$15 ANTI-AGEING MIRACLE - How To Use THE ORDINARY ARGIRELINE & THE ORDINARY MATRIXYL Together
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Sharing with you how to use The Ordinary Argireline Solution 10% and The Ordinary Matrixyl together for the ultimate drugstore anti aging skincare hack.
Hey guys and welcome back to Mad About Skin where today I want to share with you how to use The Ordinary Argireline Solution 10% and The Ordinary Matrixyl for the best anti-ageing combination which is said to mimic botox in a bottle.
For those of you who have been supporting the channel for some time you will know I adore the combination of Argireline The Ordinary and Matrixyl The Ordinary for the cheapest anti-ageing skincare fix. I have never shared with you in a video how to use these two peptide serums together and I want to put that right in todays video.
In this video I will share with you how to use the ordinary argireline solution 10% + HA and the ordinary matrixyl in your skincare routine by sharing with you my current morning skincare routine for anti-ageing and smoother skin.
I would love to know what your thoughts are on the two peptide serums mentioned in this video and whether you have tried this anti ageing skincare hack so please leave me a comment below.
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Products Mentioned:
The Ordinary Lactic Acid 10% + HA
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Geek and Gorgeous Liquid Hydration
The Ordinary Argireline Solution 10%
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The Ordinary Matrixyl 10% + HA
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Mad About Skin Moisturiser (use code MASFAMILY for 15% off)
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Timestamps:
00:00 start
02:12 cleansing
02:50 exfoliation
03:35 how the ordinary argireline and matrixyl together works
04:35 toner
05:25 how to use the ordinary argireline and the ordinary matrixyl together
08:10 serums
09:49 the ordinary argireline before and after
Videos Mentioned:
Original Argrieline and Matrixyl Video
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Hey guys and welcome to todays video where I wanted to share with you how to use my favourite anti-ageing skincare hack of combining The Ordinary Argireline and The Ordinary Matrixyl... I would love to know if you have tired this hack and what your thoughts are on it so please let me know in the comments section below.. Sending you lots of love xx
OMG!! You are so annoying, sounds like a lot of shit coming out but nothing beneficial!,,
I’ve had the same results as you. I do get actual botox on my elevens only. So this has worked well in conjunction. But my brow has lifted a touch, and my forehead lines are smoother.
I was thinking of using the buffet all over my face in the mornings and the argireline twice a day on targeted areas.
Has anyone tried this combo? What are your thoughts? I have used the buffet regularly in the past and saw no results, but I guess peptides are more about keeping things looking good in the long run rather than an instant fix.
I am starting to notice my 11 lines more and more, and what to put off Botox as much as possible.
@@barbarar5869 I tried buffet before, it was useless. This time I have used argirline and matrixyl twice daily for about one month, the skin under my eyes is becoming sagging! Now I have to stop the combination. Really disappointed with the ordinary, even the resveratrol 3% did nothing to me
@@mayitbe6606 I sometimes wonder if my skin is just pretty healthy and maybe I don't see any results because there isn't really much to improve (with just skincare)? Because I have tried lots of different products, and I never notice any differences! But in the case of some products, it's really about maintenance and prevention, so that's why we don't see the results we are hoping for. Or maybe our standards are too high 😂
The only contribution I’ve got to this topic is to not neglect your neck and décolletage area. When you hit your 40s your neck will show all the creasing you’ve gained from sleeping etc. Another tip is to apply excess product on the back of the hands too as it’s also another place that reveals ageing.
Thanks for this excellent reminder!
@@jenbarclay4679 I've recently been "graced" with multiple deep creases in my neck that have developed a persistent rash from the warmer weather.
Apparently the creasing is from mobile device overuse. It's called "tech neck" I've been told. The sagging from ageing doesn't help things either. Sigh.
Yes! Both of those place is where we can actually show aging when people have face work
Korean skin toners are great for the hands, they’re hydrating and dry fast
Yes every night I put a sample retinol on my hands that I usually get in my Ipsy bag! Then when I bathe or shower I always use a retinol oil all over my neck down to boobs and my back!! Then in the morning I use 100spf on my neck and chest!! I also use my leg spf spray on my hands!
