Despite all you may hear Jack Johnson was always grateful to Tommy Burns as being the only Champion to have allowed him a chance for the title. And he publicly thanked him.
Thank you for this acknowledgement, as Tommy Burns "never" received the credit of allowing a defense of his title against a black fighter of 1908 times. He could have easily drawn the "color line" as other champions had done before him, and fought several years more against second-raters. Tommy was a good, tough fighter and at 5"7", and 180+ pounds, all of his opponents were taller and bigger than Tommy. In his title defense against Johnson, Tommy took a severe beating, but went out as a champ should, as the police stopped it to keep Tommy from being killed. Tommy did have his moments during this fight, it was not a complete beat-down. Tommy was his own man, tough, strong, and very courageous. He would later, after his fighting days, become a Christian preaching the word of God. He repented his youthful shortcomings and became humble in spirit, which made him the "complete" Champion. I never knew that Jack had thanked Tommy for giving him a shot at his title. That speaks well for him! After all, as Tommy would say later, Jack was one of the "greatest evers" in heavyweight boxing history, and losing, fair & square, to him was no disgrace. Tommy did his best, never quit, and lost his title, but years later "some" acknowledgement of his skills was forthcoming. This Dec. 26, 1908 championship fight was a "first" of its kind, and Tommy Burns deserves as much, if not more, credit than Johnson for permitting it to happen. Too bad that Jack didn't follow Tommy's example and allow just one of the 3-best black heavyweights a title shot. Jack did the very same thing that other white champions in boxing had done, and that was drawing the "color line" against Sam Langford, Sam McVey, and Joe Jeanette the best in the business during Jack's reign as champion.
There are supposedly written reviews of the fight film which was shown in theaters overseas and aboard US Navy ships describing the final knockdown and police stopping the fight. So it is more likely the end of the fight ended up on the floor of some editor's office who did not like the ending. The early rounds are also missing.
Different era, different styles. Back in Johnson's day, fights were scheduled for a minimum 20 rounds so fighting had to be slower, less flashy. Johnson was an excellent counter puncher. He'd wait for the other cat to make a move and then respond. Boring to watch by today's standards, perhaps, but it got him to the top of his game which was a helluva lot harder to achieve back then, regardless of color.
If anyone wants to know the amazing story leading up to this fight (and more on the life of Johnson) I recommend the podcast "History on Fire". There's a great 3 part story about his life and career. Knowing the background makes this fight so much better. And btw its fucking incredible that we have any footage of this at all.
Ref never breaks things up hardly,makes it more of a hybrid between stand-up grappling and boxing, it's like watching stand-up UFC/MMA but without the wrestling Interestin to watch
@@daviddavis3389 the owner of this account was my grandfather. He passed away s few months ago at the age of 117. He was 3 at this fight. My family is there somewhere on the left side of the ring
Действительно очень интересный поединок,надо же собрать такую коллекцию,это как надо любить бокс.! Обидно,что в СССР не фиксировались и не сохранились бои сильнейших боксёров 1926 по 1950 год . Таких как Е.Огуренков, А.Грейнер, С.Щербаков, В.Михайлов, И.Князев, Л.Сегалович,Г.Вартанов, А. .Навасардов,Н.Королев . .Да и моего периода с 1965 по 1975 год. Ведь любителями они назывались формально и многие в профи проходили через них,а им не давали право выбора наши законы.
@sylester major johnson also fought ketchel , who he outweighed by 50lbs. I certainly don't underate johnson, he had simply run out of big name heavy weights that could pull a big crowd. The promoters answer was to match him with the top white fighters from the lighter divisions. It would be the modern equivalent of matching a De la hoya with a mike tyson. The' physics of boxing ' mean weight divisions have a reason. The aforementioned Ketchel was nearly killed by the much bigger man ; it was a circus !
They mentioned that Burns had KO'd heavyweights above his size before. He was the great white hope here. Just shows how primitive boxing still was at the time. Jack was ahead in the science.
To be fair to Tommy Burns, he didn't have size but he had heart. "I will defend my title against all comers, none barred. By this I mean white, black, Mexican, Indian, or any other nationality. I propose to be the champion of the world, not the white, or the Canadian, or the American. If I am not the best man in the heavyweight division, I don't want the title." To be 170lbs and that fearless in 1908? Balls of solid iron.
For anyone interested in Jack Johnson a good book to read is "Unforgivable Blackness". By Geoffrey C. Ward. Details the life of J.J. And gets into the details of this fight and what led up to it. J.J. was a man WAY ahead of his time. His impact on boxing AND on American society cannot be denied. Boxing and baseball were the two major sports back then. And a black heavyweight champion shook the sports world AND society. Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali have similar things in common. The major difference being that Jack Johnson became champion over 50 yrs. before.
@mrcjrowe The film only exist now as it was edited. Feel free to research it yourself, If you feel the publications from the time the fight took place are hearsay than there is no convincing you. I stand by my original statement, the stopped camera at the exact point of the KO is a myth.
@Daniel Eyre Both of these men were great Boxers in their time. Jack Johnson beat Burns through patience and technical skill rather than just relying on his size advantage. You didn't see him cutting off the ring and ducking overhand rights the entire fight? Sure fights from this era are more clinch heavy than today, but Johnson fought his way there defensively. The film from these fights is normally sped up slightly and it makes the fighters look jerky and clumsy. Try slowing it down just a little bit if you haven't done it before to see for yourself. You can learn a lot by looking for commonalities and differences between early and later fighters. This is a piece of Boxing History gold.
@Daniel Eyre I never denied that he was tying up or talking trash, and why we're talking about it, I don't understand why Burns decided to try and match strength with Johnson in the clinch so frequently. Perhaps he felt safer knowing where Johnson's hands were. Saying it was a good fight, doesn't have to imply that it was a close fight. Burns was 5'9 and 160lbs vs Johnson's 6'1 200lbs, and he still wanted the fight. He was dominant at middleweight and managed to take the heavyweight crown without actually going up in weight. You don't find it intriguing to see how someone with his background and physical disadvantages would approach and adjust to this kind of fight?
@MrEdlgar The stopped camera is a myth. The film was edited much later. Early accounts of the film describe the final knockdown. The fight was stopped before the count was completed. Possible Burns could have risen before the count of 10 but the KO was going to happen at some point anyway.
