Cal Kestis is Proof the Jedi Were Wrong
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Cal Kestis was barely a padawan when order 66 was kicked off. He would go into hiding for most of his teenage years forgetting everything he learned. It wasn't until five years after the Jedi Order was destroyed that Cal would restart his journey to becoming a Jedi Knight. Like Luke Skywalker, Cal was able to teach himself what it meant to be a Jedi, without all of the structure provided by the Jedi Order. I believe his journey is a good template for future Jedi to follow in the post Jedi Order period.
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MEH
"alan" you must unite with the Dolphins against DISNEY to save starwars
16:30
This part kinda speaks to my soul
What do you think Luthen Rael was before the empire?
Rey Nobody, not my Skywalker
Cal Kestis has learned to use the Force to make his hairstyle remain perfect no matter how wet, dirty or windy his surroundings are. He is the chosen one.
He must have learned from David Tennant...
@@HHopebringer Jedi Master David Tennant
@@mcpics4448 he's not a Master.
He's The Doctor.
@@HHopebringer If anyone could be both, it's him.
@Dan Nowlan Your all wrong
It's his poncho
Honestly, Cal's 5 years on Bracca probably taught him more about life, the galaxy, and the people who live within it more than a lifetime spent in the Jedi Temple.
Dude the one scene in the game where he first received his blaster emphasized your point 100%
Yeah the Jedi in that Ivory tower on Coruscant were so disconnected from the average citizen of the galaxy and it became one of their biggest flaws
Ummm... you do realize Jedi went OUTSIDE the temple to solve problems in the name of the Republic right? Also, last I checked there were more Jedi than there ever were for a longer period od compared to the Sith Which proves the Jedi right.
The Jedi were wise and embraced peace a little too much but they weren't idiots unlike the people who criticize them -_-
@@alexanerose4820 I'm not saying the Jedi are inherently wrong. I'm saying they're sheltered. Most people in the galaxy don't live in the safety of a state sponsored monastic temple, their needs entirely cared for while they pursue a life of service and spiritual enlightenment. A Jedi Master has never endured, say, the struggle of working a backbreaking job of hard labor in order to scrounge up enough money so his or her children can eat. They've never had to worry about paying their taxes, maintaining their home, living among a community of people who value their attachments to others rather than thinking they are something to avoid. They spend their lives looking at the big picture, at the diplomacy between entire worlds while learning how to wield a lightsaber and move objects with their mind. They're disconnected from most of the people they serve.
@@alexanerose4820 Part of the story of the Fall of the Jedi is *indeed* their willful ignorance of their own arrogance.
If Cal ever meet up with Luke’s new Jedi order in the future, it’d make sense that Cal fill the role of Jedi Battlemaster. Not only does he know how to use multiple types of lightsabers but based on the new game he also understands when an opponent must be taken out & there’s no changing their path
Good point. He'd be a perfect Battlemaster indeed. Luke is a great combatant, but hes more of a monk like Qui Gon. Cal is a serious warrior.
He’d probably also teach about the diversity of saber types and styles that are out there, and teach them how to wield each one properly, i also imagine he’d teach how to use a blaster, since both him and Luke used them before and i can see them being more allowing with their use
In book of Boba Fett, Luke still try to teach Grogu the old ways of the Jedi with no attachment and stuff. What if Luke meeting Cal is what cause him to realize that relationship and emotion is a good thing and Luke use that to build new Jedi order.
@@voratittchunharuckchot9711 That would then explain why Luke succumbed to his fear and attempted to end ben solo in TLJ
Can't believe the Jedi thought a lightsaber was more civilised then a blaster. One of them leave a hole in your body, the other one can pretty much cut you in any place with minor force
My favorite part of Jedi Survivor is how Merrin is clearly invested in keeping Cal from falling to the dark side because, as far as she has seen, all Jedi fall to the dark side after some trauma.
The prequels spent three movies telling fans that love leads to corruption and the dark side. In the Cal Kestis Jedi games, Cal falls in love with a Nightsister. A faction that learns to use the dark side in ways that preserve their self-control and ensure they will never fall to the dark side. Merrin, with her Nightsister training and years observing multiple former Jedi fully submitting to the dark, recognizes the danger Cal is in and does whatever she can to keep him sane and in the light.
Because love finds a way.
She also had a rather unpleasant experience with Taron Malicos, a fallen jedi. So I think she'll be able to recognize what's going on and help Cal better because of it.
No
Common misconception in star wars, the prequels told you that attachment lead you down into the darkside. Lot "love".
But it’s forbidden for Jedi to be in romantic relationships tho in the Star Wars series
Attachment leads to the dark side, not love. It's not even attachment that leads to it, it's the negative side of it such a jealousy, fear of loss, and disappointment. Those lead to the dark side, not love.
Cal understood what no Jedi or Sith could.
That poncho is superior to robes.
Generation Tech: Cal is a great example of a Force Sensitive not falling to the Dark Side without training.
Meanwhile, Cal: EMBRACE THE DARKNESS
lol, really? I've been wanting a darksider game.
honestly I thought it was pretty interesting how we have the mechanic for that now - a quick and easy win but it requires using the dark side, or a slower hard-earned win through skilled gameplay. The fact it has no real effect is also interesting. He seems to be able to use his emotions, A.K.A "ThE dArK sIdE" to great effect without necessarily committing himself to it.
@@ThePigeon5734 be almost fell to the dark side but didn’t because of his goth gf
@@badmoose01 I know, I spent the last three days doing nothing but playing the game lol.
@@dianabarnett6886 Cal uses the dark side a lot in combat really but he doesn't let it consume him
Dooku had a more tragic death than we initially think. He was a jedi, failed by his superiors who ultimately fell to the dark side, just to be killed by another jedi who was in the process of being failed by his superiors, who also fell to the darkside bc of it. All under the one sith. If the Jedi focused more on the wellbeing, free thinking, happiness, and guidance of their jedi maybe there wouldn’t have been situations like that.
