@thomas rinerI cannot argue that. Actually awesome is not powerful enough word for our great Lord and Savior, words could never describe the magnificence of The Creator of everything.
One thing is missing in many of the comments about Johnson ducking Langford and supposedly being oddly racist himself in defending his title. It was probably not a racial issue at all so much as a purely economic one. There would have been little money in defending against black men like Jeanette, McVey, Langford, Martin, Childs etc. Johnson had defeated all (Jeanette and McVey any times). Who would pay to see him do so yet again? The paying public certainly clamored to see Johnson dethroned, but in losing to another black man they would only be back in square one again. Why pay to see a fight which would not solve the racial situation? These aforementioned black contenders were probably the best in the sport at the time, but Johnson had already proven himself (at least to himself) against them. Admittedly, they were all still dangerous, so why risk the title with nothing to prove and even less to gain? As a side note the white fighters of that era were not as 100% racially discriminatory as is now commonly believed. They did fight black opponents from time to time. They had no problem fighting ones who they thought they could beat. The only ones that they had any scruples fighting were GOOD black fighters. Remember, Burns avoided Johnson as long as he could, but here the money may have made it worth it. So it appears that Johnson also enforced the color line as champ, as his white predecessors did. And for the same reasons. More profitable and less risky all around.
Johnson actually did fight Sam Langford in 1906 and won by decision in the 15th round. So it's hard to imagine that the color line was the reason he didn't allow a rematch. It's more likely the risk outweighed the reward, like you mentioned.
Mcvey was fresh out his teens fighting johnson, sam had little heavyweight experience, and jenneate was young as well. Those three where without a doubt better and the most deserving challengers of a shot. Johnson declined mcvey in paris then boxed battling jim the same month. The money fell through for johnson to fight mcvey then the winner defend against sam in Australia because they(general public) wanted a white champion. Jess willard only got his shot after sam licked the guy ahead of him and still didnt get a shot. Yes Johnson avoided the top 3 black heavyweights. No he did not draw the color line as battling jim was black. He declined more money for a mcvey defense, a mcvey now in his mid 20s and more seasoned. Yes the world was so racist at the time it made it VERY easy for johnson to decline hard fights and say "if I might lose I might as well get the most out of it".
@@LadyFairChildVideo except he didn't. He fought jim Johnson in paris and signed to fight Langford and mcvey again in Australia. He never drew the color line unlike dempsey who told the ny times thats exactly what he was doing. Unlike jess who refused to defend against mcvey but fought the smaller moran who jack also beat
That Flynn was an animal, pretty ferocious but resorting to butting because he was frustrated and outclassed was so low, I lost count how many times he used his head. Johnson was on another level though and could change gear at any point when he felt the need, total control.
Really nice how they stopped the fight because that guy was totally cheating and this guy was just making a fool of himself so they realize that and just came to stop the fight what a way to go
So long ago.These fights which is historical is well preserved in films and that fight took place more than a hundred years ago to date.Those were the early years of the last century and a few years away to World War One.
Total frustration by Flynn. I don't condone the head butts, but Johnson was holding excessively. He should have been warned for holding. Johnson didn't seem to interested in fighting.
Looks like Flynn butted him out of frustration because all Johnson did was tie him up. Johnson was smart, any film I saw was hit and hold, hit and hold. Flynn couldn’t get his arms free so he tried another way. These were tough guys.
There were some nasty punches exchanged in the clinch. Johnson did a lot of work in the clinch even though Flynn was always coming in and initiating it. If Flynn is going to relentlessly push his way inside he should have been prepared for all the holding and dirty work that comes along with it. The ref was letting them fight inside and not breaking it up quickly so Flynn should have adjusted and been more vicious with punches instead of his head. I thought this was to Flynn's advantage but Johnson had too much control during any exchange. I thought Flynn had good defense; he got his hands up high and blocked shots and he consistently got inside on Johnson. The only problem is Flynn didn't actually box much in this fight; he didn't work his punches or set anything up. Flynn needed to do some things on the way to getting inside on Johnson, especially because Johnson was doing those extra things, like jabbing. In the end, Flynn was too predictable here, but he certainly was a tank.
Today , that fight would have been stopped in the 2nd or 3 rd round .Johnson was the much cleaner fighter , did Flynn really headbutt him or was seeing it wrong ?
