Not fixin a talent for 7 months in a sub based game is preposterous,reminds me it took em a year to fix the force choke pvp talent on dh durin shadowlands
As a newer DH player I gotta say your videos are SUPER helpful dude. Thank you so much for the effort you put into these! Btw do you by chance have a link to your WA that you're using?
@@chrismartyniuk5725 it’s like 12% assuming Burning blades not working with annihilation is fixed (and reavers glaive gcd is hasted) Lots of assumptions but it’s still pretty far behind
First expac since I've came back that I'm honestly not excited for it to start! They've destroyed DH and when as shitty as the hunter changes have been is still better, AR isn't remotely appealing to play! And they are making Fel scarred literally unplayable as havoc!
@@Idkidkidkidk456 "most of DF" havoc was terrible to play. S1 and S2 were pre-rework momentum builds. S3 and S4 were propped up by the S3 tier set reducing hunt CDR and granting free throw glaives. If your definition of "the same" is now having to manually press an unsatisfying filler button, play vacuum cleaner with souls, and have a buff/debuff management simulator then our definitions of the same are not.
dont get me wrong. i played it to like 3.2k every season since shadowlands while hating the playstyle und then swap to something else for pushing. Imo the class is horrible since shadowlands. I hated the venthyr playstyle, i hate the fucking movement c shit we played in dragonflight. I love the class for fantasy and looks but already accepted that they will not design the spec for how u like it so tww s1 will probably the first time for ages i will not even touch it. At this point the spec is so far from what i enjoy i lost all hope for it
@@blackopsy9 dont get me wrong. i didnt say it played good 😂 i played it to like 3.2k every season since shadowlands while hating the playstyle und then swap to something else for pushing. Imo the class is horrible since shadowlands. I hated the venthyr playstyle, i hate the fucking movement c shit we played in dragonflight. I love the class for fantasy and looks but already accepted that they will not design the spec for how u like it so tww s1 will probably the first time for ages i will not even touch it. At this point the spec is so far from what i enjoy i lost all hope for it
@@이재윤-d1j with lust and the haste level we want to get you can fit 2 DS into EssB anyways, + reset chance from the tier set, where it’s not worth the damage loss of meta during it. Outside of the opener we still do EssB DS meta DS
its kind of insane that the burst in the no mover opener hit p much the same dam as the burst from the mover build which is literally built around essence break burst : ^ ). Also they are back to hating fel-scarred.
Why are we taking AMN in AR_NO_AFI? We're dumping most of the Immo talents, and you're saying most of the damage is already CS/Anni + BD/DS and RG is physical damage so it only matters for Soulscar. What is AMN benefitting?
@@MSalem7777 Sof/immo/demon blades/the hunt/Elysian decree It’s still significantly better than basically any other single point talent in the tree since we like mastery so much.
@@VooDooSaurus I'm just looking at 5:10 and it has me wondering if doing AR_Inertia_SD wouldn't be viable because of more uptime on Demon Form with Anni spam? In both your AR_SD and AR_No_AFI builds, the stuff you mention makes up about 25-30%. Supposing cutting AMN takes that down by around 30% (especially with early season gear), I'm thinking an AR_Inertia_SD build might be close and more fun
The mark bug with multiple DH’s has been fixed sometime between the recording of this video and me making this comment.
Thank you vodoo!
i am just back again to WOW and so much different. thanks for your explanation and guide. help me a lot
Not fixin a talent for 7 months in a sub based game is preposterous,reminds me it took em a year to fix the force choke pvp talent on dh durin shadowlands
Actual disgusting the way they have done DH this launch
My gear score is 606 and i keep getting kicked from boss fights, its why im here
As a newer DH player I gotta say your videos are SUPER helpful dude. Thank you so much for the effort you put into these! Btw do you by chance have a link to your WA that you're using?
@@Dr1ppuh appreciate it! For beta I’ve been using this WA (it’s what you see here) wago.io/EbDz1JkI4
On retail I use Atrocity UI
Stop calling it no mover when it still plays initiative.
@@atrop19 no
How did they manage to ruin such a fun class?
@VooDooSaurus
Is fel scarred still 17% behind as mentioned here or has that changed?
@@chrismartyniuk5725 it’s like 12% assuming Burning blades not working with annihilation is fixed (and reavers glaive gcd is hasted)
Lots of assumptions but it’s still pretty far behind
how can they ship something thats 17% less dmg lmao
@@user32352 only way I can think is that FS is intended to be an aoe option? But I have no idea, and FS is even oversimming currently
I think im gonna play frost dk until havoc feels more fun, and havoc will be my alt untill then.
why the 2 annhi/chaos strikes in a row?
