Step by step battery replacement on a Honda Ridgeline (2nd Gen) or Pilot (3rd Gen).
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Replacing the battery isn't difficult if you know know how to do the job correctly. Tools Needed: Philips Screwdriver + 10mm wrench +Group 48 H6 battery.
The cable I added is an 18" negative ground cable that is normally used to connect the negative terminal of the battery to the chassis. It's a very basic cable available at any auto parts store, Walmart , Amazon, Harbor Freight, etc.
I had the battery out of my truck for over an hour and did not have to enter any security code for my Navigation system.
Honda Ridgelines and Pilots are known for being very sensitive to a weak battery.
I had a 1st generation Ridgeline and it started having odd electrical glitches when it was about four years old, I replaced the original battery and the glitches went away.
My 2nd generation Ridgeline is about 4 years old and it's locked itself when parked in the garage and then the navigation system shut off and then came back on while I was driving yesterday so I suspected my original battery was about dead. With winter coming I didn't want to wait until it died completely so I bought a new battery. When I removed the original battery it was bulging out on the ends, so it was definitely going bad.
Tried to help my neighbor by jumping his vehicle, only to find I couldn't access my own battery. The owners manual has no info. This video has educated me. Thanks
I'm so glad the video is helpful! Thanks!
I finally got the confidence to go outside and change the battery on my wife’s 2020 Passport. It was not difficult at all, just a little pain in the butt. Your video was very helpful. I watched it multiple times. Thank you for sharing the information. 👍
Awesome!!!
Went out to start my 2017 Ridgeline this morning, and for the first time in 7.5 years it wouldn't start. Pretty good for the original battery (and 70K miles)! This is one of the best how-to videos I have watched, though - felt and sounded like my own Dad showing me the proper way to change a battery. Thanks a bunch, @Koolbob2!
Wow, you may have the longest lasting OEM battery I've ever heard of! Glad to hear the video helped you replace it.
It's too bad they don't train mechanics to be as thoughtful and careful as you were in this video. You did a great job making the video informative, helpful and comprehensive. 👍👍
Excellent video!! You saved our guest who had hundreds more miles to travel this morning and had no time to wait for his roadside assistance. We had no idea how get the battery out, your video was beyond excellent!! Thanks so much!!!!
Great to know the video helped!
This is an excellent tutorial!!! Thanks so much for taking the time to make it! It definitely saves me some time! Well done!
Thank you.
Valuable on point and we'll done.
I'll still have my mechanic change the battery. I'm lazy. Your video is an example of how ALL videos should be done
Thank you!
If you look in owners manual they show you where to hook up negative cable. I saw where a guy put a 6 mm bolt in hole in fender, pretty easy fix. Thanks for this informative video. No strange background music and stupid commentary!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment! I am aware of the negative bolt workaround and that's ideal if you are the one with the dead battery. But, if you are jumping someone else off then a more direct connection to the good battery is preferred vs connecting to the chassis. www.hondaongrand.com/how-to-jump-start-a-car.html
Thank you very much. Changing out the battery on my wife’s 2020 Passport this week. Bought the battery today. 👍
Hope all goes well, please report back if the video helps!
Thank you. Indeed as most here have already stated, your video was first rate and helped me get my Ridgeline back on the road.
Perfect. Made the whole job a walk in the park.
Awesome! Glad to hear the video helped a fellow Honda owner!
20 seconds into the video, thank you for that Ridgeline Pro Tip on the hood!
Extremely useful. Thank you. My battery wasn't holding a good charge (no bulging), so I removed it to charge with the Noco Genius5. I'd been using a Noco GB40 jump starter, but that wasn't doing the trick anymore (and it was getting old to have to do that every so often). Your video allowed me to do this job safely and effectively. I'll absolutely be adding an auxiliary ground cable to make getting to the negative terminal easier in the future. Please keep up the great content!
@Remanifest Thanks for watching, I'm glad to hear the video was helpful! Thanks also for leaving such a great comment!
