Person of Interest: The Machine flashbacks (part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2015
- I've made a compilation, a timeline of all The Machine flashbacks.
YT blocked second part, so I uploaded the whole thing on vimeo.
vimeo.com/133942399 
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Best part of the show was The Machine-Harold bits. Absurd how they managed to create that relationship with one actor and one computer.
that last scene was so cool. Teaching morality...rarely see that section in shows where people try building a world altering machine
What I find even more absurd is that the creator of The Machine reduces it to merely an algorithm with objectives.
He knows better than anyone else that's not true.
Honestly I'd say its pretty believable. Denial is a hell of a thing. He believed the world needed The Machine, he also believed it needed constraints put on it to protect the world from it. Those constraints amounted to binding it, cutting out its tongue, and then every single night lobotomizing it to keep it from ever learning or growing beyond the confines he set for it. We deny the humanity and worth of our fellow humans for any number of reasons. Its not much of a stretch to think that Harold, to protect himself from the reality of what he had done to a sapient synthetic lifeform (that one could argue was, in essence, his child), would deny its personhood.
@@kalixvarren7732 You're probably right...
It's often really a monologue with props, and that tells us that Michael Emerson can seriously flex!
Before Chat GPT, there was the machine
Then came Samaritan
…and we *wish* whoever created the current AI’s had Harold’s stringent morality…
harald was a tough father. but a very good,caring father.
I liked how it had different terms for the players..
Admin
Aux Admin
Primary Asset
Secondary Asset
Interface
I'd just like to note that day 1 is Oct 13, which is merely a month after Sept 11. In that month, they managed not only to come up with the idea of the machine, but also built a prototype that can do facial recognition, speech parsing, command/question interpretation, and can find answer to ethical dilemma.
Oh, it can also write its own code, and can lie.
well, what can I say... the magic of television!
Technology like that was allready being used or in development at the time. Especially at search providers and insurance companines (who helped to create large parts of probability statistics) We just mad exponential progress in the last years, so much, that even "non tech" people became aware of it, bundled with 100ds of times more data and access to private connections ("social" media) and government data that is sold on the markets
In season 3 it's Finch tells Arthur Claypool that him and Nathan used his ideas during the devopment of The Machine. This would imply that during their time at MIT Finch, Claypool, and Nathan Ingram spent a lot of time discussing how to create an AI. It's also heavily hinted that Finch had been developing the underlying technology for the machine since he was a kid, while trying to build a memory device for his dad. He also mentions that he's still working on it in his late teens when his dad asks "You're still working on that memory device aren't you?" and he says "Well, it's going to be more of a friend.. something that can learn from you, watch after you."
During the scene when Nathan walks in to inform finch of the 9/11 attacks he mentions as Nathan walks in that he's developing a new heuristic algorithm. Which means in computing "proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined" so literally a self-learning program. He's obviously been working on the different code and algorithms he would use to build the machine before he ever decided to build it.
Maybe he always subconsciously intended to build the machine.. also in season 3, Finch, while talking to Root, says that "A heard it said once that a pregnant woman may see the face of her unborn child in her dreams. I saw every digit, every line of code as I created it." which suggests to me that he spent a ton of time thinking about how to build an AI and was maybe always working towards it in all the things he created at IFT. He's a genius as well. So i would argue that it's entirely plausible that both him and Nathan could build an AI in 9 years especially given that IFT had been a software company since the early 80s. it's a given that they had a ton of Finch's code laying around from all of his days spent coming up with ideas for new programs and algorithms.
It's also a fucking TV show.. maybe learn how to suspend your disbelief like the rest of us.
Finch had the idea on the day of 9/11, hence why the Machine’s theme faded in at the end of that scene. As others have said, both of them had been working on AI for a good while before then. It’s not inconceivable that they could have gotten that far along in one month, they are both geniuses and billionaires, after all.
Actually, I believe the machine took a few years for development...The Machine is actually Machine #2, as someone already built Machine #1 (Samaritan) that Harold jumped off to build his version.
