What’s the best hardware to emulate DS, 3DS, and Wii U games?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- Emulating dual screen systems has traditionally been a bit difficult due to the limited amount of dual screen hardware on the market. Worst yet, many of the best dual screen devices (like the Surface Duo) haven’t been successful outside niche tech nerd audiences. That’s why, in this video, I highlight some of the best portable hardware options currently available. (With any hope, this video’s list will become outdated sooner rather than later.)
As stated in the video check out the various links below for more info on specific systems. Much of the gameplay footage featured in this video was taken from those previous videos.
Android
- Surface Duo Three-year review: • Should you still buy a...
- Surface Duo 2 One-year follow-up: • Surface Duo 2 One-Year...
- LG V60 Three-year retrospective: • LG V60 Retrospective: ...
- Fold 4 One-year follow-up: • My Problem with Foldin...
- LG V60 Citra and DraStic Themes: ko-fi.com/s/a2ee58e7e9
Linux and Windows
- Ayaneo Flip DS Review: • Ayaneo Flip DS Review:...
- Steam Deck One-year follow-up: • My Perspective on the ...
- Mechanism Phone Mount Review: • Mechanism Phone Mount ...
- Custom Steam Deck mount set up guide: • Adding a second screen...
- Wireless Dual Screen Setup guide: • How to Turn Most Devic...
- Pretendo Setup guide: • Getting started with P...
Connection materials to mount a display to a handheld
- Mechanism link: glnk.io/x94yz/gamexdata
- 3D-printed mount for Steam Deck (works with field monitors): ko-fi.com/s/3b9c1684f2
- Shadowcast: www.genkithings.com/products/...
- USB Camera Pro: play.google.com/store/apps/de...
- Short USB-C cable: amzn.to/3fX7dlB
- Angled adapters: amzn.to/3Eope5G
- USB-C to HDMI adapter: amzn.to/3sy6XiX
Disclaimer
Purchasing anything through the Amazon or Mechanism links may earn the channel a small commission. Nonetheless, everything recommended are materials that I have used for videos or else use during my personal time.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:18 A much-needed caveat
04:33 Android devices (DS and 3DS)
09:15 Android devices: A note about folding screens
10:34 Linux and Windows devices (Wii U)
15:09 Summary
16:41 Outro 
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Touchscreens cant beat physical buttons
Phew, u kiddin me it's like 1:10 ratio, I never even bother. When I see they sell those finger condoms I'm like wt heck is that
dude I love your videos and passion for this hobby. Seriously.
Thanks! That honestly means a lot. I feel like dual screen emulation often gets overlooked in the broader emulation community. The goal with these videos is always to spread awareness and give folks an easy resource when they get interested. Seeing other folks get excited about it all makes it all worthwhile.
@@GameXData the controller on top of the dual screen device thats the same exact size looks like a better DS tbh
You definitely deserve many more views and subscribers. You clearly put a lot of thought into these videos. Thanks for the great content 😁👍
bro just went those crazy extra miles with insanely thorough testing and options, kudos to ya sir
I do enjoy your content. You're generally well informed about video subject matters. It's a good listen while I work 🤘
I’ve been getting into this scene lately, I got siblings who are 12 and 15yrs apart from me. They are iPad kids and it’s not even really their fault, so to combat this I bought them all a 3ds to replace the iPads. I went in and modded them, put a bunch of games on there and even pretendo for live service. It’s been so fun getting to see them enjoy the same games I was back in 2011. For anyone with a capable desktop already I would recommend getting the new 3ds xl and streaming the emulators from your pc. I’ve looked into it and the ones out are very good with low latency, hopefully that saves you a few bucks. Also thanks for this great video!
I enjoy your passion for the DS/3DS consoles, and I like all the options from the least to the most expensive, with all the pros and cons. 😀
You can really tell you use \ have tried all the options featured which really adds to the videos content. Love it!
yeah that's like, the point of the video
Great video man, finally someone who goes this deep with this stuff ahah
absolutely love this video. deserves much more attention
Great video! Keep them coming
Excellent video!
Love this guy, he's passionate about this stuff.
I've found my favorite solution so far for non-3DS dual screen stuff is probably one of the hackiest options: 5-7" screens aren't hard to find being sold as portable monitors.
I have a 7" 1080p touchscreen display that I can clip to the top of my Steam Deck with a 3d-printed mount and connect with a short type C cable. I don't really use the touch input on it, but it's not too tough to set that up with "xinput --map_to_output 'device_name' " in console if you want touch input on both screens. It'd be a bit beyond the scope of a mobile RUclips comment to go into the weeds, but the Arch Linux wiki can get you going in the right direction for that.
