Not even star. Imagine him on the rockets or another deep, defensive teams. He alpne will make any team the most efficient offense in the league when he is on the court. Surround him with athletic defenders and they cant be beaten
offensively, he is definitely the GOAT. Overall, taking into consederation defence aswell, i think its still MJ. But its really close between MJ and Jokic for the GOAT, with lebron coming in at 3rd
Probably 2 or 3.. To put this into perspective MJ has 10 scoring titles 5 MVPs And a DPLOY.. Murry has played at an all star level when they won the chip.. Don't act like Jokic is on his own.
@@86lanzoMurray played like an all star for two postseasons in his career, and the nuggets made the WCF one of the times and won the championship the other. When he doesn’t play well, the nuggets can’t win. It’s undeniable that he is what’s holding back the nuggets as a second option because jokic is always dominant. Murray has never been an all star because he hasn’t played like one for a long period of time and has constant injury issues. A guy like pippen is insanely accomplished compared to Murray. Murray has almost zero chance at this point of becoming a hall of famer and that’s Jokic’s number 2 that he is expected to win with… that’s insane. You can try to downplay it all you want but Jamal’s accomplishments and resume speak for itself and not in a good way… don’t act like pippen and Murray are even close as talents… And Jordan’s 10 scoring titles are so overrated… scoring titles often go to whichever superstar shot the most per game… Jordan is second all time in shots/game behind only Elgin Baylor who played in 60s with the highest pace ever. Jordan led the league in the regular season in usage rate for 8 of his 13 seasons with the bulls. He led the league in usage percentage in the postseason for 6 of his 13 seasons. Guys like LeBron have only led the league in usage once in the regular season and once in the playoffs in his entire 22 year career, and you Jordan stans call him a ball hog lol what’s really funny is Jordan led the league in usage many more times than even guys like harden and Westbrook, but MJ doesn’t have this narrative of being a ball hog like them… he’s seen as a “team player” to the stans. The people who look at the numbers objectively understand why MJ has all those scoring titles… many others could have tons of scoring titles if they shot as much as MJ, especially in a slower paced era like the 90s where hardly anyone shot over 20 shots/game
Yes but the final score in a game is actually really part of the algebra, and you can gain some insight on how a player impacts the final score of a game with relative ease.
Jokic disrespect is outrageous. The continued attacks from BUCKS & MAVS fanbases takes are utterly ridiculous it’s shocking. As Nuggets fan, We respect lakers & Sixer fans bases for putting their pride aside, to appreciate greatness. Don’t take this man for granted.
If he keeps his pace for 2 or 3 more years, he'll have 5 or 6 MVPs. Probably not rings because Denver isn't doing anything meaningful to help him as the championship team from 2023 is only getting worse instead of improving.
Another reason why Jokic is rated so highly in Defensive Box Plus-Minus is actually a testament to his otherworldly offense. He generates such efficient offense when he is on the court that it limits opponent transition opportunities. His team is back in their set defense on an extraordinary high percentage of plays.
I love Jokic as much as the next guy, but best player ever? That's pure recency bias. To be in that debate, you need to be a game changer on both ends, not just offense. Jokic has proven he can play solid, competitive defense, but at no point in his career has he ever been elite.
For me, I think it’s that weird fusion between water polo and basketball. He’s also durable. There is so much fragility and injury in the athletic stars in the game. I also feel that officiating is playing an uncomfortable role in determining outcomes and flow. I think Jokic is playing within the rules and so many other current players are playing within alternate rules.
Any modern all-time top-10 best players list without Jokic is one you don't have to take seriously. Exactly where he places in the top-10 is still up for debate, but he certainly belongs there. Greatest players, though, is a different beast. He's sort of in the Wilt category there - enormous skill differential to the entire rest of the league, but not enough support to allow him to get the number of rings typically associated with "greatest". I have him in my top-5 all-time best players, but still outside top-10 greatest players. He's in the Dirk category, where he can win rings for a bad team, but hasn't done so multiple times, like Hakeem did. Hopefully, with Westbrook and Butler, he will have the support he needs for another ring or two. My first pick in a hypothetical all-time draft is still Larry Bird, but Jokic has made the short list of players I'd be happy to use my second pick on.
Championship title is ultimately team achievement. You can not win it alone. When we talk about greatness titles are not the first criteria. That way Jokić is top 10 alltime at the moment. If you get rings as a measure then he is top 20 now. And he has at least 5 more seasons to roll.
