for choir of one i believe the firerate actually increases if you tap fire it with the right rhythm, it's a little bit faster, maybe not enough to shift the balance of the rankings but a fun tidbit of information otherwise (applies to both projectile and hitscan modes)
Thanks for this video. I havent enjoyed any damage rotations since the double slug meta during DSC launch or the Izi + Precision Rocket during Vow. Those felt fun to use because it's mainly gunplay. Since then, the damage rotation metas have trended towards ability usage or fragments to take advantage of reload tech. I've just opted to use consistent, easy strats because learning a certain swap meta seems useless due to inevitable nerfs. For example, the sanguine swap, while it is easy to use, will probably get nerfed going into episode 3 due to the seemingly unintended nature of it. For now, an eternal warrior + star-eater tcrash with bitter-sweet seems like the easiest brain off pick with the current artifact mods.
Euphony & Wicked Combo is WILD 🎮🎮🥳🥳✌🏽✌🏽 Appreciate Appreciate the Testing as ALWAYS!! & I had no idea Bastion was such a decent Total Damage option, now I'm wondering which Builds I can use to Spam Melees on My Hunter for Decent Boss Damage 🤔🤔
For Euphony, I really like to pair it with a cascade gl because unlike Cloudstrike which requires a couple of shots to proc cascade point, Euphony only requires either just 1 full burst of crits or only 2 crits of the burst, but can't remember.
I wonder how Bungie will tackle elemental damage buffs in the artifact from next episode onwards, especially since Sanguine's rework made everyone a bit more aware of the double dipping effect on weapons inside your own well. It also doesn't help that Facet of Courage boosts weapon damage inside a well, alongside Prismatic Warlock having a fairly easy way to apply sever/unraveling and therefore proc this fragment. All people have to do each episode is switch the super of their prismatic swap to match the current trendy heavy weapon (as long as it does light aligned damage), and then just go all out in combining ability AND weapon damage buffs to boost their weapons.
If anything, the amount of time you put into these videos is concrete proof that we need a shooting range with different targets including a 10 million health raid boss tier target. Though im pretty sure we would already have one if bungie werent the way they are.
Hey Ive been thinking about asking this for a few days and finally remembered! Have you considered maintaining a DIM wishlist so this stuff is super accessible? I know I for one would trust your list more than anyone else's. Could be another way to get your name out there even more as well! Either way I truly appreciate what you do for the Destiny endgame community ❤
Hey Aegis what do you think the best warlock options are here if you factor out the artefact? Tomorrow’s ice breaker? Or something with chill inhibitor?
I’ve been using bastion on song of flame with a apotheosis syntho class item. While syntho won’t up your melee damage in super it does in transcendence and apotheosis with gaining more ignitions in song of flame with bastion. I wanna test its potency on normal solar with the option to swap speakers sight into apotheosis for damage phases. Potentially dawn chorus as well.
Check his spreadsheet, it's in the sustained tab. Basically, it sucks, worse than basically every other sword. Combined with pack hunter from ergo it's pretty close to a legendary caster with effectively no damage perk. And it's lower than heartshadow.
I've got one, and Euphony procs Cascade Point with a single burst. Shame Aegis couldn't fully test it so idk how it's DPS compares, but the non-surge matching Bitter/Sweet apparently only did a little better with Cascade, so it probably is the same story. Cascade at least FEELS quite good though with it. If nothing else, Cascade Point makes it fantastic at nuking minibosses/champs in Nightfalls and stuff.
Hey Aegis, amazing vid. One question, how do you arrive at these total numbers? Is it total possible dmg dumping all ammo? Cos I’ve never gotten anywhere near this much ( currently trying strats for speedrunning Warlords Ruin ) and dumping everything doesn’t get me anywhere close to this. Is there a different scaling on Templar or am I just shit? ( it’s the latter… I’m sure ) thnx!
I was thinking about a Cascade Deadlock but its archetype makes the farm probably not worth it, for a shorter rotation Foetracer is definitely better though since you don't need the third full reload
Hey Aegis question, I noticed the playlist of the rotations and haven't had time to check all of them, but is there another place to get a rundown of all these rotations or just sus it out from the playlist? Edit-woop shoulda watched to the very end first.
waiting for next season's refreshed vog adept hezen vengeance with envious arsenal in the left column and bipod BnS & surrounded in the 4th column, and a solar artefact. Hopefully rockets will be back as their rotations are more elegant imo than the GL ones we have had since into the light.
I hate the artifact mod and how i have to reset it for every build (forget and using viod buffs on an arc build. Womp womp). It would be fine to have the extra work if we could save it per build but doing it every time is just an annoyance.
