Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2011
- Championship. Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran. Referee: Georges Carpentier. Jun. 27, 1914. Velodrome d'Hiver, Paris, France.
Джек Джонсон против Фрэнка Морана, 27 июня 1914 г., 1, 5, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 19 и 20-ый раунды, победа Джонсона (PTS). 
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This is much better film quality than the other Johnson fights around
robby rensenbrink im sure some improvements had been made in video from 1908 to 1914. plus. the lighting (fighting indoors with less sun light to fad out the image) made it much more easier to get the best lighting.
Crazy I'm watching this in 2020. The endurance is incredible.
Yes, great endurance.
Jack Johnson
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de JIm Jeffries
@El Tigre You're not wrong but how else you going to go that many rounds? I wouldn't want to be the tired guy in a 20-40+rd fight lol
They didn't have processed foods and high fructose corn syrup
Men were cut from a different cloth back in the day.
Looking at this video is very eerie because the very next day was Sunday, June 28, 1914, the day on which Gavrilo Princip shot the Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo,, Bosnia. This led to World War 1 and changed the course of history..
Nobody at this match knew they were fighting just a few hours before an earth-shattering event.
+CrateofStolenDirt ...Either way, it's still an earth-shattering, as stated, or a monumental event...
And it still started it...
Stupid comment!
Crateof Stolen???--It did indeed lead to WW1.
There is wars and suffering of innocent people in ever period in history till now. Maybe your media is not telling you about illegal wars and killing of innocent people that is happening right now. So in that prospective there is nothing special about that match . So chill!!!
Nobody GivesAShit, Jay...
Jack was 36-years old at the time of this fight. Frank Moran was 26 and nobody's pushover. He had an impressive record going into this championship fight with Johnson and gave a good account of himself in this fight. Imagine a 20-round championship fight today! Jack would have handled himself well in any era of boxing. He was that great!
I don't know dude. Johnson's style of fighting would be tremendously outdated against many of todays fighters going back to the 194Os. Johnson wouldn't be hard to find and he didn't let his hands go until their was a clinch. I would've whooped him long distance, from the outside. Jab all night.
If he had modern nutrition and boxing skills he could last in any era boxing has evolved alot
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@@bayareaknight4814 you wouldnt do shit ,johnson had that rear hand that parried any goofy ass jab that went his way, he also was very very good at landing his own jab ,your face would look like it was put in a meat grinder ,he fights similar to tommy loughran but with power, in fact ive said tommy would be a perfect fighter if he had power that fighter is jack johnson!
@@bayareaknight4814 lmfao dork
3 oz. gloves and no mouthpieces... wow !
They had mouth pieces since the late 1800's, it wasn't enforced to wear it.
@@JENDALL714 I was speaking specifically of the johnson\moran fight, not whether or not mouth pieces were enforced... but thanks for the info.
You can learn a lot watching this. Especially the clinch fighting. Jack Johnson’s double over position was dominant.
it's amazing to read the comments because most clearly don't understand what there watching. These fighters fought 40 rounds sometimes and what you see as holding and clinching is very fierce infighting a lost art to most modern day fighters. Johnson was a defensive master of blocking, feinting, and parrying punches. He would tie and opponent up in knots constantly frustrating them slowly breaking them down. Heavyweights fighting with 5 ounce gloves man you better clinch one punch could knock your teeth out. Most of the comments on here don't have a clue about the sweet science. The men of these times would laugh at a 12 round fight and 12 ounce pillow gloves with fighters getting fatigued after 10 rounds. Modern fighters have evolved the techniques of boxing but they fail miserably in the hidden tangibles separating the Greats from the good. A guy once said to me a 500lb Bengal tiger would destroy a 300lb lion......I said your young you don't understand fighting. A Bengal tiger is a solitary creature while a lion is raised in a pride fighting since he was a cub. All the scars on his face is the fighting experience over many years as he would destroy the tiger. I tell you young people this the 80 to 100 fights the boxers had in this era would allow them to toy with modern day fighters it wont even be close. So sad people have no clue what there witnessing here pure brilliance by a true great!
Shorten those posts, Bry.
No one reads your incessant drivel anyway.
i read the post of Bryant.
this fight is difficult to watch. their technique is strange.
how it happened that Stanley Ketchel caught Johnson so well?
So if Mike Tyson or another modern heavyweight hit them with 5oz gloves it wouldn't hurt them? I agree they were tougher because they fought alot more too. But that doesn't make your jaw tougher and keep you from getting knocked out. Modern fighters have alot more science and modern training on their side.
