You wanna change the B part cus a lot of people can give you great tips . But it all comes to you in the end because its your machine , you know your thing better than anyone else . But true , Human error always happens .
My 4th rule is "only change and test one variable at a time". I learned that with computers and software but it also applies when I'm in my garage or shop. I really enjoyed your video, thank you!
I've just accidentally came across this vid. I served my Engineering apprenticeship at Boxford Machine Tools in the mid and late 60's. Wonderful place to work, full of characters. I remember machining parts for the prototype of this model of lathe in the toolroom, I'm nearly 74 now and would love to go back. My elder brother was the painter there, and most certainly painted this machine. By the way, it's very rare for those clutches to wear out, and they are very easy to repair.
Rule no. 2 VERY true. I acquired an old brush type electric motor from a redundant industrial fridge from a few doors away that for years had electricians replacing the brushes every six months. I looked at the wiring setup and noticed it was set up for 3 phase (we dont have a three phase supply in our small village). After a simple adjustment in the connection box, in 15 years I did not have to replace a single brush and the extra power was unbelievable. So much for experts!!!!
The American components, the Russian components they all made in Taiwan. Because this is how we fix problem on the Russian Space Station because I don't want to stay here anymore..."
My personal favorite approach to solving any problem is attributed to the guy that ran Delco back in the 60s: "A problem well-stated is half solved." My method goes like this: state the problem out loud, in very specific terms as if you're explaining it to someone that is just walking into the scene. Chances are that at a certain point in your description you'll realize where the problem lies. 👍🏾
A friend of mine was an expert in electric forklift repair. One day I asked him, what is your secret to these repairs? He replied:"start at the key" Excellent advice.
golden rule numero uno: LOOK FOR THINGS OUT OF PLACE.... rule number 5: factory parts can be DOA right out of the box, even sealed parts rule number 6: what is different that was recently changed troubleshooting is like building an engine, you need to verify everything is as it should be, not what you expect it to be as
I’ll be using this to remind my Industrial Electrical Maintenance students. Simple stuff first, always start at the beginning drawings to supplement pictures. Love your videos. Practical-and never boring. Keeping it in a vice.
Well said! I spent 50 years in the maintenance and instruction of aircraft maintenance. While practicing as an aircraft maintenance engineer, I was required to troubleshoot many defects and as an instructor of aircraft maintenance I was required to instruct troubleshooting. Your steps 1and 2 are what I always presented to my students, however my third step was to consider the costs in resolving the problem. Then I would continue on to your third step which actually was my forth step. The need to say my third step stems from the expectations that aircraft are always expected to be perfect regardless of costs. This is BS don’t believe it.
Very Very true, especially on the guy before you........ I was once INSTRUCTED to do a top end rebuild on a non start car...... "apparently" no compression, i never double checked, why would I? the "Master Technician" had diagnosed it! Stripped and rebuilt her and alas, still no start! Long story short, it was out of fuel and the fuel gauge was stuck at half.... many, many, many spanners, screwdrivers, hammers and other assorted hand tools were banjo'd about the workshop that day i can tell you! thats the most expensive 5 litres of fuel anyone ever bought............ £1300! (about $1.2M if you are reading this after the US goes broke, or $2600 in '15 ) yup they charged the customer! and i promptly left! Needless to say that place went bust about 8 weeks after i'd gotten the fudge out of Rodge!
+Bindo about $1.2M if you are reading this after the US goes broke, or $2600 in '15 that part is gold. Because of that part I will remember your story and this video if something like that happens to me in the future, and it probably will.
+Bindo Yeah...reminds me of a bronco 2 I dropped off at the dealer to be repaired . I gave them full details of the failure. (radiator core leaked unto the emergency fuel cutoff breaker) A few hours after I dropped it off I get a phone call from the dealer explaining that they were going to charge me xxx amount of dollars to take the trailer hitch off to to get at the fuel tank /fuel pump. I then called the service manager. Another time I dropped my car off at pep boys for tires and alignment...they called me into the shop and demonstrated a thunk by hitting the tire with a block of wood. They said your rack and pinion is bad......xxx amount of dollars to repair. I said "I don't think so.....took it home and adjusted the front wheel bearings.....called the service manager ...he gave me a free set of shocks for my aggravation and time.
+Bindo I have had people say their car is broken, so i have them crank it over, then find the "fuel pressure" nipple on the fuel rail and poke it with a screwdriver... and that usually shows what the problems is. I always try to "dumb down" what ever it is im trying to fix. things are only complicated when you make them that way. Your example is what happens when someone thinks that because they "know a lot" means that they can dissect a problem to the tiniest detail, only to be way off. In reality getting "close enough" is usually way more accurate.
Occam's Razor - the simplest answer is probably the correct one. Kinda like remembering to check the fuses before stripping out the ECM/alternator/fuel pump/whatever and testing all the wires and connections.
reminds me of the other day boss calls "can you pick me up a new thermostat this ones not working the heats not coming on" yea yea sure boss man. go in get a cheapo $50 one and take it out pop it in, eh still no worky worky what the f yo. long story short boss man put the wrong pokey bit in the wrong receptacle when replacing the thermostat, fryed the fuse. $50 for a fuse.
3 Rules of a technician. #1 If it aint broke dont fix it. #2 if it is broke check for warranty and have someone else fix it. #3 ask google how to fix it
b t you forgot, when the 2nd laptop was malfunctioning, my wife had bought. troubleshooting and getting replacement parts was a breeze, then procrastinate 6 months - a year. To repair it. When finally getting down to repairing it and realizing i lost the new parts. Then Look for parts for hours upon hours. Finally find parts. Of course, Realize parts are incorrect. Go to shop to get new parts for a second time. Have a flat on the drive there. skid then flip multiple times off into the median Impaling myself on the unkept branches of a very large oak tree. Catch fire and burn to an excruciating death. Meanwhile, at home while I'm burning and smoldering from head to toe my wife finally finds the adapter for the 2nd laptop she forgot to give me last year.
@@gutenman7112 If we can't fix it in ten minutes or less, 1: report unit as unsalvageable(your company time is worth more than the parts) 2: replace unit 3: junk old unit 4: file the manufacturers warranty reimbursement form. Other businesses(fields) may vary. These were the actual steps at one warranty certified place for low dollar items.
These three tips are the bible of troubleshooting. Sometimes it's difficult to get away from the previous guys advice due to their being aggressively helpful. :-)
+Thema inproblem I troubleshoot for a living and will ALWAYS ask the customer/owner of the device what the problem is and then immediately put the device through its job to try to recreate the problem or see for myself. Anything they say they have tried I ignore....if they knew what they were doing they would not be calling me :D
Andrew Reilman Yours is a great point as well! Taking advice or direction from the problem provider is most likely just a huge waste of time. They should just tell us what's not happening that should be and then just go away.
I happen to work in one of the best fab shops in the world. We manufacture the things that scare other shops away. I will never tire of watching chips fly and arcs glow. it is therapy for the soul. Congratulations on "fixing" the beast.
So true! I'm doing repairs for fun for random people once a month (you have "Repair Cafes" in Canada?) and had all of these cases just yesterday. A guy had taken apart an electric lawn mower because it wouldn't work anymore. He went at it with several tools, checked motor coils with a multimeter aso. He pronounced it dead and had just screwed it back together to haul it to the dump in one piece. I asked him if I should have a look suspecting the safety trigger (he said he checked) because they get worn with time/misuse and just need a little bit more persuasion. Worked on first try... So a 1, 2 and 3 in one.
