I actually approve of the 120 inch range because it's basically you being able to have infinite range without you also being able to say "I Deathstrike the Necron player four tables across from me.'
Back in 4th I was at a gaming store and one table was debating the merits of firing the basilisk cannon at their friend's table since at that time it had a 120 inch range. They decided it was in their best interest to do so which started a comical argument with the other table.
If I had the resources to do so, I would have a battle with someone using my entire house's main floor as the battlefield. Space Marines take ages to advance out of my kitchen only to round the corner into a titan with 120" range. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!
The absurd ranges are, I think, just a holdover from days past. There used to be rules for official events where if you were in a team, you could fire from your table to a teammates to help them out 😂
Thats hilarious, but also some Moneybags McTitainhavers play custom games with whole, room spanning maps on the floor, so I'm sure those ridiculous ranges are for them! 😂
Currently you have to say that in terms of range you have to say that "Engine War" cannot be compared to anything that has existed before, in the lore it is described as "In engine war, more often than not, given the range and power of a Titan’s arsenal, your opponent was likely to be beyond visual acquisition anyway. Most engine fights took place at a distance of five kilometers plus. Throne help you if you got up close." And in the final battle for Orestes, the enemy engine collection received fire from Imperator's Loyal Engines from a distance of fifteen kilometers "bombarding the enemy host from distances of up to fifteen kilometers." in preparation for the tactical forces Shifting.
@@damianbouras I am also printing one. I have the prints hollowed but the points where parts connect are solid to allow drilling and pinning. I have the skeletal legs, feet and waist printed so far. Its cost me about $50 worth of resin including prints that have failed on me. I estimate its going to cost me no more than $250 including file cost. This also doesn't include paint cost because thats a lot of surface area to paint.
The idea that someone walks up to a warhound titan and hits it with a thunder hammer is really funny to me for some reason. It's like Raiden fighting the Metal Gear Ray with nothing but a sword in MG rising.
The earthshaker canon has 240 inch range. My favorite story is from my LGS. Someone declared their target on another table and the player said "go for it, I lost this match already"
I just want a plastic titan in proper 40K scale. I feel like we’re actually getting close to something like that with so many forgeworld kids becoming plastic. Seeing the cerastes night coming out in plastic makes me feel even better about this possibility. Plastic titans and plastic Thunder Hawks. These are the only things I need and I will be happy forever.
A warhound maybe, but the bigger ones I can't see coming to plastic. Apocalypse is no longer supported so the warlord would not fit in the rules well enough with standard games capped at 3k points and 2k being the realistic limit. The problem with bringing such big models to plastic is that it would be a very big investment in tooling. When you injection mould a model you want to be selling in the 1000s, ideally 10000s to make the tooling costs back. Would a thunderhawk or warlord sell in the 1000s each? I'm skeptical that they would, and if gw did it knowing they would not sell in huge numbers then the kit price would be very high (though quite a lot lower than the fw resin price! ). The new Knight will be £120, making it about the same price as full box set were when 9th dropped. It is likely that people already invested in knights will want that, though a chaos upgrade would be nice. Don't expect titan and thunderhawk in plastic anytime soon is my thinking. More likely that the fw models will just get retired when they need new moulds next (resin moulds only typically give 50 pours in a lot of cases, maybe more though).
Having an army of tanks, infantry and flyers vs another is a strategy game. Putting a single titan down is no longer a strategy game, it is a "Can you survive until the clock runs out?" scenario.
1st Titans were actually made by Armorcast under license from GW in the early-mid 90s. They had all kinds of firsts including the Reaver and Warhound as well as the Baneblade, Eldar Titans, Ork Gargants and even a bunch of the big Tyranid beasts like the Exocrine
Still the only company to ever produce a Great Gargant model. Not sure why Forgeworld (the modern one not the one which cast using the Armorcast moulds) has never done a kit for it.
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Ill probably get one because i discovered that i have a fondness for walkers. Started collecting dreds then moved up to knights. Now i want to build a beaten up war weary warhound.
I feel this. Always messed around with knights in tabletop Sim. But recently been building a army and it seems dreadnought heavy and a lot of heavy guns. I hope they refresh the devestator range or I'd take a load of em
The white dwarf that introducted invulnerable saves for temriantors in 3rd edition repeated a story of a terminator surviving being stood on by a titan to explain why they gave them an invulnerable save.
The easiest way to get more granularity in the dice rolling while not changing any of the current odds would be to switch to a D12. And it's not like GW hasn't used the D12 for 40k stuff before. There was that one version of Apocalypse where some things were rolled for with a D12 (the version that was its own rules & not 40k + more rules).
If they were going to switch from d6 they would probably do it with one of specialist games before doing it in 40k. And AoS would probably make the jump before 40k.
List I've been mulling over, but don't have anywhere near the money or time to do. Chaos Space Marines army 1X Warhound Titan 6X 20 man Cultist mob. 3X Traitor Guard squad. One Hundred and fifty guys, and 1 freaking Titan. Would it be a good list? Absolutely not. Would it be hilarious? Yes.
You can 3d print one for $60 to $80. It’s way less then $600 to $1000 with all weapon options. Find a friend with a 3d printer, and get get one. They are so much fun to paint and you don’t have to take out a second mortgage to get one.
I have to say with my main army being sisters of battle and them getting kneecapped at the start of this edition, the warhound is looking mighty tempting, although I do already have a knight errant freeblade to take alongside them. Honestly given the warhound is the same height as a stompa I really do feel that they could easily produce a plastic warhound, however I think part of the reason they don't is because they want to have titan ownership have a feeling of exclusivity, and producing a cheaper plastic kit would cut into that aspect.
