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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

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  • @GreatSonOfTheMountain
    @GreatSonOfTheMountain 4 месяца назад +2

    Rust rework is great. I just did Jim's 3rd variant to tier 4 because of Rust. If you didn't know, in that variant you need to get to lvl 1600 with 3 slots removed. It took about 4 hours, but it is done.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      He is quite good indeed, and grats!

  • @popington4674
    @popington4674 4 месяца назад +9

    I find it very interesting that they recently seem to have a growing interest in making/reworking champions to have downright gamebreaking scaling if you’re willing to mindlessly wait for stacks. It has me a little worried they are going to release content soon that somehow requires these timewalled hyperscaling effects to beat 🤔

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +2

      Or even just increase the area cap beyond 2,000 maybe, which could be interesting. I do hope it doesn't become a trend though I agree.

  • @gelert16
    @gelert16 4 месяца назад +3

    A pretty interesting rework. The numbers can get absolutely ridiculous and the new feat makes him eligible for 4/5 patrons. Actually stacking him up is a pain, though, and you need very high favor to get to the silly numbers. The huge buff to his support numbers plus his being true neutral may make him quite valuable for the Wren variant (though I doubt most people who would struggle with it will have particularly good favor in Fortune's Wheel). He'll also get a lot stronger whenever CNE finally decide to raise the area cap. It is kind of a shame that his gold find numbers seem to have gone down with the changes to one gold piece. His lack of synergy with the meta DPS's certainly limits his usefulness a bit and helps balance out his absurd numbers. I think this is gonna turn into another Spurt situation where the devs will eventually realize the numbers are out of hand and will need a nerf.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      Yeah, I really do think they overtuned Rust a bit, especially how high his stacks can go with Feats. Nerfs tends to come far down the line if they do, so only time will tell. We didn't get a "fix" for Nova until like 8 months later lol.

  • @Avatar1977
    @Avatar1977 4 месяца назад +3

    Really glad we are starting to get some practical Oxventure synergy getting into the game.
    Also the recent Valentine feat that was introduced to make her Chaotic Evil might just elevate her to a new SS tier, for how it will interact with certain DPS champs

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, Valentine really is the Idle Champions queen.
      It will be interesting to see if we get more reworks for the Oxventure down the line now.

    • @vhfulgencio
      @vhfulgencio 4 месяца назад +1

      Also unlocks her for mirt variants, so fing good

  • @Raxele
    @Raxele 4 месяца назад +7

    Grabbed Ishi as the first flex slot. Probably going to be the next reworked champion.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      Here's hoping she does soon!

    • @YamianGodlike
      @YamianGodlike 4 месяца назад +2

      Spoilers
      Rosie and Voronika should be next.

  • @sohu86x
    @sohu86x 4 месяца назад +2

    Another great video. Good job Tyre!

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      Much appreciated, as always!

  • @PragmaticPsychiatry
    @PragmaticPsychiatry 4 месяца назад +3

    Wowww, are his numbers better than Avren now for seat 11? I plan to use him with zorbu instead of Avren now because I can hit 2k easily but my gold is not high enough for lvl 20 legendaries that I am now pushing

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, even baseline without doing any crazy Riches Stack farming, as long you have decent favor for Highest Bidder he's better than Avren. He puts out some wild numbers for sure.

  • @cryptocats69
    @cryptocats69 3 месяца назад +1

    thanks again for all your tips
    just geared my valentine : she had two golden epics from packs, and all other slots were shit (uncommon by electrum chests only).
    as i had no electrums anymore to boost her to all rare before going further, i just opened all 14 gold chests from valentine that i got during this event (none from bought packs opened yet) and in these 14 chests i got FOUR epics (must have been my most lucky opening ever), so she is basically full purple now. feelsgood!
    seeing this situation (that she is full epic) and ellywick is too, what should i do with the remaining event currentcy?
    - buy more chests for these two, cause they will be most used heroes (but even epic drops will be dupes only and only level the gear up more). if yes, ellywick cause of gemfind or valentine?
    - buy chests for the other heroes (jim omin laezel are not geared as good, yet)
    thanks!