As I always say, imagine if Anakin got therapy lol
The Jedi order didn’t fail dooku or anakin they were just greedy and allowed their fear to take control. If you have people there to help you understand the world around you and yourself and you choose to betray them for more power your the issue not them
Dooku: Embrace the darkness?
Qui-Gon: As long as it didn’t cons-
Yoda: No.
Qui-Gon and Dooku: What?
Yoda: I said no. Darkness bad. Light side good.
Dooku: *sighs*
Qui-Gon: I’m leaving Jedi Order with Obi-Wan.
Yoda: Then you will never return.
@@mcgavinclapping9490 you quite literally explained how they failed them lol
@@HelFrostKara To his credit, he did try to. All he had was Yoda, though, telling him that he should actually be thankful for people dying around him because hey, they're with the Force now! Guess how that turned out.
Cal kestis did have the help of a living Jedi in order to become a knight. Cere was/is a Jedi and she mentored cal a bit, not a full on master but she did help him
She had completely cut herself off from the force though. So yes she knew stuff, she still didn't have a connection with the force at the time.
That's the point she didn't overboard it and cover him but she helped him when he needed it
@@pineapplepapercrafts except the end of the first game, unless she recut herself off after that.
Plus, she knighted him.
@@butterflymage5623 she didn't.
A huge thing I love about Cal is the actor, he's a great actor. The character deserves a live action movie soon
It's a small shame that the game can't really convey all the facial expressions. He often has "neutral" face when not in a cutscene u-u
@@ForestRaptor Im glad I'm not the only one thinking that. MoCap has come a long way but I subtle facial features are still lacking.
As much as i would love seing Cal in live action and seing Cameron flex his acting skills i don't want to see disney handling Cal's character, i hope i don't need to explain why
Episodes 7, 8, & 9 are all the explanation needed.
@@FoxMagi force awakens isn’t even that bad and while the other 2 r hot garbage Disney still gave us the best Vader scenes and the mandalorian
If all the Jedi who survive order 66 and appeared in movies and games helped the rebels in Episode IV, that movie would be 15 minutes long.
Kanen died. Ezra got taken. One od the other jedi in the mando prolly got le shot.
what if all those who've been captured and turned into Inquisitors, would also be there? 😉
Most of them were dead or in permanent hiding by then
@@peterwong8028 also the galaxy is mind a bogglingly big place.
@chrisflagg1329 Everyone knew about the Rebellion, it's just silly for Disney to have so many survivors who didn't do anything to try and help the people who want to bring back the Republic, or did so in very very small ways
The early Jedi did try to talk, but many darksiders not only rejected them but also became destructive. Eventually the jedi just assumed that as soon as they go dark side theyre going to start killing ppl
And become and Danger to themselves and others...it really was a Nuclear Option
It was in the legends, but weren't old Jed'ai the agressors when some of them started using and developing alchemy? They pulled the trigger first so to say. Who can say whether it was justified or not
@@Aurilion44 No. It's the age-old adage of "Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely."
The first force users discovered they were a minority of the sentient population. But they were granted powers that placed them above their 'normal' peers. Since many of them gathered as pilgrims they sought to understand 'The Call' as they came to realize 'The Force'.
Of course there will always be some who get mistreated for 'being different' or are just simply born ambitious. They come to realize they have power that makes them greater and because of that, they believe that power grants them Power and Authority. In short, they believe themselves to Rule.
It is this temptation that led to the first Dark Jedi. The first ones to wield the Force in Dark Ways. That twisted it from its natural form into a tool made to be wielded by a chosen select few. But as they twisted it, it also twisted them.
Of course there were some among their number who realized that they were not meant to use The Force in this manner and opposed them for it. This is what lead to the First Great Schism. To the Jedi and the Dark Jedi.
It wasn't until the 3rd great schism and the Dark Jedi being banished into space with no way to control their prison ships they crashed on Korriban and took control of the local population of Sith Purebloods. Eventually interbreeding resulted in the race dying out and the Dark Jedi taking on their name and society to create the Sith we know from the dichotomy.
Ambition and Power corrupting people to do dark things. It's not unique to the Jedi.
and they were mostly right. Dark Siders pretty much all started going loopy. It may not have happened instantly but, we don't know of any that had a flat positive effect on the universe the way many Jedi did after they fell.
@@Aurilion44 Yes, they did a orbitial bombardment on Korriban after they won and slaughered a lot of women and children. The Dark Jedi didn't do such they just wanted to give the Jed'ai the smoke. This is why the Sith ended up so bitter and ruthless because after they lost the Jedi were cruel just as they became.
Cal in Fallen Order: Aang
Cal in Jedi Surviver: Zuko after his redemption arc.
What a transformation, exquisite. 🙂
I knew that I wasn't the only one!
Thank you for the Airbender analogy! God bless your geek soul!
So does that mean greez is iroh
Cere was Iroh p much. Greez is more of a Sokka
post season 2 sokka or sexist sokka
I ran a pre-Episode One Star Wars RPG with a group of Jedi investigating the murder of many Padawans/Knights. It turned out that they were part of a group wanting to investigate the Dark Side for balance, and the Council was killing them afraid they were fallen.
One of the best campaigns I’ve ever run
Yooo, that’s a fire story. That sounds so cool!!
Aw man that sounds like such a cool story!!
Interestingly enough, I think this idea was placed into either Legends or Cannon. If I'm not mistaken, even KOTOR2 covered this, but still a cool concept.
@@ExtremeredfoxSounds like you’re talking about the KOTOR comics. Loved those.
PLEASE see if you can make this into an audio series. Make a Kickstarter
This is why I love characters like Ahsoka and Cal, and any of these complex Jedi characters after the purge. The art of Individualism through the Force, recognizing the folly of both the Sith and the Jedi
The Jedi way is not folly, they just got some things wrong. The point of Luke was to show how a true Jedi follows the will of the force with compassion and selflessness. The Sith are the ones who actively pervert the Force
I think an important thing to mention about Cal is that he was also lucky enough to have Cere and Cordova guide him as well. I feel like those two jedi were written very well.
