Interesting start to the new year! AMD also has their RX 7600 XT 16GB which we will hopefully get our hands on too. Though going out for a used parts hunt now, perhaps we can get some SUPER deals before this launch!
How can they sell the 4070ti super in Australia for $1500 when the 4070ti sold for $1200. I thought the MSRP were same for both , it doesn't make sense.
@@FATBOY_. taxes and fluctuations in the usd and aud, in japan its also the same as USd to jpy fluctuates, Founders Edition Cards are MSRP at launch. Availabilty is always very much a chance at the lottery. Aib partners have to find a way to try and match the clocks of the better binned chips on the FE cards, and just makeing the cards they have more visually sexy for your enjoyment, or bragging rights. And costs go up as they can not really cut corners too much, as Nvidia does. My jaw has dropped so many times over the years at what is MSRP, and what the cards go for outside the US. Hope I was of help.
@@FATBOY_. and @RAM_845 !Bingo the 4070ti super is more than likely the 4080 canceled 12gb card from last October, with the vram added. Since it does have the weaker silicone from the 4080. They had allot of time to kill while trying to push the remainders of the 30 series cards. I hope they at least repasted the bad boys.
Typically GPU performance difference within a GPU generation of a vendor has been average between flops and bandwidth. So 10% more flops and 33% more bandwidth would mean on average 26% more performance. With large GPU caches, the balance between those two is that with lower resolutions bandwidth doesn't matter as much but with higher resolutions it becomes more important.
no kidding , that would have been way more awesome than Ti-Super , oh meh well nvidia hasn't used teh Ultra moniker since teh geforce 2 or geforce 3 back in the early 2000's (can't remember which they stopped using it on)
I think Nvidia missed the opportunity to put the 7900XTX out of business by not giving the 4080 Super 20GB of Vram, that would have been quite a killer deal for people specially focused on content creation or that make heavy use of CUDA accelerated apps.
Giving 20 GB to the 4080 SUPER would mean they'll have to move the 4080 SUPER to AD102 and the AD102 chip has an incredibly high demand since AI companies are buying them up like hot cakes. Why do you think the RTX 4090 prices skyrocketed up to $2,000 or higher?
I don't understand the obsession with VRAM, even for 4k 16GB is still decent, in the future it might start to strain but for this generation its perfectly fine, most people don't even game 4k anyways so whats even the point in putting so much focus on it.
ROFL, I expected 4080 Super to put up a fight, but it's dead on arrival in many markets, including AU where the MSRP is "Starting at AUD 1,870, Coming Jan 31" according to Nvidia's website. Current cheapest 4080 is about AUD 1800. I wonder where did the 200 USD (almost 300 AUD) price cut go.
Ok ! So i have the 3070 on x3800 amd cpu 1440p 165 hrz monitor Tell me when we get X070 how can run 4k 165hrz monitor Looks like we are stuck with 1440p on ray tracing that anyway no one use….
That's me. Got 4080 over a year ago. Had fun beating hell a lot of games with it already so screw that $200. The driver nerf was a myth proven over and over again. Imagine them trying to nerf 4080 and it happens to 4080 Super as well because it's exactly the same chip. Used 4080's are selling for $1100 - $1200 on Ebay but I won't even bother for 5% cuda increase.
It became 900 like a month into its release tho and now it has an official $50 price cut so im very unsure what you're rushed about? I havent watched the whole vid so im not sure if he mentioned this but the 4070 non super is NOT getting discontinued
@@Frozoken the rush is I plan to buy a gpu in the next week or 2 not sure if I should force myself to hold off for no reason or if it wait a week or 2 will we see further cuts to the standard 4070. and will the 4070 super be 900. coz if so thats not a bad deal. imo
@@chadsugden411 Yeah that I can't tell. I really hope theyre forced to overcorrect to a 1.5x exchange rate once again but the value is better this time so we'll have to see if they cave or not. Tbf the 4070 probably won't go much lower as it's kind of already at $550usd including our gst so if that's all you need then it's probably worth it if you're on holidays.
@@Frozoken I’m back at work now, yeah the ASUS tuf one I been looking at just dropped about $70 in the last week I’ll see what happens in the next 5 days and probably purchase one
@@chadsugden411 Is it worth the premium. The triple fan pny xlr8 is at 900 now which is actually new. I don't see a reason to pay more when u have an uppermid range aib model at the price floor.
In Australia im looking to upgrade from Titan X Pascal would you say wait for a potential 5070/ti late this year or early next year or jump in now for 4070ti super?
Next gen is probably a year and a half away at least... so you could spend that time having an enjoyable gaming experience, or wait for a possible card that may end up being ridiculously expensive anyway. It's why I bought a 4090 when they came out; I wanted to have the best gaming experience I could afford and I got that while others waited with the expectation prices would return to 2015 levels but they never did and now the same 4090 I bought is more expensive than it was when I bought it lol
Navida lied to us.. thay said tge super series will be cheaper to compete with AMD but over in the UK the super series are the same price as the original 4080.. so navida basically ment we will sell to retailer cheaper but charge customers the same... the standed 4080 was 1200... but the 4080 super is 1200 aswell so no price drop.... AMD with 24gb vram is the much better choice
Yeah, Oz prices are BS. Not sure how they expect to sell them localy at that much of a mark up if we can just order internationally and save a few hundred dollars.
I just purchased a new gaming PC for 1K on the dot with a standard 4070 is that good enough? If not what should I consider getting strictly for vidya gaemz?
