What Prometheus 2 COULD have been... Paradise Lost Concept Art
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- What was the earlier versions of Prometheus 2 like? There aren't any scripts available for anything that isn't close to Alien Covenant, so we'll take a look at concept art from Daniel J. Burns, Khang Le, and Carlos Huante to see what the story before and in early Alien Paradise Lost Concept art.
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I liked Prometheus and I was really looking forward to seeing the Engineer's homeworld that would have a strong Giger influence in design on their cities and landscape and seeing other Giger style creatures on their homeworld. This was a big missed opportunity to introduce new monsterous creations inspired by Giger's art and create new horrors. The planet in Alien Covenant doesn't look like their homeworld and looks more like a colony where a group of Engineers settled on. I hope one day maybe we will see their real homeworld.
@@chrisho6874 the artwork and infos on the third movie imply that it was their city.
Nothing to do with giger. Those aren’t xenomorphs.
And as the creation of man and the structures as well as the live engineer in stasis and their capital city of them implies; their species diminished greatly in those many millennia.
The other implication is there is another planet that david was going to destroy in the franchise final 3 or 4th movie because they went to war with him for the genocide and he is going to destroy them once and for all. Ending in the battleship crashing leading to the first alien film
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Interesting story but that would still be a recon since the ship the crew in Alien came across was old-as were the eggs on it.
I was mixed on Prometheus but was intrigued, and wanted to see what the sequel had instore. Unfortunately what we got was very underwhelming and disappointing.
I agree with you completely but i must correct you, the planet we see in Covenant is not the Engineers Homeworld is a colony of another primitive species and if i am not wrong they were created by the Engineers too.
@@valetudo1569 Agreed. I think they messed up not following up more on the Engineers rather than the Xenomorphs. The former rather than the latter is the story Prometheus was opening up.
im honestly devastated we will almost certainly never be able to see Ridley's vision for the franchise on screen. Prometheus was fascinating and all I want is to learn more, but now the studio is going to be too scared (probably for decades at least) to stray too far from what made the first two films so loved.
I really liked Romulus but man all I want is to learn more about the wider Alien universe as Ridley Scott sees it. Guy has some amazing ideas.
Exactly, the studio wants to keep it in a box of strict horror. But if you introduce a new component (the engineers) you'd have to change the genre sort of.
Which I think could work if they work it out the genre and tone to tell the story.
This change happened because of the fans reception to Prometheus. It made the studio rethink their game plan and thus we got Covenant
I hope that if Romulus does well, that it’ll give 20th century studios and Scott incentive to finish the prequels.
In other words, the lack of participation way back eight years before the pandemic when hollywood films could still turn some excellent profits but also Prometheus was an ADULT and mature themed Science Fiction Horror Fantasy movie, I use those four terms because of cryogenic and faster than light travel as well as exotic and hostile ancient alien life forms... also the movie is a mystery story where hints and clues are laid and make you think and notice things while obviously not giving the secret away but that perhaps somehow maybe Ser Scott planned a trilogy but due to resistance to Prometheus resulting in the edited version with religion references or allegory removed far more and we got space slasher Alien Covenant that still tried to maintain and set up Ser Scott's plan but again people did not show up...
So with the planned new film the idea is what will people who claim to be fans do.. and will mature audiences show up who may not be fans... given the recent rubbish of films and some accusations of films being woke even when they really are not like Black Adam DCU film was which just had some corny and preachy dialogue scenes... yet certain fringe internet groups still accused the film of stuff resulting in lower attendance.
This is such a wild narrative to me. There were certainly complaints about needing more Xeno's in Prometheus. But there was also massive amounts of criticism geared to the dumb characters and story telling (despite awesome premise). So why would Scott / studio focus on more Xeno's but give us even worse story telling and even dumber characters in Covenant.
I certainly expected more Xeno's in Prometheus, but was fascinated with the Engineers and wanted more! I think the majority of fans felt this way. I think fans complaining about more Xeno's were a vocal minority. I mean the quality of the film is not a product of Xeno screen time. Yet that's the noise Scott / Studio listen to while ignoring complaints about dumb characters? Makes no sense. You don't even hear from these fans anymore complaining about the lack of Xenos. It shows just how small that group actually was.
And Prometheus made like $400+ million world wide. It was in the top 25 of all R rated box office at the time. So it just seems strange they act like the problem was lack of Xeno's.
@@ZachFazio-v3y literally the single dumbest moment of the entire franchise happened in the first film, the best of the series. This tired, scapegoated argument of “dumb characters” is just factually incorrect. Kane stuck his head right into an egg, on a spaceship, on a random planet. People are stupid. Every single person you ask will say this. Is it really that hard to believe, in the face of such exploration and discovery, that people would make uneducated and rushed decisions?
