If the film isn’t going to be made, I think it would be really cool to see a graphic novel series of it. There is already a graphic novel of Dan O’Bannon’s original screenplay of Alien
Blomkamp’s “script” was rumored to be just a 10 page treatment with a shit ton of impressive concept art. Fox told him maybe while Scott was finishing covenant. After covenant bombed, the project was scrapped completely like you mentioned.
This makes no sense at all to cancel this project after the failure of Alien Covenant. I hope this cancelled film gets revived and bring in Neil Blomkamp to make this film retcon all alien films (3-4 sequels, requel and prequels) like they didn't exist.
@@markabenjamin6284 Well it does as if the sequel to Prometheus [which did make good money] helmed by a well established director 5 years later wasn't a big hit, why would they be confident a sequel to Aliens made 30+ years later with a lower profile director would work [especially given Blade Runner 2049 wasn't a big hit despite critical acclaim]? Sigourney has said she's not interested in it now anyway.
@@jamesatkinsonja Due to interference from 20th Century Fox and Ridley Scott who plans to make more prequels and they cancelled alien 5 reboot before the release of Alien Covenant
@@markabenjamin6284 based. I want that trashy ProSHITeus and CRAPvenant out of the Aliens universe. Fuck the Space Jockey retcon through the useless engineers
Regardless of what people want, I crave this visual style and twisted weirdness. It's like fresh air, and opens up possibilities for some heavy plot. I don't want to watch a copy paste alien movie. I don't even want spaceship crews. This research facility and experiments topic gives me the shivers it's so good. Knowing all this, what we missed with this film, just makes me super sad 😞. They could at least make a video game from it.
@@KruceroKory would be happy for that too. after watching romulus i felt like the alien franchise has entered into a circle where it's just recycling the existing elements not adding any new interesting twists to the universe.
Agree. I hope it gets turned into a book, or comic book or a videogame. I found Romulus embarrassing. I have read all the Aliens comic books, from 1988 to 2021, played tons of Aliens game and I am right now reading all the books. Blomkamp still wanted to give us the Space Jockeys, not the useless albino retcons that don't do anything. And don't get me started on Romulus, a movie that re-shot scenes of older movies and quoted Alien and Aliens directly with 0 originality. Fuck this. Sticking to comicbooks and games like Dark Descent. Wish Blomkamp did the Alien movie. Have you watched his Rakka short film with Sigourney Weaver?
@@Jockey_Xenomorph @Jockey_Xenomorph yay, can't wait to play dark descent, seems super cool! i watched most of the oat studios shorts, but for some reason rakka was left out, thanks for the tip!
Would be nice to have an Alien movie where Sigourney, Michael, Lance, and maybe a new actress playing Newt reunite. The actors are getting older and it seems as though Disney is trying to get new actors in with the upcoming Fede Alvarez version but I hope they bring in the Neil Blomkamp version we all wanted a decade ago
Xenomorphs building ships using human parts? Sounds like parody but actually let's also add dancing and singing chartbusters and make Alien the musical out of this idea. Remember singing and dancing chartbuster from Space Balls? Haven't you ever wondered what happened to that little guy? Maybe they should push this further. He could board some ship and cause havoc among it's crew singing all along. THAT could be awesome thing - and start series of Alien musical sequels.
It's so disheartening to hear people say Alien is Ridleys own creation. It's simply not. He directed it, sure, after being brought in very late, but the idea was not his, the script wasn't his.
But if it weren't for him, and him going through the Necronomicon by Tiger after it was handed to him, we likely wouldn't have the look of the iconic xenomorph and much more. Ridley might not be wholly responsible for the entirety of ALIEN, but he is responsible for the look, feel, tone and vibe the movie delivered. It's understandable how people see it as his.
@@MikesMonsters he fortunately trusted the opinion of Dan O'Bannon who brought the Necromicon to him and showed him Necronom. Dan O'Bannon was the heart of ALIEN.
@@MikesMonsters Dan O'Bannon introduced the Necromicon to Scott after meeting Giger while working on pre-production of the unmade Jodorovsky's Dune. It was his baby. But again, it was the perfect blend of all the right people and ingredients. I now believe A L I E N belongs to us all.
People complain about Prometheus and Covenant demystifying the xenomorph and space jockey, but having the derelict being made out of human DNA? I don’t think anything could destroy the mystery more than that. What an awful idea. For me, the Engineer storyline brought even more mystery. In a genre bloated with different imaginings of alien species, the Engineers still stand out as one of the more unique and fascinating. And even with the introduction of the Engineers, Prometheus still made it clear the Xenomorph predated David and maybe the Engineers themselves.
@satanistclub they aren't by any means, but okay. I'll tell you more: they're the best movies in the franchise after Alien and Aliens. At a great distance from Alien³ and then Resurrection.
@@Jerry98x YES! nostgia is totally blinding about Aliens. Great movie but turning the aliens into just bugs? Boring af and super demystifying. And its the reason Xenomorphs later on go turned into basically just raptors in Resurrection and the AVP films. Still cool on its own (space marines vs bugs) but Alien had the creature especially with deleted scenes acting so much more bizarre plus the cocooning being even more disturbing.
You're spot on with implication and theory that the Xenomorphs predate the engineers. Personally there's some much freedom and creativity with the engineers in the universe. Who knew if the engineers tampered with the xenomorphs and corrupted them? Was there ever a pure Xenomorph since the ones we know grow from hosts? Is the Deacon related to the idea of an ancient xenomorph? Plus all the potential of the black goo that could give us some insane Dead Space level horror? I think the biggest issue is the engineers dont look like what people wanted. But personally, the engineers to me may just be another rung in the hierachy and potentially be similar to the androids humans made. Beings created to be perfect and tend to things while the creators get to sit back and be otherwise occupied with even more wild things.
I like Alien Romulus a whole bunch, and who knows if this movie would have been good but I’m sad we don’t get to see Hicks again, Michael Biehn is one of my favorite actors.
I find Blomkamps comment about not wanting to play with someone elses property very strange because I remember in 2018/19 it was rumoured he was going to Direct Robocop returns before that project fell apart, He now seems to be kinda in limbo with Demonic and Gran Tursimo like what happened with him?
Provably he did something or say something that someone didn't like it or simply because the franchise's right where in another people's hands and they didn't like the idea. Who knows, but one thing is sure, he felt in disgrace, in my opinion, and it's sad.
The DNA ship lost me. Kinda glad we didn't go there. Don't get me wrong, the biomech concept was much more alluring. Perhaps the pathogen's creators sought to fuse an empire of alien species with their technology, seeding the universe with life not unlike the Engineers and humans as well as cleansing world's with the Xenomorphic progeny of the pathogen when weaponised. An originator that had long since died, leaving only the living machines of their final attempt to forestall their own extinction. Perhaps the Xenomorph simply happens because a careless creator underestimated the virility of the Deacon's Blood.
Yep, I am of a very similar mind. The engineers in my mind are the gardeners of eden left to continue their work after god has gone MIA or is busy elsewhere. The xenomorphs being a parasitic species beg the question, is there a pure xenomorph that came before a host species ever changed them? Is the deacon an ancient predecessor or something "close" to what a pure xenomorph is? I certainly like to think that the pathogen came about by trying to replicate something inside the deacon/xenomorphs and it went kind of wrong becoming more of a weapon.
Loved the video! Feels good finally knowing some details to go with the art. I can get behind some of the ideas (Alien martial being used to convert humans into stuff) but not so much others (the aliens being the ones to do it). With the info here, I think theres parts of a really cool story about the Bio-Weapons division finally getting an Alien, that drifted away a little to far into some high tier weirdness (Which I can always get behind depending on execution.)
Thank you so much for watching! I'm glad I was able to share some information too. I find the artwork fascinating, yet happy it never got made into a full motion picture.
There was some concept art leaks from AvPGalaxy over the last few years, but that production has been on lockdown otherwise. They likely don't want it to confuse or interfere with Romulus. But once that's out, it'll be just the right time to start marketing for the series.
Great video. I noticed you and many others in your field will all mention that Neca is releasing the Alien figure and accessories pack.Why is no one asking if there will be human figures made? Wouldn't a Rain figure be great? Or even Kay figure with the Offspring? Neca are notorious for under representing female characters from their product line.
People are definitely asking for those figures, but we just don't have any confirmation or announcements just yet. I think once Scorched and the accessory set release, we might hear some more as NECA hinted that there was more in the works.
They mention later in the video that the the 'screenplay' was more an outline/concept rather than an actual script. Maybe it's poor wording on Scott's part.
The concept art could have made the movie extremely dark and a true horror. Imagine each marine soldier in full control of genetically created and coded to the soldier an alien super soldier remotely controlled and under full obedience of the marine. Now imagine going after predators or Engineers with battles planetary wide using aliens against engineers and predators. A very dark and mature movie is what we need.
Great video Mike - another superlative Aliens piece! I liked the concept art of Bloomkamp's alien film and can see a lot of the OATS Studio feel and vibe (which I love). I feel Neil Bloomkamp leans more towards Cameron than Scott with his storytelling style - what I like about this possible version is that it seems to balance fan anticipation with some really daring albeit hard to fathom new ideas (Xenos as pioneering ship builders) Still, the idea of 'Aliens' was also kind of revolutionary compared to the first film - loads of aliens and loads of guns - it could have been a disaster. So part of me thinks a director like Bloomkamp with a great track record in bio-mechanical stories is better equipped than most to make it work.
It's important for people to realize that much of these concept arts are just that, a concept. Artists fire off all kinds of doodles and ideas while they're developing ideas. Some get expanded while others are at the same time retracted. Plenty of the concepts we've seen would never have made it past the illustrations and this is part/parcel of that process with artists. People just wanna jump to conclusions because so many people invested themselves in the shitty prometheus films and simply can't accept that those films were garbage and not needed in the franchise. Nothing but atheistic wet dreams.
Perhaps Blomkamp's "Alien 5" could be turned into a video game instead of a movie. I can see it become a Resident Evil 4-style survival-horror game, perhaps w/co-op. Not sure who has the Alien ip license -- tho I think it's SEGA.
Another such intriguing idea about origin from the Earth... But makes questions -- where is alien ??? and why the ship was so far from the Earth and ruled by not a beast, not a human ???
Really enjoyed this documentary, well done. I got the impression that Ridley Scott cock-blocked the project, but I don’t know how he managed to get so much hype with just a treatment pitch and nice art work? But the idea of the ship being made out of human DNA by the xenomorph would’ve had every audience shaking their heads in disbelief. And we thought Prometheus was wacky? But Alien: Romulus seems to have been the sequel all Alien fans have been waiting for for decades. Neil Blomkamp must be thinking “That coulda been me!”
Maybe we will see it adapted in comic form one day.
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I was already turned off at the sight of Ripley in the Kenner A.T.A.X. armor… but the idea that the aliens are capable of making spacecrafts is too far. That’s far more stupid than anything Ridley did in his prequels. In hindsight, I’m amused by all of the fans saying the prequels ruined the franchise while claiming this film would have saved it.
@@Right_Said_Brett many, myself included do not think the movie sounded worse, in fact it sounded pretty bad ass and quite likely would've set the franchise to right. I'll go with the credibility of Weaver and Cameron over simple fan boys.
@@jasonleveck8546 Yet more insults, in place of actual rebuttals to the arguments which I've made. It doesn't matter whether you liked the sound of Blomkamp's Alien movie. It's completely irrelevant. You said that Alien 3 killed the franchise. I pointed out why that was not the case. Stay to the topic at hand, you petulant child.