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  3 месяца назад

      Good to hear!
      As far as my recommendation, normally it'd be hard to deny Valentine, but Ellywick really does increase gem gains by a *lot* at the end of the day, especially now that they fixed her stacking, and between them it's even harder to not recommend Ellywick. If her gem gain isn't capped yet (100% per card), I'd say pump her item levels up as much as you can. This game is about the long run down the line, and gem gains early helps!

    • @cryptocats69
      @cryptocats69 3 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack done like you said. she is now at like 520 itemlevel.
      opend the rest of gold chests i had for valentine from packs. has she some build in luck buff ? 9 = 3 epics, 13 = another 3 ... :)

  • @chaosgyro
    @chaosgyro 4 месяца назад +2

    Prudence rework maybe? Running an Oxventure team to 2000 as a super lazy Azaka alternative (I hate trying to get Krull debuffs to spread) at least seems mildly enticing.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      It would be nice to see the rest of the Oxventurer's get some love honestly, most of them need it. They were primed for an actual Season, but who knows if we'll get those back. Now that they've done Rust, let's see them all!

  • @vhfulgencio
    @vhfulgencio 4 месяца назад +1

    Rust got insane numbers! my most leveled char is Durge, it has just 500 average Ilvl. but with rust, laezel(average item level 100) is doing e^43 more damage than my best Durge team

    • @vhfulgencio
      @vhfulgencio 4 месяца назад +1

      i still haven't unlocked the season buffs or any big feats

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      Yeah, he can bump some really good numbers! Durge really relies on his affiliation to pop off, how many Ceremorphosis stacks is he getting?

    • @vhfulgencio
      @vhfulgencio 3 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack 7 or 8 depending on the variant. most of the time adding one more stack is reducing his damage because the other support is giving me more buffs (usually omin)

  • @Lielsen
    @Lielsen 4 месяца назад +1

    Are "Active Augments" and "Daily Rewards" new to the events?
    Maybe I missed those before... 🤔
    And yeah, those numbers are insane to me! Just finished all variants without patron and it wasn't easy, can't do Tier 4 of events yet! 😅
    Once I finish some Avernus for Elminster (Tiamat and Karlach buffs), will work on clearing Mirt... hope that's the way to progress, besides legendaries and farming for contracts, which are ongoing. :)

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      They are new to this Event. They seem to plan to change those per event, probably seeing which people like the most to decide which deserve to stick around.

  • @ChibiMantASMR
    @ChibiMantASMR 4 месяца назад +2

    Now I kinda want to see what an Oxventurers team can do. Surely it has to be a little above bad now with Rust alone.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      But can you justify Egbert>Jim, Prudence>Valentine, Dob>Pene/Vi, etc etc 🤔

  • @starblissed
    @starblissed 4 месяца назад +3

    I can't imagine rust being able to stack that high was intentional and I expect they'll adjust some math there in a patch

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +3

      I do feel like it got a bit overtuned, but it also isn't the best formation in order to stack it that high. Hard to say.

    • @makaisenki
      @makaisenki 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@tyredack so a perfect buff from all level 20 hyper targeted to 1 DPS, is e365 and sub optimal is still like e340-e350 as long as they all hit your DPS, I'm not sure why Rust allowing you hit e200 buffs by himself doesn't put him at S tier, because even with Strongheart designed formation and active play to get Strongheart as powerful as possible I can't get him to e50, rust thrown in if I'm willing to burn some large speed pots will get me e60-e90 or more easily and I don't have to juggle my fire breath potions and rebuild stacks and fall back to build up stacks for the final pushes past 1950s...
      I've seen you do e800 damage and this is like 1/4 of that without leggos if you are willing and you only need like 700 something to zone 2k anything.
      It seems wrong to not S him just because he doesn't have perfect synergy when he outperforms everyone that would be a better option synergy wise.
      Even if you just use him 1 time a week to dump scales he's a beast.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +2

      Because he's only ever going to get that specific e200 in very select formations that are not worth investing in. That's his absolute peak, nowhere near what you're going to get on average. More realistically you'll probably be seeing like e70'ish from him, which is still *really* good and might get him to climb up the ranks a bit more for sure, as it's enough to consider using him in formations that he doesn't synergize with still.

