Why Bode Is A Complex (And Amazing) Character | Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
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It helps that Noshir Dalal played him. He's a great actor. He played Charles in red dead redemption 2
Thought i regognised the voice.
He also played Vice Admiral Rampart in The Bad Batch, so this isn't even his first foray into the Star Wars universe.
Also Kotallo in Horizon Forbidden West. He’s a phenomenal voice actor and did a great job in all three games.
@Erikthedood he also does prince Sidon in tears of the kingdom. He did a bunch of smaller roles in games before rdr2...every since that game I notice how much vo work he does...he's incredible
I knew that voice sounded familiar
I think he was all on board with cal and his crew coming with him, but it was when he learned cal wanted to bring the entire hidden path and anchorites with him that he full on backstabbed him, kinds like why he tried to ask cal to leave with his crew to check it out before bringing the path with
Yeah, he does care about Cal, by the time they rescuing Zee he genuinely think about Cal as a friend and worries if he's alright. I think he would have preferred for Cal to grab Merrin and join them on Tanalor, use it as sanctuary only for the family. But because Cal wanted to invite shit ton of refugees, it would very likely attract empire's attention, one of those refugees could be isb agent with murderous intent. Pretty reasonable concern, although selfish one at that. I also think he's fighting Cal so hard in the end because he's in the panic mode. He thought Tanalor will be unreachable and he successfully evaded consequences of his actions, but Mantis shows up like five minutes later. Cal and Merrin are pretty deadly on their own and have more than enough reasons to slice Bode to ribbons, but together they so OP, anyone would have lost their shit.
Something else that works with us is that he knows there is a 100% chance of one of the refugees being a spy.
How does he know this? Because he himself was an imperial spy.
Good break down here ✅.
@@theparrishshow9803 and a republic spy
Bode's mistake of thought is to believe that there exists a universe where Kata is 100% safe. He's the type of parent that would lock his daughter in a tower until he dies because she would be more protected that way.
And, well, he wasn't always like that. Like Kata said, her mother's death changed Bode. It is what made him like that, and I fucking get it.
@@mht2315and honestly in Bode's mind Cal has little to no chance to win because he's up against An entire army and Vader and Palpatine
@@Eric6761 Yeah at first I thought this made no sense but in his mind, the Empire can not be stopped and if they made the planet into a base, the Empire would eventualy figure out a way to get there and kill them all.
i do wish they gave dagan and rayvis a bit more attention. despite knowing that they were just meant to be secondary villains that contribute to Cal and Bode's arcs, they felt undercooked. would even have been okay with removing either of them if that's what needed to change to let the other be fleshed out
Dagan yes I agree. Rayvis as a second even third "big bad" was pretty cool and had just enough. Although I understand because I always want more lore too.
Honestly, I think both characters only benefit from having the other around. Maybe I lack imagination, but a version of the story without one of Dagan or Rayvis would feel a little emptier and I'd miss their dynamic. That said, they both could certainly have used more screentime.
dagan shouldve been a bigger antagonist and they couldve played an mgs3 and bode fights cal after dagan dies
What some people don't understand after their first playthrough is that Bode wasn't ever going to betray Cal until he mentioned allowing the Hidden Path to use Tanalorr. Bode didn't want any risk to his daughter. Sure, he was working for the Empire because it was the only way to keep his family safe at the time. But he was going to betray the Empire and go to Tanalorr with Cal, but he thought the Hidden Path being there would be too risky. He wanted a forever-safe home for his daughter and when Cal "risked" that, Bode decided to betray Cal. Before that point Bode wasn't plotting against them.
It's not just that Cal wanted to bring the Hidden Path, I think it's when they were planning to use Tannalor as a base to build an army in order to fight the Empire.
I do agree on how paying close attention to bode can give it away but the thing about these kind of characters is that it can go the route of a betrayal but it can also go down the route of getting killed off. During my first playthrough I was convinced he was going to die as that’s a common story trope with really fun and likeable characters, so being misled was honestly great as the betrayal caught me totally off guard
I find fascinating how Bode shares many similarities with Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader as described by the Revenge of the Sith Novelization
I think a very telling part to Bode's character is that he is shown to have fallen to the Dark Side from the anxiety of protecting his daughter. The manic paranoia he has that everyone is an enemy makes sense.
I think it’s poetic that A he dies by the blaster he gave cal and B he dies by a blaster a weapon that isn’t a Jedi weapon which is more for cal seeing his turn to the dark side or embrace more so than anything
The fight with Dagan makes sense. Using the force may not have been all that impactful and was a huge risk as it would have given him away. But the reason Bode doesn’t use a light saber there is simply because he doesn’t have one. If you listen to the audio logs especially, he takes the saber off of Dagan, and it’s clear he hasn’t held one in a while as he comments on it. The saber be pulls on Cal later is Dagan’s saber. Maybe he was using some force tactics subtlely but I just don’t think it would be effective for a big force push or something in the fight compared to the risk of blowing his cover. Being a Jedi would give him some reflec advantages though and probably why he survived the encounter in the first place.