I just learned recently that ridley and obanon in the original script had the xenomorphs evolve beyond what we see in the final movie, this was just it's first adult stage to secure survival. They where planning to show intelligence, that they could pilot spaceships and build them. They wherent just a biological weapon they where supossed to be able to repopulate the planet they where unleashed on and he the engineers next evolution of "mankind". When I first heard this it made no sense to me since the animalistic insect like behavior we have seen since the 80s doesn't lend itself to that idea.. But the more concept art I see of them, from all these diffent artist, especially the very upright ones, if you look closely and imagine them as intelligent sentient beings.. The look still kinda works.. Even in this video there's a one of them lying in what looks like medical bays but swap that for a pilot seat.. It could work.. I don't know if a living human dna ship could be pulled off in a way that made sense but intelligent xenomorphs.. Mabye
I do think people like to make out Ridley Scott is the 'villain' here [especially if they don't like his Prequels] when he is a producer on the new Alien: Romulus and Blade Runner: 2049 with Denis Villeneuve [who's a far bigger director than Neil Blomkamp even at the time] so he's clearly willing to work with other talents on his projects which he would have done on this one as he was going to produce it and after all a similar journey happened to Blomkamp's Robocop movie which Scott had no involvement with.
The terrific stories created in the Dark Horse universe is full of gold and diamonds for the mining of various series. I think much of this content would be not only well suited to the cinema but also the episodic format of the various streamers. Unfortunately Disney owns the rights to the franchise and that is not a good thing.
@@MikesMonsters I hope it's good, great in fact. All I know, is that i'd love for the same magic of Aliens once again. Lately, Disney is really fucking the dog and their constant political pontificating is showing to be a real loser in the gross receipts of their movies.
@MichaelMathes-ec1lj They're creating content to intentionally piss people off. They achieved that and are now being ran out of town on a pole, as it should be. My cousin worked for them and actually has a credit on the second Dr. Strange and 3rd Guardians. She went out into the desert and did the very last scene where they show the "new guardians" at the very end. She said she rode out in a production van and that the Rocket Raccoon was actually animatronic for some of the scene.
@jasonleveck8546 that one DH ALIENS comic that had a... black goo on it released in the 90s I think it was and scott probably "took" some of it and made it Prometheus lol
I'm still sad that Neil didn't get to make his film, however, I do think if it happened, that he would be better suited with someone on set to tell him when certain ideas were bad, and so on. Some of his designs and plot points were a little too rehashy to me, and I also think he could tone down his choppy editing and slow motion, which he tends to overuse from my view.
He didn't seem to like when some people in production told him his ideas weren't the best. He seemed really resistant to outside opinions, and even stated he doesn't like being told what to do.
welllllll. Speaking of the topic of "rehashy", let me know what you think of Alien: Romulus when you see it. And surprisingly, despite the divided reaction among fans, it is doing spectacular at the box office despite some rehashy stuff, stuff I personally think is more rehashy than anything rumored in Blomkamp's idea.
@@MikesMonsters That figures given his Robocop movie also ended up being cancelled. 'Gran Tourismo was a 'director for hire gig' by the sounds of it so he'd have had to do what he was told on that one.
Basically! haha. But I don't love them like I do the original films. I just like some of the things they do in the films, but the overall packages I've got some serious issues with. But with more time with them, I've learned to appreciate some bits and pieces.
For all the alien³ hate, i like it as a film; it feels almost like it was written as a theatre production in that it is mostly characters in rooms talking to each other, more like a thriller than action or horror, it containing bare few relevant examples of either. But to that point alien has been a franchise of different genres and styles. Perhaps this wasn't a great idea for a blockbuster franchise but it is in keeping with the tradition of the films to that point. Since the first film was a horror the second couldn't do that because it had already been done so they make action, which of course the third film couldn't follow without retreading all the same tropes so they took it in a different direction again; this film is more of a companion to the series for the lore nerds and fangirls without drastically affecting a wider theme of the inhumanity of humankind. Viewed through the lens of the great evil of the franchise being people, having a film comprised of prisoners set in a doomed dilapidated facility who's only chance of escaping the Star beast is via the company troopers who are literally there to kill everyone except the xenomorph and to have it caps with the death of Ripley totally underlines all of that, although it does make it something of a bummer to watch lol And for everyone sitting on Resurrection, it was made as a completely different format of action movie more like the over the top comic esq s films of the time and also contains a scene between two of the greatest actresses sigourney weaver and Winona Ryder play a clone and a synthetic standing in a chapel debating who isn't human which frankly could be a film all of it s own
Very weird, right?! I think it's safe to assume it would be like egg morphing, or some similar type of method is how the process was started. I wasn't given the full exact detailing of the process of that, unfortunately.
@@MikesMonsters there is a concept art of a morphing guy and Ripley is scared of him. Maybe something like this. I have to say, i like this more than the Black goo. But its still weird. 😀
@@MikesMonsters I suspect that we can see a part of the process in one of the concept art pieces within your video; the one where Ripley is looking distraught over human soup stuck to the wall.
Basically, the idea is that the Derelict spaceship is a Von Neumann probe. It's a cybernetic organism that was designed to be self-replicating. The Xenomorph functions like a cell that both copies itself and converts raw material into new space ships. I imagine it would look similar to eggmorphing, with many people being brought to a growing mass of hive material which melts them down and assimilates their matter.
Reading between the lines, my guess is the title would have been ALIENS II. Eloquently separates it from the Prometheus movies, and tells new and old audiences exactly what it is and where it sits in the series
38:38 the follow up to Alien Covenant could potentially have been called Alien Destiny? There were vague reportings that confused whether Ridley’s next entry would’ve been called Alien Awakening or if that was the title for Blomkamp’s unmade film. Was Alien Destiny a place holder or just a potential working title?
I remember at the time Ridley Scott saying 'Awakenings' was the title of the cancelled Blomkamp film. I think people assumed he was talking about it being re-purposed for the Covenant sequel but apparently not. If it had gone ahead, I'd imagine Destiny may well have been changed [like Covenant was originally called 'Paradise lost'].
Hi Mike, thanks for the video. The whole problem here is that we already had Prometheus filmed, where there was black slurry. Ridley already had a script for a covenant with David playing another David's pipe. So, the question is, where did human DNA come from, if we now have the slurry from Prometheus and the covenant?) if there was a ready-made model of aliens2, if we have so much concept art, then most likely the film was at the starting point of filming. so, most likely the studio was waiting to see if Elysium would take off, but instead Elysium failed, they began to wait for covenant, otherwise they would invest 150-200 million in another film, which would also not pay off so-so. the covenant failed, district number 9 failed. Well, in principle, it’s obvious that the director was pushed aside, but! if he was pushed back, why are his ideas possibly going to be used in future films?)
12:30 Good lord. Hudson back too? We retconing everything now? So stupid. 3 and Resurrection are out there. Give it up. So is Prometheus. Alvarez did it perfectly. It tied everything together and it was amazing. So tired of Aliens fan bois wanting Aliens V2.0. 3 and Resurrection aren’t that bad.
In fairness I took that as Bill Paxton doing a 'If you need me, I'll do it' statement [probably prompted by his agent] but I don't think Hudson was a part of it at any point [and of course Paxton passed away in early 2017 ].
I still think Neil Blomkamps Alien 5 would have done a FAR better job of an Alien sequel, then Alien 3 or 4 did. And we dont even talk about Prometheus or Covenant, both of which dont even feel like an Alien movie. Its disheartening to see the state of the franchis. Luckily it seems like Alien Romulus is a success, which hopefully sends a signal that people still want Alien, but more like 1 and 2 and not the other sequels.
So sad that we got neither this "Alien 5" film OR "Alien: Paradise Lost," which sounds like it would have been a far superior film to "Alien: Covenant." It feels like the franchise was so close to going in 2 exciting new directions, only for them to scrap everything and release a very generic studio Xenomorph film. Instead, I just watch Blomkamp's short film "Rakka" and pretend like that's his "Alien 5." 😂
Eh, I'd trade my good arm to get my precious Hicks back, but not like this. Seems like fan fiction to me. And despite the mess around it, Alien 3 is a wonderful movie and probably my 2nd favorite in the trilogy after Aliens. I wouldnt want to lose those original 3
The feeling I got of 20th century and pine woods studio's was this strong desire to jettison the James Cameron sequel from the timeline. it goes all the way back to when they were making aliens. there seemed to be a resistance to anything not made by Scott and even though Aliens was this massive hit. it;s like they shrugged at it, and when they had a chance to build upon Aliens what did they do?..... Exactly, they eliminated the connection to the sequel and basically hit reset as if part 2 never happened. and now decades later when the subject gets brought up again what happened? Scott has it burned and buried.
It's interesting that even in the earliest drafts of Alien 3, Newt is written out really quickly [and Hicks takes the lead only because Ripley is mostly absent] so it feels like they didn't know what to do with the characters they inherited from Cameron so they were just discarded [there were plans to use a clone of Newt in Resurrection if they couldn't get Sigourney to be in it]. Like Terminator after T2, it would have been interesting to see how it would have turned out with Cameron directing but that wasn't something he was interested in doing then [he wasn't involved in Alien 3 at any point]. I do wonder if Terminator: Dark Fate came out of Cameron trying to support the 'Alien 5' idea given he'd just got some control back over that property.
I agree since this Aliens2 would have just imploded the entire universe. We had enough with the fans forcing Fox and Scott to course correct Prometheus and we got that dumpster fire with Covenant, but this oh no, this would have been far worse. Glad that Alien³ survived and fight for another day.
@@peterkrochmalni673seeing Gibson script and now what Blomkamp wanted to do. Yeah it was the best thing to happen since it’s obvious there’s nothing new to be said with those characters. Instead used them to destroy the extended universe. Yea no.
Back then I was interested in this Alien 5 and I used to think that it was a shame it got canceled, mainly because I loved the concept arts. But this whole ship thing with the human DNA is possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of and honestly I'm happy that nothing like this has materialized. Some people hated on the prequels because they wanted Neill Blomkamp's Alien and the whole blah blah blah about Covenant blocking it. Many of them always had the presumption of saying what the Alien franchise should and should not be about, sometimes claiming that the ideas and the concepts of the prequels were bad (LOL). Kinda hilarious after hearing all of this about Alien 5! With that said, I'm excited about Romulus because the atmosphere is closer to that of the first Alien, which is something I absolutely adore. Then I would love to see Covenant's sequel because David's story deserves a more fleshed out conclusion. It won't happen, but I still have some hope.
Glad to have enlightened you! I'd love to see David's story wrapped up as well. I think Romulus will tie up some things for fans once they've all been able too see it.
Well, first I wanna say, I've campaigned for years of an Alien film that retcons Alien3 & Alien Resurrection, because I never liked those sequels, only Alien & Aliens, before you say it, I've seen the Alien3 special edition, it didn't change my mind. I've also campaigned on an Alien film that would see the return of the Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and Bishop, in fact I've actually made an animated trilogy on the subject on my channel which I spent 5 years of my life on. The animation is terrible, but I gave five of years of my life to I wouldn't trade for the world. As for Blomkamp's Alien 5, it might've been weird, but I'm sure they could've taken all the weird stuff out of it and made into a cool movie, the storyboard seemed to suggest that Wey-Yu had found the Derelict on LV-26 and moved it to their headquarters at Wey-Yu Tower on Earth. Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and Bishop had found out about this and decided to infiltrate the tower and destroy the Aliens environmentalist-style, hence the bomb that was strapped to Ripley's in the storyboard. I even have a name for it, XCF, Xenomorph Countermeasure Force, which I had thought of for one of my drafts when I was writing my trilogy. Anywho, the mission goes south and the Aliens get loose, so Ripley locks down the tower to prevent the Aliens from escaping onto the planet. So our heroes and villains team up and must escape the building and destroy it before can Aliens escape. I also thought, maybe there's some kind of interstellar war going on, hence the South Korean soldier, that makes Wey-Yu want to use the Aliens to sell in arms race this war has sparked.
This was going to be shit, just like every sequel to Aliens not named Alien³ and you know that to be true, this film wanted to fundamentally change Alien and humanise the otherness out of it.