@@ZachFazio-v3y I do agree, the studio deciding to refocus so HARD after Prometheus was the wrong choice. I didn’t feel it felt as forced adding the xeno into Covenant, but they could’ve added more to that part of the plot. I wish they’d included 15-20 minutes more, like adding “the crossing” or “advent” shorts, makes the film amazing. I personally love Covenant, but it could’ve been so much more.
I really hope Romulus is a spiritual successor to Covenant. Regardless of how anyone feels about the prequels, they’re beautifully made films and still have their moments. Whether they outweigh the cons is personal choice. But I think I speak for most when I say, we deserve some kind of conclusion to David’s story. I’m hoping Romulus connects to the Covenant and David somehow
The facehugger that created the Alien in the movie Alien was older than David. So the timeline doesn't work to credit him with it. I think it was a mistake to try to make a movie focused on Aliens as a sequel to Prometheus because a sequel to Prometheus should've focused on the engineers and focused on the story that film began.
I'm still annoyed that they didn't follow up on the Deacon, finally showing us more canon examples of what results when other lifeforms go through a xeno lifecycle.
We truly lost something great.
@@BasementDweller_ yeah and its I think 12 years already. 7-8 since covenant. Ridley is 86(!) now. :(
Thanks to the nostalgia boomers who poop on anything that isnt alien and aliens. Who demanded for decades just a copy/remake of these movies and anything else or new is bad. Now they got Romulus which is just a boring splatterhouse Mix of 1 and 2 and they STILL dont like it.
I wished the studio never listened to the critics
They made a huge mistake by abandoning this storyline. Ironically I must blame the Alien fans for bashing Prometheus when it first came out
The problem was that the human characters were just so dumb and we got the worse version of the Fifield mutant. If the characters weren't so dumb and seemingly unprepared (not strong glass helmets) and we got the more mutated and cooler looking mutant Fifield, I don't think it would've had as much backlash.
No they did not, it was poorly written, ironically glad you seem to think anyone but Ridley Scott should be at blame
Prometheus was bad
Prometheus was a mess. And the covenant was even bigger mess. Everything that made first two films great was lost. including great cast, screenplay from a talented people, suspense and atmosphere of unknown.
Just a bunch of other movies parts slapped together with some crazy stuff from Rideley in hope of it working somehow.
@@angrynapolean3820how?
Why are people saying that David "created" the xenomorphs? When at best what he did was he "rediscovered" them!!!
Because they muddy the communication as well as deleted a specific scene that referenced this in the theatrical cut, which is what most audiences saw. Thus, this is what they inferred from the narrative. I'm not a big fan of alien Romulus but at least it was direct and concise with what it was trying to tell.
@@jordanwhite352 yeah it was nothing new. Just another splatterhouse predicatble movie like 1 and 2 and a mishmash of both of them. Perfect to shut your brain off and nothing to think about and nothing new to the story. Exactly what the boomer nostalgia fans wanted. And they STILL dont like it either. Cant please these 🤡 at all
Because that's what the actual movie shows
Because that's literally what the movie communicates. All this "neomorph", "protomorph" bullshit is just post-hoc justification by the fans and some of the production crew. And even if he didn't create the Xenomorph, all the variants in Covenant grow and move faster and are generally deadlier, which also makes the concept that much poorer "Yeah the perfect organism actually had much more dangerous variants hundreds of years back, he just evolved to be slower and weaker"
Because ridley said himself david created them
I think that Paradise Lost would have been much much better than Covenant. I blame the fans who were against of not seeing the Xenos in the sequel.
@@tapinewoods3937 the planned third or forth movie would have been amazing. The engineers going to war with david and both getting destroyed. That was the planned ending of this Prometheus frnachise.
I blame you. It is entirely your fault.
@@johnbeans2000 I wasn't a huge Alien fan back in 2017
@@tapinewoods3937 well that's why it failed. If you'd been a fan everything would've been done right back then.
3rd or 4th movie be amazing? What about the first one?@@AbuHajarAlBugatti
Guys, please stop saying David created the xenomorph. He didn't. It's already established in canon that the xeno existed millennia before David. Basic science tells us that if you have access to DNA of an organism with the correct tech, you can possibly replicate it. That's what David did.
the things that the man who literally created the lore says matter more than whats in the canon extended universe..