Concerning holding. The rules were different then . Also, what can you do against an aponent who smothers you like Flynn? Also, the hands were always a problem. So fighters were carefull not to land punches on top of t he head. Also the fight was potentially 40 or more rounds. So you had to conserve energy.
And to one further, there's a reason why Black fighters were not allowed to challenge for the hvywt crown. It was the Holy Grail of all titles. There were other Black hvy wts just as good & arguably maybe better than Johnson at the time who never got the opportunity BECAUSE of their submissive lack of "personality".
Jack had already fought Flynn and knocked him out. Wow They forgot to put the quit in this guy. Flynn is obviously a devil for punsihment or very brave bc he is half the size of Johnson. Flynn is fighting dirty bc he is frustrated by JJ's great defense. But this is an example JJ's and his promoters genius. He was often in the ring with men half his size and or a old and rusty Jim Jeffries. The white audiences went crazy when Jack manhandled his smaller opponents. But these fights sold tremendously. My understanding is (please correct me if I am wrong) that Jack Johnson was wealthly to his dying day in the 1940's bc of the money he made while champion.
And the betting was crazy. All the whites would bet magnificent sums on the white fighter, while blacks would put all their money on Johnson. So Johnson won huge payouts for African-Americans while all the whites lost their wallets. But this is never brought up in the documentaries.
If you truly follow the sport, you'd know that the heavyweight title was "hands off" for Black contenders during that era. it was looked at as White America's coveted title. I'm no stranger to what Johnson did or didn't do during his tenure as champ but let's face it: What kind of shot would Joe Louis have had if Johnson didn't open the door for every other future hvywt champ of color? Try a little objectivity, pal. Cheers.
@1saxonwolf It was a style of "holding", pal. And Corbett's style of excessive holding is well documented. Haha, "Black America"? Are you referring to me? Not even close to being Black. But of you were offended by my use of the term "White America", it was referenced to the era of the early 1900's. Unless of course, you feel compelled to protect the integrity of White America from that era. Johnson was at a different skill level,Flynn's only option was to butt & shout racial epitaphs
@1saxonwolf My comment regarding "White America" OF THE 1900'S and Corbett's holding was absolutely true. What's racist about stating a documented historical fact? When Corbett held excessively (and there is documented proof) White America of that era had no problems. When Johnson did it, they went loopy. Double standard motivated by ignorant racial hatred at the time? Of course. So what's the problem with my post?
Objective? Unbiased? You put more effort in discredting him than giving him any praise. You, my friend, represent the minority in that department. Love him or hate him, the man was good for Boxing. Joe Louis distanced himself from Johnson at the order of his own management staff. Afraid to muddy the waters, they had the proverbial "thumb print" on Louis's forehead. Louis was a quality human being who, in the end, paid dearly for being a quality human being, compliments of the US gov't.
The Fed is a private bank of issue fraud that is not federal...The IRS is an extortion racket and they are both private agencies owned by Zionists and freemasons...To gut America ...which they have almost succeeded...Louis needed to investigate who was stealing his money and never did...If he'd of read a book in 1950 called "Secrets of the federal reserve" ....He'd have been better off knowing what and who his enemy was...
@jperez9805 Who said anything about a "style" of holding ? You never saw Corbett "hold" like this. Not surprisingly, "black America" is bringing race into a discussion, again. Johnson really showed his "different" skill level didn't he ?
He was challenged. When mw Langford went up to hw, Johnson denied him a shot. Langford wasnt the only one either. Johnsons best wins were aganist mw Langford and Ketchell, and post-exile/past-prime-hw-Jefferies.
You think those were his best wins? Then you know little about the great Jack Johnson. He actually fought Langford at heavyweight 5 times. The difference is it was when Johnson was the colored heavyweight champion and he defended that title 17 times, only surrendering it when he challenged Tommy Burns for the title in 1908. There’s a lot of history in there before he even win the title.
@@DavidJsmith-dk5tf right the public would have never gone for all balck title fight ,IT wasnt so much jack being racist he was still operating inside of a white mans racist system!
@jperez9805 Your case ?? You didn't make one. Your original comments were flagged as spam because they seem racially tinted. If thats not the motivation why make the statements ? Stick to boxing comments, "pal".