@WeylandYutaniCorp91 I couldn’t agree with you more. I was so excited for Alien 5 to be made. As it never happened I count Aliens as the true ending as Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop were on their way home to Earth. Alien 3 and Resurrection were Ripley’s nightmares during hyper sleep. Those two films in my opinion were abominations.
I do think this is one of those times where the mystique around the project is helped by it not being made rather than it having the final results disappoint people [especially given Blomkamp's recent films not being great].
Love Blomkamp but yh this film doesn't sound like my cup of tea for a big film anyway. Wouldn't mind for a comic version as he did put good work into the project so I do feel he deserves his story to be told.
Say whatever you want about Prometheus and Covenant, but at least they're movies in their own and don't try to sit on a back of alien 1 and 2, unlike alien 5 and Romulus. Romulus is very cool and all, but we probably need to make new stories and not just rehash nostalgic movies
In ways these ideas are absurd but in another perspective intriguing, could've been atrocious, could've been solid it's a question how it's executed. We've had our share of mediocre Alien movies that other fans have found value in and the franchise has kept going. Was half and half about the retcon decision, partly due to it being hard to make a satisfying continuation to Alien3 and Resurrection after how those films are regarded, the continuity was already thrown into split timelines with Williams Gibson's treatment being adapted into a comic and audio drama. Some fans lament this movie didn't happen whereas others are relieved. Theres a guarantee there will be other later Alien Legacy Sequels Reboots in the future, some films will be mediocre others will be competent. Like this Xenomorph itself it's endures.
Still don't see why this could not happen today. Granted the actors are getting older, there is still possibility they could bring them onboard in a certain capacity. It would be wise for them to bring this back to life and go forward
Sigourney Weaver has said she's not interested in returning to Ripley and Neil Blomkamp has said he wouldn't go through it again so it's got no chance of happening [and Lance Henderickson is too old now in his mid-80's]. The new film [with a new cast] doing well underlines as they'll just keep doing that instead.
Well, the human dna thing is not my cup of tea, but I do love the fact that the Xenos are growing their own ship it’s the same idea I have for my stories, though in mine they are using Space Jockey biotech (sorta like seeds that grow a spaceship) appropriated from WaYu who excavated it from a dig site on a colony.
Knowing how devisive Covenant was for offing Shaw and the Engineers and having David created a sect of Xenos, to Neil coming in and not only tossing what Scott did, but now have the derelict being made from human DNA and by that ruining the extended universe oof...I can see why Fox pulled the plug here and glad they did that since we gain Ripley back at the cost of destroying the extended universe...oh no lol!
If you remove the fan-service comebacks of Ripley, Hicks and Newt, what did this movie offer? Take away those character resurrections, and you’re left with a hot mess, which sounds like an incoherent mish mash of Aliens, District 9 and Chappie.
@@danielwoods3563 exactly and a horrible at it. Chappie truly shat da bed here. Watched it opening weekend thinking alright let’s see what he’s cooking here. My gawd that was a train wreck from the script to the editing. I thought they gave this clown the reigns to Alien. But thank goodness that film bombed since we would have gotten a dumpster fire with whatever this was going to be.
Yep, I was shocked to learn about the DNA aspect. Especially with all of his talk of taking it back to what fans wanted and correcting things. That to me, threw everything out the window and made it much worse than what we had been given from previous films and the prequels.
@@0311uli Blomkamp himself thinks that the poor reception to Chaippe killed his Alien project-so it sounds like the executives had a similar reaction to you!
@@MikesMonsters Just noticed ur reply. Having seen Romulus three times, I'm glad Fede acknowledged and picked important bits from the extended universe, making them officially canon. It was thrilling to see bits from the Cold Forge being mentioned. Knowing that Neil wanted to come in and wipe that out. I was like WTF man. I know many have issues with the Prequels, but Fede aptly course corrected some elements from Covenant back to Prometheus and how many suspected the pathogen came from the Xenos and the engineers/Space Jockeys reworked it to create or destroy life I'm like fck yea. That only help expand the lore, but keep important elements intact from the comics or novels. Had neil had his way...oof the fandom after a high of a few weeks with the film, would come for Neil and aptly drag him for destroying the entire Alien universe.
Some things are best left in the past; they can never recreate the magic and wonder of our beloved movies/TV Series’s that we grew up watching in the 70s, 80s and 90s. My imagination is all I rely on now days. I’m far from caring about remakes, prequels or sequels, because I’ve been burnt too many times, and incorrectly labelled as something because I did not agree nor confirm to a modern take.
What I don´t get is how this shares canon and a world/worldview with the first 2 films? I take Alien 3 (AC) any day over Blomkamp´s vague video game ideas. The art is great of course even if the ideas shown aren´t. The mini bursters are beyond comical! Make this into a comic or rewrite it into an original comic/anime plot with new leads set after Alien 3 with less "evolved" Xenos and no Queen power-suit cosplay trash and we might have a C+ on our hands.
Very difficult to make it through all of this due to the plain disrespect I’m hearing from Blomkamp regarding Alien 3. To have the audacity to come along and try to make a film which wipes #3 from canon with the SAME lead actor is crazy. I’m not denying his talent in filmmaking, clearly he’s very skilled. But this idea comes across like a teenager who didn’t get his own way. Say what you want about Alien 3 but it’s a very powerful and definitive ending for Ripley. I actually think the film holds up better than Aliens and I know I’m not the only one who feels that. Excellent cast, amazing visuals, I think given what went on behind the scenes we got was a stunning movie
I didn't care for Newt and Hicks, alien has never been about happiness and family, so screw that. Either kill Ripley, Newt, or Hicks but don't keep all of them. Alien 3 is my favorite even though some people dislike it.
Alien 3 is trash I'm sorry but it serves no purpose.... they should of all died at the end of aliens if that's what the studio wanted... , William Gibsons original script was better . And then we wouldn't have had resurrection either , just my opinion though.
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Who cares about the timeline, just make good movies or spinoffs that have the dark, gritty and helpless felling that the first two movies have.
The biggest draw of Alien 5 is that it was unproduced, and people can project their ideas and feelings onto it, thinking it would solve all of their issues that they have with the franchise. In reality the movie could have killed the franchise harder than any other sequel/prequel ever could have.
I want to reiterate, the ultimate plans for Alien 5 were nothing short of a steaming pile of garbage. Good God has Neil even seen the first two? He would have done to Alien what Shane Black did to Predator.
Na this alien 5 was gonna be the best alien movie since 86, all out action packed with the old cast but no we got a bunch of kids running around space screaming and the fact Neil was going forward where Ridley is going backwards and in between
Chappie was crappie this take on Alien would have been to. Ridley botched it up with Prometheus, and Fede got it 50% right. Disney should just do a hard reboot and only keep the Derelict, Jockey, eggs, Alien and transmission received by Earth. Ditch everything else and leave the legacy of Ripley, Newt, Hicks intact. Focus on strange frightening and horrific settings very long shots that make the audience uneasy and remove the overly fast paced action out of the franchise.. it just feels repetitive and honestly can't go anywhere new. Slow it down and creep us out, bother our brains and give us nightmares.
I was never on board. Eliminating Alien 3 is a big no-no. Despite Finchers distain, the ending is the gem. Ripley DIES taking down the xenomorph. The queen births from her and she wraps her hands around it taking it down to its demise. NBs movie appeared too left field and essentially bins Alien3. Glad it didnt happen.
@@BlueMarsalis Martian was a flop and the "last duel" was nothing but a vapid attack against men and this phony idea of patriarchy and that men are basically evil. Fuck those movies.
Ehhh, I can't really agree with that one. But we all have different tastes. But Blomkamp's movie wouldn't have been the franchise refresh fans wanted. It would have likely put it in the grave.
@@BlueMarsalis LOL, if you think Weyland Yutani represents capitalism, then you better start listening to or reading other sources of information. Otherwise, you're exactly the guy the stalinists are always looking for.
Knowing that at the end- the Studio decides- the implication of Weaver killed the movie. I would have loved that concept and a true Aliens sequel. However I would have preferred the initial movie, as originally intended by Blomkamp. Without Ripley/Hicks/Newt. Alien is such a rarity in movies, that any movie (made and done) is a miracle. The downfall of Alien 5 project proves that.
Maybe the movie without Hicks, Newt and Ripley could have been cool. But if it introduced the idea of the of the derelict ship from ALIEN being made out of human DNA by xenomorph saliva... I'm not so sure...
@@MikesMonsters Sure. As much as I love the engineers concept, we didn’t need the Alien’s origins. Nor the Engineers (who were this giger-esque gigantic elephant creatures, molded or part of a chair- genius concept, by the way).
After heading your commentating and seeing all the information, I think it was good Blomkamp’s idea never went through. I don’t he was the right guy for the film, unlike Fede who really has the background and strength for this series.
I think people will be grateful we got Fede's project over Neill's, thought it sucks Blomkamp went through so much to ultimately get nowhere. Thanks for watching!
He had Sigourney and Michael on board, plus even though I hate Ridley Scott, he was going to be producing, probably lending his Scott Free Films. You had the fans up in arms about it. They wanted it badly, and we would've loved to have seen what happened after Aliens instead of watching Ripley get tortured and destroyed in Alien 3. Neil's passion for the franchise and the first two movies would've made him more than a confident and competent director. Ridley Scott threw a bunch of salt in the game with his pole. He pushed 20th Century Fox to back out of this, and then it was just more salt in the wound when Ridley Scott's stupid movie Alien: Coincidence failed at the box office, which was also a terrible film. Did you know that Ridley Scott did that film just to sandbag Neil's Alien 5? That was confirmed. Alien 5 would've been a lot better than all the other crap we got. I'm not saying that the new Alien Romulus is going to be bad, but what happened to Alien 5 was a crime. It would have given the fans of James Cameron's action horror classic a good sendoff, even if it was a bad film, which I doubt it would have been, especially with all the passion behind it. Another reason why he didn't get a chance to direct Alien 5 was because of how Chappie did at the box office. I actually liked it, but for some reason, a lot of people couldn't get around those two dumbasses who played the lead anti-heroes. Yes, they were annoying, but Chappie was OK. Now sadly, in current canon, Newt and Hicks died terribly. The amount of story that could've been pulled from this little family, but was destroyed by the studio, is insane. I remember where I was when I heard that there was going to be an Alien 5 with Michael returning. I was in my jeep on the freeway, and when I heard it on a podcast, I went crazy. And then when I heard it wasn't going to be made, and then Ridley Scott's Alien Confused came out, I remember wanting to leave the theater halfway in. It should've been called Alien Fassbender. It was not right what they did to this Director he showed great potential for this franchise, but will never know the world that James Cameron created is what people want and it sells. People were excited about aliens, colonial marines, and they were amused by alien isolation. Once again, Cameron got the ladder treatment for some reason. Fox is indifference to Cameron's world, which is strange because it brought them a lot of money.
My understanding of the script, would have leaned more into Newts story and her PTSD dealing with the aliens. Newt would have been the main protagonist, and the story would have explored her struggles with PTSD and her connection to the Xenomorphs. The film would have also introduced a new cast of characters, including a group of space marines and scientists who are investigating the Xenomorph threat. The plot would have likely involved a new alien outbreak, possibly on a different planet or in a different part of the galaxy, and Newt's journey to confront her past and stop the aliens once and for all. The film would have also likely explored themes of trauma, survival, and redemption, and would have featured plenty of action, suspense, and horror elements.
Good grief are we lucky this movie wasn't made! How awful. Having the derelict be made of human DNA and engineered by the Xenomorphs is as dumb as the idea for Ripley 8. Hard to believe that somebody over at Fox actually made a smart decision, however in this case ... well just wow.
