To be fair, it’s much easier to tell a fleshed out story in a video game than a movie or tv series. But no new movies or shows will ever recreate that feeling of watching the og trilogy for the first time
@@phillipssteven45 well if you know the politics going on behind apex, respawn just bends over backwards for anything EA wants, so AFAIK at this point they're one and the same
Cal Kestis reminded me that the Jedis were also Humans You sometimes forget that when you Look at theire Order they feel emotionally detached but Cal felt different
I think that the main reason why i like Cal is his personality. For me, he is a common person, and you can easilyput yourself in his place, but he is also morally strong enough to continue fighting even after all what he's been through. I also like the fact that he understood that order is gone, so there is no such rules about attachments (Yeah, it was Bode's plan, but it shows that he had feelings for Merrin, and he was ready to trust in his heart, even if this will play against him). This is it. And sorry for my english.
After you beat the game you can find an echo of bodes where he is talking to himself and basically acknowledges he cares about Cal enough that he has to verbally remind himself "kata comes first".
@@butterflymage5623 I honestly don't remember exactly as there are a handful of his echos that pop up in different locations/worlds after the story is over. Try the landing pad in koboh and looking around on jedha.
When he introduces Cal to Kata He calls him "his best Friend" He genuinenly loved Cal He calls him Brother and wanted him to be on Tanalore to with his friends and the Woman He loves, He even pushes him to confess to her and follow his heart Its when Cal wanted to use the Beacon for Strangers He felt that his daughter was in danger, Kata always comes first for him even if He has to kill his best friend and brother Like He said He was a Father foremost
@@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419 exactly. As a father myself, i think bodes position is legitimate and cal not having a child couldn't possibly understand. Now that cal is essentially responsible for kata, will be interesting to see if they have cals character growing in such a way that he begins to understand bode on a level that gives him a lot of inner conflict/regret.
@@butterflymage5623 there's one in lucrehulk and so on... but also you'd find echoes that we wanted to turn cal and he was figuring out a way mostly before you guys really confirmed that tanalorrr is a possibility.
Haven’t beat survivor yet but Cal and his gang explore so much of interesting stuff of the star wars lore. His motivation to take down the empire and bring back the jedi feels more personal than some of the movies *cough cough sequels cough*
Cals character wasn’t boring to me but young and I wasn’t sold yet on his devotion to those around him in Fallen Order. There was something missing. In Survivor. He sold me on his confidence and fell in love with his character. I hope he gets a live action show too !
What the fuck are you talking about "sold on his devotion to those around him"? Go lecture the empire or the Bedlam Raiders or the Haxion Brood. Don't forget in the second game, Merrin ran off to explore the galaxy, Cere ran off to hide in a cave, and Greez left to go start a saloon. When order 66 hit, he lost any requirement to adhere to an order or do this or that. Things simply became a matter of survival. Despite that, he did take on additional responsibilities. Where the fuck in any of that do you see a "lack of devotion"? He had to convince everybody in Jedi Survivor to even follow the Tanalorr route. He's been leading the group since day one. What are you talking about? You're crazy.
Agreed, Cal has become one of my favorite Star Wars characters. Like many have mentioned, I liked him in Fallen Order, but Survivor really made you care so much more.
I was hope they showed a darker Cal, but I didn’t think they actually show him tap into the darkside and fight using dark abilities. I hope they continue that story arc, it’s one that’s not used so often in SW.
@@ulfrthewolf5065 I think you missed what I’m trying to say. I realize Cal does utilize crush and choke when he is in rage mode. All I was simply saying is that I hope they build upon a darker Cal for the next game.
If he stays on that path he could be a top tier Jedi in the future, Mace Windu tier. Remember that Windu used the seventh form of combat, involving abilities from the dark side of the force. Cal seems to be able to control dark side powers while staying on the light side. Windu had enough power to defeat Palpatine, if Anakin hadn't betrayed him. Cal could be in the same level in the future if he finds any of the surviving masters and receives proper training.