A tiger would fuck up a lion
Calm down bro it ain't that serious
The narrator makes a good point about its being not long after the bare-knuckle era. There was a lot of stalking, occasional flurries of activity, and roughhousing that would have been grappling (permitted) in bare-knuckle boxing. Techniques which are standard today -- jabbing and throwing fast combinations -- were being worked out in Jack Johnson's time. Johnson's stance -- front leg straight out, leaning back -- was very much the way bare-knuckle fighting was done.
20 rounds! Just imagine going 20 rounds for a world title. I have great respect.
truly fascinating on so many levels; thank you for posting this
As a former amateur and pro, with forty years in the game, I hear a lot of talk about nutrition etc and modern training. I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that my generation of fighters would not have been good enough to enter the ring with the likes of Johnson. You have to know what to look for in fights. I can see things that nobody in today's fight game can do: cherry picking, arm control and touching a fighter to stop him being able to hit. In the last 70 years, only Larry Holmes could do that. Old time fighters were a different breed! When Joe Louis was King, there was 3000 pro heavies in the US. There are not that many pro fighters on the Earth, today.
Gutter Fighter I agree jack Johnson was a damn good fighter and would beat a lot of these new fighters.
Gutter Fighter. They dont build them like they use too ..these old timers were just strong and durable
Everyone's an internet badass.
Today's athletes don't compare to athletes just 50 years ago. In the 1960's pitchers in baseball regularly pitched complete games and pitched every fourth day. Today's pitchers rarely throw a complete games and have an extra days rest. WHY???
This is typical bias the older effete generation develops to protect rhier ego as they cannot contend with dismal reality that their 15 minutes of fame was long ago and they are forgotten.
98 years ago...amazing
A 14 year old boy watching this fight...would be 120 years old today!
Jack Johnson was one of the GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHTS ever. Fast hands and amazing defense!
Nope. He was not. Throw out what you have been told and watch him with a fresh eye. He backs strait back everytime he is rushed . Hits the holds and uses infighting that would be considered illegal today. He had 5 defenses , against a middleweight who almost knocked hom out, against a former champion who hadn't fought in 7 years and dropped 120 pouns and against 3 journey men one who he almost lost to and fought to a draw. Then he was knocked out by a fighter who was not considered to be skilled at the time. His greatness is a case of people hearing something said over and over and not doing their own research.
Watch this link about Johnson
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No he didn't have much competition. Jack Dempsey would have destroyed him.
@@tommygun5038 Dempsey probably would beat him soundly, and I like JJ.
@@eddraconiandratha177 Well I've been around and studied the sport extensively. And every great heavyweight had flaws... some very glaring ones even. Ali also had terrible habits of backing straight up and keeping his hands down. Also limited power. And I think prime Ali (Clay) was the greatest heavyweight of all time. Perhaps even the greatest P4P, as he fought at 194 when he humiliated Liston. But the greats can overcome these flaws because what they do right, they do overwhelmingly right.
Dempsey wasn't the same once he wasn't hungry anymore. And I mean hunger both figuratively and literally in his case. This has decayed many a great fighter. Was he the one who coined the phrase: "It's hard to keep getting up and running in the morning when you're wearing silk underwear"...? But anyhow in his prime I'd put him in my top 10. Great footwork and ambidextrous, allowing him to switch stances seamlessly and throw combinations from angles guys just didn't see back then. Similar to Tyson in that regard. Elusive head too, especially for the time... time he was way ahead of. Power to spare and tough as hell. You could knock the guy down but he'd get up... every time.
Mike Tyson & Larry Holmes may be the most all around technically sound heavyweights I've seen... in their primes. Of course from the time Mike fired Rooney his skills eroded. People that claim he was just a brawler or a bully... they're the type that don't know boxing. Floyd Patterson too, no coincidence that he was also trained by Cus. But he lacked top end power.
Lennox Lewis would have KOed Johnson in 1 round.
Taking nothing away from the guys that fought back then but Moran just came in, head down, throwing haymakers. That style was totally made for Johnson's superb uppercut. You could tell Willard had studied the films of Johnson fighting before their fight, he leaned back like Johnson and held Johnson at bay with his long arms.
I attended that lively contest. It was a rather robust affair between two willing combatants. The next day history was written.
How are you still alive
Lol, this dude is 120 years old.
