Testing Every Relevant Weapon for Boss DPS in The Final Shape (Still Hunt, Euphony, Microcosm)
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- This one's a long one, but there's been a lot of changes over this patch that I've had to cover. Sit back, relax, and enjoy me going over every potentially relevant DPS weapon in The Final Shape.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:51 Supplemental damage intro
02:36 Witherhoard vs. Lost Signal
03:30 Anarchy vs. Dragon's Breath
04:03 The decline of swap specials
06:04 Lucky Pants hand cannon hierarchy
06:29 Exotic primary ranking
07:10 Outbreak nanite scaling and comparisons
08:05 Rockets vs. GLs
09:33 Still Hunt analysis
10:40 Dragon's Breath analysis
11:30 Legend of Acrius analysis
11:59 Leviathan's Breath analysis
12:25 Whisper of the Worm analysis
12:52 One Thousand Voices analysis
13:14 Cloudstrike analysis
14:02 Microcosm analysis
15:00 Sleeper Simulant and Thunderlord analysis
15:23 Two-Tailed Fox with Facet of Command analysis
16:07 Pack Hunter with Relentless Strikes
18:00 Sword DPS ranking
19:18 Swords vs. other heavies
19:57 Pack Hunter with Cold Steel
20:33 Heartshadow vs. The Lament
21:33 Note on Pack Hunter exceptions
21:44 Ergo Sum update
22:56 Merciless analysis
23:33 Parasite analysis
24:14 The Prospector analysis
24:42 D.A.R.C.I. analysis
25:46 Truth analysis
25:58 Euphony analysis
29:54 Bastion analysis
30:36 The Queenbreaker analysis
31:07 Deathbringer update
31:36 Ager's Scepter analysis
32:33 Grand Overture analysis
33:28 Salvation's Grip analysis
34:07 Critical Anomaly with Chill Clip analysis
35:12 Linear fusion rifle (Scintillation) analysis
36:51 Machine gun (Hammerhead and aggressives) analysis
37:45 Summary
40:21 Outro 
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Some small notes:
- Grand Overture, much like every other weapon here, was tested with a simulated Lumina + No Hesitation buff, which is equal (or greater if you include the latter) to Hazardous Propulsion's 35% global empowering buff, and so the numbers you see in this video are as good as it gets for the weapon: the same buff as HP (except it buffs the regular shots and not just the volley)
- Euphony's damage does not increase significantly as a result of equipping Swarmers, as all that does is apply unravel to the target, which is something that you can do by just throwing out an Arcane Needle on damage start, something you can do with any other warlock damage option
Please check the spreadsheet for additional info before commenting if you have any questions or feedback to give :)
Literally posted a comment asking about Swarmers on Euphony before I saw this, lol. So do you think Apotheosis the clear winner then for Euphony builds? Since even considering the entire sandbox, Euphony ammo is probably mostly saved for boss damage, I guess? So anything that maximizes that potential would be the best fit for it
Question: does Ergo Sum Wolfpack apply to other users’ Ergo Sum swords, despite them being exotic? If so, does the projectiles count towards The Perfect Fifth?
We also no longer have surges in raids and dungeons. For the sake of comparison that does not matter, but just to reiterate the beginning of the video.
Do you have a video that explains how to deciver the spreadsheet?
can't believe thunderlord is still the best dps, i keep using it, thanks for the info!
Can't wait to show all my lfg's who the real final boss is.
Thunderlord never leaves my heavy slot… LFGS hate me out dpsing them
@@marianomarchione6242 thunderlord is good don't get me wrong but they must be really bad if they're getting out dpsed by thunderlord lol
*Microcosm
What other guns do you use with thunderlord?
It’s so cool to see that even after all these years, coldheart is still the best dps option
So true
I'm already seeing laser beams everywhere LMAO
Now for the ultimate meme, quadruple Lazer beam.
so my takeaway from this video after watching it all is that;
-edge transit and rockets are still good, but edge transit is better for ease of use, total damage and overall dps without needing someone to run ghorn, and it’s also the best option if your on a warlock/titan for dps.