    • @vhfulgencio
      @vhfulgencio 4 месяца назад

      @tyredack isn't it like a nrakk season buff over buffing him? I haven't checked the buffs yet

  • @YamianGodlike
    @YamianGodlike 4 месяца назад +1

    I like the Rust rework. And even with my horrible roster, the numbers are quite good. I had decent success with him in Acquisition Inc. formation as a replacement for Strix - Jim, Vi, Omin, Certainty and Morgaen are all gold find.
    Since I already have all the available champions, I'm kinda lost at flex picks... Part of me wants to pick the ones I haven't 100% yet (Ishi, Shandie, Jim, B&G, Omin) because I like full green bars. The other part of me wants to go Valentine because of how good she is, but her ilvl is low (8) compared to Jim or Omin (170+)...
    In general, is it be better to try to full epic someone (eg Valentine with crap ilvl), or boost boost some of my strongest characters (like Jim and Omin) even more? I tend to lean towards flexibility because I'm still chewing through various variants...

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      Yeah, Rust is pretty damn good all-around all things considered.
      That's a hard question to answer, but in this case in my opinion it's hard to deny Valentine is an excellent option. She really is meta in almost every formation (other than speed) and investing in her won't hurt you, that's for sure.

    • @makaisenki
      @makaisenki 4 месяца назад

      Practically any variant rust can get into you can complete eventually. Even if you have to reset DM to get him in.
      If you do zariel and elminster, till all the champs are full epic you can use the other patrons to full epic everyone else since if you can get him into the variant you can beat it pretty much.
      So... That's my opinion. He makes it easy to full epic everyone and you can use Aeon to make some variants even easier depending on the week.
      So... Yeah that's my 2 cents. Power is more valuable than purples on units you almost never use, that you can get within a month or 2 if you really try.

    • @YamianGodlike
      @YamianGodlike 4 месяца назад

      ​ @makaisenki Elminster is slightly out of my reach, I can barely reach 800 in patron variants :(. Maybe Rust will push me to the finish line, however he shares seat with Dark Urge...
      Will give it a go again.
      I'm still going through the patron variants of the very first Sword Coast area(s). Yes, even for Mirt. So there is a lot ahead of me and that's the reason that I tend to value flexible roster since I'm using pretty much everyone...

    • @makaisenki
      @makaisenki 4 месяца назад

      @@YamianGodlike elminster is so worth it. In my view you want to run elminster until you full epic everyone on his roster, and then start doing others.
      Unless you are trying to do Karlach in which case Zariel.
      The thing is, that Rust will give you favor, and pushing power, and that favor will get you more power from blessings which gives you more pushing power.
      What you need to do is get out of sword coast and start working on Descent into Avernus, using speed champions you have (not Minsc) and using La'Zael to speed it up because you probably don't have very many amazing units. Then you can start trials of Mount tiamat, get legendaries, etc
      There's a code that's like Ginn-yget-gold that will give you Karlach and hands down pretty much Omin, Val, and La'Zael are the only champs worth it for a newer player.
      If you aren't as new as I'm thinking you might be if you need any tips...
      Also Mirt is a super waste of time at the moment. It takes a lot of runs in sword Coast to get like a tiny bit of patron perks, And since so many of the variance don't give a whole lot of currency every chest you buy is taking away from chests that you could use to get gear on champions after you cap out all of your elminster.
      Patron variance just aren't exactly worth it until you gotten to the point to where you can run a thousand areas deep in a patron variant and since rust cannot join mirt, that means that almost guaranteed the strongest unit You now have is locked out.

    • @makaisenki
      @makaisenki 4 месяца назад

      @@YamianGodlike You do want to run a few patron variants as hard as you can especially since even if you just have to plop in gold find units, You can get a lot of damage out of him. Last night I got rust up to about e100 damage so that's 300 areas right there.
      I am now the top DPS in my trials of Mount tiamat lol.

  • @MrSkipknot
    @MrSkipknot 4 месяца назад +1

    Shootin' goo

  • @jamesjiao
    @jamesjiao 3 месяца назад +1

    Likely they will increase the max level soon and/or a soft level cap bump

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  3 месяца назад

      I imagine so. I feel like we've been on the cusp of that for a while.

