i wish the bottom screen was bigger, it just looks awkward compared to the much bigger top screen, and like you said, ds and 3ds games that have transitions between top and bottom screen will look very clunky
@@YustinJ420 Its usually cheaper to import a Japanese 3DS than it is to buy an International one as resellers mark the prices up on international 3DS systems
You deserve so many more subs. Great vid showing this off from your perspective. I’ll stick with my Deck OLED + Surface Duo 2 setup to get a proper balance of both systems for their use cases. The Ayaneo DS’s subpar control setup is a deterring factor for my PC library and as for the Wii U library, most of the good ones are either ported to Switch or emulated fine elsewhere. DS setup and configuration is also much less tedious on the Duo lol it just works via DraStic. This seems like a great device though for those who really want an All-in-one device.
One important note why some may want to get a dual screen Handheld. + To watch videos, movies, tv shows, youtube - let's play, walk throughs, podcasts etc.. In the background while playing games.
Shame about the price (though it's definitely at least partly the "niche product" tax,) because I think this is pretty close to a _really_ good form factor for these gaming-focused mini-PCs. Maybe someone will come back to the concept later and try using a larger bottom screen and maybe fitting the sticks in better. That one'll probably be expensive too, but it might be more interesting. This is one of those designs that I really want to see work well, but we're probably always going to see compromises like with the sticks here.
I totally agree. I think one of the huge problems is that DS-style clamshells are difficult for anything other than portability. As much as I enjoy the Flip DS' compactness, I'm kinda hoping a hardware manufacturer attempts putting controls on the outside (e.g., a Surface Duo with a GameSir x2) for more comfortable Windows gaming.
@@StopToBreathe literally a single Google search tells you "Yes, go to settings>graphics>tick the box next to "stereoscopic 3d" and set the percentage to 100%" why is this too hard for you, bud? Need me to hold your hand?
@@grthjryrd7552 nice SINGLE brain cell lol, it looks like shit doesn't compare to the 3d that 3ds have. Also be mature and speak like an adult not like a creep
The biggest issue with this is the size of the lower screen and the distance between the screens, making it kinda pointless, most of all for ds games like Contra 4 or Yoshis's Island DS. That's why I am waiting for a device that works like a smartphone controller where you can place the screen unit horizontally or vertically.
No different than a smartphone. On rare occasion, swiping at the bottom-most edge gets awkward due to Windows 11 gestures, but I've otherwise had no issues.
I actually wish GPD made a dual screen, the Win Mini seems much better. Glad I didn't get the Flip DS. For portability, I find the GPD Win 4 for that. Still wondering if I made a right choice instead of going for GPD Win Mini. I got a 3DS XL for DS+3DS games.
@NoRestEffect Ah, I see. Yeah, niche consoles like this don't get a ton of love from the accessories market. With the exception of a stylus (which should be easy to find), I'm guessing you'd have to DIY what you're looking for.
How is this the “Best 3DS” when 1. It doesn’t even have 3D so it should be “The best 2DS” and 2. The bottom screen is absurdly small. My favorite game franchise is Yo-kai Watch and like I don’t want to imagine playing it with that tiny thing.
So if all you want this for is 3DS/DS games why choose this over a new 3DS/XL running CFW with h shop for cias and twilight menu first DS Roms? Ok the screen is undoubtably better but still has no stereoscopic 3D and you might as well look for an IPS (or dual if lucky) variant of 3DS For handheld steam gaming I’ll stick with the deck.
If all you wanted was a device to play the 3DS and DS games with the features of original hardware, you're correct that buying original hardware is the best way to do that. Emulation devices (in general) simply offer a different way to experience the games. A device like the Flip DS offers bigger, better displays than a 3DS with more flexible gameplay options. (I personally enjoy it more than my Steam Deck mostly due to its compactness.) If none of that vibes with you, that's chill, but it's another option if it ever becomes something you're looking for.
After a couple months of awkwardness, Ayaneo updated their software to provide a few dedicated keyboards for the bottom screen. They're not perfect, but their existence goes a long way to making the Flip DS much more accessible for general Windows usage. To check out the keyboards in action, here's a link to the follow-up video: ruclips.net/video/qYRcQ_rR1m0/видео.html
I've heard the battery is god awful and that it isn't fast enough for good Wii U emulation. I have no idea why they went with x86 here. ARM would've had a much longer battery life and this form factor just isn't good for x86 yet.