Amen brother I've learned when someone says"it don't work" to just shake my head and check it out anyway. People get offended sometimes, that is till they see me get it to work.
+Brandon Fesser Unicode has gone a little mad, there is a code for everything now. The idea is to have a single encoding format for every symbol/letter/pictogram on the planet, which means they have gone a bit nuts and just sucked up every little symbol they stumble across. Last I checked they were over 120k assigned characters/symbols. Hell every single emoji is in there now and emoji only exists because Japanese phone companies realised they could send images over the text message system using barely any bandwidth by encoding them as characters back in the 90's.
omg i'd die from the spontainious amount of joy that'd hit me when i first saw it move itself xd then as a ghost cry in regert that id not figured out sooner.
Might be in the coments all ready. ANY "WALK-UP" to any POWER FEED machine you didn't set up or are not familliar with, get the tool / spindle / AWAY from the work peice and the machines travel surfaces, BEFORE you turn on the spindle, and BEFORE You engage any feed. If the "Why" isnt obvious, I suggest some other type of endeavor.
The airplane maintainers always called the "organic error" a problem with the Stick Actuator or the Rudder Pedal/Control Stick Interface Unit. I've also found that a failure in a machine can almost always be blamed on a lack of maintenance, and that "good enough" probably isn't. And yea, if someone says "I already tried that!", do it again.. They are probably an idiot....
Here in the lab we've got three rules too Is it moving when it shouldnt? Apply lab tape Is it not moving when it should? Apply vacuum oil Is it leaking? Apply stopcock grease That covers pretty much everything. Also, I gotta send you some stopcock grease. Super super high gravity inert silicone grease. Its amazing. Evaporative emissions error on your car? Stopcock grease. Leaky carb pulling air and running lean? Stopcock grease. Sunroof leaking? Stopcock grease. Boat leaking? Stopcock grease. Horrible hand wound dressing a deer? Stopcock grease. Flies and leader not floating? Stopcock grease. Shits like a tube of success
+AvE When I eventually find something good to ship off to canadia for you I'll throw a tube in amazon prime add-on style. That and a tube of glove cream. Keeps your hands baby-ass soft even if your wearin gloves 9 hours a day. So far the only thing i've really wanted to send you is a gorgeous spencer lens microtome pages.vassar.edu/vcap/wp-content/blogs.dir/339/files/biology/bio-28.jpg i ended up with two of, but it weighs like 100 pounds so thats not gettin shipped by mail no way, i'm not made of money haha
Since I subbed a while ago I've picked up on these rules through your content and has made life around the shop a lot simpler. Everyone who does DIY shit and has more than a middleschool dropout edumacation should be subbed to your channel, man.
Him- The damn thing won't work! Me- did you engage the thingamajig? Him- yes, I'm telling you, I tried everything. Me- let me see this thing.... I walk over to the thing and engage the thingamajig and presto, it works. Pretty much the story of 80% of my troubleshooting woes 🐸
Reminds me of a time we were sent down to the south coast of England to rebuild a boat engine that was not producing enough power, ten minutes later we left the job after tightening the throttle cable! Not believing people, doesn't that make you a cynic? Works for me.
I was walking down the street one day and a man was taking out his garbage. I noticed a new cordless drill on top. I asked is that drill good? He said no and that I could have it. Upon picking it up I noticed the speed slider on the top , I pushed it forward and the drill ran in both speeds and was perfect. The man said unbelievable, but you can have it I don't deserve it . Unbelievable.
I threw a broken air compressor in the trash. My garbage man took it home, removed a cover and tightened up a loose hose clamp. He brought it back to me the next week and it still works perfect 10 years later.
I repair electric power tools and petrol/electric garden equipment/ 90% fall into two faults, 1 power lead is broken 2 switch is damaged. Petrol equipment the faults are 90% carburettor blocked, 10% spark plug
When I was in the forklift business, we had a customer that was going through forklift tires once a month. The customer asked what do you think is wrong? I replied: "the operator head space is out of adjustment"
The “rules” that I was taught by the old guys when I started my job. Rule 1, If it doesn’t move, and it is supposed to move, Grease it. Rule 2, If it moves, and it’s not supposed to move, tighten it. Rule 3, if it’s alive, and it’s not where it’s supposed to be, kill it. Rule 4, if it’s rusty, paint it.
I watched this video 7 years ago when it came out, since adopting these rules I've not come across anything I couldn't fix with the right amount of research, tools, and effort.
When I bought my lathe (for a song and a dance and a half a glass of beer mind you), I was told the power feeds didn't work (either of them). First thing I did when I got home was try them (they were indeed broken), a couple hand built parts and some new half nuts and I have a great old lathe for basically nothing.
Thank you for being of the few people that are smart enough to properly position the phone/camera to get a good image. There are TOO many people that record video in the terrible vertical format. Cheers, friend!
Forgot Rule #1, know how its supposed to work before trying to figure out how its not working. 😉 you obviously did but often guys dive into trouble shooting without even knowing what its ultimately supposed to be doing.
That last shot is a thing of beauty! In electronic/electrical troubleshooting, I use an additional premise, which is "divide and conquer". Breakdown hugely complicated issues into bite-sized chunks. After finding the issue in one small area and correcting it, reassemble all systems together for a harmonic symphony. In circuit design, my method is "first principles". What is the original problem we are addressing? What is the simplest way to attack it? What facts do we know, and what methods can be used therefore that are applicable to a solution? Fixing things is fun, but "creating" is funnier. Funniest. Furriest.
I find these are good principles for troubleshooting. But I feel it should be 4 rules; and the first being “understand the system/equipment you are working on.” If you don’t have a solid understanding of what equipment is supposed to do you’re only limiting your chances for effective repair.
so basicly dont trust the assessments of other people nor yourself unless you remember it being tested in front of your own eyes like it was 2 minutes ago.
Yup, as my friend says: "i don't even trust myself!" That's why i always double check my work. If i have to triple check because i'm not sure... or looking for a screwdriver, that sticks out of my pocket, it means this is a good time to stop working and call it a day :D Oh, and one more thing - NEVER TOUCH A RUNNNING SYSTEM ;) We have a saying here that i could translate as "better" is the enemy of "good";)
I found your page a few 4 6 weeks ago. Love it can't get enough. My old man was a tool and die maker shortly after he left the military till the day he died. Watching you fuck around in the shop brings back tons of memories of me and the old man far back as I can remember. Keep fukkin choochin buddy!
Yes, these ARE the top 3 tips for troubleshooting. I can't count how many times I got a phone call asking for the single most expensive part the client could think of and I usually get there to double check then fix the problems with my hands and a screw driver or just a long speech to the operator. Pretty much sums up all 3 tips right there...
I did support level maintenance for most of my military career. It didn't take me long to learn when Rule 2 applied and when I could believe that the site mechanics actually did what they said they did.
