Bringing 12 centurions is actually kinda smart. almost nobody brings them to a tournament people might not know how to play against them. also if you split the devestator centurions with las cannons into squads of 3 you would be able to play the objectives even more and have them in different locations. Your choice of inferno pistols actually makes a lot of sense with kayvaan shrike giving the squad lone operative. they are unlikely to be shot and will often charge first meaning the inferno pistols are just more damage, the storm shields are great in every other case a really really cool use of them.
I don't know if splitting them for objective play is worth it. They aren't good at that anyways and it makes Strike from the Shadows and Guerrilla Tactics just worse on them.
Only four? Back before they got a codex and Necrons could put sempiternal weave on a C'tan, i used to run the "Pokémon Trainer Overlord" list. Nightbringer, Deceiver, and Void Dragon with three transcendent C'tan. One of which had the wave giving it a 4+ FNP in conjunction with its 4+ Invul. Have the overlord in a block of shield lychguard in the back and off he goes
In a game I played my opponent dropped Kayvaan Shrike in my back line feeling totally safe. I then used Typhus’ Eater Plague to snipe him from 18” away. I lost the game but it felt good have this one moment.
The Screaming Ravens did their task: they showed how surprising a sudden TWELVE CENTURION SIEGE can be. Yeah it folds to heavy armor and being out of position, but that's just par for the course with Raven Guard stuff. The fact that it held up against 4 c'tan is amazing
Hey Paul, I’m really happy you enjoyed our game so much despite my horrifying C’Tan shards! I absolutely loved that game! Your list was cool as hell & as you said, there were so many cinema moments & that’s why we play 👍 cracking video too! I’m properly chuffed to see my Necrons on your channel 🤘
I’m glad you had a great time, and I love seeing your sportsmanship! You hear so many horror stories about tournaments but you’re exactly my favorite type of 40K player
Great job going 2-1, that's way better than I ever did at my local tournaments. And wow, that techmarine is REALLY great. Such a good job on that paint job.
Great job Paul! Very excited to see you win with an, uh.. off-meta list! My game group mates dont feel confident if their army isn't some meta list. You're helping to bring out the fun in this hobby!
I would love to go to a weird tournament. I imagine nearly all of them being a sort of "power-game-off", which is more like esports and I'm just not as interested. But I guess they can be wacky as well. I would love that. Congrats on getting to go and doing so well
I think you did a great job Paul! I cant comment too hard on your tactics since I don't play 40K much, but I can at least say that your "remixed" list definitely looks better, and I'd like to see another video covering your experiences playing it another tournament. But that's only after you've gotten around to playing more AoS. Those rats and Stormcast won't finish themselves. Also, WELL DONE BROTHER! To hear you recpunt the tale of the Sixth Secret Snafu Shuffle was quite the experience! I only wish I couldve been there myself to see such a historic moment! You do your Primarch proud.
I really like the stormraven. I do think the techmarine stands out the most though and it's such a good idea to have those 3d printed bits, really well done!
Congratulations to your not bad at all tournament result. (Channel name change incomming??) Especially with an unusual homebrew list. And thanks for the entertaining report.
Holy shii... I love my centurians and am the centurian guy at the shop but not even I would field a dozen in one list! That is either the best thing ever or the most madcap!
I run a vanguard spearhead with my Ravenguard Raptor inspired chapter the Autumn Guard, so glad to hear of someone using it with success. Not sure about centurions though, but to each their own.
As someone going to their first highly competitive 40k tournament in a little over a week, your experience really lessened my worries that I'm going to end up playing a bunch of WAAC crazies vs people that want to have a great time, just with strong lists.
The other thing that's good with C'tan would be your Shrike Bomb with Melta pistols, because Meltas additional damage is applied *after* the damage is halved IIRC. It's why Sisters of Battle into Necrons was considered a poor matchup for Necrons. So if they're in Melta range, you're doing a minimum of 3 damage to them that, sure they can roll their Feel No Pain on but you're going to get at least some damage through.
