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Only saving grace I give Ron is that it’s very fun to two and three man. Weird since it’s a raid, but honestly one of the best times I have raiding is just 3 man shenanigans
@@minecraftdragon8583 pretty solid example. Honestly planets was the only thing tripping me and my brother up during some not so serious duo flawless attempts. Honestly I’ve forgives Ron, as it really is just the fastest and most braindead raid to run. Definitely not the best, but I have just loved doing random stuff in that raid
3 man Crown is the most fun I've ever had. I had a 6 person team fall apart on 2nd encounter and 1 guy asked if he could invite his friend in. Said friend joined and they gave me a little time and coaching to make sure I understood the nuances and then, a few tries later, we got it all done. It's a great experience because it's all about knowing exactly what comes next and being there ready to go instead of just reacting to the game prompts and being too slow to keep up with a 3 man's needs.
@@VallornDeathblade exactly why I love it so much. It is predicated on your extensive knowledge of the raid/encounter as well as being able to execute it twice as effectively as a normal raider
@minecraftdragon8583 Idk why but I love RoN, I think Nezarec is one of the best boss fights they've ever made that was unfortunately ruined a bit by plate cheese. It was fun in Pantheon if you actually did it like they intended and didn't use the branch cheese. I wish there was more bosses like Nezarec where he straight up chases you and you have to work around it. Rhulk's damage phase is great too since he's moving around and dashing towards you.
Saying the 5 other legendaries in kings fall are not that good is wild. Doom of Chelchis is one of the best scout rifles and smite is a pretty decent pulse.
idk salvations edge plate encounters get stale pretty quickly. 4th encounter is fun, but I wish everyone could be involved for the boss instead of 3 people on ad clear.
While I agree, me and my clannates have found this right balance for roles: I'm the one doing heavy lifting in 4th encounter, so against the Witness I'm just chilling on ad clear while they do the mechanic 😂
imo the final boss is also too predictable and repetitive after the first clear. And 3rd encounter kinda just feels like it was added so it would be a 5 encounter raid instead of the usual 4. 3rd doesn't really add anything to the experience beyond the square buff introduction. Otherwise the raid is great but I would still put Vow, Last Wish, and Wrath higher.
I feel that way, the first 3 encounters are pretty bad, but verity is really fun and felt like niobe labs on day 1. The witness is fairly easy though, damage isn't that hard but it does keep you on your toes
Telesto catalyst wasn't added with Solstice of Heroes in year 1, Prestige Eater of Worlds and Spire of Stars released a few weeks before Solstice of Heroes.
I despise how GoS had reskinned armor and not unique armor. The black garden has some cool designs they could have incorporated into armor. Hell, I’d even take pyramidion armor where it looks like we are wearing the pyramid ships themselves, given what happens at the end.
@@ontos8914 those at least have the excuse of being destiny’s first two raids. By the time GoS came out, we’ve had KF, WOTM, leviathan, and CoS, all raids that feature unique armor that is not reskins.
I’d say last wish and salvation’s edge are very interchangeable personally, which is great because honestly I never thought we’d get something on last wish’s level again. My only real complaint with salvation’s edge is just the lack of a third boss. If the raid had say a dual subjugator boss fight where they were as active and dangerous as rhulk it would be pure perfection, but as it sits I’m still very satisfied. Vow is still my personal favorite though followed closely by scourge. Rhulk is my goat.
Salvations edge already has the most encounters and the mechanics of each encounter felt refreshing to me but having a boss encounter isn't necessarily better than not having a boss encounter. For example, the 4th encounter is one of my favorites out of any raid and it does it with mostly add clear (as far as damage is concerned).
@@hotinc.9339 I don’t necessarily disagree but if I’m being honest 3rd encounter could stand to be replaced with a boss, or at least something different. It’s definitely the weakest encounter in the raid from a design perspective and imo doesn’t really add much beyond just introducing another shape.
I hoping most of the raids that got sunsetted do get some remasters or reworks and then be implemented back into the game. Also, I hope the current raids like Garden of Salvation gets some updates to its loot pool like how Deep Stone and Last Wish got
Last Wish is Number 1. Each encounter was unique. No real overlap. Everything stays fresh. Best final boss fight in history and it's not even close imo. Salvation's Edge: Encounter 2 should have been a two subjugator bosses in the pit- strand and stasis forcing groups to split into two teams on DPS. Encounter 3 was a huge waste and should have been a scrapped for different encounter entirely. Everything else is perfect imo.
Gonna be honest, I know the community is in a honeymoon phase with Salvation’s edge, but once the ends I don’t see that raid staying top 3. It’s mainly because of the first half, especially encounter 2 & 3 which are easily some of the most forgettable raid encounters in the franchise.
I think it’s fun as like a campaign conclusion and everything but it lacks that WOW moment for me that a lot of the other raids have. No Siege Engine, Space Walk with Deep Stone Lullaby, Leviathan Underbelly, Pyramid Traversal of Vow, Black Garden windmills, etc. it feels like it was designed as a major challenge and a fight to the end with mechanics and everything but it just lacks the moments I show to my non-Destiny friends to be like “look how cool this is!” I think in a year or so the raid will likely drop in rankings once we’re out of the Final Shape / Witness honeymoon era and it’s no longer our big threat. Definitely a top 10 but I don’t feel it’s a top 5 if that makes sense.
Garden of salvation unironically most fun raid. Tether mechanic is prob the best mechanic out of every raid. Problem is that they decided to make picking up gambit motes more important than the genuinely fun and new tether mechanic that required actual coordination with other players. If they just made tether more important in 2nd, 3rd and final encounter it'd be top tier. Also black garden is hands down the best location in all of destiny (PERSONALLY)
Conceptually its my favorite raid, and its the one I know the least about, I basically got my div and never ran it again, but I've been going back and getting all the raid seals, so I cant wait to play it more :)
GARDEN is one of the best raids EVER!!! Every encounter is different and the boss is beefy. The art is AMAZING too. Crown rated higher than GOS might be an ACTUAL CRIME.
@@kyledea187mdkjr5At least it’s two different bosses in Garden and not just Gahlran Jr. and Gahlran Sr. Also lets not forget that Crown’s bosses are just a very big and normal sized Ceremonial Bather from Leviathan. Garden’s bosses are the only two Vex in the series to be made out of stone.