I gotta sell my 3 5" race drones along with 3", 2.5", and tons of accessories including charger so I can fix my 87 300zx and more. I'm struggling and want a eBay store if I can't get it done I'm screwed. I don't even have a desktop or monitor since the fire. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me get. Desktop or laptop to help get on my feet I even have a spider farmer growth tent complete that must go and lose my plants.i was building/flipping PC's thanks to Bryan on my own searches. Making great progress before the flu. God please help me, I know you called me hear but I'm crumbling ànd lost love y'all
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
I said it before. RTX 4000 Super changes nothing. If you thought it was overpriced, it's still overpriced. If you're hesitant about buying, you're still not buying. Why spend $999 on a GPU that will be replaced by next generation stuff in less than a year making your "high end" GPU into a mid tier one? The price gouging madness has to stop and the only way to do that is to stop buying. They only reason Nvidia even released the Supers is because of the abysmal sales even after Nvidia attempted to throttle supply.
@@cybersamiches4028 Yeah and we will have RTX 3000, 4000, and 5000 all on sale at the same time. Might be the first time 3 generations in production and sale at the same time.
Doesn't every GPU get replaced by next generation stuff in less than a year? of course when new GPUs come out the last years generation wouldn't be "high tier" anymore
@Volker_A4 eh I have been seeing 750 to 900. Also remember they draw nearly twice as much power. The 70ti super is not a bad deal if you can get it for around msrp. I would be very cautious around those $600 3090s. Probably abused the entire time/something wrong with them.
It will be insanely hard to find at that price i'd bet. We have to get over the fact that higher GPU prices are here to stay until better architecture is found.
Even the regular 4070 ti is toe to toe with the rx 7900xt (ignoring the vram capacity but focusing on raw and RT performance) at $100 cheaper, does that mean that the 7800xt, sorry the 7900xt is ALSO overpriced? hell yeah. Both Nvidia and AMD screwed the naming and pricing for their GPUs
Agreed. $550 is a bit much. I was expecting it to go lower than that as the prices of the 4070 was already at $550 for a few months before the announcement. Here's to hoping the price goes further down now that the official MSRP has gone down. But I highly doubt it will.
I also expect the 4070 to go down to 500 or below naturally. As many people will buy the 4070 super or 7800xt( assuming amd card prices will also go down).
Yeah the value of the 4070 makes no sense at the MSRP. 4070 Super looks to be at least 20% faster yet only cost less than 10% more. 4070 needs at least another $50 cut.
The 4070 Super will be around 10-15% faster than the regular 4070. 20% more shaders doesn't mean 20% more performance, it has never been a linear ratio.@@johnmoore1495
@@Shaf-ci4om nobody buys GPUs because they are 3-4 times overpriced compared to pre-mining prices, they don't print money anymore yet still have mining-era prices and 0 progress per $.
considering we're past the midpoint of the current generation cycle, no this isn't really much of a "deal". These should have been the prices to begin with in 2022.
Supply and demand if they weren’t selling then they would drop in price. Modern high end GPUs will never be cheaper and less in demand than they are at this moment. The silicon will be diverted to AI and Server products before they start releasing latest process node monolithic specialized parallel processors with the fastest memory available and software and driver set to make gaming experience the best on the market. I think it’s actually amazing you can get a 4090 for $1600.00 it’s a marvel of engineering and overall implementation. There is no other hobby I know of where you can buy the best option in the world for that hobby for under 2k… and if you don’t want the best 30 series are still great options and a 4070 is basically a more power effecient 3080 with 12gigs of vram. 12gigs is plenty for that power of card and it’s priced decent at $600 …if you want cheaper you go with a 30 series for best bang for buck but a 3080 used is still going for $450ish…
@@JoeWayne84 it's a square of silicon with a cooler around it. A PC component. A graphics accelerator that can't function standalone. Marketing and branding made you think it's worth more than it actually is.
@@JoeWayne84 very high on shillium so no. they actually can't sell it, GPU sales worldwide are @20 years low and dropping. they've cut TSMC orders. there's no competition for any silicon between corporations. because people are stopping buying 0 progress insane overprice. AI is a gimmick nobody needs overpriced af hardware for AI. but they also don't want to sell GPUs.
@@Ernismeister it’s something that AMD and Intel can’t seem to do as well… and it’s Nvidias main product and has it at a 1.4 trillion US dollar market cap.. hahaha yeah it’s just a piece of silicon… Man I wish I had the deluded self confidence you possess to reply on the internet with such an amazing lack of self awareness of your own ignorance.
@@taiphvql $1900 includes GST (tax) but even if you account for that in the MSRP the 4080S is still over $1100 USD and the 4080 is closer to $1000. Personally I wouldn’t buy either, but I also don’t know why anyone would buy the 4070TiS for $1599 when you can buy the 4080 for $1799
@@inmypaantsExactly they're doing like 1.9x usd to aud conversions when it's actually 1.65x on the dot currently and has been around there for a while (including gst in conversions ofc)
None of the Super cards are deals. MAYBE the 70 ti Super...But if AMD drops the prices on the 7900 XT and XTX then the Super series wont move the needle.
@@UKKNGaming The XTX will not have a chance against the 80 Super at $1000. XT would need to be $750 USD & the XTX $850 in order to suffocate the 70 ti Super which doesnt have a Founders Edition, meaning that $800 wont actually be its MSRP.
Great informative video Brian. Great seeing you showing how stupid the pricing is here in Aussie. Bought my current RTX3070 for $520au of fb market place when they were still going for $900+ new. That looks like the way to go to get a 4070 at the moment.
Like with every other product in the 4000 series stack, this is at least $100 more expensive than it should be. Nvidia is just letting time make people get accustomed to their overpriced skews and acting like these are good deals. If Nvidia keeps insisting on acting and pricing this way, I won't be buying their products in the future and others are going to stop paying as well. AMD has come a long way, Intel is improving drastically, if Nvidia keeps this up, they'll price themselves out of the market.
@@christophervanzetta There's a big difference in AI and gaming/productivity GPUs, the 4000 series is barely an improvement over the 3000 except in pricing. And don't kid yourself, pricing these cards so high for so little gain will bite them eventually. Inflation hits everyone, and discretionary spending shrinks because of that. So, either they can use their silicon for AI which is the smart business move, or they can use it for GPUs. Gouging their customer base will catch up to them sooner or later.