Holy moley, you weren’t wrong! I’m 51 and just started these and alternate the buffet with a good moisturizer. Game changer big time. If you’re on the fence, do it. Definitely holy grail. Thanks so much Rob!
Wow I’m about the same age and so happy to read your comment. Do you know if we can use Retinol or other anti aging ingredients along with them?
Rob, I just couldn’t pass by without saying - your skin looks absolutely beautiful!
New to the channel/ skincare routines in general and just wanted to say THANK YOU for the easy to understand, great advice and honesty you give. I'm really glad I came across your channel as I recently started Tretinoin/serious about sunscreen and learning what my skin likes/ dislikes. Seen GREAT results in short time. Actually find myself looking forward to my skin care each day.
Hi Rob. Have been using this combo since December and I am sure it has helped with fine lines. Will up my game using it this way now too. For the price, it's a great step in my routine and one I will not be without.
Am so glad I've found the joy of skincare in the last 12 months. It makes getting up in the morning a pleasure. Pot of tea, skincare and a MAS video. Bliss 😊
Thanks for explaining so well how to use the two ordinary peptides . I bought them after watching your original video and have noticed a difference around my eyes. Definitely going to use them the way you described. Thanks Rob
I’ve been loving your videos for awhile. You’re just so adorable & calming to watch … thank you for all the great info!!! Trying this combination soon! 💖
Aww Rob, my video-ray of sunshine in the evening ❤️ Love the combo of the two products, interestingly I like the Matrixyl even more than the Agireline.
I’ll be using your affiliate link right away, I need some Deciem stuff. Thank you for being so generous! 💛💙
Its a pleasure hun and its just a small way of us playing our part.. I hope your having the most amazing start to the week and sending you lots of love xxxxxx
I've been using these two serums for a little over a year, and the results have been amazing! I couldn't be more impressed and will continue to enjoy the benefits of these items for a long long time! Def a staple in my routine now
Hi if v use this , weekly once Cn I use tretinoin?
When do u use it? Morning or night or both?
@@artsyhyd both, morning and night
I don’t see using tretinoin to be a problem. Tretinoin is a must have for me. I went to school for skin. I use several different products. I’ll mix some moisturizer with my tretinoin. So try that out. Also I use tretinoin on my neck, chest, and hands. Mixed with a good hyaluronic lotion. Or switch off sometime. I use tretinoin about three to four days a week. Hope this helps. ❤
I forgot the mixing part!!! The best part is that I can move these to my morning routine and have some benefits from both in my buffet with copper peptides! This reminds me that I need to run grab my mail because I have something from the inkey list! ♥️ you xxxooo
Because of you I bought these (and the copper buffet) during the November sale. I was skeptical. (I have used Botox in the past but it’s been 4 years). I’ve just been mixing them in my palm and applying twice a day. I also do the buffet in the evenings. I’m MUCH older than you (in my 60’s) and I noticed to my horror I was getting “smokers” wrinkles! I only smoked 3 cigarettes when I was 14 and I rarely drink out of a straw. WHY!!?? I always started applying where I got Botox and my upper lip, then the whole face. After 2 months I noticed a difference!!! I will try your method next! I’m in love with this hack!
@@morgianasartre6709 exactly! Wrinkly skin is sometimes just dehydrated skin..
I adore you! I ordered the ordinary argirelin and after I watched your videos about the topic I ordered the matryxil too...I can't wait to use them! Thank you for your videos, always so informative! ❤️
Thank you so much for watching hun and sending you lots of love xx
I’ve just found this video and started to use them together and loved them, so far.
Yay I am so so glad they are working for you.. sending you lots of love xx
amazing! ive been watching all of your videos on argireline! so helpful - thank you
I absolutely use both of these and love them!very affordable!..
I will definitely try this hack as I have Matrixyl and I am just out of Argiriline but will buy it and give it some time to work. Thanks for the tip xx
*Tip
everything you used on this clip can be wiped on the back of your hands🙏
And don't forget your neck & decolletage ❤
I'm using the ageraline for a year now and love it! 💘
Thanks for the tip combining it with the matrixyl.