I wasn’t expecting him to betray us, mostly cause the moment he mentioned his daughter at the start, I spent the whole game expecting him to die in action, and expecting that to be a moment when Cal could snap, along with me getting that “investment anger”. So when it turned out he survived the fight against Dagan, I was mainly just relieved even though it was clear he was disgruntled about Cal’s idea for Tanalorr.
I also love the little detail at the end of their final confrontation: They both pull their pistols but Cal barely tries to fire when Bode didnt hesitate. Cal gave him one final chance, but Bode went over so Cal made sure to double-tap.
I do see Bode as a interesting and surprise character that I didn’t expect to ended up like throughout the game but here we are as usual
i personally see it as when he learned about tanalor he saw a way out of Denviks grasp. To just ditch the empire, and be safe. Giving Tanalor to The path opens up the opportunity for it to be discovered by the empire.
bot cal and bode use their passion and love to be better jedi but bode fails in one way cal doesn't. Bode lets his fear control him while Cal controls his fear
Bode was kinda right. The Empire already knew about the hidden path so what’s stopping them from invading Tanalorr when Cal moves all the hidden Jedi into one place?
Exactly. Didn’t help that the Arrays were very clearly visible from space, and the Empire probably would’ve found a way to use them eventually.
@@alpacawizardman6778 honestly it’s starting to make sense why Luke gave up on the Jedi. All they bring is competition instead of peace.
@@TheElvishElvis as much as I didn’t like his decision, maybe you’re right. I hope Rey is able to correct some of those mistakes in the New Jedi Order stuff.
That's the great thing about Bode and this story, his story and decisions are understandable. I wouldn't say he was right though, I'd rather say he wasn't wrong. Cal's idea to bring the Hidden Path to Tanalor is also not wrong, it would've bought time and a little more safety for the Jedi, maybe enough for them to regroup a little.
Both sides aren't wrong and both sides are understandable, that's why it's so great.
He was the one who told them where the path was and about kohbo they would’ve been safe if he just hadn’t said anything. How would they invade anyway it’s nearly impossible to reach
He was easy to read to know he was going to betray you, I saw it miles away especially at the end when he wanted that compass so bad that was a sign of obsession of a man that will do whatever it takes to keep his daughter safe
I’d like the Merrin character vid.
Yeah same
Bode never had a lightsaber until he took it from Dagan
I have never felt so betrayed by a fictional character as I did Bode.
Nah fr I was actually in awe, I thought we were gonna get tanalor for our families😭
I hate the misconception of Bode, people will hate on him for his reasoning meanwhile anakin does the exact same thing but way worse and yet people don’t care about him doing it? (Btw I’m not saying anakin is a bad character, actually my favorite ever I’m just saying you can’t critique one thing and dismiss another that does the same thing)
To be fair Anakin is also a shitty character, I found myself sympathizing with Bode more
@@dancingvalkyrie not really, there is a lot of depth to him that is seen as “bad writing” looking at it at face value, you also have to remember what kind of character trope they went with him, and which was the most popular to do at the time
Anakin and Bode are different people.
The point of prequel is to show how Anakin became Darth Vader and also the mistakes of the Jedi and they're blindness... I mean seriously Darth Sidious was under their noses all this time and they didn't do a thing they just said „That's impossible. The Sith were extinct for a melenia.” and they still became a War General's despite saying „We're Peace keepers not soldiers”. But the point of Cal Kestis story is to show us that despite Order 66 and also Sith victory the Jedi learns from they're mistakes and evolving just like Sith did during The Galactic Republic and Clone Wars. That's just my point of view.
@@spider-boy5498 Them being the same person isn't the point. It's the fact they do very similar things in the pursuit of very similar goals.
@@Yes-ly1nx Ok. You got me there.
this may sound funny, but what made me trust bode so much as soon as the character first shows up is i remember the voice actor as charles smith in red dead 2
I don’t understand how people can call themselves Star Wars fans and not understand the very basic plot point of the dark side making people unreasonable. Bodes motivations and mistakes are very clear if you actually know Star Wars.
The only complaint that I find myself sort of agreeing with is that EA's shady buisness practices definitely screwed up the game's full potential.