I paid 709.99 for xfx 7900xt plus my Amazon rewards of $80 and got Avatar for free. Honestly it plays Cyberpunk 1440 ultra native ,increased traffic, population, and hd rework mods with preem lut lighting plus ray tracing always locked @ 60fps i can lower serttings and go 4k 60 as well. But the utter smooth and heavy effects at 1440p are amazing. I come from a GTX 1080 so i think the AMD 7900xt is an exceptional offering at 700 or subpar which it will be soon.
"RTX 4070 Super Pricing... Is it REALLY a Deal?" it's only a deal for nvidia because they yet again get to sale consumers a 600 dollar video card that only has 12 gb vram in 2024. i really don't see people jumping at this card even if it beats the 7800xt in raw raster performance , it's still knee capped by only having 12 gb of vram. games that will run on the 7800xt fine on ultra settings will crash on this more expensive card when at those same settings. ... now the 4070 ti super and the 4080 super i expect those will sell better.
I'm set on a 4070 ti super for my build im planning on getting together in the nest 5 months.. But my question is, should I get it as soon as it comes out, or wait 5-6 months? Will the price go down you think, or go up in that time?
The analogy with the grain of poppy seed seems inaccurate if you wanted to emphasize that we should have a higher level of skepticism towards manufacturer’s benchmarks. Should be opposite, like ‘boulder of salt’.
It's funny how nvidia are still going along with these stupid prices. If they made prices reasonable like the 10 series was they wouldn't be struggling to sell cards
So between each card there is only margin 15% of performance (and well more VRAM), so 4070 to 4070S is 15% performance, 4070S to 4070TiS will be 15% and VRAM, 4070Ti to 4080S is 15% performance (fi not at all due to UV of 4070TiS of same chip). For each bump in performance you pay 200€. Talk about not wanting to cut into sales of 4090, just wait for 5000 series, if you can, if not grab lowest possible, as H1 2025 we will be seeing 5000 series.
No deal..... in my opinion it is still a 60 class selling for a 70 class price. Just look at the specs for the whole lineup. The 4080 should have been based on the AD102 chip and not the AD103 on which the 4070 should have been based.
4070 super should be 499$ MSRP, @ that price a lot more people will buy it, but i guess Nvidia doesn't care anymore, since they make big bank with AI bubble.
$1000 for an 80-class card and $800 for a 70ti-class card is still absurd but... Because the 40xx series was so bad and because AMD is blidnly following we had the worst generation ever so that's why this Super series looks like a Super deal. Suddenly people will be able to buy 4080-ish performance for $800 instead of $1200 which is 50% more! These GPUs are still overpriced but look good just because of how bad Vanilla cards were.
when nvidia had a pricecut when the 7800 xt got released. it just shows the price of nvidia gpus are really just imaginary inflation. they can get lower than 15$ we all know that by now, but they wont because they really are that greedy
Not a buy for me. New doesn't always mean better. I gauge performance against budget and this isn't a take for me. Gamers need to make a stand NOW!!! SHAREHOLDERS ARE DRIVING THE PRICES UP not the people who understand and enjoy hobbies such as building PCs. Gaming isn't a necessity in life so why pay absorbent amounts of hard-earned dollars as if??? Let's get back to basics performance against prices. Tell greedy shareholders NO!
Nvidia should just have a RTX "ULTRA OVERPRICED" Series...(but then they'd be selling a product and actually telling the truth about its specifications I guess!)
Price checking in the UK and the 4070ti super is like £950 how is this MSRP. They say it's 7.99 😂 the 4070s is also above 600. The 4080 is said to be 999.00 but it's actually over a 1000 a strix 4070ti super I've seen listed for over 1300!!! Gtfo.
MSRP doesn't mean anything anymore, even if it does any non US country gets screwed even more with pricing. Australia we're almost paying double, sickening.
Too little, way too late. Gamers, if that is your target market, have moved on. Those that can afford, 4080 or these super dupers do it to flex. Every channel building with 16Gb video cards should at least benchmark games to show why they went with the NGreedia cards. FOMO
You guys get all the cool cars that we never did in the states, let us have our diacount....jk, ya that blows how they're price gouging the rest of the world it seems like 😢
price estimates are absolutely worthless nowadays for several reasons. first of all - nvidia cant be trusted with pricing. they want people who already just bought a card of them to sell it now and hope to get the next new thing of them for the same money. they lied to customers big time with the RTX3000 release and many ended up havin no gpu at all for over a year. secondly, for all the people who take pride in theyre build and only buy cards with a well designed cooler, the demand will drive the prices up. prices for sought after custom designs could be 500 dollar higher than the most simple build cards. (for example the MSI 4070 GamingX Trio sells for 1300 here in europe now.)
Why does Austria get screwed over on all things nerd. You guys have to over pay for video games, GPUs, even Warhammer products. Doesn’t seem right to me.
Too many RUclips-er’s wanting stuff for free is what raising the prices up. I wish I had a chart and showing prices and the rise of RUclipsrs. And show you a correlation.
I'm excited for what this will do to the 2nd hand market. I just picked up a 4GB RX 570 ITX for a relative for £45, I expect by April/May these new cards will push stuff like RX 5700s to/below £100, GTX 1070s to around £65 and 1060 6GBs finally to about £50 where they should be at. The post-covid snail paced product cycle made it so that affordable (below £100/$100) cards are actually end of life and have lost driver support. We need a shakeup in the market.
I really wouldn't bother with cards older than the 2060 Super/2070/Radeon RX 5700xt tbh - they will be too slow for current gen games. Pascal has pretty much had its day , then 1080ti is putting up a hell of a fight but it's too old.
I agree with your point though about the lack of price/performance improvements in the mid-range/entry level is to blame for this. A card like the 2060 should be £100 at most by now.