Established canon doesn't matter because Ridley Scott literally created the IP. There are clues that David didn't create the xenomorph by Scott (images of the xenomorph in the temple in Prometheus IIRC). But for our purposes in the movies David did, either by putting the goo in Shaw's husband's water and/or his ooky Covenant experiments. It's lame. It stinks. But that's what he went with.
@@dante6985 it’s bc he’s trying to kill the xenomorph timeline so he can do his new ai centered movie. He’s been talking about it
Imo he wants to use the alien franchise to get funding for the new movie under the same franchise
@@jacobjacksonsson9375 I'm not sure if I'd go that far. I'd phrase it like this: He was never all that interested in xenomorphs after Alien.
He wanted to do a Chariots of the Gods film (ancient gods worshipped by primitive earth tribes were extraterrestrial) so he shoehorned it into the Alien Universe with the retconning of the Space Jockey as an Engineer who created human life on earth. It was kind of a wonky fit.
Anyway I loved Alien Romulus. Thought it was the 3rd best movie in that IP. Just hated the cgi character, if you catch my drift.
@@jacobjacksonsson9375Tell me you don’t understand a fundamental part of the horror of Alien without saying it…
Xeno’s brutalize their hosts in order to evolve and adapt to their environments. This ever-expansionist idea is shared in an AI wanting to perfect creation or just expand
I know lots of fans hated Promeheus because it wasn't really an "Alien" film, but I went into it fully expecting that. I was looking forward to seeing some other non-Xenomorph types of creatures. I really wish Ridley Scott had stuck to his guns and made Paradise Lost instead of Covenant, since Alien fans ended up still hating that movie anyway. He would have been better off sticking to his own artistic integrity and making a proper sequel to Prometheus that follows through on everything it introduced. What a huge missed opportunity. Would love to see some of these concepts used for a comic or graphic novel taking place before Covenant though!
I think it was less about fans not liking it, and more about the larger $ ticket, the general audience, the casual moviegoers, that didn't like it. Fede Alvarez did say that he wants to continue with Ridleys prequel stories if he does another film.
Prometheus to me failed because most human characters were crap
Some fans are complete idiots. How many times do you need to see the same rinse and repeat script of a stranded crew trying to survive Xenos hunting them?? All for the end to just include some hybrid form and one survivor...Ridley ad an amazing recipe with Prometheus that shed light on major themes of the meaning of life, godhood, hubris etc. The Engineers are honestly the most interesting species that are riddled with mystery that I wish was further explored and not going back to the same hivemind style Xeno...
So this is a two-part thing as a long-time fan of this franchise. Because on one hand I completely agree with you, I wasn't the biggest fan of alien Romulus even though I do applaud how well-directed and acted it was. And one of the things I hate about the alien franchise is that they keep repeating and remixing the first two movies and nothing else. Other hand, I'm going to be completely honest. I also don't like Prometheus either. It really mishandled to me the alien mythals and instead of create something HP Lovecraft and horrifying it just made things in a direction that was really dull and not very fascinating. Would be something that like an edgy intellectual 14-year-old would come up with. My big thing going forward is that they should stick with the xenomorphs and it's life cycle but they need to explore other aspects. Not going backwards but forwards. For example, if in aliens they show that they live in a hive Society with the queen. What are the drones? What the hell do they look like and how do they behave? How do they get from Planet to planet? Are there different species of xenomorphs? Are they like ants or when? Two different species of xenomorphs meat do they wore at each other with the human stuck in the middle? What about other alien species that maybe those species prey upon the xenomorphs and unexpectedly discover humans and now they've become their new subjects? Hell even though I wasn't a fan of Prometheus, I would love a spin-off in the universe. That's just the Androids as long as it's a spin-off. So many different, very fascinating avenues that they could go to, but all everyone either does is repeat the first two movies or keep putting in bullshit that devaluates the concepts in the franchise.
1- The writing in Prometheus was terrible on top of causing massive contradictions with the previous movies, so it wasn't off to a good start. Could have been with decent writers, but Ridley didn't want to be part of the writing process but got forced into it and taking Lindelof in the writing team was a death sentence for the movie.
2- You say it yourself, the whole thing that makes the Engineers interesting is the mystery, once you start explaining and showing more it only gets more and more lame and disapointing (starting by retconning their appearence from what we see in Alien into basic humanoid dudes, followed by making them care about Earth and wanting to destroy it because it's clearly the most interesting behavior they could have given them...).
I agree, I just didn't like that fact that he intended for David to be the creator of the Xenomorph, nor did I like the fact that Shaw was killed off-screen
Agreed. Romulus was fucking trash. It was "look at that Alien movie number X reference" the movie. The fact that they tried to "fix" shaw and david through Rain and Andy and make some sort of "ship" out of them was fucking ridiculous. What sort of brainrotted person thought that any of this was good?