I am very glad this died. The worst kind of fanwank, and wiping out 3 and A:R, both of which I like. I also hated the railed Pulse Rifle. Alvarez's movie looks so much better. That Alien maquette is beautiful but the rationale for four arms and digitigrade legs is just more fanwank.
We're STILL banging on about this!? Let it lie man! For better or for worse, things have moved on! And we have a new film coming up anyway... Which COULD be.... COULD be... A good Alien film for once!!!
I still want this film! Why can't we have this? They're doing everything and anything why not just do this as well cuz everybody wants to see it? And Neal is one of those guys that I wish hollywood would rubber stamp about anything he might want to do.
I think Neill wasn't too keen on changing some of his whacky ideas, like the derelict ship from the first movie being made out of human DNA by Xenomorphs. He doesn't seem as open to outside ideas.
Fellow farted in the Instagram elevator then got out. I think what he did was pretty cynical and a really, really p**s poor example of trying to get a movie off the ground through internet fan anointed hype and approval. Manipulative. Giving fan news circuits the idea they have some form of control or final say rather than the filmmakers as if they cast Christian Bale in Batman Begins or the like. Given the online vibe you mention and rather unreasonable hate trains that developed (I really do understand the criticism, however), you really won't see a conclusion to what was a pretty decent alien side story with David I suspect. Although, you would still likely be seeing a similar expansion of the series as it has taken with new books, games and other filmed stories since, because of those two films. What a waste. That's 'fan power'... It's what gave us AvP.
Blomkamp's ideas for a new Alien movie are so poor (it would never be Alien 5 from obvious reasons). The lad had done D9 and after that all was pretty shitty, he can't write a good story anymore. There is a proper sequel to Aliens, it was released in 1992 and it's called Alien³. Is he done with a new version of Robcop 2 too (as he didn't like the actual R2). Pathetic.
Agreed! He seems to have a thing for "correcting" franchises he thinks went wrong. But his opinion is not the same as all the other fans, and I think we got lucky that his project never saw the light of day.
He's got something that nobody has, some SciFi futuristic brutal emotional vision, I like all his movies but that one about demonic possession. District 9 has still the best special effects after the Avatar movies, plus the gore, I'd like to see his alien movie, it'd be at least better than Prometheus and Covenant.
Great video but having seen how bad every movie Blomkamp has made post District 9, I'm glad he didn't get to make Alien 5. It would have been crap and would have done further damage to the brand after how bad Covenant was too. I have way more faith in Fede Alvarez than a guy who hasn't made a good movie since 2009.
@@Right_Said_Brett all prequels. Nothing set after the alien3 or resurrection timelines. The franchise comes to an end after alien3 with nowhere to go. So, the simple answer is that in order for the franchise to move forward they have to erase alien3 and make a new third movie.
@@peterkrochmalni673 But... Resurrection followed Alien 3, so no; it was not a "franchise killer". Also, why do seem to think that the studio can't make an Alien movie without Ripley (in fact, there's literally such a movie coming out in August)?
Mixed feelings on Blomkamp. Obviously a talented filmmaker, but even his good stuff always feels like it's missing beats or lacking resolution. If the weird ideas about the retroconned derelict and xenomorph exoarmor are factual and not just some misinterpreted detail, it wouldn't surprise me. He goes out on a limb with crazy ideas but doesn't take the audience along in the way someone like Cameron does with relatable characters and quippy dialog to guide audiences through his ideas. Throw in the ego pissing match with Scott and the Fox fallout and it's doomed. What the franchise needs is a quality character driven story with a fresh take on the material that isn't trying to just live under the shadow of Scott and Cameron with pandering fan service by regurgitating their imagery. Recent entries may have been flawed films, but at least they were trying a novel approach. I suspect Romulus will be the inverse of that: not as flawed, but also not original either, because it's just another love letter to Scott and Cameron. It's like these films can literally only be either completely derivative or completely peculiar, but can't do both at the same time. Who knows, maybe Hawley can deliver something that is both fresh and cohesive for once...
Oof, looks like Fox did the right thing and released the lesser of two evils. I don't know. I think the legacy sequel that Alien needs is the story on earth where they finally openly show that Blade Runner and Alien are in the same universe. Or, or, we can do the right thing and just stay with the first 3 movies. Everything else is just more silly fun that dilutes the integrity of the trilogy.
The only thing that I don't like about this project is the human DNA on the Derelict, as I am a lover of the Space Jockey concept, and I hold Aliens: Apocalypse as the true "prequel" to Alien, which has a Space Jockey and a Jockey-Xenomorph. However, all the other concepts are incredibly cool.
These Aliens2 fans man ughhh. This franchise is not everyone childhood dream of living happily ever after If you sad that Newt and Hicks are gone get over that shit and grow up honestly it's only those Aliens2 fans that is destroying this franchise with there wet dreams about Ripley and Hicks living happily ever after raising Newt like this is not a Disney show it suppose to be dark and brutal and I'm happy with what the sequels have brought and the only thing I hated about Prometheus and Covenant was the futuristic taste and abandoning the retro aesthetic of the original regardless that I liked those movies.
Romulus brings back the dark and brutal that I think fans have been hoping for. Blomkamp's project would have been a wild messy ride, and not in a fun way.
Prometheus and Covenant have never grown on me. Ridley Scott should stay out of future Alien projects. I know it's his "baby", but somewhere along the line he lost touch. The "David" character was the worst, don't care about him, good riddance. Prometheus at least had some potential, but Covenant was written so idiotically and with such a lack of intelligence that the writers responsible should stay away from anything more complicated than a "Twilight" sequel going forward.
I agree. Another example is Terminator, James Cameron's baby, but he fully supported the last 2 shitty sequels. I now think that they consciously make bad movies to harm such series. I can't think of anything else.
I like David... He's one of the few things I actually like in the prequels. He's an awesome android addition to the franchise. Where they took him in the plot is another story though.
@@Armagedd0n Cameron admitted he only publicly supported Genysis as a favour to Arnie [who did the same thing out of loyalty to the series to Terminator Salvation] but he was involved in 'Dark Fate' as he's is credited as a producer and for the story on 'Dark Fate' [even if he apparently never visited the set].
@@jamesatkinsonja Yes, I know these facts because unfortunately I am a big fan of this series. Currently, James Cameron is writing a new Terminator movie script, he announced it in an interview, he did not give much information. But I have no hope for this project either. The spell is broken now.
Father of the Alien franchise, yeah... The universe was created with Aliens, right after Aliens, with Book 1, 2 and 3 (Outbreak, Nightmare Asylum, Female War) and so on. Ridley Scott also didn't come up with the idea of it nor the script, and I will never forgive what him and the others for retconning the Space Jockey into the useless Engineers, which don't do anything. I don't like NB's idea of human dna on the derelict, but "father of the franchise" to Scott? Yeah, not at all... By the way, great video. It was amazing to watch.
If it weren't for him, Alien would have been some forgettable B-movie with a murderous space cockroach that wouldn't spawn anything afterward. Fox originally didn't want to have Giger on board because they thought he belonged in an insane asylum, but Ridley demanded to have Giger work on the film after O'Banon showed him the Necronomicon book. He also had to fight to keep some things in the movie that Fox wanted to cut out like, the Space Jockey set you’re so emotionally attached to. Nobody is perfect, but without him, Alien wouldn’t be Alien.
If the film isn’t going to be made, I think it would be really cool to see a graphic novel series of it. There is already a graphic novel of Dan O’Bannon’s original screenplay of Alien
Good job on this - thanks for putting it all in a timeline as it really helped.
I figured a timeline was the best way to lay it all out! Thank you for watching!!
Blomkamp’s “script” was rumored to be just a 10 page treatment with a shit ton of impressive concept art. Fox told him maybe while Scott was finishing covenant. After covenant bombed, the project was scrapped completely like you mentioned.
This makes no sense at all to cancel this project after the failure of Alien Covenant.
I hope this cancelled film gets revived and bring in Neil Blomkamp to make this film retcon all alien films (3-4 sequels, requel and prequels) like they didn't exist.
@@markabenjamin6284 Well it does as if the sequel to Prometheus [which did make good money] helmed by a well established director 5 years later wasn't a big hit, why would they be confident a sequel to Aliens made 30+ years later with a lower profile director would work [especially given Blade Runner 2049 wasn't a big hit despite critical acclaim]? Sigourney has said she's not interested in it now anyway.
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Due to interference from 20th Century Fox and Ridley Scott who plans to make more prequels and they cancelled alien 5 reboot before the release of Alien Covenant
@@markabenjamin6284 Blomkamp himself thinks they lost interest in the idea after Chappie didn't do well.
@@markabenjamin6284 based. I want that trashy ProSHITeus and CRAPvenant out of the Aliens universe. Fuck the Space Jockey retcon through the useless engineers
Despite his vision of Halo never happening, I want to imagine Blomkamp would have gotten Sigourney to play Dr. Halsey.
Now that would be great casting.
That would have been some good casting for sure.
OOOOH!
Regardless of what people want, I crave this visual style and twisted weirdness. It's like fresh air, and opens up possibilities for some heavy plot. I don't want to watch a copy paste alien movie. I don't even want spaceship crews. This research facility and experiments topic gives me the shivers it's so good. Knowing all this, what we missed with this film, just makes me super sad 😞. They could at least make a video game from it.
Hopefully we can get a comic or some type of adaptation to see what was in store for us all.
This concept would feel better if it was it's own beast, and not part of Alien. It feels like the Japanese comic Parasyte or The Thing.
@@KruceroKory would be happy for that too. after watching romulus i felt like the alien franchise has entered into a circle where it's just recycling the existing elements not adding any new interesting twists to the universe.
Agree. I hope it gets turned into a book, or comic book or a videogame. I found Romulus embarrassing. I have read all the Aliens comic books, from 1988 to 2021, played tons of Aliens game and I am right now reading all the books. Blomkamp still wanted to give us the Space Jockeys, not the useless albino retcons that don't do anything. And don't get me started on Romulus, a movie that re-shot scenes of older movies and quoted Alien and Aliens directly with 0 originality. Fuck this. Sticking to comicbooks and games like Dark Descent. Wish Blomkamp did the Alien movie. Have you watched his Rakka short film with Sigourney Weaver?
@@Jockey_Xenomorph @Jockey_Xenomorph yay, can't wait to play dark descent, seems super cool! i watched most of the oat studios shorts, but for some reason rakka was left out, thanks for the tip!
Thank you for putting together such a concise and thorough timeline.
Thank you for watching!
I'd love if they attempted a graphic novel like Vincent Ward's abandoned Alien 3 pitch (which as far as I'm aware, never got finished)
I completely agree!
Yes!! That would ease the pain of this movie not happening a little.
Would love this too. Also wish that graphic novel gets published. Always loved that script.
Would be nice to have an Alien movie where Sigourney, Michael, Lance, and maybe a new actress playing Newt reunite. The actors are getting older and it seems as though Disney is trying to get new actors in with the upcoming Fede Alvarez version but I hope they bring in the Neil Blomkamp version we all wanted a decade ago
At this point, all the actors are a little too old for this kind of thing. Especially Lance.
@@MikesMonsters He certainly sounded his age on the 'William Gibson Alien 3' audio play.
Making it an animated movie could bypass the issue.
Xenomorphs building ships using human parts? Sounds like parody but actually let's also add dancing and singing chartbusters and make Alien the musical out of this idea. Remember singing and dancing chartbuster from Space Balls? Haven't you ever wondered what happened to that little guy? Maybe they should push this further. He could board some ship and cause havoc among it's crew singing all along. THAT could be awesome thing - and start series of Alien musical sequels.
I've always been very curious about this project, but hearing what you've said it might be best it didn't happen.
It's so disheartening to hear people say Alien is Ridleys own creation. It's simply not. He directed it, sure, after being brought in very late, but the idea was not his, the script wasn't his.
