Look at all the weapons you’ve ever spent weeks grinding for. Look at the perks you got and then look up the perks you wanted to get on Light GG. Notice the pattern. Weighting has always been here since forsaken
Nah bro that's not real, you just have bad luck. I have a friend that constantly gets the perks he wants in a few drops where I would need at least hundreds of drops to get what I want, I don't even own the 180 HC from last episode, it didn't drop for me in the entire episode
i was thinking about the cascade point rotations back when Wendigo returned, i farmed for an auto loading/cascade for so long to pair with cloudstrike and never used it lmao
I think your dps numbers are off, unless I’m mistaken. When you test RoF you have an 8 round mag on the 150 but a 7 round mag on the 120. That’s gonna make the 120 look like it can fire off mags faster than it really can in a direct comparison, which gets reflected in the final numbers looking closer than (i think) they should.
I think the increase is sooo small it’s just going to be easier to use cloudstrike/reserves/ BitterSweet with cascade Bait N Switch especially if you’re rocking rain of fire for boss DPS
Cascade Point is for those bosses that you need to DISH out the damage super quick. Like the Servitor in Warlord's Ruin. Envious Arsenal is for those longer phases where you can set up a full rotation (like Puppeteer).
If you're wanting a surrounded 150gl, Koraxis's distress is really fantastic. While it doesn't have Envious Arsenal, it DOES have Envious Assassin. Take a re-review of it, Ehroar! I have a 5/5 adept roll with it
@@r3mxd Surrounded is ok to good for bosses like nezarec, daughters, oryx, or Ir yut, while its bad for bosses like witness, herald, explicator, warpriest, rhulk. I'd say its about 50/50, and for most applicable scenarios, need you to avoid killing adds before dps. Much more applicable for stuff like solo dungeons, I'll give you that.
@@r3mxd frenzy is very weak compared to other damage perks. 15% buff vs double that with bns is a massive differernce. Also there's only very specific circumstances u can take advantage of surrounded during dps.
I happened to be one of the chosen by Bungie’s rng grid pattern, got envious and bait. However, getting a good masterwork and launch with spike nades did not come in that package. Until Bungie figures out how to give us more fair random rolls, I will stare at my GL and be glad that they fixed ball duping so quickly, then promptly called us crazy for questioning drop rates.
What’s your thoughts on a form of RNG protection in which after a certain number of completions, or the performance of some task (encounter completion on master, completion of triumph, etc.) the guns start dropping with multiple perks in column 3 and 4? Feels like a good method of RNG protection that rewards you for continually playing the same dungeon multiple times.
@@warlockholmes we can have different forms? Something like this already exists for raids, except it’s only applied to adepts after you collect all patterns of each weapon.
facet of command on prismatic is a super easy way to get free reloads, and it only has a 4 second cooldown. ive shot off almost my entire reserves at max fire rate without reloading between that fragment and marksman dodge
Ba Sing Se...er, I mean Bungie came out immediately after you posted this to confirm that while there is no intentional perk weighting, there IS a bug in their code causing weighting to happen unintentionally. And looking at the data, it's been happening since Forsaken. 😅
@@GryphinHusky Yeah, because Bungie has never lied before. Even if they weren't lying. That's still inexcusable. Destiny is a looter-shooter, and the loot is "bugged".
As a mostly solo player Im kind of interested in the Festival of the Lost void Rapid Fire GL that can get the weaken perk in the 3rd with BnS in the 4th.
Something that used to be more considered is ammo on pickup (like how rockets become almost twice as efficient with a scavenger mod). If I'm not one phasing it's something I think about, but with the ammo gen options in the current sandbox idk.
I was wondering why I kept getting Cascade Point + Bait and Switch rolls to drop constantly, that does explain a lot. Hope this gets corrected as the weapon is awesome and has such versatile rolls!
Ironically, my first ever drop from the dungeon was this GL. And it was cascade point + bait and switch. Didnt get spike nades sadly, then after enhancing it i thought "this GL is trash, might as well dismantle it" glad i didn't because that night i seen a video in how good it was 😂
Stasis loader in the gloves, just reload and shoot a normal mag after cascade point. After that, mag dump and reload the supremacy. Then, reproc cascade and repeat. Hit 4.9 million on the corrupted puppeter in one phase with synthoceps, twilight aresenal, and consecration slams.
Good total damage. How about burst? Deconstruction is a thing on Edge Transit, and even if you don't get the damage from the perk, you still get the ammo.
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 In short windows? Sure, in a longer damage phase like Corrupted Puppeteer, Decon isn't great compared to other options. When the phase is 10 seconds? It could be the difference between finishing and wiping. Most DPS phases today are either health gated, only last a few seconds, or there's an external timer of some type like Enrage or wipe mechanic. It's not unreasonable to not just have different weapons for different encounters, but also different perks for those encounters.
