What’s the Fastest Move in Fighting?
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I wasn't surprised the jab would be the fastest. Even thou, I must say, your head kick was pre-ti fast... And maybe what the jab lacks in power compared to i.e a roundhouse it makes up by not hitting the doorpost in the 'intruder at the door' scenario.
U should do fastest 3-4 combo
@@havocgear8143 I would def watch fastest 3-4 combo
I'd be very interested to see how fast specialists are. How fast is a boxer's jab, a JKD guy's eye poke, a TKD guy's front roundhouse, etc.
This is just Fight Science but new
Depends on the person from each art.
I second this request. Might want to have the Karate Nerd Jesse back you up on this endeavor Sensei ;)
I have a slight feeling that a boxer's jab might be faster than most, just because there is SO MUCH science, training, and data put into that particular sport compared to other martial arts
@@goldensunrayspone It depends on the boxer. Not all boxers have an efficient jab.
Blinking at the same time as my enemy is the fastest move. He will not even know his defeat after blinking.
As a data analyst I’d love to see the speed plotted against power - especially given the comment you made about losing form in the hook. Any chance you could make this data set available somewhere?
I can’t rn but I could redo it in the future
That was my first thought too lol!
Haha, also a data analyst who's interested in the same question. I'm assuming there's a way to export your report as a csv file from PowerKube?
Coming from an experimental analysis perspective, it would be really interesting to see you do this with other people who come from different martial arts backgrounds. It makes a lot of sense that the karate based moves would be faster when performed by you given the sheer number of times you've thrown those techniques compared to that of Muay Thai for example. If you got a bunch of people from different backgrounds and took their average scores for speed, I wonder if the rankings might be changed. There would still be issues with it ofc, but would provide a more holistic picture of the truth.
If you get others involved, you might also be able to make a statistically founded link between training and movement speed. I think we have an intuitive understanding that the techniques we train a lot will always be better than those that we know at a basic-moderate level, but it could be cool if you were able to quantify that somehow. Give empirical backing to the idea that at the end of the day, what you actually train with will be what's most effective.
Also doing it with other people gets you another video with a well-defined and IMO interesting topic. Great video regardless, love your channel.
Someone didn't stick until the end
Also the studying of training and speed relationship sounds like a pretty good idea
Oh my god I had the same idea XD
I have a background in statistics and I want Seth's data file so much to do some statistic test like an ANOVA could be interesting xD
I mean we got enough of the truth. every kick was slower than every punch by a guy who is VASTLY more experienced throwing kicks than punches.
Nothing against kicks or karate, just they will always be slower in a test like this
That's a great idea. Fortunately he's already planning on that, and knows a bunch of martial artists from different backgrounds already. haha It definitely would be cool to see each of them do all the strikes Seth did (and not just for their respective art) to better show how much practice, training, proper technique, etc. plays a factor; but would also show a clearer picture of which strikes have the fastest overall average based on everyone's scores. I'm sure the results will be similar; but, I agree, much more accurate and detailed. Hopefully Sensei Seth will plan the video that way.
@@cadcc I don't think I'd say that Sensei Seth is "vastly more experienced" throwing kicks than punches. I mean, kicks are his specialty; but just because he's really good at kicks, doesn't really mean he's "vastly more experienced" at them than punches. Like, there's still a lot of strikes with the hands/arms in karate, and I'm sure he's practiced those strikes a lot in Karate, and even other martial art training. He even mentions how he did some really terrible hook punches because he was trying to go so fast (sacrificing speed for power). But, I see what you're saying. And, you're right. I'm sure the results would still be punches are faster than kicks, the straight punches and kicks will be faster than the round ones. I mean, Kung Fu practitioners have known that for thousands of years. And, it's a "no-brainer" that less distance = less time. But, that's even more reason to do a test with artists from different backgrounds. Yeah, teep and jab will still be fastest; but, that would better show how much training makes a difference. And better show which SPECIFIC kicks/punches are fastest by adding up all their times for each strike as well. Especially if, say the MT fighter throws the fastest MT roundhouse, but his karate style roundhouse is still just as fast or faster, than that definitely shows the technique itself is faster. Both slower than a teep, both round kicks, but much more accurate and detailed.