But if it weren't for him, and him going through the Necronomicon by Tiger after it was handed to him, we likely wouldn't have the look of the iconic xenomorph and much more. Ridley might not be wholly responsible for the entirety of ALIEN, but he is responsible for the look, feel, tone and vibe the movie delivered. It's understandable how people see it as his.
@@MikesMonsters he fortunately trusted the opinion of Dan O'Bannon who brought the Necromicon to him and showed him Necronom. Dan O'Bannon was the heart of ALIEN.
I can see both sides of this argument.
@@MikesMonsters Dan O'Bannon introduced the Necromicon to Scott after meeting Giger while working on pre-production of the unmade Jodorovsky's Dune. It was his baby. But again, it was the perfect blend of all the right people and ingredients. I now believe A L I E N belongs to us all.
Scott did contribute to the script uncredited like adding a second climax.
People complain about Prometheus and Covenant demystifying the xenomorph and space jockey, but having the derelict being made out of human DNA? I don’t think anything could destroy the mystery more than that. What an awful idea. For me, the Engineer storyline brought even more mystery. In a genre bloated with different imaginings of alien species, the Engineers still stand out as one of the more unique and fascinating. And even with the introduction of the Engineers, Prometheus still made it clear the Xenomorph predated David and maybe the Engineers themselves.
Also, if we really want to speak the truth, Aliens did more damage to the xenomorph than the prequels. But people won't aver admit that
@satanistclub they aren't by any means, but okay. I'll tell you more: they're the best movies in the franchise after Alien and Aliens. At a great distance from Alien³ and then Resurrection.
I'm w/ya... that was the biggest surprise in this video... and NOT in a good way.
@@Jerry98x YES! nostgia is totally blinding about Aliens. Great movie but turning the aliens into just bugs? Boring af and super demystifying. And its the reason Xenomorphs later on go turned into basically just raptors in Resurrection and the AVP films.
Still cool on its own (space marines vs bugs) but Alien had the creature especially with deleted scenes acting so much more bizarre plus the cocooning being even more disturbing.
You're spot on with implication and theory that the Xenomorphs predate the engineers. Personally there's some much freedom and creativity with the engineers in the universe. Who knew if the engineers tampered with the xenomorphs and corrupted them? Was there ever a pure Xenomorph since the ones we know grow from hosts? Is the Deacon related to the idea of an ancient xenomorph? Plus all the potential of the black goo that could give us some insane Dead Space level horror?
I think the biggest issue is the engineers dont look like what people wanted. But personally, the engineers to me may just be another rung in the hierachy and potentially be similar to the androids humans made. Beings created to be perfect and tend to things while the creators get to sit back and be otherwise occupied with even more wild things.
I like Alien Romulus a whole bunch, and who knows if this movie would have been good but I’m sad we don’t get to see Hicks again, Michael Biehn is one of my favorite actors.
I find Blomkamps comment about not wanting to play with someone elses property very strange because I remember in 2018/19 it was rumoured he was going to Direct Robocop returns before that project fell apart, He now seems to be kinda in limbo with Demonic and Gran Tursimo like what happened with him?
Provably he did something or say something that someone didn't like it or simply because the franchise's right where in another people's hands and they didn't like the idea. Who knows, but one thing is sure, he felt in disgrace, in my opinion, and it's sad.
I always thought it was bizarre that Blomkamp was going to ignore Robocop 2 with Robocop Returns.
He definitely made some contradictory statements during all the interviews.
@@MikesMonsters considering he pretty much made a robocop movie with Chappie I dunno what he would of brought to the table with Returns.
The fact he went through the same dance on Robocop with that also not being made does make me think hes more talk that substance.
Honestly? Maybe it was a good thing that Blomkamp's movie didn't get made, especially with the new plot point that you just unveiled.
Yeah, I didn't like that idea either. I get they're smart, but sounds too much.
Biomechanical doesn’t necessitate intention.
Yeah, I think we dodged a bullet in the end.
It sounds like the concept art before the story was way over the top and all over the place. I’m kinda glad alien 5 was never made.
The DNA ship lost me. Kinda glad we didn't go there. Don't get me wrong, the biomech concept was much more alluring. Perhaps the pathogen's creators sought to fuse an empire of alien species with their technology, seeding the universe with life not unlike the Engineers and humans as well as cleansing world's with the Xenomorphic progeny of the pathogen when weaponised. An originator that had long since died, leaving only the living machines of their final attempt to forestall their own extinction. Perhaps the Xenomorph simply happens because a careless creator underestimated the virility of the Deacon's Blood.
Yep, I am of a very similar mind. The engineers in my mind are the gardeners of eden left to continue their work after god has gone MIA or is busy elsewhere. The xenomorphs being a parasitic species beg the question, is there a pure xenomorph that came before a host species ever changed them? Is the deacon an ancient predecessor or something "close" to what a pure xenomorph is? I certainly like to think that the pathogen came about by trying to replicate something inside the deacon/xenomorphs and it went kind of wrong becoming more of a weapon.
Yeah, that bit of information made me flip my whole opinion on the project. It sounded like an absolute mess.
Loved the video! Feels good finally knowing some details to go with the art. I can get behind some of the ideas (Alien martial being used to convert humans into stuff) but not so much others (the aliens being the ones to do it). With the info here, I think theres parts of a really cool story about the Bio-Weapons division finally getting an Alien, that drifted away a little to far into some high tier weirdness (Which I can always get behind depending on execution.)
Thank you so much for watching! I'm glad I was able to share some information too. I find the artwork fascinating, yet happy it never got made into a full motion picture.
Awesome insight and video 💯🫡
Thank you so much! Glad it was informative for you!!! Thanks for watching!
I wonder why we haven't seen anything on Noah Hawleys Alien series on FX yet...aren't they shooting in thailand? No leaks?
There was some concept art leaks from AvPGalaxy over the last few years, but that production has been on lockdown otherwise. They likely don't want it to confuse or interfere with Romulus. But once that's out, it'll be just the right time to start marketing for the series.
We've just had a short teaser so more will follow.
Great video. I noticed you and many others in your field will all mention that Neca is releasing the Alien figure and accessories pack.Why is no one asking if there will be human figures made? Wouldn't a Rain figure be great? Or even Kay figure with the Offspring? Neca are notorious for under representing female characters from their product line.
People are definitely asking for those figures, but we just don't have any confirmation or announcements just yet. I think once Scorched and the accessory set release, we might hear some more as NECA hinted that there was more in the works.
Basically if they want to do or finish Ripley story please do alien awakening
@16:01 so Ridley did read a full first screenplay draft!?!?
They mention later in the video that the the 'screenplay' was more an outline/concept rather than an actual script. Maybe it's poor wording on Scott's part.
He read something, but I don't believe it ever got to the length of a full screenplay and was more just an outline than anything.
Excellent Work , Cheers 🍻
Thank you so much for watching, Brad!
@@MikesMonsters thank You 😉
Excellent video.
Thank you for watching!!!
The concept art could have made the movie extremely dark and a true horror. Imagine each marine soldier in full control of genetically created and coded to the soldier an alien super soldier remotely controlled and under full obedience of the marine. Now imagine going after predators or Engineers with battles planetary wide using aliens against engineers and predators. A very dark and mature movie is what we need.
Human Juggernaut ship - nope
Big nope. Big, big nope.
Great video Mike - another superlative Aliens piece! I liked the concept art of Bloomkamp's alien film and can see a lot of the OATS Studio feel and vibe (which I love). I feel Neil Bloomkamp leans more towards Cameron than Scott with his storytelling style - what I like about this possible version is that it seems to balance fan anticipation with some really daring albeit hard to fathom new ideas (Xenos as pioneering ship builders) Still, the idea of 'Aliens' was also kind of revolutionary compared to the first film - loads of aliens and loads of guns - it could have been a disaster. So part of me thinks a director like Bloomkamp with a great track record in bio-mechanical stories is better equipped than most to make it work.
It's important for people to realize that much of these concept arts are just that, a concept. Artists fire off all kinds of doodles and ideas while they're developing ideas. Some get expanded while others are at the same time retracted. Plenty of the concepts we've seen would never have made it past the illustrations and this is part/parcel of that process with artists. People just wanna jump to conclusions because so many people invested themselves in the shitty prometheus films and simply can't accept that those films were garbage and not needed in the franchise. Nothing but atheistic wet dreams.
Perhaps Blomkamp's "Alien 5" could be turned into a video game instead of a movie. I can see it become a Resident Evil 4-style survival-horror game, perhaps w/co-op. Not sure who has the Alien ip license -- tho I think it's SEGA.
A video game could indeed be interesting, as long as they don't call it canon like they tried with Colonial Marines!
Another such intriguing idea about origin from the Earth... But makes questions -- where is alien ??? and why the ship was so far from the Earth and ruled by not a beast, not a human ???
Really enjoyed this documentary, well done. I got the impression that Ridley Scott cock-blocked the project, but I don’t know how he managed to get so much hype with just a treatment pitch and nice art work? But the idea of the ship being made out of human DNA by the xenomorph would’ve had every audience shaking their heads in disbelief. And we thought Prometheus was wacky?
But Alien: Romulus seems to have been the sequel all Alien fans have been waiting for for decades. Neil Blomkamp must be thinking “That coulda been me!”
Alien: Romulus was a cut and paste rip-off of far better movies, to me.
Still sad we didn't get to see this love Neill's work!
I think we dodged a death of the intellectual property.
Maybe we will see it adapted in comic form one day.
I was already turned off at the sight of Ripley in the Kenner A.T.A.X. armor… but the idea that the aliens are capable of making spacecrafts is too far. That’s far more stupid than anything Ridley did in his prequels.
In hindsight, I’m amused by all of the fans saying the prequels ruined the franchise while claiming this film would have saved it.
Have no idea what you're referencing? The prequels are dog shit, don't kid yourself, you're certainly not kidding anybody else.
I'm not a fan of the prequels, but this seems terrible
@@jasonleveck8546 The OP never said that the prequels were good movies. They simply said that Blomkamp's movie sounded even worse, which it did.
@@Right_Said_Brett many, myself included do not think the movie sounded worse, in fact it sounded pretty bad ass and quite likely would've set the franchise to right. I'll go with the credibility of Weaver and Cameron over simple fan boys.
@@jasonleveck8546 Yet more insults, in place of actual rebuttals to the arguments which I've made. It doesn't matter whether you liked the sound of Blomkamp's Alien movie. It's completely irrelevant. You said that Alien 3 killed the franchise. I pointed out why that was not the case. Stay to the topic at hand, you petulant child.
I just learned recently that ridley and obanon in the original script had the xenomorphs evolve beyond what we see in the final movie, this was just it's first adult stage to secure survival. They where planning to show intelligence, that they could pilot spaceships and build them. They wherent just a biological weapon they where supossed to be able to repopulate the planet they where unleashed on and he the engineers next evolution of "mankind".
When I first heard this it made no sense to me since the animalistic insect like behavior we have seen since the 80s doesn't lend itself to that idea.. But the more concept art I see of them, from all these diffent artist, especially the very upright ones, if you look closely and imagine them as intelligent sentient beings.. The look still kinda works..
Even in this video there's a one of them lying in what looks like medical bays but swap that for a pilot seat.. It could work.. I don't know if a living human dna ship could be pulled off in a way that made sense but intelligent xenomorphs.. Mabye
I do think people like to make out Ridley Scott is the 'villain' here [especially if they don't like his Prequels] when he is a producer on the new Alien: Romulus and Blade Runner: 2049 with Denis Villeneuve [who's a far bigger director than Neil Blomkamp even at the time] so he's clearly willing to work with other talents on his projects which he would have done on this one as he was going to produce it and after all a similar journey happened to Blomkamp's Robocop movie which Scott had no involvement with.
Very good point!!
But what role would Sharlto Copley play?
He said he'd enjoy playing a xenomorph!