9 years ago lmao i wonder if you still have this blind mindset though you are partially right burns could've gotten up up and there was film of the knock out but the film was destroyed because of old racist people back then an even if he got up you'd be a fool to say johnson's victory wasn't inevitable Johnson was a giant in comparison and was slaughtering burns start to finish.
@@bluecircle8960 So what was blind about my mindset? We do not know and will never know if Burns could have risen before the count of ten on the final knock down because the fight was immediately stopped by police. Also the KO was at the point just a matter of time as Johnson was winning easily. You seem to agree with everything I said.
@@andrewr62 well then maybe i miss judged you. Maybe not I can't tell. Anyways off topic but say you can pick any two fighters from any weightclass and any time period at their absolute peak both physically and skill wise who are you picking to make the absolute greatest fight of all time fictional boxers included
"You having fun yet mr" as he proceeds to clinch throwing hard shots and elbows to the face jack Johnsons inside game was unreal he knew exactly what he was doing using his size and reach to his ultimate advantage johnson would take out any heavyweight today past present future the guy was greater than Ali and faced more adversity out the ring than Ali ever did and Johnson loved it crazy guy he was.
They locked Johnson up, and did not allow him to properly train. In Johnson’s prime he was the baddest man on the earth! That was the only way he was going to lose!
Jack Johnson vs Tommy Burns heavyweight championship of the world Dec 1908 Australia. Johnson followed Burns all over the world until finally catching up with Burns in Australia. Johnson was taller, bigger and stronger than Burns. Johnson talked to Burns during the fight, smiled and even waved at Burns at the end of round 8. Johnson was in command the entire fight. Finally in round 14, police stopped the camera and the fight, awarding Johnson the title. A really lopsided fight that should not have happened. I give credit to Burns for giving Johnson a chance at the title, but what a mistake!
"I will defend my title against all comers, none barred. By this I mean white, black, Mexican, Indian, or any other nationality. I propose to be the champion of the world, not the white, or the Canadian, or the American. If I am not the best man in the heavyweight division, I don't want the title."-tommyburns also he was a natural middleweight fighting opponents way bigger
Billy, Tyson was also roided up at 220 and had the machine behind him. He got his head knocked off by a 41-1 underdog and was excused by his fanboys as "past his prime" at 23, so yeah. Also, Burns took on the most dangerous fighter there was when nobody really expected him to, while Tyson stayed away from guys like Bowe, Tua, Foreman, and Morrison who might actually threaten him with power.
Jack Johnson the greatest boxer of all time! Bold, Black, and Beautiful! Unafraid in a very racist time! That’s what make Johnson the greatest! Nuff said.
where you wrong is when you said that "everybody can do it ", why don't everybody do it then to win ?? the answer is simply that its harder defend than to attack , everybody can attack throwing thousands punches in the air , but how many are smart enough to have the good timing for clinching and still being able to punch at the right time , cause you got to remember , Johnson was still knocking out people ,Hit without getting hit that's the name of the game, if u don't like it go watch ufc
@alltelman5 A lot of people might have got killed if the police hadn't stepped in and stopped the fight as the fight was very racially charged. You only have to look at what happened in the Tom Molineaux vs Toms Cribb fight in 1810 when the white local hero was in trouble in he's match.
@@GrandMasterMace Tyson never fought no one. Only 4 hall of famers. One was an old Larry Holmes who bad been boxing for 20 years. One was Michael Spinks was moved up a weight class and was old. And the other 2 were Holyfield and Lewis and boy did they beat that ass.
Much smaller boxrec.com/media/index.php/Tommy_Burns_vs._Jack_Johnson#:~:text=Johnson%20received%20%245%2C000%20and%20Burns,World%20Heavyweight%20Champion%20James%20J.&text=The%20force%20of%20the%20blow,had%20agreed%20to%20break%20clean.
It didn't occur to me before... but look at the third man in the ring, I mean the referee. He looks like a medic.. you know somebody that takes care of injured people. That's exactly what Burns needed during this fight! Johnson simply clobbered Burns into oblivion, laughing at the champion the entire first. In conclusion, Burns had a lot of confidence to accept the challenge, but Jack Johnson was a formiable opponent. Johnson was the heavyweight champion of the world from 1908-1915... it was the fight in Havana Cuba the ended his reign when Jess Willard knock out Johnson in the 26th round. It was a topic of controversy.. because Johnson insisted that he threw the first. Recently, somebody informed me that Johnson lied about that, I mean that he threw the fight. I thought he did, but I decided not to argue about it. Y'all keep watching them old fight films
@mrcjrowe Indeed, but one should admire his courage. He too could have avoided Johnson but chose not to. Racist he may have been at the time but too his credit turned his life around and became a christian preacher in his old age and preached against racism.
it's almost comical the way they danced around the ring back then. it's so different from today's fighters. I wonder how a good heavyweight from then would mach up with a good fighter of today..
@@darthvaderoftheredpill5196 Their records say both were better. Prime for Prime both have far better records than Tyson. In fact Vitali has the best of the three of them considering his only two losses were both controversial over injuries. He was winning both fights on points yet lost them due to injuries. Tyson was literally TOKed on multiple occations.
@truthhitmanisback I have read in several publications one was the NY Times describing the film and how it should be banned from the United States shortly after the fight It described all the knockdowns including the final stoppage. Think about too,The carmera was several hundred feet away from the ring. You think the police from the ring could have instantly stopped the film at the very second Burns was falling? Not likely.
the reason johnson let it go on for so long is because if he had knocked burns out in the early rounds the whites would say it was luck, he wanted to make sure they knew it was no fluke
@@Bruins-vq5ey The best heavyweight today is Tyson Fury . Who would demolish Usyk....Joshua would win the rematch... occasionally a cruiserweight can beat a heavyweight. But Burns would never beat Johnson.. at least 5 inches smaller and conceding too much weight ... Did you know that Johnson mostly fought cruiserweights in his defences?
@@davidalexander5405 Johnson was a cruiserweight also..did you know that? Fury isn't the best heavyweight until he fights someone with skill...AJ has fought better competition than Fury
@masterdelrap You must be talking about Tommy Burns, not Jack Johnson. If Jack was around today then he would be even better and bigger than he was back in the day because he would have modern trainers, etc. If Klitschko DREAMED he beat Jack Johnson he'd wake up and apologize.