Anyway, it's proven pretty fantastic for DS games. I don't really use it for Wii U games, since the default approach of just swapping screens usually works well for me. It does cut down battery life a bit to drive both screens, but I doubt it'd be that tough to get a power input connected through some adapter spaghetti.
But also yeah, my option is so outside the budget realm that I'd only recommend it to someone who already has a Deck and doesn't want to go the original hardware route. I only went that route because I had the screen already, but they're usually $80-120 and you can definitely get a 3DSXL in that price range.
Plus it probably helps if you like to tinker a little. It's not hard stuff; just a little more fiddly than some might enjoy.
I use a 5.5" portable monitor with touch input for my Linux desktop. Still wondering how do I mount it to the Steam Deck without making it too annoying to use.
@jierenzheng7670 If it helps any, I created a 3D-printed adapter for the Deckmate grip to attach a tablet holder to the top of my Steam Deck. It's a bit chunky, but gets the job done.
Here's a link to a short I created a while back demonstrating it with a field monitor: ruclips.net/user/shortsKc1jwvt97hU?feature=share
@@GameXData Yes! I actually watched the video. I actually found the Steam Deck to be already very heavy and holding my portable screen+steam deck in my hands before attaching together wasn't exactly the vote of confidence I was looking for. For now, I gave up and just connected the monitor to my desktop for touch inputs when necessary.
The problem is finding the right attachment with the killswitch case on.
Great video. I appreciate your well reasoned comments about considering whether or not someone should spend a bunch of money just to get the *perfect* dual screen gaming experience.
For me, the best solution has been to have vertical monitor as secondary display on my desktop PC. I also really like connecting a pair of AR glasses to my Steam Deck. I don't have to contend with big black borders when I just have a giant display magically floating in front of me.
I've actually been meaning to give glasses a shot. Both them and the portable dual screen monitors hitting the market felt a bit too "different" to fit comfortably in this video. However, if proper emulator support eventually exists, I feel like AR glasses could be a neat workaround to the current 3D display problem.
@@GameXData Agreed both are a little outside of the scope of your video. Also, I think AR isn't quite ready for prime time (maybe in a couple of years). And more than all of that, my solutions miss out of the magic of portable gaming. There's nothing quite like having your own private adventure in the palm of your hands.
Been really wanting to this for a while now
A lot of these are cool in their own ways, seeing that fold phone 3ds emulation really makes me want one, though the New 3ds non-xl model will always be my favorite, just cannot beat that ds lite level pocketability
great video keep at it
Great video
I love my Duo 2 paired with a GameSir G8. I got really lucky to find one a few months back for $300 locally, it has a crack on the outer casing on just one side, but it’s masked and held together really well with a leather skin. I use it for everything from NES-GC, PS2, DS and 3DS. Essentially all 4:3 gaming libraries with the exception of original Xbox. I could sell all of my handhelds, including my Deck OLED and I’d be happy with just the Duo 2.
Wow I never would have thought to just slap a phone or tablet on top of the steam deck for this, actually a great idea
zfold 5. It can fold giving you the two separate screens, but it also has a stylus letting you perfectly recreate the bottom screen experience.
It is not a problem for now, 3DS are still widely available. I can't say the same for WiiU/ps vita.
How does this not have more views
I love my DSL, DSi, 3DS and New 3DS LL. That probably reflects my love for duo screen handhelds but so far none of the options on the market really bring back the childhood memory😢
To be honest, if you're waiting to buy a device based on nostalgia, you're likely to end up with something that emphasizes form over function. There are hardware and software options available right now that are more than capable of replacing original hardware (outside some edge cases). It's all a matter of how you choose to perceive them going in.
meta quest 2 and quest 3 support controllers via bluetooth
I got a Samsung Z Fold 4 a few months back, easily my favorite for DS emulation! Having the folding screen adds an easy way to split the display
The Steam Deck may not have a Dual screen, but it does have a touch screen. Although it is based on mouse input. I don't support touch control could still work on the thing, could it? I mainly ask this because the DS, 3DS and Wii U all use singular touch controls, just like computer devices with a touch screen.
Note about the steamdeck: I have seen people online just using the steamdeck as the Wii U gamepad while they have it hooked up on they're monitor to use that as the main screen, I believe 3ds works with that as well, it's not portable but it's something
You're correct! As you suggested, it just didn't make it into the video due to portability concerns. I did do a series of videos on it though. There's a link to the latest one showing a wireless setup if you're interested.