I'm not sure who told you that, but they're giving you bad info. As described in the video, Wii U emulation and battery life are both pretty great on the Flip DS. As for wanting an ARM-based machine, Cemu and Citra don't work well with Windows on ARM at the moment. Overall usability for gaming likely would've suffered.
@@GameXDataI believe I saw it on another video. I just looked at an article saying that it has about 3 hours of battery at the max. I would've preferred if this were an ARM device running Android, which likely would've made it a lot smaller while having a much longer battery life, which is something I'd personally sacrifice Cemu for. It's a lot of money to spend on what I hear is 1 hour if battery for Cemu. I was interested until I learned it was x86 because I figured the battery life just wouldn't be there.
Yeah, no, I've gotten 4 - 5 hours in Citra (~13W) without trying in the past. The Flip DS' form factor is perfectly fine for Windows but would be terrible for Android. If you're looking for a dual screen, Android alternative, you should be looking at the Surface Duo 2 instead.
I recently just bought a new nitnendo 3ds XL about a week ago and this really caught my attention. It seems like a great way to play 3ds and wiiu games, but i just feel like the bottom screen is way to small, and it takes a lot of effort to setup the emulators PLUS theres no 3ds home menu. So until then it just doesnt seem worth buying it. I feel like your better off just buying a dual ips new nitnendo 3ds xl.
To be fair, I've had no real usability issues with the screen size for dual screen emulation, and both Wii U and 3DS emulation only take a couple minutes to set up one time. I'm also not quite sure I miss the a 3DS home menu, but it's easy enough to set up game shortcuts on the desktop if you don't feel like using a dedicated game launcher.
Not exactly. There are a few laptops and one smartphone with stereoscopic displays, but Citra isn't perfect with either. VR headsets can also somewhat work, but they also introduce some awkwardness with controls.
I'm honestly not too sure about that. Even on my much larger Surface devices, stylus input still isn't the best for fine window organization. Including a digitizer on either display likely would've also increased the price a bit.
I find that my Steam Deck gradually loses battery while in Sleep mode at (anecdotally) maybe a few percentage points every few hours. (Slow but noticeable if I leave it sitting for a while.) By contrast, I've left the Flip DS sitting with its lid closed for over a day and noticed virtually no drop to battery remaining. It's also worth noting that my Steam Deck takes 2x - 3x longer to wake from sleep. The longer perceived battery and quicker wake have actually made a large difference in how convenient the Flip DS is to use each day.
@christianr.5868 Right? The general improvements Windows has made over the years to hibernation settings and wake from sleep are really showing with the Flip DS.
I honestly don't think this is a great handheld to experiment with different operating systems. If you need a Linux handheld, Steam Decks are always the better bet. Meanwhile, the Flip KB or GPD's devices will likely be more useful clamshells due to their included keyboards.
This is why I think Nintendo Switch 2 like this. But powerfull just 60fps ok for me because 120fps always expensive and hard to make. Nintendo, please close the expansion pack, too expensive, and a stupid few games. I will wish a backup console.😅
Well, the "Best 3DS" is also not gonna last nearly as long as an actual 3DS. 5h+ was the lowest playtime you'd see in the most intense 3DS games. Plus, that thing looks chunky and less convenient than a 2/3DS/XL Although portable dual screen device would make a fun, but overpriced, Wii U emulator
Yes. The system treats both screens as individual monitors. As a result, you're able to set a main display or alter display positions through Windows settings. The one caveat is that the AyaSpace overlay follows the secondary screen. When I've tried making the bottom display the main display in the past, I also ended up with the overlay blown up on the top screen when I needed to use it.
I would buy such a device when it would actually have the 3D feature just like in the New Nintendo 3DS XL. It has some nice extras, im sure you can play at 5x or 10x resolution and with dome nice shaders but it just needs 3D
If 3D is the killer feature you're waiting for, you'll likely be waiting for a while. Only a few higher-end laptops carry 3D displays these days. Even if the tech managed to shrink down to a handheld, we would need a 3DS emulator specifically built to utilize the display tech.
Jokes aside, the lack of use for Street Pass on original hardware these days (outside dedicated meet ups) still saddens me. It was such a fun, social feature during its heyday. I really wish Nintendo had carried the feature over to the Switch.
I respect the refresh design of the dual screen hardware given nintendo 3ds hardware on all versions are legitimately horrible, but that is overpriced and not worth it compared to the steam deck that can do much more
I've created half a dozen videos this far demonstrating that exact set up. I can tell you for certain that strapping a phone, tablet, or field monitor to a single screen handheld is not the same experience as a Flip DS.