I think what really make Cal work similarly to Pedro Pascal as The Mandalorian and Diego Luna as Cassian Andor is Cameron Monaghan’s amazing performance. Dude has always been a phenomenal actor just look at how great he was on Gotham as the Joker. The show got more views whenever he was in an episode and for good reason. Cameron really made Cal his own and he isn’t one note or perfect at everything. Cal has a sort of innocence to him despite being alone for 5 years in jedi fallen order, but then gradually loses that in survivor when he feels the pull of the dark and finally losing cere. It’s sort of a story on trauma. I mean cal was basically a child soldier who lost everything and everyone in one go. It’s absolutely perplexing how out of all disney Star Wars Cal’s story is so much better written and acted than so much of the other stuff they are doing and that is also due to the stellar performances of everyone around him.
What I like about Cal is every ability he has was earned. It was refreshing to see a Jedi actually want to be a Jedi. He still believes that the order can be saved and revived. He makes decisions that are not the easiest to do but it's the right thing to do. He's resilient and he's noble.
They also chose a great actor. He played Ian Gallagher and a lot of other amazing characters. Cal kestis is now my favorite Jedi since survivor, fallen order I just started liking him but survivor sealed the deal. What I love most about cal though is though he lacks unrefined raw power in the force cal has a plethora of special and rare force abilities that they don’t normally show you.
You hit it pretty much perfectly. For me, if you take away all the original characters from the first 6 films. He is just a tick below ashoka for me and thats saying ALOT! I can't wait to see him implemented into live action, and hopefully they do it right
I was ready to leave the Star Wars franchise forever after how Disney butchered it. But this game, it made me love the universe again. It gave me hope. A sad, and painful hope, but hope nonetheless. Maybe Star Wars can survive, just like Cal and Merrin. I just don’t want to get burned by this franchise again. But this game was great, despite the shit launch.
Cal Kestis is basically the DA2 Hawke of the Star Wars universe. He is a lowly Jedi with no special lineage who has become a major threat on the board simply by never giving up.
I can say he did ended up being a pretty good Star Wars character later on that I like with the Star Wars Jedi games better than all of those garbage sequel trilogy character in my opinion
Cal is an amazing character. In a sense he is a better Anakin, like Anakin love/romantic subplot is drawing him away from being a jedi. With Cal its more believable, and his attachments and losses are more compelling than Anakin's were. But central for me, and where modern star wars seems to be kind of failing, Cal is likable in that he can make friends, pursue a romance and deeply care about the people around him. It makes him feel more grounded and makes you want to root for him.
Honestly, I don't care about the movies and shows under Disney after the sequels, Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor is really the only thing keeping me in the Star wars community now... Also, I hope Cal meets Ahsoka or maybe Obi-Wan around the time Luke meets him, maybe a new Jedi Order hiding out on the edge of the Galaxy while Luke is doing his thing?
My only problems with cal kestis is that he belongs to the Disney star wars universe, and that Kathleen Kennedy social justice feminist activits story group love to write low testosterone weak, emasculated and humiliated male characters, they ruined luke, han, obi wan, vader, dooku, ect, if cal kestis were in the EU he would a badass powerful masculine character
Did you even play the Game? Cal was kicking Ass He was just faced with impossible Odds but He still pushed through and got up again and again and on top of that got the Woman of his dreams If that isnt a strong Character than idk
It’s cuz he’s not a Jedi he’s a survivor there’s a difference in the way they live, fight, think, an npc even says this about cal in a convo something along the lines of “you look real gentle on the outside but I can see in your eyes you’re a predator” something like that. A survivor is fundamentally different it’s like Rick from Twd who ate a man’s neck to survive a fight cal will use his surroundings and do anything he can to survive and protect those he loves.