I really want to know the numbers on this 150 RPM Cascade+B&S roll compared with a 120 RPM Cascade+Deconstruct roll. I still use my Edge Transit with Cascade+Decon and I just keep firing and keep getting shots. It's unbelievably satisfying.
if this is a thing specific to the random rolls code then this must've been around forever and somehow we only just noticed, i wonder how many times i got a god roll but it wasn't that cool because they were right next to each other, and vice versa. someone out there must have the envious arsenal + bns roll and is cheesing
While it's neat, I definitely don't think it's a must-have if you already have a good Edge Transit from Onslaught. A neat option until the next highest DPS GL comes out next year. On the subject of Crafting, I think Seasonal/Episodic weapons should always be craftable since the content gets removed. They're also a real bitch to farm in the Exotic Mission Rotator. If Bungie does want to phase out Crafting, then they're going to need to increase the amount of loot that drops and give good Focusing options. These Tonics suck to farm for and use. The World Weapons ones also seem to be bugged since I get weapons from the wrong slot when I do get a drop from them.
The only reason crafting is being brought up is because this season they took a break from it on seasonal weapons - which have the same issue as the dungeon ones.
This does not benefit the players as much as it hurt the players on average. That is a massive misconception. The increased odds goes from 1/36 to 1/24. For the first encounter of vesper's host where there are 6 possible drops the common roll would on average take 100 runs to reach the 50th percentile of players to get the common roll. For reference the average number of runs it would take if you want to reach the 50th percentile if it was 1/36 is 150 runs. Now lets take a look at the rare roll where it is on average 1 out of 454. In order to reach the 50% percentile for this roll it would take 1888 runs. This is why the overall system is not a wash. In the common drop you save yourself 50 runs, however on the rare drop you add on 1738 runs. The growth is exponential when referring to the number of added runs to reach the same percentile as you lower the drop chance.
I mean depending on how far away the god roll perks are from each other on every weapon it may really help. so it will be overall worse odds for getting every combination, but better for getting specific combinations.
@@sunshot_addict But Bungie didn't purposely place the perks that people desired next to each other. So it's just as likely that the desired roll is a common perk combination as it is the rare perk combination. The common perk combination does not save nearly as much time as the uncommon perk combination wastes. That's why this bug isn't a wash as far as wasting people's time.
Hey Ehroar, one point I wanted to make in response to this perk combination weighting conversation. You said something to the likes of “perk weighting making random rolls not truly random” (around 12:15). What I believe you’re misconstruing is the idea that something being uniformly distributed (i.e. every outcome having equal likelihood like rolling a 1 or 6 on a single dice roll) with non-uniform distributions (i.e. the likelihood the sum of two dice rolls being equal to 2 [1,1] versus them being equal to 6 [1,5 ; 2,4 ; 3,3 ; 4,2 ; 5,1]. This system is still a “random roll system” it’s just the case that not all combos are equally likely.
Farmed the boss all morning today. Got 12 pieces of armor in a row back to back and only 3 weapons. Only 1 of them was chill inhibitor and it was a trash roll. This is bullshit dude. FIFTEEN clears and only ONE drop? Why tf does it drop so much armor!? It needs to drop a weapon guaranteed each time ffs.
That explains the recent 15-20 onslaught runs just to try to and get a kinetic/frenzy on blast furnace.. Full runs too 🥲 Also demo/chill clip goes hard
I think the crafting thing comes from a place of not wanting to farm,personally I don't think weighting should be a thing,but the answer isn't double downing on a system to remove randomness entirely.
Like the other guy said, you still have to farm for weapons, but people like having a light at the end of the tunnel. Because with randomness that isn't the case at all. And the majority of the community would prefer build crafting and using a weapon rather than spending all of their time chasing after a weapon
@@ThePackman627 spot on. These “hardcore” players are the minority and a lot of us just don’t have the time to play 3+ hours a day to a nice weapons roll. Farming 4 hours a week then crafting after a while for what I want is QOL and makes it feel much more rewarding. Plus if you don’t like it simply don’t craft. Win win for everyone
@@AzrealJ that was the original vision of crafting but then they added enhanced perks which trivialized all non red border drops. It was supposed to be that if you don't get the god roll along the way, you can just craft it so your time is still respected. It wasn't supposed to be delete everything but red borders because it can't get enhanced perks, it was supposed to be a sort of bad luck protection. They could maybe have crafting and enhancing so if ur luck is complete shit u can still craft. But depending on how long rng has been completely fucked, crafting may not have been entirely necessary in the first place.
the proximity perks actually seem true because as i go into d2 gunsmith like most of the guns i had trouble getting have the ideal perk combination so far apart lol
@@Based_Shogun the perks you can get on the gun are in order on d2 gunsmith so i checked to see how far apart some of the ideal perk combos on the guns were and they were pretty far appart
The amount of cope I have seen from people complaining about farming weapons is insane. Imagine if the GL dropped from final boss, no one would be out here like "Erm, I think dungeon drops should have 4 perks in each column" like, the fact that people who probably have no business in endgame content can so easily farm endgame gear are spouting nonsense is crazy. 11 times out of 10, having ANY perk on ANY GL will suffice for these Patrol and Strike Playlist players who are whining the loudest. The actual problem isn't crafting or even the drop rates, it's the reward to effort ratio. If the seasonal GL was craftable and if a 2 minute farm wasn't the best way to get the GL, No one would have had a problem, or even noticed this issue, given it's been around for close to 6 months. But the perfect storm of the small minority of hardcore players pushing for crafting to be removed, mixed with the ease of dungeon farming has brought this issue to light. An issue mind you, that any adult who has even the smallest amount of knowledge when it comes to computers generating 'randomness' would understand how something like this could happen. Granted, we could say Bungie should have caught it, sure, but I much rather want the game to work in the important places rather than them spending time fixing a problem that has a neglible effect on 99.59% of the content in the game. The difference between reloading the gun or doing a swap rotation, is so small even for the best of players, for the average person? Who can't aim and has trouble moving the sticks and pressing the trigger at the same time? It has no effect. All in all, the community sucks and should continue fighting each other so Bungie can make the game without people banding together to fight them
Honestly, if we could craft these weapons, we wouldn’t be having this conversation and it will be less on the coding and more players can actually play other activities and learn how to do them
Why didn't you talk about envious assassin at all and compare it to chill because you can shoot off like 18 to 24 shots without reloading on edge transit
Got my 5/5 cass/bait. Dont really care to heavily farm for the other roll anymore. I did want a explosive light roll but the new version of Acomic gets Withering gaze and Explosive!