@@lainiwakura4678 Barely looks a day over 115.
@@Goku_Kiyosaki Well it could have been a previous life...
Jack Johnson would have been an amazing MMA fighter. His clinch game was beautiful here. Q
You're on to something. MMA has much in common with boxing as it existed under The London Prize Ring Rules. Under those regulations, rounds did not end until someone was knocked down, a boxer could throw his opponent to the ground, grabbing someone's hair with one hand and pummeling him with your other hand was allowed. These were bare knuckle fights, no gloves or hand wrappings. These were usually finish fights, in other words, battles that continued until someone was knocked out or could no longer continue. Kicking was not allowed. When a round ended, you went back to your corner and had 30 seconds to rest and recover. Then you returned to the center of the ring and placed your foot on a marked out line and begin fighting again. This was called toeing the mark or coming to scratch. John L Sullivan became heavyweight champion under those rules and lost the title under our modern system in 1892. Many people believe MMA is a new thing, actually it has a lot in common with the past.
@@timothyhughes1904 Thanks for the lesson in history.
He was way ahead of his Time. 1love
Good eye. Boxing now looks different because of huge gloves [which cover the center]. This is why Jack fights more like an MMA fighter, but most people don't understand. Even the stance changes with small gloves.
With 3 ounce gloves, it's amazing more men weren't killed in the ring back then. In some of those fights, there was no limit to the number of rounds fought, as the fight wasn't over until one of the fighters surrendered, was knocked out, or was too badly injured for the fight to continue. Those were brutal times. That celluloid film is in remarkable condition considering it is 109 years old.
Thing is with lighter gloves the hands weren’t well protected which meant they had to be careful not to break a knuckle. Modern gloves protect the hands much more making it possible for boxers punch the living daylights out of each other without worrying about hand damage, so in one way it’s worse now than it was then.
@@frankierandle8779 with those thin gloves, more energy was transferred with each punch. I think what makes the punches more damaging today, is that the fighters are much stronger, faster, and much heavier. Back in the day, most heavyweight fighters were well under 200 pounds. Look at the speed, power and ferocity of Mike Tyson when he was in his prime. There is no comparison to the fighters of the 1800s.
@@Mbartel500 yes that’s right although there are exceptions - when Dempsey fought Willard he was 14 st but still gave away 3st to Willard at 17st.
@@frankierandle8779 i did say most…which means not all were under 200 pounds. Jack Johnson was over 200 pounds and over 6 feet tall. He was literally a giant in his era.
Thank you soooo much for video
Great upload thank you. It’s fun to watch this sparring match between the great Jack Johnson and a tough middleweight 👍🏿
7:45 Moran lands a shot and begins grinning , jack applauds lol
7:45
Then Moran sticks his hand out for a hand shake. Lol
saw this comment, scrolled up to skip ahead. Was already on 7:44. Pointless but true
Amazing quality footage for 1914! its incredible how fighters used to be conditioned for 20 plus rounds. the guys today wouldn't even come close to being ready, trained, and seasoned for such long and grueling fights. round after round, there was no neutral corner after a knockdown rule either which different became part of the rules until the mid to late 1920's!
Man, you got to be kidding. The pace these guys are boxing isn't even remotely what it is today. HWs of today would merc these guys in less than three rounds. JJ is a legend of his time but would be helpless today.
RTC1655 Jack Johnson wasn’t really even focused or gave very much attention to the pace of this particular fight here.....he was one of the greatest defensive fighters of any era....at this point in the timeline of his career, Jack was less interested about keeping up with the top contenders and even his training was less intense. Honestly, if you’re viewing this film as a bases for Jack Johnson’s talent and amazing gift as a fighter, you need to watch other fights from earlier years, and watch interviews and do more research....because The great Jim Jeffries said after losing to Johnson (who was maybe at the end of his prime) in 1910, “I couldnt have ever caught Johnson, not even at my best, not in a million years!” Plus Johnson was the one who gave former Heavyweight champion German Max Schmeling the key to the legendary Joe Louis’ weakness in 1936 while watching films of Joe fighting! If ANYONE could fight defensively and slip punches, back up (which is not something one should do in the ring, (ive tried it myself - i used to box and do martial arts) unless you are Muhammed Ali, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Robinson, or Sugar Ray Leonard. “Frankly”, Frank Moran was a brawler who didnt know how to fight very well technically.....
boxing back then was about endurance and stamina
Sure wasn't about hitting.