@@FadedMaple07 I'd also argue that Titan raid sets have looked decent across many raids. Last Wish, Vow, Ron (Though the armor shades horribly which is why nobody uses it because why does it shade differently from every other armor? Even pyrogale which is an exotic version of the armor set shades normally), even the new Titan set is okay unlike the other 2.
I still think Garden's mechanics are head and shoulders above a lot of raids you ranked higher. The loot is good, not great, but the experience and div quest are just awesome
It's not very replayable with a team either. None of my friends want to run it. I don't understand why the entire raid is very hard except for the final encounter with the biggest bad which is.. easy? The balancing is so wack
I think the fact LW has 4 bosses vs SE 2 makes up for the aging of the raid. I also really just like the dreaming city playspace more than the one we got for SE. But those 2 are for sure 1 and 2
Wow… I did NOT expect to disagree with this video as much as I did. Would have to replay the D1 Raids to get a real grip on it but dang. Only one I will say is I freaking love GoS lol. Great video as always though.
Garden had a lot of hate but the hate for the raid has begun disappearing because the things that made it bad are mostly gone. When it came out it was buggy and barely playable and the divinity runs made many hate it but now most people see it as a decent raid not the best but not the worst. His rankings however seem more difficulty based rather than quality I mean Spire is one of the lowest quality raids in Destiny history having even less quality than the first d1 raids it didn't even have proper loot being just re-skins and only being 2 legendary weapons. It only had difficulty and that's why I think this is difficulty over quality.
For me, kings fall has a special place in my heart, I remember watching my brother beat it and we were so happy jumping up and down, I also love the boss battles in it, and I love oryx as a villain, for me, it is the greatest raid, but also great ranking!
Seeing the original d1 kingsfall gameplay hit a special piece of nostalgia for me. It was when destiny was still kinda new and mysterious, the k8ngs fall raid and all off ttk were awesome to me. It also just so happened to be right when rick and morty launched as well and I would usually think of one when playing or watching the other.
Salvation's Edge is a fantastic raid, but I think Last Wish deserves to be #1 instead for the simple fact that Riven doesn't limit what builds you can run while the Witness pretty much locks out an entire class (though, this has more to do with Titans being powercrept into a state of crisis.)
Salvations edge could really use a 3rd boss fight. I know they seem to he switched to 2/3 encounters and 2 boss fights but man.. another rhulk or nezarec-esque encounter in salvatioms edge would be incredible.
Saying they're locked out of DPS is completely ridiculous melodrama. Guns are 90% of what matters for DPS. No need for quirky shit either, just throw on Scintillation or Doomed Petitioner and you're literally fine. Still Hunt Celestial is higher damage but you're 2 phasing either way. Im all for reevaluating Titans identity, but this whole "Titans are unplayable for everything" shit is annoying melodrama
@@PorcuDuckSlug Agreed for most things, in normal raids/gms this is a generally true thought. But as someone who frequently does master/low man raids, and after seeing each titan on my day 1 team get forced to switch because they didn't have enough damage, I have to disagree. Even as a warlock, whenever I do master raids or low mans, no matter how good they are, I always see titans struggling more at dps, obviously you wont see it in easier shit, but its noticeable.
@@PorcuDuckSlug I didn't say that they were unplayable for everything, I said that they're effectively locked out of the Witness bossfight. The two most damaging Titan supers can't be used on the boss, meaning their supers are relegated to just ad-clear when that's already on lockdown because of the fact that the Heavy slot isn't necessary for damage. Furthermore, that 10% a Super can contribute can be the difference between wiping due to insufficient damage and killing the boss, and when Titans are already forced to do subpar damage thanks to having to use Linears they need all the options they can get to keep up with the rest of the team while they themselves really don't bring anything to the table.
@@JBreezy_ Spire was the absolute worst of the worst. I hated the visuals of Crown, it looked like everything was covered in shit but the final boss fight was indeed fun.
@@hallfed Garden is just kinda boring, one of the prettiest raids they've ever made though imo. But Vex are just kinda.. meh, never been a fan of them.
I think Vow is the top spot for me. Each encounter is perfect. Caretaker and especially Rkulk are incredible boss designs. The atmosphere is amazing. I think people forget since it’s so common now, but Vow was one of the first times we entered a pyramid and experienced the pyramid aesthetic. The loot is great. Forbearance needs no introduction. Collective Obligation is unique. Vow is also where Bait and Switch was introduced which has still shaped the meta to this day.
The main reason (above others) that Last Wish clears Edge is that every encounter is far more memorable. Like without looking it up, what is the first encounter of Edge called? Because everyone knows what the first of LW is. And everyone says Edge is better because of Verity but that is so different than the rest of the raid, it may as well have been pulled from a completely different raid.
Well Kali can be farmed solo with glitch, then you can use the Wishwall & get the bonus chest. That means you get 2 easy guns per week. There is no need to do other encounters & there is definitely no need to do Riven once you have 1000 Voices exotic. IMO evan places too much emphasis on the day 1 experience.
I've the same top 5 (minus Wrath bc I didnt play it; so KF in its place) but I have Salvedge at #2 and LW for #1 (razer thin difference) only bc Witness feels mechanically simple.
Good list. While I may not entirely agree with some, your points and opinions on why things are where they are is well laid out. That armor set you show in the video for titan during Eater of Worlds was the set from Leviathan. Titan set from Eater was the Nohr Suit.
Wrath of the machine holds a special place in my heart, it's in my top 3 definitely, It was my very first raid that I started and completed with the same fireteam (due to my personal life I never had the chance to play the previous ones in the right way, VOG and Crota loot was not updated with the actual power level so wasn't worth apart from the pleasure of doing them, and I played King's fall in chunks, every encounter with a different team), I loved the encounters, I loved all the bosses, I FUCKING LOVED THE SCORE (the tune that plays during the wipe mechanic still haunts my dreams and everyone who played that raid knows exactly what I'm talking about), I will never forget the feeling to having finally made it. Last Wish and Salvation Edge at top shit as of today, but WOTM is the GOAT in my heart.