I never thought about the pH of the products that I use and the way they interact! THANK YOU VERY MUCH, you saved me from making future skincare mistakes! Love you and your great advices❤️ ps today I received the Argireline and the Matryxil 3000 by The Ordinary, I'm so excited to start this skincare journey!
I purchased these today. I use the Ordinary every day and night. Looking fwd to trying these!!
This is sooo wonderfully useful. Thaaank you very much 💙
Thanks for the hylamide cleanser hint. I've used it before and I love the scent. I think it is the tomato. It is for those days that you need a little extra love
The donation is so generous of you
Thank you so much for watching hun and love you lots x
I've been using it and it's fabulous
LOVE your energy.. and thank you so much for all this information❤
Thank you for this generous offer
I literally just applied the ordinary's latic acid and wasn't sure if I should/could also use my new purchase of argireline solution and matrixyl10. I decided not to chance it. Got into bed and started watching your video.... so informative!
I usually don t comment videos,but after watching this, I need to tell you. It is absolutely helpful for all of us (your friends). By the way, please try to speak as slowly as you can, for your friends from abroad. Lits of Kisses from Greece
Yes I use it from you’re recommendation, I love you’re channel 😘
Awww thank you so so much hun and love you lots xxxxx
I have been using these two products together only for a few weeks. I have not noticed a huge difference but I am 55 and I realize that it could take months to show any results. I am enjoying these products and I bought 3 of each because they are out of stock often.
Excited to try these products together!
Agreed the combo is awesome! Thanks for telling us months ago!!!!!!!! Love it
Its a total pleasure hun and im so glad its working for you.. Love you so much xx
How do you Combo it ?
You put one on, and wait a minute and then the other ?
Hello, one question, how do you do it? Do you wait a while between one product and the other? please answer me? I'm a little confused!
I just found your channel. You're so fun to watch!! Thank you for your tips. I'm going to try this combination. When do you put on your Vitamin C serum?
Thank you, kind sir, brilliant video, love your delivery. Will go for all of the products, it's affordable. Can spend a fortune in salons, need to DIY it, every way, diet (low carb, but need to eat wholegrain twice a week, or no energy) low animal consumption, more veg, fruit. Fasting up to 18 hours a day ( well I have to eat raw almonds during the fasting hours, most days). Trying meditations on youth attraction, opening the heart, divine consciousness connection (what we think is what we attract, if negative, closed in the heart we age dramatically). Then do what you love, what brings joy to self and others, what liberates us for the greater good. Good luck guys, we can beat ageing I am sure of it, we will overcome the death gene .x
Ciao Bello(gorgeous in Italian! I call my grandson that)!! Allways on point dear!! I appreciate your videos very much!! Thanks a million for being there!!I never knew you could use Argeline and Matrixyl after an exfoliator!! I use mandelic acid ..so after I can do that mix?and your serum after? Fantastic!!!💙💙💙💙
I think I'll have to pick these two up and give them a go x
I have bought these, I like the combo, haven’t used them long enough to tell yet!
Yay I am so so glad you giving it a try and I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.. sending you lots of love x
I ordered both today, fingers crossed, & your skin looks amazing!!
Oh thank you so so much hun thats so kind of you to say and I hope they work for you x
Very informative. Thank you
Thank you for the explanation.
Very well explained and demonstrated. I also use this mix every morning. Love it. 👌🏻👍🏻 And I was even thinking to add the Buffet to the mix since it also contains the synake peptide. Synake is supposed to be similar to argireline. But I will see if 3 products is not a bit too much. 🤣
Buffet has matrixyl. So you could stop the matrixyl and use just the buffet. But buffet+copper doesn't have matrixyl.
I am using this combo for a while now and I am so happy with the result!!
What result do you notice?
Oh that's so wonderful to hear and im so glad its working for you.. Love you xxxxx
@@CamilaSaurus plumped skin and it feels smother..
Can you describe your results?
