Does this fix your terrible TV speakers? - Sonos Ray
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
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Dan takes a look at the new Sonos ray to see if it can fix your terrible TV speakers, but he uses an Android phone... can he make it work?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Up next on SC!
0:12 Unboxing
0:49 The problem with mandatory apps
1:25 Ports and buttons
2:06 Sponsor - SecretLabs
2:28 What's "TossLink"?
3:10 First setup attempt
3:53 It lives!
4:12 Audio test - Crab Rave
5:43 Playing with EQ settings
6:17 Audio test - Not Crab Rave
6:50 What could make it better?
7:48 Audio test - Frequency testing
9:33 Audio test - Dolby Atmos test
10:34 Conclusion
11:11 Outro 
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Dan referring to specific frecuencies instead of just “lows and highs” is so awesome. Please don’t let anybody else do speaker reviews:)
Yea, like I know general public don't know what 200-300hz is. But I do. And guess what, because I work with audio all the time, I'm the guy people ask for speaker and headphone recommendations. So it helps me help those people.
Aahh, refer to 06:42
@@KonkaBass ok bro
@@KonkaBass can you tell budget earphones wired?
They could also just take after him too. Some of the others are also informed on audio especially headphones, but I agree
"It was very... a product" - Quotes like this are why Dan is fast becoming one of my fave members at LMG.
This is the speaker I've ever seen
Yeah, After Riley he has now become my favorite.. before that it was James lol
i love that he has high standards for audio, i'm tired of random youtube reviewers saying every audio gadget sounds great but when i buy the thing it has lots of flaws they didn't pick up.
Don't read my name...
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture960 Your time is numbered bot.
@@burntalive don’t reply, just report them.
@@WhiteG60 really truly good audio will not come from ear buds for a very long time or some alien invention in tech revolutionizes speaker technology.....theyre just too small and materials and design at those sizes with the tech we have is just not possible for reasonable prices....in the end its still copper wire a diaphragm-esq thingy and a magnet...
ill bet if you buy 5 pairs of the new airpods youll hear the difference between them if you sit down and be persnickety on purpose.
you bought for the correct reasons....and theyll be correct for a long time
@@kazzTrismus you don't know what you're talking about. What do you think "good" audio is? Bose qc35? Airpods max? Sony xm5? Lol
Now this is how you test sound equipment. Instead of the usual "yeah it's pretty good".
Still kinda disappointing to see the lack of room treatment, though. Bare walls, no bass traps, no diffusion. I suppose it's _kinda_ what you'd expect some foolish end user to do, but a lot of those frequencies are gonna dip simply because they're fighting and canceling out their own reflected waves within the room itself. Expecting a flat response curve is folly. Or foley? *rimshot*
@@pirojfmifhghek566 Those people that have all of the things you mention will never buy speakers from sonos. This is for people who say that the TV speakers are not enough and don't want to spend thousands of dollars in audio equipment and room treatment.
You're mixing the wrong people with the wrong devices..
IMO the way they test this does reflect the "normal user" way more than any treated room they could use..
@@pirojfmifhghek566 Gotta keep in mind that shortcircuit is more of a "first impressions" channel than a review channel though.
@@GreenCinco12Official I would posit that people don't need to spend thousands or even hundreds of dollars like the low-tier SONOS system here is charging. And for people who are ready to shell out that kind of money, I think it's important to at least cover these issues. There's a price point where end users will get majorly diminishing returns in audio quality when they could easily save a few hundred bucks getting a lower tier model with proper sound treatment. It's a bit of information that would be helpful to teach the audience somewhat regularly. Even demonstrations of "good room" vs "bad room" now and then would make a difference. I mean, if they're trying to do reviews and demos showing frequency response, they're practically at the enthusiast level already. It's worth it to go that extra inch.
Basic room treatment can be pretty darn affordable too, as long as a person's not trying to turn their room into some kind of amateur blackbird studio.