I watched a factory worker purposely destroy a machine,just because she needed a break. She stuck a screw driver in the die and slamo! junk. I told the boss but being she was related ( they all were) It fell on def ears. One time,they almost shipped the foremans son to another town because he crawled in a parts box to pass out from drinking. We heard him banging inside the already bound and labled shipping crate or he would have ended up on the truck. The ride on a fork lift woke him up I guess. They only gave him three days suspension.I witnessed many acts of vandalism and stupidity at the shops I worked at. No wonder US jobs ended up in other countrys.I fixed many machines that really were not broke,just badly adjusted. I threw out 31 computers that had nothing wrong with them. They were donated by a charity. Once the schools went on their own server,they just threw the donated ones out. Monitors,key boards you name it. I saw more waste going on. I salvaged a bunch of heavy duty sewing machines that were getting tossed,because they were not electronic. Nothing wrong with any of them. I gave most of them away.
I know someone who would deliberately smash a machine up if he didn't like running it. The supervisor got wise to him in the end and always gave him the easy jobs.
I knew a guy who used to work in the Rolls Royce factory in the bad old days - late seventies. According to him deliberate vandalism of cars on the line was commonplace then. But management and QC practices were also an issue - apparently they would add a radseal type product as standard to the radiator fluid to try to prevent leaks in the less than perfect labyrinthine cooling system. Apparently without it they would piss antifreeze. Not British Engineering's finest moment - unlike the beautiful beautiful lathe in this video.
Had the same thing when I bought a 4x4 from a friend. "That lever there that says low gear, dont use that". 2 years later driving up a hill at break neck speed with same friend "why don't you use low gear?"....... Son of a diddly
I fucking love this channel. Real advice and no bull. You're the first (and so far only) person I support on Patreon. Love the tear-downs and manly-man skills videos. Keep it up man, I'm always itchin' for a new video!
I just diagnosed and fixed a confuser problem using these lessons and I thought of them as I worked and they all came true especially the don’t rely on the other guy.
Its been almost six years since this video was made....hope you're still breathing & learning. Anyway I just saw this vid and thought to myself....I'm going to help this fellow think better. That's right, but to what am I referring to....well you said "3 rules to troubleshooting," but then you provide three ways to implement courses of action. Relying on my education and personal experience fixing car and machinery problems I can say that troubleshooting and course of action are two distinctly different things. I know that in order to be effective at troubleshooting you must be able to first identify "what broke." After positively identifying what broke then you must conclusively know "why did it brake." Knowing exactly what broke and why did it brake is the process of troubleshooting anything that can brake and/or stop working. Now and only now can will any thinking person be able to implement course of actions....such as trying the easiest thing you can do to remedy the problem. A good example of this can be illustrated when a regular household lamp stops shining its light....it could be that the lamp itself broke, or the light bulb broke, or the electric supply stop working, etc. We just don't know, but the best course of action will be to "try the easiest thing" you can do....replace the light bulb! I'm not an electrician but I can say that 9 out of 10 times it will be the bulb and nothing else. Trying the easiest thing you can do is not troubleshooting ....trouble shooting came before when you were considering all of the things that could have broken. Don't rely on the guy that came before you and 90% of problems are human error aren't troubleshooting rules; they're no more than mistakes to avoid. So, here we are, for effective trouble shooting we must know what broke and why did it brake. Afterwards we can then begin implementing fixes starting with trying the easiest thing you can do. :)
I just realised i watched this years ago now im subscrbed and going through all your vids did not realise how good the channel was back then ( missed out a bit )
Your 3 steps are good advice. Had a PhD laser physicist give me a MacIntosh receiver once. He said it had no sound and that a young EE from work had tried to fix it and failed to get it working. I opened up the receiver and saw that it used transistors rather than tubes and that all transistors were socketed. Pulled the transistor data sheet and discovered the young EE must have pulled all the transistors and then reinstalled them rotated by one pin. I installed them all correctly and turned the receiver on. It had sound but there were dropouts when I adjusted the volume. Sprayed the potentiometer with some circuit cleaner and viola - it worked fine. Sold it for $250.
The final close-up of that lathe turning gave me a big warm-fuzzy - always miss my days in the weld/machine shop here. Having all that stuff to play with was pretty damn cool! Cheers bud!
For machinery, always get a copy of the original manuals. Maintenance and adjustment procedures will be in it. Adding a vfd is OK, but not necessary. The motors originally built without frequency drives are not optimal for retrofit. Peak torque is @ operating speed (1750/3500 rpm), and below 60hz the motor suffers. Also, for example, if the motor is 5hp a larger drive is required to run below 60hz. 7.5 - 10 hp. Plus installing a vfd defeats the original safety stop system in the lathe, and a dynamic brake should be added. All metal working machines can be deadly and modifying them should be done by seasoned professionals only. BTW, nice lathe. Brits make some good machines.
As a Professional Anything Repairman... I must agree on ALL of these well made points. I find that it is peoples perception of an issue that leads to their failure to solve the problem. Some can see clearly while others clearly cannot see Grasshopper.
Reminds me of a guy who completely changed his rear crankshaft oil seal while the engine was in the car. He was convinced it was leaking because oil was dripping from the bottom of the bell housing. Turned out to be a leaky oil sender. A $20 screw-in part! Hours of grueling labor for nothing.
It can go the other way. I bought a nice Volvo wagon, for a junk price. On a hunch, that the shop they took it to was wrong, about the main seal. It was the easiest cam seal. The one, that leaks over the back end. Along with a plugged pcv system, that caused the blow out. Six years ago, still going strong.
Okay, bit late to this party but those little Boxfords are cracking little lathes. When I was at school the metalwork shop, boys only, had three of these. I raced Motocross and needed to do lathe types stuff, turning down, threading, chasing threads parting off etc. I couldn't afford a lathe, hell I couldn't even afford cameras or tyres! We my friend who shall remain nameless to protect the innocent would let ourselves into said metalwork facility and do stuff. We'd tidy the machine and put everything back as was. Happy memories and just shows that triumph over adversity is a great driver 🤪😆
Several years ago I was in the Army and living in the barracks. I was the "MacGyver" dude so everyone came to me with all their technical problems. One dude had just spent a gazillion on a high-end sound system and two VCRs so he could record tape to tape. He couldn't get the second vcr to show up on the television. So I listen to his logic and check all the settings on his amplifier and it all looks good. I can't find a problem. The wiring is a huge mess so I decide to unplug everything and start from scratch. It is then that I discover he never plugged the second vcr into his amp. And I tell him that. His responsee? "Yeah, but I have it set on VCR 2." Right, but you have to actually plug it in for it to work. He still isn't getting it. He knew to plug in the first VCR but he thinks the amp and second VCR communicate telepathically or something.
Just had a software test interview. Your 1,2,3, was that same. my experience is what works for hardware is true of software. Nice to see this lathe, first I ever used, and it was belt driven too.
Yep don't trust anyone and don't trust yourself, there's too many fixers out there that think they know what they are doing and wrong they don't, thanks for sharing your thoughts and great videos
When I took Small Engines in highschool, the teacher said "the first thing you check when diagnosing a non-running engine is, does it have gas?" Second thing, "does it have a spark?" Then he said "then you can start looking at all the other things". I apply that same type of thinking to cars when I work on them :D
I have no idea why the RUclips algorithm has put this in my feed. I'm incompetent with anything more complicated than a hammer, and I'm not great with one of those. Anyway- the reason for posting is because it's relevant to this video: I flashed a new ROM to my phone a couple of weeks ago. It didn't go particularly well, but I managed to get to a point where I had a phone with a working, custom ROM. Until yesterday, it got stuck in a boot loop. It would get to a certain point and then just shut down. I spent this morning and some of this afternoon reading others' experiences of this issue, what migfht be the problem, working out what order I was going to try fixes. I was as informed as I was ever going to be, and part of me was thinking of what replacement phone I would be getting if none of this worked. I checked that my PC had the most current versions of ADB and Fastboot, and plugged the phone into an onboard USB (not the USB hub) for added peace of mind. That's when the phone gave a different response to the one I've been having for the last 24 hours. It said "Charging - 1%"...