Video link: ruclips.net/video/uBSaNJkoBlM/видео.html
Another suggestion:
- The xreal air as main display
- Steam deck as the secondary screen
too bad its impossible to get a rationale price for the surface duo 2
I'm waiting for my Ayaneo Flip DS, I'm excited to get my hands on it, and as for the storage limits, I guess I'll just have to get used to micro SD card swapping, since even on a 1TB card I won't be able to fit my entire library of games, but I guess I'll just be reminded of my days when my family had a PSP, where I had a couple of cards around as those games also couldn't just fit on 1 card back in the day, since those MS Pro DUO cards were expensive as hell and the most affordable big capacity was 4GB, because the 8GB and 16GB options were just too out of price range, as for what you paid to get one of those cards you could purchase a couple of 4GB ones, but its an inconvenience I am willing to get behind, to be able to have all my games on the go.
If you have a PC at home, another option could be to load the storage on that PC with games and transfer over games as necessary. Steam now has a PC-to-PC transfer option that's a bit quicker and there's no reason you couldn't set up a server on your computer (or use a cloud service) to access ROMs when needed. Given that I only play one or two games at a time, it's been a good strategy for me alongside my 1 TB of onboard storage.
@@GameXData Yeah, I know that I can always also use Moonlight or Parsec to remote into my desktop too, because the specs on it are still pretty powerful considering it has an i9 13900k with an RTX 4070, and I already use that system to stream Plex into my TVs and other smart devices, but the problem then becomes the places I go to that have no WiFi, or that the cell reception is so bad that I also cannot reliably use hotspot from my phone, or that the games I want to play rely too much on quick reaction time, so the ping added to doing a remote session would not give me a good time with those, which is why I considered the multiple microSD card approach more viable, as I wouldn't have to deal with those other issues and it would be like changing a game cartridge, but that's what makes me so excited about having such a portable system, where I even bought one of those PD powered battery banks that can even charge those 140W Macbooks, so that even if I cannot find an outlet wherever I go, that I can always recharge the Ayaneo FLIP DS.
Even though I have a 3ds and am mostly fine with it, I have loved researching this weird subject. Considering waiting for the oneplus open to decrease in price and buy that, but the surface duo also looks tempting. Edit: One thing I wanted to know was input lag between usb c and bluetooth. Is it noticeably worse or just minor?
Some folks say there is. However, from my experience, there hasn't been a noticeable difference between connection types for playing games. In general, most of the folks I've seen complain about input lag are going in with the expectation to see some difference and are inflating outcomes. If you just play to have fun, it'll be fine.
@GameXData thanks!
I actually have the LGV60 and it very BARELY just fits the Gamesir x2 wireless I would say its the PERFECT 3ds/ds emulation device the hinge makes it feel just right and the screens look great if you can get it at around 250 with the extra screen go for it BUT it takes a lot of tweaking to get it perfect
I still used my lg v50s with dualscreen case (snapdragon 855) using saitake controller. Still my best for emulating 3ds and other old games.
touch controls are a big noooo, unless it is touch screen game
100% surface duo 1, Compared to the price of say buying a steam deck or surface duo 2 or flip DS. It just feels right in terms of price to performance plus you have the option to use it as an ereader as well.
My question is @16:19 that phone and controller combo I have an Xbox elite controller whats the thing called that connects them together?
I think it's commonly just referred to as a controller clip. Here's an affiliate link to an 8BitDo model I recommended in a different video: amzn.to/44xytul
what about android running on a switch oled, vertically with flip grip? (for ds)
I've seen a few folks give it a shot. It's not a method I find comfortable, but it seems like something fun to tinker with.
What emulator are you using at 9:16? That skin also looks awesome!
That's Citra MMJ! If you're interested in the skin, you can find it here: www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyFold/comments/xa4ww2/zfold4_citra_mmj_image_pack/
Great list of options! I was looking at the duo2 but yes soo expensive lol - will the duo1 play 3ds at all, just not all? Any chance of a list somewhere?
The Surface Duo 1's more than capable of emulating 3DS games. It's just that you'll need to run them at native resolution and maybe accept more frequent performance problems on certain games. From the devices I've used, the Snapdragon 855 chipset inside is latest chipset to have occasional difficulty emulating many of the easier-to-run games I'd be interested.
Performance is really game-dependent though. For me, a good test of whether or not I can live with a device's performance has been to try running Super Mario 3D Land. Chipsets with more performance issues will tend to play the game slower or have trouble quickly rendering shaders in the background (resulting in stuttering). If you're looking for a good first game to try to gauge performance, I'd definitely recommend trying that for yourself and then moving down to New Super Mario Bros 2 (which tends to be easier to run) for a more conservative estimate if 3D Land gives you troubles.