What makes me so mad is Black fighters back then did not get to really show how good they really were because of such raciest white people many fights the Black man had to throw and let the white man win.. many black fighters were told to take it easy on the white fighters and not to knock them out until later in the fight because it could have caused a riot.. I can't imagine how difficult this had to be on Black fighters of that day.. We should all be Proud of some of the best fighters in the world are black.. My favorite was Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Sugar Ray Leonard, and my favorite of all Mike Tyson.. but there were so many black fighters of that day that couldn't become the world champions that they may have become because of raciest promoters.. if they were allowed and had the opportunity to fight the same way as white fighters I think we would be reading and talking about many many more Black world champion fighters.. It brings to mind Sonny Liston the police would not leave Liston alone they hated him and would harass him at every chance they could. but Liston handled it the best he could for years so he would not be banned from fighting.. I will never understand the world we live in but I am glad about one thing and that is being able to watch some of the most talented black fighters in the world get there chance to become world champions.. ruclips.net/video/awoLdM6bPp4/видео.html
Johnson would have never lost if he went out to seek and destroy each person put in front of him as quickly as possible. He was a great defensive fighter also. Most of his fights he grew bored trying to keep the fight going as long as possible.
+Paul Fartbomb ... Johnson could've ended this fight after a couple of rounds, but toyed with Burns to inflict maximum punishment. A hint of sadism perhaps?
He wanted to punish Burns for ducking and dodging him for all those years, and because Burns made derogatory comments about him. Jack was out to prove a point!
Johnson was a coward who refused to take a risk by attacking an opponent if there was the slightest chance he'd get hit back. He criticized Jeffries for drawing the colour line, then promptly drew it himself against his own people. He should've been stripped of the title for refusing to defend against Sam Langford and Joe Jeannette.
@@Section5_CdnIntelService you may be right. He tried attacking willard non-stop but willard blocked and outlasted him, then knocked dempsey out with one of the greatest punches in history
@@TheJokerx420 u might think it's funny,but both in there prime,tyson go break his ribs,he will kill him.only thing dude better do is not get close to tyson like buster did ,tyson knocked buster down as he got close u better stay far
Best to watch without the sound. This narrator is a nobhead who knows only what he's been told. One simple fact for instance, Burns weighed 168 and Johnson 194 (not 212). Johnson should've been cautioned for holding behind the arms, something he got away with in most of his fights. The referee was promoter Hugh McIntosh and had only a vague notion of the rules. Johnson was a caution fighter who hated to take risks (ducked Langford, Jeannette, etc.) so he held and hit in the clinches, often when he had his back to the ref.
That is one of the biggest myths in boxing. The original film was shown in Australia as well as on American navy vessels. Write ups about the film tell of showing the final knockdown as well as the police entering the ring. The film was later edited by somebody who did not want to show the end. Not a racist cop but a racist editor.
Andrew they stopped the footage because of their racism and fragile ego stop your apologist history revisionist nonsense you are just as insecure as every beta male cuck in that crowd heck you are one of them.
This makes me feel sick and embarrassed to be a white man. Jack Johnson is a legend and a hero, I have him framed next to Ali and Tyson and Julio Cesar Chavez on my wall.
He’s ashamed of the insecurity and racism displayed during this period where there egos were so fragile and their dicks were so small they felt the need to go on a killing spree of African Americans because jack johnson beat their great white hope that is shameful in the true sense.
@masterdelrap This fight took place over 100 years ago. If Johnson was around in mordern times then he would fight even better, and most probably be even bigger. David Haye wouldn't even be able to hit Johnson with a handfull of rice LOOOOL JACK JOHNSON by KO
Tommy wasn't obligated to fight Johnson. He could have turned his back like Johnson did with Sam Langford and Joe Jeannette, but he had the guts to accept the challenge and give a shot to a man everyone around him said to ignore.
@Char Char Binks Even though whites were the instagators of racism lynching blacks for fun with their families and children watching typical blaming others for your own racism and trying to spin shit fuck you
Video side by side of louis era compared to 70s-90s foreman fought on my page, shows the 70s-90s were way more advanced in angles used/defense/timing/tech and fought smarter
JJ ducked fights???????????? you serious?????? up until this fight no white champions would break the color line and let blacks fight for the belt so no
RealDj You're beyond delusional my dude... 😕😂 I don't even know where to begin.. 😞😔 Are you trying to say skill for skill, if they where hypothetically closer in height and in the same weight class? 🤔 Then would could talk some sense and reason.
Yeah. Johnson hated to take any chances. He preferred fighting smaller guys like Burns, Ketchel, O'Brien and Flynn or inept journeymen like Kaufman, Moran and Jim Johnson. He hated Joe Louis because he wanted to be the ONLY black heavyweight champion.
@@user-lb5zo9ui2l You're very ignorant of history, and sadly misinformed. Burns, the man in this fight studied and trained with black fighters and trainers, was married to a black woman, had mixed race children, and was very close personal friends with Jack Johnson before and forever after this fight. They always spoke very highly of each other and promoted one another as young men and into Old Age.
good defensive fighter, yup and pretty easy when you tower over most guys, and your opponents have short arms and they are mostly middleweights. what do you think would happen when you put a hwt in with a middleweight. anyone could guess the outcome. JJ highly over rated. And how many Black fighters did he take on? He showed how good he was when a mediocre hwt named J Williard knocked the bum out. any one his size with some skill would no doubt have ended his career quickly. sorry can't go along with him being a great fighter at all.
@@joaoii1082 No response to your legitimate counter point? 🤔 He must know he isn't able to defend his claim, as an arm chair analyst. 😂 He must not have paid attention during the fight. Burns was no joke, and he fought and trained out of Detroit Michigan. These guys are playing chess with their feet! He says JJ has no defense? How many times did he sit into his lean and GET UNDER the right hand of a man THAT MUCH SHORTER than himself in this fight? 🤔😂 These men here with Joe Gans and the rest of the unappreciated men from this era, laid the ground work for ALL of the fighters in later eras, and that's a fact.
