Giannis imo has been the best in the world since 2020-2021 not that it hasnt been close but i js think its clearly been his league regardless of team success and injuries
I love Giannis. His development has been great to watch. He has a drive and motor like MJ and Kobe. His mid game is the best I've seen since he's been in the league. He will be in the convo for top 5 all time. He needs one more MVP and two more Championships. That's it.
there's nothing I want more than to see the first ever European Big 3 with Giannis, Jokic, Luka, that'd be fucking unreal.... Mark Cuban is the only one that's crazy enough to make it happen and it would add so much to his legacy. Wishful thinking, I know, but let a man dream, dreams are still free...
@@steveseo251Jokic has been bettee defensively this season so you're tripping. Have you watched nuggets games? He hasn't been bad at all. Luka is a whole different problem- Jokic improves nuggets on the defensive floor buddy.
@@roboticvenom1935 joker on the floor vs joker off the floor has +10 impact in defensive rating for denver, of course his offense offset his defensive liability so all good, but joker playing lots of minutes so stats is kinda inflated. If you convert to 36min, rebound wise, like half of starting centers from every team gets more boards. Block wise, he is like worst getting like 0.8 per 36min. Steal, he is also not significantly better. He is great in offense but not in defense. It would be thrilling to see joker giannis together, they can complement each other, but not with luka,
Oh, and he wasn't 7 feet as a rookie. Giannis was a shade over 6 feet 9 inches as a rookie and grew the next year to what they officially say is 6 feet 11.75 inches.
Gianias just needs 2 more championships which im praying for every season and he needs to be like Nikola who takes three and he will matching the goat or better im my opinion im rooting for you giannis
Jokic is a best on offense..but Giannis is unstoppable right now if hes team is flopping he can carry them.. Jokic makes his team better more so than Giannis..but he cant carry his team like Giannis.
@@bilicnemanja92 Giannis is winning more? Better teammates (Dame is almost done and the rest of his team is old and very young and low skill) and the most important, much better coach. Giannis will lead the same or better than Jokic the Nuggets,
Giannis is a beast, unstoppable force, most dominant player I witnessed since Shaq. Lebron is great and MJ, but if Giannis had a consistent 3 in his arsenal, these other two would look like ants in front of him. Lebron drove to the basket well, but Giannis drives in like a madman. He is ruthless. Giannis won his ring with the team that drafted him. Lebron had to join Wade, Bosh and co to win it. Nowitzki schooled him though. Jordan never won anything without Pippen who was kinda like Giannis but kinda inferior. They had Rodman after, a rebounding beast, Kerr the sniper, Kukoc the best 6th man ever. Harper.
Michael Jordan was the best ever and Pippen struggled badly in playoffs his first 3 times. He scored less than double digit. One man can't win championships without two other guys scoring in double figures. LeBron PED James choked so many times.
I love Giannis you’re not going to find that many people that like him more than me but. There’s a 99.9% chance he wouldn’t. Most importantly is championships, he would need at least 2 more to get in the top 10 let alone the goat debate. Also should have at least one more mvp. But biggest thing is Giannis’s lack of shooting. You could say something about every nba player that could be improved but like Jordan I wouldn’t say has a weakness in his game just that his 3pt shooting could be better but Giannis shooting is a hole on his game and it showed itself in the playoffs. He’s still a tremendous player but nonetheless still a hole in his game that cost them in the playoffs
thing with Giannis is.... are you willing to bet against him developing into a decent shooter? he's already looking way better than he did 3 years ago, he's 3rd on mid range shots made this year, on 48% (!!!) If he can be consistent with those numbers, it's literally over for the league
Leading a small market team to a championship after 50 years is very impresive. Dirk's ring is more respected than most rings, KD rings aren't as impresive as Dirks. If Giannis manage to earn a second ring in Milwokee I think that is enough accolades to put him in a top 10 list. His career will be comparable to Hakeems, and I have him in the top 10 over Shaq.
Somehow I doubt Giannis will have 2 threepeats. Jordan is known for his defense as much as his scoring. He has 1 DPOY and 9 All-Defensive First Teams. Although he had a different role his impact on defense was the same or greater than Giannis'.
He will not end up being the goat. Logically he will finish his career around 35000 points, 15000 rebounds, 6000 assists and 2-3 championships. Great but not GOAT.