3:00 he is an elite athlete for his size. This is the problem with modern basketball. You have to be freakishly big to compete. The rules are stupid and drastically shrink the talent pool and thus the end product.
Michael Jordan straight up dominated the league in individual stats AND team success! jokic is generational, but i just saw him get knocked out last year in the playoffs...idk...to be the best ever you really gotta dominate more than JORDAN...i dont see anyone REALLY DOMINATE like Jordan!
I think that to be the goat you need luck. You can say that Jokic best seasons are as good as the peaks of any player in the goat conversation, and he delivers in the playoffs. But to be the goat, you need multiple titles and to do it again and again. Denver is shit, unfortunately.
Also will all due respect to jokic. Hakeem is the best two way player of all time. He could do everything. Not the passer jokic is but FAR superior on defense
You could definitely make an argument for him being the best offensive player ever, but cmon now. He currently sits around Top 10-15 at best i would say. End of his career i project him to be around Top 5-8.
I love jokic but why was this 37 minutes? I heard the same stats like 100 times. All the info covered was covered in the first 3 minutes then repeated over and over again. Trash.
Offensively he's a top 5 all-timer. Defensively he's average. Jordan is all-time elite offense and defense, which is why he's the GOAT. LeBron, Kobe, Olajuwan, Duncan, and Kareem are better than Jokic on the defensive end by a fair margin. But I think Jokic is so good offensively that he's pushed into the top 10 all-time. If he were a strong defender he'd push into the GOAT conversation...but alas he's a mediocre defensive player.
Jokic is a good defender. That’s better than average. Leads the league in steals at the moment or is at least in the top 5 if I’m not mistaken. He’s not going for blocked shots because that’ll get you in foul trouble if you’re not careful. He’s the best offensive player as a whole to ever play and has above average defense. If you compare some of his stats to other centers he’s better defensively than 90 percent of the other centers in the league.
@@dewman7477 What did yall think this video was and why you even here? The title of the vid is "Is Nikola Jokic Really the Best Player EVER?". Y'all are goofy AF 🤣
Were actually witnessing history now guys, this guy has proven to be one of the all time greats and we are watching his prime
Absolutely, Jokic is redefining greatness-we’re witnessing history in his prime!
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Jokic is my GOAT
Same here.
I think Jokic is the GOAT.
Soon he will be. He has time. Love Jokic ❤
Yes. He is. He’s unreal. If he ever played with another all star, he’d already be in the real convo
Not even star. Imagine him on the rockets or another deep, defensive teams. He alpne will make any team the most efficient offense in the league when he is on the court. Surround him with athletic defenders and they cant be beaten
@@BIGGIECHEESE31 Jokic on the Rockets or Magic would be insane.
Definitely on track to be the best to ever do it
Hahahaha not even the best Croatian player ever
@@Zakk-Attakkyou’re an idiot lmao
Nikola Jokic's unmatched versatility and efficiency already place him among the NBA's all-time greats, with the potential to redefine greatness.
offensively, he is definitely the GOAT. Overall, taking into consederation defence aswell, i think its still MJ. But its really close between MJ and Jokic for the GOAT, with lebron coming in at 3rd
No way you said that
@@dewman7477 literally bruh. what did I just read???
well, teams who has more poits win, so......
@@worth-ec3ho he means GOAT offensive peak
Bruh you know rank 3 to rank 100 are the available slot for moving in the rank
Dude treats NBA as 9-5 job and still Dominates 🐐 🃏
He is on track but he needs to win a good few more championships .
I wonder how many rings MJ would have if he played his entire prime with no allstars like Jokic...
Probably 2 or 3..
To put this into perspective MJ has 10 scoring titles
5 MVPs
And a DPLOY..
Murry has played at an all star level when they won the chip..
Don't act like Jokic is on his own.
@@86lanzoMurray played like an all star for two postseasons in his career, and the nuggets made the WCF one of the times and won the championship the other. When he doesn’t play well, the nuggets can’t win. It’s undeniable that he is what’s holding back the nuggets as a second option because jokic is always dominant. Murray has never been an all star because he hasn’t played like one for a long period of time and has constant injury issues. A guy like pippen is insanely accomplished compared to Murray. Murray has almost zero chance at this point of becoming a hall of famer and that’s Jokic’s number 2 that he is expected to win with… that’s insane. You can try to downplay it all you want but Jamal’s accomplishments and resume speak for itself and not in a good way… don’t act like pippen and Murray are even close as talents…
And Jordan’s 10 scoring titles are so overrated… scoring titles often go to whichever superstar shot the most per game… Jordan is second all time in shots/game behind only Elgin Baylor who played in 60s with the highest pace ever. Jordan led the league in the regular season in usage rate for 8 of his 13 seasons with the bulls. He led the league in usage percentage in the postseason for 6 of his 13 seasons.