Vow is and will forever be my favorite raid. It’s the first real raid experience that I had, and my first low man experience (which led to 3 manning every raid currently in the game along with Pantheon). The loot was great at the time (still okay but not the greatest). But I really love every encounter. It’s fun to just chaos the entire raid.
ron has far better loot than crota. ron has conditional finality which is a METAH wepon, and all of the other loot from ron is decent. crota has the worst loot in a raid ever and it is my least favourite raid. even ron is more fun to run.
I will say I do agree w sweat that last wish is best bc all encounters are boss encounters and I feel like salvations edge could've rly benefited more if it had more or was primarily boss encounters
I thought Ron was at least great for me, i wanted to day one a raid and RON was the first time ive witnessed a day one raid really, even after like 5 years of playing d2, i felt like it was the first raid to really inspire me to kind of just have fun in raids, even then it probably was the most easiest day one raid, i still felt accomplished that i did it day one.
DSC is #1. Objectively. Fite me. In Salvation's Edge: we spawn inside the Witness' tower, climb it while solving random shape-themed puzzles, then we beat the Witness. The story packed into DSC, on the other hand, is too much for me to summarize without writing multiple paragraphs. Every encounter happens for a reason, and every traversal section is iconic.
I wont fight you, i agree with you. DSC has the best raid music by far. However but i will also say Vow is also close, could be #1 as well, even though i only remember 2 tracks now which are First Disciple (rhulk theme) and Harvest (Darkness Scorn theme, plays around the hectic 3rd encounter).
14:47 we kind of have the d1 year one system at least in the sense that every item has a level or light level and in order to reach max level you need every item to be max level.
DSC in top 5 makes me happy. Thats my personal favorite raid, that shouldn't be number 1 but is because nostalgia. Incredible loot, music, design, and its fallen enemies which is always a fun time. The next 3 are hard to choose. I really like Salvations edge, Vow, and Last Wish. I think if I had a gun to my head it would be that order: DSC, SE, Vow, LW. I didn't play Destiny until Beyond Light so I never played the old D2 or D1 raids.
I've played every raid at this point from D1 to D2 and I would put DSC at #1 because it's as close to a perfect raid as exists for the average player. The mechanics are a nice medium complexity that actually get people involved. The loot is some of the best looking ever in destiny and especially perks wise. Like even Bequest is still unbeaten in sword dps. The armor alllooks fantastic to. And the music... enough said. Also the lore that it added for Clovis Bray is just so so good.
@@oxsila The difficulty is perfect for newer/casual players. Its a great first raid. I mean RoN is a good first raid to drag someone through but DSC is a good first raid to have someone do mechanics in.
Salvations edge is hard because of the teamwork part of it. I honestly think it’s a raid (with the right team) you can successfully do the way it is intended underleveled. This raid is NOT an LFG raid, specifically for the rescuing gaurdian part in encounter 4, there’s no bad guys, just call outs, and when it’s a bunch of strangers…. Good fuckin luck
Salvations edge is hard because of the teamwork part of it. I honestly think it’s a raid (with the right team) you can successfully do the way it is intended underleveled. This raid is NOT an LFG raid, specifically for the rescuing gaurdian part in encounter 4, there’s no bad guys, just call outs, and when it’s a bunch of strangers…. Good fuckin luck
Let’s be honest second half of CoS was some of the best high intensity action destiny has ever done. I am not a puzzle guy so I prefer action instead of solve this. So my opinion is probably far off from the res of the community but I have had a pretty bad experience with SE. the timing is too tight without a clan team. People quit way to quick and are just unwilling to adjust their playstyle for the raid. Last wish #1.
Very solid ranking apart from number one. I just can't justify calling a raid where 1/3 of the playable classes are essentially useless "the best" in any way.
Yea, but it didn't feel that way initially. We didn't even get a full explanation of what the Veil was until well after the campaign. If not for the final cutscene of the Witness entering the Traveler, it could have been easily confused for a side story.
@@sandman1008 Sadly this is the issue with removing seasonal content. We learnt Neomuna was housing something important in Season of the plunder and learn what it is that's on Neomuna like directly at the end of Seraph but we're too busy with the station to deal with it. But now that the seasons are gone this is cut and now you just have some weird moment where we somehow know a bit of the veil and that it's on Neomuna before we go there.
For those hoping for a wrath of the machine remake, and say that they wont because of the Siva assets. The husk new dread enemy has a VERY similar feel to one of the more major aspects of Siva fallen. Coding that to be a little different + a change of style would not be that difficult i think. SO THERE IS HOPE
I love Garden, but I gotta agree on some point here Once you have a team that knows how things work and can do it it's wonderful. If not, well... Crota remaster. Good raid, way to boring for my ass. Vow is the reason I want Pantheon back. Caretaker and Rhulk were just so good on their own, but damn, without Pantheon they just feel way to easy
I remember being in the race with my lfg on eater of worlds. We where behind by like 20 minutes, but after they beat it we kinda lost motivaation and for half us it was middlle of the night.
Honestly, your Top 5 aligns with mine. For awhile, Deep Stone was everything. Every single week my clan was in there doing mutliple runs. We mastered that raid. And yeah, it's so very tragic that Wrath of the Machine hasn't been remade for D2 yet.
Wrath will always be my number 1 even though it's only drawbacks is the loot imo since apart from ex machina the rest is mid and the heavy weapons is a joke. It has the best raid armour and it's not even close and the best raid soundtrack and possibly the best soundtrack oat and I could never get bored unlike salvations I just find it so boring it's not even in my top 5 it's probably like 7
TLW and final shape do not belong in the top 2. You ranked vow that high even with the connection issues but scourge so low when the only issue was a cyber attack. Wrath not top 3.
Salvation’s edge is a bad raid the loot sucks for the difficulty besides the exotic there is no reason to do this raid unless your going for the exotic honestly every raid besides garden would be a better use of your time do not do this raid
@@Da_man_dev Because most people don't have the god rolls yet? Most raid weapons aren't common because you need the god roll and 2. Not many people do the raids. If I remember correctly currently under 5% of active players have even beaten the raid who knows how many have a semi decent roll. The only weapon in the loot pool that's bad is the sword and it's because of it being a sword.