At 25:25 you mention the Bipod Tomorrow's Answer having access to 18 rockets "on its Adept version" - am I missing something because I thought Adept didn't really make a difference seeing as we can enhance normal versions. What does Adept add to make it worth grinding for?
Adept trials weapons get 2 perks in the last column. You can get bipod+BnS as those 2 perks. You can rally on bipod and swap to BnS for extra free rockets (this is likely unintended, but it does currently still work).
I would love to run the liturgy/ex/bitter rotation but I can’t get the bitter role to drop. The role doesn’t exist for me. Thinking about giving up on it because it most likely gonna phase out of the meta next episode and the tonic system sucks.
Human beings (and aliens), how is this rotation using god roll Tinasha's Mastery (Air Trigger/Chill Clip) instead of Liturgy? i have a Tinasha's god roll and i was wondering if works well the same way or nay?
The weakening effect of grenade launchers, does it stack with the blinding buff obtained with arc weapons? I know Liturgy can run disorienting grenades and Ex Diris can blind on its own so I'm wondering if Bitter/Sweet with those two benefit from it. Is weakening 15% and blinding 8%? Ed: One thing you might have not considered: Empowering Rift on Warlocks STACK with Sanguine Alchemy and Well of Radiance, that's another 20% added to the mix xD
Blinding buff (Arc Compounding) is a stacking buff, so it will stack with everything. Weaken is a standard debuff so it stacks with everything else besides standard debuffs (basically just weaken, tractor, and tether are considered standard debuffs). Liturgy disorienting grenades don't actually blind (blind is a subclass verb while disorienting is a special other property). The blinding artifact mod is a 15% boost not 8%. Empowering rift does not stack with well of radiance. It is considered an empowering buff (radiant, well, empowering rifts, bubble, lumina, etc.) so the game just defaults to using whichever is the highest buff %. (Empowering used to stack with radiant way back in season of the haunted, but that was an unintended bug). Sanguine on the other hand is a 10% buff that stacks with everything. You can find somebody called Court who maintains a thorough spreadsheet/infographic of various stuff that do and don't stack together.
@@SpiderReviver Ohh, so using Empowering rift with Sanguine inside a Well does nothing? It only extends the duration of the rift by killing ads but you don't get the 20% extra damage, got it. So then the Liturgy we need only requires EA with Chill clip, Ex Diris and Bitter Sweet...put the well down, switch to Prismatic with Arc and that's it? That's neat. Thank you so much for all the explanation. Man, Alchemy will get nerfed at this rate...
@TheAegisRelic Legend! Could you tell me what I need for rotation 5? Meaning the shotgun names, their perks, what fragments and armour mods. Only the necessary ones ofcourse :) i don't want to make you send everything but like obviously the reload fragment is a must and maybe ready and stow mods are a must? Thank you in advance!! Love your videos and damage rotations
ALH + Cascade Until Its Return The Fourth Horseman Cascade + BnS VS Chill Inhibitor The Dragon's Shadow + Whisper of Impetus 3 Stasis surges, QoL mods otherwise
Is there a risk of this video being outdated when new artifact mods in act 3 release? Perhaps you could specify this is up to date as of act 2? Genuine questions I don't mean to backseat
Absolutely in love with the Liturgy/Ex Diris/Bitter Sweet rotation, so much fun
Halarious seeing lfg’s flip their shit.
What’s the god roll for liturgy👀
@@cfcbailey7583envious arsenal chill clip
@@cfcbailey7583for stasis builds for boss damage
@@cfcbailey7583envious chill clip
Nice to see Thunderlord is still the best
Peak
John LFG is absorbing this power
lazykb sighting
John LFG cooks
Good god he is doing the research, learning the methods
I will look at all of these and continue to pick the option of microcosm beaming
Thunderlord 2: Kenetic Boogaloo
aka: holding left click rotation
@ you have to cast super aswell🙄
truly the goat
expecting lfg performance to rise about 87% from this video
Implying LFG watches videos or tries to improve.
Aegis when it comes to carrying the D2 community:
-insert random Lebron highlights
he did not fall off 🔥🔥🔥
Bungie did instead
he jumped it himself 🔥🔥(after every testing on templar is done)
Tomorrow's Ice Breaker actually goes hard as a name.
5:20 Ah yes TheAegisRelic banner of war combo 🔥
Truly gameplay worthy of Contest mode Herald
Do you think he will use it in Herald of finality for a world record attempt? 🤩
Ex Diris going from zero to hero brings me so much joy! :D
The names you came up with for all the rotations were appreciated
The Legend strikes again! Thank you so much for all you do for the community ❤
IT'S ALL OVER THE SCREEN.
and my keyboard
The real hero of damage rotations! Thanks for the video.