Louis distanced himself because of Johnons's constant public critizism of Louis. "He can't fight. His footwork is all wrong." I would have beaten him easily. Louis comment was "Get that black cat out of my camp before I throw him out. I respect Johnson as a fighter. A great champion in his era and a pioneer. I refuse to put him on a pedestal or hero as an individual. He was not. Think Langford, Wills, Jeanette, Mcvea would call him a hero?
Corbett to my knowledge was not a holder. Nor does the existing film of him suggest that. I am of the belief Johnson's peronsality had a lot to do with the attitude the public directed to him. Example, Joe Gans was a black champion was highly respected in America. The newspapers raved at his skill and genius. Interestingly enough he too was married to a white woman. So why the double standard? Guess racism begins at 170'bs plus.
"A style of holding", pal, like I said u never saw Corbett "hold" anywhere near what this vid shows JJ doing. U mean holding like Ali ?, now I get it. If your referring to clinching as part of boxing then your mistaken as this is holding/stalling which can get u penalized. JJ doesn't show his "different skill level" here, just excessively tying Flynn up. I am offended by u bringing race into it. Why bring it up ?
@jperez9805 Originally I commented JJ's excessive holding, plain to see. U responded it was same as Corbett's,"Not surprising White America never had a problem with Corbetts xs holding" etc. There's no slant with that comment ? Should I assume u were assuming I represent White America ? U were speaking to me, correct ? Now u comment on racist Corbett. R u sure about your intentions ? Watch Corbett/Fitz, u won't see this stalling. FYI, I rate JJ as arguably the best ever. I'm done.
Johnson refused to fight Sam Langford a second time when he had the world title even though he was offered more than one large purse. Hypocritical of him after complaining about Burns giving him a shot. In his prime, Langford likely would've knocked him out.
The Shadow johnson did fight langford once in a non title fight, jack won it had sam down ref gave long count helping sam to get up, jack won it clearly on points decision. i think it that era at start of movie cameras jack let alot fighters go a fair way in fights to make it look good for boxing! he was a true great not many could have lived with johnson when he was up for turning it on, johnson technically had it all,,
Johnson fought middleweights and light heavyweights for the most part. The few guys his own size were hand-picked because he knew he could whip them. He was the best of a poor lot, except for a prime Sam Langford, not the middleweight he fought in 1906, but the Boston Bonecrusher of 1908 onward. Johnson ducked him because he wanted to be the only black heavyweight champion in history. Same reason he disparaged Joe Louis.
I guess Jackson Johnson himself objected to the black contenders lack of personality as he refused to fight them for the title as well. (except to the 2nd rate Jim Johnson who held Jack to a draw). How racist of him to draw the color line no? I guess racisim at least in boxing back in those days started at 170 lbs.
I am objective. In terms of your reference to the great Joe Louis he owed nothing to Johnson. If you are a true follower of Johnson you should know he dispised him to the point of banning hin from his camp. I more pertinent question would be what did johnson's behavior as champion do for the title shot of Harry Wills or Sam Langford? Johhnson was in a postion to open the door for black boxers. His arrogance in my opinion set back black fighters heavyweight title dreams back for decades.
What because he didnt bow down to the white man , as. Alli said louis was a uncle tom louis was good but could be dropped by a right hook as he was sometimes johnsone wore 3 oz gloves
Rules were different back then. Holding and infighting were acceptable. Notice boxers from that era didn't dance around the ring, they stood toe to toe and threw punches at each other.
Here we go. JJ fighting a middleweight. And the guy is hanging tough. How can this guy be hearalded as a great fighter when good middleweights fought him so tough? None of his fights, if he was so great should have gone more than 1 round. Just saying. The great JJ if he was Flynn would have never gone 9 rounds with the guy,never.
Light-Heavy weight, which was pretty much the norm back then. Jack Johnson started out as a Light Heavyweight and fought guys much larger than himself for the first half of his career (Denver Ed Martin, Hank Griffin, Joe Choynski, Klondyke Haynes, Marvin Hart was same size).
You've got to remember that fights in those days were often scheduled for 45 rounds. They had to box at a slower pace if they were going to go that far. Also training methods and nutrition today are far in advance of what they were then.