I am personally biased towards Wrath, I remember pulling and all nighter and blind running everything. The outbreak puzzle was so cool and the final boss room was probably the coolest set pieces I've ever seen
They did bring back outbreak prefected so i hope they bring back warth i only did the first boss got the fusion rifle and legs for my hunter. I love rise of iron and love siva
I think it’s interesting how much the loot effects people’s opinion on a raid. I play raids for fun and could honestly care less what rewards I get. Bungie could even make a raid that doesn’t reward anything but if its fun you know I’ll be in there running it all the time
for me salvations edge only has 2 good encounters and thats Verity and Witness, the 1st 3 are pretty boring, I wish the Witness moved more and you did more for DPS other than just move around in a small sitting
day 1 experience shouldn't be consider as the factor for ranking because it's not everybody have a chance to try it from many reasons like don't have a team, don't even know about destiny when day 1 raid was start. day 1 raid is only a place for tryhards that's very small percent of the game
I feel like if your rankings were based on story and community gathering instead of Streaming progress and loot (which only so many people actually care about) then this list would significantly different. I think the best streamers for Destiny (like You and others) have to start listing things from an overall perspective and not a competitive streamer perspective
My list 1. Last Wish 2. VOW 3. King's Fall Revamped 4. WOTM 5. Crown of Sorrow 6. SOTP 7. VOG revamped 8. DSC 9. GOS 10. CE revamped 11. EOW 12. RON 13. LEVI 14. SOS Haven't done Salvations Edge yet, but based on what I've seen it can possibly be in my top 5. Also, not including D1 Raids other than Wrath because their Remastered versions are better.
To be the best Destiny raid, I feel that the raid needs to hit the optimal balance of difficulty, mechanics, and accessibility. It needs to be a hard fight, not just a push-over. No "just stand here and damage the boss" fights. It needs to have puzzles that have moving parts that you cannot just bypass with burst DPS. And it really should be playable by everyone in the community. No elitist "git gud, or git gone" attitude. And so, with all that - challenge, mechanics, but accessible to almost all players of all skill - Vow of the Disciple is the best raid.
I d put Salvations in my Top 3 but not 1. Encounter 1,4 and 5 are great the way they are. 2 I would have prefered a character buildup for the Boss during the campaign cause it felt weird to just have a random Boss enemy that looks like Taniks. The 3rd encounter feels just boring to me, its just the same as 1 and 2 but combined, have us dmg a Boss at the end of each room for a total of 3 dps Phases, sort of like Caretaker (ofc it couldnt be the tankiest boss cause of the tormentors and subjugators we have to kill due to ammo restrictions). A 3rd Boss fight would have completed the thing for me and set it on 1 undoubtedly.
Good list but I’d put garden and crown way higher, I really don’t get why everyone hates them. They both have creative and fun mechanics (once the bugs in garden got fixed). I think the reason most hate them is cause the mechanics require EVERYONE to participate, no brainless ad clear and that makes it incredibly frustrating for lfg. Also vog is at the bottom, argue with the wall
Salvations Edge is a decent raid and all but it has large flaws. For one, the first 3 encounters are all almost the exact same thing over & over. The jumping puzzles are needlessly long & boring. They also feel like they were designed with sword skating or grapple in mind & take forever if you're doing them legit. Also the loot is all mediocre. Definitely not the best raid in my opinion. Not even close
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And now someone has solo witness before the new act
Only saving grace I give Ron is that it’s very fun to two and three man. Weird since it’s a raid, but honestly one of the best times I have raiding is just 3 man shenanigans
Honestly if ron was redesigned a little more it could have been a great Dungeon. And then still used the planet encounter for the raid for that year
@@minecraftdragon8583 pretty solid example. Honestly planets was the only thing tripping me and my brother up during some not so serious duo flawless attempts. Honestly I’ve forgives Ron, as it really is just the fastest and most braindead raid to run. Definitely not the best, but I have just loved doing random stuff in that raid
3 man Crown is the most fun I've ever had. I had a 6 person team fall apart on 2nd encounter and 1 guy asked if he could invite his friend in. Said friend joined and they gave me a little time and coaching to make sure I understood the nuances and then, a few tries later, we got it all done. It's a great experience because it's all about knowing exactly what comes next and being there ready to go instead of just reacting to the game prompts and being too slow to keep up with a 3 man's needs.
@@VallornDeathblade exactly why I love it so much. It is predicated on your extensive knowledge of the raid/encounter as well as being able to execute it twice as effectively as a normal raider
@minecraftdragon8583 Idk why but I love RoN, I think Nezarec is one of the best boss fights they've ever made that was unfortunately ruined a bit by plate cheese. It was fun in Pantheon if you actually did it like they intended and didn't use the branch cheese.
I wish there was more bosses like Nezarec where he straight up chases you and you have to work around it. Rhulk's damage phase is great too since he's moving around and dashing towards you.
WRATH IS NUMBER ONE IN D1 PLAYER’S HEARTS!!
Always will be
You guys always say this but come on it’s not. Its a very cool raid with good loot but I’d never put it at 1
Hot take but, Wrath isn't even that great IMO, sure it's got great weapons and decent looking armor but the encounters feel dull
@@deathbringer5743 nah bro you’re right siva lovers are just coping
@@greenlukesky4615ur favorite raid is probably eater of worlds
Saying the 5 other legendaries in kings fall are not that good is wild. Doom of Chelchis is one of the best scout rifles and smite is a pretty decent pulse.
Doom with firefly and Dragonfly has been my go to for a while now.
Machine gun is a good heavy too if you don’t have the DSC one.
Very much felt kings fall for me is 2
Don’t forget how good the sniper is in pvp
Also defiance of Yasmin is one of the best primary sniper of all time😭
idk salvations edge plate encounters get stale pretty quickly. 4th encounter is fun, but I wish everyone could be involved for the boss instead of 3 people on ad clear.
Consider: chaos run where each person gets glyphbreaker XD (its actually pretty fun and super chaotic, if ur dissatisfied id recommend it)
I will say that the last encounter should have had at least one more person be active but I love this raid
While I agree, me and my clannates have found this right balance for roles: I'm the one doing heavy lifting in 4th encounter, so against the Witness I'm just chilling on ad clear while they do the mechanic 😂
imo the final boss is also too predictable and repetitive after the first clear. And 3rd encounter kinda just feels like it was added so it would be a 5 encounter raid instead of the usual 4. 3rd doesn't really add anything to the experience beyond the square buff introduction. Otherwise the raid is great but I would still put Vow, Last Wish, and Wrath higher.
