LM 39.1 [REACTION] NIGHTWISH - Romanticide
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Réaction spontanée à la chanson "Romanticide", en trois versions (studio et live) du groupe de métal symphonique Nightwish.
== Vidéo de la version originale :
• Romanticide
== Vidéo de la version Live (Rehearsal 2009 - Annette) :
• Nightwish-Romanticide ...
== Vidéo de la version Live (Live in Wacken 2013 - Floor) :
• NIGHTWISH - Romanticid...
Cette vidéo fait partie de la série 'Lectio Musica' commencée en avril 2020.
== Présentation de la série (français et sous-titres anglais) :
• LM. 00. Introduction '...
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tarja turunen belongs to the world of gothic music !!! thank god now he returned home !!! the gothic discs of him alone are works of art !!! nightwish is a wonderful romantic symphonic power metal band and floor is an excellent singer, just for the nightwish style, but our goddess of darkness, Tarja, gave today's music classes in lyrical and operatic singing !!!
Would you have suggestion, for gothic titles of Tarja?
Floor brings so, so much to Nightwish.
T.wo generosities meeting each other : fireworks!
all three nightwish singers are great.
Agreed!
Agreed, Wacken 2013 is special.
Yes it is!
Thank you for your opening comments....I have been banging my head against a wall trying to get peeps to understand that Nightwish has three era's and all their singers brought what was needed when needed. Tarja launched Nightwish. Annette helped the band get over the hurt and depressions of letting Tarja go (yes they did it in a chitty way but you can't change the past so get over it) and Floor saved Nightwish but at the same time Nightwish saved Floor as she was just coming off of burnout. All three singers where were they needed to be when they needed to be. Nightwish is not a female singer Nightwish is an amazing BAND. Take each singer's contributions for what they are - sit back, put on your headphones (as we don't line up speakers in this day and age) and enjoy the ride. BTW I wish all a Happy Holiday season.
Every member contributed to the history of Nightwish. Like you said they are a band with ups and downs but they are still here. I am with the process. You cannot change the past but you can appreciate it. Joyride! Seasons Greetings!!
Thanks to both of you. One day, it will go through our heads and hearts! And we will enjoy NW event more!
Well said,i agree with you!!! It's the real truth!!! Happy holiday season to you.
That's what it is with Nightwish - if someone listens to this band for the first time, it's usually "Ghost Love Score" - viewers' recommendations and so on. Ok, most of the time it's the Wacken version and the reactors are delighted - no wonder. Then Gabriel - Gabriel appears in the comments on the reaction, a great respect for you! Gabriel briefly summarizes the history of the band and recommends more songs worth listening to - "Romanticide" is one of the first and rightly so, because while GLS from Floor shows the versatility of the singer, the band's artistry and makes the audience interested and want more, "Romanticide" makes that they fall in love with the team and there is no rescue for them. It works flawlessly! - each subsequent song turns out to be different, but equally fascinating.
We are going a different path and well, because we already know the band well and we don't need to have any special incentives to attract our attention. You said a very important thing - there is no point in arguing which of the female singers is better - each of them brings us something different and this song is special because we have it in Tarja, Anette and Floor versions. Tarja was the first I heard - I was carried away - Emppu's guitar sounds as if He was playing just for me - great! But this version is not perfect for me - Tarja doesn't have good vocal support from Marco and Marco doesn't have Tarja's support - this - knowing the later versions - is a big minus for me. But Emppu - damn amazing!
And here comes Anette - it's a very valuable movie you chose, because it shows something very rare - a band in rehearsal, casual, T-shirts and jeans, zero tension - we don't see such moments often - it's really cool! Anette - there are songs in which I love her, and some in which I only like her very much - this is one of those in which I like her very much. Well - the competition was very strong - Tarja and Floor - didn't beat either Tarja or Floor, but she is still on the podium - not only because there are only three, but because you can see that she really feels the song, it's not like that spectacular like Floor and Tarja, but sings with heart - you can see it, hear it and give it back to her!
And here we come to Wacken - you're right - it's a great evening, everyone is in great shape - they are giving a great, legendary concert! Floor decides to sing very much like Tarja - the resemblance really hits, but what happens is what I missed in Tarja's version - how much Marco's vocals bring - it was already heard in the version with Anette, but not that well - here Floor has great Marco's support, and Marco's great support for Floor, together they sound great, and in the last part it's even hard to tell if Marco is equal to Floor or Floor is equal to Marco! Anyway, the effect is great and this performance has become for me the one that I often come back to with real pleasure!
One song - so many different impressions - there is nothing to argue about which version is better - each one moves, none disappoints!
Thanks for your insightful comment! Peace!
I lost you Marek, glad to read your beautiful comments.
I agree with you, that Wacken version is absolutely amazing ❤️.
Both Floor and Marco were in their best, they enjoyed the song and the rest of the band were in their best, the audience was fantastic also!!
So i saw the Annete's version in lives and she was very good with this song, she enjoyed the performance as only Annete can do, she danced always. More light version but beautiful also,it was perfect video this who Quylain chosen,free from the audience, simple outfits and a good friendship between the members. Happy days 💗.
Studio album version is great now for me, mutch with the rest of the album and i like more than before.
But we have not a live from her to have a more complete opinion.
So we agree,i told before that this is the song who like me more with Floor's version.
Maybe Floor gave in this song a dynamic who the song had.
I agree also that Marko and Floor helping each other in the Wacken so equal who made the song ...a masterpiece.
Nice to have you
in our company again Marek,we missed you!!!
See you soon my friend,be safe!!!
Emppu shines and delivers on point. Valuable band player supporting the cast as always. Amazing show the band is hitting on all cylinders. Marco and Floor exchanging their moments in aggressive stances. The band pursuing the Muse with no ceiling up!! The band in full on beast mode. Keeping us on the edge!!
I always love when you observe the differences between versions it paints a picture differently in my head and points to things I usually do not pay attention. Thanks my Polish guy!! Seasons Greetings!!