Cordova had great respect for his apprentice Cere. He always believed in her talents and trusted in her decisions. This behavior was adopted by Cere. She always trusted in Cal and knew he could make the tough but right choices. I love that these two jedi were willing to step back and let Cal grow instead of trying to mold him into what the "proper" jedi should be. They simply trusted Cal and acted more as a guiding presence.
Cal didn't just learn how to be a jedi he learned how to be human, that's what kreia wanted to teach meetra surik.
And then she wanted Meetra to be a nuke to the Force.
@@mrjtfang2 well her philosophy wasn't perfect.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 That's the point. She pointed out the failures of the Jedi and the Sith, but more importantly, the imperfect nature of human beings.
@@fatasssquirrel1731 yes.
Kreia was full of shit, full stop. Irl we don't have the Force yey we have forces of great evil
I think Cal also brings in an important level of connection to the Jedi. In the Republic, Jedi were untouchable and aloof monks wandering around in robes to most people. Sure, they're *wise* monks, but they're still fallible people.
I had a similar experience in highschool as an agnostic kid at a Catholic highschool. I initially saw many of the priests and friars as somewhat disconnected from my experiences in life, but the school did a wonderful job of showing that there's more to someone with a religious vow than their vow. One of my favorite teachers was a friar who taught physics, and as a teenage punk (as most boys are in highschool), the priest who was dean of discipline showed that he was able to understand the context of events and react accordingly instead of being a hard headed rulemonger, as well as teaching how to navigate respect for position even in disagreements. One of the head aministrators was a priest who had gone to the school himself and was in the varsity football team, which he was very involved in when he became a staff member. Even though I wasn't and still am not religious, I gained a respect for the person under the robes because there was more to them than baggy clothing.
That long winded wall of text aside, at the school, I learned that the priests and friars weren't *just* clergy. I think Cal Kestis shows this as well, since he's not just some warrior monk. Cal gets involved in peoples' lives. He works at the factories with others and looks out for people. This connection is something the Republic Era Jedi lacked, since they sat in their temples, meditated, and went out to solve disputes, often with politics guiding them rather than the right thing to do. The Jedi were disconnected from the galaxy and people didn't want some strange guy with the Force and a laser sword to come in and tell them what to do in matters they've never had any experience with. By working among the people and learning firsthand how the world works, Cal shows that he's above all else one of the people, not some laser sword space monk.
That was what Luke learnt in the legends books. His New Jedi would have to be a part of the society, rather than apart from it.
There is a great bit of dialog between Cere and Greez in the first game. Greez said that he never met jedi before her. Because they never came to his planet to help his people. His home wasn't important enough for the Republic. Which is very telling
thanks for sharing this brother, it was an awesome read
@@ekaf1735what telling? The galaxy is big, the chance for Jedi to not come to a planet is low and the chance for Greez (only 1 person in a unimportant planet) to meet one is even lower.
Im a middle school teacher anf everything you said about teaching young people is spot on. In my own classroom i focus less on letters of the law and more on spirit of the law. I SHOW them the right way instead of just TELLING THEM. Thats what young kids these days need. Examples to inspire them to be something more.
Cal had that with his master and he decided that he would live it. I myself had a sensei that inspired me. Examples are much more effective than rules. Great video!
Well said! Very thoughtful. The Jedi failed because they banished their shadow rather than seek to integrate it. Thus, they grew fearful and covetous. And when the darkness rose, they could not see it, for they had no conception of darkness. If they had read any Jungian philosophy, they would understand the essential role our dark side plays in our life. Our anger and rage protects us from wrongdoing. Pleasure and attachment are not sins, they are some of the most fundamental aspects of sentience. Why does food taste so good? Because if we didn't derive pleasure from survival tasks, we wouldn't do them.
They started taking their code too literally.
Exactly this. Seperating yourself from the things that draws you to the dark side makes the fall so much easier due to a lack of understanding. It's essentially like having no coping mechanism for when you experience something. If you can find an effective way to deal with it, it's so much easier to work through rather than destroy you.
Reminds me of the story of Artorias. A completely unbeatable warrior in combat, but because his soul had absolutely zero darkness within it, the abyss swallowed him almost instantly.
Why would the incorporate darkness?? You idiots ever consume anything other that the movies? Clearly incorporating darkness leads to the dark side in every instance except one.. but you clowns fake ass Star Wars fans spreading foolishness on RUclips
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly The Lich King?
I really hope we will see Cal in live action i mean his voice actor is an actual actor and a talented one at that
I met Cameron a few years ago at a con in Vancouver super nice
Praise gay Jesus
you say voice actor but in this, he's not just that, Cameron is Cal, I would only apply voice actor to characters that look nothing like the va and didn't mocap
Even Eno Cordova warned the council but they were too busy doing all the things you mentioned not realizing the fall of the Jedi order was on the horizon. The Jedi failed their own order…
They were warned multiple times, even before the clone wars, from the Force to multiple people and they still chose to ignore the trouble until it was too late to do something about it.
Arrogance was their end. They stop seeing the path too accommodated in their self righteousness and being the weapon of the senate.
@@sebas8225
It’s called being influenced by Darth Sidious. They failed but don’t overstate it
This mistaken belief is consistently regurgitated ad nauseam. It is a conceit that the Jedi and the Council were _OMNICIENT_ which they _NEVER_ were. Darth Sidius was a cunning dark _master_ of deceit and manipulation. Even _DISNEY_ Star Wars confirms his power and forethought. The Jedi Council could not believe fringe warnings from individual Jedi that the Sith had returned because _they_ collectively could not sense a locus of Sith evil amidst the waves of everyday evils from which they were _BOUND_ to protect the Galactic Republic. The Jedi Order may have failed _itself_ by not launching an Inquisition, but such an Inquisition is a tool of the Sith and _not_ the Jedi.