  • @JonTheGamerGuru
    @JonTheGamerGuru 4 месяца назад +1

    I could be wrong, but couldn't you use Jimm for that peak buff formation as your DPS instead of Prudence?

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      Jim for sure has better scaling, but you could use Jim as a support *for* Prudence in that case. In Prudence's Seat we have Valentine who would be way better. Though the only tanks we have that qualify are Egbert and Evandra in those Seats as well.
      Just decided to lean into the Oxventurer's for the theme in the video.

    • @makaisenki
      @makaisenki 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@tyredacke150 is still fine.

  • @KallinADM
    @KallinADM 4 месяца назад +1

    Hello Tyredack!
    How do you feel about >.>
    Rainbows?

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      Hello!
      They indeed exist.

  • @TheFudorin
    @TheFudorin 4 месяца назад +1

    So if I decided to come back to the game (been out of the loop for at least 3 years), is there a good resource for returning players to know who in their roster to focus on, and current mechanics?
    Logged in a month or two ago and realized how much I had forgotten about the game.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +2

      The game is in that state of content bloat and there is so much info out there it can be difficult. Everyone has their own opinions too.
      I go over thief for my opinion when I talk about the Flex Champions. I really feel like the Absolute Adversaries is a great place to start, specifically with Lae'zel as it happen. Lean into them as your pushing team then once you're comfortable there start on a legit gem farm speed team.

    • @TheFudorin
      @TheFudorin 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack Sounds good, thank you for the response! I had managed to acquire most of the heroes around the time Warduke was launched, before BBEG and the tie-in for the D&D movie. So seems like there a good chunk of info to catch up on lol. I'll check out your Flex Champions video!

    • @TheFudorin
      @TheFudorin 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack Oh I guess I wasn't out of the game as long as I thought as I watched your Brother Uriah, Solaak, and Miria videos, so hopefully won't have to re-learn too much.

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      Yup! And I just meant the Flex Champion section of this video, and it's basically just the info I said here 😅
      At the end of a new event drop I tend to give my recommendation for Flex Slot Champions for that event.
      Good luck on your quest to catch up!

    • @TheFudorin
      @TheFudorin 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack OH mb, Decided I should just jump into your Seat Tier list redux streams as a good starting point while I poke around at what I have. Ended up with 50+ electrum chests and a ton of others from claiming the achievements that weren't in the game when I was playing last!

  • @rtfmtech
    @rtfmtech 4 месяца назад +1

    This event makes me sad, because I have Jim, Val, Omin, and Lyzelle all Full Epic, but need Epics for all of the sucky ones... decisions decisions :(

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      I'd say at least choose 1 between Jim/Val/Lae'zel to throw the contracts at if nothing else after you FE the rest if you do.

  • @scottofthearctic
    @scottofthearctic 4 месяца назад +1

    The numbers Mason! What do they mean!?! 😂

  • @cryptocats69
    @cryptocats69 4 месяца назад +1

    hey tyre,
    do you have an epic creator code one can use to support you?

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      I do not, I've had a few people ask so I might need to look into that someday, but I'm really bad with that side of things lol.
      If you want to show some kind of support, the best way right now would be to throw a prime sub at my twitch if you happen to have one laying around! Otherwise, just watching is more than enough!

    • @cryptocats69
      @cryptocats69 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack i might have a prime free at this month, let me check
      ye, it is done, most likely not worth much but subbed or whatever u call it (i hardly use twitch)

    • @cryptocats69
      @cryptocats69 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack maybe you can give me a small hint on the current event : i saw your video to late so already grabbed one wrong hero (shandie). it is quite hard to find the best informations sometimes, and i stumbled uppon a guide on reddit that seem to like her (if i remember correctly, but it was "old"). now after i found your vid, i regret.
      so i have shandie, valentine for now (plus the two that come by ttheemself), and one or two slots free (two if i spend the 10 bucks).
      according to this vid, the best choices would be jim, omin and laezel - but i wasnt sure in which order , because i only have (max) 2 slots left. i tried to compare via the tier list (to go where i have the weakest spot, because i started kinda recently), but thats not so easy because it comes with the "pictures" and not text, so searching takes kinda much time
      which of those 3 would you pick first and second, if you were me (a noob that tries to get on with the game). and, in case you suggest to do this, for which of the champs should i buy stuff for 10 bucks to free the last slot? valentine? rust? seems it gives a good item and a few chests, so should be the "best" option i guess.
      thaanks!

