Sea-Gull Soar To New Heights With This INCREDIBLE ST18 Movement!
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- In this video I review a brand new Sea-Gull mid-tier watch housing a legal clone of the ETA 2892. The ST18 is 3.6mm thick!
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This is the ST1812 movement to be exact, not the ST18. It's a great movement but it's not an exact clone. The Cal. ST1812 differs from ETA’s Cal. 2892A2 in a few ways. It uses a fixed pin balance, a slotted excentric in its regulator, and attaches its balance bridge with friction fit pins, not a screw. Its fourth wheel has six spokes, not eight, and positions the winding jewel on the post bearing. Some versions also include an extra jewel for the barrel arbor. I haven't serviced one but I've taken one enough apart to see it comes very well oiled from the factory and all the parts slot in with very good tolerances. Crazy value for money.
The names are often shortened to two numbers as it encompasses all the variations of that particular movement, they even refer to it as the ST18
@@ilikewatches Yes they do for simplicity but generally the ST18 refers to the older model which had a few issues that the ST1812 doesn't have. The old ST18 also had 23 jewels compared to the 21 jewels of the ST1812 and the ETA 2892. I know I'm just being overscrupulous but this is the internet after all ;)
And this is why we read the comments :)
Thank you for sharing your expertise! 👏
@slashdotism thank you for the proper details
Bracelet adjustability is an issue that humanity should have solved by now.
Reminds me of a really expensive Casio, the sapphire looks fantastic. But the bracelet is a deal breaker.
I saw Casio Oceanus with the blue surround. Cool hey?
If they sort out the bracelet, this may be the first $500 plus Chinese brand watch I purchase. Thanks for the great review!
i like the centre link which looks like their logo…nice touch…
Such a beautiful movement! Wish they packed it in more watches... However, I started to fancy the hangzhou movements more lately, especially the 7series with 4hz and 72hr power reserve and the 5series micro rotor movements. I love the effort of innovation they put in and as affordable watch enthusiasts we should support that I believe. Would be awesome if you made a video comparing watches with all the different movements you got in your arsenal 😊
That movement is stunning. Why I got into automatic watches.
Ooh, I was aware of the st18 but this is the first time I've seen it reviewed. Nice.
Not many watches have it I don’t think
@@ilikewatches It's widely used in the high end fakes industry. IWC models that use a movement based on the ETA 2892 uses this one instead for instance to get the thickness correct where a 2824 clone won't do. Mark XVIII, Mark XX, Portofinos, some Zenith clones and Hublot clones as well as others.
Perlage french for pearls is the decorative design on the movement. Geoche is a dial decorative design. Not trying to bust your chops but know you want the correct information.
Guilloche.
@@mattilatvala4164 spelling is not my strong suit especially in french
Nice movement bracelet and watch style are however big no's for me. I would however be interested in other designs with this movement.
Yea, delicious macros, thanks, Gary. Highly impressive watch.
Thank you!
Watch Time Magazine actually did a comparison of the ST 18 vs the ETA 2892A2 years ago , the issue was mostly the quality control. The real problem is nobody really makes watch cases for it compared to the ubiquitous 2824 or ST 2130.
This looks like seagull trying to compete w the 12 from Christopher Ward.
Yeah, looks really nice but too expensive for me. You can get something like Tissot PRX Powermatic if you pay an additional 100 euros.
You are absolutely right about the lack of micro-adjustment on the clasp, it makes it a crap-shoot as far as finding a decent fit. I will not but ANY watch (at any price) with a butterfly clasp. I hope Sea-Gull goes back tot eh drawing board with this one, because it is indeed a very gorgeous watch.
The price is insane! More wrong than right on this one! Great honest review as usual!
Blue looks better visually, really. Nice watch!
Beaytiful dial, beautiful execution on the bezel with that bluish, wouldn't mind that much the bracelet with how well it looks.