I dont know dude, this cards are not targeted at gamers with this prices, maybe content creators that stream. Most popular games dont need this horse power and consumption. They have become luxury items in the industry, just poping something new so nerds can spend some extra money instead of investing that money. imho
It won't it's like 10% slower because of the core and cache deficit. With an OC you'd get in the ballpark, i'm sure. However stock you're losing a quarter of the cache, 1300 cuda cores and like 6% mem bandwidth but with like 5% higher core clock speed.
Got fed up with the piss poor performance of the 4070 ti and just bought a 4090 yesterday, and boy did it blow it out of the water; I'm skipping everything until the 70 series LOL
Excited to see slightly more value and options but I'm not upgrading my 3080 until the 50 series at this point. Looking for 100% performance or more for $1K USD or less as when I jumped from the 5700XT it was close to that level of performance uplift.
Same here. Not upgrading unless I can get 2x the performance of a 3080. VRAM won’t be an issue as many want you to believe in the future except for niche applications.
@@christophervanzetta yeah I play at 1440P most of the time and haven't ran into too many issues. Still can play at high to ultra settings and get over 60fps. I have yet to play a game with 3080 where I'm like man, this performance is bad and I need to upgrade 😂
Interesting start to the new year! AMD also has their RX 7600 XT 16GB which we will hopefully get our hands on too. Though going out for a used parts hunt now, perhaps we can get some SUPER deals before this launch!
How can they sell the 4070ti super in Australia for $1500 when the 4070ti sold for $1200. I thought the MSRP were same for both , it doesn't make sense.
@@FATBOY_. taxes and fluctuations in the usd and aud, in japan its also the same as USd to jpy fluctuates, Founders Edition Cards are MSRP at launch. Availabilty is always very much a chance at the lottery. Aib partners have to find a way to try and match the clocks of the better binned chips on the FE cards, and just makeing the cards they have more visually sexy for your enjoyment, or bragging rights. And costs go up as they can not really cut corners too much, as Nvidia does. My jaw has dropped so many times over the years at what is MSRP, and what the cards go for outside the US. Hope I was of help.
@RAM_845 Nvidia won't give more vram for cheap , plus the 4070 ti super is made from the 4080 silicon.
@@FATBOY_. and @RAM_845 !Bingo the 4070ti super is more than likely the 4080 canceled 12gb card from last October, with the vram added. Since it does have the weaker silicone from the 4080. They had allot of time to kill while trying to push the remainders of the 30 series cards. I hope they at least repasted the bad boys.
Typically GPU performance difference within a GPU generation of a vendor has been average between flops and bandwidth. So 10% more flops and 33% more bandwidth would mean on average 26% more performance. With large GPU caches, the balance between those two is that with lower resolutions bandwidth doesn't matter as much but with higher resolutions it becomes more important.
They should've just re-introduced the ultra moniker instead of calling it a Ti Super
no kidding , that would have been way more awesome than Ti-Super , oh meh well nvidia hasn't used teh Ultra moniker since teh geforce 2 or geforce 3 back in the early 2000's (can't remember which they stopped using it on)
who cares though lul
Should have gone with the TI-Ultra-Super moniker.........considering there is absolutely nothing super or ultra about any of them!
Now if there were only some decent games to run these on.
I think Nvidia missed the opportunity to put the 7900XTX out of business by not giving the 4080 Super 20GB of Vram, that would have been quite a killer deal for people specially focused on content creation or that make heavy use of CUDA accelerated apps.
Giving 20 GB to the 4080 SUPER would mean they'll have to move the 4080 SUPER to AD102 and the AD102 chip has an incredibly high demand since AI companies are buying them up like hot cakes. Why do you think the RTX 4090 prices skyrocketed up to $2,000 or higher?
Tbh vram isn't everything. That's why Nvidia reduced the price by $200 from the 4080.
I don't understand the obsession with VRAM, even for 4k 16GB is still decent, in the future it might start to strain but for this generation its perfectly fine, most people don't even game 4k anyways so whats even the point in putting so much focus on it.
@@MontySlythonI have a 3070 and there are only 3 titles that goes over the VRAM.
ROFL, I expected 4080 Super to put up a fight, but it's dead on arrival in many markets, including AU where the MSRP is "Starting at AUD 1,870, Coming Jan 31" according to Nvidia's website.
Current cheapest 4080 is about AUD 1800. I wonder where did the 200 USD (almost 300 AUD) price cut go.
I could buy two RX 7800 XT cards for the rumoured price of the 4080 Super
Except the real RX 7800 XT are actually the RX 7900 GRE
And the 4080 SUPER would still be twice as fast as a 7800 XT...
Ok !
So i have the 3070 on x3800 amd cpu
1440p 165 hrz monitor
Tell me when we get X070 how can run 4k 165hrz monitor
Looks like we are stuck with 1440p on ray tracing that anyway no one use….
Me watching these videos like I’ll replace my 3080ti anytime soon lol. I paid £1200 for it a while back, crazy huh.
Whats a little while? Because they've e been on ebay for half that for the past 3 years.
i paid 650$ for a 3090 SUPRIM X a while back
@@theandroidsI'm fairly sure a 2.5 years old gpu has NOT gone for half that for the past 3 years...
got a Keychron Q1 Pro sponsored ad
A 4070ti is actually cheaper than the cheapest 4070 Super right now in Australia. Why would anyone buy the Super? Crazy...
i just like the way it looks
Imagine spending 1200$ on a gpu (4080) only for it to be discontinued so soon and also is probably gonna get nerfed with drivers.
That's me. Got 4080 over a year ago. Had fun beating hell a lot of games with it already so screw that $200. The driver nerf was a myth proven over and over again. Imagine them trying to nerf 4080 and it happens to 4080 Super as well because it's exactly the same chip. Used 4080's are selling for $1100 - $1200 on Ebay but I won't even bother for 5% cuda increase.
Hey Marco!! After watching the vid a few dozen times get your bootie to the Polls if you have not already.