In fact, I think they should start doing some videos specifically detailing this stuff, because some of the 'sound treatment' products out there are absolute highway robbery while other options are ridiculously affordable and effective. Even thoughtful placement of basic household items can make a big difference for almost zero additional money. And then, of course, there are always the pure DIY solutions, but that's a rabbit hole.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 The issue is that these aren't reviews. They're just product showcases that are meant for the everyday consumer. If you're looking for technical, in-depth reviews, you'll have to wait until LTT LABS is up and running (which is what I assume Dan will be a major part of for the audio side).
Dan sure is great for speaker/headphone reviews. This guy knows what he is talking about.
no he doesn't, he tried using youtube to test for atmos (encodes in stereo only), on a non capable atmos device,
doesn't know why the speakers break on some freq, it's cause the ray uses ported speakers. always go for sealed speakers.
he said that 6khz is where human speech is...
@@fallenscsl he wasn't testing Atmos. He was just using it as an example of something that probably has decent mastering to test the soundbar...
@@marcusborderlands6177 in the timestamps it clearly states "Audio Test - Dolby Atmo Test" means he was testing the atmos
@@Crokto I can't believe the comments fan boying over him... it's ridiculous like they drank the purple kool-aid
like sure he's a good guy, but a good audio reviewer, I think not, well not atm judging by this video.
Dan fits in really well with the LTT style and is a great addition. Great humor mixed with real knowledge delivered in an understandable way. Hope to see more of him on SC and LTT
Agreed. Dan the man
does he? i feel like he has a p different more chill vibe compared to everyone else (him and Yvonne), which is good imo i like the variety of hosts
@@r3d0c you say chill and don't mention Anthony? I want those two to have a geek-off :D
Dan has easily become top 5 presenters in the LMG
literally.
I think you might be right but who are your top 5?
For me, Alex, Linus, jake, Anthony, Dan, in no particular order
@@gerranhullah I'd personally change Jake and Alex with James and Riley. But it's a close competition here. All presenters in LMG are high class by now.
@@Crad-YT I kinda agree. It's hard to rank them at this point with how good everyone is getting. Some combos of presenters are also really fun and/or interesting to watch too
this guy is amazing, we love it and it should stick as a regular host for shortcircuit
It's the beard, isn't it.
He’s hilarious, but he’s not an it 😂
Not sure why he became an "It"
Tf?
It's like hearing Bob Ross reviewing products but full of sarcasm. I love it.
Love his humorous sarcasm 😂😂 you hire the best employees Linus
(Disclaimer: Let’s keep comments nice please, dont worry already reported the one that said some nasty stuff about linus”)
World class!
@@Squaire yeah my 60$ Philips soundbar has earc wtf Sonos you know better
Yeah 😅 he's a circuit And sounds ghuys loooohh to 06:42
@@nashsanadiki3104 ohhh 🙀😧 but I prefer my smart Roku sounds bar
Linus, as I'm sure you can see from my resume. If you don't hire me, you will die
my brain broke when you flipped the sonos logo and it was the same
I agree with everyone else. This guy is fun to watch!
Don't read my name!!!!
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture960 haven't seen one of you in a while. What are you doing?
I love this benchmark formula by Dan, it's 1st time when I really appreciated and enjoyed sound&stuff review.
I love Dan’s matter-of-fact style. Great addition to the channel.
>is critical of the walled garden ecosystem
>Doesn't use an iphone
>Seems to know his stuff about audio
>Can identify dips with frequencies super easy
Please, please, please, give us more Dan. Quickly, my favorite ltt host.
Dan is litterally my type of presenter, softly spoken with really good sarcasm. More of him please!!!!!
Dan is great as a host. I hope you have him in more videos. I would watch him review anything. He is very funny.
I love Dan. Seems like he's more recent in front of the camera but he's really a great addition to the team. Fits right in and seems so knowledgeable. Keep up the work LMG!
I love when being (almost) wireless and "no strings attached" actually makes devices more inconvenient.