-still hunt is the best dps special and overall damage if your on a hunter using celestial. basically it’s so good that it blows everything out of the water when you throw in apex predator and holster mods. (edit: just announced its getting a 25% nerf in august, it’s still going to be top tier, just not as good as it is now, if your combining it with apex predator your still going to be doing extremely good damage).
-swords are in a good place esp with ergo sum buffing them, and summum bonnum is pretty much the new winner in terms of raw damage in the right situation in terms for swords.
-microcosm, levis breath, whisper etc. are all good consistent options for dps
-euphony is a good special, it’s good on its own but better as a dump special after you’ve dumped all your heavy. it also really highlights how bad linears are. Cloudstrike is also extremely good as a dps special.
-linears are just straight up bad, not worth using besides euphony. euphony highlights how bad this is based upon how it outdamages even the best heavy linear in damage.
I really do wish Linears were good again, kind of sucks they took the 15% nerf in lightfall and have been powercrept to hell and back. probably the only heavy weapon class that really needs to be looked at and buffed, really do feel like they should bridge the gap between dps and full damage, like more dps than whisper while having good respectable damage, i get during the witch queen era they were a bit problematic (mainly because of div, which is a problem that’s already been dealt with) but nowadays they don’t really see much use outside of niche situations. with whisper basically being back on top and having weapons like still hunt and euphony who do their job better, if not by much more than heavy linears. i do hope bungo reverts the 15% nerf and gives them something more.
@aegis what would you pair with edge transit for after the dump? Feel like void specials are lacking...
Nessas oblation, the 2023 glaciocasm (overflow controlled burst), and wilderflight seem like the most optimal, but personally I'd just use izi
@@brendanlandine8824you're right good void damage specials are lacking, barely any of them run vorpal with the exceptions of some shotguns that are better off for double pellet
@@brendanlandine8824fugue is the best special void weapon to pair with edge, either that or use mahees with lucky pants
if your using kinetic, id personally iza or if you need a special; father's sin and the other void specials mentioned by others in the comments would work.
thunderlord and microcosm is the definition of "put on a shirt" vs "empowering" meme
Favorites of Titans, everywhere. They can eat their crayons and still DPS.
Micro is soooooo nasty tho wardens luckys and micro bottom slot double kinetic surge mods 😩
@@stickupkydd9454 Yes, but on hunter, still hunt exists so put that suboptimal loadout away and get with the meta
@@Real28no there fave is hazourdous propolsion. Otherwise they get kicked for "not having enough dmg"
you're definitely old if you still think about that meme wtf
Man, hearing lament is now one of the worst sword options for dps genuinely shattered my heart. I absolutely adored that thing ever since it came out and ran it whenever I could. Only recently did I find myself not enjoying it as much and having numbers back that up solidifies its spot in my vault. I’ll be waiting for its glorious return.
The king will return soon 😤
I’m personally glad because I always fell asleep trying to complete that expansion, so I never unlocked Lament, and I was tired of LFG’s telling me to go get it when I had a perfectly usable Goldtusk and Falling Guillotine
😢I'm still out DPSing other swords with Lament on Harold.
@@jheun83your anecdote is the result of lfg (or your friend group) being horrendous at damage, not a reflection of the weapon in your hand.
@@jheun83 You would also do a lot more damage if you used something else
Everybody: wondering if Aegis is dead
Aegis: Releases enough testing footage to be longer than the ENTIRETY OF DESPICABLE ME
"How long is your shift today?" "4.38 Dispicable Mes." Free Sketch.
Lament is one of the most baffling nerfs they've ever made considering only legendary swords got better with wolfpack rounds.
It's not really - the 2nd encounter in the Salvation's Edge raid is sword-heavy, and if everyone used Lament it'd be too easy. So they nerfed Lament to the point of being laughable now, considering they also added the new Ergo Sum and Wave Frame swords. It makes complete sense to nerf Lament but they went too far. The second it was announced, plenty were suspecting a Sword encounter in the new raid and they were right.
lament gets wolfpack
@@EatsUsedTP ...
@@EatsUsedTPthe brain dead thrall have come out to feast
@@jay-5061 I shall continue spreading misinformation
One argument with Ill Omens: Attrition Orbs allows it to self generate stacks to use for Argent Blade as well as surges. A single heavy I believe on casters is 10 hits so every heavy you're getting an orb. In most scenarios it wont mean much if you already have other members generating orbs too but I think it's something to consider for solo players or random match making.
