws fall open! The 'Bigorexia' look is repellant to everyone except those who also suffer from it.
Another interesting note is that years ago when I was able to read an essay about the Peplum movies, I found out that the Italian movie producers and script writers who worked on these movies were serious anti-Fascist types who had opposed the Mussolini regime during World War 2. This colored the content of those '50's and '60's Sword-and-Sandal flicks with content that held up Nationalism and Capitalism. Right from the beginning with the first Hercules starring Reeves, Peplum was an intentionally Right-wing movie genre. The fact that these stories were filtered through the stories and characters of ancient Greece and Rome allowed these messages to be palatable to movie-goers and to be 'hidden in plain sight' so to speak.
Steve Reeves always maintained that he was natural all throughout his career right up until he was injured on a movie set sometime in the '60's and was given some light, medical doses of a steroid in a Rome hospital in order to better recover from the injury. There are skeptics here but I am inclined to believe him. I think that steroids did not enter the Sword-and-Sandal movies until the arrival of Reg Park, who in his 'Hercules' movies was clearly not natural.
Great comment Steve and sharing some great facts. I truly believe Steve was natural also, (incidentally, did you know he turned down the starring role of A Fistful of Dollars? What a difference that would have been) despite Arnold's friend Alfred Busek saying that Reeves gave him steroids. We need to bring back the Peplum genre and the grand scale historical epic while we're at it - both are seemingly dead in modern cinema! Thanks again for commenting mate. I love reading your fact filled comments!
@@carvedouttastonegreat series and channel. You have blossomed from these early videos and doubled down on research and facts. A small correction tho, it was Arnold’s original trainer, Kurt Marnul-RIP, who claimed that Reeves taught him about steroids. There is actually an interview with him on the Golden Era, bookworm RUclips channel how long ago read about this supposed fact in the unauthorized biography of Arnold, by Wendy Leigh. I actually tend to believe Kurt, on that same channel they have now shown evidence that bodybuilders of the 40s, 50s, and 60s we’re all taking PE D’s of some sort. The poster above said that reg park was not natural but Steve Reeves was, incidentally, they both claimed lifetime natural….it’s hard to believe that Reg was natural I agree, but I don’t believe Reeves was either. People for some reason, think that these champions have some reason to tell the truth about using steroids, when they have every reason not to.
I'm impressed with your work brother, really good job for a first project. Well researched and edited, I hope to see more from you soon bud.
Thankyou for the thoughtful feedback mate. It's much appreciated. I've loved the movie and the topic for the past 35 years, so I can't wait to share more vids about this amazing era.
This is a great anthropological video essay. I've learned to derive great satisfaction and wellbeing from hard gym training. I know real soldiers who wage war in a neighboring country, so I don't use terms like battle, guns or pounding. I see bodybuilding as a masculine luxury, an abundance of metabolism and food that fuels and regeneratea the body. I fully know that the size of my muscles is a first world problem, I don't consider training to be any form of therapy, as training can easily derail into obsession and drug abuse. I am 34 and want to simply enjoy the power of a male body. The process of training is in itself a pretty interesting phenomenon and there is a lot of experimentation what works best, it's a good puzzle to solve
Again you make some fantastic points here mate and articulate things in a very astute way. The self experimentation is what keeps me hooked, especially with the human body/state always being in a state of flux and entropy. The philosophical/existential meditation of the sport is as you say, itself an interesting phenomenon. Thanks for watching
Tons of fascinating insights and thoughts! Great video, a return to the introspection and multifaceted approach of the Greeks seems called for. It’s interesting how you compare true sports as a test of masculinity versus bodybuilding, I’ve recently become interested in body building as due to injury I can no longer compete in my sport
Hi triarius. What sport were you playing before? I think Bodybuilding can be a good proxy for masculinity if it makes you feel better about yourself and it's kept in balanced perspective - it's all too common these days for guys to fall into the insecurity trap of using drugs to increase size at the expense of health and personal growth. Sounds like you have some experience and wisdom behind you, so the switch to Bodybuilding will probably be a great complement. The Greeks indeed had it right, but so did the golden era guys. Reading their "resumes", they were all so multifaceted - Bodybuilding was just one part of their overall, larger identities. Thanks again for your great comments. I love the thoughtful banter 👍💪
@@carvedouttastone I was a rower actually, and had a lot of fun with the sport. I was lucky enough to get to travel all over the USA and compete in some big name races and national championships. I can't race anymore, but I love the discipline of training and pushing myself. I have no real intention of competing in body building ad would never take steroids, but I'm looking for the next challenge, goals to train for, and to compete against myself.