Gianns career is top 20 right now and it could go as high as top 5-10 when he is retired. Goat conversation requires dominating and entire generation and he hasnt done it so fat and he probably won't do it in the next five years with Jocker, Luka, Tatum playing at the level they are right now and with guys like Ant, Shay, Wemby developing into serius threads.
I am a Giannis Fan but only way for him to be considered in the conversation is if he wins 3 rings in a row with the Bucks, while featuring his new consistent mid range jumper. At that point he would be clearly above LeBron (as LJ had to leave his draft team to join Big Market teams to do it) and he would have silenced the "no jumper" critics. Then he would have the argument that he did the three-peat in a relatively more competitive era than MJ. Still a very slim argument as MJ has been cemented as the GOAT, but I don't believe there is time in Giannis' career for more championships than those I mention.
@@TheShadowpro13 Same as above. I think Tim Duncan is considered the greatest with 5 championships and 3 finals MVP, so Giannis would at least come close to these. Combined with his dominating brand of basketball he would comfortably surpass him, where with MJ he just enters the conversation.
@@lethargicmosquito yes it is. Most champioship contenders have at least 2 superstars and 1 all star caliber players. In Jordan era they barely had 1 superstar. And there are just more stars today period. Plus look at how many players are competent 3point shooters. Back then a team had 1-2 at most. And a team can win a game just by having a good shooting night even if they are bottom feeders, meaning it is easier to make an upset today.
Really bored of these stats-measuring goat videos. Who cares? I'm not against discussing individual players but focus on the impact they've had on the game and communities more generally..
Unfortunately his game is revolving around his athleticism and is only gonna decline, probably has 5-6 years left of dominance and don’t see him doing enough to be the goat
Kobe & MJ The Best Ever period simple. Giannis is my fav player right now but he can never be the goat cuz of height. If you are 6’8 n up you goat disqualified for being too tall. Imagine Kobe being 6’8 - 7’0. Ive been a basketball superstar star since 6 years old my opinion matters i know real ball 😂
19:33 As far as I love your content, Lebron passed Jabbar in all-time leading scorer stats and still counts. Fan of Giannis before coming to the NBA. I'm one of the many Greeks that loose sleep at night watching Giannis' matches. Ending a hall of famer is already a huge compliment. GOAT or not, he is one of the greatest already!
With an all like Dame on his team, you'd figure they would stack chips but it doesn't look like it by the end of his career. I feel like there was just too many missed opportunities already in his peak years
Unless your remove Wilt from NBA history Giannis has no chance. Zero. Jokic is lightyears better overall and Jokic isn't close to Wilt overall impact on the game.
As a bucks fan I don't think he will be the goat I don't think we see anybody catch mj for 50 years you would need 2 3 peats or like 7 or more rings 6 mvps dpoy 10 scoring titles but he can be best pf and top 5 ever with 3 rings 3 fmvps 3 mvps and he already has a dpoy and is way better scorer passer and rebounder than Duncan can see him doing that you gotta win like half you career to beat mj 😂
Not really , it’s more close than you think . Jokić has one more mvp than Gianni’s. Giannis has been just as consistent and dominant as Jokic has been , just overall disrespected by the media .
Explain your point. You're just like most modern people who want to spew their opinions without really being able or willing to share supporting information.
@@AndersonSmith-ks6mm it sounds like u looked at instagram comments and started spewing it over here as a fact, do some research at least about his age 🤣😭 and averaging 30 with elite defence isnt past his prime but I bet the casuals like u and the media ignore the defensive side of the game
@hayasher LeBron has 4 champs but breaking records stats so next guy on line is Kareem with 6 champs so I'm pretty sure it'll take Giannis another 4 more to get into the goat debate
I don't think Giannis can. The only player today that may enter the debate in the future is Jokic. Jokic is 29 now and can easily play till 37 if he still has the passion. The only thing that could make Jokic retire early is passion. Judging from his body language, he's not a guy who crazily love Basketball. His style of play will make him last. In the remaining 8 years, if he can win 2 or 3 more championships and 3 more MVP, he can enter the debate. He
Jokic won't win another chip his team is cooked thanks to his front office. Giannis still has a chance to win 2 more cause he has Dame as a running mate & he just has to go through Boston.4 MVPs & 1 chip is the weakest 4 time MVP in history. The award will lose its value because of Jokic no matter how great he is on 1 side of the ball.