Another Dry Humour Dan videooo!! 🤩🤩
And I was so hoping you guys would review this!! I had my eyes on it
Loved how in depth it was. I could hear where it had dips and everything!
What a great way to test sound equipment
The logistics guys are hidden gems
Dan should do more videos. He’s awesome.
Dan is great host for these speaker reviews, I love how much his engineer side comes in with how he explains and refers things. And the sarcastic humor is great add to that.
Dan has a specific gift: He can compress his vast technical knowledge into a digestible format. His explanation includes a short technical point, e.g. specific frequencies getting squashed by bass, followed with the practical effect that matters to you. Very impressive.
Kudos to the editor(s) as well for capturing this!!
Dan is the perfect level of fun, informational, clumsy and engaging. Really top work, good video on a product I wasn't particularly interested in.
He's like that slightly oddball friend you love to have, and who will always be good to have a beer with.
Loving Dan's Sarcasm, but at 1:45 he says the next step up is the $1100 Arc. The next step up is the $550 Beam, which has eARC over HDMI. Just wanted to point that out as Dan just mentioned this product is missing HDMI.
LOVE the fact that you guys actually went through the spectrum to really show the speakers' character.
I loved this, Dan's passion for audio really came out, which was amazing! Definitely the man for this review. :D
I think it's still a lot better to just get some decent bookshelf speakers, either with or without an seperate subwoofer.
I think some larger speakers don't even need a subwoofer.
Then couple it with an small class d amp and you're good to go.
Of course this isn't dolby surround but at least a proper stereo as you can put the speakers on the left and right corners of the tv and have a great gap between the two channels.
I use two Heco Victa 200 selection with an old Onkyo TX 8020 amplifier aswell as an Mivoc Hype 10g2 subwoofer.
It's not the most expensive equipment but it does a very good job on my TV setup.
So before you spend money on a soundbar + satellites + subwoofer + iphone to even control the setup, maybe just get some dedicated speakers and an decent entry level "HiFi class" amplifier.
Space and cleanliness is a concern. A single sound bar (without satellites or subwoofers) can do a lot for a tv with poor sound. All the while taking up practically no space and minimal wiring.
Sure some bookshelf speakers and satellites and stuff around the room would be better. But now you’re dealing with taking up more floor space, running and hiding the speaker wire, and it’s something you have to worry about your kids or dogs knocking over.
Don’t get me wrong. If you’re really into music and sound then a single sound bar isn’t going to cut it and you’ll need more. But for most casuals with limited floor space, a single sound bar is a good upgrade. But preferably a better one than this
People aren't buying sound bars for the best sound quality available, it's for the ease of use and the overall clean setup they offer. It's like comparing a gaming laptop to a gaming desktop, there is always pros and cons.
a good used older amp and a couple of good used bookshelf speakers will sound 10x better than these things do and for about the same price.
ive always had good sound for cheap prices and dont need to worry about my family and pets treating the house like were rioting/peaceful protesting.
@@ck5071 I agree with what you are saying but $350 is well above the point at which there is good value. If you just want better sound that the crappy TV speakers then any cheaper soundbar unit $200 or below will do fine. 'Premium' soundbars simply don't have a reason to justify their existence. Even if you got one as part of a multichannel setup either you are serious enough to need a proper bookshelf style center channel, or the center can still be a cheaper unit as the main Left/Right channels + sub are doing a significant % of the sound, so a cheaper center doesn't matter, the user will never notice the difference.
Huge HUGE appreciation for this very well timed video! I was looking at a Ray as an option for our home, but this makes me much more inclined to go for the Beam. Thank you for excellent and thorough content! 👍
Dan is great. His delivery, his quips and sarcasm, and the way he conveyed information. Fantastic.
Very in depth and technically specific for a shortcircuit video, love it!
Love Dan doing these speaker reviews! Would really like to have a overall soundbar review in like a top 10 format for 2022! I'm sure anyone in the market for a new soundbar would be interested!