Sadly, these days masculinity is seen as toxic but ironically the same traits are encouraged and applauded in women as a strength even though it is not natural to them.
Agreed. The problem I have is that the celebration of female empowerment in films and culture is so often done at the expense and denigration of the male characters.
I watched some Japanese Studio Ghibli films the other night, and they were able to feature strong, intelligent females without trashing or dunking on the male characters.
Thanks for commenting Marozi1 :-)
@@carvedouttastone I agree, modern feminism isnt about equality, its about having the advantage at the expense of men, they used to be able to do it, Aliens springs to mind, badass female character but the men are still badass too. Nowadays its a 90lb girl kicking a 250lb guys ass and it just looks ridiculous, I think modern writers have lost their senses and push the agenda above everything else.
Great videos btw, subbed 👍🏻
@@Marozi1 yeah, just thinking about the ridiculous over the top Galadriel in rings of power.
Yes I was thinking Ripley in aliens who is badass and believable. Like you said, these little 115lb girls throwing around 6'5, 280lb guys in films...yeah, not buying it. Never buying it. Thanks for subbing mate - much appreciated
I heard that show was a stinker? Best to avoid in your opinion?
Excellent and thought provoking. I am now 53yo,I do ask my longtime friends "do I look smaller?" kinda joking with them but you said it well, "losing mass is becoming less of a man." I jave known some local guys who used juice who died fairly young, one under 40yo the other under 50yo. I never identified as a BB, rather as a strength trainee (closet BB lol). Excellent series,some guys do take BB way too seriously. Viva the genetic superiors! I never used juice and very little supplements after high school. Au natural. You really nailed it.
HEY Walter, I really appreciate you watching and commenting on the video. We're around the same age so I can definitely relate to what you're saying. It's a large price to play for something as fleeting as a little bit of extra muscle for sure. It's great to be "big" but definitely not worth dying for! Cheers again!
After reading Fussel's book when it came out. It gave me a different look at bodybuilders and saw the 'sport' for what it was and put it into perspective. I still trained but no longer with the blind obsessive narcissistic pursuit
Fussel's book had a huge effect on how I saw the game moving forward also. I've never read a commentary on Bodybuilding more articulate than his with so much literary flair and metaphor. I just finished reading it again for about the 6th time and am making a video on it that hopefully turns out cool. Thanks for commenting Davey
@Carved Outta Stone there is an article on line about him because so many people were interested in him life after BB. He works as a diver.
Yes I think I saw that one. I'd love to get him on for an interview. Always been one of my wish list interviews as it's such an iconic book
Hi I know it's been a while since you commented but I was wondering if you could give any tips on how to train without an obsessive narcissistic pursuit.
@iagobrreal Don't train in front of mirrors don't even look at the mirrors
This video deserves millions of views. I got to know bodybuilding as a teen and for the exact reasons you mentioned and after 10 years I got sick of all those negative aspects you said in the video. Althought I have to confess that the idea of trainning to failure sounds less "egoistic" to me than the one of setting goals to lift certain amount of weight purely for the sake of it. I wonder if it's possible to lift at all without being concerned with how one looks.
Some people just like to train and stay in shape which more should do , even for 15 mins a day but some just like to train
It's all about loving what you do - results are nice though
Good video. All true.
At one time the AAU Mr America would have an interview process and athletic points, where you would have to compete in weightlifting or powerlifting in order to amass those points. Obviously, the better lifter you were the more points you would get.