Thanks for the great & precise video. My new to me 2017 still had the original battery, and I didn't want to roll the dice on getting stranded this winter. I was quite surprised to see the lack of immediate access to a proper negative terminal or point when I had to help a neighbor jumpstart his car. The thought of adding an extension to the ground did not occur to me until you mentioned it.
I used your video as a guide to replace the battery on my truck and purchased an extra deep 10mm socket for my impact driver and had a metal trim removal tool ready. The whole process took around 5 minutes because I knew exactly what to expect after watching your video. The extension cable for the negative point I used was 18" long, however 15" or 12" would work just fine as well.
Good call on replacing your battery before it leaves you stranded, you definitely got your money's worth getting 6-years out of the OEM battery. Glad to hear the video helped!
I was running my accessories in my truck in a parking garage while waiting for my wife to complete a Dr. visit. I did not have the engine running and forgot that the headlights were on due to the automatic off/on selection. So when I tried to start the engine the electronic window went all wonky and reported every problem imaginable with the truck! I figured out what was wrong very quickly and had to go find the valet parking guys to get a jump start. There is a bolt holding the air intake duct that grounds to the chassis so I did not have to remove any plastic etc. I was concerned until I noticed that bolt! My battery charged up OK afterwards, but the battery is 5 years old and it only took about 30 minutes to run down the battery with the headlights on, so I will be replacing the battery. Great video with good details and camera view.
Thanks much for your effort.
P.S. You can barely see the metal bolt holding the air filter frame in the upper right corner of your video. That's the bolt I used for the ground to jump my battery. It is clearly visible at 3:21 into your video.
Thanks for the great video. My honda pilot 2019 battery died yesterday, when i tried to start it made a stuttering sound and goes to accessory mode. I was able to replace the battery myself watching this video. To pull the plug or cable attachment shown at the 2:54 timeline of the video, i tried to use the screw driver and pinched my finger nail, using a plier did the job. I tried to shop for batteries around, Costco has the best deal on H6(48) battery.
Costco here had price on shelf at $169.95 rang up at $123.00. Great price for pretty good size battery!🔋
PERFECT step by step vidoeo - great job Koolbob. Even explaining the issue (dash lights acting funny) helped me determine I did have a battery issue. Thank you for a great DIY!
Thanks for the video. I just purchased a '23 and its much more work to change vs my '17 CRV. The -ve cable addition is a awesome idea which I will add - we have 6-7 months of winter and I don't need to be moving plastic during a deep freeze as its almost guaranteed to break.
Well done video. What was the little trouble light you used, do you like it and where can I get one
Doing this with your sweater and dress shirt on, you are a total pro my friend! 🫡
LOL, it was what I was wearing when the battery died, so the dress shirt and sweater became my work clothes.
Best instructional video of all time. Wish you could make videos of everything in life I need replaced. Thanks a ton!
Thank you!
Great video, with some great ideas! You helped me with the proper handling of the plastic stuff on top, and I added the ground cable exactly as you did, making a jumpstart feasible. Thanks again.
Awesome! So glad to hear the video was helpful!
As usual: clear, concise, spot-on instructions and some advice I wouldn't have thought of ( eg. adding extra ground cable to make jump starting mine or others easier)... Thx again for posting such great videos!
@mmInPA Thank you and thanks for watching!!!
Really good vid with great tips! I'm having to do our 2018 today and I'll dang sure add the negative cable, what a great idea.
Thanks for the quality video.
Thank you! Glad to help another Honda owner!
did you purchase the additional negative cable or did you make it? Thanks, great video!@@Koolbob2
@@pminiger9278 Thanks! I bought an 18" long negative ground cable from Amazon, it's cheaper than buying the components to make a cable.
Thanks! EXCELLENT tutorial! Happy Holidays!@@Koolbob2
Thanks for the excellent video. You are an excellent teacher.
Glad to hear the video helped!
Absolutely perfect tutorial
Thank you!
Great video. Helped tremendously
Great video, but damn!! I have a 2006 Honda Ridgeline and the battery is right there when you prop up the hood. All the beauty covers and the like on the Gen2 sure make the job a lot harder. And your battery lasted 4 years which is what I get on my truck. Think I'll keep my 2006 a while longer!