689 euro's in finland, very expensive imo
I’m from Australia, would you suggest jumping on a 4070 now. While you can get them for 900ish AUD.
Or should I wait for the super to drop next week.
It became 900 like a month into its release tho and now it has an official $50 price cut so im very unsure what you're rushed about? I havent watched the whole vid so im not sure if he mentioned this but the 4070 non super is NOT getting discontinued
@@Frozoken the rush is I plan to buy a gpu in the next week or 2 not sure if I should force myself to hold off for no reason or if it wait a week or 2 will we see further cuts to the standard 4070. and will the 4070 super be 900. coz if so thats not a bad deal. imo
@@chadsugden411 Yeah that I can't tell. I really hope theyre forced to overcorrect to a 1.5x exchange rate once again but the value is better this time so we'll have to see if they cave or not. Tbf the 4070 probably won't go much lower as it's kind of already at $550usd including our gst so if that's all you need then it's probably worth it if you're on holidays.
@@Frozoken I’m back at work now, yeah the ASUS tuf one I been looking at just dropped about $70 in the last week I’ll see what happens in the next 5 days and probably purchase one
@@chadsugden411 Is it worth the premium. The triple fan pny xlr8 is at 900 now which is actually new. I don't see a reason to pay more when u have an uppermid range aib model at the price floor.
In Australia im looking to upgrade from Titan X Pascal would you say wait for a potential 5070/ti late this year or early next year or jump in now for 4070ti super?
5070
Because roughly they will match it vth 4090 or better than 4080 super ti max ultra gpu
I am not sure, I have heard rumors of a RTX 5090 coming out as early as march but will see.
when the 5070ti drops its gonna be very expensive as gpus always are on launch. Probably better off buying a 4070tis
Next gen is probably a year and a half away at least... so you could spend that time having an enjoyable gaming experience, or wait for a possible card that may end up being ridiculously expensive anyway. It's why I bought a 4090 when they came out; I wanted to have the best gaming experience I could afford and I got that while others waited with the expectation prices would return to 2015 levels but they never did and now the same 4090 I bought is more expensive than it was when I bought it lol
yuh will b waiting for 2 yrs
Navida lied to us.. thay said tge super series will be cheaper to compete with AMD but over in the UK the super series are the same price as the original 4080.. so navida basically ment we will sell to retailer cheaper but charge customers the same... the standed 4080 was 1200... but the 4080 super is 1200 aswell so no price drop.... AMD with 24gb vram is the much better choice
Yeah, Oz prices are BS. Not sure how they expect to sell them localy at that much of a mark up if we can just order internationally and save a few hundred dollars.
Tie Super ... damn that's mouthful 😂 What's wrong with this nvidia ...
No, it's not a "good deal". It's just further conditioning of the consumer base.
For a moment I thought you were from the USA.
You make good reviews to recommend
4080 Super is exciting
I just purchased a new gaming PC for 1K on the dot with a standard 4070 is that good enough? If not what should I consider getting strictly for vidya gaemz?
Too late I bought 4070 already.
The closest you will be getting to a deal, is by buying last gen.
Yeah. I will buy an RTX 3090(/ti) used.
Nah 499 gpu at most.
Pfff we're truly living in clown world, led by not only clown politicians but also by clown business CEOs l🤡
I gotta sell my 3 5" race drones along with 3", 2.5", and tons of accessories including charger so I can fix my 87 300zx and more. I'm struggling and want a eBay store if I can't get it done I'm screwed. I don't even have a desktop or monitor since the fire. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me get. Desktop or laptop to help get on my feet I even have a spider farmer growth tent complete that must go and lose my plants.i was building/flipping PC's thanks to Bryan on my own searches. Making great progress before the flu. God please help me, I know you called me hear but I'm crumbling ànd lost love y'all
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel
No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel
No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel
No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel
No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Feel you buddy. My gpu broken just 2 months after the prices exploded 3 years ago. I had to buy a crappy one for work I can't even play games with. Didn't get easier in my life. I still have no new gpu and my system is over 10 years old now. Can't even prototype games anymore because one of my hard drives died and the other one has only 60gb lel
No clue what god means by this but I really miss gaming.
Them keeping the 4080 and lowering the price to be competitive would be smarter.
New launch always sells better and they had to make it catch up to 7900XTX in raster.
prices are still too high but all the youtube creators have to talk nicely about it or they wont get there free sample cards
well, i think it is sadly more about inflation, things now cost more, and nvidia abused with prices also
Hey that’s business lol
I said it before. RTX 4000 Super changes nothing. If you thought it was overpriced, it's still overpriced. If you're hesitant about buying, you're still not buying. Why spend $999 on a GPU that will be replaced by next generation stuff in less than a year making your "high end" GPU into a mid tier one? The price gouging madness has to stop and the only way to do that is to stop buying. They only reason Nvidia even released the Supers is because of the abysmal sales even after Nvidia attempted to throttle supply.
Doesn't matter how many times you say rubbish ,, it is still rubbish
Rtx 5090-$2500 MSRP. More than likely 😢
@@cybersamiches4028 Yeah and we will have RTX 3000, 4000, and 5000 all on sale at the same time. Might be the first time 3 generations in production and sale at the same time.
Doesn't every GPU get replaced by next generation stuff in less than a year? of course when new GPUs come out the last years generation wouldn't be "high tier" anymore
Both of my RTX 4090's are faster than any card you will ever touch or own. Have a nice day
No. It doesn't come with Tech YES Lovin built in.
The 4070 Ti Super is cool, but the price is still INSANE...
Have you seen how much $$$ the 3090 and 3090 Ti are selling for on the used market?
@@GamevetI regularly see $600 3090s
@Volker_A4 eh I have been seeing 750 to 900. Also remember they draw nearly twice as much power. The 70ti super is not a bad deal if you can get it for around msrp. I would be very cautious around those $600 3090s. Probably abused the entire time/something wrong with them.