@@navylaks2 Both are perfectly fine. Shaw turned into an irony, a living instrument that lacked the power to create; david was an unliving instrument that did. The latter created something living out of a biological apparatus that couldn't. Creationism out of biological inertia and the capability it holds to expand and destroy. The creation became greater than the creator and now wanted to create his own eden, hence, the xenomorph. Children of mankind's destruction that literally came out of a barren paradise inside shaw. With humanity as the stepping stone this time. This is brilliant writing. Like, this is something the alien franchise always lacked, some decent concepts to think on.
My favorite thing about this franchise is how fans spent decades wondering where the Xenomorphs come from and what kind of atrocities they committed throughout their history and Ridley just made a movie that said, "Yeah it was Magneto that created the Xenomorphs or whatever."
Nah bro, he rediscovered them
Cope.
There's a beauty to your theory where David perfects the egg creation but plants them back on the alpha derelict, joining the knowledge of the ancients with the mechanical precision of an artificial human to complete the perfect organism
I like the alternate concepts for xenomorphs. The egg being a facehugger itself would be crazy. I remember another alternate facehugger design in 'Alien - Engineers' concept art showing a squid that sticks to the ceiling, opposed to the egg stuck to the floor. Those should've been the focus of these movies. Lots of potential there.
20th Century Fox catered to toxic fans. Prometheus had promise. The Engineer storyline is what made Prometheus a great film. People wanted to see Shaw and Davids journey to get answers. I DO NOT BELIEVE for one second that David created the Xenomorphs... Remember in Prometheus, there is a mural of the Engineers worshipping the Xeno. This concludes that there is an entire Xeno civilzation the Engineers discovered while travelling the stars possibly and thus obtained the black goo. They reverse engineered it to enhance themselves to become immortal basically, and they used it to create life. Scott wanted to explore the themes of synthetics, Engineers, and the creation of life.
This is why Scott got involved with Raised by Wolves, which is among other things, about AI synthetics exploring humanity and trying to raise children. Such a shame that show was cancelled, it really was an intriguing story that was off the rails.
I was so hyped about getting a expansion about the alien universe instead whining fans destroyed that whole opportunity and we’ll just get dumbed down movies.
Raised by wolves was such a cool tv-series. Sad we didn’t get to see the end if that either sucks…
#renewraisedbywolves
This is incredibly interesting. Could Alien: Paradise Lost (3) incorporate these wild mutants? Ridley's last chance to bring it home?
I did a video for "alien awakening", it is what Ridley had in mind for a 3rd prequel.
@@scifiexplained I like this video. I would've titled the Prometheus Sequel called "Prometheus: Paradise Lost." The Prometheus Franchise should've been a separate universe from The Alien Franchise.
They fucked up. HR Giger made a world where beings were fused with technology, grown into their roles. Prometheus should have had the virus repairing the ship by turning people into ship parts in horrific body horror fates worse than death. Imagine a lady being stretched out 500ft to be used as cooling fluid pipe while she is still alive, not able to scream as her mouth is filled with coolant. Or a guy bloating into an engine reactor, forced to feel himself on fire from the inside. This would all resemble the Space jockey more accurately than the space suit route they chose.
@@efugee that sounds stupid
The Engineers looking like "David Statue"-Humans and the Space Jockey just being a suit really destroyed a lot of the "otherworldly" vibe for me... They should have gone more in the dark Biomechanic Surrealism of Giger and kept it otherworldly instead of essentially creating Engineers that are nearly humans. That's at least my opinion...
Interesting they had so much intended with what was, at the time, a severed head in David. Why would Shaw ever let him become more than that? Is this a case of David pickle-ricking his way back to having a full body? She'd be carrying him around like Kratos. Her off-screen death was disrespectful to the story that now centered her & her questions & struggles
@@MistyMountainPath i like more that the story is not about some heroic figure solving the universes problems again. I like more that the humans are just statists in the progressing bigger story that is not about the humans but about the demise of the engineers and (re-)creation of the „modern“ xenomorphs
8:41 - I love how the last frame is her just peacing the _fuck_ out...
So basically all of this is in Covenant but just very toned down or in a "it already happened off screen" kinda way. Honestly, as a huge Prometheus fan, I'm glad it got a continuation. With the Prometheus story line concluded in Covenant (both Shaw and the Engineers killed by David) I'm not too sour on Covenant not being continued. I got my answers. I really liked Covenant too though, and I hope it gets some kind of continuation someday..
Man this is so upsetting. This looks way better than what we got.