Plus, it's one more Sensei Seth video for us to watch. What more could you want? haha
I definitely want this to be a series with other people.
a while back I had a roommate try to jump-scare me while I was coming out of the bathroom; I was mid teep kick to the groin and arms up before even realizing what was happening. I had some TKD sparring experience from a few years before and have played soccer all my life - so kicking makes sense to me. I also like the idea keeping your distance, gives you that extra moment to figure out what's going on, plan your escape
Poor roommate
We need that sequel. Would be amusing if someone had a faster kick than some of your punches.
I like the video and the concept of traveling to the different gyms and seeing if the experts in each style are better! I'll definitely watch that. A cool format could be to see fastest move in each gym/in a class at the gym and you could get a couple videos out of it then do a summary at the end with all the best ones, comparisons in similar moves across different styles, etc tbh sounds like a lot of work but I'd click every video!
it is important to note that what's been measured is the time traveled, and not the speed (velocity) with which the strike hit the target. An elbow or a knee would've been quick too I figure, despite moving slower, but across a much shorter distance.
dude, the part on the time vs weight distribution is excellent knowledge! I would nerd out so bad on perfecting a given type of strike
Not surprising results at all,but I think it's worth taking into consideration,that if you were to optimise that jab for speed (as you did with the hook,sacrificing the power),the results would've been even more impressive. And by that I mean keeping that left hand in the long guard,so it has less distance to travel and also (typically for the long guard) keeping it moving constantly (which you kinda already did in that traditional guard)
Just recently found you and Icy Mike, just wanted to say I love your guys channels! Thanks for the entertainment and the information
My go to will always be a front or back leg teep. It's my fastest and easiest to pull move, plus I have way too many rings on my hands. Great work as usual Sensei Seth, you truly embody the martial artist who seeks understanding and betterment for one's self.
Front leg teep or a jab are my go to hits. I aim right for the solar plexus with the teep. Successfully knocked the wind out of multiple people doing it.
This was great! And yeah definitely, doing reaction times on a consistent list of strikes would be super fun. How fast is Wonderboy?!?
Man this video highlights that someone could find out the data on what they're best at and their speed and build their style specifically around it
You doing all the moves is good actually, at least for the first pass at this. That way you eliminate one uncertainty by keeping the 'martial artist' variable consistent. That lead leg head kick is actually terrifying!
The Muay Thai straight elbow might be a good contender here!
The eye jab is pretty solid if you're in a scuffle. Even if you miss they WILL react
Kind of hard to miss if you follow the blueprint Jon Jones has provided us
Eye jab is very hard to land.
@@williamnield3276 it is, but targeting the eyes is guaranteed to get an almost universal reaction out of an untrained individual
@@dcard228 So is a punch to the face
@@williamnield3276 eye jab gets a bigger reaction because it's targeting the eyes specifically and not the face. Our brains are hard wired to protect our eyes at all costs
This is pretty good science!
But now I'm interested in which strike covers actually moves your limb the fastest and covers the largest amount of distance in the shortest amount of time. If random attack is outside of punching range is it better to step in to jab or to just kick?
Also, really interesting that your jab was faster than the eye poke. It should be the exact same movement but the outstretched fingers should have made the eye poke faster. My hypothesis is that it was subconsciously thrown slower because it hurt so bad to throw.
You bring up a good point, but to counter that, you already subconsciously know your fingers may get hurt attempting an actual eye poke on an actual eye thet you might miss, and you also know stepping into a fast jab isn't going to be as much of a risk for a hand injury. It's a subconscious thing...which is why the primal instict is to strike with the fist and not the fingers even before one receives any training.
Very cool video. Are you going to do a part two using other people with different builds? Maybe also some untrained people? It would be very interesting to compare those results.
Nice graphs Professor Punch Kickery!
Now you have to subtract your reflex speed (hearing the sound then beginning motion) AND then subtract that same reflex speed from a live reacting target (seeing you go into motion and beginning motion). This is where the huge difference between the speed of a punch and the speed of a kick start to show. They don't look like much until you do -- but there is a monumental difference. It's why your guard should be in place to stop straight punches, not kicks.
this video is a good baseline for going out and visiting your martial arts RUclips friends for colab/comparison videos.
Fastest strike sounds dope. I remember watching one of Joe Rogan's podcasts where he was talking to GSP about BJ Pen on the topic of reaction time. One of GSP's coaches speculated Bj had a reaction time in the 160ms range which is insane.
+1 for a followup with the whole squad. Would love to see each move performed by a specialist, no shade on you though Sensei. Lightning FASS!