@@OMJNRG that's what I want! Shooting a champ with Velocity Baton then hitting it with Withering+Exploive light and getting all the orbs back. Super easy to now have weaken, radiant and explosive light up 100% I'm also assuming having a shoot to loot+ genetic tremors will work on bosses to keep explosive light up from a distance
I don't know when but i got it on first week hard lunch spikes and even augment for the 8 shots swap Cascade bait And u know what i haven't used it why u ask Theres nothing that doesn't bore me on this game I got and didn't even care for the roll
No. Definitely hasn't gone both ways. Ive been complaining how its harder to get a lot of weapons than Borderlands and borderlands has a lot of ways to focus farm drops. This has been the case for a long time. Crafting's entire purpose was to make sure we could get God Rolls in case of bad RNG and in over 100+ weapons Ive only gotten the god roll twice before unlocking the pattern. If it benefitted us more than it hurt us crafting would have never gotten so much hate from the big time streamers. Ive been defending this point since before WQ and people are only finding out now just how much of a headache crafting has saved us.
I was gone from the game for a while and came back a few weeks ago, when I completed the dungeon it unlocked the godroll on banshee. So I have the roll you said you couldnt get. When did bungie become that generous?
Feel like envious arsenal is better than cascade just cause off ease off use and it goes better with bait and switch and also cascade just doesn't last long
Unfortunately I only been able to get cascade + BnS with mini frags... And a blast radius mw... I'll farm for the envious roll once the RNG thing gets fixed.
@@Cute-catgirl Oh nice. I usually main strand titan and use grapple to reload. Just sucks getting a blast radius masterwork. At least I assume that still is a bad thing.
This is definitely intentional or it's at least known that the RNG system they were using has a predictable pattern for drops. Wild incompetence or malicious intent either way it's a terrible look. The fact that they came out and denied it either means they just denied it without looking which is wrong or the players are smarter than the devs again wrong
Right? I got it too, early on, which is why I believe the whole "perk weight" controversy is actually just a case of the worst RNG in the whole universe
@@lemonyship96The problem is, to my knowledge, that it is user submitted data. If that is correct, do you think the two people in this post or any of the many who got it on their first handful of drops would be submitting the data to help take the statistics down? Or do you think that the only people that are submitting data are people farming an unhealthy amount of time and are bitter and trying to figure out Bungie has slightest them? I’m assuming that some degree of it is true because it’s Bungie… but it doesn’t change the fact that almost all “data” in the current day is highly inaccurate for a multitude of reasons… most of it being selection bias.
I don't know if it still works but there was a way to change some settings on your router using powershell. Its an old video but I know cheese forever has a guide for that.
@@sunshot_addict no This has been a thing for years and I've never heard anybody getting banned for it You're changing firewall settings to prevent people from matchmaking with you.
This is intentional and, for sure, has to deal with crafting for most of the community. This has always been the problem for many of us that crafting fixes, but no, we have to have elitist cry babies that require certain weapons with specific roles to be able to run activities with them. Why can't we choose what perks we get on the weapon that drops for us? I don't want to grind the same activity over and over and over again, I want to have fun with the weapon. The best weapons are potent because a small number of people have the god rolls. The same reason why crafted weapons are way worse than non-crafted weapons. A lot more people have them......
I got this roll ..yall want rng but dont want to much of it...😂 What yall maoning ..not enjoying the chase ..the thrill ? 😂.. i hope the take forever to fix this issue and when it goes live i hope rng is so bad yall wondering if they did anything 😂😂😂..back to work
No excuses. Bungo needs more people to play. It was intentional. Think about how many game breaking glitches that benefit the players get fixed damn near right away. On the other hand, glitches that hurt us will be addressed when they feel like it.
