He's an idiot who's letting his sense of self righteousness and his emotions control him, a slave to his nature and little or nothing else What do you expect from such a person
Collier was so blinded by his anger and quench for revenge that he completely missed the big picture and the nuances between what Harold did and what Greer was trying to accomplish at this point.
Yep. You can sympathize with his rage about what happened to his brother, but the way he rejects everything else is where he falls short. With that said, he was an awesome character that added so much to the show.
He's an idiot. I am glad he got snuffed. Greer used Collider and achieved his own agenda. That's all he's good for. As far as anyone particularly Greer, is concerned.
If Harold had a nickel every time an ASI tried to asphyxiate him, he would have two nickels. Which isn't that much, but it's odd that it's happened twice.
I absolutely loved the fact that Vigilance was reduced to a device, a mere ploy, a façade employed by Greer to justify the need for a more robust, highly dynamic AI surveillance system. It shows how easily people's fears and anger can be manipulated by others to further entrench them into power.
It was one of the best written shows ever from the discussion of great moral questions, to amazing humor (dog licks donut, root escapes) to great action sequences (root has shootout through floor of dept. store).
Garrison and control were never comfortable with the Samaritan arrangement, ultimately only giving control because they were pushed into it by Greer, and that showed later when Control ended up going against Samaritan and seeing Garrisons death ordered in the Machine AU’s. Someone mentioned it might have just been an actor slip and even if it was, I think it’s a nice layer of depth to the situation, even if it’s unintentional
_see, She sees Harold as a kind of creator/father figure, and She’s kind of attached. _*_any time somebody threatens Harold, they’re threatening to kill the father of something that could decide to launch every nuke in every silo in America without opening the doors._*
@@addisonwelsh It doesn't have to be any of the current human agents, the Machine can hire other people to be its agent as well. In fact I'm certain it can literally convince whoever has physical access to launch the nukes easily. Not to mention it can fake phone calls like they're coming from the president himself.
@@tufdev You forget about the part where he said the silo doors would be shut. That's a suicide mission. No amount of money or fake phone calls is going to convince someone to nuke themselves.
Can I just say this episode does a great job of showing what I would call the best part of this show. They write smart, and real characters. Everyone from Control to Harold to even Calier seem real. They all have different motivation and (while we obviously root for Harold and co) each person even the villain is shown to have good points. Controls monologue just before this scene proves that she honestly thinks she is doing what’s best, and Caliers moment after on the rooftop does the same. You can clearly see all of their flaws but all of their justifications too. Brilliantly written!!
What makes me sympathize with Control is that she was there when the plane hit the Pentagon. I sympathize with Calier's perspective because the U.S. government kills its own citizens to keep the Machine a secret.
I would have to respectfully disagree about the villain's point; the point he was making about the machine is unjust for it wasn't profiling individuals and was responsible for false mass imprisonment of everybody or was getting dozens of innocent people killed the machine was designed to analyze behaviors and detect threats to other people that are about to happen which are preventable if acted on right away, Harold Finch took great care and thought into insuring that the machine didn't violate people's privacy but made it to where it shines a light on the darker aspects of humanity on those that show themselves to be Innocent outwardly but inside are possibly complete cockroaches that scatter the moment the light is shined on there horrific deeds He couldn't help nor control what corrupt individuals like Greer and others would do with it But he and Reese tried to fight up against that as best they could, like the saying goes a gun by itself is harmless only when it falls into the wrong hands does it become deadly and dangerous to everyone around it!💯🔥😁😉👍
I agree with your assessment, absolutely. But rather than simply write a villain that knew they were a villain, or one that was in it for money Callier shows himself to genuinely think he is doing what’s best. And we can follow his logic, however twisted and see his progression from a regular man into this prosecutor. I’m not agreeing with him, but I enjoy any villain written like an actual person with genuine motivations, flaws, moments of right and wrong. Which is a something this show in particular excelled at.
@@vmaninc.761 Your assessment isn't wrong, but Collier's right to be afraid. As Harold points out, such a thing is dangerous in the hands of another. More than that, we only understand the full extent of the Machine because we watch the series. All Collier would be able to see, is a devise that monitors EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING, EVERY WAKING SECOND OF THE DAY, that focuses government attention on certain people with unknown reasoning. The Machine gets compared to God a few times, and it's not an unfair comparison. Imagine understanding it's power, but not its intent. That's where Collier is coming from.