The terrific stories created in the Dark Horse universe is full of gold and diamonds for the mining of various series. I think much of this content would be not only well suited to the cinema but also the episodic format of the various streamers. Unfortunately Disney owns the rights to the franchise and that is not a good thing.
Disney is doing alright, plus, it's still FOX who's running it and nothing has changed there. I can definitely tell you Romulus isn't tame.
@@MikesMonsters I hope it's good, great in fact. All I know, is that i'd love for the same magic of Aliens once again.
Lately, Disney is really fucking the dog and their constant political pontificating is showing to be a real loser in the gross receipts of their movies.
@MichaelMathes-ec1lj They're creating content to intentionally piss people off. They achieved that and are now being ran out of town on a pole, as it should be. My cousin worked for them and actually has a credit on the second Dr. Strange and 3rd Guardians. She went out into the desert and did the very last scene where they show the "new guardians" at the very end. She said she rode out in a production van and that the Rocket Raccoon was actually animatronic for some of the scene.
@jasonleveck8546 that one DH ALIENS comic that had a... black goo on it released in the 90s I think it was and scott probably "took" some of it and made it Prometheus lol
@@arvinjay336 Wouldn't be surprised. Lot of those Dark Horse series were big time good works of literary art.
I'm still sad that Neil didn't get to make his film, however, I do think if it happened, that he would be better suited with someone on set to tell him when certain ideas were bad, and so on. Some of his designs and plot points were a little too rehashy to me, and I also think he could tone down his choppy editing and slow motion, which he tends to overuse from my view.
He didn't seem to like when some people in production told him his ideas weren't the best. He seemed really resistant to outside opinions, and even stated he doesn't like being told what to do.
@@MikesMonsters That's too bad. Might be someone who's hard to work with then.
welllllll. Speaking of the topic of "rehashy", let me know what you think of Alien: Romulus when you see it. And surprisingly, despite the divided reaction among fans, it is doing spectacular at the box office despite some rehashy stuff, stuff I personally think is more rehashy than anything rumored in Blomkamp's idea.
@@MikesMonsters That figures given his Robocop movie also ended up being cancelled. 'Gran Tourismo was a 'director for hire gig' by the sounds of it so he'd have had to do what he was told on that one.
I still believe they should make a film of River of Pain.
That would be very interesting!
Covenant and Prometheus have grown on you? What? Like an alien spore fungus? :)
Basically! haha. But I don't love them like I do the original films. I just like some of the things they do in the films, but the overall packages I've got some serious issues with. But with more time with them, I've learned to appreciate some bits and pieces.
For all the alien³ hate, i like it as a film; it feels almost like it was written as a theatre production in that it is mostly characters in rooms talking to each other, more like a thriller than action or horror, it containing bare few relevant examples of either. But to that point alien has been a franchise of different genres and styles. Perhaps this wasn't a great idea for a blockbuster franchise but it is in keeping with the tradition of the films to that point. Since the first film was a horror the second couldn't do that because it had already been done so they make action, which of course the third film couldn't follow without retreading all the same tropes so they took it in a different direction again; this film is more of a companion to the series for the lore nerds and fangirls without drastically affecting a wider theme of the inhumanity of humankind. Viewed through the lens of the great evil of the franchise being people, having a film comprised of prisoners set in a doomed dilapidated facility who's only chance of escaping the Star beast is via the company troopers who are literally there to kill everyone except the xenomorph and to have it caps with the death of Ripley totally underlines all of that, although it does make it something of a bummer to watch lol
And for everyone sitting on Resurrection, it was made as a completely different format of action movie more like the over the top comic esq s films of the time and also contains a scene between two of the greatest actresses sigourney weaver and Winona Ryder play a clone and a synthetic standing in a chapel debating who isn't human which frankly could be a film all of it s own
Great points!
This DNA stuff sounds... weird! Would it be something like eggmorphing? I think i really don't understand how this should work out.
Very weird, right?! I think it's safe to assume it would be like egg morphing, or some similar type of method is how the process was started. I wasn't given the full exact detailing of the process of that, unfortunately.
@@MikesMonsters there is a concept art of a morphing guy and Ripley is scared of him. Maybe something like this. I have to say, i like this more than the Black goo. But its still weird. 😀
@@MikesMonsters I suspect that we can see a part of the process in one of the concept art pieces within your video; the one where Ripley is looking distraught over human soup stuck to the wall.
Basically, the idea is that the Derelict spaceship is a Von Neumann probe. It's a cybernetic organism that was designed to be self-replicating. The Xenomorph functions like a cell that both copies itself and converts raw material into new space ships. I imagine it would look similar to eggmorphing, with many people being brought to a growing mass of hive material which melts them down and assimilates their matter.
Reading between the lines, my guess is the title would have been ALIENS II. Eloquently separates it from the Prometheus movies, and tells new and old audiences exactly what it is and where it sits in the series
It would have been District 9 meets ALIENS, and not in a good way.
The rumour was the title was 'Aliens: Awakenings'
38:38 the follow up to Alien Covenant could potentially have been called Alien Destiny? There were vague reportings that confused whether Ridley’s next entry would’ve been called Alien Awakening or if that was the title for Blomkamp’s unmade film. Was Alien Destiny a place holder or just a potential working title?
The name Destiny could have been changed later on, but that was the internal name used at the studio during early talks.
I remember at the time Ridley Scott saying 'Awakenings' was the title of the cancelled Blomkamp film. I think people assumed he was talking about it being re-purposed for the Covenant sequel but apparently not. If it had gone ahead, I'd imagine Destiny may well have been changed [like Covenant was originally called 'Paradise lost'].
Hi Mike, thanks for the video. The whole problem here is that we already had Prometheus filmed, where there was black slurry. Ridley already had a script for a covenant with David playing another David's pipe. So, the question is, where did human DNA come from, if we now have the slurry from Prometheus and the covenant?) if there was a ready-made model of aliens2, if we have so much concept art, then most likely the film was at the starting point of filming. so, most likely the studio was waiting to see if Elysium would take off, but instead Elysium failed, they began to wait for covenant, otherwise they would invest 150-200 million in another film, which would also not pay off so-so. the covenant failed, district number 9 failed. Well, in principle, it’s obvious that the director was pushed aside, but! if he was pushed back, why are his ideas possibly going to be used in future films?)
That's a great question, and a very confusing one for sure. One day we might get all the information after time has passed.
12:30 Good lord. Hudson back too? We retconing everything now? So stupid. 3 and Resurrection are out there. Give it up. So is Prometheus. Alvarez did it perfectly. It tied everything together and it was amazing. So tired of Aliens fan bois wanting Aliens V2.0. 3 and Resurrection aren’t that bad.
In fairness I took that as Bill Paxton doing a 'If you need me, I'll do it' statement [probably prompted by his agent] but I don't think Hudson was a part of it at any point [and of course Paxton passed away in early 2017 ].
Certainly messy ideas all around!
Damn. I love all of this. Too bad Ridley’s ego got in the way.
Somebody did not watch the movie. It is quite the opposite.
Even the part about the crashed Derelict ship from ALIEN being made out of Human DNA?
I still think Neil Blomkamps Alien 5 would have done a FAR better job of an Alien sequel, then Alien 3 or 4 did. And we dont even talk about Prometheus or Covenant, both of which dont even feel like an Alien movie. Its disheartening to see the state of the franchis. Luckily it seems like Alien Romulus is a success, which hopefully sends a signal that people still want Alien, but more like 1 and 2 and not the other sequels.
So sad that we got neither this "Alien 5" film OR "Alien: Paradise Lost," which sounds like it would have been a far superior film to "Alien: Covenant." It feels like the franchise was so close to going in 2 exciting new directions, only for them to scrap everything and release a very generic studio Xenomorph film. Instead, I just watch Blomkamp's short film "Rakka" and pretend like that's his "Alien 5." 😂
It would have certainly been an interesting route to go down. Could have been good, could have been horrible. We will never really know!
Eh, I'd trade my good arm to get my precious Hicks back, but not like this. Seems like fan fiction to me. And despite the mess around it, Alien 3 is a wonderful movie and probably my 2nd favorite in the trilogy after Aliens. I wouldnt want to lose those original 3
The feeling I got of 20th century and pine woods studio's was this strong desire to jettison the James Cameron sequel from the timeline. it goes all the way back to when they were making aliens. there seemed to be a resistance to anything not made by Scott and even though Aliens was this massive hit. it;s like they shrugged at it, and when they had a chance to build upon Aliens what did they do?.....
Exactly, they eliminated the connection to the sequel and basically hit reset as if part 2 never happened. and now decades later when the subject gets brought up again what happened? Scott has it burned and buried.
It's interesting that even in the earliest drafts of Alien 3, Newt is written out really quickly [and Hicks takes the lead only because Ripley is mostly absent] so it feels like they didn't know what to do with the characters they inherited from Cameron so they were just discarded [there were plans to use a clone of Newt in Resurrection if they couldn't get Sigourney to be in it]. Like Terminator after T2, it would have been interesting to see how it would have turned out with Cameron directing but that wasn't something he was interested in doing then [he wasn't involved in Alien 3 at any point]. I do wonder if Terminator: Dark Fate came out of Cameron trying to support the 'Alien 5' idea given he'd just got some control back over that property.
Alien³ once again proves itself to be the best outcome.
I agree since this Aliens2 would have just imploded the entire universe. We had enough with the fans forcing Fox and Scott to course correct Prometheus and we got that dumpster fire with Covenant, but this oh no, this would have been far worse. Glad that Alien³ survived and fight for another day.
The death of Hicks and Newt is the best outcome? What is wrong with you?
100%
The Assembly Cut is a f-ing masterpiece and I will die on that hill!
@@peterkrochmalni673seeing Gibson script and now what Blomkamp wanted to do. Yeah it was the best thing to happen since it’s obvious there’s nothing new to be said with those characters. Instead used them to destroy the extended universe. Yea no.
Alien 3 is amazing. I'm still so glad they made that movie
Back then I was interested in this Alien 5 and I used to think that it was a shame it got canceled, mainly because I loved the concept arts.
But this whole ship thing with the human DNA is possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of and honestly I'm happy that nothing like this has materialized.
Some people hated on the prequels because they wanted Neill Blomkamp's Alien and the whole blah blah blah about Covenant blocking it. Many of them always had the presumption of saying what the Alien franchise should and should not be about, sometimes claiming that the ideas and the concepts of the prequels were bad (LOL). Kinda hilarious after hearing all of this about Alien 5!
With that said, I'm excited about Romulus because the atmosphere is closer to that of the first Alien, which is something I absolutely adore.
Then I would love to see Covenant's sequel because David's story deserves a more fleshed out conclusion. It won't happen, but I still have some hope.
Glad to have enlightened you! I'd love to see David's story wrapped up as well. I think Romulus will tie up some things for fans once they've all been able too see it.
Well, first I wanna say, I've campaigned for years of an Alien film that retcons Alien3 & Alien Resurrection, because I never liked those sequels, only Alien & Aliens, before you say it, I've seen the Alien3 special edition, it didn't change my mind. I've also campaigned on an Alien film that would see the return of the Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and Bishop, in fact I've actually made an animated trilogy on the subject on my channel which I spent 5 years of my life on. The animation is terrible, but I gave five of years of my life to I wouldn't trade for the world. As for Blomkamp's Alien 5, it might've been weird, but I'm sure they could've taken all the weird stuff out of it and made into a cool movie, the storyboard seemed to suggest that Wey-Yu had found the Derelict on LV-26 and moved it to their headquarters at Wey-Yu Tower on Earth. Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and Bishop had found out about this and decided to infiltrate the tower and destroy the Aliens environmentalist-style, hence the bomb that was strapped to Ripley's in the storyboard. I even have a name for it, XCF, Xenomorph Countermeasure Force, which I had thought of for one of my drafts when I was writing my trilogy. Anywho, the mission goes south and the Aliens get loose, so Ripley locks down the tower to prevent the Aliens from escaping onto the planet. So our heroes and villains team up and must escape the building and destroy it before can Aliens escape. I also thought, maybe there's some kind of interstellar war going on, hence the South Korean soldier, that makes Wey-Yu want to use the Aliens to sell in arms race this war has sparked.