Sam Sum If you're gonna bring him back from the dead&give him modern training, he wouldn't be the old Jack Johnson anymore, his style wouldn't be the same, you'd have him in name only. He drank,smoked cigars& was sporadic in training...may as well give him a light saber or cool super power too. Haha
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This is absolutely awesome. Vintage footage of great fights of yesteryear. Thanks for posting. maurice
@thomas rinerI cannot argue that. Actually awesome is not powerful enough word for our great Lord and Savior, words could never describe the magnificence of The Creator of everything.
Thanks that you posting it. jACK JOHSON IS MY Fav boxer.
For me, the main thing was Johnson ALWAYS entered the ring at his own peril.
One thing is missing in many of the comments about Johnson ducking Langford and supposedly being oddly racist himself in defending his title. It was probably not a racial issue at all so much as a purely economic one. There would have been little money in defending against black men like Jeanette, McVey, Langford, Martin, Childs etc. Johnson had defeated all (Jeanette and McVey any times). Who would pay to see him do so yet again? The paying public certainly clamored to see Johnson dethroned, but in losing to another black man they would only be back in square one again. Why pay to see a fight which would not solve the racial situation? These aforementioned black contenders were probably the best in the sport at the time, but Johnson had already proven himself (at least to himself) against them. Admittedly, they were all still dangerous, so why risk the title with nothing to prove and even less to gain?
As a side note the white fighters of that era were not as 100% racially discriminatory as is now commonly believed. They did fight black opponents from time to time. They had no problem fighting ones who they thought they could beat. The only ones that they had any scruples fighting were GOOD black fighters. Remember, Burns avoided Johnson as long as he could, but here the money may have made it worth it.
So it appears that Johnson also enforced the color line as champ, as his white predecessors did. And for the same reasons. More profitable and less risky all around.
it was racist. he drew the race line. no matter how you sugar coat it.
Bullshit.
Johnson drew the color line.
Cut the crap.
Johnson actually did fight Sam Langford in 1906 and won by decision in the 15th round. So it's hard to imagine that the color line was the reason he didn't allow a rematch. It's more likely the risk outweighed the reward, like you mentioned.
Mcvey was fresh out his teens fighting johnson, sam had little heavyweight experience, and jenneate was young as well. Those three where without a doubt better and the most deserving challengers of a shot. Johnson declined mcvey in paris then boxed battling jim the same month. The money fell through for johnson to fight mcvey then the winner defend against sam in Australia because they(general public) wanted a white champion. Jess willard only got his shot after sam licked the guy ahead of him and still didnt get a shot.
Yes Johnson avoided the top 3 black heavyweights.
No he did not draw the color line as battling jim was black. He declined more money for a mcvey defense, a mcvey now in his mid 20s and more seasoned.
Yes the world was so racist at the time it made it VERY easy for johnson to decline hard fights and say "if I might lose I might as well get the most out of it".
@@LadyFairChildVideo except he didn't. He fought jim Johnson in paris and signed to fight Langford and mcvey again in Australia. He never drew the color line unlike dempsey who told the ny times thats exactly what he was doing. Unlike jess who refused to defend against mcvey but fought the smaller moran who jack also beat
Ali and Holmes used a lot of Johnson's technique.
Who told you that?
That Flynn was an animal, pretty ferocious but resorting to butting because he was frustrated and outclassed was so low, I lost count how many times he used his head. Johnson was on another level though and could change gear at any point when he felt the need, total control.
Didn’t realize there was a Las Vegas in New Mexico
Your school system sucks.
Does anybody know the exact location in Las Vegas, NM where this fight took place? I go thru that area periodically would love to visit if possible.
Yes.
Really nice how they stopped the fight because that guy was totally cheating and this guy was just making a fool of himself so they realize that and just came to stop the fight what a way to go
So long ago.These fights which is historical is well preserved in films and that fight took place more than a hundred years ago to date.Those were the early years of the last century and a few years away to World War One.
Johnson was so far superior he frustrated them all. Then he partied like it was 1999.
He ACTUALLY partied in 1899.
Johnson looks great for 245lbs! He looks far better than most modern Heavies his weight for sure.
??? He weighed 195 for this fight
Johnson weighed 212 for this fight, Flynn himself weighed 193
Who won this fight?!
5:43 Flynn butts. Despicable
Johnson butted tommy burns early in their fight stfu Spoda. JS
@@jamescowan3651 So that makes it sportsmanlike? GFY
Total frustration by Flynn. I don't condone the head butts, but Johnson was holding excessively. He should have been warned for holding. Johnson didn't seem to interested in fighting.