It will be insanely hard to find at that price i'd bet. We have to get over the fact that higher GPU prices are here to stay until better architecture is found.
Even the regular 4070 ti is toe to toe with the rx 7900xt (ignoring the vram capacity but focusing on raw and RT performance) at $100 cheaper, does that mean that the 7800xt, sorry the 7900xt is ALSO overpriced? hell yeah. Both Nvidia and AMD screwed the naming and pricing for their GPUs
No it's not a deal. There were also no changes to being some more stuff down below 500/400. 4070 should definitely get a bit lower.
Agreed. $550 is a bit much. I was expecting it to go lower than that as the prices of the 4070 was already at $550 for a few months before the announcement. Here's to hoping the price goes further down now that the official MSRP has gone down. But I highly doubt it will.
I also expect the 4070 to go down to 500 or below naturally. As many people will buy the 4070 super or 7800xt( assuming amd card prices will also go down).
Yeah the value of the 4070 makes no sense at the MSRP. 4070 Super looks to be at least 20% faster yet only cost less than 10% more. 4070 needs at least another $50 cut.
The 4070 Super will be around 10-15% faster than the regular 4070. 20% more shaders doesn't mean 20% more performance, it has never been a linear ratio.@@johnmoore1495
@@Shaf-ci4om nobody buys GPUs because they are 3-4 times overpriced compared to pre-mining prices, they don't print money anymore yet still have mining-era prices and 0 progress per $.
The prices went from INSANE to just being high :D I mean 4070 Ti Super seems like an amazing card, but for 599$ max.
Making you pay at least 799 to have a card with 16gb is so incredibly sad. Was hoping an upgrade to the 4070 in that regard.
I agree. They should have given the 4070 Super 16GB of VRAM and maybe 20GB for the 4080 Super
RX 7600 XT 16GB 320$ !
Just geta used 3090 and enjoy the 24gb of vram. 😎
@@LawrenceTimme and 400w of usage.
4070 super can only do 12 or 24 due to the bus width so they wouldnt do 24@@JackMcSomeone
Nah mate these supers aren't deals, it's Nvidia throwing us plebs their leftovers at a price that these should've launched at in 2022.
Still too expensive... might buy a used 4080 Super in like 2 years yeah, not a fan of burning money.
considering we're past the midpoint of the current generation cycle, no this isn't really much of a "deal". These should have been the prices to begin with in 2022.
absolutely spot on people are forgetting this is half way through the "new" life cycle.
Supply and demand if they weren’t selling then they would drop in price.
Modern high end GPUs will never be cheaper and less in demand than they are at this moment. The silicon will be diverted to AI and Server products before they start releasing latest process node monolithic specialized parallel processors with the fastest memory available and software and driver set to make gaming experience the best on the market. I think it’s actually amazing you can get a 4090 for $1600.00 it’s a marvel of engineering and overall implementation. There is no other hobby I know of where you can buy the best option in the world for that hobby for under 2k… and if you don’t want the best 30 series are still great options and a 4070 is basically a more power effecient 3080 with 12gigs of vram. 12gigs is plenty for that power of card and it’s priced decent at $600 …if you want cheaper you go with a 30 series for best bang for buck but a 3080 used is still going for $450ish…
@@JoeWayne84 it's a square of silicon with a cooler around it. A PC component. A graphics accelerator that can't function standalone. Marketing and branding made you think it's worth more than it actually is.
@@JoeWayne84 very high on shillium so no. they actually can't sell it, GPU sales worldwide are @20 years low and dropping. they've cut TSMC orders. there's no competition for any silicon between corporations. because people are stopping buying 0 progress insane overprice. AI is a gimmick nobody needs overpriced af hardware for AI. but they also don't want to sell GPUs.
@@Ernismeister it’s something that AMD and Intel can’t seem to do as well… and it’s Nvidias main product and has it at a 1.4 trillion US dollar market cap.. hahaha yeah it’s just a piece of silicon…
Man I wish I had the deluded self confidence you possess to reply on the internet with such an amazing lack of self awareness of your own ignorance.
The 4080S costing more than the 4080 in AUD is a joke. $1900 AUD is $1,270 USD which is more than the MSRP for the 4080. P A S S
It all about tax, right ?
@@taiphvql $1900 includes GST (tax) but even if you account for that in the MSRP the 4080S is still over $1100 USD and the 4080 is closer to $1000. Personally I wouldn’t buy either, but I also don’t know why anyone would buy the 4070TiS for $1599 when you can buy the 4080 for $1799
@@taiphvqlno we only have a 10% sales tax which is pretty low.
@@inmypaantsExactly they're doing like 1.9x usd to aud conversions when it's actually 1.65x on the dot currently and has been around there for a while (including gst in conversions ofc)
I guess the serious question here is..
For us boys in the Oceania region, are we ever going to get those Founder's models for these refreshes?
How the heckens does a $999usd card, end up at over $1900aud. It should be $1500aud at most.
Those Australian prices are a joke. It is crazy that nvidia still have such a huge share of the market.
None of the Super cards are deals. MAYBE the 70 ti Super...But if AMD drops the prices on the 7900 XT and XTX then the Super series wont move the needle.
its already at a low price..... 7900XT is 800 and the 7900XTX is 1000 theirs no reason for the price to go down.
@@UKKNGaming The XTX will not have a chance against the 80 Super at $1000. XT would need to be $750 USD & the XTX $850 in order to suffocate the 70 ti Super which doesnt have a Founders Edition, meaning that $800 wont actually be its MSRP.
@@MexidorfAMD doesn’t care about market share.
Great informative video Brian.
Great seeing you showing how stupid the pricing is here in Aussie.
Bought my current RTX3070 for $520au of fb market place when they were still going for $900+ new. That looks like the way to go to get a 4070 at the moment.