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i wish the bottom screen was bigger, it just looks awkward compared to the much bigger top screen, and like you said, ds and 3ds games that have transitions between top and bottom screen will look very clunky
love the commentary and tone of your voice, no doubt your channel will achieve big success
Honestly at that point you can just find a Japanese 3ds online for cheaper and mod it and load up games with hshop
Why Japanese though. Customs are going to be high
@@YustinJ420 Its usually cheaper to import a Japanese 3DS than it is to buy an International one as resellers mark the prices up on international 3DS systems
At what point. I already have a 3DS and this looks better.
lol I did exactly this 😂
@@YustinJ420 customs only applies to large things, they don't charge on smaller things like games
the bottom screen shoulve been the same size as the top screen tbh. Ill probably wait this one out, maybe theyll fix it when the flip ds 2 comes out
Very excited to get mine. The wait has took longer than expected.
Great video, love to see gameplay.
I kinda want this
it alot bro wtf
You deserve so many more subs. Great vid showing this off from your perspective. I’ll stick with my Deck OLED + Surface Duo 2 setup to get a proper balance of both systems for their use cases. The Ayaneo DS’s subpar control setup is a deterring factor for my PC library and as for the Wii U library, most of the good ones are either ported to Switch or emulated fine elsewhere. DS setup and configuration is also much less tedious on the Duo lol it just works via DraStic. This seems like a great device though for those who really want an All-in-one device.
It was nearly so so close to being like the go too.
This monstrosity cost 700 dollars?!
One important note why some may want to get a dual screen Handheld.
+ To watch videos, movies, tv shows, youtube - let's play, walk throughs, podcasts etc.. In the background while playing games.
Literally the only reason I want one. Don't plan on any wii u or 3ds emulation at all lol
Good review keep working you'll make it big 👏
Shame about the price (though it's definitely at least partly the "niche product" tax,) because I think this is pretty close to a _really_ good form factor for these gaming-focused mini-PCs. Maybe someone will come back to the concept later and try using a larger bottom screen and maybe fitting the sticks in better. That one'll probably be expensive too, but it might be more interesting. This is one of those designs that I really want to see work well, but we're probably always going to see compromises like with the sticks here.
I totally agree. I think one of the huge problems is that DS-style clamshells are difficult for anything other than portability. As much as I enjoy the Flip DS' compactness, I'm kinda hoping a hardware manufacturer attempts putting controls on the outside (e.g., a Surface Duo with a GameSir x2) for more comfortable Windows gaming.
nothing really can match the 3ds because no one is willing to implement the 3d feature.
Emulators have in the settings, do reserch
@@grthjryrd7552 huh? you can't just enable 3d as a setting, it's a hardware feature? U good?
@@StopToBreathe literally a single Google search tells you "Yes, go to settings>graphics>tick the box next to "stereoscopic 3d" and set the percentage to 100%" why is this too hard for you, bud? Need me to hold your hand?
Why am I the only person in this comment section with a single brain cell?
@@grthjryrd7552 nice SINGLE brain cell lol, it looks like shit doesn't compare to the 3d that 3ds have. Also be mature and speak like an adult not like a creep
The biggest issue with this is the size of the lower screen and the distance between the screens, making it kinda pointless, most of all for ds games like Contra 4 or Yoshis's Island DS. That's why I am waiting for a device that works like a smartphone controller where you can place the screen unit horizontally or vertically.
11:20 Speaking of the stylus, how responsive is that bottom touch screen?
No different than a smartphone. On rare occasion, swiping at the bottom-most edge gets awkward due to Windows 11 gestures, but I've otherwise had no issues.
Great video, cinematography, commentary, and review. Beautiful work my friend :)
I actually wish GPD made a dual screen, the Win Mini seems much better. Glad I didn't get the Flip DS. For portability, I find the GPD Win 4 for that. Still wondering if I made a right choice instead of going for GPD Win Mini. I got a 3DS XL for DS+3DS games.
As a previous owner of 4 x GPD devices, I hope you don't have bad batteries with your Win 4.
@@BWT599 Hopefully. So far the 7640U is doing fine.
I never seen anything like this, but I want it? not sure. I love the concept but I'm thinking on how I can customize it
What kind of customization would you be looking to do?
@@GameXData perhaps a case with a styluus, some skins or bumper grips. I’ve had a lot of fun customizing my steam deck.