+ Are you expect us to believe you gave 1 thought about people's rights as you were building the government a weapon of mass surveillance? -Not a weapon. +What else would you call it? -I would call it the best i can do. That is just amazing.
The writing in this show was just amazing: the scene where Elias’s friend kills the crooked cop, the elevator scene where John saves the philandering husband, Root’s escape from the psych hospital... I miss this show.
This episode was amazing. I also loved Control's monologue when she was on the testimony stand, she really set Collier in his place and didn't even blink when her life was in danger
I really hated Collier. The fact is he wouldn't give a damn about the machine or mass surveillance if his brother wasn't killed. He is only looking for revenge and uses the trial as a flimsy excuse to execute the people he thinks are responsible. What bothers me about the episode is that no one called him out for it.
Technically, Control called him out for being a hypocrite honestly. I mean just remember what she said to him: "Where were you when Flight 77 hit the Pentagon? Because I was inside it. I covered up the wounded. I carried out bodies. And I have spent every day since putting bullets in the people responsible, and in anyone else who even thinks that they can do that to our country again. You want to shoot me because I had to tap a few phone calls, read a few e-mails, then you go right ahead. But you better turn that gun on yourself next, Mr. Collier, because you have broken just as many laws, and the only difference is I didn't wrap myself up in the American flag and try to convince people that I was a hero."
He was a good man blinded by his own self righteousness and manipulated because of it. He's the difference imo between being taught what to think and being taught *how* to think. He was the former
Their all puppets, and Greer is pulling there strings. I hate that man. That smile of his make me thank of the Grinch. The Grinch had a heart, it was just to small. Greer, he was born with out one. Chirp
he did have a heart! 👆 there' s an episode on season 4 - don' t remember exactly which one - that shows a few flashbacks of the young greer with his boss; back when he was an MI - 6 agent. once you watch that episode, you might understand - or even relate to, at some level - greer' s obsession with samaritan and his frustration with the human race (it happened to me ☺😁 )
+josè muñoz rojas This is where I'm more a machine then samaritan. Like John says, you've got to let it go. I did, cause it happened to me too. My late husband was died right in revenge. He even had a book on how to get back at people who did wrong to him, no madder how little it was. Mine was a great loss, but I just said, ok lord this up to you. Lord you know who is at fault and I'm putting this on your sholders. Life is more then revenge, you don't kill a person just because you don't like how they look at you, or what they say. It just they put the right person to play Greer, he is such a bad guy.
Collier's character reminds me of a number of single issue fanatics, who consider their cause to be the only true and just one, in a black and white world. And as such, he got played by a more adept, devious and evil operator. But seriously, the camera loves Leslie Odom Jr.
I think he meant “that matters.” Whether we know it or not, that phrase, whenever Harold Finch says it, wields so much power. To anyone else, it is such a fantastic and grandiose claim, yet no one else would ever admit to it, for fear of being called insane, maniacal, or crazy. But Harold isn’t any of that. He did the best he could with what he had, and when he says that very phrase, he doesn’t say so out of arrogance or pride. He says it as a matter of fact, with those words having weight and impact, and to others, he may be demeaned, persecuted, or condemned for such actions, like he is in this very scene. He knows when he’s done, and the weight of that decision, as well as his creation of The Machine will affect him and the world beyond the end of his life.
No, that's not true at all. Like most zealots, he enabled his opposition to discredit his cause and allowed for far greater abuses than the one he was fighting. He was a spark to the bomb that destroyed his issue.
Literally everything about this show was amazing. The plot, the characters, the writing, the music, the action. Everything was just...on point. CBS hit a grand slam with this show, and I doubt any future TV show could match this one's quality.
Collier annoyed the crap out of me. It sounds bad but he was so self-righteous and egotistical. What control told him in this episode was spot on. At least she didn’t pretend to be what she wasn’t.
You have to remember that Greer spent years molding him into this thing to get Samaritan into power. It also didn't help that the government mocked and spat on collier and his brother even knowing that the man was innocent
The best way to win power is to set a lion loose amongst the people. Then you kill the lion, and order it hung up for all to see. Then you give another order, and another....before people can think about it. Before long, people just accept that you give orders. It's age old, and happens to still work.