Would love to also see some of the fast sneaky strikes like the oblique kick, the open hand flick jab that kempo and kung fu styles do. Also a quick, flicking groin shot
I would think that whichever strike uses the largest number of small, lightweight muscles in its motion while moving the lightest body part will be the fastest. More muscles means more energy going into moving your body, while lighter weight makes it easier to move that body part. Legs have stronger muscles but they're also larger and heavier, which means they might be slightly slower.
Any other variable can generally be trained out, and as such will vary from person to person greatly: Examples include your own reaction time, habits like shifting your weight before a kick, developing more fast-twitch muscle fibers, how you work out, your height, weight, and body proportions, etc.
An important variable I don't think you considered enough is making sure each body part/striking surface is a consistent distance away from the target. If you start the backfist even a little bit farther away from the target than the finger-jab, it gives the finger-jab an advantage, etc. If all of the upper-body strikes, lower-body strikes, or both, started a consistent distance away, it'd be easier to gauge their relative speeds.
Finally, there are multiple meanings behind "fastest" in that instead of measuring how long it takes to make contact with a target, you could also measure the movement speed (MPH/KPH) of the limb at the point of impact. If you use a slow-motion camera with a distance scale (a la Mythbusters), you might be able to measure that.
Awesome video love the curiosity and ideas you bring to your videos
Would love to see power divided by speed for your next set of tests
Fun and informative video. Idea as an addon to this, down the road when you've got a group together for a collab of pros in their respective disciplines, have them each pick their fastest strike and put it to use on the pad. See how the results vary from your findings! Also, good on ya for getting into the courses. You are a wealth of knowledge, so it's only fitting.
I would like to see more from "Badguy" Seth please.
Awesome video, as always. Would love to see a multi martial art lineup! God bless you.
You keep coming up with outstanding videos! Hell yeah man, keep up the great work! We are entertained!
It would be interesting to test your opponents' reaction time. Because there is so little movement with the jab vs the roundhouse it would greatly effect the numbers.
Fantastic video, as always. Thanks.
Just watching the end, its nice to have this to then compare it to the practitioners of those arts throwing their own strikes. Maybe muay thai practitioners throw their kicks significantly faster, or maybe the difference is marginal, and so on.
Also, is there a way to test how fast a takedown would be with this thing? 🤔
This video is awesome!!! Much better than the documentary videos from yesteryear. You're doing great science, even if you don't know hat a millisecond is 😂 Thanks so much, these experiments are really cool to watch
I'm ready for part 2!
BRO Yeah Collab video! Do IT! Also great editing and everything on this!
Was so hoping a kick would be one of the fastest moves. I love any and all kicks. Wish you had a video course “Kicks For Kid’s”. Any how, awesome video Sensei!
Excellent content as always! 💯
Fight science on ESPN back in the day already did this. The boxing jab is the fastest the knee is the most devastating.
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Hi Seth, love the video. So, 5ms (milli=one thousandth) means a reaction time of 0.002 seconds. I believe it is a response time measured from a flinch away from an electrical current applied to a surface the fly is on. For comparison, the average human response time is about 250ms or 0.25 seconds. If you take the response time out of all your tests, you find out how long the techniques take e.g. a kick that takes 0.75 seconds total only takes 0.5 seconds travel time - the rest of it was you reacting to the sound cue.
It would be cool to see you do this at other gyms with specialists of each style
Maybe you should have gotten somebody who can actually do a pendulum kick for thay part.
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that was a nice wiew of lot different tecniques from different martial art! really interesting! eventually you can even create a new video with a collection of every move in different martial art for reference that can be cool
This is really cool! I think that if you were to do this again that you should do a set before for power, and then have a "minimum power". To ensure that you aren't compromising for power when you're trying for speed.
I’d definitely be interested in expanding the pool size of this data and definitely get a new guy a starter.
thank you sensei. i can say with utmost certainty that i really know now what i already knew :)
Hey man just started watching your vids a week ago I love em dude I practice goju ryu an Okinawan style and I just got my brown with white stripe belt today love to see a review on styles by chance would love to see something like that
Both? Both. Both is good :) I'll definitely watch the next one with different people testing their speed as well!