I like the studio version but the energy is missing. We do not have a song live with Tarja. We will never know. The Wacken. Hey boy!! Awe! Jukka pounding on the drums like there is no tomorrow. Everyone shines, my dear Emppu stretching is chops! Yeah you can also shred!! This song his a romantic/visceral get in your face moment!! They are going in fearlessly. Marco and Floor coming in with the call of the wild!! Floor' windmills could power up a city like Rotterdam or Québec. Witch scream fiercely coming up! This performance puts many of my favourite bands to shame....Like we say in French : On fait sortir le méchant!!
Thank you Guylain for this!!
You will have a better picture of Anette when you will do her albums Guylain.
Dear friend,i love what do you say, you have apsolute right, it's a fantastic show, dreaming version in the most great stage of Wacken festival. Floor is fantastic,Marko Hietala shines in the stage, and all the other members are equally amazing ❤️. I love their energy,i love NW in Wacken 2013. Perfection.
Yes it's a pity who we haven't a live version from Tarja but i don't believe that she makes some difference because she hates this song. But hopefully we have some from Annete's era.
Soon my first loving era will complete with a great song LGS who Quylain left for us for Christmas present but the second era is beautiful also for me,so the new year will be wonderful also.
See you next my friend!!
Be safe and happy till then.
It is, by all sides, a fantastic rendition of the song. Impossible to match, from my POV. Everybody performed flawlessly!
Much respect to you for guiding the discussion towards a positive direction. People have preferences but there's little or nothing to be gained of arguing about them. 🤔😁
Tarja got me into listening metal music. I was thrilled when Anette joined and NW finally had a new singer! Such a relief!
Floor brought me back after I lost my way for a while, and she has opened some other doors as well. And it was actually Ghost Love Score from Wacken that did that, so I can't wait for next week! 😊
I can see and feel why people like the Tarja's era. And I understand fully the love for Floor. For me, the albums with Annette are the real unknown, from a singer perspective. Looking forward to dig into them.
@@GuylainPrince Dark Passion Play was awesome. I didn't really get into Imaginaerum when it was released - I lost interest for some reason - but now afterwards it is also a really good album and has great songs!
If you do Ghost love score next, I hope you do Wacken version with Floor. IMO she took the song to the next level at the end. When Tarja left the stage, Floor kept on singing.
- Never mind, you already answered this at the end of this video 😊
He will see both versions, probably.
When Tarja left from the stage in end of an era, it was because she changed her outfit for the last songs of the concert and left the glory for the rest of the band.
@@stasa-X Yes, and the final part Floor developed for the end of the song didn´t exist in the original nor did it exist in their live presentations of that time. I hate when people don't know what they are saying. Nevertheless, I really like Floor's version.
@@RitaFMachado I agree with you, Tarja following the studio version in her performances and was great always.
Many new fans known the song from Floor's version first and they used to love her version, which is good also, but never listen the studio version as we used to hearing.
@@stasa-X yes, that's true. I think they are missing, they could have so much more to enjoy about Nightwish if they openef to their past at the same time they can enjoy Floor. Of course everybody is entitled to prefer one singer over the other, that's subjective, but how can you not digg into the pastofthe band to understand where they came from, that's what I do not understand because it's something I always do when I find a new band I like. NOT Nightwish, I like them since Oceanborn came out in 98, I've been always here.
You're right about Wacken 2013. I think that what happened was that after the band had been through some really rough times, with friction within, culminating with Anette falling ill during the tour, forcing them to bring in a replacement earlier than planned. (Anette was pregnant so at least a temporary replacement was planned, but not for a few months I believe.) Then Floor had to learn the songs and they had to get used to each other. At Wacken 9 or 10 months had passed, and they have tuned into each other and the entire band was in a better place than they had been in a very long time.
Yup! that would be my reading too!
You did a wonderful job in commenting a song in three different versions. Very interesting. You are right, every singer has his own way to master it and Tuomas did his best in fitting the music to the abilities of the referring singer. Well done. Also your intense reaction: well done. Je veux voir plus de vous ;). J'ai abonnee votre canal. Merci bien.
Thanks you! Well, you can go back in time, if you wish. As you see, this it my 39th song! I have been there for almost 8 month. Plenty songs to listen to. I have donne all the last album of NW, anf an history of EPICA. We are about to begin a journey with RUSH. Another great journey!
The Wacken 2013 version of this song can't be beaten. No contest, game over. And that banshee wail straight out of Valhalla by the two of them...
It is fantastic, isn't it?
@@GuylainPrince And as a former choral vocalist, I know just how difficult it is to synchronise those glissando slides so that they don't become discordant.
Milliseconds out in timing and it is fingernails down a board.
I know that, dear friend. I know so well! :-) Hello, from another choir director!
The Wacken concert has terrible audio mix, i much prefer the original album version.
@@Fucklesticks Wacken 2013?
One thing I hadn't really noticed before is how dry Emppu's sound is on the Once album. His muted notes are incredibly crisp - almost "too perfect". Marko's bass sound has evolved a little too. The guitars are definitely more forward in the mix. The ending on the albumn is harsh and industrial, something again they've changed over time. Romanticide is definitely one that seems to suit Annette's style, the song really seems to lend itself to multiple vocal interpretations. I agree about the "state of grace". Nightwish always deliver live, but there just seemed to be such a confluence of events to make this show special. I swear during Storytime in this same concert you can see the moment when Tuomas knows "they're back", a big grin and a look to the centre.
I noticed that and the joy they show in this concert is ... wonderful!
Oh boy, gonna be a good one!!
It was!
Great end to a tough day! Thanks to Guylain and all in chat! Bless you all, and Nightwish too!
It was fun, isn't it? We were 160 at one point! A lot of good vibes and appreciation for this great song!
And God made music and he said it was good.
And then he created Nightwish, and he said it was very good.
And then Mr. Floor created and he dropped the microphone.
Because he had created the perfection.
the North German Division of the Nightwish Army reports !! We are there. special greetings to #GabrielBardac
and of course the rest of the army
legends say when a new machine gun is built, the manufacturers seek out jukka and adjust the rate of fire. his double base counts :)
Excellent post. You made me smile! Thanks for the nice words from the NW Army (Germany division).