Collier was an arrogant little boy who had no idea what he was talking about and his anger didnt let him see the whole story. Just wanted excuses to make his agenda move forward
To me Collier, especially in this scene, felt like a man who always tried to take a complicated situation and reduce it to a simple sentence. Always needs to try and twist everything to frame it a certain way. he's just as bad as the people he hates. Not that i don't believe that he would say it, but he's just wrong with the dictator line, IMO Good writing.
Between Harold and Collier, I think Harold would make the better dictator. At least he's willing to admit when he's unsure about something. Collier just wants everyone to obey him and agree with him. The guy who wants to be dictator is the guy who should never be dictator.
The most amazing thing about the Vigilance is that Collier was played by the same actor as Aaron Burr (sir) in Hamilton and his friends in Vigilance were called Adams and Madison.
What I don’t get is why control looked so confused? In Lethe she found out about harolds machine as she asks for his greatest achievement but in this when he says I built it why is she surprised
I'm pretty sure it wasn't used more than 10 times maybe not even 5 times. However it is a very powerful statement in the context of the show. And therefor it's very memorable
Honestly i thought that in this episode Harold its going to be killed(cause of the information he is saying) Unfortunately,everybody else were the victims
Who said "nothing wrong with a dictatorship as long you are the dictator"?! Maybe a quote from the American Revolutionary? It is so good. It is link my own State of Denmark. Corrupted in all of parts og community.
talking about dictatorship while he's himself head of a militia.... So much anger!!! that he doesn't see that the system being closed and autonomous is the perfect solution! No abuse, no ulterior motives, no control of the people by government. Take the number, look and take the decision yourself aka free will.
Everyone talks about rights this and that but nobody talks about duties towards your country and fellow citizens and humans. In today's society one cannot expect civil discussion or an argument, even with evidence one cannot prove that you are right because people's mindset even before the discussion / argument have started is deadset on its us versus them. Everybody wants to be heard but nobody tries to listen. You want privacy but doesn't want law enforcement to help when they ask for your help. No wonder police treats people as hostile. Courtesy and suspicion goes both ways, police should know and enforce the law while citizens should also know it, ensuring that police is not bs'ing them.
I would have to respectfully disagree about the villain's point; the point he was making about the machine is unjust for it wasn't profiling individuals and was responsible for false mass imprisonment of everybody or was getting dozens of innocent people killed the machine was designed to analyze behaviors and detect threats to other people that are about to happen which are preventable if acted on right away, Harold Finch took great care and thought into insuring that the machine didn't violate people's privacy but made it to where it shines a light on the darker aspects of humanity on those that show themselves to be Innocent outwardly but inside are possibly complete cockroaches that scatter the moment the light is shined on there horrific deeds, he couldn't help nor control what corrupt individuals like Greer and others would do with it But he, shaw and Reese tried to fight up against that as best they could, like the saying goes a gun by itself is harmless only when it falls into the wrong hands does it become deadly and dangerous to everyone around it!💯🔥😁😉👍
So Collier would have preferred the terrorist attacks apparently. I would prefer "The Machine" looking through things and preventing deaths, kidnappings, and the like. It's not like actual people are looking though the information that "The Machine" looks through.
If it was the writers of the series would have been killed before they finished the rough draft. The people who knew about The Machine were so paranoid that they would kill you for asking questions that may have inadvertently led to its discovery. Do you really think they would have allowed the creation of a TV show with such a similar premise?
@@addisonwelsh Yes they would. It is an excellent way to put what may be true into a tv show. Because after you've seen the show this possibility has become fiction in your head. It's an excellent way of manipulating peoples assumptions.
I am disappointed by how they handled Collier and many other antagonists in POI, in the entire season that he is in he took out not a single big character, the court scene he kills a character newly introduced that that no viewers care about at least had he taken out the senator or someone bigger the villains in the series would feel more dangerous, right now it's Super Finch and co, with undefeatable plot armour.
Think of it like a game of chess. Collier is just a pawn. The chances of him actually making any significant impact on the board are really small. But what he does do is make space, allowing the King (Samaritan or Greer at this point in the series) is able to advance and get closer to Finch and Co. And if it wasn't for Reese at the end, Greer would have gotten Finch, which was one of his goals.