You all have to remember that one hundred years of boxing science, training and style techniques and fitness followed Jack Johnson. Jack Johnson won his World Title against Canadian Tommy Burns at Rushcutters Bay in my hometown, Sydney, Australia. The site, originally was built out of timber for a 'two-man show' to get around local authorities, remained a stadium until the 1960's. It was the largest gate to the day. Now it's now an elevated train line. I remember going to the stadium many times in my younger days.
The first modern boxer/fighter World Champion was Jack Dempsey and the first, truly scientific boxer who became World Champion was Gene Tunney, a former US Army heavyweight champion. He defeated Jack Dempsey twice. Gene Tunney became a lawyer and I think, a US Congressman, as did his son Gene Jr. I travelled to New York to have a dinner at Jack Dempsey's Restaurant on Broadway. Was on my Bucket List?
Boxing and its traditions do get into your blood!
Great narration .It is like looking at a fight as it actually happens .
Try and imagine that most of us today have the privilege of watching fights streamed on television but back then audiences only could listen by radio if they weren’t actually at the arenas. Wow!
thank God somebody though to film these old fights!
Moran's record was 26-9-4 prior to this fight. Both men used standard 6 ounce gloves as was the case of most of the previous 30 years.
3oz he said
.@@scottthefunk He makes a number of mistakes
Georges Carpentier, the famous French boxer (and WW1 Hero) is the referee for this fight. He would win the world light heavyweight title but famously get knocked out by Jack Dempsey for the heavyweight title. Interestingly enough, Carpentier, fighting in the U.S., was the fan favorite against Dempsey, as many fans saw Dempsey as a draft dodger.
Apart from Johsnons KO loss to Willard I believe this was his toughest title defense (at least on film). Moran had his moments.
JJ usually fought men much smaller than him. Middleweights, an occasional lt heavy. Goes to show you he was not as great as he was made out to be. I think he fought 3 maybe 4 legit hwts. And he also ducked all the good black fighters of his era. What great champ does that.
@@hdvictoryford5329 I respect JJ's accomplishments especially in lieu of the hostile environment he faced because of his race. But I too have difficulty ranking him talent and ability wise as one of the best of all time. The opponents he faced and didn't face during his reign to me is very telling. I wonder too if modern fans who hold his abilities in such high esteem would feel differently of film existed of his title defenses against middle weight Jack O'Brien or against the very average Jim Johnson both of whom by all accounts did very well against Johnson.
@@andrewr62 Good thoughts. I appreciate your objectivity. You have me thinking as well if those fights would be around. Or the fight he had with C Choy who knocked him cold. Appreciate your comments.
@@hdvictoryford5329 He would have been smoked if he fought Sam Langford for the title. Johnson was innovative and a good fighter but was really not even the greatest of his time, and cherry-picked opponents. Fighters like Dempsey, Gibbons or Louis would have done away with Johnson easy
Maybe ducked them while champ but he fought them and defeated them before he was champ
Holy cow I have often wondered what black people could have done with out the hate,I still shed a tear for Josh Gibson!
Doubt they would have been as great without the pressure!
Don't bring your racism here ahole.
Rick Higson: my dad saw Josh Gibson play in PR and said he was the greatest hitter he ever saw!
20 rounds! That’s impressive. Johnson would have been a good wrestler.
Thanks for posting this. It's very interesting to see a fight that's over 100 years old and a piece of boxing history and fought the day before the events that started WW1.
I was a bit surprised at the action. I thought there would be a lot more of it. Today's fighters would whoop these guys. I had expected just the opposite.
J.Johnson was a true great of the ring,.. Great defense, and superb power and catlike reflexes..made him a formidable opponent..and definitely in the top 6 of ALL-TIME
A guy with zero guard doesn't have 'great defence' in my book
@@RTC1655 read a book on boxing then, hopefully one that starts with parrying and arm trapping.
On my birthday 🎉 and Mike Tyson fought on my Birthday on June 27 I’m just now seeing this Jack Johnson fought on my birthday 🎉💪🏾 I see why I love doing boxing 🥊
EVERYTIME I watch Johnson fight, I can't help but think Andersson Silva tailored his style after him, they fight almost a like.
Even though the fight was scheduled for 20 rounds, these rounds appear to be 2 minutes instead of the 3 minute rounds we have today.
20 x 2 = 40 minutes. 12 x 3 = 36. Only 4 minutes difference or 1.3 extra 3 minute rounds more in time).