@danjoe22 I had a 2012 Ridgeline RTL-E for six years before trading it in for my 2018. The 1st Gen. Ridgeline is great, I really prefer the more comfortable interior, better milage, more comfortable ride and other refinements to the Gen. 2 has over the 1st Gen. I don't mind removing a few snap clips to change the battery every 4 or 5 years.
Thank you for this video. It helped me immensely today. I also added a ground cable based on your suggestion. I didn't even know they existed. 🙂
This was an excellent instructional video. Good job. I was suspicious when you were having a nice looking sweater on and no rubber gloves. never have changed a battery without holes appearing in my clothes after a few wash cycles. (it's been many years). So do we attribute no white chalky acid getting out and the longevity to the battery enclosure and fan? I'm amazed and the quality and design of this Honda Truck, I love it, Its all the truck anyone needs (usually). I am disappointed though that Honda and Toyota are not making EVs. it could be they are waiting for better battery technology, which I think is around the corner. (CATL batteries). when they do I hope they get Tesla's self driving auto pilot and FSD which is the best and most liked feature of their cars.
Great video. Keep up the great Ridgeline content. I plan to buy one in the next couple of years as my Honda Element has 240,000 miles on it. Still going strong but I’m ready for something new.
I always liked the Honda Element and they seem to run forever. I probably would have bought one if Honda would have made a 'fancy' version of the Element with more sound deadening, carpet and a little bit bigger motor. This is my second Ridgeline and I'll probably buy another one in a few years.
We have a 2000 CRV 294000, looks rough, a hail storm ate it up pretty bad, we keep it for a run around at the farm.
Get that Ridgeline you'll be thrilled, we're on #3 and they hold value.
That was a very nice video. Thank you for sharing.
Very well and Informative video, I was looking to purchase a 2022 Ridgeline, so I like to know all the maintenance on the engine, etc..
Thank you for the video..
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Very helpful.
Outstanding video!! One of the best how to videos I've seen.... Thank you!
Wow, Thank you!
Great video, it was very helpful.
Thank you for the videos on the Ridgeline they have been very very helpful and informative!!!
Good video. I'm surprised that you don't use a memory saver while the battery is disconnected to avoid having to reset tons of setting and avoid issues.
The only thing I lost was radio station presets, everything else was fine even though the battery swap took hours because I was filming.
Thanx Koolbob2…big help, nicely done.
Thanks for watching, glad to hear the video was helpful!
Super smart jumpstar hack!!!!!!!
Thanks for your help!
Thank you for this video clear concise and right to the point exactly the information I needed
I am guessing you have not seen the vehicles that have the battery in the trunk or under the rear seat😮 now those are a real pain!
I've replaced a few hard to access batteries, dad had a VW fastback with the battery under the rear seat and we had a '67 Sunbeam Tiger MkII with the battery in the trunk. I also had a '68 VW DoubleCab with the battery in the back next to the motor.
This is one of the worst designed battery locations i have ever seen. My brother has a passport and it also has a cooling fan that you have to remove. . I just did this for him and it took 40 minutes. I changed the battery on my 2014 Volvo XC60, 3.2 Engine in 4 minutes. I am not kidding you.
Couldn’t agree more. The oil filter is in a ridiculous location also.
May I suggest a topic? Sometime this spring I will be changing over and or rotating my tires. I am somewhat capable. I have even done this job on a Porsche. But the Honda Ridgeline seems to have tricky little jack points, but now that the snow has melted I will be crawling under the car/truck and getting a better look.
By the way the negative terminal is a great idea.
That battery location is nuts, I’m on blood thinners so my hands would look like they had ran through a meat grinder after doing this
It's inconvenient to remove all the stuff to get to the battery, but not at all difficult to change. I did it wearing a dress shirt and sweater because that's what I was wearing when I realized the battery needed replacement.
Very well done!
Thank you from CA
Thanks for the tip on the bracket arrow
Great video did you have to recalibrate the computer when you switched to a agm battery?