According to newly released rumours,the story starts with a spaceship discovering the remains
of the first xenomorph from the alien movie.They bring it to the nearest spacestation and extract it
for eggs which creates the facehuggers.Then the whole spacestation gets infected and all the humans
dies,and leaves a big xenomorph hive behind.
When contact is lost with the other spacestations.A spaceship is sendt to investigate.
Then a battle breaks out,and only one off the investigators manage to escape.
Or did she? In the end we see that she also is infected and she sets the escapepod to self construct,but
before that happens,the escape pod lands on a unknown planet with small humanlike beings,but with blue skin.
And that makes a cliffhanger for a follow-up movie ?
the idea of david being the one who completely created the xenomorphs is pretty terrible
It's the worst thing Ridley could have ever done. Shrank the universe down to some Darth Vader built C3PO crap.
The alien now isn't some cosmic horror - it's just a lab experiment by some robot with daddy issues. Boring.
@@gridlock7425 i mean the story was never actually finished so i can't really tell if they were painting david as the creator of the xeno or if he was just experimenting with the black goo and creating different versions of the xeno. there's a very xeno looking thing on a mural in prometheus... but from some of the alien awakening rumors it seemed like they were gonna retcon it all for david to be the creator which i'm frankly glad never happened.
prometheus was brilliant but unfortunately covenant really ruined it for me and the fact that the story is unfinished makes it worse.
I confirm I hate it
@@spenwilrec4738but he didn’t completely created xenos
Without the black goo (living weapon).
Made by the Engineers there would be
No Aliens.
it's like saying Cthulu was just made by "some science guy"
the Xenomorph is a nameless, unknowable horror from the depths of the nightmarish shadows between the ancient stars.
it's a warning that we got too far out into space & got a bit cocky like "ok..space we got this" then you stick your flashlight into the wrong spot & suddenly you have an albino-spider latched onto your face & your very essence, your dna, is being ravaged to create a lovely little son for you.. a Chitinous Monstrosity that's fun to be with.
it's the same reason why the Borg in Q-Who are eerie & unsettling and the one's in Voyager every other episode aren't.
it's the mystery & speculation that keeps u interested. in Romulus we find out the Xeno can create a cocoon to stay dorment after getting seriously budnt by the Narcissus (& irradiated too)
that's interesting & actually rather creepy if you think about it..that works to build interest...no one except Ridley Scott wants David to be the creator of the Xenomorph.
😳coz it's dumb😳
it's a nightmare from beyond space..why's it matter who it's creator was..especially if it's creator is a frankly rather camp British android.....
So happy to see you still making Alien universe videos. With Romulus, Prometheus is popular on twitter.
I liked Prometheus
Prometheus: having no xenomorphs.
Fans: bitch about having no xenomorphs.
Covenant: puts xenomorphs back in.
Fans: bitch about movie having xenomorphs and abandoning Prometheus direction.
Romulus: includes elements of Alien, Prometheus, and covenant.
Fans: bitch about key jangling and member berries.
Sometime, just don't listen to the fans and just do your movie. They're impossible to please, anyway.
NEVER listen to the fans, the audience has no fing clue what they want, there’s a reason why people get paid millions to direct/act for films, they are artists, the general audience goer(especially these days) has brain rot, no offense, but just look at most of the movies that make a billion,‘it’s usually fan service films, cameos, shallow script, member berries, etc, films that are forgettable the second the leave the theater, cough(Deadpool and Wolverine).
Thats why I always say fans are and will always be toxic non grateful piece of shit so do your job without thinking about them
I loved Promethean and was so excited to see the biomechanical aspects of the engineer homeworld. Covenant and Romulus both are just repackages of the same movie seen hundreds of times and specifically Romulus not sure why it's getting all this acclaim it's nothing new at all its just a rehash but Promethean felt like a new direction for the franchise. Sad how it ended up
A lost opportunity for a great movie
David is just a space bartender serving up space cocktails
This is why you never hesitate right before a big jump
ugh man covenant just felt like a f*k you to everyone that opposed & put the nail in the coffin for the franchise & these concepts. I think Ridley knew exactly what he was doing.
the neomorphs were the best part to me too :(
now all we get is the dumbed down version, hopefully they go somewhere different in the alien tv series but I doubt it
Yeh it's gutting the engineer story was fascinating. Anyone who prefers the shit show of alien 3 and 4 over Prometheus thoughtful story is an idiot imo
Sounds 100x better than what Alien covenant was.