Right... because OOBs always get fixed really quickly and you can farm 1e encounter of vespers host on master for free even solo using (multiple) OOBs... lmao you are delusional
So that's why I've been getting all my Forbearance GLs with Steady Hand and Chain Reaction combo while farming Onslaught.... I've been going absolute fucking ballistic at my RNG after getting the 6th one like that (especially because I want Ambitious assasin/Chain Reaction combo), but I guess that's how it was designed by Bungie. Thanks for telling us you greedy bastards
rapids need to be nerfed, there is no reason an archetype should be doing both signifcantly higher dps AND having more total damage, that is complete power creep, making entire weapons obsolete in one patch is crazy, they should be the best GL for dps, but not for total damage
It will be nerfed, Im not even saying that because I dont like fun, but that is literally what unbalanced means, they need to either buff other GL or nerf this one
there's no way things stay like this for long, gls with bns were already really good, then envious assassin got paired with it and now envious arsenal which is even better? we're reaching the absolute ceiling of weapon strength before things get really out of hand so i'm sure they're gonna readjust things
It’s easy to think it’ll be adjusted soon. No matter what Bungie says, they don’t really test things a whole lot. Just literally replicating what these people who damage test all the time would find the imbalance and adjusted it before release.
can you read? the dps difference is a couple thousand. That's not significant. The only reasonable thing they can do is slightly reduce the reserves of 150s so 120s have more total damage. But even then the difference is only like 200k. Also 150s have been out performing 120s for a long time before this it's just no 150 has had insane rolls like this one. So they did not make 120s "obsolete in one patch"
We don't even need this video since you can't get all the rolls for the weapon I think you should let that issue be repaired before posting a review of the weapon
dungeon chests should guarantee one weapon and one armor per encounter would probably eliminate a reasonable part of the grind
That would make things so much better
On master only, to make it reasonable
That or just give the weapons double perk columns for the 3/4 column
Grinding that shit for double armor is getting exhausting. 🤮
@@LeadCodpiece Nah, normal mode is fine. Maybe be able to focus weapons/rolls on Master to guarantee, while normal is just RNG?
Look at all the weapons you’ve ever spent weeks grinding for. Look at the perks you got and then look up the perks you wanted to get on Light GG. Notice the pattern. Weighting has always been here since forsaken
Actually a lot of top-tier weapons over the years have had their meta perk combos less than delta 3 perk spots away from each other
doesn’t help that bungie will deliberately put bad perks to make it harder
@@TheRagingSpartan_03it works like that in all the looter based games tho you need bad perks so good perks feels like an accomplishment
Nah bro that's not real, you just have bad luck.
I have a friend that constantly gets the perks he wants in a few drops where I would need at least hundreds of drops to get what I want, I don't even own the 180 HC from last episode, it didn't drop for me in the entire episode
IDC
i was thinking about the cascade point rotations back when Wendigo returned, i farmed for an auto loading/cascade for so long to pair with cloudstrike and never used it lmao
I think your dps numbers are off, unless I’m mistaken. When you test RoF you have an 8 round mag on the 150 but a 7 round mag on the 120. That’s gonna make the 120 look like it can fire off mags faster than it really can in a direct comparison, which gets reflected in the final numbers looking closer than (i think) they should.
usually he does it where the mags are the same so idk but it also will have less damage each mag because it's smaller so maybe it evens out
That's because backup mags only gives 120's one extra round whereas 150's receive two rounds.
I think the increase is sooo small it’s just going to be easier to use cloudstrike/reserves/ BitterSweet with cascade Bait N Switch especially if you’re rocking rain of fire for boss DPS
especially since you can match surges
I feel so lucky that the very first run of this dungeon, very first encounter, I got the Cascade point god roll
Cascade Point is for those bosses that you need to DISH out the damage super quick. Like the Servitor in Warlord's Ruin.
Envious Arsenal is for those longer phases where you can set up a full rotation (like Puppeteer).
The servitor?? Do you mean the final boss? Cuz that is a chimera
@@atsukana1704 It's a Taken Servitor with a new name lmao.
@@JLM-y5gnot a servitor. Servitors are machines that allow the fallen to live. Servitors also don’t have a taken counterpart.
@@adamboy0559 Yes they do...? In what universe do you look at the meatball and go "yeah, that' not a servitor."
Use your brain man.
@@JLM-y5g there not. Both times we’ve seen it there named after an ahamkara which is a living thing.
Use your brain maybe.
Meanwhile Banshee: nothing is impossible for me
If you're wanting a surrounded 150gl, Koraxis's distress is really fantastic. While it doesn't have Envious Arsenal, it DOES have Envious Assassin. Take a re-review of it, Ehroar! I have a 5/5 adept roll with it
Biggest issue is lack of good damage perks. Surrounded is niche, while frenzy is weak. Missing stuff like explosive light or bait n switch.
@@sauceinmyface9302 ????? surrounded is far from niche. frenzy weak? nah. the rapid fire makes up for it.
@@r3mxd Surrounded is ok to good for bosses like nezarec, daughters, oryx, or Ir yut, while its bad for bosses like witness, herald, explicator, warpriest, rhulk. I'd say its about 50/50, and for most applicable scenarios, need you to avoid killing adds before dps. Much more applicable for stuff like solo dungeons, I'll give you that.
@@sauceinmyface9302 And honestly, farming both is a timesink I (and many others) have no interest in. Might as well farm the better one of the two.
@@r3mxd frenzy is very weak compared to other damage perks. 15% buff vs double that with bns is a massive differernce. Also there's only very specific circumstances u can take advantage of surrounded during dps.
I happened to be one of the chosen by Bungie’s rng grid pattern, got envious and bait. However, getting a good masterwork and launch with spike nades did not come in that package. Until Bungie figures out how to give us more fair random rolls, I will stare at my GL and be glad that they fixed ball duping so quickly, then promptly called us crazy for questioning drop rates.