The answer to the question is simple and easy. We're surrounded by feminist propaganda right now and the games were a curve ball. They featured so many men in a "neutral way" and a lot of men in "heroic ways" too. In the first game, Prauf dies saving Cal almost immediately. In the second game, yes a woman dies, but Bravo and the twins also immediately die, by Cals side. Cere Junda didn't play the feminist cards, Merrin didn't play the feminist cards. Cere Junda was just a "jedi survivor" who found a new padawan and didn't abandon him to die. Merrin "came around" to Cals side. She played a very natural "self defensive" and "protective" role on her planet in the first game and gave off a lot of what I would call "accurate vibes". And she naturally came around to understand Cal, and then decided she didn't need to stay on Dathomir and suffer with all of her dead family. In both games, even if the "protagonist characters" had real visible flaws, they weren't portrayed like barbarians or inherently evil.
Yeah I'm not a big fan of Jedi during Yoda's era of leadership at all as a whole but I really do like Cal Kestis due to how he's been put together & mapped out as a person in that StarWarsCanon Universe 🔥.
Imagine a video game dev company igniting everyone’s love for Star Wars again, but Hollywood can’t lmao
To be fair, it’s much easier to tell a fleshed out story in a video game than a movie or tv series. But no new movies or shows will ever recreate that feeling of watching the og trilogy for the first time
and ea at that too lol
It’s passion vs profit and in the end the passion will be rewarded with profit ....that’s now my quote
@@tsenohebot4853 Respawn. EA is just the boss or something idk the full title
@@phillipssteven45 well if you know the politics going on behind apex, respawn just bends over backwards for anything EA wants, so AFAIK at this point they're one and the same
He is the definition of character development
Cal Kestis reminded me that the Jedis were also Humans
You sometimes forget that when you Look at theire Order they feel emotionally detached but Cal felt different
I think that the main reason why i like Cal is his personality. For me, he is a common person, and you can easilyput yourself in his place, but he is also morally strong enough to continue fighting even after all what he's been through.
I also like the fact that he understood that order is gone, so there is no such rules about attachments (Yeah, it was Bode's plan, but it shows that he had feelings for Merrin, and he was ready to trust in his heart, even if this will play against him).
This is it. And sorry for my english.
His persistence is admirable. And you're correct; he is a common person and you can relate to him, unlike the Skywalkers etc.
After you beat the game you can find an echo of bodes where he is talking to himself and basically acknowledges he cares about Cal enough that he has to verbally remind himself "kata comes first".
Where do you find it?
@@butterflymage5623 I honestly don't remember exactly as there are a handful of his echos that pop up in different locations/worlds after the story is over. Try the landing pad in koboh and looking around on jedha.
When he introduces Cal to Kata He calls him "his best Friend" He genuinenly loved Cal He calls him Brother and wanted him to be on Tanalore to with his friends and the Woman He loves, He even pushes him to confess to her and follow his heart
Its when Cal wanted to use the Beacon for Strangers He felt that his daughter was in danger, Kata always comes first for him even if He has to kill his best friend and brother
Like He said He was a Father foremost
@@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419 exactly. As a father myself, i think bodes position is legitimate and cal not having a child couldn't possibly understand. Now that cal is essentially responsible for kata, will be interesting to see if they have cals character growing in such a way that he begins to understand bode on a level that gives him a lot of inner conflict/regret.
@@butterflymage5623 there's one in lucrehulk and so on... but also you'd find echoes that we wanted to turn cal and he was figuring out a way mostly before you guys really confirmed that tanalorrr is a possibility.
Haven’t beat survivor yet but Cal and his gang explore so much of interesting stuff of the star wars lore. His motivation to take down the empire and bring back the jedi feels more personal than some of the movies *cough cough sequels cough*
Mah boi Cal getting the credit he has always deserved
It's deserved. He's an underdog that's what draws me to him it's what made him my favorite
@@baki484 thats what makes him more interesting than Marey Sue
i think these two games genuinely saved star wars for me lol i really enjoy Cal and i hope he doesn’t die in the third game lol
Im just happy He didnt die in the second 😅
Ong
I feel like he has to die or settle down with Merrin in the third.
@@peculiar3529we need Cal and Merrin’s relationship in live action
I wanna see him cross over into the live action
Cals character wasn’t boring to me but young and I wasn’t sold yet on his devotion to those around him in Fallen Order. There was something missing.
In Survivor. He sold me on his confidence and fell in love with his character. I hope he gets a live action show too !