My first very tournie I went to at my local store was a blast. Brought my metal flesh Hivefleet Triglav and went up against a fellow Tyranids vanguard player. First time either of us played a mirror match so it was a lot of fun. One thing I did help him with, similar to you game 2, my opponent had never looked into pyrovores. I had a 2 girls unit chilling mid board (their names are Mel and Burne....yes Melburne) and he tried rushing them with a massive swarm of gargoyles. Overwatch and instantly gone. He tried staying out of my 12" range the rest of the game, but I was forcing his hand. Mid-match I offered him some advice, told him that your blob of nids right here if he moved them I would overwatch and burn HOWEVER if he rushed me with his genestealers, I'd barely be able to kill them and my pyros would be dead. Followed thru, continued on and all that. End of match, I had no way of dealing with three units of ten genestealers, we both have winged hive tyrants that clashed and spun around in the sky in a fist fight. End of the tourine asked him how he did and he said thanks for the help with flamers cuz he went up against some Salamanders and focused fired that Infernus unit, making sure to not get in range till then.
Captain in Phobos armor and ghostweave cloak. Two 3 man centurion assault squads, one if flamers, one with melta. Two 6 man centurion devastator squads, both with lascannon and missles One Ballistus dreadnaught One Brutalis Dreadnaught TWO stormraven gunships to carry the assault squads and dreadnaughts. Thanks for the inspiration
Good on you man a fantastic fun-focused positive mindset which we need to see more of at LGS tournaments rather than the rules bitching lawyerS I've come to despise :D
Meltas into C'Tans is goo to bemuse you don't hale the melta bonus. So if its like meta 2, the exa 2 is not halved. I wrecked a C"tn with a Knight Errant (Melta 6 on the big gun) Modifiers in Rules Commentary - apply division modifiers before applying multiplication modifiers, before applying addition and then subtraction modifiers. So you roll say a 4 with melta 2, the modifiers are 1/2 (C'Taa) +2 (melta) the 1/2 is applied first so damage goes from 4 to 2, thyen add the meta next so it gets the full 2 from that
I played a game recently running Data-Psalm Conclave with 3 squads of Fulgurite Electro-Priests each led by a Dominus and all of them loaded into Duneriders on the edge of my deployment zone. My opponent was running a C'tan heavy list very reminiscent of the one you faced and on turn 2 each squad of Fulgurites piled out of the Duneriders before it moved and then charged. Each squad killed their respective C'tan because between Conqueror Imperatives, Citation in Savagery, and their surprisingly powerful weapons with Dev Wounds, they were making 30 attacks hitting on 2s. My opponent was absolutely flabbergasted, and then of course the priests have a 5+ Invul save and a 4+ Feel No Pain so his response did very little back to them. I think after that he got very flustered and lost the plot a little bit which I do not blame him for at all, nobody expects that kind of damage output from infantry vs a C'tan.
I'll comment before I start the video or read a single comment, I hope you do swell mr Paul and I look forward to be taken on a emotional journey. Edit1 5,30 in you could swap the homefield Incursors for normal Intercessors, htye got Sticky and if the opponent tries to secret mission you you can run them out of the DZ to stop it.
It’s on theme, if the enemy doesn’t understand what you’re doing they are going to make mistakes or leave something exposed because when they expect You to do something else. Very Screaming Raven.
I’m glad you enjoyed your first tournament! they are a blast, but a lot of times get a super negative stigma from the larger casual scene due to a few bad actors. I think you played well, and your list is solid. I would agree that you would want to consider maybe just 1-2 5 man squads of jump boys to go do actions so your kayvaan blob can get stuck in more. additonally, the terrain, while fun and flavorful, definitely isn’t as balanced as the official GW layouts. this isn’t a bad thing! but you described a few scinarios where it worked against the players, so keep that in mind when analyzing these games. the tournament layouts are boring, but are balanced and were official releases for a reason. hope to see more battle reports from you!
Interesting report! All of your games seemed to use not enough terrain though? Looking at the one vs the necrons and there is barely anything to really block line of sight? I feel that helps shooting armies too much. Also, are the dimensions of the playing field right? Shouldn't the sides have more of a difference in length?
I played a game against a buddy other week at our LGS. He brought a standard grey knights list, I brought a Hypercrypt list with 3 C’tan, a doomsday ark, a monolith, and a doomstalker for good measure. I came in off a 5 game losing streak and watching my void dragon solo two dread knights in as many turns felt incredible The other guys at the LGS said I was a bad person….