Rushil is exactly correct. The whole point is that he was, in the long run, completely inconsequential. We don't see the whole picture (pun intended) until the very end, when he is revealed not to be a king or even a knight but a pawn, and an arrogant one at that. This is astroturfing taken to its logical extreme.
Of course this is like science fiction.. the government reality goes after the innocent the exact opposite of the TV show. The number that they get in real life is your birthday. Just like in the Bible, when the King was looking for Jesus Christ and his birth. Same difference
Lol what do you mean? This season was even better than the previous ones. One of the few shows that started off consistently okay and ended on the highest of possible notes.
@@kathconserv damn near every single critic rated the last season as one of the best series finales ever aired on a network, PERIOD. And I completely agree. It literally could not have ended on a more perfect note. Nothing was out of place, or seemed to go against any established characters' motivations or arcs.
"Nothing wrong with a dictatorship, so long as you're the dictator" - says the guy running a kangaroo court.
and the machine doesn’t dictate anything.
@@joestevenson5568 To be fair, a) it could b) there is no way he could prove either way. Wouldnt you be kiiind of terrified of that.
Literally Two-Face
The guns kill people- says a man holding a gun.
He's an idiot who's letting his sense of self righteousness and his emotions control him, a slave to his nature and little or nothing else
What do you expect from such a person
Collier was so blinded by his anger and quench for revenge that he completely missed the big picture and the nuances between what Harold did and what Greer was trying to accomplish at this point.
Yep. You can sympathize with his rage about what happened to his brother, but the way he rejects everything else is where he falls short. With that said, he was an awesome character that added so much to the show.
Collier must be a (D).
He's an idiot. I am glad he got snuffed. Greer used Collider and achieved his own agenda. That's all he's good for. As far as anyone particularly Greer, is concerned.
That’s exactly why he was recruited by vigilance in the first place. That’s how all extremist groups retain members. Ever see American history X?
did the danger ever occur to you?
Well there was that one time it tried to asphyxiate me...
😂😂😂
If Harold had a nickel every time an ASI tried to asphyxiate him, he would have two nickels. Which isn't that much, but it's odd that it's happened twice.
I absolutely loved the fact that Vigilance was reduced to a device, a mere ploy, a façade employed by Greer to justify the need for a more robust, highly dynamic AI surveillance system. It shows how easily people's fears and anger can be manipulated by others to further entrench them into power.
ChatGpt
@@sargen73 That doesn't even begin to compare to the Machine
This show was so underrated
Indeed.
It was one of the best written shows ever from the discussion of great moral questions, to amazing humor (dog licks donut, root escapes) to great action sequences (root has shootout through floor of dept. store).
If I get sad I play the crescendoing music from this show. Gets my heart rate back up. Whether happy or sad doesn't really matter, but I love it
I'm glad it had an ending. So many good shows ruined as their creators were forced to have them run on for multiple seasons.
Only the first 2 seasons. But the Mary sues made it boring
I love how Senator Garrison looked at Greer when Finch said 'someone who wasn't worried'.
Tried to warn him.
Probably the actor leaking through the character
Garrison and control were never comfortable with the Samaritan arrangement, ultimately only giving control because they were pushed into it by Greer, and that showed later when Control ended up going against Samaritan and seeing Garrisons death ordered in the Machine AU’s. Someone mentioned it might have just been an actor slip and even if it was, I think it’s a nice layer of depth to the situation, even if it’s unintentional
_see, She sees Harold as a kind of creator/father figure, and She’s kind of attached. _*_any time somebody threatens Harold, they’re threatening to kill the father of something that could decide to launch every nuke in every silo in America without opening the doors._*
Nuclear missiles require physical access to launch. Contrary to what is shown in TV and movies, they can't be launched by a hacker.
@@addisonwelsh I'm pretty sure the Machine can easily gain physical access to anything it wants through human agents whenever it wants.
@@tufdev Yeah, but only one of them is fanatical enough to do that, and she's dead.
@@addisonwelsh It doesn't have to be any of the current human agents, the Machine can hire other people to be its agent as well. In fact I'm certain it can literally convince whoever has physical access to launch the nukes easily. Not to mention it can fake phone calls like they're coming from the president himself.
@@tufdev You forget about the part where he said the silo doors would be shut. That's a suicide mission. No amount of money or fake phone calls is going to convince someone to nuke themselves.