What’s your thoughts on a form of RNG protection in which after a certain number of completions, or the performance of some task (encounter completion on master, completion of triumph, etc.) the guns start dropping with multiple perks in column 3 and 4? Feels like a good method of RNG protection that rewards you for continually playing the same dungeon multiple times.
Well, crafting kind of is the... Rng protection😓
@@warlockholmes we can have different forms? Something like this already exists for raids, except it’s only applied to adepts after you collect all patterns of each weapon.
@@warlockholmes but they have already said they don't like crafting (and it looks like they will make less and less weapons craftable)
facet of command on prismatic is a super easy way to get free reloads, and it only has a 4 second cooldown. ive shot off almost my entire reserves at max fire rate without reloading between that fragment and marksman dodge
is it a grenade kill? I forgot?
@@n4riko nope, just freezing or suppressing an enemy!
your no nonsense video's are so refreshing. keep up the good work
There are no weighted perks in Ba Sing Se 😁
What is ba sing se?
😂
@@Masonc1001avatar reference
Ba Sing Se...er, I mean Bungie came out immediately after you posted this to confirm that while there is no intentional perk weighting, there IS a bug in their code causing weighting to happen unintentionally. And looking at the data, it's been happening since Forsaken. 😅
@@GryphinHusky Yeah, because Bungie has never lied before.
Even if they weren't lying. That's still inexcusable. Destiny is a looter-shooter, and the loot is "bugged".
I got mini frags, casscade point, bait and switch. Mini frags gives additional ammo. I wonder if mini frags is equivalent to spike grenades
As a mostly solo player Im kind of interested in the Festival of the Lost void Rapid Fire GL that can get the weaken perk in the 3rd with BnS in the 4th.
Something that used to be more considered is ammo on pickup (like how rockets become almost twice as efficient with a scavenger mod). If I'm not one phasing it's something I think about, but with the ammo gen options in the current sandbox idk.
I have Envious Arsenal/ Bait and switch/and of course not spike nades..Augmented drum / quick launch..Loving the Cascade point / Bait n Switch...
Nice vid, i know its off topic but what is the pulse rifle you are using?
I'd like to know too
Is it sacred providence from the garden raid?
Serious question though, who uses one reserve mod in high difficulty content, much less all three?
I was wondering why I kept getting Cascade Point + Bait and Switch rolls to drop constantly, that does explain a lot. Hope this gets corrected as the weapon is awesome and has such versatile rolls!
Bro wtf I haven’t even gotten a single one and I’ve farmed the encounter 40 times in total.
Ironically, my first ever drop from the dungeon was this GL. And it was cascade point + bait and switch. Didnt get spike nades sadly, then after enhancing it i thought "this GL is trash, might as well dismantle it" glad i didn't because that night i seen a video in how good it was 😂
Stasis loader in the gloves, just reload and shoot a normal mag after cascade point. After that, mag dump and reload the supremacy. Then, reproc cascade and repeat. Hit 4.9 million on the corrupted puppeter in one phase with synthoceps, twilight aresenal, and consecration slams.
Supremacy has KT WeWind Wounds.
Good total damage. How about burst? Deconstruction is a thing on Edge Transit, and even if you don't get the damage from the perk, you still get the ammo.
Who uses that ..be real
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 In short windows? Sure, in a longer damage phase like Corrupted Puppeteer, Decon isn't great compared to other options. When the phase is 10 seconds? It could be the difference between finishing and wiping. Most DPS phases today are either health gated, only last a few seconds, or there's an external timer of some type like Enrage or wipe mechanic. It's not unreasonable to not just have different weapons for different encounters, but also different perks for those encounters.
I really want to know the numbers on this 150 RPM Cascade+B&S roll compared with a 120 RPM Cascade+Deconstruct roll.
I still use my Edge Transit with Cascade+Decon and I just keep firing and keep getting shots. It's unbelievably satisfying.
@ehroar he same perks drop on Bitter/sweet from Onslaught wouldn't the damage be comparable?
if this is a thing specific to the random rolls code then this must've been around forever and somehow we only just noticed, i wonder how many times i got a god roll but it wasn't that cool because they were right next to each other, and vice versa. someone out there must have the envious arsenal + bns roll and is cheesing
I got envious arsenal with explosive light...I'll.hold on to it since I'll never get bait and switch on it.
While it's neat, I definitely don't think it's a must-have if you already have a good Edge Transit from Onslaught. A neat option until the next highest DPS GL comes out next year.
On the subject of Crafting, I think Seasonal/Episodic weapons should always be craftable since the content gets removed. They're also a real bitch to farm in the Exotic Mission Rotator. If Bungie does want to phase out Crafting, then they're going to need to increase the amount of loot that drops and give good Focusing options. These Tonics suck to farm for and use. The World Weapons ones also seem to be bugged since I get weapons from the wrong slot when I do get a drop from them.
I literally got cascade / bait and switch and spike grenades on my 2nd dungeon run from first encounter.
Okay? That's not the God roll lol
@@rayaustin141😮
@@rayaustin141yeah it is you’re obviously trolling
I’m happy with my Demo + BS roll with spikes since the best roll is borderline impossible
Have they got New Rolls now
The only reason crafting is being brought up is because this season they took a break from it on seasonal weapons - which have the same issue as the dungeon ones.