Hey, Rob! Thank you for the thorough video on this duo! I was wondering if it's safe to use a niacinamide foundation primer after application of my other skincare when using the Agireline & Matrixl. Have a great evening!🧡
Thanku, been wanting to try these 2 peptides, wasn't sure on how too.
Thankyou so much I try the combo also too soon to tell only Bern 2 weeks but I like it a lot makes sens xxx
thank you for this video 🙏
I have to try this!!
This is awesome! I use Argireline around the eyes only and the bottle is lasting me for months (the effect is great, no fine lines), but now I got the Matrixyl so I'll try it like this. Matrixyl may inhance the penetration of A. I don't like The Buffet bc it irritated me, I'm super acne prone too, I hope HA in Matrixyl won't irritate, as you said, it might be the castor oil in Buffet.
I have been using them for about two weeks in the morning, I haven't noticed any changes yet. Your serum Rob makes my skin glowing though
Awww i am so so glad your enjoying the serum and it makes me so happy to know how well its working for you.. Love you so much hun xxxx
I like to mix argireline in my hand with the MAS serum to thin it out a bit, I much prefer the texture this way
It took at least a month for me to see any small change with the argireline and matrixl combo. But I have an entire The Ordinary routine specific for day and night, and my skin (and now hair) needs.
@@mortisure4081 Hello, one question, how do you do it? Do you wait a while between one product and the other? please answer me? I'm a little confused!
My forehead line less visible after 4 weeks using it.. love it
Thanks! I really wanted to try it and now I know how ❤️
I am not sure about Chlorphenesin as an ingredient though... what is your take on the ingredient list?
Hello! 🙂
1. Can I use the Buffet serum instead of the Matrixyl?
2. How can I incorporate the C Glow serum from Geek & Gorgeous?
3. How can I incorporate the Pycnogenol serum from The Ordinary?
Thank you in advance! ⚘
Hi Rob, I have recently subscribed to your channel, because you actually have a truly amazing knowledge!!!
I have used TO for a long time but unfortunately I am not sure what mixes well together.......I now use these 2 now and really like them, but now I need some help please.......what goes with what????? Thank you....?
You’re Amazing I’ve discovered your cutie face today 🥰 and I am so glad I did !!!! On my way again to the ordinary 😂☺️😘
Heard argireline works best on more mature people with thinner skin. I’m a 28yo asian with little to no wrinkles so my skin is probably on the thicker side. Hoping to see results anyway.
Hey Rob, love this channel, I've learnt so much about skincare - thank you. I'm struggling to fit Argireline and Matrixyl into my routine because you can't use them with Vit C and Salicylic Acid. I like to use Vit C with the Geek & Gorgeous A-Game 5 serum at night and I like to use Face Theory Supergel Oil-free moisturiser in the day because it's so light. Any advice? x
Ok, dump skin, argireline, matriilix, and your serum, I ll try them like that. Thanks babe🌹❤️
Really love the combo, thank you for sharing. Do they have to be mixed or is applying one than another ok too?
thanks!
add in my routin😃
I hope it works really well for you hun xx
This is the kind of information people are looking for.... what a great skincare routine looks like and a video to follow! The argireline serum caused skin irritation on my skin, but I'm thinking about trying the two together (with matrixyl) again. I sure hope Deciem is treating you well because you deserve it!!🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Happy Tuesday Patti... Thank you so so much for your kind words.. You know what Deciem have always been so kind to me, I never do sponsored content but they still email to check in, always answer questions and increased the commission for our fundraiser so we can raise even more so honestly i can't fault them as a brand.. Love you so so much xxxxx
@@MadAboutSkin That is wonderful news! I was just hoping that TO was sending you products.... I so respect your decision not to accept sponsorships!
I have been using TO Argireline on forehead and eye area then Timeless CoQ10 (which has matrixyl 3000) and it is a nice combo too
OMG!! Me too!!! And that’s why I was reading the comments! To see if anyone else does too! Do you prefer Timeless to TO when it comes to Matrixyl?? I’m sure you obviously like the other benefits of Timeless’s CoQ10? I’ve only been using it about five weeks so I’m still new to it. Do you use this routine once or twice a day? Have you seen results? Any other serums you use? Thanks so much in advance!