I feel that way, the first 3 encounters are pretty bad, but verity is really fun and felt like niobe labs on day 1. The witness is fairly easy though, damage isn't that hard but it does keep you on your toes
Telesto catalyst wasn't added with Solstice of Heroes in year 1, Prestige Eater of Worlds and Spire of Stars released a few weeks before Solstice of Heroes.
I got mine in prestige eater of world's. I also got the glowing armor ornaments too. Great memories for sure
I despise how GoS had reskinned armor and not unique armor. The black garden has some cool designs they could have incorporated into armor. Hell, I’d even take pyramidion armor where it looks like we are wearing the pyramid ships themselves, given what happens at the end.
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for some reason they switched the raid armor to the season pass
@@ilredelnulla9837 source?
Vog and crota also have reskinned armor but okay
@@ontos8914 those at least have the excuse of being destiny’s first two raids. By the time GoS came out, we’ve had KF, WOTM, leviathan, and CoS, all raids that feature unique armor that is not reskins.
“Eater of worlds armour is perfect for my titan.”: *shows Leviathan armour*
I’d say last wish and salvation’s edge are very interchangeable personally, which is great because honestly I never thought we’d get something on last wish’s level again. My only real complaint with salvation’s edge is just the lack of a third boss. If the raid had say a dual subjugator boss fight where they were as active and dangerous as rhulk it would be pure perfection, but as it sits I’m still very satisfied. Vow is still my personal favorite though followed closely by scourge. Rhulk is my goat.
Salvations edge already has the most encounters and the mechanics of each encounter felt refreshing to me but having a boss encounter isn't necessarily better than not having a boss encounter. For example, the 4th encounter is one of my favorites out of any raid and it does it with mostly add clear (as far as damage is concerned).
@@hotinc.9339 I don’t necessarily disagree but if I’m being honest 3rd encounter could stand to be replaced with a boss, or at least something different. It’s definitely the weakest encounter in the raid from a design perspective and imo doesn’t really add much beyond just introducing another shape.
I hoping most of the raids that got sunsetted do get some remasters or reworks and then be implemented back into the game. Also, I hope the current raids like Garden of Salvation gets some updates to its loot pool like how Deep Stone and Last Wish got
I will die on the hill that Root of Nightmares is the perfect introduction Raid for new players. Also the loot is great.
The armor you showed for EoW was the armor from Leviathin
Last Wish is Number 1.
Each encounter was unique. No real overlap. Everything stays fresh.
Best final boss fight in history and it's not even close imo.
Salvation's Edge:
Encounter 2 should have been a two subjugator bosses in the pit- strand and stasis forcing groups to split into two teams on DPS.
Encounter 3 was a huge waste and should have been a scrapped for different encounter entirely.
Everything else is perfect imo.
One thing you gotta give Crown is the Hunter helmet is one of the drippiest helmets in the game.
Gonna be honest, I know the community is in a honeymoon phase with Salvation’s edge, but once the ends I don’t see that raid staying top 3. It’s mainly because of the first half, especially encounter 2 & 3 which are easily some of the most forgettable raid encounters in the franchise.
Yup. This is the take I’ve been coming to terms with
Where would you put it though
I love encounter 2 but I can agree with you on encounter 3 being a little forgettable
wtf? I love the herald fight!
I think it’s fun as like a campaign conclusion and everything but it lacks that WOW moment for me that a lot of the other raids have. No Siege Engine, Space Walk with Deep Stone Lullaby, Leviathan Underbelly, Pyramid Traversal of Vow, Black Garden windmills, etc. it feels like it was designed as a major challenge and a fight to the end with mechanics and everything but it just lacks the moments I show to my non-Destiny friends to be like “look how cool this is!” I think in a year or so the raid will likely drop in rankings once we’re out of the Final Shape / Witness honeymoon era and it’s no longer our big threat. Definitely a top 10 but I don’t feel it’s a top 5 if that makes sense.
Where’s my garden gang at? We may be small but by god we try anyway
Garden of salvation unironically most fun raid. Tether mechanic is prob the best mechanic out of every raid. Problem is that they decided to make picking up gambit motes more important than the genuinely fun and new tether mechanic that required actual coordination with other players.
If they just made tether more important in 2nd, 3rd and final encounter it'd be top tier. Also black garden is hands down the best location in all of destiny (PERSONALLY)
Conceptually its my favorite raid, and its the one I know the least about, I basically got my div and never ran it again, but I've been going back and getting all the raid seals, so I cant wait to play it more :)
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Wrath might be my number 1 but Garden is definitely on my top 5.
GARDEN is one of the best raids EVER!!! Every encounter is different and the boss is beefy. The art is AMAZING too. Crown rated higher than GOS might be an ACTUAL CRIME.
Crown is much better than Garden, the loot sucks and its bosses are just very big enemies
@@kyledea187mdkjr5At least it’s two different bosses in Garden and not just Gahlran Jr. and Gahlran Sr. Also lets not forget that Crown’s bosses are just a very big and normal sized Ceremonial Bather from Leviathan. Garden’s bosses are the only two Vex in the series to be made out of stone.
The only thing salvation’s edge did wrong was have underwhelming and boring armor that looks weird
Like every new raid since leviathan? Idk, they all look weird.
@@mylittledota4653 DSC has some the coolest armor if you ignore the helmet
@@FadedMaple07 I'd also argue that Titan raid sets have looked decent across many raids. Last Wish, Vow, Ron (Though the armor shades horribly which is why nobody uses it because why does it shade differently from every other armor? Even pyrogale which is an exotic version of the armor set shades normally), even the new Titan set is okay unlike the other 2.
he just violated crota's end remastered but i can see the chalice timer beign annoying for some people
Considering most of the raid is waiting for a timer, yes it’s pretty shabby.
I still think Garden's mechanics are head and shoulders above a lot of raids you ranked higher.
The loot is good, not great, but the experience and div quest are just awesome
Salvation’s Edge is definitely not high on replay-ability as an LFG player.
It's not very replayable with a team either. None of my friends want to run it. I don't understand why the entire raid is very hard except for the final encounter with the biggest bad which is.. easy? The balancing is so wack
@@Harrison-zc3hu plus with Excission, the Witness killing is not as fresh.