The feinting and popping the jab at the power cube between strikes had me dying
Dear Seth
Kempo up the A-dam(n) great work
Also, any more sumo vids planned? By far my favorite (unarmed) martial art you've tried
You definitely SHOULD go to different gyms and test their speed in their style. Looking forward to the video. This was a good baseline for those numbers though great video my dude
Lol. I was going to suggest having other martial artists demonstrate their fastest techniques. Good idea Seth
You should find the most powerful strike but have specialist in that certain martial art do it. For instance, a muay thai guy would throw a hook differently from a boxer. I think this way we can accurately compare the difference in power in each martial art. You could have a boxer, kickboxer, muay thai fighter, karate, JKD pratictioner, etc.
Mathematically the Fibonacci spiral is the optimum path of motion because it allows for continuous acceleration.
Hence a technique like Haito Uchi
Long time JKD proponent and I changed my eye poke to a sorta back finger flick. I’m trying to hit or at least threaten the eyes with my fingernails. It jams my fingers less hurts just as much and feels faster. Try it out. Also all of your times were respectably fast so great job sir
I love Evil Seth’s ripped sleeves lol
I would say a stomp kick would be a fast technique, but then the fastest technique depends on what you practice the most
Depends on your athletic preparation, in my case, skipping the rope a lot every technique that use a rear push like the jab or the whiped side kick with the front leg
What this experiment shows is YOUR specific strengths, which is why your headkicks were somehow faster than your bodykicks im guessing. Id like to see you test other fighter's speeds though you could make that a part 2!
Headkicks being faster because the hip flexor is very strong and the leg goes up faster than it can swing. With the longer time accelerating up before turning the hip, the faster the kick. A lot of westerners think we throw roundhouse kicks in MT solely like baseball bats which is a myth. The best Thai boxers can turn their hip over late. Otherwise they’d be telegraphing their kick too much. We have many styles of roundhouse kicks.!
Hey Sensai. How about a couple of traditional Hapkido strikes? One being a low kick to the ankle. Speed in situations does matter.
The problem with traveling around and getting everyone's scores in their specialist move is that each person has different base reaction times (the time it takes to recognize the ding) that could sway results. So you need them all to do a human benchmark reaction time test (time to click) that you can subtract its average from each strike to eliminate differences in time to react and getting just the time it takes to strike.
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I wonder what the results would be if you take peopoe from different styles and make them do it themself... Like... Get a taekwondo guy to do taekwondo kicks, getting a muay thai instructor to do the thai things... Get the ninjutsu guy to do the techniques, etc... But also check the power behind each one 🤔🤔🤔
I wonder how a ninjutsu zenpo geri conpares against a teep
I liked the video. I was surprised that the switch kicks were as fast as they were.
Yeah I'd love to see a much larger data pool of people with diverse styles trying to get the fastest hit in their specialty I think that would be cool af.
Sensei Seth’s thumbnails have always been God tier.
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One thing you will need to consider is your natural reaction time. Some folk have a faster reaction time as others for a variety of reasons.
So subtract your initial reaction time to the time spent in motion and you'll have the speed of the motion isolated.
That was pretty interesting I liked it and yeah if you go to my other schools that would be cool
Good video, the kicks surprised me a little, I would of thought low kick would be faster considering less travel. Hand techniques were what I expected because less travel time
Go Seth, start your collection of dojo signs
❤ love the ideas keep it up
Based on the scenario of turning the corner and theres an attacker there - I would be interested to see the reaction times of the strike from an 'at rest' posture.
Cool video! As a researcher, it would be cool to replicate this with a full sample of different martial artists.
Heyyy, I guessed right. The jab is so underappreciated. It doesn't have to be powerful because by getting there so quickly, you're literally stunning somebody. That's why it sets everything else up. It's a lot easier to land those power shots when your opponent is wondering what the frick just happened. 😄
I suppose a sound based system is easier to implement, but I feel like you'd likely react sooner to a light going off. Even though I'm thinking about the physics in my head, realistically your attacks would be more based on visual cues as opposed to auditory. I also think you being right hand dominant probably would make your attacks from that side faster in general. I know I always felt faster in sparring with the "power in front" approach.
This is not true. Scientifically people react faster to a sound cue than visual. It's something like 20 milliseconds faster.
Getting specialists sounds awesome.