@@bpredden BD resets but also just waiting for BD to come off cd. I think we’ve optimized a bit more since then tho
First expac since I've came back that I'm honestly not excited for it to start! They've destroyed DH and when as shitty as the hunter changes have been is still better, AR isn't remotely appealing to play! And they are making Fel scarred literally unplayable as havoc!
i mean it playes the same as most of df^^ they just didnt bring anything cool
@@Idkidkidkidk456 "most of DF" havoc was terrible to play. S1 and S2 were pre-rework momentum builds. S3 and S4 were propped up by the S3 tier set reducing hunt CDR and granting free throw glaives. If your definition of "the same" is now having to manually press an unsatisfying filler button, play vacuum cleaner with souls, and have a buff/debuff management simulator then our definitions of the same are not.
Yeah it's pretty bad that our class feels worse going into TWW than it did with DF... especially with hero talents
dont get me wrong. i played it to like 3.2k every season since shadowlands while hating the playstyle und then swap to something else for pushing. Imo the class is horrible since shadowlands. I hated the venthyr playstyle, i hate the fucking movement c shit we played in dragonflight. I love the class for fantasy and looks but already accepted that they will not design the spec for how u like it so tww s1 will probably the first time for ages i will not even touch it. At this point the spec is so far from what i enjoy i lost all hope for it
@@blackopsy9 dont get me wrong. i didnt say it played good 😂 i played it to like 3.2k every season since shadowlands while hating the playstyle und then swap to something else for pushing. Imo the class is horrible since shadowlands. I hated the venthyr playstyle, i hate the fucking movement c shit we played in dragonflight. I love the class for fantasy and looks but already accepted that they will not design the spec for how u like it so tww s1 will probably the first time for ages i will not even touch it. At this point the spec is so far from what i enjoy i lost all hope for it
way too complicated for me lol
9:11 wtf is that opener
Why don't we use EssB-DS-META-DS in the opener? I can't understand
@@이재윤-d1j with lust and the haste level we want to get you can fit 2 DS into EssB anyways, + reset chance from the tier set, where it’s not worth the damage loss of meta during it. Outside of the opener we still do EssB DS meta DS
Are there already lists existing, which gear, crafted gear, embelishments and consumables are BiS?
no but there will be before the raid starts
its kind of insane that the burst in the no mover opener hit p much the same dam as the burst from the mover build which is literally built around essence break burst : ^ ). Also they are back to hating fel-scarred.
@@seanpowley3642 the burst isn’t super different but no mover gets a LOT flatter after
Do we just drop a point in Erratic Felheart for darkness if needed for raid builds?
yup, can drop both for shorter cd/longer dark if you need as well
For mythic + do you think no mover will be competitive or will the inertia build take ahead aoe by more than 20%
i don't think it'll be competitive in m+ but if you aren't pushing super high keys and want to play no mover it'll be fine
Heya, do you think that the mover build wil do more dps st in raid than the no mover build?
@@Kyller1981 most likely it’ll depend on the boss fight. The two of them will probably be pretty close on average though
I suspect that with the power to focus a secondary stats, like mastery, we will see fel scared hold up to AR
@@MrDmension3d AR scales just as well with mastery as fel-scarred. It’s not going to be anywhere near enough for a 20% difference
14:33 does the bug with reavers mark extend to vengeance as well i.e. 1 havoc 1 veng?
@@blackopsy9 no but the bug got fixed as of like midnight last night
is Fs inertia still viable option for high keys after the priority dmg nerf
its never really been a viable option for high keys. only if you're chain pulling large pulls and dont need boss damage
I get the feeling you do not enjoy pressing a singular button :d
I prefer a more nuanced rotation, but i also just dont really need to talk about it a ton since its just one button so i skip over it on videos
Bro neopets!?????????????????????????? wtf lol
@@Obsidian0Sky deep cut
Why are we taking AMN in AR_NO_AFI? We're dumping most of the Immo talents, and you're saying most of the damage is already CS/Anni + BD/DS and RG is physical damage so it only matters for Soulscar. What is AMN benefitting?
@@MSalem7777 Sof/immo/demon blades/the hunt/Elysian decree
It’s still significantly better than basically any other single point talent in the tree since we like mastery so much.
@@VooDooSaurus I'm just looking at 5:10 and it has me wondering if doing AR_Inertia_SD wouldn't be viable because of more uptime on Demon Form with Anni spam? In both your AR_SD and AR_No_AFI builds, the stuff you mention makes up about 25-30%. Supposing cutting AMN takes that down by around 30% (especially with early season gear), I'm thinking an AR_Inertia_SD build might be close and more fun
@@MSalem7777 it’s not, SD and inertia just don’t work very well together, and you have to lose valuable points elsewhere to take inertia
USE ME AS A I WANT FEL SCARRED AND LESS BINDS BUTTON