Cool video. Was wondering where u got the hammer on the jumpack guy? At 2.54 in the video. Is there a special place i can buy one i think it looks really cool.
You’ve inspired me to make my own raven guard inspired successor chapter it’s even gonna be called the red ravens or the blue ravens I think red raven sounds better the only way you know that they have been there is the fact that there’s a lot of red and dead whatever
Your first game the models of your opponent look really nice. Seeing his deployment I kinda knew he was done turn one. If your terrain in deployment sucks don’t force yourself to deploy everything. Double dorns can be a menace if you rapid ingress one turn 2. Mechanized infantry cannot do funnels. Very textbook w and you used real world strategy to win too. That’s soldiering.
If I start a primaris era marine army... might have to invest in centurions. (Sorry Christian!) I won't though, since they'll probably go to legends the second I buy them, and we need Paul's winstreak to continue!
something else to consider (i believe this was clarified this in an FAQ at some point), i think GW has specified that damage modifiers follow PEMDAS as far as sequencing goes, meaning that those vanvets' inferno pistols could've potentially shredded (lol) those c'tan. the d3 damage would've been halved, but the +2 damage for being in melta range would not, meaning each successful hit would've dealt 3-4 damage to those bad boys
on a similar note to the point at the end of the video, i played a tournament game once against "the magnificent 7:" the 4 c'tan, a monolith, a giant necron walker, and a lone royal warden. it sounds absolutely terrifying to play against (and it was, lol), but my opponent was fantastic all the way through and i had a great time with that game. might be my favorite game played in recent memory
Heard you had an amazing Techmarine
Love the paint job!
10/10 paint job for the tech marine
I saw him. He really stood out among the entire army.
You are an inspiration (and great concern) to us all
I WILL make centurions relevant!
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff "Gretchen, stop trying to make Centurions happen! It's not going to happen!"
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Ce*****ons.
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Do you hope or dread primaris centurions? 'Cause they're still technically firstborn models.
That Techmarine looks great!
The centurions are funny and have the element of surprise. No one expects them.
Bringing 12 centurions is actually kinda smart. almost nobody brings them to a tournament people might not know how to play against them. also if you split the devestator centurions with las cannons into squads of 3 you would be able to play the objectives even more and have them in different locations. Your choice of inferno pistols actually makes a lot of sense with kayvaan shrike giving the squad lone operative. they are unlikely to be shot and will often charge first meaning the inferno pistols are just more damage, the storm shields are great in every other case a really really cool use of them.
I don't know if splitting them for objective play is worth it. They aren't good at that anyways and it makes Strike from the Shadows and Guerrilla Tactics just worse on them.
@@torysaccount5753 you are splitting them so they have to split fire and they can shoot 2 different targets if you want to
Four C'tan? The mans a monster!
As a necron player: yuck.
man, wait till you get hit with the 6 C'tan list lol
@@thefermion_ 6? Now that is a war crime
Only four? Back before they got a codex and Necrons could put sempiternal weave on a C'tan, i used to run the "Pokémon Trainer Overlord" list. Nightbringer, Deceiver, and Void Dragon with three transcendent C'tan. One of which had the wave giving it a 4+ FNP in conjunction with its 4+ Invul.
Have the overlord in a block of shield lychguard in the back and off he goes
@@imotekh6110 yeah nothing good to brag about pal
A new Paul video? Sweet, time to feel guilty for not painting in 2 months
I haven't painted since doing stuff for this tournament lmao don't feel bad
That techmarine looks amazing
Really like the drawn over photos explaining the game, really enjoyable to follow and great detail. Keep it up!
Your techmarine looks great!
Glad you enjoyed it 🎉🎉
Love it Paul! actually looking to get back into the hobby after a decade away and your videos have really inspired me!
Had to go back and look, love the Jump Captain with the DW Thunder Hammer
Paul vs banana man, a battle for the ages
In a game I played my opponent dropped Kayvaan Shrike in my back line feeling totally safe. I then used Typhus’ Eater Plague to snipe him from 18” away. I lost the game but it felt good have this one moment.
That's good intel for if I ever play against a Typhus
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff I'm looking out for you.
The Screaming Ravens did their task: they showed how surprising a sudden TWELVE CENTURION SIEGE can be. Yeah it folds to heavy armor and being out of position, but that's just par for the course with Raven Guard stuff.