That long range of the quake cannon reminds me of the 13th Crusade campaign from way back when. Was battling with my Iron Warriors in the local GW store and we got shot at by the store in the next city by one of their Deathstrike missiles! Hardly surprising, it's basically an ICBM, or close to one. I also think that in a battle report from that time they were playing on multiple tables and had the basilisk SPGs shoot from one table to the next one.
I doubt gw cares much about people 3d printing titans realistically as they have never been great sellers (hence being fw resin). They care much more about the plastic space marines as that's pretty much the entire profit margin and the funding for investment in other ranges. Investors want returns on their investments, so losing money on people printing the new tooling would not look good to Investors (new tooling is not cheap after all).
I had the pleasure of playing firefight a few weeks ago. It is a Mantic Game in SciFi setting and it actually uses D8. It was a really fun and great game and it felt less awkward as the D6 games. So i agree. GW should consider giving up on D6
D6 were originally used in warhammer fantasy as they were deemed to be much easier for people to aquire in the 80s than d20s as used by dnd, which gw was the distributor for back then. As rogue trader inherited the warhammer fantasy rules it used d6 for most things, but d20s and d100s were also used in some areas. 2nd edition just stripped all of the d20 and d100 rules out to use d6 for everything as rogue trader was much closer to warhammer fantasy role-play in some aspects.
Someone actually played Warhound titan + stuff at the Tacoma 40K tournament. They didn’t win or even come close but I’m sure they had a ton of fun. I’ll never own one because I’m not going to spend that kind of money on forgeworld resin, and I’m not going to be doing any 3d printing anytime soon either with the fumes (among other things). I looked into printing enough to say “this won’t be for me”
The thing i dont like about the titans in 40k is that they are super overhyped, they are at the point where a warhound titan is smaller then an ATAT, but they are given the tital of God machines, and it takes centuries to build one of them, i know before they made models for any titan they were larger because they wanted to be ridiculously big, but now they are just way to small to be impressive, only like the imperator titan or whatever is impressive when you remember that if a titan was put into starwars, it would fit entirely in the lore that the clone juggernaut tank can run over a God machine, the small ones need to be larger, as is the size difference between the warhound and the larger knights is ay the point where other then the lore in how it's piloted, the size between knights and titans is not that big, smaller then the size difference in knights, it just really kills the hype when every metric that you look into for titans makes them not impressive, particularly when the imperium have like 8 different titans in lore while the lucky xenos have 1 titan, the closest thing to having 2 titans is the tau with one of them being a space ship, and the supermecy armor being priced like it's a titan
I think you should reember that titans in 40k and titans in 40k tabletop are different things entirely, the tabletop variants can never be what they are in the lore.
@@Virgil-Arcanum yes, but that's the thing, a wraith knight is practically identical to the titan designs, all you really have is 3 knights with 2 being overglrofied on the count of they are so thin the big one is probably lighter then a warhound titan
I fielded a warhound against chaos a couple weeks ago, was doing great, the turbo laser annihilated all their vehicles and the mega bolter was doing fine work against their units, until they dropped 2 squads of obliterators right next to the Titan in turn 2 and they dealt 38/40 wounds, biggest of sads
“I don’t think anything can possibly contest an objective with this thing” you fool, I can have 42 OC with a unit of 20 Grots, I only need 80 Points to take that objective. Get me in there, let me at ‘em, I’m ready, the nails are biting.
Speaking of the titanic feet remember it took angron and lorgar's magic to stop from being crushed and any longer it probably would've killed them. So other units should just get one shot.
My favorite mathhammer of the episode is 120 inch range needing a 25 foot tape measurer…I think my little 12 foot hobby tape measurer should work fine…haha!!! I also like that two people are needed to handle such a large measurement. I love it!!!
The thing is Titans are insanely expensive but their quality in games is all over the place, which means that it might not be a good investment and you just burned several thousand dollars/euros. You *could* buy a Titan, but that doesn’t mean you *should* buy a Titan.
I think anyone who buys a Titan for their game effectiveness is automatically a fool. Buy a titan as the pinnacle of your hobby craft or because you love them, and never for another reasons.
Who on the face of Terra buys titans for their effectiveness in the game? Practically no-one is what I'm guessing. I certainly didn't. I did it because I love them.
So I'm guessing most of you guys have never played the old 40k apocalypse when you're supposed to put several tables together and used normal 40k models. It was pretty awesome.
We played a 100k apocalypse game where the scenario was we needed to stop abbadon. Where my full legio (5 titans in total) got to walk alongside my full knight house (18 knights). It was a blast we all joked that Abaddon was terrified and hid in a set of ruins the ENTIRE 5 rounds. The chaos players made the mistake of saying "dont worry about the titans just shoot at the objective controllers." Yeah... 2 turns of ignoring my legio and 45% of the enemy army obliterated. There isnt a joyous feeling that can describe this. Two warhounds, 1 reaver, 1 warbringer, 1 warlord walked. I agree the reaver is my favorite and most used titan and he has yet to die in an apocalypse battle.
A warlord titan should just have an ability that if you roll a 6 on hit for melee you get to roll another die and if you roll a 6 on that die you just instantly kill any model that doesn't have a vehicle tag it's wild but not unreasonable.