@@kinginblack3321 Tommy was 5'7, and Jack was 6'1. Do you know what kind of advantage that was? Or is that too much for you to process in your tiny, receding, skull. God. Jack was an actual Fraud. There were White Fighters who were taller and more fierce back then, but never fought. He was an excellent Fraud. Not fighter.
@@joogmeister3411 did u seriously try to restart a week old disagreement? 😒 *Sigh*🤦 Listen lady Tommy burns fought guys bigger than him an a normal basis And alot of em he knocked out If Jack Johnson was so bad he could have did to him what he did to them but he couldn't u know why? Cuz jack Johnson's better than him :)
in these days people put on a fake fight like ufc.. prepaid and pre-trained fight.. but when johnson came in unable to be paid out under the table.. he made the entire sport of boxing become a real thing over the inferior fake old boxing style..
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110 years ago. amazing footage. brilliant match.
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@@Narration___Nation 118 years ago
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@@Narration___Nation this proofs that boxing was always popular
Despite all you may hear Jack Johnson was always grateful to Tommy Burns as being the only Champion to have allowed him a chance for the title. And he publicly thanked him.
Those are the words of a man who knows he got you beat in every category.
Of course. We dont have malice in our hearts they do
And?!
Thank you for this acknowledgement, as Tommy Burns "never" received the credit of allowing a defense of his title against a black fighter of 1908 times. He could have easily drawn the "color line" as other champions had done before him, and fought several years more against second-raters. Tommy was a good, tough fighter and at 5"7", and 180+ pounds, all of his opponents were taller and bigger than Tommy. In his title defense against Johnson, Tommy took a severe beating, but went out as a champ should, as the police stopped it to keep Tommy from being killed. Tommy did have his moments during this fight, it was not a complete beat-down. Tommy was his own man, tough, strong, and very courageous. He would later, after his fighting days, become a Christian preaching the word of God. He repented his youthful shortcomings and became humble in spirit, which made him the "complete" Champion. I never knew that Jack had thanked Tommy for giving him a shot at his title. That speaks well for him! After all, as Tommy would say later, Jack was one of the "greatest evers" in heavyweight boxing history, and losing, fair & square, to him was no disgrace. Tommy did his best, never quit, and lost his title, but years later "some" acknowledgement of his skills was forthcoming. This Dec. 26, 1908 championship fight was a "first" of its kind, and Tommy Burns deserves as much, if not more, credit than Johnson for permitting it to happen. Too bad that Jack didn't follow Tommy's example and allow just one of the 3-best black heavyweights a title shot. Jack did the very same thing that other white champions in boxing had done, and that was drawing the "color line" against Sam Langford, Sam McVey, and Joe Jeanette the best in the business during Jack's reign as champion.
The police shut off the camera LMAO
There are supposedly written reviews of the fight film which was shown in theaters overseas and aboard US Navy ships describing the final knockdown and police stopping the fight. So it is more likely the end of the fight ended up on the floor of some editor's office who did not like the ending. The early rounds are also missing.
Yes they did.
I think we all know why
@@andrewr62 I'm sure you believe that, but the rest of us know the truth
@@jyjjyc cope
110 years and the all time record for time spent in the clinch remains unbroken
Different era, different styles. Back in Johnson's day, fights were scheduled for a minimum 20 rounds so fighting had to be slower, less flashy.
Johnson was an excellent counter puncher. He'd wait for the other cat to make a move and then respond. Boring to watch by today's standards, perhaps, but it got him to the top of his game which was a helluva lot harder to achieve back then, regardless of color.
How many minutes was the rounds back then?
That makes sense cause I’m like…end this fight…who was his trainer…Tom shouldn’t have made as long as he did
Shutting off the cameras did more damage than if they had let the cameras capture everything
Amazing how this same announcer has been at all these historical fights.
Jim Jacobs, Mike Tyson owns most of the old fight films we see on RUclips today. Jim did most the Voice overs because they were “silent” films.
Ikr
@@dirtypimpbird wow i didnt know iron mike owns these old vídeos. Is that for real?
Jim Jacobs brutal at calling over fights
@@oscaralegre3683 Jim Jacobs, Mike's first Manager owns the films. Sorry for the confusion. Respect
Beautiful the history of Boxing 🥊! They can Run but you can’t hide 💪🏽
If anyone wants to know the amazing story leading up to this fight (and more on the life of Johnson) I recommend the podcast "History on Fire". There's a great 3 part story about his life and career. Knowing the background makes this fight so much better. And btw its fucking incredible that we have any footage of this at all.
Tommy burns look so small I’m surprised he even fought as a heavyweight
True he looks welter weight or even lighter
@@oscaralegre3683underweight and sick for this fight 168lbs
My Granddaughter went to this fight. Spectacular!
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You communicating from the afterlife?😬😅😬😅😇
For a great champion, Johnson sure did a lot of clinching, even when he sparred
Everybody grappled, it was strategy, and could be extremely tiring to an opponent.
The rules were different and it was a different era.
the minute Burns put on those pum pum trunks and stepped in the ring, he was gonna catch an L.
😂😂😂
After the cameras were cut off, Johnson kneed Burns in the balls.
Fucking cheater.
@@TheBatugan77 and then took his white wife
@@TheBatugan77 johnson never did that?
I was ringside n this fight.
Jajaja
Me to
I was the referee
I was JJ
@Emilia Hoberg Spanish? What's that? U mean "Ñ"?
There's that same narrator!
He's amazing! Must have lived way past 100. 💯.
they had slo mo and even instant replay back then, dope
Ref never breaks things up hardly,makes it more of a hybrid between stand-up grappling and boxing, it's like watching stand-up UFC/MMA but without the wrestling
Interestin to watch
Because the ref was actually the promoter and didn't have a clue on what the hell he was doing
I remember this match when I was a kid
Hold up
So you must of been alive back in 1908?..you older than 150 years old.
@@daviddavis3389 the owner of this account was my grandfather. He passed away s few months ago at the age of 117. He was 3 at this fight. My family is there somewhere on the left side of the ring
Действительно очень интересный поединок,надо же собрать такую коллекцию,это как надо любить бокс.! Обидно,что в СССР не фиксировались и не сохранились бои сильнейших боксёров 1926 по 1950 год . Таких как Е.Огуренков, А.Грейнер, С.Щербаков, В.Михайлов, И.Князев, Л.Сегалович,Г.Вартанов, А. .Навасардов,Н.Королев . .Да и моего периода с 1965 по 1975 год. Ведь любителями они назывались формально и многие в профи проходили через них,а им не давали право выбора наши законы.