I have a note 10 plus with a similar chipset and it has no problem emulating 3ds games at 2x res. Granted I have only tried OOT 3d and EO IV, but I would be fine with the performance.
@@danielgrezda3339 same as the duo1?
A hacked 3ds is the absoulte best way to experience all the nintendo handhelds in one place with the nintendo 2ds being the cheapest option and ive found to be the most comfprtable to hold in at least my hands. Then a hacked ps vita is the best way to experience vita , psp and even some emulators, its just a matter of rather you want the oled screen on the 1000 with no internal memory or the slim with 1gb internal memory, slightly better battery life and a lesser but not bad at all lcd screen
I'm curious if you have any experience with the gaming phones/ android gaming devices with active cooling. Does it make a big difference in demanding games?
I don't have any firsthand experience with gaming phones in particular. However, from all the testing I've seen in the past, the really available surface mounted coolers popular with gaming phones don't tend to make a huge difference (maybe 1 or 2 degrees). A slight boost to cooling can technically lead to slightly better performance, but it's hard to tell how noticeable it'd be for anyone not looking closely. Typically, if your phone is overheating, you'd get more gains from letting it rest and then lowering your settings.
With that in mind, having a good fan inside the case (e.g., many modern handhelds) can make a large difference. Especially on larger devices, having more cool, flowing air over the processor should help delay thermal throttling quite a bit more than passive cooling alone.
@@GameXData Yeah I was thinking of devices like the ROG/ Redmagic phones or the Razer Edge with built in active cooling fans.
I have a steam deck and a legion go. Amd I have the samsung galaxy fold fold would they be a good set up for dual screen gaming?
For sure! I've made a few guides in the past with me strapping my fold to my Steam Deck for dual screen gaming. It works surprisingly well.
What is the emulator you're using that has the 3ds skin in the background
Citra MMJ. It allows for custom skins
I remember their Android tablet that had a 3D screen, but I forgot the name. Do the emulators support screen 3D output?
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I think it's Leia Lume Pad 2
Emulator support is actually one of the pain points. For the Red Hydrogen One, I needed a specific fork of Citra to work with Leia's tech. As far as I know, even that compatible fork was discontinued without the features being added to the main app.
@GameXData The last update is May 11, 2023 for Initial LumePad 2 Support
Folding and dual panel phones are great for ds/3ds, but current options for Wii U emulation are a bummer. They work well enough for single-player stuff, but the absolute best thing about the console is the separate gamepad for asymmetrical multiplayer. The games that utilized it well are what make the console such a hidden gem, and losing that completely removes too much. What would be great is if it was possible to use an Android phone with a telescopic controller as the gamepad along with connecting several Wiimotes all on a PC emulator. Something I dont think has heen figured out yet. At least, not the last time i looked into. I eventually gave in and just bought a Wii U. I think they'll eventually skyrocket in cost, so best to pick it up now.
A massive homebrew scene, easily hackable, a library of games that are made around a very niche set of features, the ability to play every single console Nintendo ever released up to that point either through emulation or by running the games natively (Wii and GC),
it really does it all. When you pair that with the fact that there are very few of them actually out there, an eventual surge in demand seems inevitable at some point.
If you're looking for asymmetrical Wii U emulation, you might want to consider a Steam Deck. Steam Decks are fantastic for Wii U emulation in general, and a wired or wireless connection to an external monitor or TV works great for mimicking the original hardware's setup. For local multiplayer, you can even connect multiple controllers to the Steam Deck and have them work in Cemu.
If you're interested, I've made a couple videos detailing how wireless setups work using Steam Link (one's linked below). It's only not mentioned in this video because it's not exactly a portable solution.
Wireless dual screen Steam Deck setup guide: ruclips.net/video/uBSaNJkoBlM/видео.html
Do you know anything about the ROG phones with Twinview Docks?
Unfortunately, my only exposure were the brief references in reviews back when they launched. I'd be interested in giving them a shot, but they seem fairly uncommon on eBay at the moment with the phone + dock being $500 - $600 investment.
Great video! Exactly what i was looking for. Sadly none of the devices are good. I am after something similar to rg35xx-h size wise for playing 3DS. I don't get why its so hard to emulate 3DS games to be honest. The 3DS hardware isnt that powerful. I get the dual screen dilema though.
Any suggestion today? any other devices you can recommend?
3DS hardware is honestly a lot more complicated than most give them credit for. There's a lot more needed to emulate its library well than raw processing power. With that in mind, its performance is still a decent step up from DS hardware. That alone is still a huge contributing factor to pre-Snapdragon 855 devices having degraded performance.