I feel like everyone misunderstands bodes motivations because if cal does give a compass to the hidden path they will constantly be bringing more refugees to tanalore and every trip to get more refugees they will have to leave tanalore with a compass and go to were those refugees are usually places controled by the empire if they get cought the empire has a compass and can invade tanalore
Everyone understands it. It's not nuclear physics. It's just no one feels obligated to pat him on the head for it because he is still a shitty person.
It's clear Bode, or rather his daughter, was the "Survivor" the game was named after, because that is all he wanted, which is why Dagan said "pathetic" when he force read his mind.
It's kinda genius how the title can refer to Cal, Dagan or Bode.
It's strange to think so. It's obviously Cal, Dagan and Bode and their different view of their purpose in the galaxy. What's it has to do with Kata? She wasn't even much of a character in this game. The only thing she "survived" is her shitty father
Definitely, each character, even each nemesis, represents a different kind of survival and purpose. Even Rayvis, who serves neither the force, nor the empire, still has a code, and a reason to be, until he doesn't. Kata ultimately like Cal (and Merrin) is an innocent, orphaned force-sensitive child who has experienced the full effects of the war and the purge, and that is how the story comes in full circle. So, if i had to pick one char as Survivor, it would be her.
The other odd thing i wish to add, is by the end, even Cal, like Dagan, gives into the dark side, but unlike Dagan, even strikes down unarmed opponents. So, for sure, the characters are "fractured", doppleganger, reflections of one another.
@@aftabbukhari We can't say for sure that Dagan never killed unarmed opponents. Too little information on his doings since he fell. Maybe the thought there is that surviving is not living. You can't be free of darkness if you have that experience. You either live with it or become consumed
Agreed, I think Jedi survivor succeeds where the Last of us part 2 fails at trying to do the same thing
Let me first say that Bode is written pretty well for the most part. I was hoping it him being a double agent wasn't so obvious but maybe that led to the jedi reveal working but diverting your attention.
Now let me say on my first play through, in the very beginning I said to myself upon meeting Bode "Oh, he is for sure working as an undercover ISB agent". I did not however predict he was a jedi. Ultimately I was relieved to kill Bode because he made that choice to kill everyone in his decisions. He wasn't 100% forced in doing what he did but he did. I get that as he spent more time with Cal he genuinely liked working with him. Also learning about Tanalorr gave him this false sense of 100% safety for his daughter. And he had second thoughts about betraying everyone, but in sacrificing everything "to save his daughter" Bode became seemingly insane. You can see it right before he discovers you with his daughter on Tanalorr. He isn't mentally stable anymore. In sacrificing everything he saved no one. So killing him was a mercing killing. I was glad to kill Bode.
Please make the Merrin one… the legend deserves it
You are absolutely right about Bode. He is the archetype character in the vain of "the path to hell is paved in good intentions". He lost his wife to the Empire. Now he is under obligation to do their bidding because he has to protect his daughter. He will do anything to prevent something happen to her.
They start searching for Tanalorr and he sees a way out from under the obligation to serve the Empire for good, however if Cal uses it for the hidden path then that still threatens the safety of Tanalorr because once the Empire learns about the hidden path they will stop at nothing to navigate to it. So he does unconscionable things in order to secure that objective.
Truly a tragic story. He's not evil, but he feels he has to do evil things in order to protect what is left of his family. In a way...I kinda understand his struggle.
I definitely think bode thought of Cal as his brother truly. but what I think sealed his fate of turning on them was the fact they wanted to bring the hidden path to Tanalorr, Bode only wanted it for him his daughter and maybe the stinger mantis crew and that was it. it’s a very Darth Vader Anakin Skywalker arc bowed still suffering the loss of his wife even though she’s been dead for years at this point wasn’t going to let anything get in the way of keeping his daughter safe even if that meant turning on his best friend.
11:37 Cal Kestis has killed 441 Imperial personnel in Fallen Order.
I just played NG+ And i think people make a mistake once you beat Dagan. Cal misunderstands him the Convo goes like this.
Cal: "Maybe Dagan was right"
"Think about it, Tanalorr is a fortress. We should use it to for the hidden path. Gather Allies, train.
they'd never see us coming"
Bode: " I don't know seems risky" (he doubts it, because bringing people to the hidden planet will open it up to spies.)
Cal : "Everything is at risk as long as the empire is around, besides, You don't want Kata to be in hiding her whole life. Do you?"
THIS IS WHERE CAL MISREADS BODE
Bode : "If shes safe Cal, Then yeah i'll take that" Sigh
What he means is, YES I will only save the planet for US and keep her in hiding as long as shes safe there.
NOT using the planet for training so she can be free. My personally opinion is Cal is misunderstanding Bodes meaning.
"I dont care how long I have to keep her there as long as shes safe.