@@vintifada7115Sidious merely played on their own arrogance and narrow mindedness. To put it all down to Sidious is not only false, it ignores the major problems with the prequel era Jedi.
I think the story of these games was well written all the characters are unique. Humanizing Cal to not be as rigid to the Jedi code makes him more relatable.
Cal Kestis is kind of like the modern kyle katarn
Or jaden korr,
Those games need a upgrade or remastered
Didn't Ben Yahtzee Croshaw make that comparison when he reviewed Fallen Order?
Yea
I’d call him more of a Jaden Korr or even like Jax Paven. I don’t see him becoming crazy powerful like Kyle Katarn.
Kyle's bandolier and shoulder pauldron is a cosmetic option. So is Dash Rendar's outfit
i dont think many people, even maybe the devs understand how big of a deal Cal and Merrin existing actually is. Here we have the LAST NIGHTSISTER that has an understanding of how to use the dark side without falling into edgelord sith territory, something we have seen it is very VERY possible to teach to other jedi as in the Ventress comics... and Merrin does not only has no excuse to not teach that but is WILLING to do it. These two can bring about a generation of force users that use BOTH light and dark to the point of almost being canon breaking
The balance that Cal has between the light and dark side reminds me of a part of the assassin’s oath from assassin’s creed, “We work in the dark to serve the light.” Even Yoda recognized that the way of the order was very flawed, mainly in their rejection of love. The old order kinda just assumed that it was light side good and dark side bad but if it was ever that simple, than 80% of Star Wars problems would be nonexistent. Cal and Merrin getting together was a massive step for Cal because he gave up on the fight to restore the order because he realized that the order was flawed, that it was his chance to make something more of his life than just the fight. Also with Cal getting with Merrin he runs the massive risk of turning completely to the dark side if something were to happen to her, this is even addressed in the game.I think that for the Jedi to survive and prosper, they all have to make peace with both their light and dark side, which Cal still has a ways to go in that regard. Instead of one side of the force fighting against the other, they have to coexist with one another. The “good” emotions that bring on the light and the “bad” emotions that bring on the dark have to be there. The order tried to banish all the things that could lead one to the dark side, which more times than you would think would work in the opposite way. Take Anakin for an example, when they tried to push him so far into the light that he wasn’t able to experience a life, the hate he felt for the order lead him to the dark, and after being in the dark for so long, his love for his son brought him back to light. For the war between the sides to end, there has to be a using and coexist of them both.
@@playhard5753 Honestly, Anakin loved the Jedi Order, but that was his doom. To hate something first you had to love it. Hate isn't the opposite of love since you still care about something. It's dispassion/being emotionless. Add to this, Jedi Order was pretty hypocritic (big straw of he is too dangerous to be kept alive) and was all about absolutism. You failed once, made a mistake, let dark side move you? That's it, you're gonna be expelled in the very best scenario or much more likely executed, no second chances. So Anakin felt like he had no choice, but jump headfirst into Palpatine's grasp and hope for the best. Didn't work out. Hell, in the end he was saved because despite all his crimes Luke was still willing to help him out in atoning for it and forgive him.
I can imagine in the future, after the Sequels Trilogy, The Jedi Order will be a group of gray Jedi, they will study BOTH sides of the force.
"Falling to the dark side" as a phrase generally refers to having outright already lost your balance of emotions and acting against the Force. You can't really be both at once.
But the techniques and mindsets the Jedi traditionally shun for being too dark, I think do have merit, case in point Merrin herself. Just as human attachment and love were important, yet shunned (and feared, hypocritically) as an official stance. You gotta bend a bit for the better outcome sometimes, the only problem happens when you actually snap.
Zombies are a bit of a squick area though.
And considering where Canon leads after Episode 6, I'd welcome it.
I'm cautiously optimistic about where the future of Star Wars is headed, there are some great writers and directors/producers working in the SW universe.
Highly doubt it
Prepare to be let down.
Keep your expectations low my dude
As long as Witch Kennedy remains, don't expect too high just yet.
I wouldn't put my faith in movies or shows... in fact this saga is the only piece left that keeps me hoping for a good SW story.
I like the direction Lucas took in the prequel trilogy because it makes sense that an organization like that was able to fall despite consisting of incredibly wise space wizards with thousands of years of experience to drawn upon and can literally see the future
It’s called being corrupted and influenced by politics and Darth Sidious
@@vintifada7115 I don't think being misguided and easily tricked are the fatal flaws. That practically describes everyone. The flaw is that Jedi cast judgement on everyone including themselves for having a human, imperfect, experience. And therefore they couldn't see the darkness that the Sith, the Senate, and etc were casting over the Galaxy.
@@wesleywallace4426
See but that’s the thing that’s not what happened. They didn’t cast judgment on him for that. They know that. They ask for more from Jedi than your average person for one. And for two to be MINDFUL of his feelings not to push them away to be dealt with later. Blockages, attachment, darkness…must be overcome mindfully. To read judgement into that scene says a lot about a person.
They did see the darkness. They were actually very close to discovering it. The thing is about darkness is you know you’re clouded in it that’s all you can see. The senate and republic is corrupt, there’s a Sith Lord out there contributing to and causing darkness and that’s about all they can know.
They weren’t easily tricked, misjudged, or judgmental. Their strengths were turned into weaknesses. Their success of one thousand years of peace can make you complacent/unprepared, and their best to remain apolitical and not scheming not political people do led to being politically outmaneuvered. These are flaws but not faults
I always felt like jedi ideology is more about fear and emotional repression than discipline. I also always felt like the tragedy of anakin was that the Jedi failed him. Like he goes to yoda and is like "hey I'm having these emotional panic attacks" and Yoda is basically like, "repress that shit, you will. Shut yourself off from the pain and suffering of others, you must."