What the fuck are you talking about "sold on his devotion to those around him"? Go lecture the empire or the Bedlam Raiders or the Haxion Brood.
Don't forget in the second game, Merrin ran off to explore the galaxy, Cere ran off to hide in a cave, and Greez left to go start a saloon.
When order 66 hit, he lost any requirement to adhere to an order or do this or that. Things simply became a matter of survival. Despite that, he did take on additional responsibilities.
Where the fuck in any of that do you see a "lack of devotion"? He had to convince everybody in Jedi Survivor to even follow the Tanalorr route.
He's been leading the group since day one. What are you talking about? You're crazy.
Agreed, Cal has become one of my favorite Star Wars characters. Like many have mentioned, I liked him in Fallen Order, but Survivor really made you care so much more.
I was hope they showed a darker Cal, but I didn’t think they actually show him tap into the darkside and fight using dark abilities. I hope they continue that story arc, it’s one that’s not used so often in SW.
He used force crush & force choke
@@ulfrthewolf5065 I think you missed what I’m trying to say. I realize Cal does utilize crush and choke when he is in rage mode. All I was simply saying is that I hope they build upon a darker Cal for the next game.
Well not to spoil survivor for you buddy but.....
@@tsenohebot4853 I beat it twice. Once on NG+… one of the firs people to have nearly all the achievements, you aren’t spoiling anything buddy.
If he stays on that path he could be a top tier Jedi in the future, Mace Windu tier.
Remember that Windu used the seventh form of combat, involving abilities from the dark side of the force. Cal seems to be able to control dark side powers while staying on the light side.
Windu had enough power to defeat Palpatine, if Anakin hadn't betrayed him. Cal could be in the same level in the future if he finds any of the surviving masters and receives proper training.
I think what really make Cal work similarly to Pedro Pascal as The Mandalorian and Diego Luna as Cassian Andor is Cameron Monaghan’s amazing performance. Dude has always been a phenomenal actor just look at how great he was on Gotham as the Joker. The show got more views whenever he was in an episode and for good reason. Cameron really made Cal his own and he isn’t one note or perfect at everything. Cal has a sort of innocence to him despite being alone for 5 years in jedi fallen order, but then gradually loses that in survivor when he feels the pull of the dark and finally losing cere. It’s sort of a story on trauma. I mean cal was basically a child soldier who lost everything and everyone in one go. It’s absolutely perplexing how out of all disney Star Wars Cal’s story is so much better written and acted than so much of the other stuff they are doing and that is also due to the stellar performances of everyone around him.
Totally agree. My perfect poncho jedi
What I like about Cal is every ability he has was earned. It was refreshing to see a Jedi actually want to be a Jedi. He still believes that the order can be saved and revived. He makes decisions that are not the easiest to do but it's the right thing to do. He's resilient and he's noble.
I love how he uses the Jedi mind trick
I love how he uses force crush, rage, and force choke ! 😈
@@jamariojackson4289 npc ahh comment
@@Anonymous-bm6mv Cool thnx your opinion idc. 👍
@@jamariojackson4289 is that a kink? 😅
@@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419 Definitely 😌 😉
They also chose a great actor. He played Ian Gallagher and a lot of other amazing characters. Cal kestis is now my favorite Jedi since survivor, fallen order I just started liking him but survivor sealed the deal.
What I love most about cal though is though he lacks unrefined raw power in the force cal has a plethora of special and rare force abilities that they don’t normally show you.
You hit it pretty much perfectly. For me, if you take away all the original characters from the first 6 films. He is just a tick below ashoka for me and thats saying ALOT! I can't wait to see him implemented into live action, and hopefully they do it right
Cal Kestis is the GOAT.
I was ready to leave the Star Wars franchise forever after how Disney butchered it. But this game, it made me love the universe again. It gave me hope. A sad, and painful hope, but hope nonetheless. Maybe Star Wars can survive, just like Cal and Merrin. I just don’t want to get burned by this franchise again. But this game was great, despite the shit launch.
