This House Believes New Labour Ruined Britain | The Cambridge Union
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2013
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Proposition:
5:55 BEN HARRIS-QUINEY - Ben Harris-Quinney is the current Chairman of the Bow Group, a leading Conservative think tank. Prior to this he chaired their Foreign Policy Research Committee. Additionally he has regularly contributed to The Guardian, The Times and The Independent, as well as being a contributing editor of the Commentator.com
33:16 JOHN REDWOOD - John Redwood is MP for Wokingham, an influential Conservative backbencher, and a former Secretary of State for Wales. He has twice stood for the Conservative leadership.
53:47 PETER HITCHENS - A well-known Mail on Sunday columnist and the author of six books, Hitchens is famous for his right-wing views and tenacious style of writing and debating
1:17:30 ANDREW MITCHELL MP - Andrew Mitchell has been an MP since 1987. He also served in the Cabinet as Secretary of State for International Development before being appointed Government Chief Whip in 2012.
Opposition:
13:37 BENJAMIN KENTISH - Outgoing President of the Cambridge Union Society, Ben is a third year PPS student at Emmanuel College.
43:19 HAZEL BLEARS MP - Hazel Blears has been an MP since 1997 and served as Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government from 2007-2009
1:02:53 LISA NANDY - Lisa Nandy is a Labour Party politician and is the current MP for Wigan. Elected in May 2010, she is one of the first six Asian female MPs and is currently shadow junior education minister
1:28:26 ANDY BURNHAM MP - Andy Burnham served under Gordon Brown as Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Culture Secretary and Health Secretary, and ran for Labour leadership in 2010
The results:
Ayes - 64
Noes - 186
Abstentions - 136
53:47 is where it's at, folks.
Tweed gang hitchslap
Come back here at least once a week to watch the show
'New Labour ruined Britain ably assisted by the Conservative party'. That is the best summary to describe the modern decline of Britain.
Peter Hitchins - Outstanding. Well said. 100% true.
I also agree totally.
Absolutely! Unfortunately, most of the time he is truly "a voice crying in the wilderness..."
We need more journalists like Peter Hitchens
He is dearly missed
@@javahne4007 Peter is still around, his brother Christopher died.
1:02:28 - the most telling moment when they are off mic, wish it had been on longer
Peter Hitchens once again showcasing the eloquence of his verbal smack down proficiency
Glad the Cambridge Union have now upgraded their video quality to "watchable".
This is what our education system should be based upon, making articulate and educated gentlemen out of thuggish rude young boys.
I'm aware that this is a debate but what strikes me most is that this is a classic example of a bunch of conceited, pontificating, opinionated & detached members of the middle class bourgeoisie. Masquerading as purveyors of 'new age' Leftism, oh I tire!
"Olympic dimwittery" for the win.
You should hear Hitchens' anecdote about the Brazilians that mobbed Blair, it's priceless.
I didn't know Clare Ballentine was speaking for the govt here
Thanks for proving my point.
Cilla Black came straight in with the identity politics... I knew from that point on the value of her as a speaker.
Shows just how out of touch the university “intellectual” class are with ordinary middle England. Blair, with mass non-EU immigration, expansion of the police state, establishment of political correctness in law via statues like Section 127 of the Communications act of 2003, the surrendering to the IRA via the Good Friday agreement which pardoned cowardly murderers but gave no protection to a few old soldiers who may have acted in an improper manner during Bloody Sunday and the Troubles as a whole, all of these things are just a small part of the grand design Blair had to Americanise and utterly ruin this country. Britain would be a much better place if it went back to the pre-1997 state of affairs, no devolution, far less political correctness and a much more homogeneous and socially and morally conservative nation. It wasn’t perfect but it was far better than the crap nation we live in today where even our pathetic “Conservative” party has done nothing to reverse these dreadful radical changes done unto Britain by that Machiavellian villain Tony Blair. Don’t be fooled though, both parties have in their own small ways sold this country down the river going all the way back to the later part of Clement Attlee’s first parliament of 1945-50.