If you're looking for the most compact dual screen device to play 3DS games, I'd honestly recommend just getting a New 3DS. Considering most consumers are looking for larger screens, I doubt we'll see anything close to its size release in the near future.
@@GameXData Thanks, thats what most say also. Just wanted a device that can do multiple emulation. Looking at Retroid Pocket 4Pro. I do have a 3DS XL already but if i can have 1 device that can do all of them it would be optimal :D
I use Lenovo y700 8 inch tablet which has a side USB C port. I use it with gamesir G8 controller. Works great.
So to use an iPhone as a second display on a steam deck essentially it goes like this ? Steam Deck -> Deckymount - > Mount iPhone - USBC to HDMI Convert for Genki Cast -> Use USB Camera Pro to send a signal -> Load up DS Emulator -> Choose iPhone as an available second screen -> Play DS game and profit ? Please let me know if that sounds about right, thanks!
You have the process flow correct. However, you might run into issues using USB Camera Pro. As far as I know, UVC apps are only available for iPadOS at the moment.
@@GameXData Thank you, for the update, great content❤
Duo 2 til it dies
What about a Samsung z fold can get a z fold 3 or 4 for 150-300
a kick with 2 screens would be cool. also why don't we flip the switch and print a new controller mount to slide in the the slots?
I mean, you can if you want? The reason why a Switch might not be the best device for dual screen emulation really comes down to the fact that it's a single screen device.
Can someone please tell me what game is that 3:37
Thank u !!
Who this smartphone use in the thumb?
If you can afford to buy a used one, If you want Ds games buy a DSI XL/ll, If you want 3ds games an old 2DS (it is the most comfortable in price and use) or a new 3ds XL perfect balance for mod or an AliExpress Card you can buy them all once the whole mod is done
I emulate cus some games to buy for original hardware games are getting more expensive for example devils therd on wii u is getting there in price so much I ended up buying it digital on the wii u store before it closed
I might as well get the actual hardware and dump the roms on a micro SD reader to run them on said hardware then.
I'll admit I'm not up to date with the after market prices for NDS', but I'm certain it's far cheaper than getting 2 Yoga Laptops just to run an NDS rom.
Where in the video do I suggest buying two Yoga laptops?
@@GameXData Whatever device Windows Surfaces are.
They're certainly not cheaper than an actual NDS.
@dylives7667 Surfaces are tablets, and I don't include them in my purchase recommendations. I think you might want to watch more than the video's intro.
I'd have to disagree about the 3DS. Not a single game requires 3D to play. Yes, it's a neat gimmick but adds no if very little value, in my opinion. I'd checkout the Ayaneo Flip, it has two screens. Great details about device options! I had completely forgotten about that LG dual screen device. For most I'd recommend the Adin 2, yes it has a single screen. Unless you are playing primarily DS games, I'd rather deal with the weirdness of a single display but have a fantastic device.
Honestly, if you recall the 3DS' 3D feature being a gimmick without value, I'd recommend going back to check it out. One of the biggest advantages of enabling 3D is an interesting emergent effect that can increase the perceived quality of certain graphics and provide some worthwhile separation between game layers. Mario Kart 7, in particular, I keep coming back to on original hardware because I love how 3D enhances the feel of the courses.
@@GameXData I'll definitely check it out. I wasn't trying to say you were wrong. Just to make sure you *need* it before worrying about it. I'll need to dust off the ol 3DS and Mario Kart. Great video!
@beersandbacon Oh, for sure! I totally knew what you were going for. I just know some folks remember the 3D a bit weaker than it was if they haven't tried it in a while and you might find it interesting to try again. (Sorry if I came off a bit aggressive or anything.)
Also, do either of the duo devices have an micro sd card slot?
There's no micro SD card slot in either Duo. Although, I've found the 256 GB of onboard storage in mine to be more than enough. Cloud storage (e.g., OneDrive) also works well to offload larger files.
@@GameXDataI'm not so sure if uploading copyrighted files to the cloud is a good idea though.
I use my zfold 5 with a controller that holds the phone and it's flawless
Also you can run rpgxp games on android....fan-made ones
hacking a 3ds LL was my best decision. if i really wanted to i could sync saves between that and my phone
Why ont use a tablet... like tab s6
So bottom line there are no cheap options to properly emulate 3ds and lets say old gba games? Cool video but I hoped for an option to have a dedicted pokemon device that can properly emulate 3ds as well as gba. For a reasonable price
Best option is to mod a 3ds
@@Bryndleson modding a 3ds wont be good because you cant have things like fast forward, save states and so on
It's very simple. Find a 3D display. They should be out of patent. If not, the 3D overlay, should ve possible. Any retro console makers could make one, with the open source projects or emulation through linux on the best processors. Stick two together and use the second one to control linux keyboard. A tablet version os probably cheapest.