All racism aside, burns should never have been fighting a man of this size ; he was a middle weight at best.
@sylester major johnson also fought ketchel , who he outweighed by 50lbs. I certainly don't underate johnson, he had simply run out of big name heavy weights that could pull a big crowd. The promoters answer was to match him with the top white fighters from the lighter divisions. It would be the modern equivalent of matching a De la hoya with a mike tyson. The' physics of boxing ' mean weight divisions have a reason. The aforementioned Ketchel was nearly killed by the much bigger man ; it was a circus !
They mentioned that Burns had KO'd heavyweights above his size before. He was the great white hope here. Just shows how primitive boxing still was at the time. Jack was ahead in the science.
To be fair to Tommy Burns, he didn't have size but he had heart. "I will defend my title against all comers, none barred. By this I mean white, black, Mexican, Indian, or any other nationality. I propose to be the champion of the world, not the white, or the Canadian, or the American. If I am not the best man in the heavyweight division, I don't want the title."
To be 170lbs and that fearless in 1908? Balls of solid iron.
He was champ..you fight the best..he didn't pick and choose or run and hide..
@@lionelsteele007 how far does only having heart gets you when you are a little pip squeak?
For anyone interested in Jack Johnson a good book to read is "Unforgivable Blackness". By Geoffrey C. Ward. Details the life of J.J. And gets into the details of this fight and what led up to it. J.J. was a man WAY ahead of his time. His impact on boxing AND on American society cannot be denied. Boxing and baseball were the two major sports back then. And a black heavyweight champion shook the sports world AND society. Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali have similar things in common. The major difference being that Jack Johnson became champion over 50 yrs. before.
@mrcjrowe The film only exist now as it was edited. Feel free to research it yourself,
If you feel the publications from the time the fight took place are hearsay than there is no
convincing you. I stand by my original statement, the stopped camera at the exact point of the KO is a myth.
ジャック・ジョンソンが優勢な場面ばかりで編集されてますね？
カットされているシーンでは、トミー・バーンズが優れている部分が多かったらしいです。
I think this is the greatest bout in 🥊 history.
Funny how all you hear is Jack Johnson beating his as s
I'm rooting for Jack because I'm black but I'm also 5'7 so I'm kinda drawn🤣
Burns won a close decision.
TheBatugan77 ...yup, close to the canvas
@@TheBatugan77 Yup, then he woke up.
burns by today standers is a small middleweight
At 180 lbs???
I wished they didnt stop the cameras. I'm not sure why they did that but they did that with a lot of Jack Johnsons fights
Because a black man beat a white man so the second burns goes down the shut the camera off so it's like it never happened to them.
Johnson was untouchable in his prime! White men could not stand seeing a dominant black man whipping that butt! Real Talk, Real Truth!
@@charleswilliams8248 facts
Johnson is playing with him.
I wish they hadn't shut off the camera... That was a good fight.
@Daniel Eyre
Like Hell it was.
@Daniel Eyre
Both of these men were great Boxers in their time.
Jack Johnson beat Burns through patience and technical skill rather than just relying on his size advantage.
You didn't see him cutting off the ring and ducking overhand rights the entire fight?
Sure fights from this era are more clinch heavy than today, but Johnson fought his way there defensively.
The film from these fights is normally sped up slightly and it makes the fighters look jerky and clumsy.
Try slowing it down just a little bit if you haven't done it before to see for yourself.
You can learn a lot by looking for commonalities and differences between early and later fighters.
This is a piece of Boxing History gold.
@Daniel Eyre
I never denied that he was tying up or talking trash, and why we're talking about it, I don't understand why Burns decided to try and match strength with Johnson in the clinch so frequently.
Perhaps he felt safer knowing where Johnson's hands were.
Saying it was a good fight, doesn't have to imply that it was a close fight.
Burns was 5'9 and 160lbs vs Johnson's 6'1 200lbs, and he still wanted the fight.
He was dominant at middleweight and managed to take the heavyweight crown without actually going up in weight.
You don't find it intriguing to see how someone with his background and physical disadvantages would approach and adjust to this kind of fight?
@@aiyahuntacheimumbi236 Burns was 5'7 180lbs..was sick in this fight and weighed 168..
Of course he moved up in weight as a former middleweight
@@Bruins-vq5ey was gonna get his ass beat anyways 🤷🏽♂️
HOW DID ALL THIS DOMINICAN'S GOT INTO THE COMMENT SECTION?
Tommy was only 5'7 and weighed 170lbs
@andrewr62 Where is the proof ? Unless you can show me the extra footage then you don't have proof but hearsay.
@MrEdlgar The stopped camera is a myth. The film was edited much later. Early accounts of the film describe the final knockdown. The fight was stopped before the count was completed. Possible Burns could have risen
before the count of 10 but the KO was going to happen at some point anyway.
9 years ago lmao i wonder if you still have this blind mindset though you are partially right burns could've gotten up up and there was film of the knock out but the film was destroyed because of old racist people back then an even if he got up you'd be a fool to say johnson's victory wasn't inevitable
Johnson was a giant in comparison and was slaughtering burns start to finish.
@@bluecircle8960 So what was blind about my mindset? We do not know and will never know if Burns could have risen before the count of ten on the final knock down because the fight was immediately stopped by police. Also the KO was at the point just a matter of time as Johnson was winning easily. You seem to agree with everything I said.
@@andrewr62 well then maybe i miss judged you. Maybe not I can't tell. Anyways off topic but say you can pick any two fighters from any weightclass and any time period at their absolute peak both physically and skill wise who are you picking to make the absolute greatest fight of all time fictional boxers included
There was no knockdown when they stopped it
@@bluecircle8960 Burns was never knocked out
"You having fun yet mr" as he proceeds to clinch throwing hard shots and elbows to the face jack Johnsons inside game was unreal he knew exactly what he was doing using his size and reach to his ultimate advantage johnson would take out any heavyweight today past present future the guy was greater than Ali and faced more adversity out the ring than Ali ever did and Johnson loved it crazy guy he was.
beat ali?are u kidding me,ali would hit that dude with everything in the book and avoid being hit doing it,come on man get off the gas
beat the living shit out of toward the end...they cut the cameras off😩😂
Willard beat the shit outta Johnson.