Currently you have to say that in terms of range you have to say that "Engine War" cannot be compared to anything that has existed before, in the lore it is described as "In engine war, more often than not, given the range and power of a Titan’s arsenal, your opponent was likely to be beyond visual acquisition anyway. Most engine fights took place at a distance of five kilometers plus. Throne help you if you got up close." And in the final battle for Orestes, the enemy engine collection received fire from Imperator's Loyal Engines from a distance of fifteen kilometers "bombarding the enemy host from distances of up to fifteen kilometers." in preparation for the tactical forces Shifting. Furthermore, any weapon is significantly too weak in the tabletop and no matter what infantry armor, it protects a maximum of the 3rd or 4th soldier in a straight line against the bolter fire of a warhound and that only because the bolter round explodes itself. Voids shields are very difficult to understand even in the lore because there are big differences even in the same pattern/type so 5 mars pattern warlords of the same year of production can have 5 different shield weak points. Which of course is always an advantage for the empire since every machine previously belonged to the empire and thus such errors or weak points in the mechanics were catalogized. Furthermore, one has to say that "wounds" are of course a balance factor. Such a Titan doesn't care whether guardsmen or tyranids or space marines are knocking on the armor. Even heavier artillery rarely gets Titan's attention, let alone the minefields. They are only a danger against heavily damaged Titan and even then usually only due to gyro damage and the associated risk of an accident, which would be a death sentence for a titan
I have a scratch build Nurgle Warlord Titan, He has only played in one game , once the realized he could hit the whole table e did not bothered to measure range him, we joked he could hit the bathroom :) He did not move the whole game , he did not need to to.
Titans worked fine in early 40k, when you had percentile armour modifications, like -12 for a plasma cannon on overcharge, armour saves for things like Terminators being on 2ds, and you had things like defence lasers on the battlefield, it only bacame difficult to balance them, when they tried to dumb the game down, by removing armour facings, templates etc, and introducing all the stratagems, which made balancing anythings points almost impossible.
back when i was playing my first imperial knight in 6th edition... or was it 7th? the warlords foot was an auto hit, small blast template with strength D. meaning it insta killed infantry and automatically blew up tanks, only dealing massive damage to other titans. but characters could do a last second dive out of the way. i miss those days... i also really dont. 6th was both amazing and terrible... when you would stomp with titans your number of attacks was how many steps you took and each attach had to line up with the feet moving across the board, ending with the model actually finishing its full move.
ONE game, NornQueenAlexis conned me into an apoc game. On a normal table. She showed me that we should have used the entire shop floor for the game instead. How? Turn 1, before I got a chance to maneuver or shoot, her Tyranid MCs were in my deployment area mauling all my infantry and guns. She was playing nids, I was playing guard. What he says about the larger titans being fire magnets... well, he's not wrong.
As for titans not being able to kick stuff really well (4+), this is actually rather realistic. Lifting a foot is by itself a real feat on a bipedal robot laden with humongous unbalanced weapons mounted on it. So for explanation you could simply assume the movement of the foot in a way that is not a walking motion is pretty slow, as compared to swinging a large melee weapon. The chance of a human sized target just running away is pretty big. The timing it would require to kick something that is actually moving is actually much harder than you would think. Compare it with an elephant, it is not the most agile animal and its feet will crush you with the sheer weight, but most certainly not kick you like a donkey or kangaroo can... So any Titan that swings an actual melee weapon in an articulated arm and hand will obviously hit the same way like a smaller person, but stomping stuff is not that easy :-) Try stomping a live mouse.
"Hey guys. Ready for our game?" "Yeah. Let's set up." Puts out teddy bear. Everyone laughs at you. "What's that for? In case you get scared?" "It's my Imperial Warlord Teddy Bear. Careful, he has claws."
I have an old Armorcast warhound titan I got from eBay and recebtly painted up. Since you don't get to see something like a titan often I decided to run it for the next crusade campaign. So far I lost most games but won against Custodes that didn't have enough anti-tank weapons. The games are quite short wich is a bonus imo. 4-5 hour games are a bit much. However the balancing is horrible wich can impede the fun.
Finally someone agrees with me on 40k arm length. Why do the arms on everything taller than a dreadnought only go to the waist? How is that practical? I hated this so much that I extended the length of my Chaos Knight Rampager by about 1.5".
urm actualy the cadian/kreig/catachan/infantry squads can beat a warlord in oc if they come with a command squad and a regimental standard in said squad it has like 35 or something like that
Actually, if you run a squad of plaguebearers, and a soilpox scriviner, that EQUALS OC 30, for the plaguebearers alone. So...they could contest it, i guess lol
I mean, a titan fist could easily miss especially if it is targeting a lone guardsman. Like, have you ever tried punching an ant? Me neither, but still I could imagine that maybe it’s less a case of missing the target and more so that maybe the target by sheer luck finds a spot between the fingers to survive in, or being such a small target it’s hard to hit directly.
Damn you, now I have the scene in Eisenhorn when he releases Cherubael to kill the Titan in the arctic in (I think) the 3rd book. Oh well, they’re worth reading again (or listening to today, while I purge the unclean on Atoma Prime).
Games workshop should release a box called chapter box where it is just a ridicules amount of something for like $1000 and they could do like different names for the different factions like the Waag for Orks or fleet for the nods
.... i just bought my first titan. Its a warbringer with full volcano cannon loadout. Im finishing up my titanicus set then starting on it. My games club does mega battles and i want him built ready for the game, not necessarily painted though
Can somebody please help me, I have been scurrying through Warhammer community and the rest of the internet and i just can’t find the new points costs anywhere, everything still says Warhound Titan at 2000 points, can someone help a fellow out and throw me a link?
If you think the neckbeards got pissed when Primaris came along just imagine the riot if all of their D6 dice are invalidated if the game moves to a D8.