Like with every other product in the 4000 series stack, this is at least $100 more expensive than it should be. Nvidia is just letting time make people get accustomed to their overpriced skews and acting like these are good deals. If Nvidia keeps insisting on acting and pricing this way, I won't be buying their products in the future and others are going to stop paying as well. AMD has come a long way, Intel is improving drastically, if Nvidia keeps this up, they'll price themselves out of the market.
4070 is the 16th most popular GPU ever, according to the Steam Hardware Survey in December 2023.
Nvidia’s stock prices begs to differ… Going all in with AI in the automotive industry, their growth isn’t stopping anytime soon
@@jjlw2378The 3060 has surpassed the 1650 also. Seems like people have upgraded
@@christophervanzetta There's a big difference in AI and gaming/productivity GPUs, the 4000 series is barely an improvement over the 3000 except in pricing. And don't kid yourself, pricing these cards so high for so little gain will bite them eventually. Inflation hits everyone, and discretionary spending shrinks because of that. So, either they can use their silicon for AI which is the smart business move, or they can use it for GPUs. Gouging their customer base will catch up to them sooner or later.
I paid 709.99 for xfx 7900xt plus my Amazon rewards of $80 and got Avatar for free. Honestly it plays Cyberpunk 1440 ultra native ,increased traffic, population, and hd rework mods with preem lut lighting plus ray tracing always locked @ 60fps i can lower serttings and go 4k 60 as well. But the utter smooth and heavy effects at 1440p are amazing. I come from a GTX 1080 so i think the AMD 7900xt is an exceptional offering at 700 or subpar which it will be soon.
"RTX 4070 Super Pricing... Is it REALLY a Deal?"
it's only a deal for nvidia because they yet again get to sale consumers a 600 dollar video card that only has 12 gb vram in 2024. i really don't see people jumping at this card even if it beats the 7800xt in raw raster performance , it's still knee capped by only having 12 gb of vram. games that will run on the 7800xt fine on ultra settings will crash on this more expensive card when at those same settings. ... now the 4070 ti super and the 4080 super i expect those will sell better.
I'm set on a 4070 ti super for my build im planning on getting together in the nest 5 months.. But my question is, should I get it as soon as it comes out, or wait 5-6 months? Will the price go down you think, or go up in that time?
The analogy with the grain of poppy seed seems inaccurate if you wanted to emphasize that we should have a higher level of skepticism towards manufacturer’s benchmarks. Should be opposite, like ‘boulder of salt’.
Student loan payments started again, car repos are through the roof, cost of living up. I'm thinking they are going to see low sales.
It's funny how nvidia are still going along with these stupid prices. If they made prices reasonable like the 10 series was they wouldn't be struggling to sell cards
So between each card there is only margin 15% of performance (and well more VRAM), so 4070 to 4070S is 15% performance, 4070S to 4070TiS will be 15% and VRAM, 4070Ti to 4080S is 15% performance (fi not at all due to UV of 4070TiS of same chip). For each bump in performance you pay 200€.
Talk about not wanting to cut into sales of 4090, just wait for 5000 series, if you can, if not grab lowest possible, as H1 2025 we will be seeing 5000 series.
12gb eh. 16gb from the cheaper 7800xt ? Yessir.
No deal..... in my opinion it is still a 60 class selling for a 70 class price. Just look at the specs for the whole lineup. The 4080 should have been based on the AD102 chip and not the AD103 on which the 4070 should have been based.
SEA countries still have the 4070 at around $800.
My ass.
It's so useful to know which cards carry a second NVENC chip. Thank you for that tip!
Super model sisters, I like the sound of that
I feel discontinuing the 4080 is a bad move just lower it from 1200 to 900 maybe 850
No lol the super costs them almost nothing more to make so theyd have significantly worse margins like that
4080 Super is the perfect match for 4K gaming 120FPS/144FPS
If the 4070 is 550 then now way in hell will the 4070s be 600 to us plebs 😢
thats stupid as fuck if its real
There's no "deal" with prices like these
I would like a RTX 4070 Ti Super but since I'm in Europe, the estimated price of this GPU is €950, so no Msrp here.
Just F Nvidia !
miss by the time when 70 series was $400😄😄😄
inflation of around 50% on everything sucks
4070 super should be 499$ MSRP, @ that price a lot more people will buy it, but i guess Nvidia doesn't care anymore, since they make big bank with AI bubble.
$1000 for an 80-class card and $800 for a 70ti-class card is still absurd but...
Because the 40xx series was so bad and because AMD is blidnly following we had the worst generation ever so that's why this Super series looks like a Super deal.
Suddenly people will be able to buy 4080-ish performance for $800 instead of $1200 which is 50% more!
These GPUs are still overpriced but look good just because of how bad Vanilla cards were.
when nvidia had a pricecut when the 7800 xt got released. it just shows the price of nvidia gpus are really just imaginary inflation. they can get lower than 15$ we all know that by now, but they wont because they really are that greedy
A rename RTX 4060 Super, that's why you see a "TI" on 4070 Super, Nvidia think we are stupid.
They don't think, they now we are.
The last couple of years or so have proved it.
they know people is stupid
they are a trillion dollar company, they know well their customers
Not a buy for me. New doesn't always mean better. I gauge performance against budget and this isn't a take for me. Gamers need to make a stand NOW!!! SHAREHOLDERS ARE DRIVING THE PRICES UP not the people who understand and enjoy hobbies such as building PCs. Gaming isn't a necessity in life so why pay absorbent amounts of hard-earned dollars as if??? Let's get back to basics performance against prices. Tell greedy shareholders NO!
Wow I'm definitely buying a 4070ti super!.....Is what I would be saying if it was marketed like it should be, a 4060ti super for $500.
Dumb*ss !
Nvidia should just have a RTX "ULTRA OVERPRICED" Series...(but then they'd be selling a product and actually telling the truth about its specifications I guess!)