Thank you very much Aegis for you well done interesting Ranking of DPS rotations and all you do for the community
I appreciate you taking the time to sort this all out for us.
13:38 chicken si-2 come back we miss you :(
I need his cooks. He was one of the main people 8 watched for my hunter rotations
My goat of Warden's Law rotations. I wish he'd come back with some Last Word rotations
Where did he go?
for choir of one i believe the firerate actually increases if you tap fire it with the right rhythm, it's a little bit faster, maybe not enough to shift the balance of the rankings but a fun tidbit of information otherwise (applies to both projectile and hitscan modes)
Interesting :P
The biggest achievement of all this work is proper Chapters in this video.
i jk, gr8 work! The biggest Destiny word salad to date!
Thanks for this video. I havent enjoyed any damage rotations since the double slug meta during DSC launch or the Izi + Precision Rocket during Vow. Those felt fun to use because it's mainly gunplay. Since then, the damage rotation metas have trended towards ability usage or fragments to take advantage of reload tech. I've just opted to use consistent, easy strats because learning a certain swap meta seems useless due to inevitable nerfs. For example, the sanguine swap, while it is easy to use, will probably get nerfed going into episode 3 due to the seemingly unintended nature of it. For now, an eternal warrior + star-eater tcrash with bitter-sweet seems like the easiest brain off pick with the current artifact mods.
Last night I just got my first Chill clip Liturgy and lucky it had envious arsenal! Finally do the rotations i want!
I have been trying all season it will just not give me envious arsenal
banger vid, thanks for all the effort you put in
your doing gods work man, keep it up!
Man goes so hard just for all of us to use Thrunderlord.
new opinions just dropped
Facts* you watch datto for opinions
I'm here for the in game chat banter
The last word rotation was amazing ❤ Ppl finally wont kick me to orbit after wiping for dmg
Euphony & Wicked Combo is WILD 🎮🎮🥳🥳✌🏽✌🏽 Appreciate Appreciate the Testing as ALWAYS!! & I had no idea Bastion was such a decent Total Damage option, now I'm wondering which Builds I can use to Spam Melees on My Hunter for Decent Boss Damage 🤔🤔
For Euphony, I really like to pair it with a cascade gl because unlike Cloudstrike which requires a couple of shots to proc cascade point, Euphony only requires either just 1 full burst of crits or only 2 crits of the burst, but can't remember.
Thank you for your tremendous effort.
doing gods work my guy
I wonder how Bungie will tackle elemental damage buffs in the artifact from next episode onwards, especially since Sanguine's rework made everyone a bit more aware of the double dipping effect on weapons inside your own well. It also doesn't help that Facet of Courage boosts weapon damage inside a well, alongside Prismatic Warlock having a fairly easy way to apply sever/unraveling and therefore proc this fragment.
All people have to do each episode is switch the super of their prismatic swap to match the current trendy heavy weapon (as long as it does light aligned damage), and then just go all out in combining ability AND weapon damage buffs to boost their weapons.
If anything, the amount of time you put into these videos is concrete proof that we need a shooting range with different targets including a 10 million health raid boss tier target.
Though im pretty sure we would already have one if bungie werent the way they are.
I love all these ridiculous looking rotations, they're my favorite
GG, always appreciate your videos 👍
my beloved until its return ... i invested in you week 1 of deep ...
Goated payoff
Hey Ive been thinking about asking this for a few days and finally remembered! Have you considered maintaining a DIM wishlist so this stuff is super accessible? I know I for one would trust your list more than anyone else's. Could be another way to get your name out there even more as well! Either way I truly appreciate what you do for the Destiny endgame community ❤
There's someone in my Discord server that maintains a wish list matching the tier lists
God tier content 🎉
Very detailed thanks
Very nice job man
Very informative vid my short king
AMAZE THANK
Its finally out!!! :DDD WOOOOOO!!
In #3 bittersweet is benefitting from having the origin trait. It gets a boosted amount of damage from conductive crystal over regular arc.
Yeah
Yupp, another great video
Love this type of video
So appreciate this video.
Nice video again bro ❤
New vid idea: "testing every banable offense to see wich one gets me banned the fastest"
“Screenshots are actually in first place, due to how much of an unfair advantage they offer.” - Aegis, if he makes the video
Hey Aegis what do you think the best warlock options are here if you factor out the artefact?
Tomorrow’s ice breaker?
Or something with chill inhibitor?