@@GuylainPrince Many Thanks
As promised, I am working back thru your reactions...I think it's been 4 days I've been away, and I honestly missed seeing your smiling face, hearing what you experience in these songs. I speak 5 languages, but French is not one, so I must really concentrate to read your words...but its worth every moment!
This was brilliant! I've never heard the album/Tarja version, and it was sooo good. Tho Marco's vocal is subdued, I could finally hear his words, and you're right...he is the storyteller here. I don't know what year that album was recorded, but being familiar w Marco's solo band, Tarot, I know how dynamic his voice is. I do like how his vocal is softer, yet I love his stronger live vocals...more "rockstar"!
I also had never seen Annete live...her voice is much thinner, and maybe bc it was a practice, or soundcheck, she wasn't sounding very powerful, yet her singing had such clarity. Her mic had reverb on it,.. I dont know enough to say, but think perhaps it's to help w the impression that she's holding her notes longer? I still.very much enjoyed the performance...and Jukka's drumming...fantastic! The Wacken/Floor version just feels so passionate and powerful, esp w her ability to hold those notes in harmony w Marco!
I see nothing to gain from comparing these women. They each made a massive contribution to Nightwish, in their own way. I enjoyed each version.
Nothing to gain. Nothing. Let's appreciate each of them for what they gave! As for me, the albums of Anette are among my favourites of NW, ranking no 1 and 3. The music is exceptional!
Awww Annette Olsen :) she did an awesome job on the studio albums she did with them and in "Imaginaerum movie by Nightwish 2012" Guylain if you haven't seen the actual movie you need to see it, it was mostly shot in Montreal, Quebec and Canadian cast, very magical yet dark and Nightwish members are in it.
Hi Gaia, Quylain must see the movie before Imaginearum songs reaction.
It's a great movie who probably will see again at vacation time!!
Great suprise who saw Annete's version, don't you think?
@@stasa-X Yes :) I loved Annette for the albums Tuomas did during her time with them, it fit her perfectly and she's a good actress, I can totally see her in those Disney movies, I liked her. Love the "Storytime offical video" and "Slow Love Slow" she great. I bought the Imaginaerum movie it's a must for all Nightwish fans :)
@@gaiavenus Yes i love her both albums with NW and some songs who sung from Tarja's era, she is perfect with her own way.
The truth is that NW has not an official DVD with Annete but they have a movie with her,so we have something good from this era to remember her.
@@stasa-X Yeah, your right there isn't a DVD now that you have mentioned it. She's is special and gave us something different. Tuomas knows what fits for these beautiful, powerful, amazing women that we love and appreciate.
@@gaiavenus Yes he always knew better than us. He is the composer!!!
Did you buy ticket for their stream live?
I thought this time it would be Nemo! 😅 The studio version of Romanticide, for me, is perfect.
Sadly, Nemo was not chosen by the fans. The poll at the beginning of this journey identified Romanticide and Ghost Love Score from Once.
This album have so many masterpieces but many new fans they don't know yet. Romanticide in that era was the most weak song, never played in Once's tour with Tarja, this song playing in lives in Annete's era and finally return in Floor's era and the most fans lishening from Floor.
For me most of new fans never had lishening many of songs of the once's album and unfortunately songs like Creek Mary's blood and higher than hope,siren and the masterpiece Kuolema takee taiteiljian in Fin language never voted as well.
But the most of the votes win and this is democracy.
So I am ready to listen !!!!
Another great one you missed is Creek Mary's Blood. You really should make reaction to this song. One day :)
@@stasa-X Creek Mary's Blood is a beautiful song! The message is also very important!
@@guimich2478 Yes i love this song, the end of an era was a fantastic live ,so sad but so beautiful at the same time.
Great version!!! I thank NW who have this song in their DVD end of an era.
I have a version from Annete's era in North America, fantastic also!!!
The lyrics and the music are both amazing. John two hawks gave so emotions to the song who stay in your ears hours.
Oh Guylain, l know already that you are a true gentleman, but your speech about the importance of the singers was a very impressive one. I agree 💯 of it, allthough l'm personally gravitated heavily to Floor (and l can't and won't help it). There are some general understanding, that "Once" is the best Nightwish album, but l don't know. I've never seen this training session with Anette. It was good, way better than l expected. Respect! 👍 The Wacken performance is still the iconic one. When l first saw it, l even get a little scared to the amount of energy it contained (as an old homeboy that l'm actually am 😲). And there l agree totally to you. Nightwish's Wacken 2013 show is the best live concert of all time. They were under all the lucky stars there. This happens only some times in the human history. Very good job, again. ⛄👍
Once is the best selling one. Nemo the song that broke in America but that does not mean much they are still in the same arenas. Hope this changes in the future. Floor is pretty dynamic and and no holds bar here. Her persona shines and she is awesome with the band. All was in place and aligned for a special night! Kiitos!! and why not Perkele!!
@@guimich2478 Yes! SAATANAN PERKELE! 😅👍
Thanks Pekka, I am aware that Century Child and Once are among the beloved. And until now, I agree. They are great albums, even if Once seems to have few flaws I will talk about in the analysis of GLS.
We have that in agreement friar. Wacken is exceptional.
Oh my lord!! The return of my Dutchy grinchy!! How could it be!! I do not even know where to start! Finally we are set!
Yup, Eddie! A unique concert! I call it : the one concert that sealed a new alliance between NW and their fans!
I agree with your statement about all 3 female singers. Tuomas is simply an amazing composer and he tailors the songs to whomever is doing the vocals. In the beginning with Tarja as lead, the music was very symphonic. More like an opera, very theatre. This made for amazing songs with her vocals. With Anette, the music was less symphonic, to me it had a very folk vibe, kinda popish. Now with Floor, even though I am not a fan of the context of the lyrics, I still love the beautiful music.. I do not like to see Nishtwish fans fight about who sings better, sit back and simply enjoy the magic!
Thanks. Lots of wisdom in this post!
Tarja Turunen and Floor Jansen 👌🤘
¿Te gustan los dos para esta canción? Estoy de acuerdo con usted. Tarja trae algo bueno para ella.