The fact that it held up against 4 c'tan is amazing
Hey Paul, I’m really happy you enjoyed our game so much despite my horrifying C’Tan shards! I absolutely loved that game! Your list was cool as hell & as you said, there were so many cinema moments & that’s why we play 👍 cracking video too! I’m properly chuffed to see my Necrons on your channel 🤘
I’m glad you had a great time, and I love seeing your sportsmanship! You hear so many horror stories about tournaments but you’re exactly my favorite type of 40K player
Raven Guard, I love it. I mean Screaming Ravens! would love to see and hear more about them
Ravin' Ravens!
Congrats Paul! That was a great video and great matches to hone your list. I've enjoyed watching the Screaming Ravens journey.
Great job going 2-1, that's way better than I ever did at my local tournaments. And wow, that techmarine is REALLY great. Such a good job on that paint job.
Great job Paul! Very excited to see you win with an, uh.. off-meta list!
My game group mates dont feel confident if their army isn't some meta list. You're helping to bring out the fun in this hobby!
As a gaurd player I’m going to go get another dorn
Centurions go brrrrrrrrrt.
thank you for doing them justice
I would love to go to a weird tournament. I imagine nearly all of them being a sort of "power-game-off", which is more like esports and I'm just not as interested. But I guess they can be wacky as well. I would love that. Congrats on getting to go and doing so well
That game 1 terrain layout is really something… a lot of armies would really struggle there.
I think you did a great job Paul! I cant comment too hard on your tactics since I don't play 40K much, but I can at least say that your "remixed" list definitely looks better, and I'd like to see another video covering your experiences playing it another tournament.
But that's only after you've gotten around to playing more AoS. Those rats and Stormcast won't finish themselves.
Also, WELL DONE BROTHER! To hear you recpunt the tale of the Sixth Secret Snafu Shuffle was quite the experience! I only wish I couldve been there myself to see such a historic moment! You do your Primarch proud.
I really like the stormraven. I do think the techmarine stands out the most though and it's such a good idea to have those 3d printed bits, really well done!
I love your list
It's so unique and definitely has to be one of the coolest list I've seen someone to use competitively
Looks like a great tournament. Non standard terrain layouts and some cool themed lists. I have enjoyed your videos about the tournament, thanks.
I just saw this and I’m glad too hear about this guy again
So glad that someone shares my (correct)opinion that centurions are cool af.
Well done!
I'm not sure if you get enough credit for your choice of background music - I LOVE IT, SO MUCH!
Congratulations to your not bad at all tournament result. (Channel name change incomming??) Especially with an unusual homebrew list.
And thanks for the entertaining report.
How to solve the problem? Centurions! It didn't work? Use more Centurions!
I really love your style. :D
It's lovely to hear that your Uber-Chonker worked well and put the fear of god in the Tanks.
Thanks for letting us share in your glorious victory!
Holy shii... I love my centurians and am the centurian guy at the shop but not even I would field a dozen in one list! That is either the best thing ever or the most madcap!
The worst part is the second list at the end showed 15 centurions, thats soo many
I run a vanguard spearhead with my Ravenguard Raptor inspired chapter the Autumn Guard, so glad to hear of someone using it with success. Not sure about centurions though, but to each their own.
This was awesome! Do more tounaments good breakdown
Very nice video. Don't think I didn't hear that Golden Sun battle music! Great choice
As someone going to their first highly competitive 40k tournament in a little over a week, your experience really lessened my worries that I'm going to end up playing a bunch of WAAC crazies vs people that want to have a great time, just with strong lists.
Love that techmarine
The other thing that's good with C'tan would be your Shrike Bomb with Melta pistols, because Meltas additional damage is applied *after* the damage is halved IIRC. It's why Sisters of Battle into Necrons was considered a poor matchup for Necrons. So if they're in Melta range, you're doing a minimum of 3 damage to them that, sure they can roll their Feel No Pain on but you're going to get at least some damage through.
POSITIVE AFFIRMATION
as per the final chapter's instructions.
Also, you did great. :3
Glorious news! Glad to hear you had fun!
The techmarine was the best painted model Paul, how does that make you feel?