Hey rsmorodinov! Thanks for posting this amazing piece of boxing treasure. Exclnt clarity. Good commentary, too.
Boxing styles then were adapted to extremely long bouts. Three rounds of amateur boxing is very taxing, I know from experience. 20 rounds is way beyond the capacity of most men.
Johnson paced himself for the long haul. But he could have adapted his style to 15 round matches. He could have learned to box with his hands up, elbows in, and work off his jab rather than stick and hold. Anyway, its just not possible to compare his ability to that of guys who came 100 years later.
PS Jason Richards gives us very interesting information. However, the actual shooting in WWI didn't begin until August 1914. Those idiot kings in Europe had plenty of opportunity to avoid what is the stupidest war in World History. (With his lies abt WMDs, #WarCriminal Bush 43 started the most dishonest war in World History.)
Respect to all the black athletes back than so we can continue our greatness today
Must have been pretty hard for those guys. Most modern dark skin athletes get the money but don't even come close to to the men those guys were.
@Steve Witte Wow, you are really unpleasant. Why?
Not against Tyson Fury.
Does anyone know what year this fight occurred?
Built like Tyson, but at 6ft 2 (maybe 3) inches!!
An athletic phenomenon with an advantage physically that very few ever just naturally possess...A great among World Heavyweight Boxing Champions...
The Mike Tyson, Big George Foreman, or Sonny Liston of his age and era...and a truly legendary character to go with it. A true Boxing Legend.
Johnson was only 6' 1/2", weighed 192 when he beat burns, 200 in later prime so was nowhere near as muscular as the 5'10-11" 215-220 pound Tyson.
@@DrLeroyArch I would not include Tyson with these boxers, he was a freak of nature fighter.
Johnson certainly had a great boxers body!...He and Ken Norton looked similar in musculature and reach...Jack fought his best at about 208...Remember, he was already 30 when he finally won the Belt!...many fighters are past their prime by then...but Johnson had a rather contained, economical style of boxing, he really knew how to pace himself...I think this helped him last as long as he did...losing a title at 37 is no disgrace!
20 rounds
That just " SOUNDS " FREAKY
Someone's having a laugh, this has to be Charlie Charlie Charles from the Fast Show 😭😃😂😅🤣
Mutiple not sane people on forums said this man could beat guys like frazier/ali/liston/rocky yet never fought guys as advanced as fighters those guys fought
This looks trash
CRAZY NOW IS 2020 I THINK I'M BACK IN FUTURE WATCHING BOXES
Thanks for posting this and to such good quality. It does demonstrate the old stule with low hands and straight Back with Head also held back. Also, notice that both are flat-footed and this effects their lack of elusiveness. It also shows how exaggerated is the historical evidence of Johnson's 'scientific' approach etc. The Galveston Giant, as he was called by Nat Fleischer. Er, no.
For those who are interested, the commentator is Steve Holdsworth (UK).
You no nothing
Jack Johnson is very unorthodox in his defense, but you Ali and Foreman a little in it. He leans back like Ali (only two to do it consistently without getting punished) and catches punches with his gloves like Foreman did when he first came on the scene. You do see alot of clinches in old-school fights though, a hold over from the bare knuckle era where sometimes whole rounds would be clinching and wrestling.
A close fight as Johnson looked a little fatigued from 15th round on. Good thing that he dominated the early half of the fight...
Commentator was wrong, Moran wasn't undefeated at all prior to this fight.
Both of these fighters would be slaughtered by today's heavyweights. There is no way we can compare the outdated boxing styles of those years with those of today though. Johnson was a tough guy. By today's standards his skills were very limited.
Mutiple not sane people on forums said this man could beat guys like frazier/ali/liston/rocky yet never fought guys as advanced as fighters those guys fought
This looks trash
Amazing how modern looking the film quality is. Silent movies used to look jerk and everyone moved super fast. No more.
Folks in comments are comparing these fighters to modern fighters. This is ridiculous. It’s like comparing a chess champ from modernity with those from 100 years ago. Pointless as the game progresses and players have higher rankings now. Players, fighters, and athletes progress over time. Strategy, nutrition, sports science, technology, training, coaching, etc. etc. improve over time. Just like planes are faster now. To ponder who was the greatest of all time, in any endeavour, one would have to rank an individual’s superiority over the competition of their time. The historical record indicates that nobody was close to Johnson in his time. This dispute the fact there was a bias against him since he was black. By virtue of his record, his superiority and length of time he was champion, Jack Johnson clearly was one of the greatest boxers of all time. Naturally he wouldn’t stand a chance over a modern athlete.