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +1

      Appreciate you going through the trouble of throwing that prime at me!
      As far as the priority, it really depends on what you plant to focus on formation wise. If you're going to lean into the Absolute Adversaries which is a very popular team especially for newcomers, I'd grab Lae'zel. She's an important member of that team serving as their Speed champion while also being able to be a good buffer and a damage dealer until you iron out your roster. Speaking of, if you haven't yet, try this code to see if it still works: GINN-YGET-GOLD (it's a free Karlach if it still works, another important member of that team)
      If you're going to focus on an Artemis formation, Jim would be the pick, as he's best in that seat for Artemis.
      Omin if you want gold find.
      And if you really want to spend on a Champion, Valentine is a good choice as regardless of what meta formation you go for, these days Valentine is in all of them (other than speed/gem farming, that's when Briv takes over that Seat).

    • @cryptocats69
      @cryptocats69 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack thanks m8! no problem with twitch, wasnt big of a deal!
      i got karlach a while ago, she (?) rocks. always my top dmg-dealer until rust joined the team, they seem quite even. thanks for mentioning the code. am always grabbin those from that collection website all few days!
      i will spend on valentine (if i spend) and get the first two you mentioned. gold is surely good on omin, but i just realised i already have 4 champs that slot (most of them shitte i guess, but still), and only two on slot 2. so i will grab jim and laezel
      i have no idea of those formations. i guess i have to learn much. so far i am only going for adventures, joining the events and the game as far as possible. kinda sad it is not working (with the same account) on android, would be fun to keep on playing when not home too (aside idle progressing)
      have a good night and thanks! :)

  • @idkzero
    @idkzero 2 месяца назад +1

    I noticed Lilly was like wtf are you doing? Now to watch the rust remake and edit the comment.. I like rust when you have everybody who sucks..

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  2 месяца назад

      😺a multipurpose emote for the sake of talking about Rust and my cat.

  • @thevideogamemaster8173
    @thevideogamemaster8173 4 месяца назад +1

    I made a full on gold find team and the numbers on mine are just that stupidly high

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад

      Yeah, they can get a bit stupid on Rust.

    • @thevideogamemaster8173
      @thevideogamemaster8173 4 месяца назад

      @@tyredack my gold find champions are this as follows
      Merliwen
      Omin
      Ishi
      Valentine
      Dungeon Master
      Egbert
      Morgaen
      Astarion
      Rust
      Penelope

  • @SmoothCalmIce
    @SmoothCalmIce 3 месяца назад +1

    Omg i pushed my wall by 200 levels with a gold only formation 😂

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  3 месяца назад

      He's a crazy bastard for pushing up those numbers, it's true!

    • @SmoothCalmIce
      @SmoothCalmIce 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@tyredack With full purple Dhani as dps lol. As a F2P. Now we need a good gold find dps 🤑

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  3 месяца назад

      D'hani isn't terrible, but she's certainly not *amazing*
      The best DPS with the Gold Role is Jim, but since he offers his entire kit as support as well, hard to justify using him as main DPS most of the time. Would be interesting to get some more options, that's for sure. Too many stinkers with that dual role like Jarlaxle, Ishi, and Makos.

    • @SmoothCalmIce
      @SmoothCalmIce 3 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredackWell, you are right. I forgot that Jim is a gold find champion now. And a neutral one, so if i'm correct, is fully buffed by Vi and Evandra. Not Bad

  • @itsLalm
    @itsLalm 4 месяца назад +2

    ishi and prudence found dead in miami

  • @Zwutzke
    @Zwutzke 4 месяца назад +2

    Binwin rework when? :(

  • @andrejsasd8904
    @andrejsasd8904 4 месяца назад +2

    First!

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +2

      You got it! Here's your medal for first! 🥇

  • @Kuribohcoast
    @Kuribohcoast 4 месяца назад +1

    first?

    • @tyredack
      @tyredack  4 месяца назад +2

      So close. 🥈

    • @Kuribohcoast
      @Kuribohcoast 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tyredack dangit!