Yup. First rule of thumb when trouble shooting a military radio PRC 77. Battery, clean connection pins of handset to radio base, freqs, crypto. Great advice....
I'm sure there was a joke about Military radios where you are best just to shoot the thing before you leave base because the bloody thing sure as hell won't work when you actually need it...
KISS was the teaching of my time for fault finding and general engineering. Keep It Simple Stupid..... I cant believe you didnt play with all the buttons and nobs when you got it!! Every boy in his shed should do this, teach you to be so grownup and believe!
we have a great saying in the fire service- "try before you pry" - check to make sure the door is unlocked before breaking it down. so make sure its actually broken first #1?
i always read the manual. one time my old lady laughed at me for reading the manual to my stanley coffee mug. but i read that you should preheat your mug with hot water before putting your coffee into it. common sense i suppose, but i hadn't thought of it. glad i read the manual.
My father was John Muir the author of "How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive: A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot". My dad got millions of people into fixing things.
Your Rule #3 has a handy acronym in the IT world: PEBCAK (Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard). Easily modifiable for anything, just change the letters C and K to fit your needs!
So true. I love fixing up old small engine stuff for the same reason. Owner usually never tells correctly what the problem is, which is usually much simpler than they think. Just recently, I was at the dump and found a nice Toro snowblower. I figured there was probably nothing major wrong with it. I took it, cleaned the carb up and lubricated it and have been using it all winter.
Played this game at work recently. So the floor burnisher was not working. Weak pathetic crank, no chooch. So we charges the battery, charger says good to go, we hook it up, again, weak ass crank, no fire. So down to the parts store I go, orders a new battery. Get the new battery in next day, install it, strong powerful crank, no fire. Feck. Start checking connections, find that the line to the propane bottle, while fastened onto the bottle, has only been tightened about 2/3ds of the way, so it *looks* good, but its not pushed the seal on the tank, and no fuel is going into the machine. Tighten 1/3rd turn, quiet hiss of fuel, crank, fire, purrs like a kitten. This is all after a week, and 3 other people trying to 'fix' it.
those clutches can be fiddly too. My 1946 Logan 820 gets stuck on sometimes and its a real pucker moment as that gets closer and closer to the chuck. been lucky so far but I found it likes a light touch when engaging it. Great machine!
I like your 3 rules but before we get to repairs we need to figure out what the thing is supposed to do (read the manual?) and then look at what it does and does not do. Lastly, we need to be very observant as we move along because that will tell us WHY the darned thing went kaput and we can keep it from happening again!
I work for a fine lighting company and I have to go out on site to troubleshoot ceiling fans often. I never trust that when the Builder says the electrician's tested for voltage in the Box above. About half the time they have it.
A: Accept Nothing
B: Believe No-one
C: Check Everything
You wanna change the B part cus a lot of people can give you great tips . But it all comes to you in the end because its your machine , you know your thing better than anyone else . But true , Human error always happens .
I don't believe you. Gonna re-check.
@@gutenman7112 I agree with you, in this case I would refer to part C though. Seek and accept advice but don't follow blindly.
You’re one of those people that love to organise everything, aren’t you! 😅
I don’t know who worked on this before but they sure didn’t know what they were doing
My 4th rule is "only change and test one variable at a time". I learned that with computers and software but it also applies when I'm in my garage or shop. I really enjoyed your video, thank you!
Somebody in the shop wanted a new lathe so they said the power feed clutch was burnt out in that one and management believed them.
100%
I was thinking the exact same thing
Jokes on him. Tax deductible. More bonus for management.
So you look away when someone is s tree ealing your job?
Do not clean up as a first step. Dirt, stains, accumulation of dust, and other “messiness” often give valuable clues.
Amen...
I once solved a sudden audio problem in a theater by examining which knobs had dust on the sides, and which had dust on the tops.
Caleb Edwards Won’t be too different from one another anyway.
yeah, it's almost like being a CSI-agent, there are always signs, tracks, sound and don't forget to touch stuff.
@Norm T Sadly not allowed where I work. The poor little things might get offended if you question them.
I've just accidentally came across this vid. I served my Engineering apprenticeship at Boxford Machine Tools in the mid and late 60's. Wonderful place to work, full of characters. I remember machining parts for the prototype of this model of lathe in the toolroom, I'm nearly 74 now and would love to go back. My elder brother was the painter there, and most certainly painted this machine. By the way, it's very rare for those clutches to wear out, and they are very easy to repair.
That’s awesome
Wow thats amazing!
number 1 in my books - Understand how it works before its broken
This is damn right... i inherited an old cnc laser cutter, made her chooch good and proper... everything i was told about her was wrong.
Disagree. I have learned a few things because stuff was broken. Fixing stuff has been a fun teacher.
@@OnlyFriesians that only works if you're doing it as a hobby. Not so much when it's your job to know how to fix things.
You should know things ahead of time, so you don't have to figure it out later.
I came here specifically to say that. I knew he wouldn’t mention it
Dam, you had a knob for five years and didn't play with it? Great self control!
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hill billy - just shows he's no wanker
Very funny
Rule no. 2 VERY true. I acquired an old brush type electric motor from a redundant industrial fridge from a few doors away that for years had electricians replacing the brushes every six months. I looked at the wiring setup and noticed it was set up for 3 phase (we dont have a three phase supply in our small village). After a simple adjustment in the connection box, in 15 years I did not have to replace a single brush and the extra power was unbelievable. So much for experts!!!!
Brushed 3 phase motor?
I thought the only rule of troobleshooting was "If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem is electrical" ?
The American components, the Russian components they all made in Taiwan.
Because this is how we fix problem on the Russian Space Station because I don't want to stay here anymore..."
or a big wrench
I thought the rule was "If you can't fix it with a hammer, the hammer isn't big enough".
Wayne Ashby that's How my ol woman was thinkin, turns out the problem was e'lick'trical.
@Frank Winkhorst so Jeremy Clarkson used to be a suprintendant?
My personal favorite approach to solving any problem is attributed to the guy that ran Delco back in the 60s: "A problem well-stated is half solved." My method goes like this: state the problem out loud, in very specific terms as if you're explaining it to someone that is just walking into the scene. Chances are that at a certain point in your description you'll realize where the problem lies. 👍🏾
A friend of mine was an expert in electric forklift repair. One day I asked him, what is your secret to these repairs?
He replied:"start at the key"
Excellent advice.
I found that the best place to start with a electric lift truck repair was to start at the battery. Then work your way to the key!
@Caleb Edwards The battery is also a great place to start. Also, another hidden problem could be the battery charger.
It ain't got no gas in it ....
Start at key and go which way? In between key and seat.