Kept the cameras rolling.
@@TheBatugan77 Willard best a 38 year old Johnson 🤣
They locked Johnson up, and did not allow him to properly train. In Johnson’s prime he was the baddest man on the earth! That was the only way he was going to lose!
@@charleswilliams8248 wrong
@@kingkante2913
Right. Just like Johnson beat an aging, out of shape Jim Jeffries. It happens.
Jack johnson was built wow.
Jack Johnson vs Tommy Burns heavyweight championship of the world Dec 1908 Australia. Johnson followed Burns all over the world until finally catching up with Burns in Australia. Johnson was taller, bigger and stronger than Burns. Johnson talked to Burns during the fight, smiled and even waved at Burns at the end of round 8. Johnson was in command the entire fight. Finally in round 14, police stopped the camera and the fight, awarding Johnson the title. A really lopsided fight that should not have happened. I give credit to Burns for giving Johnson a chance at the title, but what a mistake!
he told him "hit me here tommy"pointing at his rib,that s*it killed me,i know that had burns hotter then fish grease
He got the equivalent of a million dollars...pretty good reason to fight
"I will defend my title against all comers, none barred. By this I mean white, black, Mexican, Indian, or any other nationality. I propose to be the champion of the world, not the white, or the Canadian, or the American. If I am not the best man in the heavyweight division, I don't want the title."-tommyburns also he was a natural middleweight fighting opponents way bigger
Mike Tyson,was Knocking fighters out in Seconds way Bigger.
Billy, Tyson was also roided up at 220 and had the machine behind him. He got his head knocked off by a 41-1 underdog and was excused by his fanboys as "past his prime" at 23, so yeah. Also, Burns took on the most dangerous fighter there was when nobody really expected him to, while Tyson stayed away from guys like Bowe, Tua, Foreman, and Morrison who might actually threaten him with power.
Jack Johnson the greatest boxer of all time! Bold, Black, and Beautiful! Unafraid in a very racist time! That’s what make Johnson the greatest! Nuff said.
where you wrong is when you said that "everybody can do it ", why don't everybody do it then to win ?? the answer is simply that its harder defend than to attack , everybody can attack throwing thousands punches in the air , but how many are smart enough to have the good timing for clinching and still being able to punch at the right time , cause you got to remember , Johnson was still knocking out people ,Hit without getting hit that's the name of the game, if u don't like it go watch ufc
@alltelman5 A lot of people might have got killed if the police hadn't stepped in and stopped the fight as the fight was very racially charged. You only have to look at what happened in the Tom Molineaux vs Toms Cribb fight in 1810 when the white local hero was in trouble in he's match.
@09bnunez lightweight manny paquiao
tommy burns was way smaller then him
So was tyson
Mike&Blair Burkhardt 1:Tyson never fought Jack Johnson
2: This comment like 6 years old lmaoooo
@@GrandMasterMace Tyson never fought no one. Only 4 hall of famers. One was an old Larry Holmes who bad been boxing for 20 years. One was Michael Spinks was moved up a weight class and was old. And the other 2 were Holyfield and Lewis and boy did they beat that ass.
Much smaller
boxrec.com/media/index.php/Tommy_Burns_vs._Jack_Johnson#:~:text=Johnson%20received%20%245%2C000%20and%20Burns,World%20Heavyweight%20Champion%20James%20J.&text=The%20force%20of%20the%20blow,had%20agreed%20to%20break%20clean.
It didn't occur to me before... but look at the third man in the ring, I mean the referee. He looks like a medic.. you know somebody that takes care of injured people. That's exactly what Burns needed during this fight! Johnson simply clobbered Burns into oblivion, laughing at the champion the entire first. In conclusion, Burns had a lot of confidence to accept the challenge, but Jack Johnson was a formiable opponent. Johnson was the heavyweight champion of the world from 1908-1915... it was the fight in Havana Cuba the ended his reign when Jess Willard knock out Johnson in the 26th round. It was a topic of controversy.. because Johnson insisted that he threw the first. Recently, somebody informed me that Johnson lied about that, I mean that he threw the fight. I thought he did, but I decided not to argue about it. Y'all keep watching them old fight films
He was the promoter and had no clue how to officiate
All that size and couldn't knock him out?
Size don’t mean KO
He was a counter puncher
yeah and some idiot said he could beat ali,thats not going to happen
@mrcjrowe Indeed, but one should admire his courage. He too could have avoided Johnson but chose not to. Racist he may have been at the time but too his credit turned his life around and became a christian preacher in his old age and preached against racism.
Racists get no credit from me lol fucking apologist.
Was never a racist
In the shadow of the Harbour Bridge & Opera House.
No opera house or bridge in 1908.
it's almost comical the way they danced around the ring back then. it's so different from today's fighters. I wonder how a good heavyweight from then would mach up with a good fighter of today..
Jack Johnson would beat Fury
I thought they were having fun 😂 i didn’t take them serious 🤣
Jack
Johnson spent a couple of days at hospital
After this fight ..
Visiting Burn vicitims?
Heh heh heh heh...
HEH HEH HEH HEH!
@@TheBatugan77recuperating from injuries hahahajaja
Here we go Stanley❤❤❤
не бокс, а сплошные обнимашки.
Kept saying heavier stronger even after clarifying they both weighed 212 pounds.
Burns was 5'7 168, way smaller than Johnson who was 6'2 and 212.
Johnson was 192 for this fight
@masterdelrap He'd Ko Tom Sharkey too.
He could of knocked him out first round LOL
Tommy Twists, Tommy Turns, Tommy Burns!!!
Mon the hoops.
@mrcjrowe but klitchko would ko him
Yea and Tyson would kill klitvchko in the first round
@@detroitcity27 Doubt it, both Klitschko would have KOed him.