We do use Attrition in SE speedruns for Herald for this very reason!
Would love to see a Boss damage Bootcamp series (of) video(*s) to help those of us new(er) to raiding etc requiring hints & tips + to up our dmg output.
Going in-depth on rotations would be huge, agree
TLDR: Taipan still clears (trust me)
my opinion has arrived
thank god i don’t have to think anymore
Was going into withdrawals before this was uploaded. Thanks Aegis!
Thank you for all your work and time putting everything here together, it’s so frustrating seeing other damage tests and things don’t feel explained or tested thoroughly, or not even consistent across tests with wildly inaccurate numbers to back that up. You and the peeps helping you are amazing!
wake up babe aegis just uploaded
Just wanted to let you know that I love these videos / spreadsheets so much. I've been playing destiny for a long time (mostly PvP), but never had the confidence to push into higher difficulty PvE stuff due to a lack of knowledge of what I should bring. Cleared my first GMs via LFG this week, and even ended up helping someone else get their first GM clear!
Love your work! Thank you so much for everything youve done for the community.
that is a lot of work my guy. very much appreciated.
Gods work. Thank you Aegis. The wait for your content is always worthwhile.
Hearing how Lament got hit hard and isn’t doing much for DPS sword wise hurts man. It’s one of my top 5 exotics that I love and hearing how it’s struggling this much and how badly Bungie nerfed it sucks. I really wish it ends up getting some buff or catalyst in the near future. Like Argent Blade or something, literally anything.
Nerfed and power crept at the same time. Just like LFRs the year before.
You just gained a subscriber ! Amazing video.
Hope to see Hazardous Propulsion dame testing in the future for our fellow titans
Aegis, as always great video! Thanks for doing this for the community.
Our data analyst cooked hard, thanks for the work. Can't wait for part 2 !
Very good vid! Lots of work and we appreciate it!
Always a W when aegis uploads
Nice to see that Thunderlord is still the highest DPS option with all these amazing options available now. Great testing!
love your content, so valuable. thanks again!
Thanks for the numbers.
I’ve been waiting for this video since TFS launched!!
You're amazing, man. This has got to be so much work
It is indeed, but the work's been done for a while, now I'm just turning it all into videos :P
Would you mind testing Microcosm + Hazardous Propulsion? If you have a Song of Flame warlock alongside you, you pretty much have 100% uptime on your Thruster, and you can stack the rockets really quickly with Microcosm. I've been using it for Witness DPS, and it's a pretty easy-to-use option that can still pump out huge numbers.
I still hate how Bungie robbed Two Tailed as a viable DPS option when they changed the RoF for the catys 3rd rocket. Most exotics get their 15 minutes of fame, but Two Tailed only got 5 and it was unjustifiable for a change as drastic as that. Can you imagine the rocket meta with Gally, DBreath, Apex, Crux and TTF swap rotations? It would have been pure bliss. Especially with TTF applying void weaken or suppression effects just by using it with certain artifact mods.
Im not a huge stan of TTF but i will always back it when i say that Bungie dropped the bag with the change they gave it. Think Anakin not being a master levels of disappointment and frustration.
The real nail in the coffin was when they standardized all jolt values so TTFs Jolt no longer did more than other sources
@@warv6552so ttf is useless?😔
@@ginjadingo2941 Yeah the jolt went from like around 17,000 damage to around 4,000 which is a 76% nerf. And since it’s dps was lower than legendary rockets, that jolt was the only reason to use it in endgame content.
@warv6552 Back when the caty first dropped and people put in the grind to unlock and use it, TTF was putting up some competitive numbers, despite the jolt being out of band. It was just as easy to use as any other rocket, and if you used strand grenades that by-passed the reload, which most people were doing with gally swaps and legendary rockets to begin with. That Thump-Thump TTF had knowing you sent a 3rd rocket for extra damage was bliss. Now it's Thump-Thump-Thump, which tanks the RoF and DPS. It was so sad of a change.