Hi Rob which serum do you apply first or can you mix the two together thank you 😊 x
Thanks you because I have them but didn’t know how to use them thank you
Its a pleasure hun and I am so so glad your enjoying them.. love xxxxx
Thanks for this Rob. What do you use on your neck? Mine is sensitive. Thanks!
I trust you cause I can see your goooorgeous skin
Yes I have done this combination twice a day since I heard it from you. The result? The baby butt I can see and even feel by hands on my face (I use it for my whole face actually 😅). This combination is insanely amazing 🤩🤩🤩.
Just ordered w the cleanser special but wonder since I use both vitamin c and lactic acid every day if I could alternate one day the peptides, next day the acids? I also ordered the Hylamide skin you recommended and am saving up for the niod copper amino product. Thank you💕from California
Thanks 🍃🌟!
Quick question? In the morning if using vitamin C, where would it follow in the routine you described in video. Love your content spot on. Thank you! 🙂🧡
I have the same doubt. Pity he didn't answer you, but have you find that answer elsewhere??
No. It even says that in Ordinary's directions. If you use vitamin C at the morning, you should use Argireline and others in the evening.
New subscribers here! Great Chanel thanks for sharing. Sooo, going to add this to my skincare routine. I’m cleansing then using the NOID Copper Amino Isolate Serum. Would this come before or after the Copper serum? Thanks!
You can buy both of this OR you can get the 2 in 1 from Skindeva which contains Argeraline with metrixyl together
I use the Ordinary Copper Peptide. Would I use this before or after the Argireline or should I mix it with the Copper Peptide? Do you mean you get the Brow Lift by using the Argirelene between your eyebrows on the forehead frown? Could you also mix the Argireline with hyalurinuc acid?
Thank you ❤️🙏
Helped my pore size, and my makeup goes on better, and of course, I never forget my neck and chest. I have a huge line across my forehead and the products seem to tighten it, less noticeable.
Thank you for watching and sharing x
TY Rob ! You’re amazing ! Could you let me know how to layer argeriline , niacinamide and retinol at night ? I have mature combination skin . Merry Xmas ! ❤
First retinol, than atgeriline, and after niacinamide.
I use the Argireline before, during and after I’ve demarolled. I also use the Hylamide subq. Wasn’t really interested in using the Matrixyl as I swear by my Subq 💕
I wonder if learning where the muscles are in the face that an injector knows and uses to treat wrinkles for Botox would help with knowing the best areas for applying these products to really target whatever it is you are trying to correct or cover.
The Matrixyl also contains peg-40 castor oil - wonder why it suits your skin better than the Buffet?
I (45, moderately dry skin, break outs according to menstrual cycle) started to use the Argireline Serum around Christmas on my mimic wirinkles around the mouth and under the eyes twice a day. After about a month I couldn't see any differences. At that time I also watched your video on using it together with the Matrixyl. Since the delivery to the EU takes ages I could only begin Mid-February with the combination. Until then I had paused the Argireline. At the same time I also started the Resveratrol/Ferulic Acid serum. I experimented a bit with morning and evening routines. I also use Niacinamide in the morning and Retinol in the evening (on three evenings, on the fourth I exfoliate). Now I've concluded it may be better to use the antioxidants in the morning so they can help with sun exposure. Now, after three or four weeks I haven't noticed any impact so far. I can't say anything about plumpness or hydration because I use a brilliant holy grail night cream that also does this job. The fine line/wrinkle situation didn't change at all. The serum mixture - I mix them in my palm and then apply them to my whole face and neck - feels pleasant on my skin. I think I'll use the bottles up which will take until May/June. Then I'll decide if I'm going to continue.
Any updates?
@@barbarar5869 If you like. :-) I used the Argireline up about two weeks ago and am now using what's left of the Matrixyl on it's own for not to waste it. But I haven't noticed any difference at all. They didn't do any damage but I think I could have saved the money. I've bought the Just Peptides 10% Serum from Revox B77 to give peptides in general another try. Maybe other peptides will have some effects on my skin but Argireline and Matrixyl certainly don't.