I agree with that kind of scoring. Mr America wasn't a bodybuiding contest - it was a prize for the man subjectively epitomizing American masculinity. If he could lift, speak and present well, I'd say that's a well rounded man for the purpose of those criteria
Good 🌄 thesis and critique. 👹🙏
Great video as I said last time Arnold has been in my view the greatest contributer to steroid related deaths.
Thanks Mark. Arnold was astute enough to get out early, many not so fortunate.
@@carvedouttastone I think current "stars" need social media and need to be in reasonable shape or better than the last post year round. Hence more ped use.
Golden era bodybuilders had contracts and needed to be in shape for the publication of magazines much less frequently.
@@MarkCroucherRC4fun fair point. You'd think for social media they'd just take a heap of pics while in shape and then drip feed them throughout the year...no need to stay "on" continually and a safer way to take their foot off the PED gas pedal.
Very good doc. 15:57 What are we really considering the “pre-steroid era”? There is no doubt that many competitors in the 50s and 60s were also using steroids well before Arnold’s time. Much more reasonable cycle protocols likely kept those men living much longer than the current Resident Evil level gym/lab experiments we see today.
This is good and bad i was picked on i got huge now i dont get picked on.... maybe my mind woulda done the same idk A to B
I think we all feel a little more secure in our self built fortresses of muscle. At the same time, many of us also feel we need ever more to maintain that same feeling. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Its true.
Attempt to be a hyper individual superman or workers of the world unite...
Be the chess player, not the chess piece 🏋️❤️
I think bodybuilding as a culture can encourage men and women to focus on control of their aesthetics because of inadequacy or struggles elsewhere. Both women and men may feel powerless and address that by building muscle and strength as a form of control. The difference is men are "supposed" to be strong while it's not as "natural" for women to do that. Then of course there's the economic incentives nowadays.
Great points Mahogany Goddess.
The ancient Greeks had the concept of "askesis" which guided their training aimed at transforming or overcoming the self via the self. This was intertwined with the overarching cultural goal of arete - the principle of focusing on the quality of everything one does and experiences with excellence.
I believe the "form of control" you mentioned has an innate connection to these qualities, as it can be embodied as a form of positive masculinity for men or positive femininity for women.
I think ultimately, the choice to engage in bodybuilding should come from a place of self-care and self-empowerment, rather than external pressures or societal expectations.
Thanks for commenting :-)
@Carved Outta Stone I agree with you. Unfortunately most people are not informed about arete, eudaimonia and the like so it gets reduced to external self care and wellbeing being purely aesthetic and not the necessary mental and physical growth and maturity the Greeks may have been encouraging. Of course, not everyone is in the pursuit of this too🙃
Hello I am from Argentina. Your channel is very interesting! Do you think that if Arnold had not existed, bodybuilding would have spread naturally? Maybe because of Stallone or Vandamme?
Thank you Lucas. No, I think Arnold was the single biggest driving force.behind Bodybuilding and eventually fitness becoming as popular as it did. He dragged it out of the dark and made it cool by virtue of his charisma. The rest of those people piggy backed off his success
Good but a little bit negative towards the end.Most people who train gain lifelong friends and a love for exercise and realise that Mr Olympia is not on the cards for them.Great video though, congratulations 👍
Thanks for the comment and the feedback. Yes the lifelong friends are the best, but the social aspect of gyms has changed tremendously over time. I wonder if many people still find those great friends and comraderie like we did 20-30 years ago
Thanks for the reply, however I think your excellent body of work and the people liking and commenting on it gives us reason for optimism,all the best!💪
@@edcraske1655 it's great to have encouraging and thoughtful comments like yours to respond to. Unlike most RUclips comment sections which can be a cesspool, I'm happy that my vids are attracting the attention of more intelligent and respectful viewers. Thanks again
Reagan was a actor so he just did that he didnt use the chainsaw other then that picture same with the axe , and it was like Jimmy Carter carrying empty suitcases so he would look like a every kind of guy like you & me he never broke a sweat after he became the president other then on a hot day .