Dan's previous work greatly showed in this. He's hilarious as always. More of Dan!
This was a fantastic video. The most informative and useful sound bar review I've ever watched. I hope you make more of these to help me pick a sound bar!
I love all the different POV on this channel. Damn is Dan good at this love to see him grow as he continues to do stuff.
This guy is one of my favourite new hosts we need way more of him
I love his way of presenting :D
I'm liking Dan at LMG, was a joy to watch in the house videos, so I'm happy to see him getting solo missions now :D Keep them coming
This is the most engaging and entertaining, but also informative audio review I've seen this year.
Would love more audio reviews from Dan!
Now that's a review! Love this dude!!
This is a new level of in-depth, yet short-ish review. I absolutely love it and it makes me super excited about lab content, expecting that to match or exceed what we just saw.
Also, Dan just hit that sweet spot of high competence high sarcasm! Feels LTT, great video!
Side note: This does not mix well with SC content. I thought SC explicitly makes "unboxing, not review". Is there a lab channel coming for this kind of in depth high technical content? I suspect it could become overwhelming for many consumer-background watchers.
Very happy and excited for what you are doing rn thanks guys!
Dan is amazing! He gives off this positive vibe that makes you feel like everything is going to be alright. He seriously needs more camera time!
Right now Sonos refurbished has a Beam Gen 1 for $191. It’s a better option than the Ray with HDMI connectivity and better sound. If you’re lucky, the page may also have the Arc and Subwoofer back in stock too.
It's still a Sonos. It's still a locked-down eco system that's - and the end of the day - overpriced for what you get. And don't forget that Sonos could just drop support for older models. It's nothing we haven't heard of before.
or don't buy overpriced e-waste that will stop working in a couple of years when Sonos stops supporting the applications.
Or or or, you two, get this, maybe realize that it’s a moot point for a *Sonos related video*
I can't get my head around a soundbar for $350 does not have hdmi ARC support. just got my old parents a cheap $129 soundbar that has ARC and starts with the tv and adjusts with the tv remote etc.
Seriously wtf
@@VaydaladaVodalada it's a Sonos related video, that doesn't mean we don't get to criticize Sonos and the, frankly, idiots who buy them. Willingly spending MORE money to buy products that are WORSE for both humans and the environment is monumentally stupid.
I love how Dan opens boxes
Dan showed up pretty recently and I love him. He gives off kind of a "older Alex" vibe, the type of guy you can ask about a cnc router, filleting a fish, tiling a bathroom floor or sewing, I got you, no problem.
We need more of dan. Great job of explaining the feel of things without also being too simple at the same time
Only watched this because Dan was in it. He has become my favorite LTT person behind Luke and Linus
Dan is love, Dan is life
My first video with this guy. Big fan! More please. :)
Yes!! Need more Dan!!
Also, more home theater audio reviews in general!
We love the Dan content. My Bose Solo bar from about 2013 is still going strong. It has lots of bass but doesn't muddy the mids nearly as much as the Sonos Ray does. Also all the app stuff and making you have an account is incredibly dumb
Dan is fucking amazing. Literally love everything about this dude. Hope to see more of him. I still love you more Anthony. Don't worry.
Wow this is so perfectly detailed loved it look forward to more like this
I'd love to see Dan do a whole video (series?) on sound frequency. This is fantastic testing!
I wanna see Riley and Dan review something together… I feel like their humor would be great together 😹
Make sure to do the Trueplay tuning. My Sonos One sounded like absolute garbage until I did Trueplay, even though I used only the one speaker and I had just pulled it straight out of the box.
Dan has fast become one of my favorite LTT hosts. Love this guy!
We need more Dan hosting!