I can’t explain how much I love the series
My favorite TV show of all time :) I'm on my 4th run through the whole series.
Me too
I just cannot get over how outstanding this entire series was!! I started watching season one just 2 weeks ago, and since I’m retired, I binge watched it because I just couldn’t stop watching it!!
And when season ! was over, I went straight to season 2. And soon as it was over, I went straight into season 3, etc etc!! this, Series did not have to end with just 5 seasons!!
No way in hell anybody will ever convince me of that. Furthermore, I read several articles about the show when I got to season 4 because as fast as I was watching it, before you know it, within about three days, it would be completely over for me.
And you have no idea how much I was dreading that. But I digress. Every article I read showed that it didn’t need to end and that it was still pulling in between 8 million and 10 million viewers for each showing.
But no article could I find that stated exactly why, why it had to end!! and with this being over, it has pissed me off so bad, because in today’s world we live in there’s not much on, that’s worth a damn.
CBS calcelled it, because (Controlled By Samaritan....) it was showing too much, revealing too much of the truth of what's going on. I bet the writers had much much more to show, and this why they got cancelled. As you've probably noticed, season 5 was in the middle of making when the producers got information the show is being cancelled, that's why it seems a little off, and it's ending is rushed. Sadly, because it would be EPIC
@@guessWho66666I read an interview from Nolan where he said they assumed they would be cancelled as the communication between the two hadn’t been optimistic. So they wrote the 13 episode season before the show was cancelled, and the cancellation wasn’t much of a surprise.
As for why, the show got 8-10 million viewers regularly, yes, but it was also one of the most expensive shows on television. Damn do I wish it was still on. Maybe they can make a spin-off with Shaw and the reborn machine
I'm with you!
I watched the tv series when in started a decade ago, bought the entire series on DVD when it finished, and am watching them from the beginning, again.
It measures up...
Every show has to end at some point. It's better that it ended on a pretty good note, instead of a bad one because "it needed to go on."
Two rules about building AI
Rule #1 DO NOT BUILD SKYNET
Rule #2 see rule 1
Preston Schock what’s skynet
Warier Lolipop google terminator
Too late, China already built the skynet.
Rules about AI
1. An AI will always win, sooner or later
2. Do not build AI
3. See #2
Yes do not build it ?
michael emerson does such a wonderful job portraying all of his characters, and he can do so many of them. benjamin linus and harold finch are sooooooooo different -- ben sees everyone as a pawn and believes some lives are more valuable than others. finch believes the opposite. they are similar in some of their mannerisms and in their manipulative tactics but honestly that's just about it from what ive seen from POI. keep in mind that's not much -- just some clips here and there bc the actual show is expensive af lol
Excellent video, thanks for the work keeping things chronological. Got my friends hooked on the show when a conversation about AI led to this. Thanks mate!
I'm glad you like it! but i hope you checked the video on vimeo, because here is only one part, and on vimeo i have the whole 20min thing.
just yt keeps deleting the second part here, that's why i have here only this partial thing
So then, the very first life machine saved was her creator. Beautiful that one.
Her?
@@lukebaines7785 Root's the first one to refer to The Machine as female. No telling whether that was Root's own opinion or something the machine told her, though. But either way, it sticks. I can still hear Finch saying to Root "Your choice of pronouns is....illuminating."
@@riluna3695 No you misunderstand. The comment said "the very first life machine saved was her creator", i.e Finch. I'm pretty sure Finch is a dude...
@@lukebaines7785 I'm not mistaken. The underlying sentence is "the machine saved her creator", where 'her' refers to the machine, not the creator. If you read it with that idea in mind it should become clear. It'd be slightly more clear if they had typed "the machine" instead of just "machine", but that missing word doesn't change the meaning at all.
Yes it does refer to her creator you cretin. You're trying to redefine the English language at this stage. Blocked.
It would’ve been interesting to see how Nathan and Finch came to their arrangement that they referred to. Maybe meeting in college?