Two things:
1. In Jedi: Fallen Order, Cere tells Cal that Bogano is completely unknown to the Empire. Why don’t they use Bogano for family and Tanalore for the Hidden Path, or vice versa?
2. You should go to Noshir Dalal’s page and listen to his head canon on Bode. It’s riveting.
The empire learn about Bogano toward the end of the game when Trilla get the holocron, the planet is full of stormtrooper while going back to the mantis, so it's clearly not a safe place anymore
@@carbonneau5630 Ohhhhh, got it. Thanks!
I think the moment when Cal talks about Tanalor as the possible new home for The Path is crucial to Bode's decision to call in the empire the next day. Bode probably saw a future for himself, Kata and Cal and his chosen family on Tanalor. I mean growing old with a friend who maybe would have had children with Merrin and uncle Greeze cooking stuff, that sounds like a peaceful future and I truly believe Bode would have want to live like that. But if The Path is also on Tanalor it's just too dangerous.
I like that Bode is never hateful against Cal, I mean in the end he was, when he lost himself and got angrier but before that he's just pragmatic and, as he said himself, a father trying to protect his daughter.
I actually would've liked if his lightsaber wasn't red though, because even though he fought Cal he wasn't a bad guy. His lightsaber being blue or green would've shown to us and to Cal, who saw a lightsaber turn red earlier when he woke up Dagan, that he is more than just evil and that there is a chance of Bode turning around. At the end, when they fought on Tanalor and Bode starts to push Kata away and when he gets angrier and more hateful, that's the moment when I would've liked to see him turn. Maybe his eyes being swollen like Anakin's in EP3, maybe his lightsaber would have turned then or at least have a red-ish glow to it. After Merrin stabbed and Cal shot him he could've realised that his lightsaber isn't blue/green anymore and that he was wrong, too late of course. Maybe him dying on the dark side without any thought about that is better though, I don't know, just him having a red lightsaber didn't feel 100% right for me. Except for that I really liked his character a lot!
The lightsaber Bode used wasn’t initially his, he stole it from Dagan after Cal kills him which is why it’s red.
@@lyfeb4def583 yeah I catched that after I wrote this comment haha
So scratch the whole thing about the lightsaber colour, but having some visible cues in the end would have been cool. At least I really like if you can see the hate drip out of someone's face when they turn.
i think instead of bode just up and turning, i think if there were a scene where cal almost dies and bode is forced to pull out the red lightsaber, we could see how bode and cals relationship just slowly tears apart
I think bode 100% was being as honest as can be with cal besides not telling him that he was collecting intel on them and that he was once a Jedi. He definitely wasn’t wanting to spy on them but wanted to keep his kid safe and was pretty much forced into a spot where he would have to help the empire he desired to bring down in order to do that.
He never actually personally did anything to benefit the empire. Despite snitching on the archives and providing vaguely implied to be important intel, he led cal to a isb base likely on purpose, which got pretty much destroyed, and he took the compass for himself. He also directly fights empire instead of just watching cal which he could have done since he literally did reconnaissance work and was trained in it.
It was once he thought the hidden path would be a threat to the inconspicuousy that he was trying to have in order to protect his kid that he betrayed them. He snitched on them so he would be able to escape, and it wasn’t to purely screw them up.
He just wasn’t willing to have his daughter’s life at risk.
watching this from the Honolulu airport since my plane got delayed by 8 hours… thanks for the entertainment man 😂 but actually i think they did a great job with this character and most characters in these two games :)
My god man, best of luck getting back, hope you had an AWESOME vacation. You'll have to either message what you did or maybe next Livestream just go off lol
@@PodcastNow oh man will do! finally home and rested lol
Good video! I loved the character. I was sad to see how it turned out, but the writing was great.
I love Bode's character so much!
Idk if im just an idiot but I really didn't think he'd turn. I thought he was definitely gonna die in that boss fight with the Dagon
i thought for a moment when he used the force that it was actually dagan lmao
SAME!
What I still dont get: Why kill Cordova? literally did absolutely nothing for Bode’s objectives. And also whats the issue with bringing the hidden path to Tanalor… its an ENTIRE PLANET. If his worry was that the empire would come one day then its really just a matter of delaying the inevitable especially after the arrays were activated after Cal traveled to Tanalor. And lastly how did he hide his connections to the force from, Cal, Cordova, and Cere
Yes, I agree, they act like normal people. Everyone else overacts or is over-the-top acting. That's why we can relate to Cal, Marin and Bode so well, they are like us.