Exactly!!!
agreed. Repression and discipline are very different but also, easily intertwined subjects. Repression is an excessive form of discipline. I myself repressed myself in a specific subject thinking that i was being disciplined... that now i see how bad it was for me. It kept me from doing better in some aspects, and tough i didn't mess up in other aspects bc of the repression, i also created many other problems that discipline without repression would be enough to at least, make me mess up very mildly.
since the Jedi are no longer a centralized institution I really see their future like the witcher schools, all with different beliefs and training but the overall message or mission is the same and they let their students out in the wild to further garner their skills on their own.
Honestly they should´ve implemented a concept like this for light sith already, really thought Knights of Ren were going to be something like it but instead it was just: "Group that serves X Sithlord" same as Inquisitors, AKA boring, we should be getting into new stuff like Ro1 Krayt´s sith empire or Light Sith Knights.
Don't forget the moment Cal seemed on the edge of the Dark Side again, but had his friend there to remind him of that edge, of that danger. Merrin specifically told him "If you will ever stray from your path, we will guide you back."
@6:01 wasn’t Cere a Jedi who cut herself off from the Force, but she still knew the ways of the Jedi. She was helping Cal
She also regained the force. And trained Cal.
I don't believe she cut herself off from the force, she suppressed her connection to it out of fear of touching the force
@@vexile1239 she says she cut herself off from the force, as like a punishment. Well I'm pretty sure that's what she said.
@@Barney_rubble983 if she had cut herself off from the connection to the force she could have become like Surik, she would be unable to hear or even use the force and it was shown that she could still use the force near the end of the game
@@Barney_rubble983 She thought she cut herself off from it, but she in fact surpressed Force out of fear/by fear of its power. Just like Cal or Obi-wan. After they all worked out their fears their connection was restored. If she was truly cut off then she would no longer be force sensitive and would have truly and irrevocably lost it apart with very, very rare exceptions
The only thing the Jedi order feared was fear itself
Being outside the Jedi Temple for a couple of decades probably didn't hurt Master Yoda either. Being reduced to near poverty and in hiding gave him plenty of time to rethink things without the burdens of the Temple weighing him down.
Imagine if Cal Kestis channel his inner Joker at his Inquisitor enemies: "It would have been funny if you weren't so pathetic... Well what the heck? I'll laugh anyway!"
Ha ha good one! Also Mark's a joker too!
I always go back to what Taron Malicos said before his boss fight.
The Jedi became stifled by tradition
Deafened by the past glories
Blinded by the endless war.
I see him as the real jedi survivor. Hes my favorite character.
Malicos was a terrifying villain because he wasn't entirely wrong.
This is what I really like about your channel. You not only help expand the lore of one of my favourite entertainment franchises.
But you're teaching me valuable life lessons that are helping me with my depression. Thank you so much, Generation Tech.
25 min upload right in time for my dog walk? Word. Thanks Allen, great stuff as always, can't wait to give this game a spin in like a week after I replay fallen order
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Great point. Also respect for writers for making Cal lean into dark side not just for plot point about dark side. When it happens for first time, it feels like a natural feeling to experience at this moment
To be fair, the Prequel Era Jedi Order was flawed yes, but overall the Jedi Way still jas its merits overall, as a philosophy. As a way of life.
It's interesting too, how the Night Sisters are able to handle the "Darker" aspects of the Force without going overboard like many Sith do, who succumb to the corruption, the Dark Side.
That would also explain how Cal is able to not fully succumb, considering how his Dathomir-gal likely helps out with managing emotions.
Even Luke makes sure that Emotions and Relationships aren't wiped from his student's lives. He allows feelings to occur, and shows how to properly mediate if needed.
It’s crazy the degree to which today’s Star Wars fan is basically willing to look for every Jedi to be this mystical “grey Jedi” as much as possible when the light side has always been the truth. The Star Wars universe canon has always been that the dark side has always been evil. It’s not some middle ground that’s good. The dark side is all corrupting and evil. People may think it’s different than the real world and so do I, but that’s not an in universe canon explanation. That’s peoples own morality dictating their “head canon.” Frustrating. I’ve seen people claim Ahsoka is better than Yoda lmfao
@@vintifada7115IKR, it’s like yeah the old Jedi messed up, but they were just missing some important parts like love and connection. They still stood for 1000 generations doing plenty of good. Jedi and Sith are not the same, although the old order had become similar in that they were not following the will of the Force via the balance. A true Jedi like Luke and Qui gon serve the balance of light and dark.
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No dude you’re still wrong. You’re exactly the kind of person I’m talking about who thinks they understand and you still say some garbage. Somehow there’s a balance between good and evil? How are you going to sit there and claim Qui Gon and Luke serve both the light and dark? What kind of backwards view of the entire saga do you have? And so is the council despite peoples’ protestations btw. It’s just that good guys sometimes fail bc the dark side is overwhelming. Love was there in TCW. Love was in the movies too it’s downplayed by people like you or the RUclipsrs you’ve watched who don’t care to be honest
@@vintifada7115 no I mean the dark side is a part of the balance but the point is that the balance is in the light while acknowledging the dark. Whereas a Sith is consumed by the dark side and inherently goes against will of the Force ie the balance. So equal parts Jedi and Sith are not balance. A true Jedi and the will of the Force are the balance
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Sure it’s just not rejecting your dark side it’s overcoming it. Be mindful of your feelings Yoda says. Ig you were closer than I initially thought but Luke and Qui Gon are not unique in that way from other Jedi that’s what I’m getting at. You’ve got part of it right but still fall for the cult of Qui Gon anti council stuff. Luke’s great he openly has a great understanding of balance as demonstrated in the throne room scene of ROTJ but it’s not one that’s opposed to Yoda, Mace, Obi Wan etc….Anakin didn’t apply the lessons
Cal and Kannin both have a similar set up, but Cal just takes it further. both learned the basics of the Jedi and the force but they never learned the 'proper interpretation and thinking" the order promoted. A lot like fan before the expanded universe they were left to interpret what to do with the teaching all on their own.