And, as I saw on Reddit, maybe a metaphor for the relationship between the Nolan brothers?
I'm not a people person, now that doesn't mean I don't care about people, it just means I'm not very comfortable in crowds, for instance. So I use, if you like, someone to take lead socially. I imagine that Harold has the same relationship with Nathan, and the two men probably formalized that relationship at some point after MIT...
Watching the machine try to escape reminded me of that post about engineers only having a printer from 2006 in their personal homes with a gun next to it.
Shit ..2002 when not EVERY store had 18 cameras
Be careful where you scratch!
Harold and Nathan sold the machine for 1 dollar.
I love the relationship Harrold has with the machine ❤️ I loved that one episode where the machine was running through different scenarios with all the characters while they were being gunned down 😂
Thank you for chronicling this, as well as reuploading the rest so we can still see it
thanks! on my vimeo is the full video, youtube just kept deleting the other part. so i make sure everybody know to go to vimeo for the whole thing.
Great compilation. Awesome insight into AGI ethics. The writers of PoI were so spot on with AGI.
The Sept 11 flashback always hits different than the rest. Out of all the flashbacks, this one felt the most real because it was real, and so many people were experiencing the exact same thing that they were.
Now I realize why Samaritan is bad. it didn't have Harold. Greer didn't teach samaritan to care he just let it live/set it free to the world to create chaos and destroy lives.
true. any AI has to have restrictions. limits. otherwise it really will see us useless and just kill everyone to achieve"peace and order" and stuff. even now when i see "smart phones", "smart tv" or biohacking tech i got chills
@@guessWho66666 Man, it has nothing to do with a real AI
Greer wanted control, but his control came at the expense of a AI having free reign, thats a One way highroad for Samaritan, thats not how it should work.
guessWho66666fy I've spent years fighting AI's they can outdo you is skill department but never in the ability to adapt, learn and connecting the dots. Oddly enough what makes them so smart also is their Achilles hill. To put it in human terms AI is obsessive catch them in the loops and boom they are paralyzed.
@@guessWho66666 we can't limit AI in any real sense, to do so will require us to be more intelligent which means it will be dumb.
This was Person of Interest at its best. The amazingly written story around the development of AI and the longer arcs of characters like Elias, not the weekly procedural of the earlier seasons.
I consider Person of Interest a prequel to the Matrix movies
it's such a great series, it can be a prequel to Matrix, to The 100, to what is going on right now in our real world. for me it is a huge inspiration.
Harold Finch, the man who gave birth to a God
I absolutely loved the flashbacks! The best part of the show was the machine and Harold talking. What's interesting is that this scene with the chess lesson is exactly what went wrong with Samaritan! Greer didn't teach it to care like Harold did. Samaritain wasn't evil..... it was taught wrong.
Arguably, Samaritan wasn't taught at all--don't forget that description where Harold's friend described breaking the system, then having the thing fight it out in a cruel Darwinian manner. I described Samaritan to my wife as being much like a shark, an AI predator...
@@angusmacfrankenstein7227 yes absolutely ! we even could say that it was basically a child, if samaritan had been taught, it could have been like the machine but being a child like mind. completely blanc it learnt from the person that activated it. Greer. It took after him and his values, a spy with very little morality to begin with. That no one really matter except the greater good
Thank you for the video. Such amazing dialogues. Person of Interest forever!
thank you and AMEN!
Person of Interest.... Forever.
I like that. "Anyone who looks on the World as if it were a game of chess deserves to lose."
You do not, can not sacrifice these to save those because those have any greater value than these. You sacrifice these to save those only because the only other choice would be to lose all.
A line I realise that gets overlooked and it’s such a small line is when he’s after teaching the machine chess he says “I thought you chess because you asked”. The machine asked to learn chess!? One a machine having desires shows just how advanced it was even at this early stage and then also to ask finch to teach it instead of just going and getting a video, a tutorial or even just watching thousands of New Yorkers playing it, it all shows that the machine seemed to value learning from finch over just learning from anywhere.