I wish we couldve gotten a god of war esque flashback to his wife being killed, that way it helps us further empathize in the moment near the end, where he seems so hopeless in confrontating or running away from the empire.
bode is a character who would destroy everything for the absolute safety of another no matter the cost or reason. hes not evil per say he just wont take no for an answer, wich would have been fine if that no wasn't so secluded to one
What made Bode even more interesting to me was that it wasn’t even about protecting his daughter at the end. He puts her in extreme danger for his own pride, and at one point even force pushes both her and her surroundings, requiring Merrin to step in and save her which he could not have reasonably been counting on when he did it. It seemed like he had issues with pride and the Dark Side truly consuming him and it was as much about control as it was him protecting Kata. Even when he was on his knees and still defying Cal in a clearly suicide situation, leaving his daughter without a father entirely, he chooses this path rather than relenting. If his true goal was protecting Kata and going to any lengths to do so, he would not have put her in any of the above situations. Even if he surrendered and just bided his time until he could once again betray Cal. So there was clearly a lot more darkness underlying in Bode that kind of revealed itself during that final confrontation. Even his daughters own pleas weren’t enough to get him to stop and you could start to see who he really was and what drove him, even if just a glimpse.
@@mandrews6282 similar to anakin, he lost the very thing he was trying to protect because of his fear of losing it
Destroy everything for the absolute safety of another. The man almost killed Kata 3 times, very definition of evil.
We should get a bode game that goes through the events of his life from his time as a Jedi to the time of survivor
I'm curious why Bode thought he could protect her by himself better than four Jedi and a Night Sister.
The Empire already knew about Tanaloor.
They were around the array, they had a battle around the observatory and Bode told the Inquisitors about the Alignment Tower. From the very beginning Tanaloor, for all intents and purposes, was controlled by the Empire.
Furthermore, the Anchorites(sp) venerated force users. He could've used him being a Jedi as leverage and to influence the direction of Tanaloor. Just because Cal wanted it to be a base to fight the Empire doesn't mean that's how it will turn out.
How long would it take before Tanaloor was ready to take refugees or for Cal to raise an army? By that time Kata might've been an adult. He could've stayed there with her in safety while they developed Tanaloor.
Finally, it's a planet. A whole planet isn't big enough for a few people? He could've hid on the other side opposite Cal. Even if the Empire came, are they going to scour a whole planet just to find two people?
Easy answer: Fear, hatred and blindness from the dark side
There is 1 force echo that you can find where he actually starts to like him like a brother
Bode is a broken person who just wanted to disapear; regardless of others. So He might be cool and all.. When they got the compas you could tell he was off and playing on other sides..
In the Lore, many of the Jedi's that was send out to do covert operations. They all started to shift more and more on self survival and gone rogue.
Quinlan Vos is one of those covert Jedi, and we see how different he was from the rest of the order. It would be awesome to see him and Cal interact, not only bc of their experience as more hands-on Jedi, but also bc, for all its flaws, the Kenobi show confirms that Quinlan was involved with the Hidden Path
When i first started playing and saw bode, i literally said 'this guy seems trustworthy i sure hope he won't betray us later'.
I do believe that bode had the intention in escaping to tanalor with cal and maybe also merrin so they could hide where the empire would never find them. But he changed his mind and stuck beside the ISB since cal wanted the entire hidden path network to go with him to tanalor which swayed bode to take action.
Bode fell to the dark side after the death of katas mother and he became blinded with the thought of keeping her 100% safe from anything in the universe. He feared the more people came to tanalor, the higher the chance the empire would find them. I dont condone bodes actions at all since hes personally responsible for the murder of Cordova, cere and several other innocents.
By the time cal and merrin reached tanalor, bode went into a panic. He wasnt ever supposed to be followed or found! You could tell cal didnt want to kill him but its justified considering bode nearly killed him twice, almost chocked merrin to death and nearly killed his own daughter about 3 times as well.
I’m almost positive Bode was a Sentinel, and so was Dagan, makes him using his saber all the more meaningful.
Bode’s character gave me one of the best experiences I’ve ever gotten in a video game.
After I had killed Bode I began collecting all of his force echoes. But then I found the two on Tanalorr, which showed him singing the lullaby “Ghost Star” to Kata, and then the second one where he’s singing it to himself and starts breaking down into tears as he reveals he’s apparently singing to his deceased wife.
When I heard these echoes, I swear I shed a tear. He was simply a man trying to keep his daughter safe after he had lost everything he did not care what happened to his friends or even to himself. He just wanted Kata to be safe. And we just made her an orphan.
I know what everybody’s going to say, that Cal and Merrin gave him every chance to surrender, but he didn’t take it, and they had to neutralize him. I know that Bode was the one that betrayed us. Bode was the one that gave away the Hidden Path’s location to the Empire. Bode was the one who killed master Cordova and stole the compass. Bode was the one refused to surrender peacefully.