This review or first look pretty much sums up my experience with sonos, especially with the bass and the lack of adjustability. The speakers I have (Play:1 and Symfonisk) dont't have any IO, so WIFI is the only Option. But they frequently stop working completely if you don't update the app and the speaker firmware - even if you just want to play music from your NAS. Which actually is a bit of a a security risk, since it only works with SMB1, which has been deprecated for more than 10 years. Also I now have to use two different apps and for some reason one of the speakers bricked and I can not connect it to my network anymore, or I can connect it to the network, but the app always fails to connect to it. Their support also couldn't help me at all. I am done with them.
i had this problem also, it had nothing to do with sonos but my ISP pushing a firmware update on the modem
I got the Sonos Arc connected to my TV via eARC, I got the app, pushed all the updates, did the Trueplay calibration and I was in love with the sound from the very first second. It has been flawless ever since. It's basically the Apple of sound product, you can't do shit but for regular use cases it just works as easily as humanly possible
Soo…this is disingenuous at best lazy at worst. The the play:1 has ethernet. The play:1 and all Symfonisk speakers are S2 compatible so you don’t have to use both apps. If a firmware update bricks a speaker I’ve never heard a story where Sonos didn’t replace it after a support call. But you have to contact them so they know something went wrong
SMB1 requirement is a massive fail by Sonos
I've loved my JBL Deep Bass 2.1. Brand new for $300. Has ARC and a sub. Wide sound stage. No app. No account.
Dan has the best shade throwing... His low-key, calm and monotone, underhanded criticisms come across powerfully /and/ funny.
Dan's voice is so calming. Like hearing a gentle intro into a relaxation track. Or the 2am smooth jazz DJ
Regarding the whole calibration using the app thing, you can calibrate the sound to frequency response of the mic on a dozen different iPhone handsets but you can't for the thousands of different Android handsets
Damn, it's almost like Sonos forgot to put the "beats by Dre" logo on that thing. Listening to this on my jbl flip 5 legitimately made me think it broke during crab rave. That was unacceptably noticeable.
Side bar: the hertz test that happened was hilarious on said flip 5. My entire table was shaking and it took it like a champ 😂💪
I also have a Flip 5. Will watch this vid again using that speaker lol.😄
@@jerrycaidic08 flip 5 gang
Dan has a very upfront, down-to-the-bone honest review style. No sugar coating what's-o-ever. I like it.
Plus, he appears to be rather knowledgeable. I guess that is WHY you pick him for such reviews?
Dan is easily one of my favorite presenters. Great job hiring this charming guy!
What a coincidence, one of my friends on Discord just got a Sonos sound bar. That said, I might have to upgrade the sound bar in the Media Room of my house soon. Not just because of how old it is, but it also lacks Dolby Atmos support.
the video was miss leading, optical doesn't support atmos nor does youtube, so idk what he was thinking.
If you want atmos go for the ARC over the beam (gen2), since the arc uses sealed speakers and the beam uses passive radiator speakers. you'll get more crisp sound from the arc whereas the beam you'll get more unnecessary bass.
I myself use beam gen1 for my 5.1 setup since i'm not interested in atmos and dislike how long the arc is under my tiny 27" monitor
small Note: Dolby atmos outside of cinemas and very dedicated home-cinemas is basically just an EQ with reverb and so on - just like the atmos on smartphones. It's not a reinvention of sound from every playback device as it oftes is talked about.
While it can make music or movies sound a bit better on lower end hardware, you would be better off with some decent hifi bookshelf speakers and a small amplifier that are way less limited in terms of speaker size and thus in their frequency response (not having these heavy dips/ peaks) and in their clarity because they are not being pushed to their limits.
@Avenue is also completly right about optical not even being capable of transmitting the dolby atmos standart - at best only up to 5.1 standart surround sound - again the atmos here is only the new mixing of a otherwise normal stereo or potentially 5.1 surround sound
Dolby Atmos in a soundbar doesn't exist. It's not much more than a sales gimmick, just like Beats Audio was back in the day.
It 'exists' but it's not the same as an actual Dolby Atmos setup. It is 100% not worth hunting down a soundbar that has Atmos support for just that reason
@@puffnpluky76 indeed in a true dolby atmos theatre there is a total of 64 speakers
the best we can achieve at home is 7.1.2 to reproduce/mimic that sound
This is QVC for our generation.