@brucepeabody3361 Nope, I did lose my radio station presets, but everything else fired right up I didn't even have to put in the radio security code and I had the old battery out for at least 30-minutes.
Thanks for this video...very clear and helped me a lot. I'd like to add the cable to the negative terminal, but I'm not sure what to purchase or where to begin with that. I'll inquire at the auto parts store, but if you have any tips of your own I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks again!
The cable I used is a ground cable that would normally be used to ground the negative terminal of the battery to the chassis or to ground the engine to the chassis, it should be available at any auto parts store. Mine is 4-gauge and about 15" long.
Great video!
Informative video. I got a 2022 ridgeline and was surprised how the battery is buried. I ordered the negative jumper from your link. Did you need to replace the negative bolt to frame to a longer version to fit the jumper terminal?
@rubenu5157 Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment! I was able to use the factory bolt to attach the 'ground' strap to the negative terminal of the battery.
Well done on this video! You were so clear on your explanations. From the very start, I was informed. I had no idea about the second hood holder; how great is that!?! Down to the number of snaps I should hear when returning the cover. AND @ma8108, I agree about the dash lights indicator explanation. I forgot to buy the negative battery cable but will do so after this good explanation, since I did have trouble finding a spot to add the negative cable when I got the jump start. Thank you!
@tonybrubaker5450 Thank you for watching and letting me know the video was helpful!
While you have it apart, you might want to add those red and green corrosion prevention pads under the battery terminals.
In the past I used to install those in all my vehicles, especially back in the days of vented batteries that had to have the water topped off from time to time. I haven't found them to be necessary with the newer sealed batteries.
@@Koolbob2 Very cheap insurance to use them and terminal spray. Only time you will ever be in there again is when putting in a new battery.
Thanks! Just found your videos! Ordered the dual horns and the wire. How about some pointers on the horn installation?
Also, have you done the mods on the rear doors so they open wider? Pretty easy and very helpful to have.
Great video. Meaning to ask if you had any issues with the truck before you change the battery like the alarm system going off with low voltage or any alarm issue? I have a 2021 Honda Ridgeline Touring and in 2023 I had the alarm go 3 times today and I checked the voltage and it was 12.5 but I should have checked it before I left work.
I had a 2012 Ridgeline (first generation) and now a 2018 (second generation), both started having weird electrical issues as the battery got weak before the battery went completely dead and wouldn't start the truck. If you checked your battery with the engine off and got 12.5v, that's not bad, but I usually get closer to 13v when I check mine. If it were me I'd swing by an auto parts store or mechanic and ask them to check your battery. Most of these places have a special meter that test how the battery performs under an electrical load similar to a starter motor. It will give a true assessment of the battery's condition. If the battery is getting weak, check with your dealer, your battery may still be covered under the 36month 36,000 mile warranty.
thank you - what is the length of that extra negative cable?
Sure thing, the cable is 4-Gauge diameter and 15" in length. www.amazon.com/TOPDC-4-Gauge-Negative-Starter-Conductor/dp/B01K68YC2W
Great video, but what about retaining the computer settings? why didn't you use a 12 volt power source for the battery cables while changing battery? Did the settings remain?
Most of the 'memory retaining' devices I've seen plug into a cigaret lighter plug and are worthless since the lighter plug is switched off unless the ignition switch is on. I did consider using one of my Robyn 18v batteries connected to a step down voltage converter set to 12v and connecting a pair of leads to the battery terminals, but decided to just swap truck batteries and deal with any radio codes that came up afterward. I had the OEM battery out for a good 30-minutes and everything resumed as normal when I was finished with the battery install.
Enjoying your informative vids & tips for the Ridgeline. Just purchased a '21 RTL. Installed the cabin & intake filters. Next is your battery (-) jumper mod & new battery. Where do you suggest purchasing a new battery? Thx : )
Thanks! I checked out Consumer Reports and the Walmart store brand, EverStart, gets high marks and is readily available. Walmart sells a lot of batteries, so their batteries in stock are always factory fresh. I opted to upgrade from the standard lead-acid battery to the AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) battery because of their longevity and higher output.