Have you delved into the mindset of women who aspire to what can only be described as a hyper masculinized physique?
That video is coming soon :-)
Ou as de Juice?
I disagree with the whole notion of "fighting for a higher purpose" making you more masculine. Thats an idea that was proppgandized to make it seem manly and cool to fight political battles for the government in oppose to fighting for your loved ones. I think its more masculine to provide for and to protect your family, just as our wild ancestors did in africa
Fighting can be metaphorical. "Providing for your ancestors, just like they did in Africa", would have still involved considerable struggle and at times, frequent bouts of fighting and warfare.
Thanks for commenting 😊
Out of Africa theory has been debunked
@@woahblackbettybamalam Regardless of where humans evolved from, my point still stands. Thats interesting though I didn't realize it was debunked and I actually had to do a lot of digging to find what you were talking about. Its still kinda up for debate but with the new evidence its no longer so cut and dry that we came from africa
@@masterdingus7074 The main issue is Africans have a dna of a (ghost species) that no other race on the planet has. We would all have it if we came from Africa. Robert Sepher is a good source
We Done ! At Least he's putting Sanity back into the Bizarre Cultural mass Hypnosis !
Hmm intradesting
Thanks for watching Raf
Steroids too risky imo, trt makes your body dependent on it. natural bodybuilding and fitness all the way
Best to get the most naturally. If you need to go further for competition or sport, then a little assistance isn't detrimental
I recognize Arnold’s accomplishments thought diet and drugs, but he like so many is a bullshitter. Body building is and always will be an unhealthy arena.
I love this series but I think you’re wrong around 4:20. The new era of strong female characters in media definitely is changing gender role understandings but I think it more pushing men into an “eye roll patriarchal” attitude, kinda like letting kids play dress up while men work. The same attitude I imagine smart women have when observing men obsessed with their own physicality.
Thanks for the support. Can you explain what you mean a little bit more?
My time stamp is ahead by 25 sec, you say that the strong female characters are asserting new gender roles, but in those same movies they reaffirm the same roles strong men have always had in cinema. The only time women beat men in any of the superhero/ spy movies is when the men are incompetent or dumb. You never see female characters beating someone like Conan. Or the terminator. Or rocky. This “female empowerment” isn’t that at all it just reaffirms the same gender roles everyone is used to. What it’s done is made the “snarky girl badass” a cool thing, which is great, but at the same time the women I see in the real world trying to assert themselves in a similar vein seem rediculous, campy, and with an unhealthy dose of male focused antagonism. The same kind of silliness that reeks from frat star ego lifters and many insecure bodybuilders. It would seem the physical empowerment of ego is an appealing tone for many who feel powerless in the world around them. I would say that rather than Hollywood reflecting a cultural change and switching up the gender norms, Hollywood is instead capitalizing on the ubiquitous appeal of physically dominating individuals even if in reality it brings said individuals nothing but the superficial attributes of the “role models” presented
I disagree with your claim that bodybuilding fails miserably in pursuit of the good. "The good" has many meanings, yes, but here it would probably be something like "essence or beauty"...as the Greeks would put it. It's as if you're saying an artist fails miserably every time he paints a canvas.
Never said that
It's sad what has happened to masculinity and what is happening with toxic feminism. Disgusting.
10:39 --- "I want....... I like... you know in Ironman?" lol
Would be a horrible life fact to be forever known as "the little guy" because of Arnold Schwarzenegger 😂
@@carvedouttastone The " little guy" ( in height) actually became quite large ( relative to his height and bone structure)and worked for Nautilus for many years.
Do you remember his height because up against arnold he looked miniature 😁
@@carvedouttastone about 5'"6" more or less. There is at least 1 video on RUclips about him. His name is Wes Brown.
Yes I saw that great interview. 5'6...shit that makes me "the little guy 2.0" then I guess
Ну и ахинею тут наворотили
Blah blah blah - what’s this? Philosophical meandering?
@@carvedouttastone define “channel”
Carry on then, mate.
You too daddy O 😚💘