Even though I didn’t like some of the characters in promethius I figured the studio messed with Ridley’s vision. I still liked the movie and really wanted the sequel
So wish we could have seen this story line. It's fascinating
I will always admire Scott's direcrion of Alien it was and still is a great science fiction horror film with amazing visuals especially for the time. That said his ideas to expand upon the lore have ruined all the mystery of Alien which kept it scary the fear of the unknown. I do not like prequels specifically for this reason. It's okay if you screw up the following sequel because you can just ignore it but when you go back and if it doesn't pan out it ruins the entire lore of everything that was great. The only way I could have ever embraced the direction these new movies went is if they had no connection whatsoever to the alien films. Unfortunately they do and I have to criticise the decisions made because frankly they're just not all that good.
3:13 The cancelled Alien 5 had a similar "face hugger" where it was more worm like.
I hope that we see Scott’s original vision for Prometheus’ sequel come to life. I’m not optimistic, but maybe if Romulus does well, it’ll give Scott incentive enough to make the next “Prequel” the way he wants to.
Wow, great body horror at 7:32 with this alien fungus thing.
Glad it got canned. The idea that David was reverse engineering Xeno's to create something else is alot better than him creating them in the first place cuase that makes no sense.
On the contrary having David Create them makes Perfect sense...
However so does him creating something else too...... so the change to him Creating the Xenomorph may make the Plot more Sinister but so would seeing something different.
They should have known that exploring the Xenomorph Origins in this way would cause Conflicts, and not please many...
And require some Shoe-horning to get to ALIEN.
In Hindsight its a Big Gamble/Mistake that never paid off
No you're literally just to dumb to understand it.
I really need this whole engineer world exploration to happen. It's too beautiful and perfect not to.
The engineers is probably the best thing that came out of the prequels. They expanded the universe by introducing the Engineers and just featured them in a short scene in AC. Alien Romulus had a scene with an Engineer, that was kind of OK.
If you change the character David to another character basically all connections between "Prometheus" and "Covenant" disappear and "Covenant becomes its own movie, that is a sign that the script for "Covenant" originally was for an unrelated stand-alone movie but got retooled into a sequel to "Prometheus".
Does Scott not understand his own work as cosmic horror by means of lovecraftian horror staring back from the dark and violating us in deep space? God… this proves movies are the sum of all the creative forces at work by the director’s side.
Metamorphosis because some AI makes bio-spore in and of itself is not existentially terrifying.
So they tried to turn Alien into Resident Evil?
this is so cool
Maybe now with the success of Romulous, we might get this.
I'm fine without it
Wish it would’ve been this
I truly hope Ridley revisits these ideas in Awakening.
I am certain, really certain, that some of the concept art presented in this video strongly influenced Alien Romulus, and that perhaps, I mean perhaps, we see the many ideas of this concept art again in an opus. All is not lost (get it?)
Hopefully with Romulus good reception we can revive these ideas for a third film, I see it being very possible these ideas could still be incorporated into a third instalment 🤞🏻
I find it weird that the synthetics are not affected by the black goo or face huggers , they are also biomechanics like the alien .
They're not biomechanics, though, the implication is that they are wholly artificial, and that's why the Aliens don't want anything to do with them - they can't register life, therefore they can't reproduce, and the synthetics are of no interest to them
So it was pretty much conclusive that it wasn't the homeworld of the engineers in the final film, it was another seed race like humans
There'd be no xenomorphs but with Ridley making the decision to explore more variants of the alien? Do you mean variants of the xenomorph or is there another alien that I'm forgetting?
It’s so sad we will never get to see this
We still don't know how the xeno's were created and what happened to David
I’m curious more about Shaw’s role in Paradise Lost.
the engineers should of been their own movie/universe. very interesting concept. but it barely fit at all with the xenomorphs and alien.
This. It would've worked very well, and would've been loved much more if it was it's own thing.
"Should have" .Not should of.
@@arhamimran8689stop policing grammar on youtube dumbass
It was but low IQ "aliens" fans ruined that
They really punted, didn't they. Damn.
But that wasn’t the Engineer planet in Covenant, and those weren’t Engineers that David slaughtered.
Yup. This is one of their seed/incubator planets, like what Earth was a long time ago. But I think originally, they intended to go to the homeworld.
“Loft” is still “lost”, the f was often used in place of an S…. Like “Ye olde” is just “the old” our modern interpretation makes us pronounce stuff weird
If only Prometheus wasn't so poorly received. It wasn't necessarily a bad film, it just needed some fine-tuning.