@@BuckShot456789 Without the extra damage jolt it’s damage couldn’t really compare to pack Hunter lengdaries. It’s only real place was in niche solo situations like Solo prophecy speedrun on Kell Echo esp since the season that they nerfed jolt was the same season Apex Predator got refreshed and basically made every other rocket irrelevant, as well as them changing surge mods so that 3x void weapon boosts no longer benefited all 3 rockets essentially meant TTF had 1 single season where it was a competitive damage option. By the time they changed the fire rate it was basically already dead but apparently they thought it needed another nerf so now it’s dead.
my goat is back with more funny numbers so I can pretend to know what I'm doing
Have you tested ill omen with attrition orbs? It keeps radiant, argent ordinance, and surges active. If with 6 of them you can get another super off in a phase then it could be very good
I THOUGHT I WAS AWAKE BUT THEN AEGIS UPLOADED. NOW IM AWAKE 🔥🔥🔥
Great video!! Thanks for the work bro!!
These videos really help put things into mathematical perspective. Thanks for the work you do, although gruelling.
Love the work you do, thanks for everything you provide the Destiny community.❤
Unsure how valuable this is but something I like about Euphony is that it procs cascade point in just two crits, less than one burst. I could see it making a great pairing with a cascade/bns heavy GL. I've been using it with an autoloading/cadcade Cataphract. Probably not optimal but dumping the nades with cascade gives me plenty of time to switch back to Euphony to keep the spindle damage buff going, and it makes good backup DPS once I've dumped all the nades. Double strand is nice for surges also.
crazy work dude
kneel for the king
tongue out or nah
Ergo Soom and Ty for the video!
You are seriously a godsend to the community bro. Such an underrated channel. Thank you for all your hard work!
Appreciate you. Excited for your thoughts on Song of Flame, star eater Song of Flame, and Song of Flame with a demo GL/rocket.
Ty for the numbers again :) i can definitely speak for acrius with it's ease of use and very good damage, was doing salvations edge for the first time and everyone else was on swords while i was on acrius for herald of finality, and i was always at double the damage of everyone else at the wipe screen. I was also wondering if cloudstrike+crux with hazardous propulsion is a viable dps option for stuff like witness (im a titan main so i don't have access to celestial) and i was relieved to see you recommending it. Keep up the great work you do for this community
A true boss. Thank you!
I recently got the Star-Eater/Apotheosis combo exotic class item for my warlock. Fantastic for DPS phases, obviously.
He's officially done it, now I don't need another Aztecross video for 6 months😂
My GOAT has returned
Great video. Cant wait to see if OG Verity options can still beat prismatic Veritys (Inmost light/Apotheosis/...). Especially without the teammate buff on the Spirits
Let's go I don't have to think now. Tysm cutie
Pack Hunter also makes proc'ing Attrition Orbs easier, I was making orbs nonstop at Herald
wow! I love airgow soom!
Im less excited for christmas than these, bless 🙏
One combo I've been trying is Euphony swapping to Cataphract with ALH + Cascade point. Curious on your thoughts if you've tried it. The cascade point lets you dump the mag and get back to Euphony before the spindle stacks fall off.
Will try it out!
The shatter damage from glacial quake on prismatic with star eaters is so good it’s funny
The nice part with euphony though is that its a special weapon with good damage but its also really good at clearing rooms with a semi decent strand/prismatic build if you build into threadlings a bit so the damage is more of a secondary part of it imo. Also just looks sick.
Man you are amazing love your content keep it up❤
the lament nerf was so stupid. what was even the point?
bungo no like sword going brr. :c
@@pupperaccinoSurrounded bequest:
@@svn5994 i meant literally brr, chainsaw vroom vroom
ive been using my legendary blast furnace over outbreak, and it is amazing. curious what the dps would be. my roll is frenzy kinetic tremors with a 60 rnd mg
really early into the video still but I'm happy to see that lost signal is competitive with witherhoard
What about Dragon's Breath and Scatter Signal? It's a simple swap that I do quite often in a lot of content, and I would like to know how it fares with other damage options
As I don’t play anymore it is very interesting how the game has evolved thank you Aegis
I have a build that I use with Euphony that does not match still hunt but does let me not lag behind as much, I've found that with an apotheosis star eater bond running threadling nades and needlestorm, I am able to do super, nade, fire, nade, fire, nade, fire, nade, fire then swap to an auto loading BnS cataphrac then continue back to Euphony keeping up the buff while firing 2 shots with it before swapping back to cataphrac, it could be better if the cata has cascade over BnS but I tend to get out my ammo in the GL before Witness damage is over, could be something interesting to test for a warlock rotation
Would MARSILION-C (hvy SOLAR gl) with envious + full court, paired with stillhunt, be better than edge transit for say witness dps?