Neither is last wish,
I think the fact LW has 4 bosses vs SE 2 makes up for the aging of the raid. I also really just like the dreaming city playspace more than the one we got for SE. But those 2 are for sure 1 and 2
Bro eater of worlds was a raid lair, is unfair to compare it to full raid 😂
GoS being way lower than leviathan is just criminal.
Wow… I did NOT expect to disagree with this video as much as I did. Would have to replay the D1 Raids to get a real grip on it but dang. Only one I will say is I freaking love GoS lol. Great video as always though.
Garden had a lot of hate but the hate for the raid has begun disappearing because the things that made it bad are mostly gone. When it came out it was buggy and barely playable and the divinity runs made many hate it but now most people see it as a decent raid not the best but not the worst. His rankings however seem more difficulty based rather than quality I mean Spire is one of the lowest quality raids in Destiny history having even less quality than the first d1 raids it didn't even have proper loot being just re-skins and only being 2 legendary weapons. It only had difficulty and that's why I think this is difficulty over quality.
For me, kings fall has a special place in my heart, I remember watching my brother beat it and we were so happy jumping up and down, I also love the boss battles in it, and I love oryx as a villain, for me, it is the greatest raid, but also great ranking!
LW will forever be my #1, I don't care how many people disagree. LW was the most impactful raid I had ever been a part of.
Zip last wishes pants up when you are done over there buddy
It's a good raid but my god is it overrated
@@oxsila You probably have never done Riven Legit
Salvations edge as #1 is a tough call. Considering its only been out for a very short time and has already been speed ran in 25 mins is kinda crazy
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I’d like them to bring back vaulted raids. Never did Spire and Crown, and I miss my Leviathan and Scourge.
Seeing the original d1 kingsfall gameplay hit a special piece of nostalgia for me. It was when destiny was still kinda new and mysterious, the k8ngs fall raid and all off ttk were awesome to me. It also just so happened to be right when rick and morty launched as well and I would usually think of one when playing or watching the other.
Salvation's Edge is a fantastic raid, but I think Last Wish deserves to be #1 instead for the simple fact that Riven doesn't limit what builds you can run while the Witness pretty much locks out an entire class (though, this has more to do with Titans being powercrept into a state of crisis.)
Salvations edge could really use a 3rd boss fight. I know they seem to he switched to 2/3 encounters and 2 boss fights but man.. another rhulk or nezarec-esque encounter in salvatioms edge would be incredible.
Saying they're locked out of DPS is completely ridiculous melodrama. Guns are 90% of what matters for DPS. No need for quirky shit either, just throw on Scintillation or Doomed Petitioner and you're literally fine. Still Hunt Celestial is higher damage but you're 2 phasing either way.
Im all for reevaluating Titans identity, but this whole "Titans are unplayable for everything" shit is annoying melodrama
@@PorcuDuckSlug Agreed for most things, in normal raids/gms this is a generally true thought. But as someone who frequently does master/low man raids, and after seeing each titan on my day 1 team get forced to switch because they didn't have enough damage, I have to disagree. Even as a warlock, whenever I do master raids or low mans, no matter how good they are, I always see titans struggling more at dps, obviously you wont see it in easier shit, but its noticeable.
@@PorcuDuckSlug I didn't say that they were unplayable for everything, I said that they're effectively locked out of the Witness bossfight. The two most damaging Titan supers can't be used on the boss, meaning their supers are relegated to just ad-clear when that's already on lockdown because of the fact that the Heavy slot isn't necessary for damage. Furthermore, that 10% a Super can contribute can be the difference between wiping due to insufficient damage and killing the boss, and when Titans are already forced to do subpar damage thanks to having to use Linears they need all the options they can get to keep up with the rest of the team while they themselves really don't bring anything to the table.
@@EepyGirlLava SE is the ONLY raid titans struggle with, every other raid has tons of solo content with titans
Starforge logo looks like something else😂😂😂 1:28
I feel like garden gets way to much hate for no reason, i think its mainly because of it coming right off of forsaken and then took so long until dsc
Mechanics are weird and don't work sometimes.
@@mylittledota4653 mechanics work fine you just aren't good at doing them
The fact that Crown and Spire of Stars are ranked higher than Garden of Salvation is criminal.
Crown was fun but spire should be ranked 19.. like it’s that bad
@@JBreezy_ Spire was the absolute worst of the worst. I hated the visuals of Crown, it looked like everything was covered in shit but the final boss fight was indeed fun.
No gos is just worse compared to sos and cos
@@hallfed Who would've though evans viewers are also as dumb as he is
@@hallfed Garden is just kinda boring, one of the prettiest raids they've ever made though imo. But Vex are just kinda.. meh, never been a fan of them.
I think Vow is the top spot for me. Each encounter is perfect. Caretaker and especially Rkulk are incredible boss designs. The atmosphere is amazing. I think people forget since it’s so common now, but Vow was one of the first times we entered a pyramid and experienced the pyramid aesthetic. The loot is great. Forbearance needs no introduction. Collective Obligation is unique. Vow is also where Bait and Switch was introduced which has still shaped the meta to this day.
The main reason (above others) that Last Wish clears Edge is that every encounter is far more memorable. Like without looking it up, what is the first encounter of Edge called? Because everyone knows what the first of LW is. And everyone says Edge is better because of Verity but that is so different than the rest of the raid, it may as well have been pulled from a completely different raid.
Well Kali can be farmed solo with glitch, then you can use the Wishwall & get the bonus chest. That means you get 2 easy guns per week.
There is no need to do other encounters & there is definitely no need to do Riven once you have 1000 Voices exotic.
IMO evan places too much emphasis on the day 1 experience.
I've the same top 5 (minus Wrath bc I didnt play it; so KF in its place) but I have Salvedge at #2 and LW for #1 (razer thin difference) only bc Witness feels mechanically simple.
Good list. While I may not entirely agree with some, your points and opinions on why things are where they are is well laid out. That armor set you show in the video for titan during Eater of Worlds was the set from Leviathan. Titan set from Eater was the Nohr Suit.