Prometheus is billiant! Scott should has followed his own vision instead of opinions of those idiotic haters on the internet
Very unlikely we would ever again see anything like the first Alien or its sequel, Aliens. Not being pessemistic but realistic. Heck, I'd be jumping for joy if we got anything close to Alien 3. It's just been a fast down hill slide since then. It's no big surprise, honestly, in our so-called modern 'culture' which wallows in mediocrity, glorifies shallowness, and it's just get rich get famous quick. Quality demands perfection which needs passion and that drives us for excellence. That takes hard work, time, humility and the need to hone in skills and experience. Studios couldn't give a rat's hind side about any of that.
Get those fat bums on seats, boy!
"Paradise Lost" by John Milton a book where Lucifer is the hero, nice try
Prometheus and covenant are interesting failures that could have been so much more wider in the scope of the Alien mythos…. Had Scott just stuck the landing and back ended into the first Alien film.
I was absolutely devastated when Prometheus ended and I was nowhere near close to finding out about what happened to the juggernaut on lv-426 which what was originally proposed .
Even worse covenant didn’t answer questions left over from Prometheus!
Had Scott just tightened the scripts, focused on the objective of how and why the juggernaut landed on lv426 we could have gotten something not unlike Star Wars rogue one… where it literally ended where a new hope begins.
Scott could have split it into 2 3 hour movies but he shat the bed and overestimated the audience and worse yet he rambled on about making MORE sequels/prequels till we got into the first Alien.
Really a pretty stupid move as now we will probably never know the ending to Scott’s prequel story
“Alien fans” didn’t deserve this movie. Now we have 2 mediocre movies and no answers about the engineers. Also killing off Shaw was so stupid but hey I guess the “fans” got what they deserved…
Shaw wasn't a great character tho, nothing compared to Ripley, she was arrogant and delusional in her own ways, assuming she was "invited" to meet benevolent creators, trying to tell the crew they're not allowed to carry weapons for protection because they should have faith like her, then when she discovers the black goo she does an immediately 180 and assumes the engineers hate all of humanity and want to genocide everyone, then she decides she's going to their frfr homeworld to persuade them to change their minds, even David recognizes that she is coo coo for coco puffs and manipulates her into rebuilding him by telling her how unusually kind and compassionate she is (how she wants to see herself) and then as soon as he's got her in cryosleep it's game over, the real reason so many viewers attached so hard to Shaw is because her disappointment with the engineers mirrors the audience meta disappointment lol, and there were no other relatable human characters, plus Shaw is attractive
Shaw was dumb and got what she deserved
If the engineers on the weapon testing site wanted to eradicate humanity, why did the active engineers in their world in covenant just hang around? If David created the xenomorph as we know it, why are their murals of it on the engineer ship? Ridley Scott and company had no idea what they were doing and tried tackling concepts behind their grasp and behind the feel of the series itself.
@@Metallizombie
1: shit was crashed long long time ago. Its been almost 2 millennia.
2:
The engineers either crumbled as a society, or because it was their capital with normal civilians going by their day.
They were surprised seeing the ship.
Also there is implication that it just another planets race they created.
And the real one was to be shown in 3 or 4.
Nobody said david created them except boomer fans who hate and didnt understand the movies. He clearly recreated them (and other beings through experimentations on the planets wildlife) through his experimentation on Shaw. As humanoids lead to the xenomorphs. David created the way for these xenomorphs to procreate themselves through the facehuggers I guess.
Its a allegory.
Humans recreated themselves what the engineers first created. Now the creation of their creation, recreates the thing that they wanted to use to destroy their own (human)creation, to destroy them(engineers) instead. Pure irony
It's a deacon that they worship. Not a xenomorph. The pathogen creates deacons from engineers and xenos in humans.
Prometheus was fine, but Covenant was a travesty and frankly i dont think studio interference really had much to do with that. I completely understand and appreciate Ridley's desire to explore and expand the universe of xeno variants, but the moment he decided to retcon and completely ignore the lore that HE established in the first film by making the Xenomorphs a more recent creation of an Android having a temper tantrum, thats when i lost all respect for him and the movie
this is the film people and fans wanted to begin with #Alien #20thCenturyFox
Da alien!?!?
Why couldnt this be an original property.. why bring Alien down? This was clearly a good original idea that was forcing to tie with Alien
OR
Engineers without David creating the xenos.
Prometheus is the best alien movie and covenant is the second best. I loved them.
@neinnonon alien 3 and resurrection are verifiable trash.
Aliens is an action movie, its okay.
Alien is fine but dated.
Prometheus is the best 9/10, a masterpiece.
Alien covenant is very good 8/10
@neinnonon im not a troll just because my handle is funny...
My opinion is that prometheus and covenant aint bad, just dont fit in with what the fans wanted.