@@noahway13 the crotch?
golden rule numero uno: LOOK FOR THINGS OUT OF PLACE....
rule number 5: factory parts can be DOA right out of the box, even sealed parts
rule number 6: what is different that was recently changed
troubleshooting is like building an engine, you need to verify everything is as it should be, not what you expect it to be as
I’ll be using this to remind my Industrial Electrical Maintenance students. Simple stuff first, always start at the beginning drawings to supplement pictures. Love your videos. Practical-and never boring. Keeping it in a vice.
Well said! I spent 50 years in the maintenance and instruction of aircraft maintenance. While practicing as an aircraft maintenance engineer, I was required to troubleshoot many defects and as an instructor of aircraft maintenance I was required to instruct troubleshooting. Your steps 1and 2 are what I always presented to my students, however my third step was to consider the costs in resolving the problem. Then I would continue on to your third step which actually was my forth step.
The need to say my third step stems from the expectations that aircraft are always expected to be perfect regardless of costs. This is BS don’t believe it.
Very Very true, especially on the guy before you........
I was once INSTRUCTED to do a top end rebuild on a non start car...... "apparently" no compression, i never double checked, why would I? the "Master Technician" had diagnosed it!
Stripped and rebuilt her and alas, still no start!
Long story short, it was out of fuel and the fuel gauge was stuck at half.... many, many, many spanners, screwdrivers, hammers and other assorted hand tools were banjo'd about the workshop that day i can tell you!
thats the most expensive 5 litres of fuel anyone ever bought............ £1300! (about $1.2M if you are reading this after the US goes broke, or $2600 in '15 )
yup they charged the customer! and i promptly left!
Needless to say that place went bust about 8 weeks after i'd gotten the fudge out of Rodge!
+Bindo about $1.2M if you are reading this after the US goes broke, or $2600 in '15
that part is gold. Because of that part I will remember your story and this video if something like that happens to me in the future, and it probably will.
+Bindo Yeah...reminds me of a bronco 2 I dropped off at the dealer to be repaired . I gave them full details of the failure. (radiator core leaked unto the emergency fuel cutoff breaker) A few hours after I dropped it off I get a phone call from the dealer explaining that they were going to charge me xxx amount of dollars to take the trailer hitch off to to get at the fuel tank /fuel pump. I then called the service manager. Another time I dropped my car off at pep boys for tires and alignment...they called me into the shop and demonstrated a thunk by hitting the tire with a block of wood. They said your rack and pinion is bad......xxx amount of dollars to repair. I said "I don't think so.....took it home and adjusted the front wheel bearings.....called the service manager ...he gave me a free set of shocks for my aggravation and time.
+Bindo
I have had people say their car is broken, so i have them crank it over, then find the "fuel pressure" nipple on the fuel rail and poke it with a screwdriver... and that usually shows what the problems is.
I always try to "dumb down" what ever it is im trying to fix. things are only complicated when you make them that way. Your example is what happens when someone thinks that because they "know a lot" means that they can dissect a problem to the tiniest detail, only to be way off. In reality getting "close enough" is usually way more accurate.
Occam's Razor - the simplest answer is probably the correct one. Kinda like remembering to check the fuses before stripping out the ECM/alternator/fuel pump/whatever and testing all the wires and connections.
reminds me of the other day boss calls "can you pick me up a new thermostat this ones not working the heats not coming on" yea yea sure boss man. go in get a cheapo $50 one and take it out pop it in, eh still no worky worky what the f yo. long story short boss man put the wrong pokey bit in the wrong receptacle when replacing the thermostat, fryed the fuse. $50 for a fuse.
3 Rules of a technician.
#1 If it aint broke dont fix it.
#2 if it is broke check for warranty and have someone else fix it.
#3 ask google how to fix it
b t you forgot, when the 2nd laptop was malfunctioning, my wife had bought. troubleshooting and getting replacement parts was a breeze, then procrastinate 6 months - a year. To repair it. When finally getting down to repairing it and realizing i lost the new parts. Then Look for parts for hours upon hours. Finally find parts. Of course, Realize parts are incorrect. Go to shop to get new parts for a second time. Have a flat on the drive there. skid then flip multiple times off into the median Impaling myself on the unkept branches of a very large oak tree. Catch fire and burn to an excruciating death. Meanwhile, at home while I'm burning and smoldering from head to toe my wife finally finds the adapter for the 2nd laptop she forgot to give me last year.
So whats the tips for the "Warranty technician" ?
@@gutenman7112 If we can't fix it in ten minutes or less,
1: report unit as unsalvageable(your company time is worth more than the parts)
2: replace unit
3: junk old unit
4: file the manufacturers warranty reimbursement form.
Other businesses(fields) may vary. These were the actual steps at one warranty certified place for low dollar items.
Warranty Technician:
1. 2. 3.) Rip off customer
Job done.
4th rule -put the tools down and forget about it, you aint no technician after all!!
These three tips are the bible of troubleshooting. Sometimes it's difficult to get away from the previous guys advice due to their being aggressively helpful. :-)
+Thema inproblem Don't forget about splitting problem's in half. Always works for me on larger complicated messes.
+Thema inproblem I troubleshoot for a living and will ALWAYS ask the customer/owner of the device what the problem is and then immediately put the device through its job to try to recreate the problem or see for myself. Anything they say they have tried I ignore....if they knew what they were doing they would not be calling me :D
+AvE Some days I get a lot done. Other days I have help.
Levi Blaney
A great point. Splitting the problem in half (when possible) should certainly be included in the list.
Andrew Reilman
Yours is a great point as well! Taking advice or direction from the problem provider is most likely just a huge waste of time. They should just tell us what's not happening that should be and then just go away.
I happen to work in one of the best fab shops in the world. We manufacture the things that scare other shops away.
I will never tire of watching chips fly and arcs glow. it is therapy for the soul.
Congratulations on "fixing" the beast.
So true! I'm doing repairs for fun for random people once a month (you have "Repair Cafes" in Canada?) and had all of these cases just yesterday.
A guy had taken apart an electric lawn mower because it wouldn't work anymore. He went at it with several tools, checked motor coils with a multimeter aso. He pronounced it dead and had just screwed it back together to haul it to the dump in one piece. I asked him if I should have a look suspecting the safety trigger (he said he checked) because they get worn with time/misuse and just need a little bit more persuasion. Worked on first try... So a 1, 2 and 3 in one.
Amen brother I've learned when someone says"it don't work" to just shake my head and check it out anyway. People get offended sometimes, that is till they see me get it to work.
Why is it so satisfying to watch a piece of metal being cut?
are you referring to the damn-near mirror shine on the machined bit, or the fact that a good chunk of 'er came off in a single spiral shaving?
i dont know... both?
Because the court awarded you half of everything, including her Porsche?
@Lod dude: LOL not sure which part of cutting the diamonds was more pleasing, the science of cutting them or her screams.
'Cause it goes smotthly.
5 years of givin it the ole hand job! 😆
When the frigg did they add a 'winky face' to the Unicode characters‽
+Brandon Fesser Unicode has gone a little mad, there is a code for everything now. The idea is to have a single encoding format for every symbol/letter/pictogram on the planet, which means they have gone a bit nuts and just sucked up every little symbol they stumble across. Last I checked they were over 120k assigned characters/symbols. Hell every single emoji is in there now and emoji only exists because Japanese phone companies realised they could send images over the text message system using barely any bandwidth by encoding them as characters back in the 90's.
+Mittau I don't even know what an "emoji" is...