It's a bit more complicated than you're thinking. Reusing a 3DS display would likely be too low resolution for most folks these days on machines performance enough to emulate 3DS games. Meanwhile, more modern displays by Leia are expensive and seemingly haven't been made in a size smaller than a tablet since the Red Hydrogen One. Any company looking to creat a new, small 3D device with any semblance of quality would likely face more than a few manufacturing challenges.
Even if you do have the hardware though, the software support needs to be just as solid. Just because you have a 3D display doesn't mean every element of every app or operating system will also be rendered in 3D. Apps need to be patched to specifically enable the feature. There'd also need to be a serious amount of work done to maintain driver support for a 3D display in a handheld as the operating system around it changes. It honestly doesn't seem worth it just to support emulation of a single console whose primary emulator is currently on rocky ground in terms of developer support.
@@GameXData I think you should take a simpler view. The 3D display is for the 3DS. It was a simple blocking striped overlay, and heaps of manufactures made products with that type of display. Manufacturers only need a spacer grid (or plastic sheet) to separate the two LCD's (or OLED and LCD blocking lines plate). They can produce it to any resolution that is normal for today. The developers, or system, render one different view to two different buffers, the 3D effect is produced. Not much of a driver, and there has long been 2D to 3D conversion routines, and pseudo methods to set up 3D interface elements can be used. The developers just calculate their left right views, and no elaborate 3D/GPU is needed. It just depends on how far you want to go. If you want to go to steam deck levels, it's going to cost.
Nintendo used an old el cheapo Australian 3D technique, before it ran out of patent, did simple work, and the developers did simple games.
MIT or Caltech researcher did a much more sophisticated 3D blocking layer technology, and the Red one is probably based on an idea I put forwards decades ago for LCD, a better elcheapo technique. Jim was often telling us he would reveal how things work, and I would say,is it the (technical design) suggestion I made, and then he wouldn't reveal how things work. The compression technology ones hurt the most. Would have loved to see how close to what I wrote about, and what deviations they made. Just a freak coincidence (unless it was part of my 3D camera phone suggestions) that they choose that screen technology.
I think you're taking too simplistic a view. Disregarding the extra developer support needed to make the 3D experience comfortable from a software standpoint, adding extra display manufacturing steps for a niche product still requires a large upfront cost (both monetary and work time) to comfortably implement. As much as you want to label it a cheap technique, there are a ton of user experience considerations that need to be made in conjunction with the display tech. Kind of like how companies haven't traditionally been able to slap second screens on devices and have it work perfectly, no company is able to just swap in a 3D screen and expect immediate full integration. A company would either need to invest a ton of resources into doing it right or drop it on the market as-is and hope the community picks up the slack. We are multiple technological steps away from any semblance of a drop-in solution that'll actually be comfortable for folks to use and handheld manufacturers to take advantage of without significant investment. Short of another 3D media boom, it seems more likely for us to get affordable AR glasses before another 3D dual screen device with modern specs.
@@GameXData You are conflating and dancing around trying to dismiss.
Who cares about developer costs, we are talking about a retro gaming device which can run 3DS. I notice how you dropped a lot of points like resolution and interface. If a home brew person wants to develop a 3DS game, he has the same difficulty as developing natively to a bigger screen.
Hardware developers always have costs, and develop hardware. This is just another hardware. There are plenty of low volumish emulator handheld systems on the market, so they have a pro getting it right or the feel (done do, as they don't have the ability) but many do.
Now, the reason companies don't drop a second screen in, is the same reason they will give you a worse screen to save 10c, taking $1000+ dollars off of the users experience over the life time of a product, because they safe money and 100,000 10cents savings in sales, is $10,000 to them. An extra screen is an extra uneeded expense where there is little software for it. I would hope that don't do this for 1 cents, but per million sales that's $10,000, which is still a lot on third world countries. I don't think things are always as complicated as they seem. We get plenty of people imagining they have quality from their brands a s that extra $1 feature is worth $500 on a camera. Not realising the companies are doing things in their own interests and as they can get away with it.