Take this as a grain of salt but, 40k Titan: Unpainted, basic range of movement, have to work with resin, hard to get - 1000+$ Perfect Grade Unleased RX 78: sculpted panel line and details on both armor and inner frame, colours are there, high quality plastic, snap fit, opening hatch gimmick, Leds, high range of movement - 300+$ Gw got a long way to go
They dont have anywhere to go, they are exactly where they want to be. The titans of massively over priced for the same reason a box of 5-10 small plastic figures is 30 pounds. Greed plain and simple. The 3D printing scene absolutely needs to explode so that these comapnies realise they need to get competative with their prices
@@domino6918 agreed, at first I thought bandai was being overly greedy in terms of them dominating the gundam market but their pricing is surprisingly alot more reasonable than what gw is offering. To be charge for over 1000 bucks for something that is barely functional, basically a ng(non grade - gunpla cheapest range) in terms of motion is stupid.
Fun Fact: the sisters'index is even weaker now, as it got hit with 2 nerfs. Cuz for GW 34% winrate is too high. Meta list for sisters? 3 helverin warglaives, callidus and vindicare assassin, 2 to 3 inquisitors, and the rest is sisters, which 510 points goes only for the exorcists.
To solve your issue with out people having to go out and find D8s,D10s,,D12s which are stupid hard to find in bulk at a good price like only Dice shop online does but still... The solution is roll more dice or add fixed extra damage that add to your hits... That said imagine 40k moving to a D20 system for granularity and you still have to roll dozens of dice.... The would be both glorious and nuts.
I’m guessing the issue with the feet is that it takes co-ordination to lift a foot, stay stable, then stomp deliberately and not just take a step. That’s my narrative stretch on it, but titans are just such ridiculous models, who knows what’s going on in there?!
Now imagine if you will, the imperator titan, witch has more guns than the warlord, and is a transport. I really want an official version to exist to have my toddler sized walking cathedral being probably 40000 points on its own
I know it's not correct as far as the lore goes... but can we see a black Templar titan on here?! I think it'd be cool with the weapons covered in chains and the crosses!
I love titans. They are my favorite thing in the 40k universe, in fact. I do not understand the point of titans in mainline 40k. They belong in Epic/Adeptus Titanicus, where they originally came from. Also, I quite like the warbringer. It's significantly different than the reaver in Adeptus Titanicus. It's slower, and it's main weapon being carapace mounted is a disadvantage. Also, the reaver's carapace mount has a 360° arc of fire, which is pretty useful.
I actually approve of the 120 inch range because it's basically you being able to have infinite range without you also being able to say "I Deathstrike the Necron player four tables across from me.'
But that's part of the fun of infinate range. It's legal. But of coarse not allowed if the other table says no.
Always remember to call into your local game store and ask if a guard games is going on to death strike.
Back in 4th I was at a gaming store and one table was debating the merits of firing the basilisk cannon at their friend's table since at that time it had a 120 inch range. They decided it was in their best interest to do so which started a comical argument with the other table.
Thats actually exactly why you get that kind of range. Those types of weapons are for multi-table games, an artifact of a more civilized era.
If I had the resources to do so, I would have a battle with someone using my entire house's main floor as the battlefield. Space Marines take ages to advance out of my kitchen only to round the corner into a titan with 120" range. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!
The absurd ranges are, I think, just a holdover from days past. There used to be rules for official events where if you were in a team, you could fire from your table to a teammates to help them out 😂
Thats hilarious, but also some Moneybags McTitainhavers play custom games with whole, room spanning maps on the floor, so I'm sure those ridiculous ranges are for them! 😂
That's so cool!
Currently you have to say that in terms of range you have to say that "Engine War" cannot be compared to anything that has existed before, in the lore it is described as "In engine war, more often than not, given the
range and power of a Titan’s arsenal, your opponent was likely to be beyond visual acquisition anyway.
Most engine fights took place at a distance of five kilometers plus. Throne help you if you got up close." And in the final battle for Orestes, the enemy engine collection received fire from Imperator's Loyal Engines from a distance of fifteen kilometers "bombarding the enemy host from distances of up to fifteen kilometers." in preparation for the tactical forces Shifting.
Honestly, cool idea and makes sense.
I printed a warlord titan. Cost me about $300.00 in resin and it's very fun to use in large apocalypse battles.
Really that much?
Did you hollow out the model or did you print it in one solid piece?
Must be solid, that would be more than 1000 grams of resin
Nice
@@damianbouraswarlord is about $300 in resin, $75 for warhound. That's hollowed out in abs-like 2.0 resin.
@@damianbouras I am also printing one. I have the prints hollowed but the points where parts connect are solid to allow drilling and pinning. I have the skeletal legs, feet and waist printed so far. Its cost me about $50 worth of resin including prints that have failed on me. I estimate its going to cost me no more than $250 including file cost. This also doesn't include paint cost because thats a lot of surface area to paint.
The Amorcast Warhound Titan released in 1989. I saved up so much money and bought one when I was 10. It cost me $80 USD.
The idea that someone walks up to a warhound titan and hits it with a thunder hammer is really funny to me for some reason.
It's like Raiden fighting the Metal Gear Ray with nothing but a sword in MG rising.
Titan equivalent of a doctor with a reflex hammer.
The earthshaker canon has 240 inch range. My favorite story is from my LGS. Someone declared their target on another table and the player said "go for it, I lost this match already"
I just want a plastic titan in proper 40K scale. I feel like we’re actually getting close to something like that with so many forgeworld kids becoming plastic. Seeing the cerastes night coming out in plastic makes me feel even better about this possibility. Plastic titans and plastic Thunder Hawks. These are the only things I need and I will be happy forever.
Agreed give me a plastic Warlord and a plastic Thunderhawk.