I got the envious bait and switch but no spike nades. Is it still better then god roll edge transit?
Yes
This does not benefit the players as much as it hurt the players on average. That is a massive misconception. The increased odds goes from 1/36 to 1/24. For the first encounter of vesper's host where there are 6 possible drops the common roll would on average take 100 runs to reach the 50th percentile of players to get the common roll. For reference the average number of runs it would take if you want to reach the 50th percentile if it was 1/36 is 150 runs. Now lets take a look at the rare roll where it is on average 1 out of 454. In order to reach the 50% percentile for this roll it would take 1888 runs. This is why the overall system is not a wash. In the common drop you save yourself 50 runs, however on the rare drop you add on 1738 runs. The growth is exponential when referring to the number of added runs to reach the same percentile as you lower the drop chance.
I mean depending on how far away the god roll perks are from each other on every weapon it may really help. so it will be overall worse odds for getting every combination, but better for getting specific combinations.
@@sunshot_addict But Bungie didn't purposely place the perks that people desired next to each other. So it's just as likely that the desired roll is a common perk combination as it is the rare perk combination. The common perk combination does not save nearly as much time as the uncommon perk combination wastes. That's why this bug isn't a wash as far as wasting people's time.
Used up all my good luck I guess.
Got spike nades, envious, BnS
I got cascade and bait n switch like my 5 th fist encounter farm prolly the last bit of RNG ON my side for a while
Hey Ehroar, one point I wanted to make in response to this perk combination weighting conversation. You said something to the likes of “perk weighting making random rolls not truly random” (around 12:15). What I believe you’re misconstruing is the idea that something being uniformly distributed (i.e. every outcome having equal likelihood like rolling a 1 or 6 on a single dice roll) with non-uniform distributions (i.e. the likelihood the sum of two dice rolls being equal to 2 [1,1] versus them being equal to 6 [1,5 ; 2,4 ; 3,3 ; 4,2 ; 5,1]. This system is still a “random roll system” it’s just the case that not all combos are equally likely.
What is that solar sniper?
I literally got the God roll gl, wave gl and icebreaker in the same run
Farmed the boss all morning today. Got 12 pieces of armor in a row back to back and only 3 weapons. Only 1 of them was chill inhibitor and it was a trash roll. This is bullshit dude. FIFTEEN clears and only ONE drop? Why tf does it drop so much armor!? It needs to drop a weapon guaranteed each time ffs.
im not messing i got the 5/5 vs chill from my day 1 clear but ppl toldme it wasnt good cuz ir didmt have ennvious
spike grenade or mag perk on120s?
My friend has only gotten god rolls of this gun (no farming) almost every drop he got was this gl. He litteraly has an envious bait
I got mini frags, cascade, and bns and it’s awesome
That explains the recent 15-20 onslaught runs just to try to and get a kinetic/frenzy on blast furnace.. Full runs too 🥲
Also demo/chill clip goes hard
I think the crafting thing comes from a place of not wanting to farm,personally I don't think weighting should be a thing,but the answer isn't double downing on a system to remove randomness entirely.
You still have to farm for crafted weapons?
Like the other guy said, you still have to farm for weapons, but people like having a light at the end of the tunnel. Because with randomness that isn't the case at all. And the majority of the community would prefer build crafting and using a weapon rather than spending all of their time chasing after a weapon
@@ThePackman627 spot on. These “hardcore” players are the minority and a lot of us just don’t have the time to play 3+ hours a day to a nice weapons roll. Farming 4 hours a week then crafting after a while for what I want is QOL and makes it feel much more rewarding. Plus if you don’t like it simply don’t craft. Win win for everyone
@@AzrealJ that was the original vision of crafting but then they added enhanced perks which trivialized all non red border drops. It was supposed to be that if you don't get the god roll along the way, you can just craft it so your time is still respected. It wasn't supposed to be delete everything but red borders because it can't get enhanced perks, it was supposed to be a sort of bad luck protection. They could maybe have crafting and enhancing so if ur luck is complete shit u can still craft. But depending on how long rng has been completely fucked, crafting may not have been entirely necessary in the first place.
@@sunshot_addict that’s absolutely hilarious that you deleted things that can’t get enhanced. Real nimrod logic wtf
I got it to drop with a velocity masterwork
Got my roll and enjoy it for stasis synergy, but still prefer my shiny Edge w/ Env/Cascade & BnS 👍
the proximity perks actually seem true because as i go into d2 gunsmith like most of the guns i had trouble getting have the ideal perk combination so far apart lol
I thought that D2G only tracks rolls in our inventories, not dismantled ones.
@@Based_Shogun the perks you can get on the gun are in order on d2 gunsmith so i checked to see how far apart some of the ideal perk combos on the guns were and they were pretty far appart
The amount of cope I have seen from people complaining about farming weapons is insane. Imagine if the GL dropped from final boss, no one would be out here like "Erm, I think dungeon drops should have 4 perks in each column" like, the fact that people who probably have no business in endgame content can so easily farm endgame gear are spouting nonsense is crazy. 11 times out of 10, having ANY perk on ANY GL will suffice for these Patrol and Strike Playlist players who are whining the loudest.