This was going to be shit, just like every sequel to Aliens not named Alien³ and you know that to be true, this film wanted to fundamentally change Alien and humanise the otherness out of it.
@WeylandYutaniCorp91 I couldn’t agree with you more. I was so excited for Alien 5 to be made. As it never happened I count Aliens as the true ending as Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop were on their way home to Earth. Alien 3 and Resurrection were Ripley’s nightmares during hyper sleep. Those two films in my opinion were abominations.
I do think this is one of those times where the mystique around the project is helped by it not being made rather than it having the final results disappoint people [especially given Blomkamp's recent films not being great].
Very true!
Love Blomkamp but yh this film doesn't sound like my cup of tea for a big film anyway. Wouldn't mind for a comic version as he did put good work into the project so I do feel he deserves his story to be told.
I say bring on a comic version.
@@MikesMonsters Yes! I'd love a comic version of Twohy's Alien 3 script too! :D
I'm glad this never got produced.
Agreed!
Say whatever you want about Prometheus and Covenant, but at least they're movies in their own and don't try to sit on a back of alien 1 and 2, unlike alien 5 and Romulus. Romulus is very cool and all, but we probably need to make new stories and not just rehash nostalgic movies
Very true!
Easiest casting ever. Mary Winstead as Ripley. Done. Anything else?
If you only knew how close we got to that...
In ways these ideas are absurd but in another perspective intriguing, could've been atrocious, could've been solid it's a question how it's executed. We've had our share of mediocre Alien movies that other fans have found value in and the franchise has kept going. Was half and half about the retcon decision, partly due to it being hard to make a satisfying continuation to Alien3 and Resurrection after how those films are regarded, the continuity was already thrown into split timelines with Williams Gibson's treatment being adapted into a comic and audio drama. Some fans lament this movie didn't happen whereas others are relieved. Theres a guarantee there will be other later Alien Legacy Sequels Reboots in the future, some films will be mediocre others will be competent. Like this Xenomorph itself it's endures.
It was certainly an interesting situation indeed.
Still don't see why this could not happen today. Granted the actors are getting older, there is still possibility they could bring them onboard in a certain capacity.
It would be wise for them to bring this back to life and go forward
Sigourney Weaver has said she's not interested in returning to Ripley and Neil Blomkamp has said he wouldn't go through it again so it's got no chance of happening [and Lance Henderickson is too old now in his mid-80's]. The new film [with a new cast] doing well underlines as they'll just keep doing that instead.
I was all-in on Bloomkamp directing but not writing.
He is a fantastic director, but his writing is the opposite. And he seemed too set on his own ideas to budge away from them.
A ship built by aliens, that has human DNA?
No thanks lmao
Excited for Romulus!
Well, the human dna thing is not my cup of tea, but I do love the fact that the Xenos are growing their own ship it’s the same idea I have for my stories, though in mine they are using Space Jockey biotech (sorta like seeds that grow a spaceship) appropriated from WaYu who excavated it from a dig site on a colony.
yeah, take your new shit to a bucket with 2 old shits - prometheus and covenant
I'm excited for everyone else to see Romulus in the near future!
Knowing how devisive Covenant was for offing Shaw and the Engineers and having David created a sect of Xenos, to Neil coming in and not only tossing what Scott did, but now have the derelict being made from human DNA and by that ruining the extended universe oof...I can see why Fox pulled the plug here and glad they did that since we gain Ripley back at the cost of destroying the extended universe...oh no lol!
If you remove the fan-service comebacks of Ripley, Hicks and Newt, what did this movie offer? Take away those character resurrections, and you’re left with a hot mess, which sounds like an incoherent mish mash of Aliens, District 9 and Chappie.
@@danielwoods3563 exactly and a horrible at it. Chappie truly shat da bed here. Watched it opening weekend thinking alright let’s see what he’s cooking here. My gawd that was a train wreck from the script to the editing. I thought they gave this clown the reigns to Alien. But thank goodness that film bombed since we would have gotten a dumpster fire with whatever this was going to be.
Yep, I was shocked to learn about the DNA aspect. Especially with all of his talk of taking it back to what fans wanted and correcting things. That to me, threw everything out the window and made it much worse than what we had been given from previous films and the prequels.
@@0311uli Blomkamp himself thinks that the poor reception to Chaippe killed his Alien project-so it sounds like the executives had a similar reaction to you!
@@MikesMonsters Just noticed ur reply. Having seen Romulus three times, I'm glad Fede acknowledged and picked important bits from the extended universe, making them officially canon. It was thrilling to see bits from the Cold Forge being mentioned. Knowing that Neil wanted to come in and wipe that out. I was like WTF man. I know many have issues with the Prequels, but Fede aptly course corrected some elements from Covenant back to Prometheus and how many suspected the pathogen came from the Xenos and the engineers/Space Jockeys reworked it to create or destroy life I'm like fck yea. That only help expand the lore, but keep important elements intact from the comics or novels. Had neil had his way...oof the fandom after a high of a few weeks with the film, would come for Neil and aptly drag him for destroying the entire Alien universe.
Some things are best left in the past; they can never recreate the magic and wonder of our beloved movies/TV Series’s that we grew up watching in the 70s, 80s and 90s. My imagination is all I rely on now days. I’m far from caring about remakes, prequels or sequels, because I’ve been burnt too many times, and incorrectly labelled as something because I did not agree nor confirm to a modern take.
Alien Isolation's great, Prey's great, and Romulus will be great. It just depends upon the people.
What I don´t get is how this shares canon and a world/worldview with the first 2 films? I take Alien 3 (AC) any day over Blomkamp´s vague video game ideas. The art is great of course even if the ideas shown aren´t. The mini bursters are beyond comical! Make this into a comic or rewrite it into an original comic/anime plot with new leads set after Alien 3 with less "evolved" Xenos and no Queen power-suit cosplay trash and we might have a C+ on our hands.
It would have been messy and confusing, that's for sure.
Very difficult to make it through all of this due to the plain disrespect I’m hearing from Blomkamp regarding Alien 3. To have the audacity to come along and try to make a film which wipes #3 from canon with the SAME lead actor is crazy. I’m not denying his talent in filmmaking, clearly he’s very skilled. But this idea comes across like a teenager who didn’t get his own way.
Say what you want about Alien 3 but it’s a very powerful and definitive ending for Ripley. I actually think the film holds up better than Aliens and I know I’m not the only one who feels that. Excellent cast, amazing visuals, I think given what went on behind the scenes we got was a stunning movie
I didn't care for Newt and Hicks, alien has never been about happiness and family, so screw that. Either kill Ripley, Newt, or Hicks but don't keep all of them. Alien 3 is my favorite even though some people dislike it.
Alien³ isn't even a bad movie! Maybe the theatrical release... but the Assembly Cut is definitely a good movie.
Rose coloured glasses.
THAT was the only reason to love the idea of Blomkamp’s ALIEN movie. The total erasure of alien3, and resurrection as a bonus.
Alien 3 is trash I'm sorry but it serves no purpose.... they should of all died at the end of aliens if that's what the studio wanted... , William Gibsons original script was better . And then we wouldn't have had resurrection either , just my opinion though.
Who cares about the timeline, just make good movies or spinoffs that have the dark, gritty and helpless felling that the first two movies have.
The thing is, the ideas in this one may not have made for a good movie. Even if it were gritty.
The biggest draw of Alien 5 is that it was unproduced, and people can project their ideas and feelings onto it, thinking it would solve all of their issues that they have with the franchise. In reality the movie could have killed the franchise harder than any other sequel/prequel ever could have.
Agreed! Just because you want it, it might not be good for you!
I want to reiterate, the ultimate plans for Alien 5 were nothing short of a steaming pile of garbage. Good God has Neil even seen the first two?
He would have done to Alien what Shane Black did to Predator.
It certainly would have been messy, that's for sure.
Thank god Blomkamp’s A5 was shelved. Sounded (and looked), like hot garbage.
It certainly would have been something messy!
Sounds like we may have dodged a bullet. Still want a comic book version otherwise there's too much 'what if' elements
I'd be so down for a comic version.
@MikesMonsters we got it with original screenplay and Alien³ so can't see why not and it'll stop a lot of what if comments
This movie would have been great if it was an alien rippoff, rather then alien 5
A big "DO YOU REMEMBER!?" party of a movie.
Na this alien 5 was gonna be the best alien movie since 86, all out action packed with the old cast but no we got a bunch of kids running around space screaming and the fact Neil was going forward where Ridley is going backwards and in between
So you think the derelict ship being found out to be made out of human DNA by the Xenomorphs is a step forward?
Hope they turn this into comic book like Alien 3 unmade script that consist Hicks as main character.
Completely agreed!
Chappie was crappie this take on Alien would have been to. Ridley botched it up with Prometheus, and Fede got it 50% right. Disney should just do a hard reboot and only keep the Derelict, Jockey, eggs, Alien and transmission received by Earth. Ditch everything else and leave the legacy of Ripley, Newt, Hicks intact. Focus on strange frightening and horrific settings very long shots that make the audience uneasy and remove the overly fast paced action out of the franchise.. it just feels repetitive and honestly can't go anywhere new. Slow it down and creep us out, bother our brains and give us nightmares.
I was never on board. Eliminating Alien 3 is a big no-no. Despite Finchers distain, the ending is the gem. Ripley DIES taking down the xenomorph. The queen births from her and she wraps her hands around it taking it down to its demise. NBs movie appeared too left field and essentially bins Alien3. Glad it didnt happen.
We definitely dodged a bullet to the head for the franchise losing this project. That's for sure.
Ridley Scott hasn't made a good movie since "Kingdom of Heaven", which is coming up on 20 years.
The Martian and The Last Duel beg to differ friend.
@@BlueMarsalis Martian was a flop and the "last duel" was nothing but a vapid attack against men and this phony idea of patriarchy and that men are basically evil. Fuck those movies.
Alien films are literally about being anti-capitalist and anti-patriarchy lol
Ehhh, I can't really agree with that one. But we all have different tastes. But Blomkamp's movie wouldn't have been the franchise refresh fans wanted. It would have likely put it in the grave.
@@BlueMarsalis LOL, if you think Weyland Yutani represents capitalism, then you better start listening to or reading other sources of information. Otherwise, you're exactly the guy the stalinists are always looking for.
Knowing that at the end- the Studio decides- the implication of Weaver killed the movie. I would have loved that concept and a true Aliens sequel. However I would have preferred the initial movie, as originally intended by Blomkamp. Without Ripley/Hicks/Newt. Alien is such a rarity in movies, that any movie (made and done) is a miracle. The downfall of Alien 5 project proves that.
Maybe the movie without Hicks, Newt and Ripley could have been cool. But if it introduced the idea of the of the derelict ship from ALIEN being made out of human DNA by xenomorph saliva... I'm not so sure...
@@MikesMonsters Sure. As much as I love the engineers concept, we didn’t need the Alien’s origins. Nor the Engineers (who were this giger-esque gigantic elephant creatures, molded or part of a chair- genius concept, by the way).
After heading your commentating and seeing all the information, I think it was good Blomkamp’s idea never went through. I don’t he was the right guy for the film, unlike Fede who really has the background and strength for this series.
I think people will be grateful we got Fede's project over Neill's, thought it sucks Blomkamp went through so much to ultimately get nowhere. Thanks for watching!
@@MikesMonsters keep up the good work man. Appreciate your videos and commentary. Looking forward your commentary on Alien Romulus.