Yes he would.
Cut the crap, son.
Blah BLAH Blah bias BLAH Blah BLAH Blah BLAH Blah BLAH Blah BLAH eras Blah BLAH Blah BLAH Blah BLAH black Blah BLAH Blah BLAH Blah BLAH... Zzzzz...😪😴
@@TheBatugan77name the guys who made amatuer/mid fighting like these guys in 70s-90s
Good commentating on this fight
The background crowd audio is on a loop
The entire audio was dubbed in. All they had was silent films in 1914.
@@TheBatugan77 June 27, 1914, you simp who can't read.
Glad to see very old boxing
A lot of people have a hard time accepting Jack as being one of the greatest heavyweights ever. Just think about it, a black man in the 1900 ,with a all but not so nice kkk audience watching the fight. He was called everything in the book,and still whip Big Jim's ass. It's sad to know that the kkk is still watching.
Oh god, quit it with that shit. In the early 20th century there were literally millions of KKK members, compared to today with way less than even 10,000.
... watching you closely, mikey...
It's not a lot of people. He was one of the greats but had a lot of losses/draws. Marciano and Calzaghe for instance never lost.
Jack was a pioneer, but he also set back blacks in boxing too. He trolled the whites by dating white women, wearing flashy clothes and generally not giving AF. So that brought extra heat and some fuel for closing championship boxing down to black people for a while after jack. I would put Joe Louis as the real pioneer that led to true opening in heavyweight boxing. Johnson def seemed like more fun though 🙂
Beautiful video. Johnson was accurate with fast and sneaky jabs, rights and uppercuts, while nullifying the opponent. Hit and not get hit!
Moran one tough guy to go the distances against Johnson.
Fabulous - HE was GREAT JACK J. Beautiful body for a HUGE boxing STATUE x
Frank Moran went on to a long career in Hollywood, appearing in many films now regarded as classics. Among the illustrious directors who cast him were Charlie Chaplin, Raul Walsh, Frank Capra and Preston Sturges- the latter in numerous roles. In the 1933 picture The Prizefighter and the Lady, Moran is introduced as himself in a pre-fight ring sequence along with Jim Jeffries and several other old-time boxing luminaries.
Is that the one with Max Baer and Primo Carnera?
@@tintomara6209 Yes. It's a corny picture, but Baer performs deftly. Carnera is given little to do. The final match between the two resembles the one from the first Rocky film- Max takes a shellacking in the early rounds but fights back when his girl turns up at ringside. The bout is declared a draw, and Carnera retains his title.
@@vestibulate Cheers man,I'd still love to see it,corny or not!
@@tintomara6209 Here it is-
ok.ru/video/558638762736
Enjoy!
@@vestibulate Thank you sir! I am sure I shall enjoy every second!
Moran gave a good account of himself. He also fought against Willard for the title. The results were not much different.
Alex Kerr, animal trainer who has worked with both lions and tigers, stated in his book that tigers will nearly always win in a fight with a lion.
that is a beautiful ring..
As I commented on the post underneath this one, I saw in my peripheral vision the footwork of the fighters.
Normally, I'd be distracted by the punches they were throwing, but here all I could see were their legs moving around the ring.
And now it's clear: A boxing match really is a kind of dance. (Sure, it's a dance with bad intentions, but....)
Johnson was a puncher's nightmare.
Johnson could fight backing up like Ali always in position not a dancer but perfect timing if he needed counter controled the tempo of the fight almost impossible too hit!? You could sense the hesitantcy of Moran when he tried to penetrate Johnson’s defense!!Why was he so good and confident because Johnson learned how to fight by putting ten men in the ring together and the last man standing was the winner so he became a great defensive and offensive fighter ! ! He looked too me like he was not even trying to exert himself but if he had to he could have knocked Moran out any time he wanted to.! I am an ex amateur boxer and I also sparred with professional boxer’s some things are just instinctive ! !👍🏼👍🏼🥊🎯🧐😊
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Wow, look how Johnson cuts off the ring over 100 years ago .
If they must insist on adding modern commentary to old fight footage,they should at least research the fighters properly.Jack Johnson beat Tommy Burns for the title,not Stanley Ketchel.Ketchel came later,s.m.h.
Carpentier could have only been 20 years old when he refereed this fight.
wow Johnson made 21 defenses of the "Colored Heavyweight Championship" and I never heard of that before!