Well said.
ah yes, the pre-1997 where crime was rampant. I would totally love to go back there.
@@soupman3285 crime is rampant now is it not?
thanks,
Good debate.
Americanization, and it's been happening for decades through imported US TV series. I also believe that a whole UK generation developed certain Australian pronunciations due to Neighbours and Home and Away.
Better a good US or Oz import than a crass home made one.
thank you .i agree .they destroyed this country them shit on it .and i was once a labour voter .wont make that mistake again .hope theres a hell just for tony blair thanks atb
So, what was the result of the vote? It's like cutting off the end of a film. We need percentages too.
In the description
"One word has not been mentioned at all [in a discussion of New Labour] and that is Iraq" 55:10
good, for a change
5:40 "Sooooo you dare to waid us?"
Andy Burnham really is crap. Returns to his "Thatcher" stock speech without attempt to debate the motion.
5:25 Debate Starts
Peter Hitchens is right. What we have in Britain is a democratic deficit, First Thatcher then Blair, both elected with less than 45% of the vote, on around a 70% turnout. Both had huge numbers of MP`S behind them, and did exactly what they wanted without opposition or restraint, or any thought for the long term. both in there own way ruined the Britain I grew up in and loved. We now have a system where by the party that finishes 4th in the election gets no MP`S, parties that poll less votes do.
Yes, the mahogany and leather upholstery is superb, isn't it?
The joke at 34:40 was very good timing LOOL
‘Brown-daries’ was far more accurate and insightful than the rapturous applause that ‘stalwarts of the white’ received....
1:02:28 for an unguarded off-mic comment from Redwood on 'Blaijorism'
Omg. What happened to Cambridge?
I shall be voting ukip.
Blears' opening shows how identity politics has festered here for quite a while
Where do those insufferable hooting noises come from, and when did they become customary at Cambridge debates? Clapping used to suffice.
I thought Mitchell was very good. His concessions to 'what Blair got right' made a better case for the opposition than any of them were able to muster.
Peter Hitchens says, "... government by people who only care about themselves ..." and who is sitting opposite him? Hazel Waving-A-Check Blears!
who is that fit long legged bird on the back bench ?
And as sure as hell, the fickle great Bring public will vote them back in come May.
1:34:14
Hitchens on being labelled white is so important right now
how the fuck could've there been 186 nays, and 136 abstentions? and Cambridge is the bar we rank in smart people we export to help the world? give me a break it should be 64 abstentions, 186 yays and 136 noes. anywho Peter Hitchens was by far the best one, and yes I think the debate someone mentioned at 32:01 between Centrist/Neo-liberals and hard right-wingers was pretty shallow, I think if it was Peter Hitchens, Tariq Ali, John Pilger or George Galloway versus the windbags you heard from defending New Labour we'd have a far different outcome I would think. New Labour began the free-market reforms and privatization schemes of the NHS and railways and education, inequality was greater under New Labour then the Tories, and with their reckless deregulation of the Banks and housing sector the Great Recession came about. The minimum wage was far too unsustainable a measly 5 pound, and the welfare to work program made people more dependent and shooed them into low wage/casual work, and New Labour decided higher education wasn't a right and introduced expensive tuition fees, and New Labour made the world a more unequal place with its free trade policies, and not only was Iraq the great war crime of the century but New Labour ruined Sierre Leone, destroyed and conquered and divided Yugoslavia and made Kosovo another Dresden/Tokyo style ruin and before destroying Iraq subjected the people to a monstrous embargo called sanctions for them to get rid of WMDS they didn't have and three UN officials resigned two of them calling the sanctions genocidal which killed 5,000 mainly children under the age of five. Lastly Labour didn't bring justice for the Hillsborough family, for fuck sakes the people denigrating working class people, culture and those victims of racism and classicism like Stephen Lawrence and Hillsborough weren't given justice under New Labour and New Labour was supported by the Murdoch Press who denigrates people like that and supported New Labour because Blair would give them more media powers and Blair was really another right-winger like Thatcher, two sides of the same coin. and Labour was never Green, they gave the EU a bad name, and didn't renationalize the railways, major utilities, or help deindustrlized places. and the fact Burham, and Lisa have been working overtime to destroy Jeremy Corbyn, a true socialist reformer and a moderate one at that, shows they are commited to the Blair Witch project. Peter Hitchens said one of the worst things about New Labour the fanatical EU fundamentalist, Third Way cult, was destroying a meaningful opposition in which all the parties now are indistinguishable. which is why though he's not a socialist he welcomes Jeremy Corbyn and detests the Anti-Corbyn lynch flock of his own paper and the rest of the Blair friendly/Tory media establishment and political class.