Potentially, will test
Full court only buffs the explosive portion of the GLs damage by 25%, and since marsilion is a 150rpm that means the blast radius is extremely low so full court is not as good.
Hey, Aegis! Im curious if you've tested the viability of Arc Souls vs Star-eater Scales Nova bomb now that we have an easy convenient way of making your entire team amplified via Ascendance. If I remember correctly, your spreadsheet pre-TFS stated that 1 amplified + 5 regular Arc Souls outdamaged a Thread of Evolution Needlestorm in around 13 seconds, the change to 6 Amplified Arc Souls should roughly be an 86% damage increase. In addition, anyone with an Arc Soul on Prismatic will likely give it a 10% damage increase thanks to Facet of Courage.
Next video! :)
thank you my goat
The area denial came in clutch, i can use it and cold comfort and still keep my exotic for add clear or swap to still hunt for some nutty dps
It would be cool to see how the scorching rounds from song of flame works with better kinetic weapons like outbreak, supremacy, microcasm, bastion, lucky pants.
In my experience the effect isn't that significant but I might test it later
@@TheAegisRelic yeah it seems scorch rounds only proc every so often depending on the weapon type so it probably isnt substantial. The only other thing that would possibly work would be if swapping weapons resets the timer. Even then the only real world benefit might be for a dragonsbreath rotation but i feel like song of flame + apotheosis veil probably do the best or close to the best damage and is far easier to pull off than some wild swap stuff
Ive been getting back into Destiny 2 and although I've lost interest in endgame content I still find these videos entertaining.
Also, hearing Lament and heavy linears have fell off a cliff is geneuinely upsetting. Cataclysmic was my go to throughout the whole of Witch Queen too.
God blessed aegis upload!! will we see a rotation designed around hazardous propulsion some point in the future? (i really want to see how good it is with grand overture)and is pro memoria with recon BNS good compared to other LMGs?
Overture numbers use Lumina here which is the same buff
Great job!
BIG GG for this video wow
Thanks!!! This is great
Ager's with Icefall mantle is very good for Titans to use during a stasis surge since Behemoth doesn't work on anything further than 10 feet than you, ran it on the Arc/Stasis pantheon and almost always topped out damage while using it with a half decent Cold Comfort. If Pantheon comes back keep that combo in your pocket for Caretaker and Explicator.
It is unfortunate but stasis has the single worst choice of weapons for DPS, the only one that stands out really only being Cold Comfort. Good thing that there's always at least 2 surges available for any activity. :)
They ruined stasis titan with the stasis rework (nerf). It's to the point that the behemoth clan fell apart because the subclass now has no viability.
What's the play for witness damage on warlock and titan?
Love you for this
The one place I really like 4th times retrofit for is final boss of Warlords ruin. A boss that is very easy to crit, and has enough seperate phases that you can reasonably actually make use of the total reserves
Many of us wish we could give you way more than 1 like on the video. Here’s a comment to go with it. You put so much time and effort into these videos. There’s no way they pay out to the effort you put in. Thanks!
Holy wowza all that stream time coming together to make one saucy dmg explanation papa aegis is spoiling me today
What would be the best option to pair with cloudstrike for a longer dmg phase i.e. the witness? My choices are auto loading full court/EL/cascade wendigo or recon EL crux termination (no wolfpack).
Both fine
One note about Bastion, it performs amazingly with Wishful Ignorance, as the Wishful melee dmg buff last long enough to continue stacking it even after shooting Bastion again.
So if you just Bastion - Punch continuously you'll constantly habe the trench barrel buff + you'll even further buff the Wishful punches.
I'll add it to the list
so for warlock and titans we do cloudstrike and crux termination/wendigo or should we go still hunt and apex rotation? Also can bns edge transit with still hunt swap but with full void surge be better on titan or warlocks compared to still hunt and apex combo?