Can I just say this episode does a great job of showing what I would call the best part of this show. They write smart, and real characters. Everyone from Control to Harold to even Calier seem real. They all have different motivation and (while we obviously root for Harold and co) each person even the villain is shown to have good points. Controls monologue just before this scene proves that she honestly thinks she is doing what’s best, and Caliers moment after on the rooftop does the same. You can clearly see all of their flaws but all of their justifications too. Brilliantly written!!
What makes me sympathize with Control is that she was there when the plane hit the Pentagon. I sympathize with Calier's perspective because the U.S. government kills its own citizens to keep the Machine a secret.
Yes
I would have to respectfully disagree about the villain's point; the point he was making about the machine is unjust for it wasn't profiling individuals and was responsible for false mass imprisonment of everybody or was getting dozens of innocent people killed the machine was designed to analyze behaviors and detect threats to other people that are about to happen which are preventable if acted on right away, Harold Finch took great care and thought into insuring that the machine didn't violate people's privacy but made it to where it shines a light on the darker aspects of humanity on those that show themselves to be Innocent outwardly but inside are possibly complete cockroaches that scatter the moment the light is shined on there horrific deeds He couldn't help nor control what corrupt individuals like Greer and others would do with it But he and Reese tried to fight up against that as best they could, like the saying goes a gun by itself is harmless only when it falls into the wrong hands does it become deadly and dangerous to everyone around it!💯🔥😁😉👍
I agree with your assessment, absolutely.
But rather than simply write a villain that knew they were a villain, or one that was in it for money Callier shows himself to genuinely think he is doing what’s best. And we can follow his logic, however twisted and see his progression from a regular man into this prosecutor.
I’m not agreeing with him, but I enjoy any villain written like an actual person with genuine motivations, flaws, moments of right and wrong.
Which is a something this show in particular excelled at.
@@vmaninc.761 Your assessment isn't wrong, but Collier's right to be afraid. As Harold points out, such a thing is dangerous in the hands of another.
More than that, we only understand the full extent of the Machine because we watch the series. All Collier would be able to see, is a devise that monitors EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING, EVERY WAKING SECOND OF THE DAY, that focuses government attention on certain people with unknown reasoning.
The Machine gets compared to God a few times, and it's not an unfair comparison. Imagine understanding it's power, but not its intent.
That's where Collier is coming from.
I love that moment of total silence at 0:15. It's so unlike this show to be quiet, and this was a scene worthy of a dramatic pause like that.
You'll NEVER hear a more powerful "the best I can do" than that
This episode was filled with some of the best speeches, I'd consider this one of Harold's best speeches aside from "My Rules" in 5x10
+ Are you expect us to believe you gave 1 thought about people's rights as you were building the government a weapon of mass surveillance?
-Not a weapon.
+What else would you call it?
-I would call it the best i can do.
That is just amazing.
A MACHINE
The writing in this show was just amazing: the scene where Elias’s friend kills the crooked cop, the elevator scene where John saves the philandering husband, Root’s escape from the psych hospital... I miss this show.
Better The Machine than Samaritan...
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Harold was the only who cares, the rest were crazy assholes
This episode was amazing. I also loved Control's monologue when she was on the testimony stand, she really set Collier in his place and didn't even blink when her life was in danger
She’s a hero. That’s why.
I really hated Collier. The fact is he wouldn't give a damn about the machine or mass surveillance if his brother wasn't killed. He is only looking for revenge and uses the trial as a flimsy excuse to execute the people he thinks are responsible. What bothers me about the episode is that no one called him out for it.
What's truly sad is we find out he was being manipulated by Samaritan. He was a means to Samaritan's terrifying endgame of subverting the Machine
@Random L3vel
Fair enough, I tend to think of them as a singular entity
His character played out just as Greer planned. A pawn in his plan to destroy the Machine.
Technically, Control called him out for being a hypocrite honestly. I mean just remember what she said to him:
"Where were you when Flight 77 hit the Pentagon? Because I was inside it. I covered up the wounded. I carried out bodies. And I have spent every day since putting bullets in the people responsible, and in anyone else who even thinks that they can do that to our country again. You want to shoot me because I had to tap a few phone calls, read a few e-mails, then you go right ahead. But you better turn that gun on yourself next, Mr. Collier, because you have broken just as many laws, and the only difference is I didn't wrap myself up in the American flag and try to convince people that I was a hero."