The actual problem isn't crafting or even the drop rates, it's the reward to effort ratio. If the seasonal GL was craftable and if a 2 minute farm wasn't the best way to get the GL, No one would have had a problem, or even noticed this issue, given it's been around for close to 6 months. But the perfect storm of the small minority of hardcore players pushing for crafting to be removed, mixed with the ease of dungeon farming has brought this issue to light. An issue mind you, that any adult who has even the smallest amount of knowledge when it comes to computers generating 'randomness' would understand how something like this could happen. Granted, we could say Bungie should have caught it, sure, but I much rather want the game to work in the important places rather than them spending time fixing a problem that has a neglible effect on 99.59% of the content in the game. The difference between reloading the gun or doing a swap rotation, is so small even for the best of players, for the average person? Who can't aim and has trouble moving the sticks and pressing the trigger at the same time? It has no effect.
All in all, the community sucks and should continue fighting each other so Bungie can make the game without people banding together to fight them
This 🫡
Honestly, if we could craft these weapons, we wouldn’t be having this conversation and it will be less on the coding and more players can actually play other activities and learn how to do them
I love the people saying “you asked for non craftable weapons” as if it isn’t literally one in a thousand runs to get
Its more like once in 90 thousand lol
ok that shadder on that is sick
enhanced envious arsenal gives reserves like you have 1 mod on as well so its even better
Why didn't you talk about envious assassin at all and compare it to chill because you can shoot off like 18 to 24 shots without reloading on edge transit
Doesn’t the new gl from the episode roll envious/ bns?
yes but it has slightly less dps and total damage but honestly it's better for dps rotations because u can match surges with cloudstrike imo
@ it’s what I thought too
i thought this was the weighted roll 👀ive gotten like 3
Got my 5/5 cass/bait. Dont really care to heavily farm for the other roll anymore. I did want a explosive light roll but the new version of Acomic gets Withering gaze and Explosive!
I got explosive light with attrition orbs. Pair it with the void gl with also attrition orbs, all 8 shots get that 60% damage buff
@@OMJNRG that's what I want! Shooting a champ with Velocity Baton then hitting it with Withering+Exploive light and getting all the orbs back. Super easy to now have weaken, radiant and explosive light up 100% I'm also assuming having a shoot to loot+ genetic tremors will work on bosses to keep explosive light up from a distance
I don't know when but i got it on first week hard lunch spikes and even augment
for the 8 shots swap
Cascade bait
And u know what i haven't used it why u ask
Theres nothing that doesn't bore me on this game
I got and didn't even care for the roll
whats up guys, today we'llbefinaegoiovr the new Chill Inhibitor 😂i love you man
No. Definitely hasn't gone both ways. Ive been complaining how its harder to get a lot of weapons than Borderlands and borderlands has a lot of ways to focus farm drops. This has been the case for a long time. Crafting's entire purpose was to make sure we could get God Rolls in case of bad RNG and in over 100+ weapons Ive only gotten the god roll twice before unlocking the pattern. If it benefitted us more than it hurt us crafting would have never gotten so much hate from the big time streamers. Ive been defending this point since before WQ and people are only finding out now just how much of a headache crafting has saved us.
Wasn't crafting supposed to fix this problem....
Cold comfort was acquired the exact same way
Except the godroll for it is in the same row so if the conspiracy is true its 100 times more likely to drop
I was gone from the game for a while and came back a few weeks ago, when I completed the dungeon it unlocked the godroll on banshee. So I have the roll you said you couldnt get. When did bungie become that generous?
My first roll was Cascade bait
Give us a good solar GL ffs
I deleted cascade with bait and switch, felt like dookie
This aged like soy milk
People will complain about anything that makes their life harder even if it's just playing a game 😂
Guess bungie removed envious assassin / bait and switch edge transit for the click bait. Smh
Haven't played destiny since phase 2 of the final shape release. Now if I want to play GMs I have to grind a ton and rely on RNG for good weapons 😴
always been that way
Feel like envious arsenal is better than cascade just cause off ease off use and it goes better with bait and switch and also cascade just doesn't last long
Unfortunately I only been able to get cascade + BnS with mini frags... And a blast radius mw... I'll farm for the envious roll once the RNG thing gets fixed.
spikes are almost entirely pointless on heavies after the nerf. the extra reload on mini frags is probably better if you don’t have a reload perk tbh
@@Cute-catgirl Oh nice. I usually main strand titan and use grapple to reload. Just sucks getting a blast radius masterwork. At least I assume that still is a bad thing.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 only bad if u have spike grenades
Nope. im in team crafting weapons exactly why i hated rng u might never get the roll u want
im not really going to bother with this gl since acosmic has a neat roll on it (impulse and BnS)
impulse in pve is downright vile
@@bakingjaken3728 wdym
@@thegamingRambo98 it's useless
@@sunshot_addict its better than enlightened action for reload and it makes it easier to hit the gl shots at range wdym
This is definitely intentional or it's at least known that the RNG system they were using has a predictable pattern for drops. Wild incompetence or malicious intent either way it's a terrible look. The fact that they came out and denied it either means they just denied it without looking which is wrong or the players are smarter than the devs again wrong
you take cascsade and EL. then you use it in gms. stun the champ activate cascade then go brrr
Can't solo the dungeon so I don't care about weapons that are not accessible to solo players
Got Envious Arsenal with Bait and Switch first completion lmaoooo
Glad I got this on my 2nd roll the 1st day the dungeon dropped :p
Right? I got it too, early on, which is why I believe the whole "perk weight" controversy is actually just a case of the worst RNG in the whole universe
@DarkPyroZero it's not fake, but it's not intentional. Go watch dattos video on it, it's weird as hell but makes sense
@@DarkPyroZero it is real but not on purpose
@@lemonyship96The problem is, to my knowledge, that it is user submitted data.