Guys like LeBron have only led the league in usage once in the regular season and once in the playoffs in his entire 22 year career, and you Jordan stans call him a ball hog lol what’s really funny is Jordan led the league in usage many more times than even guys like harden and Westbrook, but MJ doesn’t have this narrative of being a ball hog like them… he’s seen as a “team player” to the stans. The people who look at the numbers objectively understand why MJ has all those scoring titles… many others could have tons of scoring titles if they shot as much as MJ, especially in a slower paced era like the 90s where hardly anyone shot over 20 shots/game
Murray is one of the worst PG in the league. @@86lanzo
Murray is sucking now. He is alone @@86lanzo
@@bluecars2375Jokic can’t win without him.
So Jokic is already in a Stat category higher than MJ & LBJ.
While also having stats in categories that the latter 2 are not even in.
Insanity!
He's better than Le Fake for sure
If you put JOKIC in that 2000’s Laker squad instead of SHAQ what happens. That answers your question. We are witnessing history.
people : rings are TEAM achivment, individual statistics is what you looking at for best individual.
Yes but the final score in a game is actually really part of the algebra, and you can gain some insight on how a player impacts the final score of a game with relative ease.
Брате you convinced me 😊😊😊 You nailed it
If Jokic can somehow win at least 2 more championships (he most likely wont though) i’m calling him the GOAT
НИКОЛА ЈОКИЋ - ГОАТ
You absolutely can
Jokic is incredible, but Wilt was still the best. But sadly, like Jokic, he didn't have much support on his teams and so only won two championships.
Jokic disrespect is outrageous. The continued attacks from BUCKS & MAVS fanbases takes are utterly ridiculous it’s shocking. As Nuggets fan, We respect lakers & Sixer fans bases for putting their pride aside, to appreciate greatness. Don’t take this man for granted.
He will go down as the greatest player in NBA history, mark my words
Joker is the only FUN player to watch in the current @NBA.
If he keeps his pace for 2 or 3 more years, he'll have 5 or 6 MVPs.
Probably not rings because Denver isn't doing anything meaningful to help him as the championship team from 2023 is only getting worse instead of improving.
Another reason why Jokic is rated so highly in Defensive Box Plus-Minus is actually a testament to his otherworldly offense. He generates such efficient offense when he is on the court that it limits opponent transition opportunities. His team is back in their set defense on an extraordinary high percentage of plays.
No other player makes the game look as effortless as Nikola. Let that resonate through history.
The @NBA needs to promote the Joker way more! He can save the league.
he is the pure definition of how basketball should be 😂 100% he is the goat
I love Jokic as much as the next guy, but best player ever? That's pure recency bias. To be in that debate, you need to be a game changer on both ends, not just offense. Jokic has proven he can play solid, competitive defense, but at no point in his career has he ever been elite.
0:02 yes !!! end of video ....
For me, I think it’s that weird fusion between water polo and basketball. He’s also durable. There is so much fragility and injury in the athletic stars in the game. I also feel that officiating is playing an uncomfortable role in determining outcomes and flow. I think Jokic is playing within the rules and so many other current players are playing within alternate rules.
he needs to win 2 more championships
If you are an unbiased critic, yes he is the best and the difference with second best is not even negligible.
Any modern all-time top-10 best players list without Jokic is one you don't have to take seriously. Exactly where he places in the top-10 is still up for debate, but he certainly belongs there.
Greatest players, though, is a different beast. He's sort of in the Wilt category there - enormous skill differential to the entire rest of the league, but not enough support to allow him to get the number of rings typically associated with "greatest".
I have him in my top-5 all-time best players, but still outside top-10 greatest players. He's in the Dirk category, where he can win rings for a bad team, but hasn't done so multiple times, like Hakeem did. Hopefully, with Westbrook and Butler, he will have the support he needs for another ring or two.
My first pick in a hypothetical all-time draft is still Larry Bird, but Jokic has made the short list of players I'd be happy to use my second pick on.
If we put aside team success and all other bs Jokic is the best ever ever
Championship title is ultimately team achievement. You can not win it alone.
When we talk about greatness titles are not the first criteria.
That way Jokić is top 10 alltime at the moment. If you get rings as a measure then he is top 20 now.
And he has at least 5 more seasons to roll.