Giannis imo has been the best in the world since 2020-2021 not that it hasnt been close but i js think its clearly been his league regardless of team success and injuries
Giannis
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Jokic is carrying his team harder then giannis though.
Yes so true I've been saying this for ever
I would say since 2020 JOKIC been the Greatest
@@gatman7127 no he isn't
I love Giannis. His development has been great to watch. He has a drive and motor like MJ and Kobe. His mid game is the best I've seen since he's been in the league. He will be in the convo for top 5 all time. He needs one more MVP and two more Championships. That's it.
No he just needs one more mvp and a ring
for sure man, Giannis is very different
there's nothing I want more than to see the first ever European Big 3 with Giannis, Jokic, Luka, that'd be fucking unreal.... Mark Cuban is the only one that's crazy enough to make it happen and it would add so much to his legacy. Wishful thinking, I know, but let a man dream, dreams are still free...
Luka and joker together? No thanks. Unless you want to give opponent 150pts per game.
@steveseo251 who would mark those three though? And if you chose to double team them they can dish it out to the open ones easily
@@lethargicmosquito Joker and Giannis can be paired, but adding luka, you will just break the team. Luka dont defend at all.
@@steveseo251Jokic has been bettee defensively this season so you're tripping. Have you watched nuggets games? He hasn't been bad at all. Luka is a whole different problem- Jokic improves nuggets on the defensive floor buddy.
@@roboticvenom1935 joker on the floor vs joker off the floor has +10 impact in defensive rating for denver, of course his offense offset his defensive liability so all good, but joker playing lots of minutes so stats is kinda inflated. If you convert to 36min, rebound wise, like half of starting centers from every team gets more boards. Block wise, he is like worst getting like 0.8 per 36min. Steal, he is also not significantly better. He is great in offense but not in defense. It would be thrilling to see joker giannis together, they can complement each other, but not with luka,
Giannis a dawg, on a league of his own🙌🏿
GIANNIS is already the GOAT
No
Oh, and he wasn't 7 feet as a rookie.
Giannis was a shade over 6 feet 9 inches as a rookie and grew the next year to what they officially say is 6 feet 11.75 inches.
Gianias just needs 2 more championships which im praying for every season and he needs to be like Nikola who takes three and he will matching the goat or better im my opinion im rooting for you giannis
U forgot Bill Russell 11 championships in 13 seasons
Don't forget about Jokic too. Giannis is better as a two way player and Jokic is better as a offensive juggernaut
Well, honestly, you can say Giannis is a offensive avalanche he don’t let up his determination is relentless, smothering, and crushing
i mean, id like to see what jokic averages against joker. i for sure know that all time career games jokic has lost more to giannis
Jokic is a best on offense..but Giannis is unstoppable right now if hes team is flopping he can carry them..
Jokic makes his team better more so than Giannis..but he cant carry his team like Giannis.
@@86lanzo What are you talking about? Put Giannis on denver and see what happens.. OMG
@@bilicnemanja92 Giannis is winning more? Better teammates (Dame is almost done and the rest of his team is old and very young and low skill) and the most important, much better coach. Giannis will lead the same or better than Jokic the Nuggets,
1 wrong part of the video. The year Giannis won his first mvp season he was averaging 27.5ppg and 12rpg
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Dope vid. Bro it’s been So good for years and they still trynna ignore it😂🤦🏽♂️
Giannis is a beast, unstoppable force, most dominant player I witnessed since Shaq. Lebron is great and MJ, but if Giannis had a consistent 3 in his arsenal, these other two would look like ants in front of him. Lebron drove to the basket well, but Giannis drives in like a madman. He is ruthless. Giannis won his ring with the team that drafted him. Lebron had to join Wade, Bosh and co to win it. Nowitzki schooled him though. Jordan never won anything without Pippen who was kinda like Giannis but kinda inferior. They had Rodman after, a rebounding beast, Kerr the sniper, Kukoc the best 6th man ever. Harper.
Michael Jordan was the best ever and Pippen struggled badly in playoffs his first 3 times. He scored less than double digit. One man can't win championships without two other guys scoring in double figures. LeBron PED James choked so many times.