I was coming home from work today (I travel a lot for work, like 300 days a year, but fortunately come January I will start a job that lets me work from home like 99% of the time so yay) and I decided to stay in France, where I am at the moment, for work, duh, despite the fact that I have tomorrow AND the day after off, but it would be an 8 hour drive home and then an 8 hour drive back so I went to the store and got three six packs of beer (although I usually rarely drink alcohol, but today I just felt like getting slammed). I also bought a WHOLE bunch of other stuff that I wanted for my hangover breakfast tomorrow (afternoon ha ha) like Cereal, bacon (hard to find in france), eggs, beans (with sausages already added to them in a can for some reason),orange juice, a bottle of whisky (not for breakfast but for taking home because it's kind of a passion for me but I only enjoy a glass or two every other moth or so and this particular Scotch is actually about 33% cheaper here in France because the distillery in Scotland BELONGS to a French corporation so I HAD to get it, right? RIGHT?) as well as a shit ton of microwave food and of course sports drinks (they got electrolytes!) for tomorrow and I have to say ALL I wanted to watch ALL DAY was this crappy video. So yeah. You're right.
That is one of the core concepts of Jeet Kune Do. Closest Target, nearest weapon. Straight line.
Strike First, Strike Hard. 💯🔥👊
If you land that eye jab, you've pretty much won. Pretty easy to beat a blind man.
@@Bl4ckD0g correct. 💯. Then add a groin kick or head kick once he's pretty much folded over or a head stomp if he's on the ground.
Simple and Deadly.
Jeet Kune Do.
Please cover Pencak Silat! The Raid movies are a good showcase of it and it's considered one of the deadliest martial arts in the world
I don't care how fast or slow those kicks are. Looks like they would break me in half if I even got near them 😅. Great video man! 🙏
Nerves send signals at 50 meters per second. 50 meters divided by size of the fly divided by number of nerves equals reaction time.
11:10; 🤫 “That Was 5” 🤫
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I feel a headbutt should be included. Various angle elbows vs punches could be cool to see too. Maybe ideas for a ep 2 on the same topic? Also, just curious, are you able to get raw data in csv format from your Powrkube?
I'd have to watch back slow speed but I think you may be squinting and even closing your eyes many times when you strike? My Moo Duk Kwan sensei used to school me on that over and over. Just a thought and mild critique because you're obviously skilled. Enjoy your videos.
This is before watching the video for reference
In my opinion you have three options:
Leopard’s paw jab to the throat
Front snap kick to the knee
Kick with the top of the foot to the groin
My initial guess would be the jab; but if it's based off the time from buzzer to hitting the pad, than I would guess elbow in the clinch. Still fast, but can't think of a strike with a shorter distance to the target -- other than just putting your knuckles on the pad and doing a one-inch punch. Would be cool to see another vid like this that goes off distance over time to see which strike has the most speed to it. Feel like that would be a lot harder to calculate though. :/ For now, I'll have to see if I guessed right. haha
Hm, interesting results -- No spoilers :). Can't wait for the vid to see who has the fastest strike. Sweet T's got the strongest kick... Maybe Wonderboy has the fastest? haha
11:56 the moment the camera guy realized he didn't have to get kicked in the groin multiple times.
I was in a judo tournament today and i won. I made a video about it
Sensei Seth reminds me of my very cool Sensei
Bruce lees back fist always looked really fast
If you had a light indicator for when to strike - say, directly on the object you are striking in front of you (ie - like the center of the force/velocity sensor), the speed of reaction would be significantly faster. It is known that the average human reaction time to visual cues is faster than it is for auditory ones. Highly trained athletes /martial artists will be faster still - especially for biomechanical movement pattens that they put their neuromuscular systems through years of training to perfect.
I Don't know if there is a light indicator version out there, but if there was, better rxn times would result. Not my opinion, just sport biomechanics at its best and any colleague at the gradual level of sportsmedicine/human performance would agree.
In layman's terms - just think: what are we measuring, hand eye coordination or hand ear coordination?
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Yes please! Go see what other people can do!
Hook kick is slow, but it's still sneaky because it starts from below the eye range, it's still a surprise. More than half the movement occurs beneath view.
I enjoyed it!
Cool vid, Adam :)
It's all about your 80s Johnny Lawrence fringe!!! 😀
do the fastest strike in each gym video plz
Which strikes are hardest to see coming? Maybe put the body armor on, then people could throw at you at a random time inside e.g. a 10s window, and you try to block the strike.
Sorry for suggesting you get your friends to beat you up but I bet Icey Mike would enjoy helping you out 😄