Looks like Flynn butted him out of frustration because all Johnson did was tie him up. Johnson was smart, any film I saw was hit and hold, hit and hold. Flynn couldn’t get his arms free so he tried another way. These were tough guys.
Nice one. The gloves look like 5-6 ounces tops.
Didn't know Flynn was such a dirty fighter
There were some nasty punches exchanged in the clinch. Johnson did a lot of work in the clinch even though Flynn was always coming in and initiating it. If Flynn is going to relentlessly push his way inside he should have been prepared for all the holding and dirty work that comes along with it. The ref was letting them fight inside and not breaking it up quickly so Flynn should have adjusted and been more vicious with punches instead of his head. I thought this was to Flynn's advantage but Johnson had too much control during any exchange.
I thought Flynn had good defense; he got his hands up high and blocked shots and he consistently got inside on Johnson. The only problem is Flynn didn't actually box much in this fight; he didn't work his punches or set anything up. Flynn needed to do some things on the way to getting inside on Johnson, especially because Johnson was doing those extra things, like jabbing. In the end, Flynn was too predictable here, but he certainly was a tank.
Flynn doing dirty work yes, Johnson was just toying with him.
Today , that fight would have been stopped in the 2nd or 3 rd round .Johnson was the much cleaner fighter , did Flynn really headbutt him or was seeing it wrong ?
He head butted him like a billy goat. Pathetic.
Concerning holding. The rules were different then . Also, what can you do against an aponent who smothers you like Flynn?
Also, the hands were always a problem. So fighters were carefull not to land punches on top of t he head. Also the fight was potentially 40 or more rounds. So you had to conserve energy.
Strange ending!!
What's so strange about it. Countless fouls the ref let it go on way too long.
@@sleazyfellow If you listen carefully, the sheriff stopped the fight , not the ref. Never saw that before. Very strange indeed!
1:50. Did I just hear him say 95 degrees?
I dunno, deaf guy. How the fk would I know what you fkg hear? 👈👺
And to one further, there's a reason why Black fighters were not allowed to challenge for the hvywt crown. It was the Holy Grail of all titles. There were other Black hvy wts just as good & arguably maybe better than Johnson at the time who never got the opportunity BECAUSE of their submissive lack of "personality".
Looks like Larry Holmes
Flynn didn't know about Lethwei.
Jack had already fought Flynn and knocked him out. Wow They forgot to put the quit in this guy. Flynn is obviously a devil for punsihment or very brave bc he is half the size of Johnson. Flynn is fighting dirty bc he is frustrated by JJ's great defense. But this is an example JJ's and his promoters genius. He was often in the ring with men half his size and or a old and rusty Jim Jeffries. The white audiences went crazy when Jack manhandled his smaller opponents. But these fights sold tremendously. My understanding is (please correct me if I am wrong) that Jack Johnson was wealthly to his dying day in the 1940's bc of the money he made while champion.
And the betting was crazy. All the whites would bet magnificent sums on the white fighter, while blacks would put all their money on Johnson. So Johnson won huge payouts for African-Americans while all the whites lost their wallets. But this is never brought up in the documentaries.
Jack wasn't wealthy.
If you truly follow the sport, you'd know that the heavyweight title was "hands off" for Black contenders during that era. it was looked at as White America's coveted title. I'm no stranger to what Johnson did or didn't do during his tenure as champ but let's face it: What kind of shot would Joe Louis have had if Johnson didn't open the door for every other future hvywt champ of color? Try a little objectivity, pal. Cheers.
Sounds like you would like that era to still be around today.
it wasn't exclusively for Americans, Johnson won the title from Canadian Tommy Burns
@1saxonwolf It was a style of "holding", pal. And Corbett's style of excessive holding is well documented. Haha, "Black America"? Are you referring to me? Not even close to being Black. But of you were offended by my use of the term "White America", it was referenced to the era of the early 1900's. Unless of course, you feel compelled to protect the integrity of White America from that era. Johnson was at a different skill level,Flynn's only option was to butt & shout racial epitaphs
@1saxonwolf My comment regarding "White America" OF THE 1900'S and Corbett's holding was absolutely true. What's racist about stating a documented historical fact? When Corbett held excessively (and there is documented proof) White America of that era had no problems. When Johnson did it, they went loopy. Double standard motivated by ignorant racial hatred at the time? Of course. So what's the problem with my post?