But Bode was not the one who pulled the trigger.
When I heard was echoes, not only was I on the verge of crying, but I said the one sentence I never expected to hear myself say after an experience within a video game…
“What have I done?…”
Similar sentiment here... As a father myself, I know what desperation he must've been feeling... But I was also hoping for mercy from Cal and Merrin in some form and for Bode to see the light in the end. he just... dies - not even a desperate, "I'm sorry Kata" and then die.
A soft heart like yours would be moved by Bode's plight, it is only human. But therein lies destruction. The man had already gotten multiple people killed and pulled the trigger on Cordova. Not to mention he almost killed his daughter 3 times, if not for Merrin he would have. He was as much a monster as Dagen. Cal has to be careful, or this could be his fate as well. The man almost killed Cal and Merrin, his death was justified. So, Cal pulled the trigger and I have no regrets.
Thank you so much I’ve been trying to figure it out for ages. I understood why bode wanted tanalorr but I didn’t understand why he didn’t want cal n all then there aswell but what u said about unwanted attention makes sense tysm
I love the characters in survivor but thinking about it bode was the reason why cal snapped betrayal by someone closest to him same as dagan who was betrayed by someone who was close to him cal and dagan are similar
Bode was always suss. They almost, almost tricked me. By the fight with dagan I though two things.
1. This has to be the last fight, short game.
2. Okay, bode wasn't a secret bad guy in this game.
However, when bode wanted to stay behind after the fight, I instantly knew something was fishy. After that he just started acting weirder and weirder until the twist.
I saw it coming for the first minute, but I didn’t wanted him to betray us. He was a true Bro… 😢
iv'e found that many people say "he should have done this or that", but do those people expect irrational people or people in general to always act like they should or act the same?
The betrayal caught me off guard, I thought it was over rip cordova bd being sad was a very sad moment.
He was already not rational thinking him and his Daughter being the only Sentient Lifeforms on an unreasheble Planet is good for his Daughter.
Bode would die and then Kata would've been alone with no one to talk to.
Sadly, I found out about Bode’s betrayal through videos and not my own playthrough and thought two things: one, HXUSBSISBISHSNSUSH. And two, why? But his motivation is somewhat reasonable. He just wants his daughter to be happy and to live a good life. Now I myself don’t have kids and won’t for probably a decade and a half or two, but I do know that when you have kids your priorities shift so much. And Bode’s were set on keeping his daughter safe. I like his character a lot, but I think another option for him is that Kata wouldn’t have really existed and he was just coping with the loss of his wife (and in this case, [unborn?] daughter), and that would make him seem more inhumane than he is. But I like what Respawn did with Bode’s character. Shows that’s they really care about the story of these games.
Would love the Merrin video
Heartbreaking is definitely the right word... I loved Bode, and as the player I earnestly wanted him to repent and turn from the path he was on. I was pleading with him on the screen for goodness sake! And the tease of relief when he says "alright", only for him to seal his fate... so tragic.
I do wish they would have put more emotion into the little girl, she was too stoic for what would have been the most traumatic event of her little life... No screams, not even any tears seems a bit underdeveloped and it kind of broke the beautiful immersion and realism of the fantastic plot twist. Don't get me wrong, I loved this game - probably one of my top 5 favs of all time, but I just wish either the devs had kids or someone would've told them... "kids don't just stand there when Daddy's dead."
I think maybe the developers would've had more time to go into this aspect of her character if it weren't for EA's shitty buisness practices.
Either that, or she's already a bit stoic because of how she's traumatized by her mom's death and seeing her father become a shittier human being.
"you can see it coming"
Bro his name is BODE. Like this doesn't BODE well. Like forBODING Betrayal
I called it immediately
I felt like his character kind of fell apart at the end of the game. I don't feel like he was just a black and white character yet that is how they made him appear for his final moments
How so? I thought he was the most 3 dimensional character in the game.
A nice touch is Cal hesitated shooting Bode
Yeah, he looked at his girlfriend and then pulled the trigger again on Bode. He had it coming.
I had to replay this game the +version to try and understand Bode. Great video! SUB
Hey man, its been forever, i think i first found you on your pokemon sword and shield givaway lmao, i think i was like 14, almost 18 now so it seems forever ago, but youve grown a ton, glad to see it. but i may have misheard, but i think there was an echo after the game where bode had said something about manipulating cal through the whole merrin thing, again i might be wrong, so if i am someone let me know
Hey!!! Honestly I love to hear a story like that so thank you so much man, I really appreciate it and welcome back!!! And thanks man!! And yeah I remember that force echo you're talking about, I do think he came up with the idea initially through manipulation right? Like he was thinking of ways to get Cal out of the way and thought of the Merrin thing, but I do think there was always a shred of truth to whatever he said. I think he would have liked Cal and Merrin to be together and go somewhere
Ngl he was before merrin for me I just love cal and bodes relat and he did clutch up multiple times. It def helps his VA plays Charles in rdr2 which I’ve played multiple times like 10+
I would have loved to see if Bode did survive and the Empire found tanalorr a team up of Cal and revealed Jedi Bode, fighting endless waves of Imperial forces.