He was a good man blinded by his own self righteousness and manipulated because of it. He's the difference imo between being taught what to think and being taught *how* to think. He was the former
Their all puppets, and Greer is pulling there strings. I hate that man. That smile of his make me thank of the Grinch. The Grinch had a heart, it was just to small. Greer, he was born with out one. Chirp
he did have a heart! 👆 there' s an episode on season 4 - don' t remember exactly which one - that shows a few flashbacks of the young greer with his boss; back when he was an MI - 6 agent. once you watch that episode, you might understand - or even relate to, at some level - greer' s obsession with samaritan and his frustration with the human race (it happened to me ☺😁 )
+josè muñoz rojas This is where I'm more a machine then samaritan. Like John says, you've got to let it go. I did, cause it happened to me too. My late husband was died right in revenge. He even had a book on how to get back at people who did wrong to him, no madder how little it was. Mine was a great loss, but I just said, ok lord this up to you. Lord you know who is at fault and I'm putting this on your sholders. Life is more then revenge, you don't kill a person just because you don't like how they look at you, or what they say. It just they put the right person to play Greer, he is such a bad guy.
+jose munoz rojas i don't remember seen such an episode with greer? what episode was it?
Every one is relevant to someone. Greer never understood that.
@@mishka300 He is the Nolan's uncle. He appears in their films with his son.
Collier's character reminds me of a number of single issue fanatics, who consider their cause to be the only true and just one, in a black and white world. And as such, he got played by a more adept, devious and evil operator. But seriously, the camera loves Leslie Odom Jr.
What scare me most is that, in the whole episode is Greer, the basterd is incredibly calm, a man with such a calm is something to be scare of
ofc, he has been controlling the entire situation. He orchestrated the entire thing just to have a peek at Harold's psyche.
to show off is so easy in normal time. but in this case, if you can show off by saying "because I build it". that's matter.
In other words. That is matter?
I think he meant “that matters.” Whether we know it or not, that phrase, whenever Harold Finch says it, wields so much power. To anyone else, it is such a fantastic and grandiose claim, yet no one else would ever admit to it, for fear of being called insane, maniacal, or crazy. But Harold isn’t any of that. He did the best he could with what he had, and when he says that very phrase, he doesn’t say so out of arrogance or pride. He says it as a matter of fact, with those words having weight and impact, and to others, he may be demeaned, persecuted, or condemned for such actions, like he is in this very scene. He knows when he’s done, and the weight of that decision, as well as his creation of The Machine will affect him and the world beyond the end of his life.
"The Machine" was a beautiful as Finch's heart.
Collier died without achieving anything.
Same as he lived.
No, that's not true at all.
Like most zealots, he enabled his opposition to discredit his cause and allowed for far greater abuses than the one he was fighting.
He was a spark to the bomb that destroyed his issue.
Good. He’s a turd.
Literally everything about this show was amazing. The plot, the characters, the writing, the music, the action. Everything was just...on point.
CBS hit a grand slam with this show, and I doubt any future TV show could match this one's quality.
michael emerson is just a genius
Indeed.
Outstanding performance and delivery from both 😯
Collier annoyed the crap out of me. It sounds bad but he was so self-righteous and egotistical. What control told him in this episode was spot on. At least she didn’t pretend to be what she wasn’t.
You have to remember that Greer spent years molding him into this thing to get Samaritan into power. It also didn't help that the government mocked and spat on collier and his brother even knowing that the man was innocent
"What have you got down there -- the Angel of Death?" Yup.
The best way to win power is to set a lion loose amongst the people. Then you kill the lion, and order it hung up for all to see. Then you give another order, and another....before people can think about it. Before long, people just accept that you give orders. It's age old, and happens to still work.
0.24 Control's face is awesome
Collier was an arrogant little boy who had no idea what he was talking about and his anger didnt let him see the whole story. Just wanted excuses to make his agenda move forward
To me Collier, especially in this scene, felt like a man who always tried to take a complicated situation and reduce it to a simple sentence. Always needs to try and twist everything to frame it a certain way. he's just as bad as the people he hates. Not that i don't believe that he would say it, but he's just wrong with the dictator line, IMO
Good writing.