He also had a great KO streak at one time or another, I'm sure it was surpassed but it was a feat for the day, when these fighters fought every month, sometimes more.
The reason why The Colored Heavyweight Championship was created was because of the racist belief, during that time period, that The World Heavyweight Championship should belong to a white man.
20 rounds? You think Jack Dempsey would take Johnson 20 rounds? Dempsey came at you, both these men wave their arms around, no hard jab.
youre stupid johnson had a jab and landed it OFTEN , he would do a prime Dempsey worse than Tunney did him(
@@samtotheg
No need for name calling.
You pathetic putz.
@@TheBatugan77 dumbass you couldn't help yourself
@@samtotheg 👈👺 Watch it, son!
Their defense is slick, lots of feinting and switching up timing to land jabs. Lots of clinching and fighting coming in and out of the clinch. Jersey joe Walcott and Floyd Mayweather did a lot of this I wonder if they're fans of Johnson
Mayweather doesn’t really show much respect to any fighter who has a single loss, but that may just be publicly.
Imagine this today. A 20 round heavy weight fight. Most can't last ten!
@Baby Doc Duvalier Nah, he only forgets that it's the amount of punches that counts, not the amount of rounds. HWs of today do probably punch nearly twice as hard as these guys and with a much higher punch output.
I think you are wrong. If jack Johnson was a seventies fighter like around the ali, frazier, foreman etc times, he would have being big trouble for all fighters of that time. Back in Jack Johnson days they TRAINED completely different and had not got the proper facilities as they had in then modern era.
Different fight game then, smaller gloves, you can hit your opponent before he got up after a knockdown.
No, you had to wait until (at least) his gloves were off the floor. The only difference was that you didn't have to retire to a neutral corner, and there was no standing eight count or three knockdown rule.
Looks more like a wrestling match to me
Mutiple not sane people on forums said this man could beat guys like frazier/ali/liston/rocky yet never fought guys as advanced as fighters those guys fought
This looks trash
I like Johnson's head movements and he's great in the clinch...but I can't see him winning against Louis, Walcott, Charles, Ali, possibly Liston and Dempsey too, and maybe Frazier, Tunney and Schmeling. I think he could beat only Marciano, Lewis, Foreman and Tyson of the greats, if he avoided to be knocked out of course
Larry Holmes said he could have beaten all of the old-time fighters except Jack Johnson.
any sportsmen today would win against their one century ago equivalent. It is useless to compare.
Jack Johnson was great, but Lewis would have destroyed him. I find it strange that Lewis still is so underrated. He was quite likely the best HW of all time.
So interesting, in that, this style resembles fencing.
Boxing . The roots and beginnings are in fencing.Historically..
7.9.2021
how beautifull the video
Agreed, Lilly, great video. Are you, by any chance, related to Frank Moran?
Schedule for 20 rounds insane
@goodenlg Actually, Hopkins and Mayweather, James Toney, use one hand up, other down as was used starting in the 30's-40's, as well as similar defense. Modern boxing started around then. Roy Jones, like Ali, relied on superior reflexes and speed, like Johnson. Johnson did slip punches, but used the sidestep to do so, nothing else. his offense looks weird when he comes forward, but his countering looks good.
Be unbeatable today.
Johnson was a clutch and grab artist and Moran was a dirty fighter when given a chance.
To be fair, he was past it against Willard, and he had to be a lazy type fighter because of the sheer # of rounds and fights then. He liked to clinch because it tired opponents and conserved his own. And he was doing well till he got KO'd against Willard. And, he was the one who exposed Louis's flaws. And, Louis's trainer himself said that Johnson would 'win any day of the week' against Louis
FANTASTIC VIDEO!! THANKS!!
Juggling Taxi 🚖 I love ❤️ Jake Johnson he may be the greatest fighter of all time, but they gave him a hard time.
don't kno what the commentator was talkin' 'bout.
Moran had won 28(19ko) of 39(3ko losses) when this fight took place
Looks more like a wrestling match to me.
I was there. Second row on the right. Whith my dad now Im 114 yrs young
Gustavo Driotez how is the old man doing? Still in good health?
Moran had won 2 straight fights coming into the Johnson fight.He lost to Gunboat Smith in 1912.He was LWNDNDWW-Then lost a 20 round decision to Johnson.
Why hasn't Hollywood made a film about Johnson???