Paul is humble at stuff
My first very tournie I went to at my local store was a blast. Brought my metal flesh Hivefleet Triglav and went up against a fellow Tyranids vanguard player. First time either of us played a mirror match so it was a lot of fun. One thing I did help him with, similar to you game 2, my opponent had never looked into pyrovores. I had a 2 girls unit chilling mid board (their names are Mel and Burne....yes Melburne) and he tried rushing them with a massive swarm of gargoyles. Overwatch and instantly gone. He tried staying out of my 12" range the rest of the game, but I was forcing his hand. Mid-match I offered him some advice, told him that your blob of nids right here if he moved them I would overwatch and burn HOWEVER if he rushed me with his genestealers, I'd barely be able to kill them and my pyros would be dead. Followed thru, continued on and all that.
End of match, I had no way of dealing with three units of ten genestealers, we both have winged hive tyrants that clashed and spun around in the sky in a fist fight. End of the tourine asked him how he did and he said thanks for the help with flamers cuz he went up against some Salamanders and focused fired that Infernus unit, making sure to not get in range till then.
this was a brilliant watch, makes me consider going to a tournament with my tau army im building,
That tech marine paint job is inspirational.
This list is actually quite solid!
Sounds like you had a great time, well done!
I love these type of lists
The phobes lieutenant is such a cool and well excuted idea for this army. And looks cool
Are you using the Golden Sun battle music when you talk about the C' Tan? Dude mad props for using that music!
Love that inverted color marine, love gimic models.
Loved the video :) you are slowly converting me to the centurion hype train...
Captain in Phobos armor and ghostweave cloak.
Two 3 man centurion assault squads, one if flamers, one with melta.
Two 6 man centurion devastator squads, both with lascannon and missles
One Ballistus dreadnaught
One Brutalis Dreadnaught
TWO stormraven gunships to carry the assault squads and dreadnaughts.
Thanks for the inspiration
I have a very similar list, but i use eradicators with apothecary. good job on the wins!
Good on you man a fantastic fun-focused positive mindset which we need to see more of at LGS tournaments rather than the rules bitching lawyerS I've come to despise :D
Really like your style of videos 👍
Meltas into C'Tans is goo to bemuse you don't hale the melta bonus. So if its like meta 2, the exa 2 is not halved. I wrecked a C"tn with a Knight Errant (Melta 6 on the big gun)
Modifiers in Rules Commentary - apply division modifiers before applying multiplication modifiers, before applying addition and then subtraction modifiers. So you roll say a 4 with melta 2, the modifiers are 1/2 (C'Taa) +2 (melta) the 1/2 is applied first so damage goes from 4 to 2, thyen add the meta next so it gets the full 2 from that
good video very much enjoyed also screw smug steve how dare he be so smug
3:25 Oh god its spreading.
I played a game recently running Data-Psalm Conclave with 3 squads of Fulgurite Electro-Priests each led by a Dominus and all of them loaded into Duneriders on the edge of my deployment zone. My opponent was running a C'tan heavy list very reminiscent of the one you faced and on turn 2 each squad of Fulgurites piled out of the Duneriders before it moved and then charged. Each squad killed their respective C'tan because between Conqueror Imperatives, Citation in Savagery, and their surprisingly powerful weapons with Dev Wounds, they were making 30 attacks hitting on 2s. My opponent was absolutely flabbergasted, and then of course the priests have a 5+ Invul save and a 4+ Feel No Pain so his response did very little back to them. I think after that he got very flustered and lost the plot a little bit which I do not blame him for at all, nobody expects that kind of damage output from infantry vs a C'tan.
Been waiting for this one🙏🏼
how i see it is. i won't tell people good moves, but i will help them optimize/argue favourably on a move when it's made.
Paul… the voices are back… they say congrats! 🥳🥳
But also… why stop at just 12 centurions?
The voices are happy u listened Paul and crafted the Screamier Ravens
But… what about the Screamiest Ravens? :)
That is a fun list.
I'll comment before I start the video or read a single comment, I hope you do swell mr Paul and I look forward to be taken on a emotional journey.
Edit1 5,30 in you could swap the homefield Incursors for normal Intercessors, htye got Sticky and if the opponent tries to secret mission you you can run them out of the DZ to stop it.
Your Techmarine is so cool
ah yes the shards of ancient star gods are scary
It’s on theme, if the enemy doesn’t understand what you’re doing they are going to make mistakes or leave something exposed because when they expect You to do something else. Very Screaming Raven.