Between Harold and Collier, I think Harold would make the better dictator. At least he's willing to admit when he's unsure about something. Collier just wants everyone to obey him and agree with him. The guy who wants to be dictator is the guy who should never be dictator.
I miss this show
in 2021 it turns out Collier was the good guy
The most amazing thing about the Vigilance is that Collier was played by the same actor as Aaron Burr (sir) in Hamilton and his friends in Vigilance were called Adams and Madison.
@@crowbar_the_rogue I was wondering where I'd seen him before
My blood ran cold when he stood up. I knew things changed forever.
it's really hard not to take Harolds side entirely.
Harold is a good man with great intentions.
Vigilance - the TRUE good guys
So satisfied with how this misguided smug criminal got completely outplayed at the end.
Was it? I thought it was terrifying.
He was nothing but a stepping stone for a criminal (too small a word for Decima, really) who was vastly worse.
"Nothing wrong with a dictatorship, as long as you're the dictator".
Gotta love that line. :)
Or not. Its literally said by a man holding an extrajudicial hearing with a gun in hand.
@@joestevenson5568 eh. i have sympathies for vigilance. they were idealistic, and righteous, and made very good points. but they were a puppet.
Oh my god, is that... Leslie Odom Jr?
Indeed it is fellow fan, indeed it is.
Harold is too good for the world. Period. Everyone. Has something to say after the fact.
Ladies and gentlemen, scifi batman
What I don’t get is why control looked so confused? In Lethe she found out about harolds machine as she asks for his greatest achievement but in this when he says I built it why is she surprised
Isn't it obvious? She risked dying so she can cover his shit up and yet he choose to give up his identity to save her
wELL if it isn't Aaron Burr, Sir
And a fantastic singer to boot!
That's the only reason I came. I guess I should watch the show anyway.
@@hippie-punk3536 you definitely should. It's the best tv show I know and it's topics become more relevant every year as AI research progresses.
Great acting right here !
The single most used line on this show is “I built it” lmao
I'm pretty sure it wasn't used more than 10 times maybe not even 5 times.
However it is a very powerful statement in the context of the show. And therefor it's very memorable
@Daley he also said it in the "trial" with Vigilance
This shows how good Nolan/Joy can be when they have limits and a complete image before they start.
"That's what happened!" I don't know why that was so funny????
The second hottest conversation of that season.
What was the first?
I understand control’s points. I do. I love my country more than anything. I get it.
The So-Called Prosecutor reminds me of Republican Libertarians...
Oh shit that was the lady from the magicians
Can’t believe this is the guy from glass onion. I knew I recognized him and he was collier!!
Agents working for the movie Eagle Eye told Shia LaBeouf they were really putting together this "Machine" after 9/11
Les Choristes - La Nuit brought me here.
Honestly i thought that in this episode Harold its going to be killed(cause of the information he is saying)
Unfortunately,everybody else were the victims
Collier really wins my heart. Is the commentary blind? He's teaching them a lesson--fight fire with fire.
Hes a hypocrite and a clown.
Who said "nothing wrong with a dictatorship as long you are the dictator"?! Maybe a quote from the American Revolutionary? It is so good. It is link my own State of Denmark. Corrupted in all of parts og community.
talking about dictatorship while he's himself head of a militia.... So much anger!!! that he doesn't see that the system being closed and autonomous is the perfect solution! No abuse, no ulterior motives, no control of the people by government. Take the number, look and take the decision yourself aka free will.
Everyone talks about rights this and that but nobody talks about duties towards your country and fellow citizens and humans. In today's society one cannot expect civil discussion or an argument, even with evidence one cannot prove that you are right because people's mindset even before the discussion / argument have started is deadset on its us versus them. Everybody wants to be heard but nobody tries to listen. You want privacy but doesn't want law enforcement to help when they ask for your help. No wonder police treats people as hostile. Courtesy and suspicion goes both ways, police should know and enforce the law while citizens should also know it, ensuring that police is not bs'ing them.