Jack johns fighting style inspired joy floyd mayweathers style wich was used by roger and eventually perfected by floyd mayweather JR.
I can't watch this! This isn't boxing, but thugishness
Shittin'&Fartin'...
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Cool footage but this had to be one of the worst title fights ever.
Objective? Unbiased? You put more effort in discredting him than giving him any praise. You, my friend, represent the minority in that department. Love him or hate him, the man was good for Boxing. Joe Louis distanced himself from Johnson at the order of his own management staff. Afraid to muddy the waters, they had the proverbial "thumb print" on Louis's forehead. Louis was a quality human being who, in the end, paid dearly for being a quality human being, compliments of the US gov't.
The Fed is a private bank of issue fraud that is not federal...The IRS is an extortion racket and they are both private agencies owned by Zionists and freemasons...To gut America ...which they have almost succeeded...Louis needed to investigate who was stealing his money and never did...If he'd of read a book in 1950 called "Secrets of the federal reserve" ....He'd have been better off knowing what and who his enemy was...
Johnson married a woman from a village 30 liles north of where that fight was held
@jperez9805 Who said anything about a "style" of holding ? You never saw Corbett "hold" like this. Not surprisingly, "black America" is bringing race into a discussion, again. Johnson really showed his "different" skill level didn't he ?
He was challenged. When mw Langford went up to hw, Johnson denied him a shot. Langford wasnt the only one either.
Johnsons best wins were aganist mw Langford and Ketchell, and post-exile/past-prime-hw-Jefferies.
You think those were his best wins? Then you know little about the great Jack Johnson. He actually fought Langford at heavyweight 5 times. The difference is it was when Johnson was the colored heavyweight champion and he defended that title 17 times, only surrendering it when he challenged Tommy Burns for the title in 1908. There’s a lot of history in there before he even win the title.
But because of race hatred and other politics, Johnson would never be able to fight another black fighter for the title.
Sad and unfair days.
@thomas riner would love to have been to some of those fights.
@@bandit7498
He didn't give any black-and-tans a shot at the real title. Cut the crap.
@@DavidJsmith-dk5tf right the public would have never gone for all balck title fight ,IT wasnt so much jack being racist he was still operating inside of a white mans racist system!
@jperez9805 Your case ?? You didn't make one. Your original comments were flagged as spam because they seem racially tinted. If thats not the motivation why make the statements ? Stick to boxing comments, "pal".
nobody uploaded Jim Flynn vs Dempsey in which he TKO'ed dempsey in a first round?
10:30 a forerunner to Ali Holmes
Louis distanced himself because of Johnons's constant public critizism of Louis. "He can't fight. His footwork is all wrong." I would have beaten him easily. Louis comment was "Get that black cat out of my camp before I throw him out. I respect Johnson as a fighter. A great champion in his era and a pioneer. I refuse to put him on a pedestal or hero as an individual. He was not. Think Langford, Wills, Jeanette, Mcvea would call him a hero?
Corbett to my knowledge was not a holder. Nor does the existing film of him suggest that. I am of the belief Johnson's peronsality had a lot to do with the attitude the public directed to him. Example, Joe Gans was a black champion was highly respected in America. The newspapers raved at his skill and genius. Interestingly enough he too was married to a white woman. So why the double standard? Guess racism begins at 170'bs plus.
The HEAVYWEIGHT belt was considered the property if the White Man.
nO FUCK CHARACTER..what we need is a fighter who can actually outbox floyd.
"A style of holding", pal, like I said u never saw Corbett "hold" anywhere near what this vid shows JJ doing. U mean holding like Ali ?, now I get it. If your referring to clinching as part of boxing then your mistaken as this is holding/stalling which can get u penalized. JJ doesn't show his "different skill level" here, just excessively tying Flynn up. I am offended by u bringing race into it. Why bring it up ?
@jperez9805 Originally I commented JJ's excessive holding, plain to see. U responded it was same as Corbett's,"Not surprising White America never had a problem with Corbetts xs holding" etc. There's no slant with that comment ? Should I assume u were assuming I represent White America ? U were speaking to me, correct ? Now u comment on racist Corbett. R u sure about your intentions ?
Watch Corbett/Fitz, u won't see this stalling.