+Mittau
H°ly shit
omg i'd die from the spontainious amount of joy that'd hit me when i first saw it move itself xd then as a ghost cry in regert that id not figured out sooner.
Might be in the coments all ready.
ANY "WALK-UP" to any POWER FEED machine you didn't set up or are not familliar with, get the tool / spindle / AWAY from the work peice and the machines travel surfaces, BEFORE you turn on the spindle, and BEFORE You engage any feed.
If the "Why" isnt obvious, I suggest some other type of endeavor.
The airplane maintainers always called the "organic error" a problem with the Stick Actuator or the Rudder Pedal/Control Stick Interface Unit. I've also found that a failure in a machine can almost always be blamed on a lack of maintenance, and that "good enough" probably isn't. And yea, if someone says "I already tried that!", do it again.. They are probably an idiot....
But this really doesn't sort my windows 10 issue
Twitchi you're not doing it right
Yeah, Twitchi's using windows 10.
Cos your on apple
Twitchi Did you spray it with WD 40?
not2stupidguitar heat it and beat it
Here in the lab we've got three rules too
Is it moving when it shouldnt? Apply lab tape
Is it not moving when it should? Apply vacuum oil
Is it leaking? Apply stopcock grease
That covers pretty much everything.
Also, I gotta send you some stopcock grease. Super super high gravity inert silicone grease. Its amazing. Evaporative emissions error on your car? Stopcock grease. Leaky carb pulling air and running lean? Stopcock grease. Sunroof leaking? Stopcock grease. Boat leaking? Stopcock grease. Horrible hand wound dressing a deer? Stopcock grease. Flies and leader not floating? Stopcock grease.
Shits like a tube of success
+Lettuce Is that expensive elixir?
+GunFun ZS Nah its pretty cheap
www.amazon.com/Dow-Corning-Vacuum-Lubricant-5-3oz/dp/B001UHMNW0
+AvE When I eventually find something good to ship off to canadia for you I'll throw a tube in amazon prime add-on style. That and a tube of glove cream. Keeps your hands baby-ass soft even if your wearin gloves 9 hours a day.
So far the only thing i've really wanted to send you is a gorgeous spencer lens microtome pages.vassar.edu/vcap/wp-content/blogs.dir/339/files/biology/bio-28.jpg i ended up with two of, but it weighs like 100 pounds so thats not gettin shipped by mail no way, i'm not made of money haha
If your wife's not in the mood - Stopcock grease!?
@@MaturePatriot I like. One more toast to the magical stopcock grease. What a name!
"I understand your frustration. Have you tried kicking it?"
- Beavis
Since I subbed a while ago I've picked up on these rules through your content and has made life around the shop a lot simpler. Everyone who does DIY shit and has more than a middleschool dropout edumacation should be subbed to your channel, man.
Him- The damn thing won't work!
Me- did you engage the thingamajig?
Him- yes, I'm telling you, I tried everything.
Me- let me see this thing....
I walk over to the thing and engage the thingamajig and presto, it works. Pretty much the story of 80% of my troubleshooting woes 🐸
Reminds me of a time we were sent down to the south coast of England to rebuild a boat engine that was not producing enough power, ten minutes later we left the job after tightening the throttle cable!
Not believing people, doesn't that make you a cynic? Works for me.
@Norm T if you have ample work there is no reason to dupe customers, and no excuse even if you haven't.
A machinist I worked for from southern illinois told me: "A good machinist never trusts anything" I live by that.
Was this Bill Davis by chance, Ware Illinois area
I'dn't trust him
I was walking down the street one day and a man was taking out his garbage. I noticed a new cordless drill on top. I asked is that drill good? He said no and that I could have it. Upon picking it up I noticed the speed slider on the top , I pushed it forward and the drill ran in both speeds and was perfect. The man said unbelievable, but you can have it I don't deserve it .
Unbelievable.
Gianfranco Fronzi That was an honorable man.
I threw a broken air compressor in the trash. My garbage man took it home, removed a cover and tightened up a loose hose clamp. He brought it back to me the next week and it still works perfect 10 years later.
I repair electric power tools and petrol/electric garden equipment/ 90% fall into two faults,
1 power lead is broken
2 switch is damaged.
Petrol equipment the faults are 90% carburettor blocked, 10% spark plug
When I was in the forklift business, we had a customer that was going through forklift tires once a month.
The customer asked what do you think is wrong?
I replied: "the operator head space is out of adjustment"
The “rules” that I was taught by the old guys when I started my job.
Rule 1, If it doesn’t move, and it is supposed to move, Grease it.
Rule 2, If it moves, and it’s not supposed to move, tighten it.
Rule 3, if it’s alive, and it’s not where it’s supposed to be, kill it.
Rule 4, if it’s rusty, paint it.
I watched this video 7 years ago when it came out, since adopting these rules I've not come across anything I couldn't fix with the right amount of research, tools, and effort.
When I bought my lathe (for a song and a dance and a half a glass of beer mind you), I was told the power feeds didn't work (either of them). First thing I did when I got home was try them (they were indeed broken), a couple hand built parts and some new half nuts and I have a great old lathe for basically nothing.
Thank you for being of the few people that are smart enough to properly position the phone/camera to get a good image. There are TOO many people that record video in the terrible vertical format.
Cheers, friend!
Forgot Rule #1, know how its supposed to work before trying to figure out how its not working. 😉 you obviously did but often guys dive into trouble shooting without even knowing what its ultimately supposed to be doing.
Know what readings you should get, before doing a test.
That last shot is a thing of beauty!
In electronic/electrical troubleshooting, I use an additional premise, which is "divide and conquer". Breakdown hugely complicated issues into bite-sized chunks. After finding the issue in one small area and correcting it, reassemble all systems together for a harmonic symphony.
In circuit design, my method is "first principles". What is the original problem we are addressing? What is the simplest way to attack it? What facts do we know, and what methods can be used therefore that are applicable to a solution?
Fixing things is fun, but "creating" is funnier. Funniest. Furriest.
I find these are good principles for troubleshooting. But I feel it should be 4 rules; and the first being “understand the system/equipment you are working on.”
If you don’t have a solid understanding of what equipment is supposed to do you’re only limiting your chances for effective repair.
In audio engineering, we have a saying called RTFM - read the fucking manual. Probably applies to machining as well.
One of the best videos I’ve seen on RUclips, in a decade. Informative, funny, and to-the-freaking-point. Well done!!!
so basicly dont trust the assessments of other people nor yourself unless you remember it being tested in front of your own eyes like it was 2 minutes ago.
Yup, as my friend says: "i don't even trust myself!" That's why i always double check my work. If i have to triple check because i'm not sure... or looking for a screwdriver, that sticks out of my pocket, it means this is a good time to stop working and call it a day :D
Oh, and one more thing - NEVER TOUCH A RUNNNING SYSTEM ;) We have a saying here that i could translate as "better" is the enemy of "good";)
Or the less verbose version: trust but verify.
I found your page a few 4 6 weeks ago. Love it can't get enough. My old man was a tool and die maker shortly after he left the military till the day he died. Watching you fuck around in the shop brings back tons of memories of me and the old man far back as I can remember. Keep fukkin choochin buddy!
LTFW. Last thing fucked with is usually the problem.
Yes, these ARE the top 3 tips for troubleshooting.