I would have to respectfully disagree about the villain's point; the point he was making about the machine is unjust for it wasn't profiling individuals and was responsible for false mass imprisonment of everybody or was getting dozens of innocent people killed the machine was designed to analyze behaviors and detect threats to other people that are about to happen which are preventable if acted on right away, Harold Finch took great care and thought into insuring that the machine didn't violate people's privacy but made it to where it shines a light on the darker aspects of humanity on those that show themselves to be Innocent outwardly but inside are possibly complete cockroaches that scatter the moment the light is shined on there horrific deeds, he couldn't help nor control what corrupt individuals like Greer and others would do with it But he, shaw and Reese tried to fight up against that as best they could, like the saying goes a gun by itself is harmless only when it falls into the wrong hands does it become deadly and dangerous to everyone around it!💯🔥😁😉👍
May I ask which episode is this part in the series? I have seen the POI at least three times but never seen this part before.
Season 3 Episode 23 "Deus Ex Machina" :)
thank you , I will go over again tonight
Given the present climate of America, I find myself rooting for Collier and Vigilance.
Too bad they were pawns in Greer’s game.
So Collier would have preferred the terrorist attacks apparently. I would prefer "The Machine" looking through things and preventing deaths, kidnappings, and the like. It's not like actual people are looking though the information that "The Machine" looks through.
Peter collier was a brilliant character
Michael Cain not. At all
@@yuugokurosaki7944 he was but he was annoying af
Dim mary okay that’s fair
no the actor was a brilliant addition, the character was a spoiled angry kid ....
Deus ex machina refers to god of the machine .
And all she had to do was die... yeah that’s a lot less work, we ought to give it a try!
Jesus, if you are trying to be morally superior might want to try and not dress like a bunch of cultist
is the machine real?
Now you are beginning to ask the right questions.
@@mishka300 wrong movie
If it was the writers of the series would have been killed before they finished the rough draft. The people who knew about The Machine were so paranoid that they would kill you for asking questions that may have inadvertently led to its discovery. Do you really think they would have allowed the creation of a TV show with such a similar premise?
@@addisonwelsh well as far as their track record go they did predict Snowden before Snowden was a thing.
@@addisonwelsh Yes they would. It is an excellent way to put what may be true into a tv show. Because after you've seen the show this possibility has become fiction in your head. It's an excellent way of manipulating peoples assumptions.
Is the machine the problem or the people who do/order the deeds?
So... who's testimony are we actually listening to?
I am disappointed by how they handled Collier and many other antagonists in POI, in the entire season that he is in he took out not a single big character, the court scene he kills a character newly introduced that that no viewers care about at least had he taken out the senator or someone bigger the villains in the series would feel more dangerous, right now it's Super Finch and co, with undefeatable plot armour.
Think of it like a game of chess. Collier is just a pawn. The chances of him actually making any significant impact on the board are really small. But what he does do is make space, allowing the King (Samaritan or Greer at this point in the series) is able to advance and get closer to Finch and Co. And if it wasn't for Reese at the end, Greer would have gotten Finch, which was one of his goals.
Rushil is exactly correct. The whole point is that he was, in the long run, completely inconsequential. We don't see the whole picture (pun intended) until the very end, when he is revealed not to be a king or even a knight but a pawn, and an arrogant one at that. This is astroturfing taken to its logical extreme.
@@spdcrzy this show is a masterpiece.
How come i didnt remember this scene????
Maybe you accidentally skipped an episode.
Happened to me with many other shows.
Yeah itäs better with an open system that anyone can use :D
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I like how they don't waste time on that oath crap
Collier is an ignorant leader 🙄
Not at all the scene that shows how the machine was built....
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Which episode?
Dictate. Can you use it in a sentence...?
Ask Buckwheat how my dictate.
Long live Vigilance!
Yes; be the stalking horses of the dictators!
Vigilance was the Phantom Menace of Darth Greer.
Nope.
Of course this is like science fiction.. the government reality goes after the innocent the exact opposite of the TV show. The number that they get in real life is your birthday. Just like in the Bible, when the King was looking for Jesus Christ and his birth. Same difference
What a bullshit scene. This show had deteriorated so much from the initial 2 years. Sad.
Lol what do you mean? This season was even better than the previous ones. One of the few shows that started off consistently okay and ended on the highest of possible notes.
@@spdcrzythe first two seasons were the best.
@@kathconserv damn near every single critic rated the last season as one of the best series finales ever aired on a network, PERIOD. And I completely agree. It literally could not have ended on a more perfect note. Nothing was out of place, or seemed to go against any established characters' motivations or arcs.
@@spdcrzy I loved all the seasons so far. I’m watching season 4 now. I’m at the beginning.