@koolbob2 My apologies if I missed it. But does the Honda Ridgeline retain all computer settings when disconnecting the battery?
I've seen other videos mention a memory saver... went on to Advance Auto Parts real quick and it looks like these things are a bit pricey.
I figured a 'reboot' of all systems might be a good thing so I didn't use a 'memory saver'. Everything was fine after having the old battery out for over an hour, didn't even have to put in the security code for the stereo. The only data lost was my radio station presets.
Great video did you use a memory saver?
Thanks! I did not use anything to maintain power while changing the battery. It was at least and hour without any battery in the truck while I cleaned up the battery box and shot video. I did have to turn the radio off and back on again, but I did not need to enter the anti-theft code.
If the audio system theft protection does display a code entry screen press and hold the power button for two seconds.
Excellent video, I'm about to replace the battery in my 2017 Ridgeline. I want to install the negative battery extension but I can't find the link to the one you got. What length did you use? I found a 4 gauge cable on Amazon but I don't know if I should get the 18" or the 24".
Mine was 15" in length, so the 18" should be just fine.
Thank you!
Just purchased a 2018 Ridgeline & have followed most of your improvements like the tonneau cover & console divider. I do have a question on the negative battery cable extension you used (about 2.45 minutes into this video). What AWG (gauge) did you use? I've called Honda parts & read many on-line articles on this & only one person said they used a 2 AWG. Honda parts stores guys had no idea what gauge to use. What AWG did you use? Also, shouldn't there be some sort of cap, or cover, to go over the end of the cable so there isn't a short or something? Would it be best to use a copper cable verses another metal? Thanks for all your videos. I plan on using them to continue upgrading the truck & when it comes time to change the transmission oil & filter, etc. Hope to hear from you soon.
Congrats on your new Ridgeline!
As far as I know all modern automobiles with internal combustion vehicles in the United States use a 12-volt electrical system with the Negative terminal of the battery connected to the automobile chassis so the entire vehicle is 'grounded'. The cable I used is an 18" ground cable that is normally used to ground an engine block to the frame of the vehicle, it is capable of transferring the current necessary to operate an engine starter and therefore more than adequate for jump starting a vehicle. I attached the end of the cable to the negative terminal of the battery and it is zip-tied down so only the last few inches are unattached, the rest of the vehicle is already connected to the negative terminal of the battery, therefore my additional ground cable I added can't 'short' against anything under the hood since the entire vehicle is already grounded to the battery. The only thing the loose end of the cable shouldn't be allowed to touch would be the Positive battery terminal. Since the Positive battery terminal is already insulated by the red plastic cover and my cable is zip-tied down so it can't reach the battery insulating the ind of the cable is unnecessary. All that being said, there is no harm in insulating the end of it if you like.
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Thank you. Just ordered the cable. Very much appreciate the quick response.
Believe it or not I have not added the cable yet but planning on it today. Have another question if you don't mind; when bolting the cable to the negative battery cable that is grounded to the frame should I somehow keep the battery grounded while attaching the new cable with the negative - I'm thinking I do not want to lose the 'juice' to the electrical components therefore needing to reset the radio, etc?
Great video! As a side note, terrible design by Honda. Easy battery terminal access when stranded is essential!!
You never jump directly to the battery terminal on top of the battery when it’s weak. The gasses rise from this caps and could cause a fire if ignited. You ground on the frame away from the battery.
I just ordered the ground strap and appreciate you sharing that. I was wondering what I would need to do if I needed to get jumped and/or help someone by jumping them. Based on the video it seems like the one end of the ground strap just goes under the bolt that the negative ground wire is attached to the chasis? So basically I would just have two negative attachment points at the bolt that is on the frame of the truck, correct?
Thanks for watching! My intention when I bought the ground strap was to attach it directly to the negative terminal of the battery, but when I removed everything and realized how easy it would be to simply attach the new cable where the battery cable is grounded I did it that way. I suppose, in theory, a direct connection to the battery may be superior, but I think the way I did it is sufficient.