We need dlc for survivor. A what if dagan survived and make it a non canon story. You have to recruit and build an army to retake the galaxy. Boss fight with Vader
So Starkiller canon version
@@John_Knolastname no, it would be a separate faction. It would be exactly what dagan said:
"I will turn these raiders Into an elite force led by disciples trained in the force at MY TEMPLE!! Then when the time is right we will strike and cleanse this galaxy through fire".
So the dlc would be a literal war against everyone to make dagan the new empire. Would be pretty sick
@@armaniwebb4467 I meant more that Dagan would be the new Starkiller because Starkiller also built his own Army against Darth Vader and the Emperor
My main issue with Bode is how he feels like he's stuck on the decision of "if he invites the path, then I'm gonna have to murder Cordova and betray him" like there wasn't an alternative. He spends most his time on jedah with Cordova, then murders him. The issue of the refugee's on tanalor is that Bode obviously knows the power of the ISB and the Empire and doesn't underestimate them. Really Cal was an obstacle stopping him from taking his daughter to an empty planet so they can live alone in fear from the Empire for eternity, which is obviously not what Kata wanted. Bode isn't thinking for his daughter, but instead for himself, so destroyed from the loss of his wife that he can't handle the chance of his daughter being in danger. Even after Bode is given the chance to surrender, he's not thinking for Kata, he's thinking for himself. Also after Rayvis and Dagan it felt like they needed a new villain and not an antagonist, someone to make Cal question his choices just like he had to with the Holocron, instead he had his mind made up, and Bode had his, and there was no change.
It was obvious to me he was always apprehensive and barely earnest but I didn’t see the Jedi angle also I thought Merin would die and that would turn Cal and I thought the annakin hair cosmetics was the give away, also when you purchase the imperial colors from Jedha the anchorite merchant says “that was destined for you” I was very wrong.
Bode is the Anakin of Jedi Survivor.
He was really going to betray the empire and live in Tanalor with Cal, Kata and the rest of the crew, but he changed his mind when Cal said they'd start an army and also take in any refugee they could, this way the empire wouldn't just ignore them, but would actually hunt them down.
why couldn't cal feel that bode was an jedi i mean even cal asks that and we got no answer
Bode said he worked in intelligence during the clone wars. Discretion is what got him through surviving the purge, so it isn't a stretch to say that he's got some idea of masking his identity, even against force users. Can also be argued that he cut himself off with the force hence why he couldn't be "detected"
because "plot"
I understand the motivations they were trying for, but Bode's plan seems half-formed to me. He wanted Tanalor for himself and his daughter, but how were they going to survive there? Was he actually going to start a single farm and hope that worked? How would they feed themselves in the meantime? That they nothing dangerous in their brief time there doesn't mean that there is nothing...it seemed a better plan was to set up a whole community there (and to bring a lot of supplies to start with), not just him and Kata and whatever she had in her backpack. It's a great game, and he does have complex feelings, but I still didn't feel he was a great final boss, narratively speaking. I was much more interested in Dagan Gera, personally.
3:00 "partly because of bode" - cool cool. "So, you know, they kiss-" - whoa spicy
The characters from these two games are MILES beyond every single Star Wars character that Disney has created/inherited.
This is how you create good characters.
This is how you tell a story.
THIS is how you do Star Wars.
Disney= 🗑️
These character are create under Disney
Kathleen Kennedy: "HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WHO CREATED THIS CHARACTER? THEY'RE GETTING FIRED"
Okay, I know this is irrelevant to the video…
0:01 but why is a stormtrooper using a Clone Wars blaster?
Because attachment worked so well for Anakin.
I knew something was up about him! He was "too" nice up front which gave me a bunch of red flags! Great character though!😊
Ok I'm gonna go on a rant here because I'm sick of seeing this shit talking about Bode everywhere I go.
I wanted to hate him when he went turncoat, but then his story came out... his motivations. And what I ended up hating was not the character, but his decisions.