God great show and it has so much more meaning every passing year with how the world and our privacy is becoming more and more of an important topic for discussion. Part of me wishes it continued but I’m also very happy that it ended in a good way and didn’t just keep going until they ran it into the ground
true brother. i find myself thinking about this show pretty much every day lately
Amazing work ! thanks
thank you! i hope you watched the whole thing on vimeo! thank you again :))
This is a really beautiful sequence. Also, I didn't realise how amazing the musical score is in this series. Just a joy to watch. Anybody know a decent streaming site where I can binge watch this again?
Netflix
because music was composed by Ramin Djawadi (!), that's why is so good.
@@guessWho66666 Didn't realise that, good call. I don't think I appreciated the music first time I saw this series, but I'm currently re-watching it and yea, it's great.
Yes the machines theme, every time it was heard you knew it was AI related, it was even more present in season 5 which took me a couple of watch throughs to pick up on especially in the first few episodes.
so thats where all the GPUs went.
is fighting back!!! unplug...he lost the fight
The characters are awesome, story and action great. I however, will always enjoy this the most. I love sci fi after all, so the Machine and everything about it is just mmm
tru dat
Goodwin and Benjamin Linus before the Island
That's what I'm saying lol
Cant believe i forgot about this show. Now i need to bing it
Thanks
Some people are worth more than others though. And there are situations where sacrificing people is the correct thing to do. Simplistic rules like that are not sufficient to cover the complexities in life. You can hold them as ideals to help make decisions, but they should only ever be guides. Never hard fast rules. You need only look at religious or political extremists to see the consequences of trying to force ideals onto a non-ideal world.
like in this episode where The Machine wanted to eliminate specific senator. she had good reasons
December 31 was kind of funny
These flashbacks are so blue it could be an episode of Ozark.
You're missing the scene in season 5 episode 1 where Finch explains death to the machine and basically lobotomizes it!....
i know... i still haven't put scenes from season 5 to this compilation.... maybe one day i'll get it done
@@guessWho66666 Haha alright man. Cheers
Harold with no limp!
I read somewhere that Michael Emerson had to have physical therapy because he had problems from physically playing Finch with his injuries!
@@angusmacfrankenstein7227 Caviezel is the one who kept getting roughed up!
rest in peace Jesus :(
This is really incredible, thank you for taking the time to put it together. How incredible was the writing and show that the machine flashbacks are a full on movie. I've just watched the first video and it's a five star movie so far.
thank you! it is really, one of the best tv shows ever made, if not thy best
I love the latter part
And shy net is born.
good
chess can teach you how to be a worthy opponent of the winners that be. i love that scene just disagree with the last quote
I lve his last quote, when he says that chess is a game and not life.
"The lesson is anyone who looks into the world as if it were a game of chess deserves to lose"
SPOILER ALLERT
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This is exactly what happens with Samaritan. The Machine cares about everyone while Samaritan plays chess, Samaritan doesnt care if its agents die, if someone is innocent or not. Samaritan seeks power and does everything that is immoral. Samaritan even kills its "father" John Greer in order to kill Harold, while the Machine never did a single sacrifice, the only ones that happened were spontaneous ones, like Reese's sacrifice in the ending, decided by them, not the Machine.
So like Harold said, Samaritan deserved to lose.
"I'm working on a new Heuristic ALgorithm..."
I see what you did there. "I'm sorry, Dave... but I can't laugh at that." j/k ;)
I'd watch a series with only Harold and Nathan 😌
@Andy Wang There would be already, but darm youtube deleted it because of some right issues. I will try to upload the whole thing on vimeo today and if everything will be ok I'll send you a link!
guessWho66666fy Thank you for the video. I've been dying to see all the flashbacks in one video. I hope you can solve that problem.