Could be either, obviously one needs Gjally though
Appreciate this boss man
Thanks for the numbers.
Finally, my loadouts for boss encounters have arrived!
Thanks for the great damage vid
You're a legend for all the testing. What exotic did you use for euphony and euphony gl rotation, if not apotheosis?
Sanguine
@@TheAegisRelic ahh ok, cheers mate :D
I've been having a lot of fun with a Tina's/ Icebreaker/ Chill Inhibitor swap with SES/ Foetracer S&S.
Quality work as always sir, if you have time, could we get some armour mod suggestions for the Liturgy/Ex Diris/Bitter Sweet rotation?
It's just targeting/dex/arc reserves/stasis surges/time dilation, nothing too crazy
@@TheAegisRelic thanks mate
Bro the quality of this video is insanely high
Thank you!
im the no repreive fan btw ive been waiting for this rotation #15 my whole career since plunder shoutout
Glad you got some representation haha
I’ve been using bastion on song of flame with a apotheosis syntho class item. While syntho won’t up your melee damage in super it does in transcendence and apotheosis with gaining more ignitions in song of flame with bastion. I wanna test its potency on normal solar with the option to swap speakers sight into apotheosis for damage phases. Potentially dawn chorus as well.
I always knew ex diris would have its time
100% subscribed
Would you be able to do some math with Lament?? Like how does Lament fair against what he have right now in the meta with its dps and total damage
Check his spreadsheet, it's in the sustained tab.
Basically, it sucks, worse than basically every other sword. Combined with pack hunter from ergo it's pretty close to a legendary caster with effectively no damage perk. And it's lower than heartshadow.
peak posted again
Only aegis would be looking to optimise the damage optimisation video 😂
the sanguine buffs were so good
I did happen to get an Envious/Cascade Wicked Sister so now I am curious about it.
I've got one, and Euphony procs Cascade Point with a single burst. Shame Aegis couldn't fully test it so idk how it's DPS compares, but the non-surge matching Bitter/Sweet apparently only did a little better with Cascade, so it probably is the same story. Cascade at least FEELS quite good though with it. If nothing else, Cascade Point makes it fantastic at nuking minibosses/champs in Nightfalls and stuff.
Damn that’s a nice roll
It always comes back to well somehow
Hey Aegis, amazing vid. One question, how do you arrive at these total numbers? Is it total possible dmg dumping all ammo? Cos I’ve never gotten anywhere near this much ( currently trying strats for speedrunning Warlords Ruin ) and dumping everything doesn’t get me anywhere close to this. Is there a different scaling on Templar or am I just shit? ( it’s the latter… I’m sure ) thnx!
It's with Lumina + support auto, if you want just the regular numbers from the video those are also there
@ ok, thanks for replying!
So what you’re saying is use Thunderlord? Got it.
YEP
Aaaand to reveal the best rotation in the game...gets banned
Glad you're back🎉
Or as I like to call a lot of these rotations "I paid for the whole Guardian so I'm going to use the whole Guardian".
Bro thank you for not actually getting banned fr
I was so scared you were gonna turn out to be a pve Bakken
Is Bakris or foetracer relevant for horseman impetus inhibitor to give a 3/4 surge to horseman inhibitor and potentially a cascade deadlock?
I was thinking about a Cascade Deadlock but its archetype makes the farm probably not worth it, for a shorter rotation Foetracer is definitely better though since you don't need the third full reload
For the bitter sweet rotation is bait and switch or jolting feedback better with envious😊
BnS
Jolting feedback is not a dps perk.
Goat
Looks like I gotta get back to farming class items for that eternal/stareater stoicism 😭
Hey Aegis question, I noticed the playlist of the rotations and haven't had time to check all of them, but is there another place to get a rundown of all these rotations or just sus it out from the playlist? Edit-woop shoulda watched to the very end first.
waiting for next season's refreshed vog adept hezen vengeance with envious arsenal in the left column and bipod BnS & surrounded in the 4th column, and a solar artefact. Hopefully rockets will be back as their rotations are more elegant imo than the GL ones we have had since into the light.
This comment aged like fine wine.
I hate the artifact mod and how i have to reset it for every build (forget and using viod buffs on an arc build. Womp womp). It would be fine to have the extra work if we could save it per build but doing it every time is just an annoyance.