I can't count how many times I got a phone call asking for the single most expensive part the client could think of and I usually get there to double check then fix the problems with my hands and a screw driver or just a long speech to the operator. Pretty much sums up all 3 tips right there...
I was a maintenance man for 22 years.
1. Listen to the operator.
2. Look for yourself.
3. Talk to other repair men.
I did support level maintenance for most of my military career. It didn't take me long to learn when Rule 2 applied and when I could believe that the site mechanics actually did what they said they did.
I watched a factory worker purposely destroy a machine,just because she needed a break. She stuck a screw driver in the die and slamo! junk. I told the boss but being she was related ( they all were) It fell on def ears. One time,they almost shipped the foremans son to another town because he crawled in a parts box to pass out from drinking. We heard him banging inside the already bound and labled shipping crate or he would have ended up on the truck. The ride on a fork lift woke him up I guess. They only gave him three days suspension.I witnessed many acts of vandalism and stupidity at the shops I worked at. No wonder US jobs ended up in other countrys.I fixed many machines that really were not broke,just badly adjusted. I threw out 31 computers that had nothing wrong with them. They were donated by a charity. Once the schools went on their own server,they just threw the donated ones out. Monitors,key boards you name it. I saw more waste going on. I salvaged a bunch of heavy duty sewing machines that were getting tossed,because they were not electronic. Nothing wrong with any of them. I gave most of them away.
You might like "Extract (3/11) Movie CLIP - One Nut Freak Accident (2009) HD"
I know someone who would deliberately smash a machine up if he didn't like running it. The supervisor got wise to him in the end and always gave him the easy jobs.
Does these kind of deliberate vandalism still happen ? We here in the east always praise the work ethics of west.
@@AjayKumar-fd9mv
'The grass is greener' mindset is strong in all cultures...
I knew a guy who used to work in the Rolls Royce factory in the bad old days - late seventies. According to him deliberate vandalism of cars on the line was commonplace then. But management and QC practices were also an issue - apparently they would add a radseal type product as standard to the radiator fluid to try to prevent leaks in the less than perfect labyrinthine cooling system. Apparently without it they would piss antifreeze. Not British Engineering's finest moment - unlike the beautiful beautiful lathe in this video.
Had the same thing when I bought a 4x4 from a friend. "That lever there that says low gear, dont use that". 2 years later driving up a hill at break neck speed with same friend "why don't you use low gear?"....... Son of a diddly
I'll take your advice.✨👍🏻
Okay...
He went before you, so I wouldn't
RUclips keeps throwing random informational videos at me.
Can't help but feel more ready for life.
I fucking love this channel. Real advice and no bull. You're the first (and so far only) person I support on Patreon. Love the tear-downs and manly-man skills videos. Keep it up man, I'm always itchin' for a new video!
I just diagnosed and fixed a confuser problem using these lessons and I thought of them as I worked and they all came true especially the don’t rely on the other guy.
3:50 Of course he's gone mad with power, have you ever gone mad without power? It's boring and no one listens to you.
Diddly!
Its been almost six years since this video was made....hope you're still breathing & learning. Anyway I just saw this vid and thought to myself....I'm going to help this fellow think better. That's right, but to what am I referring to....well you said "3 rules to troubleshooting," but then you provide three ways to implement courses of action. Relying on my education and personal experience fixing car and machinery problems I can say that troubleshooting and course of action are two distinctly different things. I know that in order to be effective at troubleshooting you must be able to first identify "what broke." After positively identifying what broke then you must conclusively know "why did it brake." Knowing exactly what broke and why did it brake is the process of troubleshooting anything that can brake and/or stop working. Now and only now can will any thinking person be able to implement course of actions....such as trying the easiest thing you can do to remedy the problem. A good example of this can be illustrated when a regular household lamp stops shining its light....it could be that the lamp itself broke, or the light bulb broke, or the electric supply stop working, etc. We just don't know, but the best course of action will be to "try the easiest thing" you can do....replace the light bulb! I'm not an electrician but I can say that 9 out of 10 times it will be the bulb and nothing else. Trying the easiest thing you can do is not troubleshooting ....trouble shooting came before when you were considering all of the things that could have broken. Don't rely on the guy that came before you and 90% of problems are human error aren't troubleshooting rules; they're no more than mistakes to avoid. So, here we are, for effective trouble shooting we must know what broke and why did it brake. Afterwards we can then begin implementing fixes starting with trying the easiest thing you can do. :)
#1 do the easiest thing first. If you want to know the easiest, quickest, and probably safest way to do anything ask the laziest person in the shop.
If you do that, you'll more often than not get a response of, "I dunno", if not a simple shrug.
@@Fireholder1
Laziest route is sandbag and give it to the next guy
Always work smarter, not harder
Ask the laziest person with the cleanest work area. I've seen too many "it'll do" jobs that i fixed after them.
Hello from Halifax, nice to see a proper machine still going and the company still going too!
That feel when you're watching from Halifax - England
I just realised i watched this years ago now im subscrbed and going through all your vids did not realise how good the channel was back then ( missed out a bit )
1. Hammer
2. Bigger Hammer
3. Buy a new one
FIXED
Your 3 steps are good advice. Had a PhD laser physicist give me a MacIntosh receiver once. He said it had no sound and that a young EE from work had tried to fix it and failed to get it working. I opened up the receiver and saw that it used transistors rather than tubes and that all transistors were socketed. Pulled the transistor data sheet and discovered the young EE must have pulled all the transistors and then reinstalled them rotated by one pin. I installed them all correctly and turned the receiver on. It had sound but there were dropouts when I adjusted the volume. Sprayed the potentiometer with some circuit cleaner and viola - it worked fine. Sold it for $250.
If it is supposed to move and doesn't. Put wd40 on it. If it is not supposed to move and does. Duct tape it. Story done ;)
Kyle Go Hawks Joan rivers
Old Navy saying: if it moves, grease it. If it doesn't move, paint it.
The final close-up of that lathe turning gave me a big warm-fuzzy - always miss my days in the weld/machine shop here. Having all that stuff to play with was pretty damn cool!
Cheers bud!
For machinery, always get a copy of the original manuals. Maintenance and adjustment procedures will be in it.
Adding a vfd is OK, but not necessary.
The motors originally built without frequency drives are not optimal for retrofit.
Peak torque is @ operating speed (1750/3500 rpm), and below 60hz the motor suffers.
Also, for example, if the motor is 5hp a larger drive is required to run below 60hz. 7.5 - 10 hp.
Plus installing a vfd defeats the original safety stop system in the lathe, and a dynamic brake should be added.
All metal working machines can be deadly and modifying them should be done by seasoned professionals only.
BTW, nice lathe. Brits make some good machines.
Unfortunately now it’s a case of we made good machines
@@porkerthepig the same here, okuma, kitagawa, are good machines today
As a Professional Anything Repairman... I must agree on ALL of these well made points. I find that it is peoples perception of an issue that leads to their failure to solve the problem. Some can see clearly while others clearly cannot see Grasshopper.
Reminds me of a guy who completely changed his rear crankshaft oil seal while the engine was in the car. He was convinced it was leaking because oil was dripping from the bottom of the bell housing. Turned out to be a leaky oil sender. A $20 screw-in part! Hours of grueling labor for nothing.