Unfair fight, he's much bigger than Jack -_-
@@tylerrobbins8311 klitsko isn't on Tysons level LMFAO
@@darthvaderoftheredpill5196 Their records say both were better. Prime for Prime both have far better records than Tyson. In fact Vitali has the best of the three of them considering his only two losses were both controversial over injuries. He was winning both fights on points yet lost them due to injuries. Tyson was literally TOKed on multiple occations.
He was laughing the whole time
BOXE 🥊 1905
@truthhitmanisback I have read in several publications one was the NY Times describing the film and how it should be banned from the United States shortly after
the fight It described all the knockdowns including the final stoppage. Think about too,The carmera was several hundred feet away from the ring. You think the police from the ring could have instantly stopped the film at the very second Burns was falling? Not likely.
None of these guys appear to be able to throw straight jabs. It was odd.
the reason johnson let it go on for so long is because if he had knocked burns out in the early rounds the whites would say it was luck, he wanted to make sure they knew it was no fluke
The moment Burns stepped in the ring with those Funky Cheerleader Shorts on i knew he was in trouble.
@alltelman5
No reason to stop the cameras though. It was considered humiliation, and an image that would have stuck out in history.
Jack Johnson looks like a monster ..Burns looks like a kid in comparison.
Imagine if this was Ali Tyson Mayweather or foreman
Well?
Mismatch as Burns was more a cruiserweight...Johnson a Heavyweight
And we just seen a cruiserweight kick the shit outta the best heavyweight today..and the weight difference was greater as well
@@Bruins-vq5ey The best heavyweight today is Tyson Fury . Who would demolish Usyk....Joshua would win the rematch... occasionally a cruiserweight can beat a heavyweight. But Burns would never beat Johnson.. at least 5 inches smaller and conceding too much weight ... Did you know that Johnson mostly fought cruiserweights in his defences?
@@davidalexander5405 Johnson was a cruiserweight also..did you know that? Fury isn't the best heavyweight until he fights someone with skill...AJ has fought better competition than Fury
@@Bruins-vq5ey 12kg difference in weight .
@@davidalexander5405 if burns wasn't sick and at his usual 180 then it wouldn't have been that much 12 lbs..but height difference was a big factor
@masterdelrap You must be talking about Tommy Burns, not Jack Johnson. If Jack was around today then he would be even better and bigger than he was back in the day because he would have modern trainers, etc. If Klitschko DREAMED he beat Jack Johnson he'd wake up and apologize.
Looks like a heavyweight against a middleweight
Btw, do you think Johnson's thicker skull helped him absorb blows to the head... particularly rabbit punches?
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You fkn racist! GFY
Hate is love it’s all good your white wife loves us
What makes me so mad is Black fighters back then did not get to really show how good they really were because of such raciest white people many fights the Black man had to throw and let the white man win.. many black fighters were told to take it easy on the white fighters and not to knock them out until later in the fight because it could have caused a riot.. I can't imagine how difficult this had to be on Black fighters of that day.. We should all be Proud of some of the best fighters in the world are black.. My favorite was Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Sugar Ray Leonard, and my favorite of all Mike Tyson.. but there were so many black fighters of that day that couldn't become the world champions that they may have become because of raciest promoters.. if they were allowed and had the opportunity to fight the same way as white fighters I think we would be reading and talking about many many more Black world champion fighters.. It brings to mind Sonny Liston the police would not leave Liston alone they hated him and would harass him at every chance they could. but Liston handled it the best he could for years so he would not be banned from fighting.. I will never understand the world we live in but I am glad about one thing and that is being able to watch some of the most talented black fighters in the world get there chance to become world champions.. ruclips.net/video/awoLdM6bPp4/видео.html
The day racism was knocked out
Thanks to Burns
I was saying bu-urns
Johnson would have never lost if he went out to seek and destroy each person put in front of him as quickly as possible. He was a great defensive fighter also. Most of his fights he grew bored trying to keep the fight going as long as possible.
+Paul Fartbomb ... Johnson could've ended this fight after a couple of rounds, but toyed with Burns to inflict maximum punishment. A hint of sadism perhaps?
He wanted to punish Burns for ducking and dodging him for all those years, and because Burns made derogatory comments about him. Jack was out to prove a point!
Johnson was a coward who refused to take a risk by attacking an opponent if there was the slightest chance he'd get hit back. He criticized Jeffries for drawing the colour line, then promptly drew it himself against his own people. He should've been stripped of the title for refusing to defend against Sam Langford and Joe Jeannette.
The evil terrorist would have killed him if he beat everyone down
@@Section5_CdnIntelService you may be right. He tried attacking willard non-stop but willard blocked and outlasted him, then knocked dempsey out with one of the greatest punches in history
I'm a descendant of both Jack Johnson and Tommy Burns.
✋Hand to God🤚
Also, Wyatt, Virgil and Morgan Earp, Doc Holliday...and Bat Masterson.
How about Cheyenne Bodie?, Or Lucas mcCain??
harry wills didn't throw many punches
@mrcjrowe KLITCHKO WOULD KO JACK JOHNSON
rap RD
If klitchko my ass...Tyson would have destroyed this bum
@@smithchristopher5017 that wasn't what he said. You are right, though
If Johnson trainer like the heavyweights of today he’d wipe the floor with both your great hopes
No
Those were men.
klitchko wins by knock out
rap RD
If was a fifth we would all be drunk
Tyson kills klitchko in first tound
@@detroitcity27 LMFAO that’s literally the funniest thing I’ve ever seen
@@detroitcity27 Tyson would still get hurt if he fought Vitali or Wladimir
@@TheJokerx420 u might think it's funny,but both in there prime,tyson go break his ribs,he will kill him.only thing dude better do is not get close to tyson like buster did ,tyson knocked buster down as he got close u better stay far
@tafaricharles1 HAYE WOULD BEAT JACK JOHNSON ANYTIME
Burns is too small
What the fuck did I just see
Best to watch without the sound. This narrator is a nobhead who knows only what he's been told. One simple fact for instance, Burns weighed 168 and Johnson 194 (not 212). Johnson should've been cautioned for holding behind the arms, something he got away with in most of his fights. The referee was promoter Hugh McIntosh and had only a vague notion of the rules. Johnson was a caution fighter who hated to take risks (ducked Langford, Jeannette, etc.) so he held and hit in the clinches, often when he had his back to the ref.
USA! USA!