Price checking in the UK and the 4070ti super is like £950 how is this MSRP. They say it's 7.99 😂 the 4070s is also above 600. The 4080 is said to be 999.00 but it's actually over a 1000 a strix 4070ti super I've seen listed for over 1300!!! Gtfo.
Why does it look like its made with cheaper quality materials on the outside?
it is a gpu, exterior doesnt matter, it goes inside ypur pc case, what mattets is on the insode you know?
true but you still want to be able to take it out for maintence.@@betag24cn
MSRP doesn't mean anything anymore, even if it does any non US country gets screwed even more with pricing. Australia we're almost paying double, sickening.
Too little, way too late. Gamers, if that is your target market, have moved on. Those that can afford, 4080 or these super dupers do it to flex. Every channel building with 16Gb video cards should at least benchmark games to show why they went with the NGreedia cards. FOMO
I can already picture it
In US the RTX 4070 super is 799
In Europe the RTX 4070 super is 999
You guys get all the cool cars that we never did in the states, let us have our diacount....jk, ya that blows how they're price gouging the rest of the world it seems like 😢
@@agegonzo39 come here ill give u a car u give me a 4090 🤓 warning ⚠️ car is a randomly used one price may range from 200 to 1000 💶 😏😂
rather get 7800xt for $499
price estimates are absolutely worthless nowadays for several reasons. first of all - nvidia cant be trusted with pricing. they want people who already just bought a card of them to sell it now and hope to get the next new thing of them for the same money. they lied to customers big time with the RTX3000 release and many ended up havin no gpu at all for over a year. secondly, for all the people who take pride in theyre build and only buy cards with a well designed cooler, the demand will drive the prices up. prices for sought after custom designs could be 500 dollar higher than the most simple build cards. (for example the MSI 4070 GamingX Trio sells for 1300 here in europe now.)
Nvidia ruining their established naming convention really annoys me. Like WTF is a Ti SUPER XD?
RTX 4070 super with only 12GB VRAM, i am glad that i bought the RX 7800XT 16GB.
If i wait 5 years i can get something like a 4070ti or 7900xt at a reasonable price 🤞to go with my TV
or you could wait 10 years
or even better, wait forever
@@betag24cnI could build a time machine, go back in time and get an Atari 2600
😏@@EmilePesky-n1v I hade imagen that to go in the future get all the 5090 and sell them one release date 📅 🤓 clean money 💰 hehe 🧐
Why does Austria get screwed over on all things nerd. You guys have to over pay for video games, GPUs, even Warhammer products. Doesn’t seem right to me.
Why are all RUclipsrs presenting those cards with MSRP when we all know that MSRP is pure fiction and you will never see those prices in real world...
Too many RUclips-er’s wanting stuff for free is what raising the prices up. I wish I had a chart and showing prices and the rise of RUclipsrs. And show you a correlation.
The Aus pricing is really sad I know we are a nightmare to ship to but this seems extreme
I'm excited for what this will do to the 2nd hand market. I just picked up a 4GB RX 570 ITX for a relative for £45, I expect by April/May these new cards will push stuff like RX 5700s to/below £100, GTX 1070s to around £65 and 1060 6GBs finally to about £50 where they should be at. The post-covid snail paced product cycle made it so that affordable (below £100/$100) cards are actually end of life and have lost driver support. We need a shakeup in the market.
I really wouldn't bother with cards older than the 2060 Super/2070/Radeon RX 5700xt tbh - they will be too slow for current gen games. Pascal has pretty much had its day , then 1080ti is putting up a hell of a fight but it's too old.
I agree with your point though about the lack of price/performance improvements in the mid-range/entry level is to blame for this. A card like the 2060 should be £100 at most by now.
I dont know dude, this cards are not targeted at gamers with this prices, maybe content creators that stream. Most popular games dont need this horse power and consumption. They have become luxury items in the industry, just poping something new so nerds can spend some extra money instead of investing that money. imho
Would love to see some actual raw performance. tired of videos of talking heads showing pictures showing up in my feeds every second of the day.
Not worth considering these Super cards
It is if you don’t have one.
@@JayzBeerz not for the price point we have here in Australia for them...
Exactly. Especially when you can get the 7800 XT for as low as $800 @@FieryWings01
you probably won't find a 4070 super at 600 usd anyways, it's garbage value
So here in Australia probably just better off buying a 7900xtx?
It makes no sense to buy any nVidia model, new or used. Because you will always find a better deal with AMD cards.
DOA
Not buying any of the 40 series until they get rid of that power connector that keeps melting
If the 4070 ti Super 16Gb close the gap with the 4080, for me it would be a 4080 in disguise. (Lower performance, lower price too 😁)
It won't it's like 10% slower because of the core and cache deficit. With an OC you'd get in the ballpark, i'm sure. However stock you're losing a quarter of the cache, 1300 cuda cores and like 6% mem bandwidth but with like 5% higher core clock speed.
sadly in the US the 4080's here are like 12-1500 lol.
Got fed up with the piss poor performance of the 4070 ti and just bought a 4090 yesterday, and boy did it blow it out of the water; I'm skipping everything until the 70 series LOL
i though it just blows oh well
I'll just wait for the 50 series
supposedly should come this october, but the proce will be absurd i bet
Same I was thinking about super but 5000 is gona come up so why spend cash one a old stuff
The past few years.... AMD has been a Much better Deal and Value..
Excited to see slightly more value and options but I'm not upgrading my 3080 until the 50 series at this point. Looking for 100% performance or more for $1K USD or less as when I jumped from the 5700XT it was close to that level of performance uplift.
Same here. Not upgrading unless I can get 2x the performance of a 3080. VRAM won’t be an issue as many want you to believe in the future except for niche applications.
@@christophervanzetta yeah I play at 1440P most of the time and haven't ran into too many issues. Still can play at high to ultra settings and get over 60fps. I have yet to play a game with 3080 where I'm like man, this performance is bad and I need to upgrade 😂