@NoRestEffect Ah, I see. Yeah, niche consoles like this don't get a ton of love from the accessories market. With the exception of a stylus (which should be easy to find), I'm guessing you'd have to DIY what you're looking for.
This was a great and interesting video.
How is this the “Best 3DS” when 1. It doesn’t even have 3D so it should be “The best 2DS” and 2. The bottom screen is absurdly small. My favorite game franchise is Yo-kai Watch and like I don’t want to imagine playing it with that tiny thing.
clickbait
Id say the best 3ds looks to be the Surface Duo with a 3rd party controller attachment
Great video! Somehow strange seeing AAA games running on a ds form factor
if only it was actually affordable
So if all you want this for is 3DS/DS games why choose this over a new 3DS/XL running CFW with h shop for cias and twilight menu first DS Roms?
Ok the screen is undoubtably better but still has no stereoscopic 3D and you might as well look for an IPS (or dual if lucky) variant of 3DS
For handheld steam gaming I’ll stick with the deck.
If all you wanted was a device to play the 3DS and DS games with the features of original hardware, you're correct that buying original hardware is the best way to do that. Emulation devices (in general) simply offer a different way to experience the games. A device like the Flip DS offers bigger, better displays than a 3DS with more flexible gameplay options. (I personally enjoy it more than my Steam Deck mostly due to its compactness.) If none of that vibes with you, that's chill, but it's another option if it ever becomes something you're looking for.
i personally like the 3ds way more, simply cuz playing animal crossings with the 3d on is such a treat
I remembered that brought nintendo 3ds
After a couple months of awkwardness, Ayaneo updated their software to provide a few dedicated keyboards for the bottom screen. They're not perfect, but their existence goes a long way to making the Flip DS much more accessible for general Windows usage.
To check out the keyboards in action, here's a link to the follow-up video: ruclips.net/video/qYRcQ_rR1m0/видео.html
I've heard the battery is god awful and that it isn't fast enough for good Wii U emulation. I have no idea why they went with x86 here. ARM would've had a much longer battery life and this form factor just isn't good for x86 yet.
I'm not sure who told you that, but they're giving you bad info. As described in the video, Wii U emulation and battery life are both pretty great on the Flip DS.
As for wanting an ARM-based machine, Cemu and Citra don't work well with Windows on ARM at the moment. Overall usability for gaming likely would've suffered.
@@GameXDataI believe I saw it on another video. I just looked at an article saying that it has about 3 hours of battery at the max.
I would've preferred if this were an ARM device running Android, which likely would've made it a lot smaller while having a much longer battery life, which is something I'd personally sacrifice Cemu for. It's a lot of money to spend on what I hear is 1 hour if battery for Cemu. I was interested until I learned it was x86 because I figured the battery life just wouldn't be there.
Yeah, no, I've gotten 4 - 5 hours in Citra (~13W) without trying in the past.
The Flip DS' form factor is perfectly fine for Windows but would be terrible for Android. If you're looking for a dual screen, Android alternative, you should be looking at the Surface Duo 2 instead.
I recently just bought a new nitnendo 3ds XL about a week ago and this really caught my attention. It seems like a great way to play 3ds and wiiu games, but i just feel like the bottom screen is way to small, and it takes a lot of effort to setup the emulators PLUS theres no 3ds home menu. So until then it just doesnt seem worth buying it. I feel like your better off just buying a dual ips new nitnendo 3ds xl.
To be fair, I've had no real usability issues with the screen size for dual screen emulation, and both Wii U and 3DS emulation only take a couple minutes to set up one time. I'm also not quite sure I miss the a 3DS home menu, but it's easy enough to set up game shortcuts on the desktop if you don't feel like using a dedicated game launcher.
if you're gonna use 600+ on a handheld, might as well buy a new phone. I don't see any reason to buy this.
Are there any stereoscopic 3D deices that can fully emulate the 3DS?
Not exactly. There are a few laptops and one smartphone with stereoscopic displays, but Citra isn't perfect with either. VR headsets can also somewhat work, but they also introduce some awkwardness with controls.
Only in VR not on a handheld if u 3D just get a OG 3ds
the price is too high to justify it
My Samsung Z fold 5 does great emulating 3DS
Has the handelt a wireless connection
Bro you got the perfect presenter persona. Easy sub. Great video!
Most of the second screen's problems could've been solved if they included a stylus
I'm honestly not too sure about that. Even on my much larger Surface devices, stylus input still isn't the best for fine window organization. Including a digitizer on either display likely would've also increased the price a bit.