The finishing on the st1812 looks good from a far, but up close , meh.. Nothing like hand finished swiss movements. All in all, the St1812 is not a bad clone for the price. This looks like a good piece if you can get the proper fit out of the bracelet.
Really pretty watch, thank you for the review.
If the polished centre links were brushed at 90 degrees to the outer links and some sizing adjustment sorted out, you would have some hope of justifying the price
Nice watch and a good review. I just cringe when I see an integrated bracelet with butterfly clasp, these watches really need on the fly adjustable clasps!
At 2:18 that's Perlage... not Guilloche 😊
Yup, my mistake!
@@ilikewatchesThanks for another great video
@@ilikewatcheswhere is the reference for the watch please 🙏
Brilliant macro work, Gary. I love the case/dial/hands package and the movement looks great. But, yeah, the bracelet hurts it.
Thanks and yup it really does
If only it was 37/38mm I'd be very tempted. Love the design & to me the angular case has elements of horage about it. Really like the crown & the sandwiched coloured bezel insert too.
It’s definitely a nice watch Gary. Sea gull usually does a pretty good job. A bit pricey for me but, it looks good. It is annoying when a watch don’t quite fit right..
It’s very annoying, they slipped up here sadly…I hope they take the feedback on board and make sure they add smaller links in future.
Don't you mean Sea-Gull is soaring to new lows with a movement that thin? 😆
I wonder how much it would be to add the spring loaded butterfly similar to what Ball uses,
however it may be a matter of cost and a matter of patents. Thanks for the review Gary.
Not a fan of the blue bezel. If it was bright green though, you’d have the ultimate Kermit. It’s a “no” from me.
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Nice movement. It has the potential to perform better, I believe. Does it say what this blue bezel element is made of? Is it heat treated, painted or coated? Shame about the missing half links, so this nice watch isn't fully thought out sadly.
50mWR and no screw-down crown in Gada watch type is a no-go.I could pick white if it had one.Theres always something No-go with Sea-Gulls,too big,no lume,no screw-down crown🤔
It seems like several brands are doing butterfly clasps which arent my personal favorite. And no adjustment or very little is a huge complaint if mine with an 8 inch. wrist.
Great Watch 👍
I'm shure your message to Sea - Gull went straight to the CEO
Lol…
As someone who lives in a seaside town Seagull is a term I associate with winged vermin…(I’ve a 1963 and love it but it’s a major issue with Asian brands and translations)
Looks to be right up there with the likes of Tissot et al
This really reminds me of the Christopher Ward Twelve watch
Beautiful watch!
Thanks for doing the reviews of Seagull clone movements. Any chance of getting Seagull to send you a model 849.402 Tonneau which uses the ST1812 movement?
Love this watch too! Hope I win it. 😊
😂
This is a nice watch. But for what it is and what it offers. Its too much. The movement is a winner granted. Thus needs to be 300 not 525
Yeah this seems more like a pre production model. Needs a revision and a price drop. Cool idea tho
Interesting. I like it, but I don't quite like it more than I like € 600 though :D
did u see their new pierre paulin jumping hours by merkur?
It’s a very striking watch. But not a fan of integrated bracelets in general.
No Thanks, nice polished links, but the non adjustable band is a major negative.
It looks like it’s homaging the latest Riviera watches from Baume & Mercier.
NB: Description refers to the ETA as "ETA 1892" not "ETA 2892"
Thanks…amended
Whoa, it is a very elegant watch, though price-wise is already in the range of some swiss watches, like Tissot or Certina, not like other "Ali-watches".
And its price is sadly not justified to me, seeing the deficiencies... Mineral crystal on the caseback? I would expect that from Seiko watch for half of the price...
Also bracelet, while nice, should be better designed at this price point. I mean my PRX at least has half - links...
Still, it is a beautiful watch, no argument here. I don't know much about the caliber it uses, but that's usually what sets the base price, before everything else, so maybe the watch actually IS worth the money. The movement finishing is welcome, but then again perlage is a very basic pattern, not that hard or expensive to make.