Now, it's very late, and I couldn't read all the stuff, even though fortunately I can read at the moment, but you have one sort of good point. They layering of the screens are known metrics the engineers find out and measure and refer to patents, to recreate, then systematically test out the feel. If they have brains, they might also look up reports of I'll effects and research on them, and avoid them. I don't know what sort of engineers you are around, but it's part of doing the job well. Every bad product is likely to have bad engineers not doing the job right. Now, for expense . You find an existing manufacturer get the test rig and metric/advice off of them, and negotiate a deal when you find good ones. If the manufacture had 100,000 4 or 6 inch 3D panels in inventory that never got sold 10-20 years ago, you may get a good deal at a loss to them just to get it out of storage. If you cone across a manufacturer who used to make it, and so a deal to remake 100,000 using new existing parts. There are only a few differences and items that have to be made to fit the product together from premade parts. Even if you find some cheap third world local manufacturer of LCD, and determine they have the right parts, you could take all your documentation down to them, and ask them for a deal to put 100,000 together, and so forth. If you ask them to make a new type of LCD they have never made, on the other hand, they are going to look at you funny, explain they can't do that, and maybe offer to find such product as a middle man. Bits all to do with complexity and capacity. That 3D effect is one of the cheapest to do. Your favourite manufacturer sells you something at $300, not because it's $300 worth of plates, but because it's $3-$30 worth or parts. Retail is markup, and no direct indicator of real costs. With this case, they paint between the lines by the numbers, create a spacer like they normally do, put it together, probably with a LCD circuit each display rather than make a new board. You might say what am I going to do with two cables, and they offer to sell you a way to join both. But, if they are good, they wire it up with one controller controlling both (as the striped screen is very simple) but the second lcd probably already has a controller for it.
Nobody said it's going to be work or nearly free. It may for you, but these are good engineers. It reminds me of this programmer designing a zc81 compatible computer with no experience in electronics. I think it was 18 months latter, he finishes wiring if up with three sockets or so, including the zc-81's ula, and some passive parts Inna nearly empty board, and turns it on, and it doesn't work. The guy has a following and a forum, and the zx81 design and chip to go off of, he is virtually painting by numbers, and he still can't get there. A real engineer would have that copied and soldered up in hours of work, or less. A totally new design, you would be there weeks, months or years, depending on how complex it is. And this is the point. The complexity of such a design has been understood and documented, and likely encapsulated by manufacturer, so the engineer doesn't have to deal with it, outside making sure nothing goes wrong in interfaces power, environmental concerns and interactions between components, and with outside sources like the users. They also have to ensure its structural integrity over time too, of course. A LCD manufacturer would be more aware of that.
However, a new 3D system sounds good. I have a friend developing a commercial retro game system. Be already has his display lined up, do it's too late, but he likes 3D.
Anywayz you can't develop good stuff if you keep saying it's impossible. You have to say, what good solution is possible. I did all the time, and found impossible solutions.
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I imagine it's easier to tolerate different control schemes of you didn't spend moderate time with original hardware. I have a really hard time using a dual shock out Xbox controller to play N64
There's definitely some truth to that. I've seen plenty of folks have a great time emulating 3DS games by clipping a controller to their phone and playing with their virtual displays sitting side-by-side. That'd be incredibly uncomfortable for me but doesn't bother others in the slightest.
With that in-mind, I'm always hoping that I can at least help folks consider some of the merits to experiencing games in the way they were built to be played (even if they don't want to use original hardware). Considering how niche dual screen hardware is these days, I've a feeling that idea might get lost among the emulation crowd if folks like me don't keep bringing it up.
@@GameXData makes a lot of sense. Used DS and 3DS hardware aren't hard to come by [in the US]. Wii U ownership is a little niche but I recommend it for anyone that likes homebrew.
If budget is at 300~ then just get a Region Unlocked New 3ds XL, they have the best hardware out of all the 3ds Family, theres no region issues, and you get an OG system.
Tbf, that's not a great recommendation for folks looking for an emulation device. On top of the emulation benefits stated in the video, folks looking for dual screen emulators are also often looking to emulate systems 3DSs can't handle or else don't play as well.
What's the cheapest device that's not an OEM device?
For that, check out the Android section of the video.
You didnt use the flex feature on the z fold smh
Tbh, considering how small the virtual displays get when placing them above and below the hinge, I couldn't in good conscience recommend it as a good method to play DS or 3DS games. If someone's looking to buy an Android device with comfortable touchscreen emulation, an LG V60 is a much better device to seek out.
@@GameXData not sure with fold you used but in flex mode my ds emulator is perfect i would recommend the zfold5 for emulating everything honestly
@stevenjp911 If it works for you, that's great! As shown in the video, there are just plenty of dual screen options available that provide space for much larger virtual displays with either much less blank space around displays (e.g., Surface Duos) or more comfortable touch controls (e.g., LGs phones). Add in the high cost and durability concerns of folding screens, and Samsung's fold line is far from my first recommendation for dual screen emulation.