I only get envious/cascade no matter how hard i try for bittersweet 🥺
just started watching, is Dead Man's Tale with Unlucky Arms #1 yet?
mountaintop + grand overture + stareater & eternal warrior & tonic to reload
Bro got banned and came back with a vengeance
27:26 🔥🔥🫡
I'm in a buss watching this and I screamed YEAHHHH when he said that
I cant fucking wait to see the Ex Deeznuts rotation in lfg raids
At 25:25 you mention the Bipod Tomorrow's Answer having access to 18 rockets "on its Adept version" - am I missing something because I thought Adept didn't really make a difference seeing as we can enhance normal versions. What does Adept add to make it worth grinding for?
Adept trials weapons get 2 perks in the last column.
You can get bipod+BnS as those 2 perks.
You can rally on bipod and swap to BnS for extra free rockets (this is likely unintended, but it does currently still work).
@SpiderReviver oh I see, thanks for clarifying. Yeah that'll probably get 'fixed' like they did envious assassin by nuking it if you swap loadouts
I would love to run the liturgy/ex/bitter rotation but I can’t get the bitter role to drop. The role doesn’t exist for me. Thinking about giving up on it because it most likely gonna phase out of the meta next episode and the tonic system sucks.
Why does my dps class get out damaged by the healing class? 🤔
Human beings (and aliens), how is this rotation using god roll Tinasha's Mastery (Air Trigger/Chill Clip) instead of Liturgy? i have a Tinasha's god roll and i was wondering if works well the same way or nay?
You can it'll just be a bit less damage
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks for carrying our community Aegis Shield!!! 😭
Cant wait to continue farming liturgy and not getting envious chill before bungie inevitably nerfs these interactions when act 3 comes out!
it doesn't make sense for plenty of reasons but I'm curious how witherhoard + velocity baton + envious bns tomorrows would work
Need to stow an Envious Arsenal weapon before it can load sadly
Aaaaaaannnddd… it’s everywhere 👊👊
LETS GOOOO
Epic
The weakening effect of grenade launchers, does it stack with the blinding buff obtained with arc weapons? I know Liturgy can run disorienting grenades and Ex Diris can blind on its own so I'm wondering if Bitter/Sweet with those two benefit from it. Is weakening 15% and blinding 8%?
Ed: One thing you might have not considered: Empowering Rift on Warlocks STACK with Sanguine Alchemy and Well of Radiance, that's another 20% added to the mix xD
Blinding buff (Arc Compounding) is a stacking buff, so it will stack with everything. Weaken is a standard debuff so it stacks with everything else besides standard debuffs (basically just weaken, tractor, and tether are considered standard debuffs).
Liturgy disorienting grenades don't actually blind (blind is a subclass verb while disorienting is a special other property).
The blinding artifact mod is a 15% boost not 8%.
Empowering rift does not stack with well of radiance. It is considered an empowering buff (radiant, well, empowering rifts, bubble, lumina, etc.) so the game just defaults to using whichever is the highest buff %. (Empowering used to stack with radiant way back in season of the haunted, but that was an unintended bug).
Sanguine on the other hand is a 10% buff that stacks with everything.
You can find somebody called Court who maintains a thorough spreadsheet/infographic of various stuff that do and don't stack together.
@@SpiderReviver Ohh, so using Empowering rift with Sanguine inside a Well does nothing? It only extends the duration of the rift by killing ads but you don't get the 20% extra damage, got it. So then the Liturgy we need only requires EA with Chill clip, Ex Diris and Bitter Sweet...put the well down, switch to Prismatic with Arc and that's it? That's neat. Thank you so much for all the explanation. Man, Alchemy will get nerfed at this rate...
Is it possible for the top 5 dps options you show not only character and weapons but show aspects fragments and what mods I need on my armor
If you have any questions I can answer them :P
How do i find the builds for some of these rotations? Like #5?
I haven't posted them this season but if you have any questions you can ask me directly
@TheAegisRelic Legend! Could you tell me what I need for rotation 5? Meaning the shotgun names, their perks, what fragments and armour mods. Only the necessary ones ofcourse :) i don't want to make you send everything but like obviously the reload fragment is a must and maybe ready and stow mods are a must?
Thank you in advance!! Love your videos and damage rotations
ALH + Cascade Until Its Return
The Fourth Horseman
Cascade + BnS VS Chill Inhibitor
The Dragon's Shadow + Whisper of Impetus
3 Stasis surges, QoL mods otherwise
@@TheAegisRelic thank you man, I really appreciate it!
Is there a risk of this video being outdated when new artifact mods in act 3 release? Perhaps you could specify this is up to date as of act 2? Genuine questions I don't mean to backseat
perhaps, but we would need to get another crazy dmg perk for any substantial changes
I doubt it but I might add or update a few if there's some crazy mods coming
@@TheAegisRelic Honestly, I hope they do
Make yourself a good craftable outbreak