Exactly it's like the people that are self-taught look at Eddie Van Halen R.I.P.
He never had guitar lessons, he was known as one who improvised like Mozart.
Never thought of Cal's journey this way! He's an amazing character.
I’m a huge StarWars fan. I’ve been watching Star Wars movies since the 80s. I was just telling my friend the other day that Cals story and the games are my favorite stories in the entire franchise. They absolutely nailed it with Fallen Order and Survivor. It’s been so awesome to play these games and experience what it’s like to be a Jedi first hand.
Cal is the sequel trilogy protagonist we deserved
Both Jedi games are terrific. By far the best thing that Star Wars has done since Disney took over. Cal is great and I hope other Star Wars creators can learn from him and his story.
This is an awesome piece of work. I love how you clearly yet not obnoxiously drew a parallel between the Jedi’s downfall and contemporary politics
Also using the pressure of being 10 and being in order 66 as a thing when he became an adult and repressed his force abilities (at least that was the vibe i was getting) was one of the most brilliant mechanics they had in Fallen Order.
I'm getting into a role at my current job where I'm having to build leadership teams and train managers under me. this video really opened my eyes and I wrote out a whole document about how to lead with Jedi values which i just called "the Jedi Strategy" and this video and your philosophical views on the jedi and how it applies to real life really helped with that.
I'd rather have Cal start a New Jedi Order than freakin' Rey any day of the galactic week.
Welp let's hope Disney takes you up on that offer probably not
One of the big things to think of with all the Star Wars trilogies is that many were written in reaction to certain real world events.
Thought provoking stuff. This and the last few videos. I think it’s safe to say that even the Mandalorians, with their warlike ways, have a more sustainable thing going than the Jedi order we’ve seen ever did. Hell, both groups could probably benefit from some cross training. I vaguely recall Ahsoka teaching some kind of ethics class on Mandalore back in Clone Wars for example. More recently Din tanking Grogu out to journey in the galaxy as a form of apprenticeship seems similar in concept but different in practice to the Jedi version
The Mandalorians rendered their planet a wasteland fyi
The biggest problem the sequel trilogy had was that it assumed Luke was loved because he beat Vader. Most of us were attatched to him because of what he did after that, and Disney erased all of it on favor of a new timeline.
I... don't agree... But that's okay.
People just dont get why Luke Skywalker is loved.
Defeating Vader was just a facet of what Luke Skywalker was as a character he was a FAMILY MAN! And that was the entire point of the Sequel EU canon, his new Jedi Order was supposed to be cemented on this notion of Family, something Disney betrayed when it had that horrendous scene of Luke trying to kill Kylo.
Luke never would do that.
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But the THOUGHT he might frightened him just like it would've frightened anyone of good conscience. Skywalker's don't do well with visions.
@@K1ng1995Luke isn't Anakin though, that was the whole point of his arc in ROTJ. Anakin would probably have reacted like that but not Luke.
@@fandomking8939 I never said he was. But children of people who have a history of substance abuse or a genetic disorder means the odds CAN be that much higher
I love your messages of goodness at the start of your videos. Thank you Alan
Cal is basically like a jedi from Luke's academy from legends
I think it would be neat to see a Jedi around Fallen Order's area in the timeline get captured and he returns in Andor as an Inquisitor. Or anything of the sort to see a Jedi forced turn-coat.
Cal Kestis is the gigachad Jedi. He’s dating a freaking nightsister witch for God’s sake
The nightsisters used dark side magick and alchemy, and usually they did dark stuff. And yet they were not evil. They interpreted the dark side as just a magical thing, and they used it. They knew emotions could channel this magick better, but they were very happy people. They had very strong bonds and a way of life that they enjoyed, there was nothing inherently evil. They could do evil things, but more often than not they didn’t. They even met Jedi on certain occasions and weren’t hostile at all.
I like that you are going deep with certain themes relating them to our world themes, and how important human values are. I was touched deeply. Thank you. 🌺
As a young kid, before the prequels, I remember putting on my karate outfit because it was the closest thing I had that resembled what Luke Skywalker was wearing in episode 4 lol.....Anyway, the sad but somewhat beautiful (to me at least) part is that I'd dress up like that when I'd learn that a member of my family had passed away. I'd dress up like that and try to meditate to calm myself. I knew SW was just. a movie, but I liked the idea that some energy is keeping the world in harmony and that being in tune with the rest of the world made you feel more at peace and in harmony with the rest of the world. I mean....I was probably 6 years old, and let's be honest, Lucas himself openly admits that the Jedi and the force are inspired by philosophical/theological/whatever ideas that were popular in the 60's and 70's. When I wanted to play SW I'd usually dress like Han solo (which meant wearing a white shirt and a black vest :p) but the Jedi stuff was really more to help me through tough time and I'll always be grateful for that.
Even the original trilogy they said Yoda said about Being to old.
And he described the Jedi order in training
Every week you surprise me with how masterfully you can pull important life lessons and perspectives from this amazing world.
It’s amazing
This video was poetic. I appreciate the perspective and approach to not only the analysis but delivery. Top tier video! 👏
I wonder if Cal will appear in Bad Batch Season 3, Andor Season 2 or Ahsoka tv show?
bad batch is unlikely as he is still a child in the early empire. meeting the bad batch and eventually fighting the empire would hurt his story since he isnt supposed to fight the empire until the events on the dumpster planet in the first game.
Andor is also unlikely since the creators of the show are against using established characters or characters from other media in their show. They dont want to make the universe small and keep the stories seperate.
Ahsoka though could work. Kestis could be written to be in his prime and the age of the actor fits the time period. Filoni is also the type of creator to always have cameos and connect everything.
Kinda doubt we will be seeing him in anything live action for a few years tbh. KK made it sound like they were waiting for his trilogy of games to be complete and that story told before they consider putting him in any of the live action projects, as per what she said when asked about the subject in a recent interview anyways.