@@GuylainPrince así es. Son diferentes los tonos cada una en particular pero las dos me encantan. Voces distintas pero excelentes.
I have never seen this training session before and honestly: I like it. It is different with Anette but she holds her ground. Normally I find Anette good to very good in the studio (love Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum), less in live with a few exceptions, but it sounds OK here. Maybe because there’s less pressure, it’s more relaxed. I don’t know.
Haha, Emppu couldn’t be bothered playing his solo. You have to love that guy!!!
Edit: Wacken 2013-For me his best solo of all times, followed by High Hopes.
We agree on everything!
I like this picture from Ones album next to you Quylain!!
So much to tell,so much to learn!!!
See you tomorrow!!!
Yup!
The joy in that picture!
@@guimich2478 I never looked back in time the cover of the album or the albums, all beautiful but never thought that maybe had some meanings.
I read a comment in the previous analysis and i thought that maybe had some crypto meanings all the cover of the albums and my mind went to the next album Once and i saw it with different approach,why this cover? But in next video i will say more my friend!!
@@stasa-X So I must wait for the Delphi Oracle to understand! Ok I will summon!!
@@guimich2478Yes you must wait my friend two days at least,hihihi.
Great Guylain and thanks for reminding everyone not to compare, but to enjoy the difference between the 3 lead singers. I suppose, depending when one discovered Nightwish, one may prefer one singer to the two others!? Me, I simply enjoy the performances... And, yes, I do agree - Wacken 2013 is a special one where the stars and signs fell in perfect harmony
Yup! Totally!
As always a pleasure watching your reactions!
Thanks!
The (btw. french) girl at 28:10 who had already been seen twice during that song, singing along and rolling her eyes, so knowing the song very well, is in total enthusiasm of the performance.
She is so funny! And she is French? How do you know? A flag? You know her?
All singers have there songs where i prefer them, Floor for me is just overall the most lovely person and i prefer such a clean strong voice mostly, but there are still songs where i prefer Tarja and even ones where i prefer Anette.
As an NW Fan since 98 i was a little Tarja "biast" at first but after i got to know Floor in "Real Life" and how she is Privat, she is the most lovely Person on the Planet i guess :)
Thanks for the testimony! Nice to hear.
la version d' Annette est très bien, elle apporte une touche optimiste. Je suis d'accord avec vous ce wacken est un état de grâce. quel grand moment. j'aime beaucoup leur live à Tempere en 2015, vraiment excellent
j'ai hâte , merci d'avance pour votre cadeau de Noël
J'en ai trois cadeaux : GLS, mon Top-4 de l'année. Et je vous présenterai un band que vous ne connaissez pas, mais que vous devriez connaître.
@@GuylainPrince intéressant, très intéressant
This is the last song which I loved from Once album, with dead gardens. Many times i changed the position of the songs to find the next loving songs 😂.
I was boring to listening it all the time 😂. They never played in lives in Once's tour and finally almost lost it. Then came Annete's era and i am lishening a live from Sibiu Romania if I remember well or madova Italia and i like it with Annete's voice ,i found more interesting the song with her.
In one video of Tarja's solo career finally I heard in live and the dead gardens and I like it very much 😂.
So after years i loved finally all the album as never before.
Now I like the album version very much , especially in the end reminds me the tribal of the human nature album. Wonderful music, all the instruments on fire 🔥, Marco is fantastic in bass,i love his playing and i love his singing, Jukka's had a dreaming playing and Emmpu is amazing. Tarja's studio version is more romantic for me but we haven't a live version of her,so bad.
I saw Annete Olson in Quylain's channel for the first time,i love Annete's era,i love her in both albums and i like her lives also, her version was more light but the result of the total changes was perfect 😉.
Finally we have Wacken festival with Floor, what can I say? Perfect version and a fantastic show in total.
All members in their best.
As Quylain said, hopefully we have this live in DVD. Perfection!!!
It's not one of my favourite songs from NW but after years i used to like and grow insight me every time.
It's a good song like dead gardens is but because we had so great songs in Once's album we choose the best and some songs became less interesting back then.
I never tried to analyse the lyrics before,so the next analysis video will be very interesting for me.
Quylain great reactions in all videos, so happy to put Annete's video also, thank you for this!!!
See you next,be safe!!
I enjoy the version on the Once album but I feel the production is not that great. I already said on my comment what I think of this song at Wacken. The live version of this song is my favorite with Planet Hell, Creek Mary's Blood(End of an Era) and the one that Guylain will do next week.Hihihi! Like you said Tarja is more romantic but Floor version is visceral!! Her version makes me fly with Pegasus!! See you later Greek lady!!
@@guimich2478 I just read your comments Gui, Hihihi the next week will be the greatest song reaction of the first era songs.
It's my second favourite song but it is the most famous from all.
But certainly we will say goodbye in one beautiful era with plenty of gorgeous songs and one amazing singer.
@@stasa-X Goodbye to one moment that will live on in our memories but welcoming in another moment that follows a different path. I still do not know who is that amazing singer!!HIhihi!! To me Nightwish are like the ship of Theseus the are building it on a journey changing parts keeping some but forging an identity in motion. Storms and bad emotions come in but passion and beauty are crafted in the music of Tuomas. Let's go on the ship!!
@@guimich2478 Oh yes! Perfectly said! "Creek Mary's Blood" - once, when I was talking to Anastasia, I said how much I would love to hear it live with John Two-Hawks again - I still want to!
@@marek3707 My Polish guy!! Great you are here!! I drink that one day Creek Mary's Blood would be played with many Native American instruments in a special area. I can dream!!
8:28 time to headbang 😂😂 😂😂 ed inoltre è proprio una cosa vera, io sono un tastierista dilettante e suono principalmente nightwish, delain ecc, ed é proprio vero che a volte un musicista ha una serata magica ma non solo di tecnica, ma anche di umore, di sentimenti mentre suona, ti senti davvero bene mentre suoni ed è una sensazione particolare che uno cerca di provare di nuovo la serata successiva ma non è più la stessa cosa
Sono proprio come te. Un dilettante avanzato. I miei musicisti, che sono professionisti, anche in una brutta serata possono suonare in modo apparentemente eccellente. Solo loro sanno che non è perfetto! Buon anno, amico!