@@fehimaprgomet5881no ones cares what the fans want
I agree with you 100% Prometheus is my favorite movie of all time The dumb s*** they do in the movie just add some nice bee feeling campiness to it and that's the only thing fans availing complain about it anyway
Toxic fans stole this from us
It’s interesting imo but still not better than what we got, David being the main architect of xenos kind of ruins all of this still
Ridley's garbage movie did
David made xenomorphs in Covenant.
@@gridlock7425I enjoyed Prometheus and Shaws character, covenant destroyed the franchise.
@@Greenhopper14 it's thousand times better than we got across the board.
Eh, AC IS Paradise Lost. Anyone who's read that masterpiece epic can see the parallels.
The Engineers from Prometheus and Covenant need to be removed from cannon or retconned to have hijacked the original Malakak’s technology. With that being said the series is titled “Alien” not “Xenomorph”. I’m wide open to expanding the series to include more Aliens but not at the expense of the Xenomorphs.
No
No the engineers are a fantastic addition. Way more interesting than a queen and nest
Prometheus flopped in my view simply because the masses expected a film similar to the first 2 movies, when we kinda got a stand alone film, in that universe.
With time I rate Prometheus 3rd, ahead of even the new film. It’s polished, has good pacing and is Lore heavy. It is a beautiful film in so many ways but I understand the initial disappointment.
I still hate the idea of them exploring the origins of the Xenomorph, and the fact that their origin (chronologically) is not far from the first Alien. Or at least that is the implication. It made the Xeno less terrifying and special. When I first saw Prometheus, I thought the idea was that they were trying to tell a completely different story but have said story taking place in the Alien universe and it's kinda cool. But instead, because they don't have a clear direction with the series, it ruined the whole lore and overall the series itself.
They couldve continued the Prometheus story while adding the Aliens into it ... the Alien Covenant was a no go for everybody
The truly fucked the fans. This would have been SO MUCH cooler.
These films would have been way better without David. So he's a stand in for Satan, so what? They tease this interesting story of the Engineers then have a boring android kill them all. I was on board with a lot of what Prometheus was doing but Covenant ruined it.
wow the volume on this is so low
Although Prometheus didn't equal Alien in any way, I enjoyed seeing some of the abandoned designs and script elements from Alien come to life. When I saw Covenant I was gutted. A total betrayal. Completed stripped of any Giger elements and more like a Frankenstein movie.
This concept art shows what could have and should have been. Then again, I find the whole David character and storyline irritating. It would have been better to abandon David altogether.
Ridley is just butthurt he didn't came up with the Alien resurrection idea first 😂
People always and forever bitch about something.
Ridley ruined what made the previous Alien movies so good (Resurrection not included) and that was the cosmic horror aspect of it, the unknowable nature of the xenomorphs and where they came from. We never needed to know where they came from and certainly did not need a robot with daddy issues to be the creator of them. The central theme of the Alien movies is exploitation of something unimaginably dangerous and unknowable by humans who, no matter how advanced they are, are just small fish in a much bigger and more hostile universe than they could imagine. What Ridley did is remove all that in favor of shallow philosophy and poor writing.
But no... people just want marines vs aliens, on repeat. What a cold soup Romulus was!
It would have easily been better.
I’ve said it and will say it again Alien Covenant just butchered everything good setup by the Prometheus movie
Dumb toxic Alien fans destroyed all the potential that was set up by Prometheus, Ridley Scott started all these storylines and Prometheus was a continuation of his vision yet some dumb fans just wanted another trash slasher movie.
Unpopular opinion: People being needlessly butthurt / unappeasable because Prometheus wasn't "Aliens 2" is why we received Covenant instead of this. .
How can people like a movie that is so immensely dim witted and filled of just random unoriginal ideas?
If you want to explore gods, humanity and aliens and all that, just read books.
Covenant was awful
Too much about a mad android
Theists: : hated it. Stupid Characters. Needed more Xeno's.(Secretly offended).
Atheists: I wish Covenant was different. Xeno's werent needed. Need more Engineers.
It was terrible...
The first movie is unwatchable. Just horrible. Ridiculously bad actors and performances. Absolutely the most ignorant plot ever! Boring. Long. Ugh
Alien (1979)? I like that one
I enjoyed prom though covenant was bad
I love it, that they think of lore, think of various meanings of the alien origins and stuff, but they cant write a decent movie plot, because to me, prometheus has been written like a really bad b-movie shitshow
I think you have very low media literacy if you think Prometheus is poorly conceived lol.
Engineers suck.
Weak. Uncreative.
We lost something good, this is one of the movies I wanted the most, I loved Prometheus 💔🥲