Tho he could be in some like the Bad Batch season 3. Like, the Bad Batch could be on a mission and run into a young Cal on Bracca or whatever planet his escape pod crashed on. The Bad Batch were already on Bracca in the first season sooo
Older cal in mando would be cool
@@GalaktischerHirnsauger during ahsoka Cal would be 43
@@hexfire3037 so Ahsoka is 47 in that??
I so love your channel because you're just having a conversation with us about Star Wars rather than reading a script with the same inflections over an over. Thank You!
I love how in survivor cal has a great balance with the light and dark. He’s learned to use the dark side for his will to do good instead of the other way around.
It reminds me of something cal says in one of the cantina conversations in jedi survivor. "The jedi don't have a monopoly on virtue, or the force."
If he doesn't show up and Rey's new movie in 2025. To help her restart the Jedi order or like help teach her more about being a Jedi I'm going to be so pissed cuz he's freaking amazing and he's been a Jedi longer than her so it also logically makes sense
Nah cal is a gay liberal that’s destined to make all new mistakes because he’s incapable of learning from the old mistakes.
He looks like Ian gallagher from shameless so they'd use that actor
@@FreshHotTar and from what we see. He learned some tricks from Mark and seems to enjoy being in the universe. Plus old man kestis teaching rey would give her some type of help plot wise and tie up his character if they don't give him a show or another game
@@jaimiebrown4055 I'd be down for all of that but knowing Disney's track record, they'll probably fuck it up. Sucks that they have a near endless budget but can't Hire good story writers.
@@FreshHotTar we can only hope.
I like the way this goes beyond just jedi and rather becomes a bit of a commentary of how to nurture younger individuals to be their best selves
Cal is basically how Kyle Katarn chose to conduct himself and teach his students.
I’m genuinely thrilled you’ll be doing a play though - I haven’t played a platforming and puzzle solving game since prince of Persia
The story in Frozen is a good example of the major flaw in the Jedi’s attitude towards emotions and attachments (love). The trolls tell the parents to have Elsa learn to control her powers, but instead they make her suppress them and isolate her (emotionally and physically) from the person she loves the most, Anna. Creating a time bomb that almost destroyed a kingdom.
The Jedi could have been taught to master their emotions in a healthy way. To use healthy emotional attachments to strengthen themselves and their connection to the force. They could have mitigated or eliminated the fear of loss with something about how everyone returns to the force, so no loved one is ever lost, as long as you stay connected (and don’t go evil, some shit like that).
I like Cal, I like the idea of a Jedi who has loved ones and doesn’t feel shame about it or like he has to choose. He feels more like a real person, then just a one or two note character.
Frozen was a great Jedi metaphor!
@YunusDrillinger because strangely, it's a fitting metaphor of why the previous Jedi Order failed.
Dude... I feel there is more emotion and personal experiences being said there then commenting on the game itself. This is one of you better videos in awhile. I was actually moved by what you were saying, not just about a game, but I feel you also touched on life as well... Well Done
I really appreciate your videos. Your insight into human physiology is really awesome. Keep up the good work.
He is one of my favorite jedi because like kanan and ezra they were the left over from order 66 but cals story starts when his master was killed and he got the lightsaber and he’s not really a jedi to me anymore I feel him being a grey jedi but more light side oriented is him he never learned the ways of the jedi so he had to put his own pieces together and making himself the best jedi he thought he could be and I’m excited for the next chapter in his story
Yeah he´s a interesting Grey Jedi for Sure, Ahsoka would´ve been fine fighting up the empire directly whereas Cal would be like: "We gotta rescue the refugees and leave them in a safe haven instead" type of character
If I remember the original Jedi had a very decentralized structure, more about sharing different ideas and methods than a hard line curriculum. These early jedi masters would travel throughout the young galaxy and even across the fledgling Republic worlds and a master could have several apprentices. They even studied and shared with other force-sensitive traditions such as the Baran Do sages of Dorin. It was only later that the Jedi Order began to ossify and consolidate their members and sought to focus and dogmatize their order on Coruscant. I think that if Cal Kestis ever creates a new order it should be along these lines. Not tied to any one temple or nation and more about discovering the Force and bringing balance than trying to narrowly define and limit themselves.
I think you mean the predecessors of jedi, the jedi have been dogmatic for atleast 5 thousand years.
Reminds me of the transition of the early Latin church into the modern day papacy, very decentralized AT FIRST
Another good example of the master/apprentice relationship working out well is Kanan and Ezra. Ezra was tempted multiple times to succumb to the dark side and yet he still walked the path of light with no formal Jedi training
Phenomenal analysis.
Love this kind of content!
A New Hope released on May 25, 1977. VHS was released from Japan and launched into the US on August 23, 1977.
You are *technically* correct that it came out before most people could watch a second time at home, and as we know, that is the best kind of correct.
There's some great life lessons to be learned here. Thanks for sharing.
That opening statement and quality of your video just earned you a subscriber. Good on you man.
I still remember a quote from Kyle Katarn. "Force abilities are not inherently good or evil. It's how you use them."
There was a Jedi named Jolee Bindo from Knights of the Old Republic that said; "Love doesn't lead to the Dark Side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... But passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... That's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... Not condemn you."
Dude, this is an awesome video. This is why these games is so great, what story, great thoughts, great story, lotsa lessons, wonderful stories for thought and discussion. Great job, thanks.
This is a fantastic dive into understanding and applying the logic of star wars. Too many star wars creators totally misunderstand that the jedi order was actually really flawed fundamentally, and that in order to adapt the old understanding of jedi needed to die.
Cal would have made Qui-Gon proud.
In my opinion, KOTOR 2 did the best job of displaying Jedi and Sith at both their best and worst. There hasn't been any media other than SWTOR that really explored the moral grey areas both organizations would tread, often at odds with their own supposed doctrines.