I'll take a Thunderhawk, but I'll pass on the Titans.
well they're making plastic cerastus. I'm personally hoping plastic solar auxilia are next (plastic charonites would be soooo good)
A warhound maybe, but the bigger ones I can't see coming to plastic. Apocalypse is no longer supported so the warlord would not fit in the rules well enough with standard games capped at 3k points and 2k being the realistic limit.
The problem with bringing such big models to plastic is that it would be a very big investment in tooling. When you injection mould a model you want to be selling in the 1000s, ideally 10000s to make the tooling costs back. Would a thunderhawk or warlord sell in the 1000s each? I'm skeptical that they would, and if gw did it knowing they would not sell in huge numbers then the kit price would be very high (though quite a lot lower than the fw resin price! ). The new Knight will be £120, making it about the same price as full box set were when 9th dropped. It is likely that people already invested in knights will want that, though a chaos upgrade would be nice.
Don't expect titan and thunderhawk in plastic anytime soon is my thinking. More likely that the fw models will just get retired when they need new moulds next (resin moulds only typically give 50 pours in a lot of cases, maybe more though).
They have a warlord titan on amazon made of plastic for cheaper than a imperial knight, Your wish came true
Maybe. Titans existed in the 90s through Armourcast.
Yep.
And before that of course in epic scale of course, which is where the biggest titan has only ever been made, in 28mm scale it would dwarf the warlord.
Jay please 3D scan your dogs face and add them to your black Templar army, you could finally make a unique space marine lieutenant!
Having an army of tanks, infantry and flyers vs another is a strategy game. Putting a single titan down is no longer a strategy game, it is a "Can you survive until the clock runs out?" scenario.
1st Titans were actually made by Armorcast under license from GW in the early-mid 90s. They had all kinds of firsts including the Reaver and Warhound as well as the Baneblade, Eldar Titans, Ork Gargants and even a bunch of the big Tyranid beasts like the Exocrine
Still the only company to ever produce a Great Gargant model. Not sure why Forgeworld (the modern one not the one which cast using the Armorcast moulds) has never done a kit for it.
Spoke to other dads today, consensus was the same, just want to say your channel is one of the only ones that I let my ratlings (kiddos) watch to get into the hobby. Thanks for being wholesome AF 🤙
-Warhammer dad
Show them majorkill
Ill probably get one because i discovered that i have a fondness for walkers. Started collecting dreds then moved up to knights. Now i want to build a beaten up war weary warhound.
I feel this. Always messed around with knights in tabletop Sim. But recently been building a army and it seems dreadnought heavy and a lot of heavy guns. I hope they refresh the devestator range or I'd take a load of em
Warhounds are never war-weary. 😉
same now I have a castellan and a canis rex on the way 3 dreadnoughts so far myself
The white dwarf that introducted invulnerable saves for temriantors in 3rd edition repeated a story of a terminator surviving being stood on by a titan to explain why they gave them an invulnerable save.
Basilisk had 120” range for a long time. Deathstrike was released with UNLIMITED range if i remember correctly. 😆
The easiest way to get more granularity in the dice rolling while not changing any of the current odds would be to switch to a D12.
And it's not like GW hasn't used the D12 for 40k stuff before. There was that one version of Apocalypse where some things were rolled for with a D12 (the version that was its own rules & not 40k + more rules).
If they were going to switch from d6 they would probably do it with one of specialist games before doing it in 40k. And AoS would probably make the jump before 40k.
A warhound could be the thing I need to prop up my deathguard list 🤔.
(I know it is a terrible idea but at current state of the army, maybe not 😂)
The warhound Titan is surprisingly viable in the game rn😂 towering +overwatch+flamers+ignoring cover, it's a spicy package
love your content eons of battle,
You should make a video on the brutalis dreadnought and add it to your black templar army
I'm almost sure Jay has like 5k unpainted space marines, we will get to see a lot of that being painted
As a Templar player since 3rd edition I approve this message
List I've been mulling over, but don't have anywhere near the money or time to do.
Chaos Space Marines army
1X Warhound Titan
6X 20 man Cultist mob.
3X Traitor Guard squad.
One Hundred and fifty guys, and 1 freaking Titan.
Would it be a good list? Absolutely not. Would it be hilarious? Yes.
You can 3d print one for $60 to $80. It’s way less then $600 to $1000 with all weapon options. Find a friend with a 3d printer, and get get one. They are so much fun to paint and you don’t have to take out a second mortgage to get one.
I have to say with my main army being sisters of battle and them getting kneecapped at the start of this edition, the warhound is looking mighty tempting, although I do already have a knight errant freeblade to take alongside them. Honestly given the warhound is the same height as a stompa I really do feel that they could easily produce a plastic warhound, however I think part of the reason they don't is because they want to have titan ownership have a feeling of exclusivity, and producing a cheaper plastic kit would cut into that aspect.
Titan melee weapons in lore are only meant for engaging knights, other titans and sometimes buildings
Guardsman survives a titan stomp and kills the titan with a bayonet charge!!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!
That long range of the quake cannon reminds me of the 13th Crusade campaign from way back when. Was battling with my Iron Warriors in the local GW store and we got shot at by the store in the next city by one of their Deathstrike missiles! Hardly surprising, it's basically an ICBM, or close to one.
I also think that in a battle report from that time they were playing on multiple tables and had the basilisk SPGs shoot from one table to the next one.
this is why 3d printing has gotten even bigger. when someone can spend way less and print a titan with as many options as they want
I doubt gw cares much about people 3d printing titans realistically as they have never been great sellers (hence being fw resin). They care much more about the plastic space marines as that's pretty much the entire profit margin and the funding for investment in other ranges. Investors want returns on their investments, so losing money on people printing the new tooling would not look good to Investors (new tooling is not cheap after all).