This game 🎮 reminds me of return of the Jedi in video game from
Cal Kestis is basically the DA2 Hawke of the Star Wars universe. He is a lowly Jedi with no special lineage who has become a major threat on the board simply by never giving up.
I agree
I can say he did ended up being a pretty good Star Wars character later on that I like with the Star Wars Jedi games better than all of those garbage sequel trilogy character in my opinion
He's got Yaddle as grandmaster, he's gonna be fine
Cal is an amazing character. In a sense he is a better Anakin, like Anakin love/romantic subplot is drawing him away from being a jedi. With Cal its more believable, and his attachments and losses are more compelling than Anakin's were.
But central for me, and where modern star wars seems to be kind of failing, Cal is likable in that he can make friends, pursue a romance and deeply care about the people around him. It makes him feel more grounded and makes you want to root for him.
Disney: takes Kyle Katarn from us
...Booooo
Disney: gives Cal Kestis
yaaaaaay
to be fair you got like more than 20 hours to be with cal rather than movies. but the nagain it's possible with good slow story telling not rushed.
Honestly, I don't care about the movies and shows under Disney after the sequels, Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor is really the only thing keeping me in the Star wars community now...
Also, I hope Cal meets Ahsoka or maybe Obi-Wan around the time Luke meets him, maybe a new Jedi Order hiding out on the edge of the Galaxy while Luke is doing his thing?
Isn't he boring?
In the first game, I found Cal to be very boring but in Jedi Survior, he's matured and is way more interesting now
I agree
Maybe it’s the darkness ?
If it involves Star Wars, keep Kathleen Kennedy away from it and it'll be fine
Cal>>>>>Ezra
Their both great characters.
Nah don't worry. Knowing Disney, he will become the first gay black transgender brunette Jedi with they/them pronouns in Star Wars history.
My only problems with cal kestis is that he belongs to the Disney star wars universe, and that Kathleen Kennedy social justice feminist activits story group love to write low testosterone weak, emasculated and humiliated male characters, they ruined luke, han, obi wan, vader, dooku, ect, if cal kestis were in the EU he would a badass powerful masculine character
Did you even play the Game? Cal was kicking Ass He was just faced with impossible Odds but He still pushed through and got up again and again and on top of that got the Woman of his dreams
If that isnt a strong Character than idk
How was Dooku ruined. He was badass in Tales of Jedi
Take your meds buddy
Worst kinda Star Wars fan sorry brother you need to listen to George Lucas’s Luke then and let go of your hate
@@amontgomerywhat meds, when people like Kathleen Kennedy and the people she hires go out in public and say shit like "the force is female"
It’s cuz he’s not a Jedi he’s a survivor there’s a difference in the way they live, fight, think, an npc even says this about cal in a convo something along the lines of “you look real gentle on the outside but I can see in your eyes you’re a predator” something like that. A survivor is fundamentally different it’s like Rick from Twd who ate a man’s neck to survive a fight cal will use his surroundings and do anything he can to survive and protect those he loves.
The answer to the question is simple and easy. We're surrounded by feminist propaganda right now and the games were a curve ball. They featured so many men in a "neutral way" and a lot of men in "heroic ways" too.
In the first game, Prauf dies saving Cal almost immediately. In the second game, yes a woman dies, but Bravo and the twins also immediately die, by Cals side.
Cere Junda didn't play the feminist cards, Merrin didn't play the feminist cards. Cere Junda was just a "jedi survivor" who found a new padawan and didn't abandon him to die. Merrin "came around" to Cals side. She played a very natural "self defensive" and "protective" role on her planet in the first game and gave off a lot of what I would call "accurate vibes". And she naturally came around to understand Cal, and then decided she didn't need to stay on Dathomir and suffer with all of her dead family.
In both games, even if the "protagonist characters" had real visible flaws, they weren't portrayed like barbarians or inherently evil.
Yeah I'm not a big fan of Jedi during Yoda's era of leadership at all as a whole but I really do like Cal Kestis due to how he's been put together & mapped out as a person in that StarWarsCanon Universe 🔥.