Def GOAT list:
- PER
- Best European NBA player
- AST as center
- Lowest vertical MVP
- Lowest draft pick to get MVP
Keep the list going people
Damn lol I’m early to this one 🔥🔥
YES! He is! 😑👋
He is.
Hakeem is # 1 for a reason Hakeem won back-to-back championships in the 90s Nikola Jokic Giannis and Joel Embiid can't say they did that
I don't care what people say, Jokic is the most skilled bigman ever. You dont do the stuff he does with that body type. He surpassed hakeem.
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3:00 he is an elite athlete for his size. This is the problem with modern basketball. You have to be freakishly big to compete. The rules are stupid and drastically shrink the talent pool and thus the end product.
Michael Jordan straight up dominated the league in individual stats AND team success! jokic is generational, but i just saw him get knocked out last year in the playoffs...idk...to be the best ever you really gotta dominate more than JORDAN...i dont see anyone REALLY DOMINATE like Jordan!
You say that as if Jordan was kicking all their butts all the way to the chanpionship prior to Pippen joining the bulls.
He’s a Top25 Player ever.
Dirk has no case to be over Jokic, neither have great defense and jokic’s offense is light years beyond dirk
5. Nash
4. Dirk
3. Giannis
2. Jokic
1. Hakeem
14:00 having Hakeem Olajuwon over Facundo Campazzo, when will the disrespect end?
He’s in his prime. Way too early to be ranking him against retired players with full careers.
He’s 2nd or 3rd best ever honestly and Im a Serb either behind MJ or Kobe while I’d say lebron is 4 or 5
Yes he is!!!!
And he's way better than Novicki and Giannis and equal to H O
I think that to be the goat you need luck. You can say that Jokic best seasons are as good as the peaks of any player in the goat conversation, and he delivers in the playoffs. But to be the goat, you need multiple titles and to do it again and again. Denver is shit, unfortunately.
You can't be the goat and not play both sides. Hes top 3-5 on offense. Needs to be better on defense
Also will all due respect to jokic. Hakeem is the best two way player of all time. He could do everything. Not the passer jokic is but FAR superior on defense
It’s simple.
Hell.
No.
You could definitely make an argument for him being the best offensive player ever, but cmon now. He currently sits around Top 10-15 at best i would say. End of his career i project him to be around Top 5-8.
I love jokic but why was this 37 minutes? I heard the same stats like 100 times. All the info covered was covered in the first 3 minutes then repeated over and over again. Trash.
Who’s yennis?
Offensively he's a top 5 all-timer. Defensively he's average. Jordan is all-time elite offense and defense, which is why he's the GOAT. LeBron, Kobe, Olajuwan, Duncan, and Kareem are better than Jokic on the defensive end by a fair margin. But I think Jokic is so good offensively that he's pushed into the top 10 all-time. If he were a strong defender he'd push into the GOAT conversation...but alas he's a mediocre defensive player.
Jokic is a good defender. That’s better than average. Leads the league in steals at the moment or is at least in the top 5 if I’m not mistaken. He’s not going for blocked shots because that’ll get you in foul trouble if you’re not careful. He’s the best offensive player as a whole to ever play and has above average defense. If you compare some of his stats to other centers he’s better defensively than 90 percent of the other centers in the league.
isnt mcgregor the goat? Oh wait, it jon jones... no its cristiano ronaldo. THIS GOAT conversation IS BOOOOOOOOORINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG. and unrealistic
He is lazy on defense and doesn’t try on that end of the ball. I would say no
No.
worse larry bird, but i got larry 2nd all time
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No
I understand he great and everything but holy glaze
LOL. Can't even talk about the man without being hit with "Y'all Glaze to much"
@@969omocalling Jokic the best ever over MJ and LeBron is definitely glazing
@@dewman7477 What did yall think this video was and why you even here? The title of the vid is "Is Nikola Jokic Really the Best Player EVER?". Y'all are goofy AF 🤣
@@969omo clearly glazing absolutely nuts what this video is
BOAT
he will never be GOAT bcs he is not mainstream and he is not good for NBA marketing... Thats why whole NBA working for LBJ....
Joker is playing insane BB but he is not even close to being in the Goat conversation.
Whenever his team becomes a juggernaut I’ll consider.
He is becoming one of the most overrated players in NBA history.
lol you know that's not true :)
No just stop..hes not top 10..this is foolishness..
He may finish there but he's not there yeat.
Not even close to being the best player ever
Not even close!
Giannis over jokic is inanse lol
No