Je suis comme toi. Un amateur avancé. Mes musiciens, qui sont professionnels, même au cours d’une mauvais soirée peuvent jouer de manière apparemment excellente. Seulement eux savent que ce n’est pas parfait! Bonne et heureuse année, l’ami!
I've always gotten sense of Bram Stoker in this one. I keep thinking Dracula.
The song itself? The way Marko sings it? The mood? Tell me more!
@@GuylainPrince
The imagery of some of the lyrics. There's a sense of tragedy and darkness, and corruption. Eternal shame and the sense that normal actions cannot be done, an inability. The main chorus reminds me of a scene in one of the many Dracula films, where having lost all faith he rages in his chapel before being lost to eternal night. Just a bunch of things randomly fitting together in my mind spitting out "Dracula" as an answer.
Well done! Yup! There is something of that; as I will say in the analysis. The singer talks about a path that she is about to take, and she knows perfectly well that it is not a good one for her. In pain, she ask for the right to make mistakes...
Romanticide tends to be the introduction to the heavier side of Nightwish for reactors. Now that you're analizing Once, can't wait for your reactions to The Siren and Dead Gardens, both are heavy too, but also have a dark atmosphere not very common in Nightwish (Dead Gardens in particular, is really creepy). Your impressions to these songs will be interesting.
I believe the LGS is the last one from Once album. Two songs from every album. The dead gardens is one of my latest song who loved from Once, I wrote about it in my comment.
There is a live version from Tarja in her solo career and it's wonderful live.
Dear Carlos, the choice of songs has been made by the fans, and I have only one more song to react to from the album Once : GLS. One thing I can tell you : presently, I listen to the full album, regularly. I will pay attention to the songs you pointed out!
@@GuylainPrince Great news Quylain,i am happy. Do you find interesting Once album?
Thank you for another great reaction Guylain, i`m sorry i missed it live.😔
I think the topic about the "perfect" live performance is very interesting and this is something i have thinked about many times. What makes some concerts better than others? I think it`s about many pieces that needs to fall in place at the same time. I belive all the musicians needs to feel great at the same time, the sound technicians needs to find that perfect mix where everything, instruments and vocals is perfect balanced, the air and temperature must be good, the acoustics at the venue needs to be good. But most important (atleast on rock\pop concerts) the fans have to be up for it. I think an audience that is lit, gives the artists that extra energy to find their best level.
i have actually been to some concert where the music and sound is great, but where the fans never really was 100% in on it. This have been conserts in the middle of the week, so maybe people are tired of work, school or whatever?🤷♂️
I have also been to a few concerts where everything was right and the atmosphere was fantastic. I will never forget those concerts and it still gives me goosebumps to think about it.
I think Wacken 2013 was one of those perfect nights. I have also chatted with people that was there and they confirm that this consert was amazing.
It`s an interesting topic, but i think the audience need to do their part to create these magical moments. The band and the audience needs to become one.
And then it will become a memory the band and the fans will never forget.💥
Perfect i agree with you!!!
It's exactly what I am thinking of.
Wacken festival is the greatest of all, especially the nights. Festivals always have a great audience and it's a vacation time for them.
Their ages back then was thirty something and the songs who played there,were the best of all previous albums, all well known to the audience.
It's was perfect time,a perfect night with tremendous success songs and the DVD is history, great history.
Yes I believe the audience makes always the difference with the band, they push them to go farther.
One other factor : Wacken is a festival. Many bands before and probably some after (I don't know the set list). So, NW does not rely on "personalized pyro and lightning". Nos as much as in a regular concert. Everything holds together if the musicians are "one mind and one spirit" with the crowd. It is the band and a crowd. Nothing else. This was Wacken. Perfection.
@@GuylainPrince Yes, perfection 🙂 . This show is flawless imho.
Guylain , après tant d'années d'écoute de Nightwish, J'ai trouvé un bijou ,un concert datant de 2008 .....90 minutes avec Annette ! en suisse belle qualité de son ...image moyenne .... Marco prend un rôle vraiement assumé ... Annette n'est pas la grande Diva mais '' La Gentille Fille D'a Côté '' elle a une présence magnifique ici .... que je n'avais jamais vu avant ! ruclips.net/video/fZ2O7IDTFnQ/видео.html
Quand j'arriverai à l'époque Annette, j'irai, promis!!! Mais pas avant.
Anette can hold Floors beer while she is singing.
Well, Annette can also sing things that Floor does not sign... yet! (jazz, gospel, etc.). But for NW repertoire, Floor is exceptional!
Not nice to say that, all 3 singers are amazing in their own way and Tuomas knew what fits for each of them, from songs to concert arrangement. All 3 singers are beautiful, powerful women who have contributed, and Annette did amazing on the albums Tuomas wrote during her time with them even on the Imaginaerum movie. Respect to all 3 singers, no one is perfect.
What a treat in this COVID-Shutdown. Im lookin' forward to the lyric analysis.
It will be fun. I recorded it yesterday. A bit long, but I think it is interesting.
Floors version of this song is the one that won me over and that is on my playlist, before the studio version was kind of ’skip or not’ for me depending of my mood. Marko made it better when singing with Anette.
I love Annete's version also,i saw two live version from her and she is perfect with Marco.
I started to love this song, after Annete's live version.
But Floor continue to giving this song the dynamic who needs.
But when I listen to whole album, Tarja's version is great also, it's more romantic this version to me.
Mantai : A 1,5 year back, I was sent to Romanticide to appreciate Emppu's solo and Floor's performance. I love the whole song, from everybody, of this concert. A favourite of mine.
My favorite singers of Nightwish?
#3 -Troy
#2- Marco
#1- Floor
😁
Same here.
Well, I disagree, respectfully. They have a very different role. but, it's your pick , so, good for you! You have the very best in the present time!
@@tomdog7864 Anette and Tarja are very talented at what they do. It's disrespectful to say otherwise. They have there strengths and weaknesses. Floor is just that talented.