I had the pleasure of playing firefight a few weeks ago. It is a Mantic Game in SciFi setting and it actually uses D8. It was a really fun and great game and it felt less awkward as the D6 games. So i agree. GW should consider giving up on D6
40k did used to used D20 dice set in Rouge trader, the game switched to D6 only in 2nd edition.
D6 were originally used in warhammer fantasy as they were deemed to be much easier for people to aquire in the 80s than d20s as used by dnd, which gw was the distributor for back then.
As rogue trader inherited the warhammer fantasy rules it used d6 for most things, but d20s and d100s were also used in some areas. 2nd edition just stripped all of the d20 and d100 rules out to use d6 for everything as rogue trader was much closer to warhammer fantasy role-play in some aspects.
Someone actually played Warhound titan + stuff at the Tacoma 40K tournament. They didn’t win or even come close but I’m sure they had a ton of fun.
I’ll never own one because I’m not going to spend that kind of money on forgeworld resin, and I’m not going to be doing any 3d printing anytime soon either with the fumes (among other things). I looked into printing enough to say “this won’t be for me”
In the 90's there were 3rd party guys who made 40K scale Titans. I used to run into them regularly at conventions.
The thing i dont like about the titans in 40k is that they are super overhyped, they are at the point where a warhound titan is smaller then an ATAT, but they are given the tital of God machines, and it takes centuries to build one of them, i know before they made models for any titan they were larger because they wanted to be ridiculously big, but now they are just way to small to be impressive, only like the imperator titan or whatever is impressive when you remember that if a titan was put into starwars, it would fit entirely in the lore that the clone juggernaut tank can run over a God machine, the small ones need to be larger, as is the size difference between the warhound and the larger knights is ay the point where other then the lore in how it's piloted, the size between knights and titans is not that big, smaller then the size difference in knights, it just really kills the hype when every metric that you look into for titans makes them not impressive, particularly when the imperium have like 8 different titans in lore while the lucky xenos have 1 titan, the closest thing to having 2 titans is the tau with one of them being a space ship, and the supermecy armor being priced like it's a titan
I think you should reember that titans in 40k and titans in 40k tabletop are different things entirely, the tabletop variants can never be what they are in the lore.
Eldar actually have 2. Revenant and Phantom
@@Virgil-Arcanum they are pretty much the same model when it comes to there visual desighn
@calebbarnhouse496 There is a large difference in terms of scale, with the phantom being almost as tall as a warlord
@@Virgil-Arcanum yes, but that's the thing, a wraith knight is practically identical to the titan designs, all you really have is 3 knights with 2 being overglrofied on the count of they are so thin the big one is probably lighter then a warhound titan
I fielded a warhound against chaos a couple weeks ago, was doing great, the turbo laser annihilated all their vehicles and the mega bolter was doing fine work against their units, until they dropped 2 squads of obliterators right next to the Titan in turn 2 and they dealt 38/40 wounds, biggest of sads
“I don’t think anything can possibly contest an objective with this thing” you fool, I can have 42 OC with a unit of 20 Grots, I only need 80 Points to take that objective. Get me in there, let me at ‘em, I’m ready, the nails are biting.
Speaking of the titanic feet remember it took angron and lorgar's magic to stop from being crushed and any longer it probably would've killed them. So other units should just get one shot.
My favorite mathhammer of the episode is 120 inch range needing a 25 foot tape measurer…I think my little 12 foot hobby tape measurer should work fine…haha!!! I also like that two people are needed to handle such a large measurement. I love it!!!
Titans started back in 2nd edition with the secondary market. Armorcast made them and they were great. Stupid expensive but still great.
The Reaver definitely doesn’t look like it can take as many hits as the warhound
0:26 The Warhounds existed in 40k scale since 1989, thats when I brought my first one, the Reaver was a few years later, in 1990 I believe.
I suddenly want a Plushie Titan
The thing is Titans are insanely expensive but their quality in games is all over the place, which means that it might not be a good investment and you just burned several thousand dollars/euros. You *could* buy a Titan, but that doesn’t mean you *should* buy a Titan.
I think anyone who buys a Titan for their game effectiveness is automatically a fool. Buy a titan as the pinnacle of your hobby craft or because you love them, and never for another reasons.
Who on the face of Terra buys titans for their effectiveness in the game? Practically no-one is what I'm guessing. I certainly didn't. I did it because I love them.
@@Dorsidwarf Understandable
Wait. People actually buy this stuff just for the game? And not because they just look cool?
So I'm guessing most of you guys have never played the old 40k apocalypse when you're supposed to put several tables together and used normal 40k models. It was pretty awesome.
We played a 100k apocalypse game where the scenario was we needed to stop abbadon. Where my full legio (5 titans in total) got to walk alongside my full knight house (18 knights). It was a blast we all joked that Abaddon was terrified and hid in a set of ruins the ENTIRE 5 rounds. The chaos players made the mistake of saying "dont worry about the titans just shoot at the objective controllers." Yeah... 2 turns of ignoring my legio and 45% of the enemy army obliterated. There isnt a joyous feeling that can describe this.
Two warhounds, 1 reaver, 1 warbringer, 1 warlord walked.
I agree the reaver is my favorite and most used titan and he has yet to die in an apocalypse battle.
Everyone should 3D print a Titan to add to their shelf
Exactly
Yep, I printed a reaver, a warhound and a knight porphyron they rock
@@notthistime9290 I am printing a ork controlled warhound.
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A warlord titan should just have an ability that if you roll a 6 on hit for melee you get to roll another die and if you roll a 6 on that die you just instantly kill any model that doesn't have a vehicle tag it's wild but not unreasonable.