One has to consider that Bode was basically a Jedi spook, possibly an undercover agent during the Wars which often results in an unhealthy dose of paranoia. Him falling in love and having a family was a massive loss of his usual guard, and the Purge didn't help. So when the Jedi became traitors, he went all in on his family and, when his wife was killed, fear of losing the one thing he had left drove him to his choices - to throw in with the Empire, more specifically the ISB. Fear is very much of the dark side and the main reason someone like Anakin fell, so Bode falling to the dark side in the same way (sort of) makes a twisted sort of sense.
I'm NOT excusing his choices here; he was a monster, that directly and often indirectly ended the lives of countless people - other Jedi perhaps - all to protect his daughter, his own circumstances. It's the epitome of selfishness.
That said... I do feel that Bode was driven to extremes. Like or not, Cal may've been seen as a brother to Bode and someone he felt he could let his guard down around for the first time in years. And sure, someone will likely say that all those Echoes we found Post-game all highlight how much of a snake he was. But consider that he was an intelligence agent who already lost one family due to carelessness, the mere fact he let his guard down again to Cal shows he truly did want to start anew, to get away with Kata. I firmly believe that yes, for most of the game Bode was intent on playing the "good guy" to get into Cal's good graces so he could complete his mission. But then something changed; a way out for all of them was found and suddenly, Bode had second thoughts. It wasn't until Cal decided to go forth with Dagan's vision of leading the next order of Jedi that Bode snapped back to his original mission. Because if Tanalorr became another rebel holdout, eventually someone would talk... and that'd be the end of it. Kata would be likely be killed by the Empire for being a force sensitive - or taken as an Inquisitor trainee - and Bode's final chance at peace would be shot. If Cal had stuck with just moving him and Merrin (with a major exception being Rambler's Reach, don't quote me on that) then perhaps Bode wouldn't have shed his skin.
Tl; dr: Bode was a villain through and through, but he was a tragic villain. I can't hate him, no matter how much I wish to.
You don't have to hate him. You just have to stop him with a blaster to the chest.
I think Bode is a monster, there's no way the empire could reach Tanalor, it was already incredibly hard for Cal to get there with a small ship. Even if the empire got 1 or 2 ships thru, they could've easily beaten them
I knew he was a fed about a quarter way in
dude ever since fallen order cam out cal and merrin took 2nd and 3rd on my top 3 fav characters from star wars anakin/vader is the 1st
Bode was dead the moment he choked Merrin. You don't harm a man's woman.
i will watch this video later because i havent beat the game yet
I personally saw the betrayal coming, he always seemed just slightly off to me, enough for me to be skeptical.
Cal has fallen by the end of the game.
Cal not being able to assure Bode he can protect Kata, it's fear. He's afraid of what he saw in the Bogano vault. Of training a bunch of younglings only to have then all die by Imperial hands.
A true Jedi would have understood that it wasn't the will of the force to protect the younglings of the Holocron, but it was the will of the force to protect Kata.
RIP Bode Cal's fall sealed his fate
Cal did protect Kata don't you see. Review Survivor again and you will see Bode almost killed Kata 3 times. Cal is a new type of Jedi who has adapted. The order fell because they couldn't adapt to changes in the universe.
@@mindfulness5475 It's nice and all that he has a mission. But he has fallen to the dark side. Sure as a new Jedi he doesn't need to live by the usual rules. But not using the dark side is not one of those rules that go away. By the end of Survivor he is a fallen Jedi and the next game can't just act like it's nothing
Can someone explain to me why bode was very insisting about Cal being with Merrin because doing it to get Cal out of his way doesn’t make sense since he wanted both of them to go to tanalorr
He was trying to get Cal to stop actively fighting the empire to have a future with Merrin where they'd be safe. He hopes that Cal could be talked into believing that them hiding out is the only way to keep her safe. He would gladly take Cal and Merrin to tanalorr, but the hidden path coming with and making it a resistance base was a deal breaker. It would put a massive target on their back and put bodes daughter in danger.
How is your 3rd favorite Bode when you got turgle
I wouldn’t say that bode holding back against dagen during that third fight is a plot hole for one he doesn’t even have a lightsaber the one he uses at the end of the game is dagens and for the second point dagen IS focused on cal. If cal died bode 100% would have taken caps lightsaber and finished off a weakened dagen.
Just let me add...............................
Ghost star, I wonder where you are...............
How did no one sense Bode to be a former jedi?
Selfish and blinded by rage
Make a Turgle video.
Lol no that's okay
If gamers like you have already found all the force echos in Jedi: Survivor, then why has no one posted a video covering them all? It's been over a year for pete's sake!
The jadoi order falls a why fallow. The code of the jadi. Fall in love if the Jadi
Order falls there no point. Of fallowing the code.
Bode was interesting at first then kinda became cliche and mid🤷🏾♂️ wasn't the worst antagonist tho still liked malicose better