Tarja's vibrato has a little too much warble for my taste. Best to you and Happy Holidays.
For one or two sentences : I agree with you.
for me the tarja version (studio) sounded a bit muddy and a bit gloomy
the verion with annette sounded a bit to flat and childish
and the version of floor souds virbrand full of agression and dispare and so very clear a very exeptional performence of the song
I don't agree with everything you say, but I understand it! I think you are right in pinpointing that, maybe, there was something wrong in the band at the time of Once. Come back for "Ghost Love Score" : it is obvious.
@@GuylainPrince I don't believe that they had some problems then, Just the album had so many songs and one long song who must put some outside.
They choose to put 3 out, but in some cases and especially in USA they played one more higher than hope, who Tuomas wrote for his death friend. So only two songs Tarja never performed live with NW.
She never loved Romanticide and hate this song and the dead gardens with NW but she sung later in her solo career.
So Romanticide had been singing from the next singers only in lives.
Two different versions from both, but I like both versions also.
@@GuylainPrince I guess you have already worked on the reaction and Lyrics analysis of that video too, but there are better performances of Ghost Love Score by Tarja than End of an Era. There's a concert recorded by the romanian television in Bucharest in 2004 where Ghost Love Score and other songs of End of an Era are better performed, not all, but some. The videos are good, the only problem I find is that the drums are a little over the other instruments but other than that you may find it interesting as Tarja was not sick at that concert as she was in End of an Era.
@@RitaFMachado And the lowlands who remastered this month is great performance with GLS.
I like also all the Bucharest consert, you have right!
@@RitaFMachado You're right, there are quite a few better ones than the one from End Of An Era. I found a record of GLS live from a festival (?) in Montreal in 2004. The sound quality is a bit raw, but the energy is amazing.
I really liked seeing the song with all three singers, and I had actually never seen that version with Anette so it was a pleasant first for me as well. I also very much agree with the stance that it's not very interesting to keep discussing who's the best and that it's more interesting to look at what they brought to the table.
Tarja and Anette gives us pretty much what we always expect from them in tone and style, and it's an interesting contrast. Floor is so diverse that you can't always know what to expect and she does it differently to both, but closer to Anette's version than Tarja's. Hearing the three versions really does show you a good, albeit not complete, picture of the band's evolution. I enjoy all three but it's Floor's rendition that has stayed with me as the one I'll go back to listen to.
The Wacken performance isn't just great because of Floor though, it's the entire sound of the band and, in particular, that Marko does better vocal choices and is much better mixed than in the other versions. You hear him more clearly, he sings more powerfully, and he also sings more than in the other versions. I don't think Nightwish has just changed with new band members but the long time members have also kept evolving and improving so even many older songs tends to be performed better across the board to my taste.
On the topic of Anette being very pop and jazz, I do suggest watching Nightwish perform Slow Love Slow at the Monterux Jazz Festival 2012. There you'll see a real jazz version of Anette and I dare say that none of the other singers can match her on that particular thing.
When it comes to Wacken 2013 I can only agree that it's one of those concerts that just created magic. Personally I think that the Wembley 2015 concert rivals it for the top spot of Nightwish concerts though, with the band performing excellently, having a great set list, and Floor showing even greater diversity than in Wacken. I guess that goes for Nightwish overall since they've just kept being great and improving, despite suffering multiple line up changes in key positions. So with all the great music, the great lyrics, the great band members, the great concerts, etc, I think Nightwish might be well described by "an embarrassment of riches".
Impressive contribution to the discussion. I agree with you, with one exception : Wembley. But for a very limited reason : the miking of the drums. At one point, they remove one "floor tom", a very important one in some of the songs. I missed it. But for the rest, I agree : top notch!
Wacken 2013 honestly just hit the right mix of grit and polished. Floor's vocals came through perfectly (unlike how she sounded muddled in Wembley, and she was really sick in Buenos Aires 2018), the instruments were clearly heard. The only issue - a very small one - with Wacken 2013 was that the choir background was almost inaudible but everything else was perfect. Wembley had great instruments but Floor's vocals lacked reverb (as if removed during editing), Tampere feels like there's too much 'air' into the editing and Buenos Aires is the closest to Wacken in terms of overall quality but Floor recovering from the flu meant she was not as polished, especially during the latter part of the concert (you can hear Floor stumble through the first 'the tapestry of chemistry' part during TGSOE, her concentration was obviously used up by then).
Since the final mix of Wacken is a studio decision, I would suggest to you that they felt that the live performance was the highlight. They WANTED to bring forth the musicians and singers, a less space for the pre-recordings. Something we see clearly in the GLS of Wacken as well. Be there, next Wednesday, and feel the difference!
@guylain, the Wacken 2013 version of this song is by far the best in my humble opinion, no contest. Great reaction though. 🤟🤟✌️✌️🇨🇦
It is the one you prefer, I get that! It is mine too! But I loved going back in time.
Have you looked up the Urban Dictionary definition of 'romanticide'? (Probably you have.) I can't put it better. I look forward, as always, to your analysis. I love Floor's vocal slide and her perfect match with Marko.
Impossible to beat, by anyone, from my point of view.
@@GuylainPrince Marko and Floor are a vocal match made in Heaven. May I say that? Surely together their voices are sublime.
You need to listen to their live performances preferably with Floor singing, late 2012 onwards.
On purpose, in this historical journey, I listen to the original recording, one "old" live version and one "new version". You probably noticed that the third version is Floor's in Wacken, and I react with a lot of enthusiasm!
Anette
It was nice to see her, isn't it?
@@GuylainPrince I saw Anette twice live with NW, and she rocked both times. I always liked her.
Guylain. Kiitos :)
De rien, Magga! You're welcome!
@@GuylainPrince Wish christmas song by Marko and the boys live. Raskasta Joulua - Tulkoon Joulu amazings voices :) Merry Christmas from Finland :)
I sure do wish you would look into some Floor , Nightwish 2013 till current
Next year. Alreadu in the planning. Did you see that I reacted to Floor's Wacken rendition in this video as well?