If that is correct, do you think the two people in this post or any of the many who got it on their first handful of drops would be submitting the data to help take the statistics down?
Or do you think that the only people that are submitting data are people farming an unhealthy amount of time and are bitter and trying to figure out Bungie has slightest them?
I’m assuming that some degree of it is true because it’s Bungie… but it doesn’t change the fact that almost all “data” in the current day is highly inaccurate for a multitude of reasons… most of it being selection bias.
@amorfati4927 it isn't user submitted data, it is data coming directly from the API. This means it's even including the rolls you and I have gotten.
That's why crafting was better :p
Not sure why you’re crying about crafting, are you not using a crafted weapon?
how do you get into strikes by yourself all the time?
Solo enabler
how does ehroar still get into solo strikes??
I don't know if it still works but there was a way to change some settings on your router using powershell.
Its an old video but I know cheese forever has a guide for that.
You set some firewall settings. On consoles, you can roll your clock backwards or forwards and you'll load into (almost) every activity solo.
@@modernprophet5942or just use solo enabler
@@modernprophet5942 can't that get you banned?
@@sunshot_addict no
This has been a thing for years and I've never heard anybody getting banned for it
You're changing firewall settings to prevent people from matchmaking with you.
Frick crafting!
Imagine believing Bungie knows how to code 🤣
they know how to code the fucking eververse store tho 🤣
Master should be enhanced
Both should be one and one
This is intentional and, for sure, has to deal with crafting for most of the community. This has always been the problem for many of us that crafting fixes, but no, we have to have elitist cry babies that require certain weapons with specific roles to be able to run activities with them. Why can't we choose what perks we get on the weapon that drops for us? I don't want to grind the same activity over and over and over again, I want to have fun with the weapon. The best weapons are potent because a small number of people have the god rolls. The same reason why crafted weapons are way worse than non-crafted weapons. A lot more people have them......
Tats the point of farming aint it
Nice vid
Like this if you have the 2/5
We all know the drop rates are messed with by bungie
They are bugged, but not intentionally
not messed with, it's been like this in the code for potentially years and no one noticed
@@dankerbelltrue
How do you miss a sniper shot on a frozen enemy
I got this roll ..yall want rng but dont want to much of it...😂
What yall maoning ..not enjoying the chase ..the thrill ? 😂.. i hope the take forever to fix this issue and when it goes live i hope rng is so bad yall wondering if they did anything 😂😂😂..back to work
No excuses. Bungo needs more people to play. It was intentional. Think about how many game breaking glitches that benefit the players get fixed damn near right away. On the other hand, glitches that hurt us will be addressed when they feel like it.
Right... because OOBs always get fixed really quickly and you can farm 1e encounter of vespers host on master for free even solo using (multiple) OOBs... lmao you are delusional
So that's why I've been getting all my Forbearance GLs with Steady Hand and Chain Reaction combo while farming Onslaught.... I've been going absolute fucking ballistic at my RNG after getting the 6th one like that (especially because I want Ambitious assasin/Chain Reaction combo), but I guess that's how it was designed by Bungie. Thanks for telling us you greedy bastards
rapids need to be nerfed, there is no reason an archetype should be doing both signifcantly higher dps AND having more total damage, that is complete power creep, making entire weapons obsolete in one patch is crazy, they should be the best GL for dps, but not for total damage
It will be nerfed, Im not even saying that because I dont like fun, but that is literally what unbalanced means, they need to either buff other GL or nerf this one
there's no way things stay like this for long, gls with bns were already really good, then envious assassin got paired with it and now envious arsenal which is even better? we're reaching the absolute ceiling of weapon strength before things get really out of hand so i'm sure they're gonna readjust things
shut up
It’s easy to think it’ll be adjusted soon. No matter what Bungie says, they don’t really test things a whole lot.
Just literally replicating what these people who damage test all the time would find the imbalance and adjusted it before release.
can you read? the dps difference is a couple thousand. That's not significant. The only reasonable thing they can do is slightly reduce the reserves of 150s so 120s have more total damage. But even then the difference is only like 200k. Also 150s have been out performing 120s for a long time before this it's just no 150 has had insane rolls like this one. So they did not make 120s "obsolete in one patch"
Day 2 of demanding you get our beloved pookie Ember back into redeem 😤
We don't even need this video since you can't get all the rolls for the weapon I think you should let that issue be repaired before posting a review of the weapon
Don’t be petty
this issue could take months , who knows so . . nah
But you watched and commented, also you now have the info for when it is available and you still moan?
There really is no pleasing some people 😂
Rapid gls were already outperforming adaptives before chill inhibitor even came out 💀