FYI, I rate JJ as arguably the best ever.
I'm done.
Johnson refused to fight Sam Langford a second time when he had the world title even though he was offered more than one large purse. Hypocritical of him after complaining about Burns giving him a shot. In his prime, Langford likely would've knocked him out.
Johnson drew the color line too. He was a bitch. JS
Johnson had Sam down twice in the first fight.
what a filthy, dirty fighter................... wtf,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Too bad Tommy didn't give Sam Langford a shot instead of Johnson. Sam would've eventually given Johnson a crack at it if he won.
The Shadow johnson did fight langford once in a non title fight, jack won it had sam down ref gave long count helping sam to get up, jack won it clearly on points decision. i think it that era at start of movie cameras jack let alot fighters go a fair way in fights to make it look good for boxing! he was a true great not many could have lived with johnson when he was up for turning it on, johnson technically had it all,,
Johnson fought middleweights and light heavyweights for the most part. The few guys his own size were hand-picked because he knew he could whip them. He was the best of a poor lot, except for a prime Sam Langford, not the middleweight he fought in 1906, but the Boston Bonecrusher of 1908 onward. Johnson ducked him because he wanted to be the only black heavyweight champion in history. Same reason he disparaged Joe Louis.
@@markjameswhittingham3940
Johnson didn't give Langford, or any black boxer, a shot at the title. That's what he was talking about.
Cut the crap, son.
JACK IS THE MAC ....WAY BEVOR ALI WAS ! DOES IT HURT MR. BURNS ??
I guess Jackson Johnson himself objected to the black contenders lack of personality as he refused to fight them for the title as well. (except to the 2nd rate Jim Johnson who held Jack to a draw). How racist of him to draw the color line no? I guess racisim at least in boxing back in those days started at 170 lbs.
I am objective. In terms of your reference to the great Joe Louis he owed nothing to Johnson. If you are a true follower of Johnson you should know he dispised him to the point of banning hin from his camp. I more pertinent question would be what did johnson's behavior as champion do for the title shot of Harry Wills or Sam Langford? Johhnson was in a postion to open the door for black boxers. His arrogance in my opinion set back black fighters heavyweight title dreams back for decades.
What because he didnt bow down to the white man , as. Alli said louis was a uncle tom louis was good but could be dropped by a right hook as he was sometimes johnsone wore 3 oz gloves
You need to understand what he was up against in those days
@@pauldomingo6737
You're full o' shit.
The hatred might've been more Jack Blackburn's.
Yes
Johnson should've been cautioned for excessive holding and stiff-arming Flynn.
You should've minded your own fkn business.
Rules were different back then. Holding and infighting were acceptable. Notice boxers from that era didn't dance around the ring, they stood toe to toe and threw punches at each other.
Here we go. JJ fighting a middleweight. And the guy is hanging tough. How can this guy be hearalded as a great fighter when good middleweights fought him so tough? None of his fights, if he was so great should have gone more than 1 round. Just saying. The great JJ if he was Flynn would have never gone 9 rounds with the guy,never.
Light-Heavy weight, which was pretty much the norm back then. Jack Johnson started out as a Light Heavyweight and fought guys much larger than himself for the first half of his career (Denver Ed Martin, Hank Griffin, Joe Choynski, Klondyke Haynes, Marvin Hart was same size).
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Johnson was 212 pounds, handpicking 170 pound guys.
Cut the crap, man.
Any modern HW would have destroyed JJohnson.
f barr Boxing has changed &evolved drastically between then&now. That's like saying a 1918 Cadillac would lose to a 1973 Coupe deVille.🤗
Can you imagine Foreman vs Johnson? I don't think it would last two rounds.
Joe Frazier would have mauled him to death.
You've got to remember that fights in those days were often scheduled for 45 rounds. They had to box at a slower pace if they were going to go that far. Also training methods and nutrition today are far in advance of what they were then.
No , for the simple reason , johnson would be using modern tactics and if he was beaten , he would certainly not be destroyed .
Sam Sum If you're gonna bring him back from the dead&give him modern training, he wouldn't be the old Jack Johnson anymore, his style wouldn't be the same, you'd have him in name only. He drank,smoked cigars& was sporadic in training...may as well give him a light saber or cool super power too. Haha
How pathetic were these white supremacists. No honor at all
Now THAT'S a tan!