This is the album that i discovered Nightwish from. It was a huge seller in Europe for the band and really put them on the international musical map.
Funny thing is i loved the album but not this song. Again it has beautiful elements but the whole is not satisfying and it was only after going backwards and discovering their earlier albums that i realized i didn't like the new direction Tarja's voice had taken. It had become harsh and shrill on some songs like this one which may have been deliberate but left me cold.
On the other hand Emppu's guitar sound had really improved and Jukka had changed his drumming style. I love his older style but this new direction was much more interesting to my ears at least.
Anette's voice on the later two albums suits the material but i think she had trouble finding the power to compete with the music live and she felt uncomfortable being made to sing Tarja era songs apparently, which was awkward as that it what she was hired to do.
Floor on the other hand had all the elements the others lacked, stage presence, power, clarity of voice and an amazing ability to reinterpret the older songs as we see here and will see to more advantage when it comes to Ghost love score.
In my estimation this is the least good song on the Wacken set list. I especially have never liked the off kilter ending with its confusing time signatures. I ask myself every time, did Jukka lose his timing in those last few beats. But somehow they still manage to knock it out of the park and Floor raises hell on vocals. Well she does sound a bit demonic with that scream at the end.
Nope! He did not! The punch of the whole band was on the back beat, an inversion that we witnessed a few times in others and older songs. They master this, to the perfection. As for the time signature : As a ex-drummer, this is music to my ears. Some of the changes that Tarja made, I liked and others, a bit less. 50/50. But the change on voice corresponds to a change in interest in the topics of the songs, a different attitude. Tuomas and NW wanted to explore new subjects.
Pour moi ce qui rend la version de Wacken avec Floor nettement supérieure, est la magie des vocalises de Floor et Marco ensemble et le glissando en duo de la mort à la fin, qui scelle définitivement le sort des autres performances. 😉
Leurs deux voix, puissantes, et qui se marient bien, est tellement bon. Oui, difficile à égaler, par quiconque!
Best singer in Nightwish???? Easy. It's Marco :-)
I love Marko! I really do.
@@GuylainPrince he is amazing. They all are. Never has a band given me such emotions as Nightwish.
Close to be true for me too!
@@GuylainPrince from one thing to another. Not a reaction but if you want to hear a totally amazing song where Marco and Annette sing you should listen to Rest Calm. I don't think I have ever heard Annette sing so well. It's just a lyric video you can check out.
Who's the best guitar player, Emppu, Marco or Troy ;)
I think Tuomas is the best keyboard player of Nightwish.
I think they all shine in particular techniques, and they are all mature and confident enough to step back for each other to express the technique if another of them is more specialised in it.
As they have reached that maturity as a band, none of them (on any instrument or vocal) feels the need to dominate or show off - rather they each serve the song in the best way they are able. If there is ego in Nightwish, it is a group ego. They all express as much pride in the performance of each other as they do in themselves.
@@phillee2814 I think most of us agree with that. It was a joke because we were not supposed to comment on who is the best singer of Nightwish :)
@@Meine.Postma Well, yeah - although on that particular subject I would have to put in a strong word for Elize Ryd and Alissa White-Gluz. Floor, after all, had the relative luxury of 48 hours and a rehearsal to learn the setlist - they had around 48 minutes after doing a full set themselves with Kamelot, before going on stage live in front of a packed house. While they may not have killed it, they did achieve a miracle in allowing the gig to go ahead. I don't think they ever had a chance to be "the best", but their epic achievement should not go unremarked upon or forgotten - and both of them apparently made a point of learning the whole setlist of any band they opened for since then, which is probably good advice for anyone on the way up - vocalist OR instrumentalist.
It is great that we have such a rich history to share and so many variations in preference are catered for in Nightwish.
@@phillee2814 :) Well said!
Excellent! A humorous remark turned into a great discussion about the history of the band. Excellent!
Oh, there is quite a lot to go over with this one...
I will leave the interpretation of the anger and pain for the [ANALYSE], but yeah, this was one of the first truly "angry" songs that Tuomas penned ("Slaying the Dreamer" off the 4th album came close, but not quite reaching there).
An acknowledgement: I am now absolutely certain that NIGHTWISH guys were not out of their minds, or lacking in judgement, when they picked Anette to replace Tarja. Many fans gave the poor second singer hell, but she was - after watching the practice video of this extremely difficult song, I am positive - consciously picked to have a voice, personality, and "school" of interpretation as far removed from Tarja as possible. Precisely NOT to be compared; for them all to move on and to do new things. Sadly, few were the folks that "got" it. Btw, you are SO right about Anette's "forte", that would be rooted in jazz or soul music... she shows her true colors in a live rendition of "Slow, Love, Slow" - an exceptional song for NIGHTWISH and, I think, composed by Tuomas especially to gratify his singer and show her in her element. The song is not on your list (we'd need one that went 50-long), but make sure to check it out! Anette sure CAN and COULD sing, just not Classical. And when she was comfortable with the material, she was up there with the best.
Now some notes on the filmed performances... I can sense Emmpu's guitar sound is different for the studio and the practice ones, it was really "dry" and biting on the "Once" album. A tuning decision that makes the album stand out in one more way (me, I did not like that sound at first)... while the return to more "rich" sound for the 2013 version makes it a welcome difference, so we can appreciate both. Now, Emppu is a joy; the solo in "Romanticide" is one of his most accomplished if you ask me; fully aware of the fiendish tapping part he does at 26:13, the little man makes a face I noticed you notice, as if saying "ohh I'm so spent", and proceeds riffing away like nothing the matter. :))) And I cannot recount my mirth when I realized it is during the SOLO part in practice, beginning at 16:01, that the band is going on rhythm, while Emppu is innocently chugging water! xD The man is hilarious, and confident as god simultaneously! He is like, rest you guys, i am nailing that nuisance of a solo. :)))))) \m/ On a side note, when Tuomas takes a good long sip of wine during a break in the Wacken version, I often feel the urge to do the same. :) Can't watch it at work....