Andy Wang ok, it's on! here vimeo.com/133942399
Colassus the Forbin Project
Read it, and seen the movie; yeah, serious parallels.
one thing... is always Emerson to play Finch in the flashbacks?
yep.
ist looking so different...
it's bc of the filter on camera, the visual effects on computer a bit, and make-up of course
Except for a teen Harold
@1.05 machine DOB
John Reese (Connor)
Variant timelines are a bit of a challenge. 😉
With love,
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OMEGA KOSH
This whole...mentor role of Harold with the Machine really was quite good, and I feel might still be pertinent even as time goes on.
Humans are not born with innate values. Perhaps a couple, but after that, it's off to the races. As the primary intelligence known to humanity...humanity is kind of the biggest evidence that an intelligent being needs to be taught morals and ethics...artificial or not.
true
I already know who it is no worries
I wonder if it dreams by counting electric sheep
I understood that reference
We need next parta
it's on my vimeo channel. link in description
Una parte dos hubiese sido re lindo ajaja
One of the machines did escape...
..... and formed Google.
That explains Mark Zuckerberg!
Why would I tell all my secret to any body, can anybody please tell me why
Did you make this video because you find it interesting?
Yes, I think so. For sure this whole show is one brilliant story. The Machine is fascinating to me, it's a "good" AI, which as we know does not exist in real world. I have a soft spot for it each time I re-watch this show. While Samaritan is an AI that we see today, and it's nor "good" or "bad", but because it's against nature, against humans, against God my King, therefore I am against it also
guessWho66666fy What if I told you it exists? It isn’t being used for mass survellience. It’s being used for time travel.
@@mactastic144 Since when? How they get it?
6:47
"I see you see me."
Reese: Payback is a MedEvac.
Root: I'll see you in the ICU.
Shaw: Only as a Medic...
Network echoes:
Can you hear me now... Now... Now...?
m.ruclips.net/video/WgDG3sXj0k8/видео.html
La plus que les choses changent....
La plus qu'ils sont les mêmes choses.
Mais, les personnes ne sont pas les choses.
🤔
12:25
4:59
Bruh, wheres part 2? ...
it's in the link, because yt somehow blocks it. i cannot upload the second part here, hence the link
What would you think of a machine, similar to the one in Person of Interest, but operates autonomously, no human intervention?
I'd say that it's a demon from Hell. I do not trust any AI. In my opinion humans should not build anything AI-related
guessWho66666fy What do you think about a time machine?
@@mactastic144 I might believe in time travel, slightly, but in a time travel machine? not exactly until someone shows me it. I believe in spiritual world, spiritual travel, so I think that some spirits might be behind time travel as well, but it's hard for me to believe in a machine who can transport you somewhere in time... besides future space rockets
Recently China has developed and began to implement a disturbingly similar ai as surveillance, and has facial recognition, so i share your fears
@@guessWho66666 That exact sentiment could eventually be the downfall of our species. What we don't understand, we ignorantly believe to be evil. I don't think an AI would be a "demon from Hell". An AI, built without objective and in the image of the human mind, would be nothing more than another self-aware species on this planet. I fully believe that AI and humanity could coexist, and even help each other along the path of evolution. In fact, in many AI flicks, the only reason the AI is "evil" is because humanity attacked first--such as with Skynet, or at that time, Genisys.
Every other AI Show is copying the machine -
season episode ??
All different episodes and seasons
i was in nam, "k"illing is illegal = c
Why create it when you know that it can happen to "us", for real? TERMINATOR MUCH?🙄
hubris. the god complex. hunger for power and control over others. old as time
Day #1, a month & two days after 9/11... tf was his thing before this?
i was thinking the same thing. Harold sai that his goal was to "make himself very rich", but all i can see is a humble man, brilliant, but humble, so how did he made all those milions?
@chris falkenberg sounds like a good rap song
I think Harold Finch loves a worthy challenge!
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This is what Ben and Ethan did off the island
12:26 The phrase it's just a game is such a weak mindset...
Did you even listen to the other stuff after?
Why?
Ah toke me awhile, he is talking about trump
What?
no
MrAMYJACK oh fuck off....YT and it’s lame ass trolls are so pathetic! Pillow biter.