Currently you have to say that in terms of range you have to say that "Engine War" cannot be compared to anything that has existed before, in the lore it is described as "In engine war, more often than not, given the
range and power of a Titan’s arsenal, your opponent was likely to be beyond visual acquisition anyway.
Most engine fights took place at a distance of five kilometers plus. Throne help you if you got up close." And in the final battle for Orestes, the enemy engine collection received fire from Imperator's Loyal Engines from a distance of fifteen kilometers "bombarding the enemy host from distances of up to fifteen kilometers." in preparation for the tactical forces Shifting. Furthermore, any weapon is significantly too weak in the tabletop and no matter what infantry armor, it protects a maximum of the 3rd or 4th soldier in a straight line against the bolter fire of a warhound and that only because the bolter round explodes itself.
Voids shields are very difficult to understand even in the lore because there are big differences even in the same pattern/type so 5 mars pattern warlords of the same year of production can have 5 different shield weak points. Which of course is always an advantage for the empire since every machine previously belonged to the empire and thus such errors or weak points in the mechanics were catalogized.
Furthermore, one has to say that "wounds" are of course a balance factor. Such a Titan doesn't care whether guardsmen or tyranids or space marines are knocking on the armor. Even heavier artillery rarely gets Titan's attention, let alone the minefields. They are only a danger against heavily damaged Titan and even then usually only due to gyro damage and the associated risk of an accident, which would be a death sentence for a titan
I have a scratch build Nurgle Warlord Titan, He has only played in one game , once the realized he could hit the whole table e did not bothered to measure range him, we joked he could hit the bathroom :) He did not move the whole game , he did not need to to.
Doesn’t the Warhound also get the turbolaser destructor?
You missed the turbo laser destructor 72 inch range d3 +3 +3bs strength 20 ap 3 2 d6 damage on the warhound scout titan
Titans worked fine in early 40k, when you had percentile armour modifications, like -12 for a plasma cannon on overcharge, armour saves for things like Terminators being on 2ds, and you had things like defence lasers on the battlefield, it only bacame difficult to balance them, when they tried to dumb the game down, by removing armour facings, templates etc, and introducing all the stratagems, which made balancing anythings points almost impossible.
back when i was playing my first imperial knight in 6th edition... or was it 7th? the warlords foot was an auto hit, small blast template with strength D. meaning it insta killed infantry and automatically blew up tanks, only dealing massive damage to other titans. but characters could do a last second dive out of the way. i miss those days... i also really dont. 6th was both amazing and terrible... when you would stomp with titans your number of attacks was how many steps you took and each attach had to line up with the feet moving across the board, ending with the model actually finishing its full move.
A particularly determined Knight-Gallant can one-shot a Warhound Titan. It's not guaranteed by any means but it's possible.
I'd be curious about your take on things that have Titanic like Tau Stormsurge 465, etc. or the FW Ta'unar at 790 pts
Taunar is dying for the sins of the fucking imperial knights. Chaos knights are also struggling but they usually been struggling
We played several apocalypse games which 6 4x8 tables, and have see warlord Titan crotch builds , thunder hawks and all out shenanigans
The old Reaver model is realy the best one. It looks scary as hell.
Or you 3D print a Warlord Titan for roughly 250 dollars in resin and this includes multiple weapons
ONE game, NornQueenAlexis conned me into an apoc game. On a normal table. She showed me that we should have used the entire shop floor for the game instead. How? Turn 1, before I got a chance to maneuver or shoot, her Tyranid MCs were in my deployment area mauling all my infantry and guns. She was playing nids, I was playing guard.
What he says about the larger titans being fire magnets... well, he's not wrong.
As for titans not being able to kick stuff really well (4+), this is actually rather realistic.
Lifting a foot is by itself a real feat on a bipedal robot laden with humongous unbalanced weapons mounted on it.
So for explanation you could simply assume the movement of the foot in a way that is not a walking motion is pretty slow, as compared to swinging a large melee weapon. The chance of a human sized target just running away is pretty big. The timing it would require to kick something that is actually moving is actually much harder than you would think.
Compare it with an elephant, it is not the most agile animal and its feet will crush you with the sheer weight, but most certainly not kick you like a donkey or kangaroo can...
So any Titan that swings an actual melee weapon in an articulated arm and hand will obviously hit the same way like a smaller person, but stomping stuff is not that easy :-) Try stomping a live mouse.
"Hey guys. Ready for our game?"
"Yeah. Let's set up."
Puts out teddy bear. Everyone laughs at you.
"What's that for? In case you get scared?"
"It's my Imperial Warlord Teddy Bear. Careful, he has claws."
A squad of 10 guardsmen can take an objective away from a warlord titan with an order...
I love my guard : )
If only volkite still had stats, I always wondered what the titan sized volkite guns would be like
DOG DOG DOG!
Ripper swarm vs titan who’s holding the objective
well now you can actually field a warhound titan in 40k, as it is only 1100 points now :D
so make a knight army with a Warhound titan :D
There is a story of a spacewolf on terminator armor stepped on by a titan, and he stands up and keeps pushing forward.
Thanks mate for fixing me on again 😂👌
I have an old Armorcast warhound titan I got from eBay and recebtly painted up. Since you don't get to see something like a titan often I decided to run it for the next crusade campaign.
So far I lost most games but won against Custodes that didn't have enough anti-tank weapons.
The games are quite short wich is a bonus imo. 4-5 hour games are a bit much.
However the balancing is horrible wich can impede the fun.