Salvation edge is a good raid but i don’t think deserves to be #1? Only two bosses, 3rd encounter fills a like a filler where last wish has everything
Wrath of the machine holds a special place in my heart, it's in my top 3 definitely, It was my very first raid that I started and completed with the same fireteam (due to my personal life I never had the chance to play the previous ones in the right way, VOG and Crota loot was not updated with the actual power level so wasn't worth apart from the pleasure of doing them, and I played King's fall in chunks, every encounter with a different team), I loved the encounters, I loved all the bosses, I FUCKING LOVED THE SCORE (the tune that plays during the wipe mechanic still haunts my dreams and everyone who played that raid knows exactly what I'm talking about), I will never forget the feeling to having finally made it.
Last Wish and Salvation Edge at top shit as of today, but WOTM is the GOAT in my heart.
Out here repping GoS as my favorite raid still lol.
Og kings fall under both vog releases, leviathan, spire, and scourge is crazy to me.
Saying d1 vog has replay ability is laughable when you literally say it’s boring 2 minutes later
Vow as a raid, raw pound for pound from an outsider perspective should be #1 EASY
Having spires as high as you do is nasty 😂
You are like a whole separate community I've never encountered because so many of us don't raid
Vow is and will forever be my favorite raid. It’s the first real raid experience that I had, and my first low man experience (which led to 3 manning every raid currently in the game along with Pantheon). The loot was great at the time (still okay but not the greatest). But I really love every encounter. It’s fun to just chaos the entire raid.
ron has far better loot than crota. ron has conditional finality which is a METAH wepon, and all of the other loot from ron is decent. crota has the worst loot in a raid ever and it is my least favourite raid. even ron is more fun to run.
Still think the majority of RON was supposed to be a dungeon
To this day, Argos is one of my favorite 2-part boss fights- the skybox looks amazing and the fight is pretty dynamic.
I will say I do agree w sweat that last wish is best bc all encounters are boss encounters and I feel like salvations edge could've rly benefited more if it had more or was primarily boss encounters
I thought Ron was at least great for me, i wanted to day one a raid and RON was the first time ive witnessed a day one raid really, even after like 5 years of playing d2, i felt like it was the first raid to really inspire me to kind of just have fun in raids, even then it probably was the most easiest day one raid, i still felt accomplished that i did it day one.
DSC is #1. Objectively. Fite me.
In Salvation's Edge: we spawn inside the Witness' tower, climb it while solving random shape-themed puzzles, then we beat the Witness.
The story packed into DSC, on the other hand, is too much for me to summarize without writing multiple paragraphs. Every encounter happens for a reason, and every traversal section is iconic.
I wont fight you, i agree with you. DSC has the best raid music by far.
However but i will also say Vow is also close, could be #1 as well, even though i only remember 2 tracks now which are First Disciple (rhulk theme) and Harvest (Darkness Scorn theme, plays around the hectic 3rd encounter).
4:47 black spindle was d1 whisper
14:47 we kind of have the d1 year one system at least in the sense that every item has a level or light level and in order to reach max level you need every item to be max level.
DSC in top 5 makes me happy. Thats my personal favorite raid, that shouldn't be number 1 but is because nostalgia. Incredible loot, music, design, and its fallen enemies which is always a fun time. The next 3 are hard to choose. I really like Salvations edge, Vow, and Last Wish. I think if I had a gun to my head it would be that order: DSC, SE, Vow, LW. I didn't play Destiny until Beyond Light so I never played the old D2 or D1 raids.
I've played every raid at this point from D1 to D2 and I would put DSC at #1 because it's as close to a perfect raid as exists for the average player. The mechanics are a nice medium complexity that actually get people involved. The loot is some of the best looking ever in destiny and especially perks wise. Like even Bequest is still unbeaten in sword dps. The armor alllooks fantastic to. And the music... enough said. Also the lore that it added for Clovis Bray is just so so good.
@@oxsila The difficulty is perfect for newer/casual players. Its a great first raid. I mean RoN is a good first raid to drag someone through but DSC is a good first raid to have someone do mechanics in.
Wrath with forever be my favorite
Salvations edge is hard because of the teamwork part of it. I honestly think it’s a raid (with the right team) you can successfully do the way it is intended underleveled. This raid is NOT an LFG raid, specifically for the rescuing gaurdian part in encounter 4, there’s no bad guys, just call outs, and when it’s a bunch of strangers…. Good fuckin luck
Salvations edge is hard because of the teamwork part of it. I honestly think it’s a raid (with the right team) you can successfully do the way it is intended underleveled. This raid is NOT an LFG raid, specifically for the rescuing gaurdian part in encounter 4, there’s no bad guys, just call outs, and when it’s a bunch of strangers…. Good fuckin luck
Spire of Turds is dead last for me. I absolutely cannot stand that raid.
I really like RoN but it definitely deserves to be ranked below most raids
Having been at least 10 years of following Destiny content I haven’t actually touched any Raids yet because I don’t have friends
Let’s be honest second half of CoS was some of the best high intensity action destiny has ever done. I am not a puzzle guy so I prefer action instead of solve this. So my opinion is probably far off from the res of the community but I have had a pretty bad experience with SE. the timing is too tight without a clan team. People quit way to quick and are just unwilling to adjust their playstyle for the raid. Last wish #1.
Very solid ranking apart from number one. I just can't justify calling a raid where 1/3 of the playable classes are essentially useless "the best" in any way.
Last Wish is still my #1
Vow will always be my number one. My favorite day one experience to this day, even though I didn't finish it.
“Why are we travelling away from the main story of the game” going to neomuna is the main story to stop the witness getting the veil
Yea, but it didn't feel that way initially. We didn't even get a full explanation of what the Veil was until well after the campaign. If not for the final cutscene of the Witness entering the Traveler, it could have been easily confused for a side story.
@@sandman1008 Sadly this is the issue with removing seasonal content. We learnt Neomuna was housing something important in Season of the plunder and learn what it is that's on Neomuna like directly at the end of Seraph but we're too busy with the station to deal with it. But now that the seasons are gone this is cut and now you just have some weird moment where we somehow know a bit of the veil and that it's on Neomuna before we go there.
For those hoping for a wrath of the machine remake, and say that they wont because of the Siva assets. The husk new dread enemy has a VERY similar feel to one of the more major aspects of Siva fallen. Coding that to be a little different + a change of style would not be that difficult i think. SO THERE IS HOPE
I love Garden, but I gotta agree on some point here
Once you have a team that knows how things work and can do it it's wonderful. If not, well...