Get Dan to do more reviews like this, straight forward and informative, Sounds very knowledgeable
I like this guy, no nonsense attitude and very informative. Upvoted
A budget 5.1 home cinema system beats ANY soundbar on the market. Even the high end soundbars.
But a lot of people do not want speakers all over their living room which is why soundbars are so popular
gotta buy a AV receiver also which will run you up to 1k-2k and the wires you'll get tired of that look and going to spend money to hide that as well
so I wouldn't go for a budget setup in any case scenario.
I cannot stress this enough, do not get into the habit of looking directly at the end of fiber connectors. Strong ones will burn holes into your eyes!
Like all warnings, don't look into the laser with your other eye.
Awesome review Dan. Loving your content in the company so far.
The opening line is a beautiful piece of sarcasm that sums it all up!
Original title was "why ecosystems are bad!"
This guy is awesome! Please include Dan in more future videos!
This guy is naturally funny with his matter-of-factness. I watch a lot of speaker reviews but this is hands down the best I've ever seen with a mixture of his dry humor, straight talk and ability to incorporate "subjective science" without losing his audience. Kudos on a great job!
People stopped hearing it about 15K - 16K Hz because the compressed audio format that most streaming audio and video providers use, drops audio frequencies higher than 16KHz. You can see this visually if you download the file and use the Spectrum Analyzer of most audio-editing apps. The default stereo encoding is also Joint-Stereo which reduces stereo separation. The default for most MP3 encoders has been 128 Kbps Joint-Stereo with 16KHz frequency cut-off. This has carried over as default to AAC encoders too.
For true sine-wave audible signal generator, you should either use an 1) Dedicated signal generator with analog amplifier or 2) Audio Editing App like Audacity + High-quality DAC.
The range and bias of the signal generator curve is affected by the amplifier circuit too, hence high-quality DAC and amplifiers are required.
Kudos on being able to capture the audio from 30Hz though, not many mic setups are capable of doing it well. Individual Mics also have their own bias when capturing audio.
Were you using Mics that are typically used for home-theatre calibration? Most of these have a near flat frequency response.
Dan is my new go to reviewer for consumer audio. Keep the reviews coming.
Most of it goes over my head but I appreciate Dan's so knowledgeable.
I swear to god this is the first ever speaker review I can comprehend the experience the reviewer is going through. I demand this chap to be resident audio reviewer at all time.
Dan's commentary is 10 out of 10. Keep having Dan do more unboxing.
nice addition to the team
Ey I like this guy as a presenter and he knows what he's talking about in terms of audio enough to tell you what frequencies are recessed without looking at a response graph. Very nice pickup LMG.
THIS is what an audio review should be like. Dan is awesome, he should be featured more!
Thank you for your excellent review Dan. All my questions answerred in 11 minutes. I was interested in the Sonos Ray, but given your review findings. I'm happy to cross it off my list. 👍
Please, we need more Dan and more audio equipment reviews - I’d love it if LMG started reviewing Audio Interfaces and professional studio monitors (Genelecs, Adam, Yamaha, Focal, Presonus, Tannoy speakers etc.)!
Love seeing Dan!
I want to buy a speaker for my parents and I will not do it until a see a good review here at SC, with Dan not being upset with whatever it turns out to be. Love the content, love Dan and his knowledge. Keep it up!
Fun to hear Dan. Nice practical and informative review.of audio
Love Dan's hilarious energy as always.
When it comes to hosting audio content, Dan is awesome. He can make technical stuff actually understandable. I can't wait until Labs gets up and running.
Good hosting my man🔥
Great review.
I want more reviews from this man.
Love Dan. Need more of him.
Dan’s delivery and the script were perfect together
Dan is superb to watch and is full of great ideas.......................need more of Dan on the channel
This is the good stuff, review-wise. Thanks for calling out issues with the bass.