Jack whipped Tommy's
Australian ass.. 😐
Tommy was Canadian.
Tommy is huge near obese at 5'7 moving like that
Underweight and sick for this fight
LOL at the racist cops stopping the footage
Right! We still got to see Lil Artha whoop dat ass though!
One of Johnson's seconds later admitted he crawled under the ring to where the police sat and screamed "Stop the fight!"
That is one of the biggest myths in boxing. The original film was shown in Australia as well as on American navy
vessels. Write ups about the film tell of showing the final knockdown as well as the police entering the ring. The film was later edited by somebody who did not want to show the end. Not a racist cop but a racist editor.
It was in Australia what do you expect
Andrew they stopped the footage because of their racism and fragile ego stop your apologist history revisionist nonsense you are just as insecure as every beta male cuck in that crowd heck you are one of them.
@1899sharkey haye would ko jack johnson first round
This makes me feel sick and embarrassed to be a white man. Jack Johnson is a legend and a hero, I have him framed next to Ali and Tyson and Julio Cesar Chavez on my wall.
He’s ashamed of the insecurity and racism displayed during this period where there egos were so fragile and their dicks were so small they felt the need to go on a killing spree of African Americans because jack johnson beat their great white hope that is shameful in the true sense.
Although Australia was in an apartheid. The masses were all non colored hahahaha. Classic.
@masterdelrap This fight took place over 100 years ago. If Johnson was around in mordern times then he would fight even better, and most probably be even bigger. David Haye wouldn't even be able to hit Johnson with a handfull of rice LOOOOL
JACK JOHNSON by KO
Aye very good
david haye would knock them both out
@andrewr62 If you say so... But one thing for certain is the fact that racist old Tommy Burns get beat like a little boy.
Tommy wasn't obligated to fight Johnson. He could have turned his back like Johnson did with Sam Langford and Joe Jeannette, but he had the guts to accept the challenge and give a shot to a man everyone around him said to ignore.
@Char Char Binks Even though whites were the instagators of racism lynching blacks for fun with their families and children watching
typical blaming others for your own racism and trying to spin shit
fuck you
Tommy burns was the only boxer who wasn't racist
You fuckin dumbass
Wasn't racist... Foolish bigoted comment
Burns was not french Canadian
Video side by side of louis era compared to 70s-90s foreman fought on my page, shows the 70s-90s were way more advanced in angles used/defense/timing/tech and fought smarter
Klitchsko couldn't even knock out David Haye LOOOOL
Jack Johnson beats the Klitschkos like Joe Louis beat Primo carnera. lol
Fuck off. What a load of pish
Carnera wasnt a good boxer
He only have muscle
mayweather Jr would distroy JJ...it's kinda sad,,,,he ducked fights and fought smaller,sometimes waaay smaller opponents
JJ ducked fights???????????? you serious?????? up until this fight no white champions would break the color line and let blacks fight for the belt so no
RealDj
You're beyond delusional my dude... 😕😂
I don't even know where to begin.. 😞😔
Are you trying to say skill for skill, if they where hypothetically closer in height and in the same weight class? 🤔
Then would could talk some sense and reason.
Yeah. Johnson hated to take any chances. He preferred fighting smaller guys like Burns, Ketchel, O'Brien and Flynn or inept journeymen like Kaufman, Moran and Jim Johnson. He hated Joe Louis because he wanted to be the ONLY black heavyweight champion.
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You're very ignorant of history, and sadly misinformed.
Burns, the man in this fight studied and trained with black fighters and trainers, was married to a black woman, had mixed race children, and was very close personal friends with Jack Johnson before and forever after this fight.
They always spoke very highly of each other and promoted one another as young men and into Old Age.
good defensive fighter, yup and pretty easy when you tower over most guys, and your opponents have short arms and they are mostly middleweights. what do you think would happen when you put a hwt in with a middleweight. anyone could guess the outcome. JJ highly over rated. And how many Black fighters did he take on? He showed how good he was when a mediocre hwt named J Williard knocked the bum out. any one his size with some skill would no doubt have ended his career quickly. sorry can't go along with him being a great fighter at all.
actually if it helps they both had the same reach
Did you ask yourself why those middleweights wanted to be heavyweight champions?
@@joaoii1082 No response to your legitimate counter point? 🤔 He must know he isn't able to defend his claim, as an arm chair analyst. 😂
He must not have paid attention during the fight.
Burns was no joke, and he fought and trained out of Detroit Michigan.
These guys are playing chess with their feet!
He says JJ has no defense?
How many times did he sit into his lean and GET UNDER the right hand of a man THAT MUCH SHORTER than himself in this fight? 🤔😂
These men here with Joe Gans and the rest of the unappreciated men from this era, laid the ground work for ALL of the fighters in later eras, and that's a fact.
@@aiyahuntacheimumbi236 exactly
Can't help but wonder how many times Tommy burns probably said the N Word in this fight
Tommy Burns was not even his weight class. Jack Johnson was 6'1 and heavier, this is why Jack Johnson followed Tommy Burns everywhere. Easy fight.
@@joogmeister3411 he was his weight height class back then 👐
@@kinginblack3321 Tommy was 5'7, and Jack was 6'1. Do you know what kind of advantage that was? Or is that too much for you to process in your tiny, receding, skull. God. Jack was an actual Fraud. There were White Fighters who were taller and more fierce back then, but never fought. He was an excellent Fraud. Not fighter.
@@kinginblack3321 God. You are dense. Are you going to f'ing reply?
@@joogmeister3411 did u seriously try to restart a week old disagreement?
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*Sigh*🤦
Listen lady
Tommy burns fought guys bigger than him an a normal basis
And alot of em he knocked out
If Jack Johnson was so bad he could have did to him what he did to them but he couldn't u know why?
Cuz jack Johnson's better than him
:)
in these days people put on a fake fight like ufc.. prepaid and pre-trained fight.. but when johnson came in unable to be paid out under the table.. he made the entire sport of boxing become a real thing over the inferior fake old boxing style..
omnidouchebag...👈👺
Sober up. And lay off the street drugs. You pathetic putz.
@@TheBatugan77 dispensary weed only thanks lol but i see you are admiting guilt to your life as you consider that a insult..
@@TheBatugan77 Shut yo BITCH ass up 💯💪🏽