Crota remaster. Good raid, way to boring for my ass.
Vow is the reason I want Pantheon back. Caretaker and Rhulk were just so good on their own, but damn, without Pantheon they just feel way to easy
Wrath of the machine is my goat🐐
I remember being in the race with my lfg on eater of worlds. We where behind by like 20 minutes, but after they beat it we kinda lost motivaation and for half us it was middlle of the night.
Are you going to make the WOW players trying the destiny raids you mentioned on the side into a video? I would love to see that
yeah! It's a big time commitment but im excited for it!
Honestly, your Top 5 aligns with mine. For awhile, Deep Stone was everything. Every single week my clan was in there doing mutliple runs. We mastered that raid. And yeah, it's so very tragic that Wrath of the Machine hasn't been remade for D2 yet.
I’m so glad salvations edge is at the top since I have yet to do it
3:43 that is def not the EoW set, you silly goose
If they bring back wrath, i could see house dusk or house salvation will replace the siva fallen
Wrath or Edge is my guess on #1 let’s see if I’m right!
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Wrath will always be my number 1 even though it's only drawbacks is the loot imo since apart from ex machina the rest is mid and the heavy weapons is a joke. It has the best raid armour and it's not even close and the best raid soundtrack and possibly the best soundtrack oat and I could never get bored unlike salvations I just find it so boring it's not even in my top 5 it's probably like 7
Titan titan armor at 3:40 was from normal Leviathan. I have it, never did the raid lairs after.
Yeah that was a weird mistake
TLW and final shape do not belong in the top 2. You ranked vow that high even with the connection issues but scourge so low when the only issue was a cyber attack. Wrath not top 3.
its realy to early for salvations edge in a tier list. people are hyped. but this raid gets boring realy fast. plates. and a retarded timer.
the timer is the best part about it. But i agree the plate mechanic is neither innovative or enjoyable to do
@@RealSwiggs i realy dont like timers. Its not hard. Lazy try to Do something difficult
Salvation’s edge is a bad raid the loot sucks for the difficulty besides the exotic there is no reason to do this raid unless your going for the exotic honestly every raid besides garden would be a better use of your time do not do this raid
You almost never see anyone use any of the weapons from this raid unless it’s the exotic
@@Da_man_dev Because most people don't have the god rolls yet? Most raid weapons aren't common because you need the god roll and 2. Not many people do the raids. If I remember correctly currently under 5% of active players have even beaten the raid who knows how many have a semi decent roll. The only weapon in the loot pool that's bad is the sword and it's because of it being a sword.
I'm agreed with you this raid is really bad wrath of the machine must be top 1
I am personally biased towards Wrath, I remember pulling and all nighter and blind running everything. The outbreak puzzle was so cool and the final boss room was probably the coolest set pieces I've ever seen
You should do that world of Warcraft thing but with Verity. See how long it takes them to figure out Verity
They did bring back outbreak prefected so i hope they bring back warth i only did the first boss got the fusion rifle and legs for my hunter. I love rise of iron and love siva
There is no universe where Spire of Stars is top 50%
I think it’s interesting how much the loot effects people’s opinion on a raid. I play raids for fun and could honestly care less what rewards I get. Bungie could even make a raid that doesn’t reward anything but if its fun you know I’ll be in there running it all the time
for me salvations edge only has 2 good encounters and thats Verity and Witness, the 1st 3 are pretty boring, I wish the Witness moved more and you did more for DPS other than just move around in a small sitting
11 minutes and 15 seconds into the video and you have used the word “divisive” 4 times, cmon.
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day 1 experience shouldn't be consider as the factor for ranking because it's not everybody have a chance to try it from many reasons like don't have a team, don't even know about destiny when day 1 raid was start. day 1 raid is only a place for tryhards that's very small percent of the game
I feel like if your rankings were based on story and community gathering instead of Streaming progress and loot (which only so many people actually care about) then this list would significantly different. I think the best streamers for Destiny (like You and others) have to start listing things from an overall perspective and not a competitive streamer perspective
as a speedrun raid, ron is definitely at the top for me
My list
1. Last Wish
2. VOW
3. King's Fall Revamped
4. WOTM
5. Crown of Sorrow
6. SOTP
7. VOG revamped
8. DSC
9. GOS
10. CE revamped
11. EOW
12. RON
13. LEVI
14. SOS
Haven't done Salvations Edge yet, but based on what I've seen it can possibly be in my top 5. Also, not including D1 Raids other than Wrath because their Remastered versions are better.
To be the best Destiny raid, I feel that the raid needs to hit the optimal balance of difficulty, mechanics, and accessibility.
It needs to be a hard fight, not just a push-over. No "just stand here and damage the boss" fights.
It needs to have puzzles that have moving parts that you cannot just bypass with burst DPS.
And it really should be playable by everyone in the community. No elitist "git gud, or git gone" attitude.
And so, with all that - challenge, mechanics, but accessible to almost all players of all skill - Vow of the Disciple is the best raid.
I d put Salvations in my Top 3 but not 1. Encounter 1,4 and 5 are great the way they are. 2 I would have prefered a character buildup for the Boss during the campaign cause it felt weird to just have a random Boss enemy that looks like Taniks. The 3rd encounter feels just boring to me, its just the same as 1 and 2 but combined, have us dmg a Boss at the end of each room for a total of 3 dps Phases, sort of like Caretaker (ofc it couldnt be the tankiest boss cause of the tormentors and subjugators we have to kill due to ammo restrictions). A 3rd Boss fight would have completed the thing for me and set it on 1 undoubtedly.
Good list but I’d put garden and crown way higher, I really don’t get why everyone hates them. They both have creative and fun mechanics (once the bugs in garden got fixed). I think the reason most hate them is cause the mechanics require EVERYONE to participate, no brainless ad clear and that makes it incredibly frustrating for lfg. Also vog is at the bottom, argue with the wall
Salvations Edge is a decent raid and all but it has large flaws. For one, the first 3 encounters are all almost the exact same thing over & over.
The jumping puzzles are needlessly long & boring. They also feel like they were designed with sword skating or grapple in mind & take forever if you're doing them legit.
Also the loot is all mediocre. Definitely not the best raid in my opinion. Not even close