Finally someone agrees with me on 40k arm length. Why do the arms on everything taller than a dreadnought only go to the waist? How is that practical? I hated this so much that I extended the length of my Chaos Knight Rampager by about 1.5".
urm actualy the cadian/kreig/catachan/infantry squads can beat a warlord in oc if they come with a command squad and a regimental standard in said squad it has like 35 or something like that
Actually, if you run a squad of plaguebearers, and a soilpox scriviner, that EQUALS OC 30, for the plaguebearers alone. So...they could contest it, i guess lol
A 10man Deathwing Command Squad with an attached Ancient in Terminator Armor matchen the Warlord with 30 OC as long as they can stay unharmed 😅
I want a revenant titan for my ulthwe army... BUT I AIN'T
PAYING MY COLLEGE FUND FOR IT
I mean, a titan fist could easily miss especially if it is targeting a lone guardsman. Like, have you ever tried punching an ant? Me neither, but still I could imagine that maybe it’s less a case of missing the target and more so that maybe the target by sheer luck finds a spot between the fingers to survive in, or being such a small target it’s hard to hit directly.
Punching ants is easy. My favorite thing to do is eat them right after,
Damn you, now I have the scene in Eisenhorn when he releases Cherubael to kill the Titan in the arctic in (I think) the 3rd book. Oh well, they’re worth reading again (or listening to today, while I purge the unclean on Atoma Prime).
Games workshop should release a box called chapter box where it is just a ridicules amount of something for like $1000 and they could do like different names for the different factions like the Waag for Orks or fleet for the nods
*nids
You Bring 2 Warhounds and a Light Knight
I Bring My Warlord
We’ll See Who Wins
.... i just bought my first titan. Its a warbringer with full volcano cannon loadout. Im finishing up my titanicus set then starting on it.
My games club does mega battles and i want him built ready for the game, not necessarily painted though
Re: locking them in combat.. isn't the titanic rule that they can leave combat without penalty?
No, it was in 9th iirc but now they can't fall back and shoot anymore.
Can somebody please help me, I have been scurrying through Warhammer community and the rest of the internet and i just can’t find the new points costs anywhere, everything still says Warhound Titan at 2000 points, can someone help a fellow out and throw me a link?
Only if you print them haha
What are the small Titans? Which you can buy nowadays, scouts or reaver
If you think the neckbeards got pissed when Primaris came along just imagine the riot if all of their D6 dice are invalidated if the game moves to a D8.
Take this as a grain of salt but,
40k Titan: Unpainted, basic range of movement, have to work with resin, hard to get - 1000+$
Perfect Grade Unleased RX 78: sculpted panel line and details on both armor and inner frame, colours are there, high quality plastic, snap fit, opening hatch gimmick, Leds, high range of movement - 300+$
Gw got a long way to go
They dont have anywhere to go, they are exactly where they want to be.
The titans of massively over priced for the same reason a box of 5-10 small plastic figures is 30 pounds.
Greed plain and simple. The 3D printing scene absolutely needs to explode so that these comapnies realise they need to get competative with their prices
@@domino6918 agreed, at first I thought bandai was being overly greedy in terms of them dominating the gundam market but their pricing is surprisingly alot more reasonable than what gw is offering.
To be charge for over 1000 bucks for something that is barely functional, basically a ng(non grade - gunpla cheapest range) in terms of motion is stupid.
is nobody going to talk about how the warlord titan has 3 weapons that can one shot itself?
Fun Fact: the sisters'index is even weaker now, as it got hit with 2 nerfs. Cuz for GW 34% winrate is too high. Meta list for sisters? 3 helverin warglaives, callidus and vindicare assassin, 2 to 3 inquisitors, and the rest is sisters, which 510 points goes only for the exorcists.
To solve your issue with out people having to go out and find D8s,D10s,,D12s which are stupid hard to find in bulk at a good price like only Dice shop online does but still... The solution is roll more dice or add fixed extra damage that add to your hits... That said imagine 40k moving to a D20 system for granularity and you still have to roll dozens of dice.... The would be both glorious and nuts.
I’m guessing the issue with the feet is that it takes co-ordination to lift a foot, stay stable, then stomp deliberately and not just take a step. That’s my narrative stretch on it, but titans are just such ridiculous models, who knows what’s going on in there?!
I just wish the warhound was a bit better in combat:/ like one almost stomped angron to deathXD
It is semi funny of his obliviousness of the militarum who can basically Field a war hound by having two Baneblade variants
Oh and the basilisk
Also teeny man shock troops and add a command squad for more
That isn’t one big single model though, I could say 40 marines is ‘basically a titan’
This video is a win just for the "bug stomper" t-shirt 😉
I own a warlord and two warhound, in 28mm scales.
Now imagine if you will, the imperator titan, witch has more guns than the warlord, and is a transport. I really want an official version to exist to have my toddler sized walking cathedral being probably 40000 points on its own
I know it's not correct as far as the lore goes... but can we see a black Templar titan on here?! I think it'd be cool with the weapons covered in chains and the crosses!
I love titans. They are my favorite thing in the 40k universe, in fact. I do not understand the point of titans in mainline 40k. They belong in Epic/Adeptus Titanicus, where they originally came from.
Also, I quite like the warbringer. It's significantly different than the reaver in Adeptus Titanicus. It's slower, and it's main weapon being carapace mounted is a disadvantage. Also, the reaver's carapace mount has a 360° arc of fire, which is pretty useful.
People like big robots walking around, crushing infantry and tanks
@@blackturtlesoul7387 I like that too, which is why I'm excited they're bringing Epic back.
I am just waiting for the warmaster titan to come out.
You could probably proxy a transformer as a decent titan tbh
can some of the bigger titans blow through buildings and so on?
I kind of just want to bring a space marine action figure to a game and play him as a titan but in universe hes just radioactive
I'd like to see Titan standees in the right size
This is such a fun episode!
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