56:05
Look up the genocide in Indonesia, if you think the UK wasn't getting into shady conflicts before Iraq.
There was nothing shady about Iraq.
Saddam Murdered 1.5 million people and used chemical weapons on whole towns and villages. And he also allowed terrorists to operate from within Iraq.
bighands69 No one went there for any humanitarian reason. Cut the crap.
So this is how Campbridge debates look right now? Times have changed...
Terrible camera perspective
They did.
Allegations and proven cases of expenses fiddling - is this the level of Cambridge Uni ??
Just can't get into a debate read from notes.
when?
Burnham got his ar*e handed to him by Hitchens.
good that they invited tim nice but dim to be the new leader
The Cambridge Union Society.........AKA The cockpit of Juvenalia.
Thatcher had already done that
Wanna know about women and politics? First 25:00 will tell you all you need to know.
Ruined? Deliberately destroyed more like!
Oh Ben Kentish!
An hour and 12 minutes in and I gave up on trying to make up my mind. The usual polemics and painting vice as virtue from both sides.
12:20 For one of the best Freudian slips ever caught on camera!
Burnham just got Hitchslapped.
Are you after a job in the Daily Mail LOL.
Peter's foreign policy is moronic
John Redwood @ 33:09
dem legs
the guy in the Kilt?
qetoun aye
beidlgsicht The girl with the black heels, damn
exactly bro. damn.
I speak as a Lower-Middle Class Architecture graduate of Manchester. These such intistutions are all Britain has left at the moment. It hasnt been popular to be a "toff" over the New-Labout tragedy, but when the shit hits the fan its left to you guys to sort it out. British public are ignorant and complacent. I commend all who are a part of these institutions!
labour is really coming nowwww
Bankers
Benjamin Kentish exposes his lack of preparation, then assures us his study cancels out his lack of experience.
Hazel Blears exemplifies casual racism.
Lisa Nandy expresses New labour ruined The Labour Party.
Andy Burnham explains his infantilism and self centred solidarity.
The proposition side have only time against them given the overwhelming evidence with which to execute the case.
The motion is flawed in that "ruin" is arguable to a degree of damage and its legacy. The motion should have been "This house believes New Labour attempted to destroy the British unitary state and hand sovereignty to foreigners."
This is a debate about the liberties of ordinary citizens hosted by some of the most privileged people in society. Bit of a self-congratulatory farce really.
so, who the fuck won?
56:10 Was that Hitchins or Chamberlain? I can't tell the difference.
Who cares what the Tory toffs of the Cambridge Union think...nobody.
So much ignorance in opposition to the liberation of Iraq.
Iraq Iraq Iraq
Erm... Heath took us into the EEC. Major signed us into the Maastricht Treaty which was the start of the major giving away of domestic powers. Tories have short memories.
John redwood, one of the good few. but never gets a proper cabinet position, just like mogg. imagine them as chancellor and PM
Nandy is an awful women.
Redman is so right about Blair and Brown making Salmond possible.
How can you have decent debate in Westminster nowadays ? Most of its authority has gone to,Brussels. All they talk about nowadays is Health, Education and gay marriage. You want real debate ? Lets get our sovereignty back from Brussels.
Your argument that legalising abortion amounts to genocide is like saying legalising suicide is tantamount to murder. It is not. And if the native population chooses to breed with the immigrant population, that is not genocide either. Genocide is not voluntary. It is forced upon you.