This House Regret The Consequences of U.S. Dominance | The Cambridge Union
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2013
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Proposition:
1:20 Seumas Milne - Seumas Milne is a columinst and Associate Editor at The Guardian. He has reported from the Middle East, Russia and Latin America.
24:45 Mark Nelson - Mark Nelson is a PhD student in Nuclear Energy
57:40 Jeremy Corbyn MP - Jeremy Corbyn is MP for Islington North and is a prominent anti-war campaigner and a long-time supporter of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament.
Opposition:
11:05 Dr. Alan Mendoza - Dr. Alan Mendoza is the founder and Executive Director of the Henry Jackson Society. He is a renowned expert on global affairs and US foreign policy.
30:10 Richard Ottaway MP - Richard Ottaway is the Conservative MP for Croydon South and Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee. He served as a Shadow Defence
Minister.
1:09:43 Michael Levenstein - Michael is a second-year Law student at Trinity College, Cambridge, who previously graduated from the Universities of Pennsylvania and Oxford, and has published a number of works on moral philosophy, specifically moral objectivism and utilitarian ethics, in addition to political treatises advocating the primacy of conservative values.
Results:
Ayes: 118
Noes: 73
The motion passed
Some very interesting points raised, I feel Michael Levenstein was 'pissing in the wind' following Jeremy Corbyn's section
Well done, Seumas, this couldn't have been said in any better way. What a powerful speech. Thank you!
The Marshall Plan was offered to Eastern Europe but the Soviet Union objected.
I only what to rectify what was a little misunderstanding of why the Marshall Plan did not reached Eastern Europe. What make the US unique if you think it is the only nation in recorded history that did not have a altruistic foreign policy.
Exactly all this critical chagrin it does not really concern me the foreign policy of certain individual countries they are just fulfilling their own interests in what benefit their own countries.
May I thank the Cambridge Union Society for allowing me once again to allowed to view & hear this memorable debate.
I am somewhat hopeful after listening to the proposers of this motion & some of the comments from its supporters in regard to the future of Cambridge Union Debating society.
Not to sure about the future of humanity & peace for this world , however one cannot place this debate as an achievement for mankind.
Enjoyed Jeremy Corbin MP's contribution by the USofA to world peace..
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All you have to do is to get your government executive and legislative to request an end to US protection, trade, and alliance. I'm sure the US would more than gladly oblige. I mean, after all, we have in fact spent several times your national GDP (over several decades) protecting and supporting your country. If, in fact, the US presence and power IS in decline, you'd best be looking for a better ally.
Gladly, the U.S. only looks after itself.
Lucia Tilyard But often at the expence of others.
I'm here 9 years later and the Russian Federation is rolling their tanks in Europe. While once again America defends them.
Good job man God bless you
America would be OK. but for its government who seem to think bullying is a good idea, and that bullying is the only way to get what you want!
Dr. Alan Mendoza argues for global democracy and at the same time the global dictatorship of the US... complete contradiction
The floor seemed to have a strong general scorn for the United States as a whole.
Looking back now eight years later I can only imagine how much stronger that sensation has grown, both at the Cambridge Union and throughout Europe.
Can you get a written version of the debate ?
Maybe the role USofA arms contributions in foreign aid for peace achievements in Egypt & the Middle East would have been more relevant.
The floor speaker for abstention should have remembered the adage that it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
B: You may be able to find the results of relatively current debates on the Union's website.
C is unanswerable, as what proportion of the university student body chooses to join the Union ultimately may only recognise it as a forum for free debate, and of those students there are countless interpretations on what that might signify.
The MP utterly dominated the event. The wuss from Ok State U was himself an unfortunate export of the US.
The was example of a preemminence singular power The Roman Empire.
What was the known world at that time it was.
It was just the limited reach of the sea fearing technology during that historical period.
I would love for the young Scot to explain how the US dragged the UK into two World Wars. That is a novel argument, to say the least. Multi-polar power has, historically, resulted in global warfare. So far as having absolute dominance, the US may seem arrogant, but by the same token, given the alternatives, I really don't hear too many determining which force for good would do a better job of it. America came to this great power for a reason; it wasn't exactly a "lay down" deal, after all. Likewise, if America is in any sort of decline (and I would surely be willing to entertain that debate), there is a greater fear that America will fail than there is that America will succeed in regaining her rightful place in the world.
He actually referenced our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.......
He didn't say 'world wars'. he was talking about Iraq and Libya, Bud.
Mr Mendosa mentions NED - CIA front , US supports democracy , erm... like Mosaddegh in Iran or maybe Allende in Chile.
What a silly boy he is.....
+Mein Sohn Reality for them is whatever they say it it. The dont care about the FACTS and on the ground evidence
Corbyn is wrong. Yes, America uses it’s power to support certain regimes over others. This does not always lead to perfect outcomes, but is often a choice between the lesser of two evils. Yes, America has been known to push back against Socialist leaders in Latin America and around the world. That is because socialism almost always leads to totalitarianism. Not all government/economic systems are created equal. America is not perfect- but nonetheless works to spread democracy and capitalism, the best systems for human flourishing that we know of. Ideas that we adopted from the English I might add.
America could have just taken over Europe, Japan and Korea and just been a conqueror. There is no one that could have possibly stopped that. So I don't know why he couldn't have thought of those examples.
I am disappointed with your debates at the CU on RUclips upon which I can never see the results for or against the motion.
A . I find your debates fascinating as you are all yet to become leaders in a UK society .
B. I regret that I am always kept in the dark as to power of debate on the your voting results of your society.
C. Are you attempting to portray yourselves as intellectual prospective liberal democrats 1. To preserve or change society, 2.A self promotion excitement group..
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The first speaker's proposition seems to lack even a trace of a broader perspective. What ericfeinberg said was true. Moreover, what about the interplay of superpowers during the Cold War? Frankly, some of the US's methods used may be condemned as unsavoury, but the alternatives to come were of no better quality, either.
White Race speaker always referring to the past White Race Glory ....what Imperialism
There have been many a crime comitted by the USA with Henry Kissinger Standing out for the time of the Cold War and Bush Junior Standing for the time after that. That is always the Problem with the US I have: So much potential, so few used for a good cause.
But if I Review the alternatives: A world in which we have peculiar more balanced world under three power blocks of Russia and China who also persue a policy that is even more imperialistic, driven by self-interest than that of the USA, I do not see in any way a Change for the better. Far to the contrary I see less from the good side of th US and more form the bad side as it now struggles in earnst for power. I would prefer a world domintated by the USA over that Situation, as I can not think what good will com from it.
All all . All White race 's point of view ....from a WHITE RACE COMMUNITY
Cry some more
As a retired member of the US armed forces I'm very familiar with the school of the Americas and Latin American issues, this SJW clown from Oklahoma is factually incorrect on everything he said on central and south America. We in fact made every effort to teach them (officers from Latin America) human rights and the importance of taking care of the local populace.
+Indie Infidel Really?
In that case how lousy was your teaching - ALL the brutal coup d'etats and barbaric regimes in the Americas had ALL come from the School of the America. Coincidence?
All? Uh huh. Because there was never a "brutal", dictatorial regime in the "America" prior to the existence of The School of the American, and of the regimes overthrown by coup d'etats could rightly be described as "brutal" or barbaric. Whatever you say. You're a fucking imbecile if you actually believe what you wrote.
indie, but unfortunately people take no notice of lessons coming from a hypocrite, only a body who practices what it preaches, will have an effect.