Had to sub after I seen you one of them that actually know ball and know a goat when you see one
I love Giannis you’re not going to find that many people that like him more than me but. There’s a 99.9% chance he wouldn’t. Most importantly is championships, he would need at least 2 more to get in the top 10 let alone the goat debate. Also should have at least one more mvp. But biggest thing is Giannis’s lack of shooting. You could say something about every nba player that could be improved but like Jordan I wouldn’t say has a weakness in his game just that his 3pt shooting could be better but Giannis shooting is a hole on his game and it showed itself in the playoffs. He’s still a tremendous player but nonetheless still a hole in his game that cost them in the playoffs
1 more in Milwaukee gets him into the top 10
Giannis mid range has been very good this year. This is why he's leading the league in scoring.
thing with Giannis is.... are you willing to bet against him developing into a decent shooter? he's already looking way better than he did 3 years ago, he's 3rd on mid range shots made this year, on 48% (!!!)
If he can be consistent with those numbers, it's literally over for the league
Leading a small market team to a championship after 50 years is very impresive. Dirk's ring is more respected than most rings, KD rings aren't as impresive as Dirks. If Giannis manage to earn a second ring in Milwokee I think that is enough accolades to put him in a top 10 list. His career will be comparable to Hakeems, and I have him in the top 10 over Shaq.
@@elmztana1201 maybe you could make the argument I think it would put him just outside top 10 like 11 or so but right near there
Somehow I doubt Giannis will have 2 threepeats. Jordan is known for his defense as much as his scoring. He has 1 DPOY and 9 All-Defensive First Teams. Although he had a different role his impact on defense was the same or greater than Giannis'.
All he has to do is wait until bron leaves because the media meat ride soooo bad
He will not end up being the goat. Logically he will finish his career around 35000 points, 15000 rebounds, 6000 assists and 2-3 championships. Great but not GOAT.
Gianns career is top 20 right now and it could go as high as top 5-10 when he is retired. Goat conversation requires dominating and entire generation and he hasnt done it so fat and he probably won't do it in the next five years with Jocker, Luka, Tatum playing at the level they are right now and with guys like Ant, Shay, Wemby developing into serius threads.
Many people consider Kobe the goat(I don’t) despite him playing losing basketball for a big part of his career
I am a Giannis Fan but only way for him to be considered in the conversation is if he wins 3 rings in a row with the Bucks, while featuring his new consistent mid range jumper. At that point he would be clearly above LeBron (as LJ had to leave his draft team to join Big Market teams to do it) and he would have silenced the "no jumper" critics. Then he would have the argument that he did the three-peat in a relatively more competitive era than MJ. Still a very slim argument as MJ has been cemented as the GOAT, but I don't believe there is time in Giannis' career for more championships than those I mention.
So how do u think he can be the greatest power forward
@@TheShadowpro13 Same as above. I think Tim Duncan is considered the greatest with 5 championships and 3 finals MVP, so Giannis would at least come close to these. Combined with his dominating brand of basketball he would comfortably surpass him, where with MJ he just enters the conversation.
Smartest MJ fan.
@@pmaragoudakis what??!? today's era is in no way, shape or form "relatively more competitive" than the one MJ was playing, are you high bro?
@@lethargicmosquito yes it is. Most champioship contenders have at least 2 superstars and 1 all star caliber players. In Jordan era they barely had 1 superstar. And there are just more stars today period. Plus look at how many players are competent 3point shooters. Back then a team had 1-2 at most. And a team can win a game just by having a good shooting night even if they are bottom feeders, meaning it is easier to make an upset today.
He got stats wrong the year he won his first MVP he averaged 27.7ppg 12.5rpg 5.9apg
Really bored of these stats-measuring goat videos. Who cares? I'm not against discussing individual players but focus on the impact they've had on the game and communities more generally..
Unfortunately his game is revolving around his athleticism and is only gonna decline, probably has 5-6 years left of dominance and don’t see him doing enough to be the goat
Well that's what we though about bron, and look at him.
well if he keep improving his shooting like he is he will still be able to play at a high level
if you have shaq in your top 5 you have to have giannis in your top 10
my man us a year behind in all the stats😭😭😭😭
Hakeem WHAT?!
oh-luh-jew-awn
Giannis has a shot..but to do that he needs to win at least 4 more chips ..which i dont see happening.
It’s O-lie-ja-won
GO BUCKS!!! GO PACKERS!!!!