PS: Dr Shereene Idriss published a very interesting video on peptides the other week.
@@raganaregnbue6838 thanks for the update. The ordinary products are so affordable that I don't mind experimenting a bit and won't be too disappointed if they don't exactly work out. I will see if the combo will work for me and otherwise there is always botox 😂
@@barbarar5869 Good luck!
So what’s this holy grail night cream :) please spill
I raise my eyebrows a LOT so I'm starting to get deep forehead lines (it also runs in the family 🙃) so I do like to put the argireline to my whole forehead as well tbh
1st? Happy Tuesday everyone and im still yet to try this one but want to give it a go.. Love x
Happy Tuesday hun and sending you lots of love xxxxx
I always apply subq skin followed by Matrixyl (all over) then the rest of my skin care on...have you tried this??? Makes the skin look bouncy and light reflective 😇💫!! Also the Matrixyl DOES contain castor oil.
I was shocked to learn today that you don’t need to use a ‘buffering product’ after a bha exfoliant or other low ph product 😳😳 the reason is that it’s impossible for a high ph product to make a lower ph product ineffective and vice versa. Your skin naturally equalizes to its normal ph within an hour. You don’t need to wait 20 minutes either, because the ingredients used to establish a product’s ph range are strong enough to stay within the ph range no matter what you apply at the same time. Just another fairytale from the cosmetics industry 🤥 anyone who reads this, spend your money on other things than a buffering serum or toner
I don't know where you are hearing to buffer exfoliants? That's weird and you won't hear it from a single expert.
@@sarastewart2633 that’s literally what he says in this video 🙄
Ok I don’t get it because he said you should use a ph balancer because peptides don’t do well with the lactic acid.
I've been using this suggestion at night. I use Vitamin C in the am. What Deciem/Ordinary product could I use as a buffer?
Thanks much for the tips. Can you use the argireline and matrixyl at night as I prefer using vitamin c serum in the morning?
Keep this up, Rob and soon you’ll look about 12 years old! 🤣❤️xxx
I have argelline , Lactic 10 % . I use these AM , Lactic only twice a week
I will be using this hack
Hi can I use this combination on day and night skin routine? I just received them on the mail. Thanks for the video! ❤
Hi Rob! I have a question because I’ve read a lot of conflicting information…can you use the Argireline/Matrixyl in combination with Resveratrol? Thanks!
Could you please recommend a budget product to act as a ‘buffer’ between an exfoliating toner to help with rebalancing the ph? Thank you:):)
New sub. Your skin is beautiful
I tried them,but unfortunately Matrixyl breaks me out,so I just use Argireline with a face cream that has 2% Uria 👌
I really want to try this because I do have some pre-mature ageing lines. But I have really dry and sensitive skin and everything I try to help the lines dries me out further and irritates me, making the lines appear even worse. Do you have any insight on whether these products would be irritating / drying or do you think it is worth a try?
Hi! Can I use Glycolic Acid before applying Matrixyl/Argireline?
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Hi Rob, just wanting some advice please , I’ve been using timeless VitC in the same routine with buffet +copper peptides , but I do wait at least an hour in between the products , in the evening I use buffet +copper peptides with my prescription Tret again with a longer time up to 3hrs sometimes , anyway I want to start adding Argireline & Matrixal to both of my routine what’s the best way to do this, I also use ordinary caffeine eye solution can that still be used along side the other products I’m interested in introducing or is this over kill
Thank you in advance
HI how are you going???? Great video. I "NEED" your advice about HEPTAPEPTIDE( not sure of spelling) from INKEY LIST!!! By the way Idothe same w/ argerline+ matrixyl. Hugs!!!🥰
I am bit confused! How many products have you used? Could you please write them down? Thanks!! Great video.
I’m 57 have combination skin, loss of volume and wrinkles around mouth, forehead and eyes.
Can you please tell me exactly what TO products I need, when to use them and in what order? Thank you💖💖
Can I use the buffet + copper peptides in the same routine as the inky list Q10 serum?