Looks like a V.C. Overseas.
I though it had the 2130 movement.
honestly id rather see simple brushing on movement over sub-par guilloche
At first glance it looks interesting but the bezel(s) just looks odd. The crown guard held on with two tiny screws, how much strength is in them if it actually has to protect the crown from a biff, probably the reason they are gererally machined from a solid lump of metal, then there's that fairly useless bracelet and the price. You don't have to look very hard to get a better watch for your cash but the Seagull is a bit more unusual than a Tissot or Seiko would be.
I can buy a VSF vacheron for that price
Thats a perlage, not a guilloche cmiiw
Yup, slip of the tongue
Yeah you lost me at 500 plus ouch no way, hate butterfly also .. they look amazing but impossible to fit
that's cool about the movement, the design is just gaudy though. Looks like a Baume and Mercier mall watch rip off
Citizen unfortunately is the same for a proper fit.Only 2 micro adjusts on there bracelets
That's why I bought the one on the strap. The only one in whole Tsuyosa series.
Tag Heuer homage
Seriously, why do manufacturers use butterfly clasps? The watch is quite nice, but for that sort of money there is better
What's the idea behind hyphenating "Sea-Gull"?
You’ll have to ask them, they use both with and without.
To make it more distinct. Same reason Lyft isn’t just “lift” and La-Z-boy isn’t just “lazy boy”
I thought sea-gull and seagull were distinct. Apparently they're not. Misleading at best
Sea - gull........seasoned and gullible. Refers to people who buy Chinese branded cloned copies of Swiss movements.
That’s perlage mate not guilloche.
Love the review though. Grateful that you do reviews on these china made watches. Get a bad rap but sea gull does the industry justice.
Dial+
Movement+
Case-
Bracelet-
Price-
Branding-
2-4 it's a pass
That dial and handset inside a plain round edge case, cheaper movement (for a cheaper overall price), decent and sizeable bracelet, and dropping that dash from the name. For this watch, even dropping the name and leaving the logo alone would be better.
That watch looks like a knock off version of Christopher Ward, the Twelve.
Affordable overseas? 😅
How good are ST movements, anyone had one over 5 years and still running ? I could pick up a SW 200 movement for not much more
Well I just got a pagani delivered today PD-1752 DD36 (Tiffany blue) and the second hand keeps going for 3/4sec after when you pull the crown to hack… then it jumps 5/sec when you push it in? The pagani rep told me the movement doesn’t hack or “isn’t a feature on their watch” 😂 I’m like yeah ok. So I’d stay away from ST anything 1XXX. The 2XXX are decent. Or it could be Pagani sucks and that’s the last watch I buy from them… except last night I ordered their new moon watch in red 🤦♂️ I hope it’s decent. It’s a VK quartz so that’s a little bit of relief
@@greg6162 Pagani make a reasonably good watch for the price as long as they don’t have Chinese movements, VK, Miyota and Seiko movements are fine. Every Chinese movement I have had makes that awfully jump with the second hand. I’ve stripped them down and it’s really poor manufacturing that causes it
So this one of the 2 units sold lol With that finishing and for $500? No thanks
Nope, I'm out on that price.
What do you mean a legal clone? Are they paying a royalty to ETA for the right to manufacture, or is Sea-gull just making copies because ETA's patent expired?
The second one
Again... an integrated bracelet? Thanks, but no, Thanks!
Over £500 lol no chance
What’s a legal clone? Fake or not?🤣
Not fake because it doesn’t have ETA on it. The patent expired years ago on many movements so other companies are allowed to make exact copies.
Nice movement but very average looking watch. Price is way too high too. A hard pass for me.
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Why would you name your brand after the most annoying bird in the world?
Might as well have called themselves the flying rodent.
People used to think Japanese brands sounded really weird, and now there accepted
*they're