Kobe & MJ The Best Ever period simple. Giannis is my fav player right now but he can never be the goat cuz of height. If you are 6’8 n up you goat disqualified for being too tall. Imagine Kobe being 6’8 - 7’0. Ive been a basketball superstar star since 6 years old my opinion matters i know real ball 😂
Sorry about your parents being related... must be hard being that stupid.
Hakeem WHO????
19:33 As far as I love your content, Lebron passed Jabbar in all-time leading scorer stats and still counts.
Fan of Giannis before coming to the NBA. I'm one of the many Greeks that loose sleep at night watching Giannis' matches. Ending a hall of famer is already a huge compliment. GOAT or not, he is one of the greatest already!
Story lost all credibility saying Lebron dominates both ends of the court because folks with brains havent seen it. Need to fix that..😂
Brone has never Been DPLOY
With an all like Dame on his team, you'd figure they would stack chips but it doesn't look like it by the end of his career. I feel like there was just too many missed opportunities already in his peak years
theres a lot of incorrect stats LMAOOOOOOO
Kareem is no longer the all time scoring leader
this sounds like an elaborate joke ngl
Bro you have the stats a season forward for Giannis lol in 2020 he averaged 29 points and in 2019 it was 27.5 points on 57% shooting
The Joker is better
not really
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Unless your remove Wilt from NBA history Giannis has no chance. Zero. Jokic is lightyears better overall and Jokic isn't close to Wilt overall impact on the game.
As a bucks fan I don't think he will be the goat I don't think we see anybody catch mj for 50 years you would need 2 3 peats or like 7 or more rings 6 mvps dpoy 10 scoring titles but he can be best pf and top 5 ever with 3 rings 3 fmvps 3 mvps and he already has a dpoy and is way better scorer passer and rebounder than Duncan can see him doing that you gotta win like half you career to beat mj 😂
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Jokic have more of a chance than him at this point.
Not really , it’s more close than you think . Jokić has one more mvp than Gianni’s. Giannis has been just as consistent and dominant as Jokic has been , just overall disrespected by the media .
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uhm idk
Shut up
Explain your point. You're just like most modern people who want to spew their opinions without really being able or willing to share supporting information.
14:05 the graphic showed 9.9pts instead of 29.9pts, great video tho👍🏻
Bro you have the stats a season backwards for Giannis lol in 2020 he averaged 29 points and in 2019 it was 27.5 points on 57% shooting
Yeah I don’t think so, look at their record. And look at their opps on that finals run. Just no. No
Okay just watched full vid. Magic Johnson playmaking? Never say that again. He’ll never get a jumper. And he’s 31 well past his prime.
@@AndersonSmith-ks6mmhe’s 29 nice job making shit up to support your argument
@@wolffam2035well that’s news to me I thought he was 31 because he’s injured every year now. Sorry. But what else did I make up?
@@AndersonSmith-ks6mm32-12-6 is not past his prime 😂 that is an insane comment, let alone well past
@@AndersonSmith-ks6mm it sounds like u looked at instagram comments and started spewing it over here as a fact, do some research at least about his age 🤣😭 and averaging 30 with elite defence isnt past his prime but I bet the casuals like u and the media ignore the defensive side of the game
Giannis Antetokounmpo is not 7 feet tall but 6 feet 11 inches, like Nikola Jokić.
Lol lol NO. Im just here to say - hahahahahahaha no chance IN HELL
4 more championship and we can have a serious conversation
No, just 3.
@hayasher LeBron has 4 champs but breaking records stats so next guy on line is Kareem with 6 champs so I'm pretty sure it'll take Giannis another 4 more to get into the goat debate
@@JaredMagdaleno-m5w lefraud is nowhere near any conversation
I don't think Giannis can. The only player today that may enter the debate in the future is Jokic. Jokic is 29 now and can easily play till 37 if he still has the passion. The only thing that could make Jokic retire early is passion. Judging from his body language, he's not a guy who crazily love Basketball. His style of play will make him last. In the remaining 8 years, if he can win 2 or 3 more championships and 3 more MVP, he can enter the debate. He
Jokic won't win another chip his team is cooked thanks to his front office. Giannis still has a chance to win 2 more cause he has Dame as a running mate & he just has to go through Boston.4 MVPs & 1 chip is the weakest 4 time MVP in history. The award will lose its value because of Jokic no matter how great he is on 1 side of the ball.
@@iPoeticProphetGiannis is 29 also
@@86lanzo i know that