I’m glad you enjoyed your first tournament! they are a blast, but a lot of times get a super negative stigma from the larger casual scene due to a few bad actors. I think you played well, and your list is solid. I would agree that you would want to consider maybe just 1-2 5 man squads of jump boys to go do actions so your kayvaan blob can get stuck in more.
additonally, the terrain, while fun and flavorful, definitely isn’t as balanced as the official GW layouts. this isn’t a bad thing! but you described a few scinarios where it worked against the players, so keep that in mind when analyzing these games. the tournament layouts are boring, but are balanced and were official releases for a reason.
hope to see more battle reports from you!
Interesting report! All of your games seemed to use not enough terrain though? Looking at the one vs the necrons and there is barely anything to really block line of sight? I feel that helps shooting armies too much. Also, are the dimensions of the playing field right? Shouldn't the sides have more of a difference in length?
Centurions are man and machine, power extreme.
Tbh you could try splashing in an apothecary in place of that smash captain to buff you centurions. Might be something to look into
I am glad you had fun ... but the 3 Dorn list, and the 4 C'tan list is why I quit playing 40k.
I played a game against a buddy other week at our LGS. He brought a standard grey knights list, I brought a Hypercrypt list with 3 C’tan, a doomsday ark, a monolith, and a doomstalker for good measure. I came in off a 5 game losing streak and watching my void dragon solo two dread knights in as many turns felt incredible
The other guys at the LGS said I was a bad person….
I really like fun and unique lists! Would 10/10 play against you and have fun. I’m sick of meta lists and just want to play what I think is cool.
My man had a plan and the Emperor approved.
Im going to have to come back. I need to go make a list.
12:07 I had a simmilar game last week.
But I was playing world eaters so marching bombs up the board made things easier
Cool video. Was wondering where u got the hammer on the jumpack guy? At 2.54 in the video. Is there a special place i can buy one i think it looks really cool.
It's from the deathwatch veterans box
@PaulIsBadAtStuff i found it thank you so much.
You’ve inspired me to make my own raven guard inspired successor chapter it’s even gonna be called the red ravens or the blue ravens I think red raven sounds better the only way you know that they have been there is the fact that there’s a lot of red and dead whatever
Red means blood and also the fact they leave a giant red raven symbol on a wall
I use centurion as body guards for my ballistus dreadnought to fend off deep strikes
You should make a second channel called "Paul is good at stuff"
The Lord Solar on a four wheeler, lmao.
the messenger soundtrack??? subbed!
Taking my raven guard army into my first match in a couple days! Wish me luck haha 😅
4 C'tan is the 40k equivalent of the Heresy player with 6 dreadnoughts in his army
I wanna get my hands on some centurions now
Your first game the models of your opponent look really nice. Seeing his deployment I kinda knew he was done turn one.
If your terrain in deployment sucks don’t force yourself to deploy everything.
Double dorns can be a menace if you rapid ingress one turn 2.
Mechanized infantry cannot do funnels. Very textbook w and you used real world strategy to win too. That’s soldiering.
I foresee a spike in Centurion sales on the horizon
Paul has accidentally shifted the meta and now every Space Marines player will be spamming Centurions
making me want to play my marines, not gonna lie.
If I start a primaris era marine army... might have to invest in centurions. (Sorry Christian!) I won't though, since they'll probably go to legends the second I buy them, and we need Paul's winstreak to continue!
something else to consider (i believe this was clarified this in an FAQ at some point), i think GW has specified that damage modifiers follow PEMDAS as far as sequencing goes, meaning that those vanvets' inferno pistols could've potentially shredded (lol) those c'tan. the d3 damage would've been halved, but the +2 damage for being in melta range would not, meaning each successful hit would've dealt 3-4 damage to those bad boys
on a similar note to the point at the end of the video, i played a tournament game once against "the magnificent 7:" the 4 c'tan, a monolith, a giant necron walker, and a lone royal warden. it sounds absolutely terrifying to play against (and it was, lol), but my opponent was fantastic all the way through and i had a great time with that game. might be my favorite game played in recent memory
The only issue with that is they are S9 weapons. So odds are you won't be able to wound them that easily.
Looks like I need more Centurions and a Storm Raven