3d screen?
The [New] 3DS ranks Best
3d video And Pictures
Scans Face To Avoid Blur
True 3D
The steam deck has a sleep button too? How much more battery life can this thing get in standby mode
I find that my Steam Deck gradually loses battery while in Sleep mode at (anecdotally) maybe a few percentage points every few hours. (Slow but noticeable if I leave it sitting for a while.) By contrast, I've left the Flip DS sitting with its lid closed for over a day and noticed virtually no drop to battery remaining.
It's also worth noting that my Steam Deck takes 2x - 3x longer to wake from sleep. The longer perceived battery and quicker wake have actually made a large difference in how convenient the Flip DS is to use each day.
@@GameXData wow that’s honestly pretty impressive. Even the real 3ds lost a lot of battery life in sleep mode
@christianr.5868 Right? The general improvements Windows has made over the years to hibernation settings and wake from sleep are really showing with the Flip DS.
i wonder why there are no nice ds reps on taobao
I'd buy it if it is able to run kali and debian...
Could you install these OSses? How ist the hardware.compatibility?
I honestly don't think this is a great handheld to experiment with different operating systems. If you need a Linux handheld, Steam Decks are always the better bet. Meanwhile, the Flip KB or GPD's devices will likely be more useful clamshells due to their included keyboards.
This is why I think Nintendo Switch 2 like this. But powerfull just 60fps ok for me because 120fps always expensive and hard to make. Nintendo, please close the expansion pack, too expensive, and a stupid few games. I will wish a backup console.😅
Well, the "Best 3DS" is also not gonna last nearly as long as an actual 3DS. 5h+ was the lowest playtime you'd see in the most intense 3DS games. Plus, that thing looks chunky and less convenient than a 2/3DS/XL
Although portable dual screen device would make a fun, but overpriced, Wii U emulator
Can you use the second screen as the main display & play your games
Yes. The system treats both screens as individual monitors. As a result, you're able to set a main display or alter display positions through Windows settings.
The one caveat is that the AyaSpace overlay follows the secondary screen. When I've tried making the bottom display the main display in the past, I also ended up with the overlay blown up on the top screen when I needed to use it.
and is not even the best 3ds
L
cry
dont let the pc nerds see this
The title should be best "2DS"
Wow
I would buy such a device when it would actually have the 3D feature just like in the New Nintendo 3DS XL. It has some nice extras, im sure you can play at 5x or 10x resolution and with dome nice shaders but it just needs 3D
If 3D is the killer feature you're waiting for, you'll likely be waiting for a while. Only a few higher-end laptops carry 3D displays these days. Even if the tech managed to shrink down to a handheld, we would need a 3DS emulator specifically built to utilize the display tech.
@@GameXData thats why ill stick with 3dsxl for now, stereoscopic 3d is very underated feature
Folding phones are great for emulating 3ds
That's actually a dope console lol
Does it have street pass tho
Jokes aside, the lack of use for Street Pass on original hardware these days (outside dedicated meet ups) still saddens me. It was such a fun, social feature during its heyday. I really wish Nintendo had carried the feature over to the Switch.
I respect the refresh design of the dual screen hardware given nintendo 3ds hardware on all versions are legitimately horrible, but that is overpriced and not worth it compared to the steam deck that can do much more
Out of curiosity, what are you thinking a Steam Deck can do that a Flip DS can't?
With what Nintendo is doing right now, it's not a good time to be looking for 3DS emulation devices
the best 3ds is the 3ds. Not this weird Complicated mess of a handhekd.
me being on a switch lite
Nah, I'm good, I like the 3ds I already have.
Bottom screen is tiny, and modding a 3ds is extremely easy and runs better
Way too overpriced, pretty cool tho
The best 3DS is a 3DS and costs nowhere near what that devices costs.
U can make ur own get a ally and connect ur phone thru USB run a desk space software and u get a way bigger dual screen device
I've created half a dozen videos this far demonstrating that exact set up. I can tell you for certain that strapping a phone, tablet, or field monitor to a single screen handheld is not the same experience as a Flip DS.
no offense to Ayaneo but they made the ugliest handheld I've ever seen
This isn't a 3ds.
There're no games I even want to play on that system, it aged pretty bad.
For Windows?
Agreed, ironically the dsi is more timeless as it's quality is higher, and the game library is better
@@GameXDatalol your viewers are sub 90 IQ.
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