You don't need access to the negative terminal to get a jump, just fyi
@@allwoundup3574 Thanks for watching! You are correct, it's easy to connect to any good ground if jumping from another car battery to the Ridgeline. But the battery booster packs I have call for a direct connection to both battery terminals, the extra ground strap is more direct than any other ground point except the negative battery post.
@@allwoundup3574 Manual says to connect the negative cable to the engine hanger only, under the engine cover.
it would be nice if you said what size wrench and socket.
I encourage everyone to make a how to video at least once. It's not as easy as you might think. No matter how specific and detailed you are, someone will complain about something. If you will look in the description below the video you will see a list of the tools needed.
I noticed you said Honda used a 620 amp battery and you though they were skimping on the amperage, you replaced it with another 620 amp battery. Is it hard to get a higher amperage battery? I have a Ridgeline also but don't need a battery yet, just curious.
Thanks for watching!
I installed the same Group 48 type of battery, but the replacement is an AGM construction with much higher Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) of 760-CCA, 140 more CCA than the 620-CCA battery that came in the truck. ruclips.net/video/jJZNLdWRedI/видео.html
Now I'm confused because on the plate at the end of the replacement the plate said it's an FLA battery of 620A, at the bottom it reads that it's an AGM. How do you know what it is.
@@lorettashumate446 I can see how it could be confusing, especially if you haven't seen the battery cover plate on your Ridgeline before. The plate on the battery cover says the battery is 620-CCA, I added a sticker with the new battery brand (EverStart), type (AGM) and date it was installed, but I didn't make a new sticker to cover up the 620-CCA label on the cover. Look at the top of the battery in the video and you can see '760' on the battery label.
Can you please tell us what kind of grounding cable you added?
Thanks for watching, I've left the information on the cable in the video description and many times in the comments below. It's an 18" ground cable available any place car parts are sold.
Could honda have made it any harder. Great idea with the grounding wire. I was trying to help someone jump there car but I couldn't with the battery location.
Thanks for watching! Yea, the battery is really buried under a lot of stuff!
Yes, they certainly could have. This is nothing compared to German cars.
@@allwoundup3574 Yea, I owned a couple of Audi A4s before getting my first Ridgeline. Both A4s were turbo charged and both were 'chipped' by APR for more boost. They were a lot of fun, but expensive to maintain and the resale value was shockingly low compared to the Toyotas and Hondas I've owned before and after the Audis.
@@Void28368 Man, that does sound like a chore. I bet the battery was put in the wheel well to keep battery temperatures down, the Ridgeline battery box has a fan that pulls cooler, fresh air from under the battery into the battery box.
There is a bolt that ground to the frame up in the right corner of the engine compartment that hold the air filter frame in place. It is clearly visible at 3:21 into the video. You can use that for your ground. I just recently had my Ridgeline jumped using that bolt for the ground. The grounding wire would be more convenient, but not necessary.
i have a 2020 passport, which is same as your ridgeline, just curious with having the battery out for some time, did you have to do anything with vehicle computer? did it mess anything up per say? great idea on the pic of the battery for glovebox, and sticker.
I was able to swap out the battery in about 20-minutes and I did loose my radio station presets (no big deal), everything else worked just as it did with the old battery.
@@Koolbob2 ok, got ya, thanks for getting back to me on this, i have heard people wiring up a devise with a 9 volt battery and plugging into the 12 volt outlet to keep memory to the vehicle.
Have you considered installing hood struts?
I did install them on the 2012 Ridgeline I had before this one. The struts were nice, but I actually prefer being able to open the hood fully.
@@Koolbob2 thanks, I was wondering what you thought.
Sometimes simple is better! My other vehicles have struts. They don't last in the underhood heat and aren't cheap to replace.
So you just swapped battery without doing a memory saver?🤷🏽♂️
Yes, I did lose the radio station station presets, but everything else resumed as usual once the new battery was installed.
I use a battery jump pack to keep power to the vehicle anytime I replace or disconnect the battery.
i put a rag or towel on the plastic Engine Cover so parts dont slide off