It can go the other way. I bought a nice Volvo wagon, for a junk price. On a hunch, that the shop they took it to was wrong, about the main seal. It was the easiest cam seal. The one, that leaks over the back end. Along with a plugged pcv system, that caused the blow out.
Six years ago, still going strong.
You know he's cool because he uses the other three fingers when trying to express numbers. Really love this content, keep it coming
PICNIC error: Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.
File an ID10T report
We used to call it a PEBKAC error in my tech support days. Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.
Okay, bit late to this party but those little Boxfords are cracking little lathes. When I was at school the metalwork shop, boys only, had three of these. I raced Motocross and needed to do lathe types stuff, turning down, threading, chasing threads parting off etc. I couldn't afford a lathe, hell I couldn't even afford cameras or tyres! We my friend who shall remain nameless to protect the innocent would let ourselves into said metalwork facility and do stuff. We'd tidy the machine and put everything back as was. Happy memories and just shows that triumph over adversity is a great driver 🤪😆
Several years ago I was in the Army and living in the barracks. I was the "MacGyver" dude so everyone came to me with all their technical problems.
One dude had just spent a gazillion on a high-end sound system and two VCRs so he could record tape to tape.
He couldn't get the second vcr to show up on the television.
So I listen to his logic and check all the settings on his amplifier and it all looks good. I can't find a problem.
The wiring is a huge mess so I decide to unplug everything and start from scratch. It is then that I discover he never plugged the second vcr into his amp. And I tell him that.
His responsee? "Yeah, but I have it set on VCR 2."
Right, but you have to actually plug it in for it to work. He still isn't getting it.
He knew to plug in the first VCR but he thinks the amp and second VCR communicate telepathically or something.
pfft
That's easy for you to say. :)
Driver, truck won'start.
Me playing mechanic, set gear to park.
sounds like an officer...
Sage advise for sure... 👍
Cracking little lathe you got there, with an exceptional spindle bore (1 3/8"), for the size of the machine...
always check your grounds
Just had a software test interview.
Your 1,2,3, was that same. my experience is what works for hardware is true of software.
Nice to see this lathe, first I ever used, and it was belt driven too.
Yep don't trust anyone and don't trust yourself, there's too many fixers out there that think they know what they are doing and wrong they don't, thanks for sharing your thoughts and great videos
I laugh along with this Gent more so than any other of my subscribed channels.
That clean surface left at the end of the video is very satisfying!
#5 DO NOT TAKE Bubba's word for it! He married his sister and is raising hit neph-son.
EXACTLY...NEVER LISTEN TO A HILLBILLY
When I took Small Engines in highschool, the teacher said "the first thing you check when diagnosing a non-running engine is, does it have gas?" Second thing, "does it have a spark?" Then he said "then you can start looking at all the other things". I apply that same type of thinking to cars when I work on them :D
I have no idea why the RUclips algorithm has put this in my feed. I'm incompetent with anything more complicated than a hammer, and I'm not great with one of those.
Anyway- the reason for posting is because it's relevant to this video: I flashed a new ROM to my phone a couple of weeks ago. It didn't go particularly well, but I managed to get to a point where I had a phone with a working, custom ROM. Until yesterday, it got stuck in a boot loop. It would get to a certain point and then just shut down. I spent this morning and some of this afternoon reading others' experiences of this issue, what migfht be the problem, working out what order I was going to try fixes. I was as informed as I was ever going to be, and part of me was thinking of what replacement phone I would be getting if none of this worked. I checked that my PC had the most current versions of ADB and Fastboot, and plugged the phone into an onboard USB (not the USB hub) for added peace of mind. That's when the phone gave a different response to the one I've been having for the last 24 hours. It said "Charging - 1%"...
Yup. First rule of thumb when trouble shooting a military radio PRC 77. Battery, clean connection pins of handset to radio base, freqs, crypto. Great advice....
I'm sure there was a joke about Military radios where you are best just to shoot the thing before you leave base because the bloody thing sure as hell won't work when you actually need it...
KISS was the teaching of my time for fault finding and general engineering.
Keep It Simple Stupid.....
I cant believe you didnt play with all the buttons and nobs when you got it!! Every boy in his shed should do this, teach you to be so grownup and believe!
Every man should play with his knob?
we have a great saying in the fire service- "try before you pry" - check to make sure the door is unlocked before breaking it down. so make sure its actually broken first #1?
In the sled/atv shops we used to call most problems a steering nut issue. :-)
And NEVER depend on someone elses diagnosis!!
Colin
i always read the manual. one time my old lady laughed at me for reading the manual to my stanley coffee mug. but i read that you should preheat your mug with hot water before putting your coffee into it. common sense i suppose, but i hadn't thought of it. glad i read the manual.
My father was John Muir the author of "How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive: A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot". My dad got millions of people into fixing things.
Awesome! I have that book
@@_Lightning_Dog_ nice!
You sir are on point on human error. Watching this phenomena for 38 years.
1.5 Check the gargle machine for a list of easy things to try
Your Rule #3 has a handy acronym in the IT world: PEBCAK (Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard).
Easily modifiable for anything, just change the letters C and K to fit your needs!
All too true.
When I hear something was inspected, tested, "looked at", that's the first thing I go to - it's probably been fuckered.
Absolutely, great advice. Just like the privet that says the lawnmower broke down,only to discover it ran out of gas.
"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer."
Albert Einstein
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" *And* I'm so smart "
So true. I love fixing up old small engine stuff for the same reason. Owner usually never tells correctly what the problem is, which is usually much simpler than they think. Just recently, I was at the dump and found a nice Toro snowblower. I figured there was probably nothing major wrong with it. I took it, cleaned the carb up and lubricated it and have been using it all winter.
Played this game at work recently. So the floor burnisher was not working. Weak pathetic crank, no chooch. So we charges the battery, charger says good to go, we hook it up, again, weak ass crank, no fire. So down to the parts store I go, orders a new battery. Get the new battery in next day, install it, strong powerful crank, no fire. Feck. Start checking connections, find that the line to the propane bottle, while fastened onto the bottle, has only been tightened about 2/3ds of the way, so it *looks* good, but its not pushed the seal on the tank, and no fuel is going into the machine. Tighten 1/3rd turn, quiet hiss of fuel, crank, fire, purrs like a kitten. This is all after a week, and 3 other people trying to 'fix' it.
Assumptions will sneak up on you and bite you every time.
If you didnt fix it, it ain't been fixed
I'm a programmer and can say this is the best explanation of debugging a bug you were handed I've ever seen,
every lathe should have a warning label "caution: use of this machine may become addicting"
This advice is 100% perfect, absolute gospel. Great presentation!👍🏻
What's wrong with the lathe. It's Too Small?
Do you happen to drive an old 28 foot Cadillac???
Just Asking....
@John Doe Hello, maybe were kin!
those clutches can be fiddly too. My 1946 Logan 820 gets stuck on sometimes and its a real pucker moment as that gets closer and closer to the chuck. been lucky so far but I found it likes a light touch when engaging it. Great machine!
I like your 3 rules but before we get to repairs we need to figure out what the thing is supposed to do (read the manual?) and then look at what it does and does not do. Lastly, we need to be very observant as we move along because that will tell us WHY the darned thing went kaput and we can keep it from happening again!
I work for a fine lighting company and I have to go out on site to troubleshoot ceiling fans often. I never trust that when the Builder says the electrician's tested for voltage in the Box above. About half the time they have it.