And no Cal used the Dark Side in Jedi Survivor, simply out of hate for Bode. He trusted the man on countless adventures, only to face the harsh truth and watch the people he cared about die.
At first, he watched Dagan’s life through Force Echoes, understanding his past and learning from his failures. But, Cal had also noticed that he was also becoming like the fallen Jedi. It terrified him, making him question his own choices and his motives. I think that this was a small hint of Cal going to embrace the Dark Side.
Though not fully, as we saw that he only used it out of anger. He wanted to kill Bode, but he never really succumbed to his hate. He did, in the end, kill Bode. But not out of choice-Bode was becoming too dangerous for everyone.
Cal’s still a Jedi. And he knows the pull the Dark Side can allure.
I hope that in a third game, Kal establishes a new jedi order hopefully with Grogu and possibly Ezra. Ik it's a longshot, but it's so dissapointing that Luke's jedi order all got killed by a ""storm"" (according to the comics). Would be cool to see Rey find this secret Jedi order in her movie and work with Kal to expand it.
I could absolutely see Cal forming a secret Jedi Order on Tanalorr, and them eventually losing the means to leave (the compasses get destroyed or lost). Then they get found during the Ahsoka series or something. Heck, maybe that's where the hyperspace whales took Ezra
@@jacobcenter7374 Would be awesome to seeing Thrawn talking to force users!
my favorite thing about Cal is that when the Darkside did git to him he didn't let it control him. he found a balance in himself, and the force and took control of the Darkside and now uses both it shows that to find the balance in the force old jedi was talking about you need to just accept who you are and the emotions you fill because holding it in will make it easier to just fall.
Thus story was absolutely beautiful!!! Easily one of my favorite stories in Star Wars of all time!
Not having a toxic relationship…I think over half of parents have to put their hand down after that one. I was never a star wars or jedi fan but watching this makes me more interested to go deeper. Making the analysis of this media relevant, relatable and instilling some utility in it is done really well. Subscribed.
As popular as the Timothy Zahn Trilogy books were, it is more widely accepted that the Reason George Lucas started preproduction on Ep1 was based on Toy sales. Lucas was notoriously unhappy with the Kenner deal in which he only saw a return of $0.05 on the Dollar. Attempts to renegotiate failed and Lucas vowed never to make another Star Wars movie. Kenner kept the contract as long as Lucas received a minimum payment of $10,000 annually and when Hasbro bought Kenner they inherited the contract but did not pay Lucas the $10K and therefore nullifying the contract. The Following year Lucas made the announcement that Ep1 was in the works. So yes, while these events all occurred within the same few years, I feel that Lucas' motivations were more likely revenue from a new merchandise deal rather than the popularity of Zahn's novels. IMO
Oh yes, George definitely wanted more toy sales revenue no debate, he was greedy and thats how Star Wars got sold to Disney in the firstplace, George did it for money and in some part Ego and brings it whenever someone asks him about star wars.
I’m amazed with this video and how well you analyzed his character, relationships growth, and human nature. Really well done and inspiring
Well said. I love your videos and commentary
Generation Tech is home to some of the best takes on the internet, not just about Star Wars but, life, history, philosophy, ethics and more. It never ceases to impress me how much wisdom and common sense Alan reads into and out of these fictional epics we love so much.
I'm a Christian and I could write entire books about how everything said about the Jedi Order in this video mirrors why Christianity has declined so severely as the focus of religious institutions has continued to ignore the paramount nature of personal relationship with The Creator, with Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, favoring instead, dogmatic lists of dos, don'ts and fire and brimstone messaging to keep believers in line.
A Jedi who has a healthy relationship with the Force does not need complex hierarchy and rules to tell him/her what is right or wrong and act accordingly. The right thing will come as naturally to them as drinking water. The sane can be said of a person's relationship with God. But, you almost never hear that said in either case because institutions and hierarchies exist to perpetuate themselves, not to lift up the members of their cadre.
That's just one very personal parallel to real life I was instantly able to draw from this commentary because, like I said at the beginning, some of the best takes the internet has on any subject live right here at Generation Tech. Alan, you're an absolute G.
I agree with your take on the older generation having this worsening perspective that is born from the decaying of their childhood dreams and view of the world. It happens everyday and how every older person reacts to the reality of life varies on a lot of different factors especially how they were raised. Which for today’s older people, most did not have good experiences as children and feel bitter that “I didn’t get to do that” or the amazing “I suffered so you have to suffer too”. The ability to help is there but it’s a choice that most turn away from because they have resentment from when they experienced trauma. I think making sure the next generation doesn’t struggle in this or that is the most important thing. It’s what defines progress and growth in not only humanity, but the relationships that we all hold together.
To withhold help out of resentment from when they experienced trauma is terrible lol. I'm not sure "most" turn away from it. Most people use that experience to feel too much empathy to watch others suffer the same way. They try to warn and prevent the same mistakes.
Cal Kestis is my absolute favorite Jedi. I hope he lives up to "the other chosen one", which he is to me. He re-invents what it means to be a Jedi, along with other characters.
This is honestly why I love Dooku as well. He wanted to explore the dark side and learned just how blind the Jedi truly were. I think of course that he went too far with it, but I don’t think it was consumption from the dark side but rather a very understandable hatred of the Jedi *order*
I really really enjoyed this video and the points you make honestly have the greatest reflection for real life too and this is the kind of stuff I really enjoy finding stuff like this I hope you continue and male more videos like this dude I loved this type of video man 😊
The Jedi order was so scared of something natural like the dark side that they didn’t understand that everyone has influences from the dark side no matter who they are I’m sure even people like yoda and Obiwan had experiences with the dark side but they knew not to embrace it
Isn’t…isnt…isn’t the entire prequel series proof the Jedi were wrong? 🤣😂
Yes but Jedi fanboys missed the point.
I like how Bode contrasts Cal, showing how love and connections can lead to people calling to the dark side