I'll test rotations specifically later this season but Apex's better perks might outweigh the decision
@@TheAegisRelic Thank you brother
I've found for me, witness DMG on warlock or titan I'm running parasite and ikelos sniper with a solar holster. I use up 12 parasite shots and almost all of my sniper reserves. At first I thought parasite was a non starter on witness as he is floating and further away, but you can do really good total DMG and it's a pretty chill swap that you can hip fire/quickscope with and never kill yourself from teammates jumping around. I fire the first x20 shot at witness, then 5 sniper shots. Because holsters are wack, each consecutive swap takes less time, but usually I'm jumping around so even with sub optimal 4 shots per. Highest I was able to do in a single DPS phase was 3,750,000 without any debuffs. I also have tons of ammo so I can instakill the subjugators if they are bothering ppl too much.
Edit: i knew Euphony was overhyped.
Whisper ez 4-5 million on Witness. Very good if not playing hunter, best on warlock due to pre-popping nova.
@@pupperaccinoI might give it a try, but considering it literally requires you to be hardscoped, it seems like a good way to get kicked from LFGs for dying multiple times in a DMG phase by thinking you are out of the blasts.
@@yourbrojohno I've found that dodging the lasers is a good option
Which sniper do you pair with Parasite?
Any plans to add how much damage you pick up per heavy brick on the spreadsheet, I think it would be a good addition and I think that’s the reason I still have competitive damage on retrofit in certain boss encounters
Yeah that's a cool idea I was considering adding :)
39:52 for the summary table
I came up with a dps rotation on prismatic warlock using ophidian + star eater nova bomb that goes: arcane needle melee, izzy + reload, throw prismatic grenade, 2 shots persuader, cascade bait edge, super. With facet of command, throwing the grenade right before shooting persuader will reload edge transit right as the mag empties and by the time you cast super and rotate back through the rotation facet of command should be off cooldown
Cool!
For summum bonum is that assuming chaos reshaped is already at x2 at the start of dps? Does chaos reshaped work like shot caller did in pantheon where you can hit something while its immune to get it going before dps phase starts?
Yes, and it works on any damage received/given so you just need to be in combat
I love how the second clip shows the rendering issue that Bungo STILL HASN’T FIXED.
im interested how surge matching affects lucky pants
i always wanted to use wardens law with microcosm to surge match, but i wonder how that compares to something like a vorpal Trust with dragons breath, or erianas with apex
it seems like wardens is still the best legend lucky pants option, better than malf without taken buff even, but even you do, malf can never match surges with another weapon and erianas can, but takes the exotic slot too
Any word on Sightline Signal as a Lucky Pants option? Enhanced Precision Instrument should put it around where Malf is at base, right? Though needing an arc super isn't great.
I don't think so? I will test it when it's out though
@@TheAegisRelic Sorry, Sightline Survey. And it's an act 1 gun, you can get the pattern. Curious though!
Wait you can? I'm copping :D
Dude your vids are amazing thak you so much !
I still have a quick : What do you recommend to supplement the dps of a (Titan) Tractor user ? Preferably in slot 1. I'm using Scater signal with Overflow and Controled Burst, but i wonder if there's anything beter i can use
That's a good starting choice, double sniper or double slug are also fine
@@TheAegisRelic i'm affraid i'll struggle with no primary
You can run rocket sidearm until damage then swap
@@TheAegisRelic oh yeah okay, thanks dude!
Love when i setup bait n switch on my linear swap and start firing and im hitting numbers that look like special sniper numbers
LMAO
Hey Thanks so much for the video man this is amazing, do you have any data on Leviathans breath without oathkeeper? Is it still worth it ontop of something like Micro?
The difference is extremely minor no worries
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks so much for putting the time in for us, can't wait for the ability video!
So Basically what you're saying here, is that warlocks and Titans need an exotic that boosts weapon damage like nighthawk and still hunt? Beuno
Enjoyed the streams about some things in this video and you cutting it during SE practice, keep up the good work G. You’re cooking hard!🫶🏼
L video didnt try out 6x rat king (nah jk thanks so much for making the best videos, really carrying the community on your back)
Lament being out damaged by heart shadow kinda stings
got to get that (ergos soom??)