Moran had nine losses on his record prior to fighting Johnson. He was considered one of the best of the white hopes, but Gunboat Smith was better. Two years later he challenged champion Jess Willard and lost again in a dismal showing.
I'm not a fight expert, but to believe that modern fighters have the style, strength, and the speed to beat the older fighters may be a misconception. Modern fight technology would give a fighter an edge but we must understand men of those times where a lot stronger than the average modern man. Also all or most of the training, and style techniques used by fighters such as Ali, Foreman, Frazier, even Klitschko were learned by old trainers that fought during these times. For example go back and look at the second Ali vs. Liston fight, the "anchor punch" Ali used was learned from Step and Fetch it, an entertainer who learned the technique from Jack Johnson. Just something to think about.
i think you can only compare them if you give them the same nutrition etc
I disagree. As far as training is concerned what is different today? Sparring, speed bag, heavy bag, weights, road work? Turn of the century fighters fought much more often than modern fighters so they were in shape. How many fighters today
could fight 20 rounds plus? Speed? You speak as though all fighters today are experts of technique, master of skill with KO power and hand speed. This is simply not the case. There's a thing called talent which is rare. As rare today as it was then.
@drpacman Get off the nutrition shit man. You sound like an idiot. Do Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffries look malnourished to you? The oldtimers came from a society of Miners, farmers, iron workers, hard physical labor. Hard tough men make good fighters. 100x the fighters in 1950 as there are today. Participation is what makes anything great.
jabbingjackizaracist the fights in the 50s yeah, but this was in 1914. I just think the art of boxing evolved a lot by the time the 50s rolled around, and technique got more advanced. But I believe Jack Johnson would stand out in any era if he was born in it
A lot of people feel that way but some the most recognized skill boxers of all time were before the 1950's.
Benny Leonard of the 1920's skills could match that of any modern fighter. Charley Burley of 1930's was a boxing master. There are no skills any fighter today has that he did not have or use in the ring. The great Ray Robinson began his career in the 1940's, perhaps the best boxer of all time. Gene Tunney's stick and move style is amazingly like that of any fighter today in the 1920's. So what is new? What has changed? Fighers today any more skilled the ring? Do most fighters today know things in the ring these greats did not? I don' think so.
Wow lots of misinformation.
Scheduled for 20 rounds!?!
I can't help but feel that a fighter with a solid left jab (LIke a Larrry Holmes) would have been very effective against Johnson. Apparently Moran didn't know how to throw a straight hard left. He just pawed with it.
johnson knew how to parry ...holmes wouldnt get his jab in at all ...and in the clinches jack destroys him
These are 3 oz. gloves. Old film but I can still see that Moran's face is a crimson mask. Ali or Klitschko might have survived 20 rounds with the giant. I doubt any of you keyboard punchers would last 1 round with either one of these pugilists.
I would.
That is best comment ever. Moran looked pretty good early probably unlucky to meet Jack any other time would have been champ
largelester I could barely last watching to the end of the fight!!
largelester And I'm getting tired just typing this note.Wait...I'm taking a break...Ok,as I was saying,bloody hell 20 rounds!
Side note. Nether fighter- Johnson or Moran was paid for the fight. The police seized the box office money.
If that's true after 20 rds. all I can say is "WOW".......Fucked Up
Please tell me you're joking bro
Fckg cops.
The ref stopped the fight momentarily at 10:00 after Jack's uppercut....seeing Frank's teeth were not embedded in Jack's gloves, he allowed the fight to go on warning him, of the Ketchel fight.....
The ref appears to be warning Johnson not to hold and hit.
Lol the crowd audio is totally fake keeps repeating every twenty seconds!
Johnson not letting Moran inside, and when inside, Johnson pushes him backwards.
he gets loads of things wrong he first fought for the title against tommy burns in 1909 not ketchel who challenged him as the middleweight champion.
TheDarleyarabian 1908*
The background noise is annoying, it’s annoying and only there to make the commentary seem realistic but it’s on a loop and sounds cheap.
From the lack of activity no wonder they could go 20 rounds
From your lack of brain matter i can see why school took you 20 years.
And you still flunked out.
TheBatugan77 OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE BRAIN OF A FOUR YEAR OLD BOY. I BET HE WAS GLAD TO GET RID OF IT.
@@expattaffy1954
You forgot to take your meds again. Go sit in a corner and pull your taffy.
@@TheBatugan77 HA HA HA Johnson wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes with Mike Tyson