Eh, you will notice there was not much I wrote about the studio version, the original. Well, not much there; I just did not enjoy the song in its initial guise, and although I have learned to (in the wake of later Live feats) it still would not make my Top-20. However, Floor does with the song what she wants, and she clearly wants to bring this angry disillusioned beast to life - the one place where our Valkyrie DOES use a glissando on that final note (10 glorious seconds in company of Marco from 27:50...) it is akin to summoning all Pandemonium in a little "Let me fly you to hell" moment. That is probably the attitude the song needed - and was not registered in studio, where it kind of just... ends, the powerhouse soprano drowned by the riffs. Some say it was not a favorite of Tarja herself. I can tell.
Dear Big G, thanks for the input and insights. Love'em! I did not know Annette's background; I was just commenting on what I heard. And this is the one point where Floor could improve. You remember my reaction to "How's the Heart?" section, the "gospel style" improve she makes at one point.? Do you remember my reaction? I said it : I would like Floor to tackle this genre a bit more. She would be phenomenal - if it is possible to surpass herself. Even as a rocker, she has a "classical" approach to signing : studying the words and the melody, finding the best way to give the best of them, and reproducing night after night a well rehearsed interpretation of the song. In this, she is in a class by herself. Now, let's see a bit of freedom, something that most classical singers are not capable of.
@@GuylainPrince Dear Brother, thanks for the nice words, as ever! In fact, i ought to check Anette's musical background, I have not implied she studied jazz or something, rather that I am sure by what I have heard those are the styles of singing - more relaxed, more improvisational - that she is at home with. Recorded evidence says your assessment is pretty much spot-on. :)
Regarding Floor's "branching out", I think she did a marvelous job of it at last year's "Beste zangers" TV show that you must have received numerous heads-up notes about. I do not remember however, did you watch any of it? Our girl just went through some vocal styles that take years to master, and were until then alien to her, like it was a given. And if anything good will ever come out of this quarantine, it may be that she will record enough covers of famous songs for an album in itself! Floor already did takes on such diverse styles as Disney princess in "Let It Go", and "Alone", the emotional 80s hit from HEART... along with a couple of beautiful Dutch songs, of which I admittedly do not know the originals to compare. But the result was rewarding at minimum. :) So the day may be upon us when Floor reappears as a stylistic chameleon in addition to being a rock powerhouse and a Classical diva on any given night.
Liked your reaction Guylain, apologies for missing the live stream,
Look forward to the analysis of this song the death of romance, I am intrigued by your understanding of deeper meanings in the lyrics,
could God and the Devil be involved, I await with baited breath.
Agree about Wacken 2013 show for quality, Another concert on the Vehicle of Spirit video from Tampere, and Wembley was of high quality too in my opinion.
For Graham Douglas he asked for Anette in concert singing Romanticide, Posted below
ruclips.net/video/OiOCZm70l_Y/видео.html
Thanks for the encouragements and for the link!
Sometimes I find some small part or detail in the performance that really grabs my attention. The his time it’s Tarja’s version’s chorus when she sings “Till love do me part”. Especially word “part”. The way she sings it while all instrumentals get silent to give room for her dark and straightforward - not even singing, more like “calling”. There’s a feeling of willingness to challenge whatever is coming and a passionate promise to not fall. I may be silly tho, because of imagining too much meaning in the way one word is sung, but I can’t get enough of it.
I’m on watching the part with Annette. I do not dislike her vocals itself, but I still I have a feeling that it’s out of place. I don’t want to discredit her as the singer, it’s just that her “vibes” and “vibes” of Nightwish didn’t match.
Well, the instrumentation is there, as you describe it. So, it is open for discussion. Well done!
I like all of these singers. In my humble opinion, Tarja is absolutely the best singer of these three (technically). Annette would have made good career in ANY other band. Her presence looked energetic and I would have loved to see more of her. Although I think Floor is THE right singer for Nightwish. As You said in some earlier video, she is Storyteller, and that is what Nightwish is truly about! And her chemistry with rest of band appear to be best of three. She is like one of the guys! Earlier two were a bit off in chemistry...
People keep saying that, but fail to realize how close Tarja, Toumas, and Empu were. Floor joined the band when the boys were much older and doing less partying. The comparison is pretty irrelevant. Different circumstances.
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Technically, it could be discussed. Tarja is excellent in what she does. And this is a classical mindset : we will find the repertoire that fits your colour, your style of voice. Tuomas wrote songs that are perfect for Tarja's voice. And it shows. She is quite unique in singing them. Floor has more distance toward the songs; it is not as "personal" of a situation for her. She is very professional in singing someone else's repertoire. It would be interesting to hear Tarja singing "Floor's era" songs. We would have a better appreciation of both singers' capacities. All of this is very interesting, if done in repect. For the women involved, the singers that they are, and of each other. Exactly like you do. Thank you!
@@GuylainPrince You have good point there! I never thought about that early era songs were made for Tarja. This brings new perspective to me. I have great respect for all involved in Nightwish. Overall band has done great things! Great respect for them in helping their crew during these difficult times.
Yes Patti : I said a few times : this song fits Tarja's voice like a glove to an hand. Perfect match! They were written for her and her voice.
The thing that really strikes home here is how context affects a song, especially the feedback from an audience. I would like to compare the Annette practice video with Annette singing it in front of a crowd. I’d bet that there will be a lot more energy than we saw. The studio version is clinical, lacks (to me) the passion that you want the song to have. And Wacken... 80,000 people feeding you, it’s going to be good, but they give back so much. Exactly the right amount of passion, aggression, contempt to convey the meaning even without the words.
Oh, boy. How much better are the Human. :||: Nature. songs going to be live? Please let us be out of lockdown opn May 1st...
There is a unique quality to a studio album. There is a unique quality to a live version. The audio experience is enhanced - especially for me, an audiophile - in a very well crafted album, like those of NW. The "global dimension" of a repertoire is better experienced in a live concert. Here, the strong material is complemented by the "performer's" value. And NW are GREAT performers. Marko and Floor, especially. It is another "product", another experience. And the band excels at both!
Floor's Version at Wacke 2013 is incredible better.
It is an exceptional rendition!