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Can u battle?
you will never get close to good gameplay if you are not in original hardware for 3ds and ds, now, if you don't care and wanna play more than ps1 games, yes a new hardware is cool, but i have my new 3ds for 5years+ and still have plenty of games from 3ds to nes that i wish to play on
Best hard ware is original and vr
A 3ds on EBAY for $100 will need a LOT of work and most likely won't function at all. More like $150...just saying. On screen controls really suck so the phones are out for a decent playthrough. Ugh anything that involves Steam Deck - too HEAVY and really uncomfortable to use. Best way to go mod a 3ds and mod a Wii U. Flip DS is interesting but way too expensive.
I think you'd be surprised about 3DS pricing. I picked up a 3DS earlier this year on eBay for around $100 with some minor cosmetic scuffs, and it works perfectly fine. It's all a matter of being patient and reading listings closely to make sure you get what you're looking for.
To this day, I am grateful my cousin gave his n3dsxl to me. A modded 3ds is a MACHINE
Kinda depends. It's something you have to consider any time you buy a used console or gaming peripheral.
One thing I started keeping an eye out for a few years ago is claims that the console was previously used by adults. We can be rough with our stuff too, but we're usually a bit nicer about scuffs and chocolate smears. You won't see a claim like that in lot listings, but individual listings often contain a bit of a "life summary" so you can at least have an idea what to expect.
Agreed on going the console modding route though. The hardware is more reasonably priced, it does _exactly_ what you buy it for, we've had time to figure those things inside and out, and replacement components are still fairly easy to find.
You can easily find a Japanese original 3DS for under $100. You can also get a New 3DS LL for $200 in nice condition, and with mods, they function like any other region 3DS. You can for sure find a North American 3DS around $100 if you look hard enough.
I don't get it a samsung s series is arguably better depending on preference you get the s pen just like a ds/3ds and the touch screen is even more responsive than a 3ds or nds can ever hope to be. And you can even get better performance hordes of 5 pokemon on pokemon x for 3ds doesn't lag on my s24 ultra at all where as I've heard that can lag on a real 3ds or new 3ds . I'm not knocking having real hardware tho. I would get a 3ds and mod it but that can be costly depending I do have a switch and ps4 sadly don't have any of my gameboys/ds or older consoles as I had a family member who could be quite the thief unfortunately back when I lived at my old house. So emulation helps me alot to play these classics especially emulation on android and now even iphones are starting to have easier access to emulators.
The answer is simple: homebrew.
I can't with these digital buttons
They're honestly not bad for games that don't require triggers. The LG V60 in particular has possibly the best digital controller setup I've tried so far.
Doesn’t the Samsung z fold work ? 😂
Folding screen phones are more than capable of emulating 3DS games with just enough screen real estate to not be totally awful. They just have the drawback of not being the most comfortable way to experience the games (on top of being much more expensive than proper dual screen options).
A touch screen tablet drastic emulator Xbox controller =DS
Lol, no need for any of this guys recommendation because these are too expensive. Just have a 2-1 laptop with integrated graphics like i have lenovo flex 5 14" with R7 4700u and 8 gb ram. I use me second monitor/ iphone/ samsung tab 6 as second display.
I'm not sure that a 2-in-1 is a great alternative. Even the model you mention is going to be just as expensive as either handheld PC option in this video for less portability and potentially worse performance.
just get the actual hardware imo
Yeah
Actual hardware is great, but I would really like better res.
Nope 👎
For the price? Definitely yes.
First off, this is easier said than done
Secondly, original hardware may work as intended but it has many limitations. Meanwhile emulation allows for adjustments that may provide a better gaming experience and even help people with disabilities to play
For example, I have low eyesight, so being able to play the game on a big, bright and colorful OLED display helps a lot
in the current state of emulation it's just better to buy original hardware, a 2DS can be had under 60 and a Wii U for around 120-150
original hardware is better
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I can't stand that emulation has become Main Stream, that means the walls are going to start closing in sooner than later
Well, Yuzu is no more thanks to that.
Of all the things in gaming, emulation is the hardest to gatekeep.
But the people in charge of Yuzu itself were the true architects of their own demise by giving Nintendo what they needed to bury them 6 feet under.
I'm certain 2 things will happen after this, they either come back under a different name or a new emulator will pop out.
In the animal kingdom, Gamers are the most resilient of species.
No Offense mate but you give me like Redditor admin vibes
Ur mad he’s passionate and informed
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Great video