@@StephenJMZ I definitely have more for that lined up for the coming months. Stay tuned, and thanks for being here!
He had Sigourney and Michael on board, plus even though I hate Ridley Scott, he was going to be producing, probably lending his Scott Free Films.
You had the fans up in arms about it. They wanted it badly, and we would've loved to have seen what happened after Aliens instead of watching Ripley get tortured and destroyed in Alien 3.
Neil's passion for the franchise and the first two movies would've made him more than a confident and competent director.
Ridley Scott threw a bunch of salt in the game with his pole. He pushed 20th Century Fox to back out of this, and then it was just more salt in the wound when Ridley Scott's stupid movie Alien: Coincidence failed at the box office, which was also a terrible film.
Did you know that Ridley Scott did that film just to sandbag Neil's Alien 5? That was confirmed.
Alien 5 would've been a lot better than all the other crap we got. I'm not saying that the new Alien Romulus is going to be bad, but what happened to Alien 5 was a crime. It would have given the fans of James Cameron's action horror classic a good sendoff, even if it was a bad film, which I doubt it would have been, especially with all the passion behind it.
Another reason why he didn't get a chance to direct Alien 5 was because of how Chappie did at the box office. I actually liked it, but for some reason, a lot of people couldn't get around those two dumbasses who played the lead anti-heroes. Yes, they were annoying, but Chappie was OK.
Now sadly, in current canon, Newt and Hicks died terribly. The amount of story that could've been pulled from this little family, but was destroyed by the studio, is insane.
I remember where I was when I heard that there was going to be an Alien 5 with Michael returning.
I was in my jeep on the freeway, and when I heard it on a podcast, I went crazy. And then when I heard it wasn't going to be made, and then Ridley Scott's Alien Confused came out, I remember wanting to leave the theater halfway in.
It should've been called Alien Fassbender.
It was not right what they did to this Director he showed great potential for this franchise, but will never know the world that James Cameron created is what people want and it sells.
People were excited about aliens, colonial marines, and they were amused by alien isolation.
Once again, Cameron got the ladder treatment for some reason. Fox is indifference to Cameron's world, which is strange because it brought them a lot of money.
Yhh I recon that’s the reason it got cancelled it was probably shite
My understanding of the script, would have leaned more into Newts story and her PTSD dealing with the aliens.
Newt would have been the main protagonist, and the story would have explored her struggles with PTSD and her connection to the Xenomorphs. The film would have also introduced a new cast of characters, including a group of space marines and scientists who are investigating the Xenomorph threat.
The plot would have likely involved a new alien outbreak, possibly on a different planet or in a different part of the galaxy, and Newt's journey to confront her past and stop the aliens once and for all. The film would have also likely explored themes of trauma, survival, and redemption, and would have featured plenty of action, suspense, and horror elements.
Actually watch the video, it had none of the above.
@@BlueMarsalis I did watch the video, that's why I posted this reply.
Quite an interesting speculation, but I can confirm that this wasn't what would have gone down in the film.
Good grief are we lucky this movie wasn't made! How awful. Having the derelict be made of human DNA and engineered by the Xenomorphs is as dumb as the idea for Ripley 8. Hard to believe that somebody over at Fox actually made a smart decision, however in this case ... well just wow.
We dodged a bullet!
I am very glad this died. The worst kind of fanwank, and wiping out 3 and A:R, both of which I like. I also hated the railed Pulse Rifle. Alvarez's movie looks so much better. That Alien maquette is beautiful but the rationale for four arms and digitigrade legs is just more fanwank.
Noah Hawley and Fede Alvarez have both called the first three Aliens all great films. So it is certainly in good hands now.
lol, yeah right, because if anything, that is what guarantee a success
Because they are smart men!
Sure seems to be working. Even if I have gripes with the originality levels.
We need an Alien tv series that’s absolutely terrifying
I think we will be getting that with the new series coming next year!
We're STILL banging on about this!? Let it lie man! For better or for worse, things have moved on! And we have a new film coming up anyway... Which COULD be.... COULD be... A good Alien film for once!!!
I think fans will dig what Romulus has to offer once they can feast their eyes on it.
I still want this film! Why can't we have this? They're doing everything and anything why not just do this as well cuz everybody wants to see it? And Neal is one of those guys that I wish hollywood would rubber stamp about anything he might want to do.
I am glad it got cancelled.
I think Neill wasn't too keen on changing some of his whacky ideas, like the derelict ship from the first movie being made out of human DNA by Xenomorphs. He doesn't seem as open to outside ideas.
For all its production problems i didnt think alien 3 deserves all the hate it gets.
Completely agreed!
Fellow farted in the Instagram elevator then got out.
I think what he did was pretty cynical and a really, really p**s poor example of trying to get a movie off the ground through internet fan anointed hype and approval. Manipulative. Giving fan news circuits the idea they have some form of control or final say rather than the filmmakers as if they cast Christian Bale in Batman Begins or the like.
Given the online vibe you mention and rather unreasonable hate trains that developed (I really do understand the criticism, however), you really won't see a conclusion to what was a pretty decent alien side story with David I suspect. Although, you would still likely be seeing a similar expansion of the series as it has taken with new books, games and other filmed stories since, because of those two films. What a waste.
That's 'fan power'...
It's what gave us AvP.
His methods were certainly suspicious and raised my eyebrow a few time when compiling all the information for the video.
Blomkamp's ideas for a new Alien movie are so poor (it would never be Alien 5 from obvious reasons). The lad had done D9 and after that all was pretty shitty, he can't write a good story anymore. There is a proper sequel to Aliens, it was released in 1992 and it's called Alien³. Is he done with a new version of Robcop 2 too (as he didn't like the actual R2). Pathetic.
Agreed! He seems to have a thing for "correcting" franchises he thinks went wrong. But his opinion is not the same as all the other fans, and I think we got lucky that his project never saw the light of day.
Regardless, glad this didn't happen. This guy has never made a great or even good movie.
Meh he's just a very average director, District 9 was a one hit wonder
He's got something that nobody has, some SciFi futuristic brutal emotional vision, I like all his movies but that one about demonic possession. District 9 has still the best special effects after the Avatar movies, plus the gore, I'd like to see his alien movie, it'd be at least better than Prometheus and Covenant.
I think it was good that this never happened, if it was basically District 9 but with aliens, I am more than happy that this never came out.
Same here! I agree completely.
Great video but having seen how bad every movie Blomkamp has made post District 9, I'm glad he didn't get to make Alien 5. It would have been crap and would have done further damage to the brand after how bad Covenant was too. I have way more faith in Fede Alvarez than a guy who hasn't made a good movie since 2009.
Thank you for watching! I completely agree with you!
This seems terrible, thank F they didn't make this and retconned Alien 3. Alien 3 is 10 times better than what this seems likely to have turned into.
And doesn’t alter the fact alien3 is a franchise killer.
@@peterkrochmalni673 Um... they made another 5 movies with the alien in it, following Alien 3's release. How is that a "franchise killer"?
@@Right_Said_Brett all prequels. Nothing set after the alien3 or resurrection timelines. The franchise comes to an end after alien3 with nowhere to go. So, the simple answer is that in order for the franchise to move forward they have to erase alien3 and make a new third movie.
@@peterkrochmalni673 But... Resurrection followed Alien 3, so no; it was not a "franchise killer". Also, why do seem to think that the studio can't make an Alien movie without Ripley (in fact, there's literally such a movie coming out in August)?
@@Right_Said_Brett “Resurrection” 😆 oh wait, you’re serious. Let me laugh even harder 😂 😂 😂
Mixed feelings on Blomkamp. Obviously a talented filmmaker, but even his good stuff always feels like it's missing beats or lacking resolution.
If the weird ideas about the retroconned derelict and xenomorph exoarmor are factual and not just some misinterpreted detail, it wouldn't surprise me. He goes out on a limb with crazy ideas but doesn't take the audience along in the way someone like Cameron does with relatable characters and quippy dialog to guide audiences through his ideas. Throw in the ego pissing match with Scott and the Fox fallout and it's doomed.
What the franchise needs is a quality character driven story with a fresh take on the material that isn't trying to just live under the shadow of Scott and Cameron with pandering fan service by regurgitating their imagery. Recent entries may have been flawed films, but at least they were trying a novel approach. I suspect Romulus will be the inverse of that: not as flawed, but also not original either, because it's just another love letter to Scott and Cameron.
It's like these films can literally only be either completely derivative or completely peculiar, but can't do both at the same time. Who knows, maybe Hawley can deliver something that is both fresh and cohesive for once...
Completely agreed!
Oof, looks like Fox did the right thing and released the lesser of two evils.
I don't know. I think the legacy sequel that Alien needs is the story on earth where they finally openly show that Blade Runner and Alien are in the same universe.
Or, or, we can do the right thing and just stay with the first 3 movies. Everything else is just more silly fun that dilutes the integrity of the trilogy.
Fox did the right thing, which is a weird thing to type out.
The only thing that I don't like about this project is the human DNA on the Derelict, as I am a lover of the Space Jockey concept, and I hold Aliens: Apocalypse as the true "prequel" to Alien, which has a Space Jockey and a Jockey-Xenomorph. However, all the other concepts are incredibly cool.
These Aliens2 fans man ughhh. This franchise is not everyone childhood dream of living happily ever after If you sad that Newt and Hicks are gone get over that shit and grow up honestly it's only those Aliens2 fans that is destroying this franchise with there wet dreams about Ripley and Hicks living happily ever after raising Newt like this is not a Disney show it suppose to be dark and brutal and I'm happy with what the sequels have brought and the only thing I hated about Prometheus and Covenant was the futuristic taste and abandoning the retro aesthetic of the original regardless that I liked those movies.
Romulus brings back the dark and brutal that I think fans have been hoping for. Blomkamp's project would have been a wild messy ride, and not in a fun way.
@@MikesMonsters hope Romulus turns to be good and totally agree about blomkamp messy view for the franchise
@@fadyedits8681 I think fans are gonna have a fun time with Romulus. ;)
@@MikesMonsters I hope so
Prometheus and Covenant have never grown on me. Ridley Scott should stay out of future Alien projects. I know it's his "baby", but somewhere along the line he lost touch. The "David" character was the worst, don't care about him, good riddance. Prometheus at least had some potential, but Covenant was written so idiotically and with such a lack of intelligence that the writers responsible should stay away from anything more complicated than a "Twilight" sequel going forward.
I agree. Another example is Terminator, James Cameron's baby, but he fully supported the last 2 shitty sequels. I now think that they consciously make bad movies to harm such series. I can't think of anything else.
I like David... He's one of the few things I actually like in the prequels. He's an awesome android addition to the franchise. Where they took him in the plot is another story though.
@@Armagedd0n Cameron admitted he only publicly supported Genysis as a favour to Arnie [who did the same thing out of loyalty to the series to Terminator Salvation] but he was involved in 'Dark Fate' as he's is credited as a producer and for the story on 'Dark Fate' [even if he apparently never visited the set].
@@jamesatkinsonja Yes, I know these facts because unfortunately I am a big fan of this series. Currently, James Cameron is writing a new Terminator movie script, he announced it in an interview, he did not give much information. But I have no hope for this project either. The spell is broken now.
Father of the Alien franchise, yeah...
The universe was created with Aliens, right after Aliens, with Book 1, 2 and 3 (Outbreak, Nightmare Asylum, Female War) and so on. Ridley Scott also didn't come up with the idea of it nor the script, and I will never forgive what him and the others for retconning the Space Jockey into the useless Engineers, which don't do anything. I don't like NB's idea of human dna on the derelict, but "father of the franchise" to Scott? Yeah, not at all...
By the way, great video. It was amazing to watch.
If it weren't for him, Alien would have been some forgettable B-movie with a murderous space cockroach that wouldn't spawn anything afterward.
Fox originally didn't want to have Giger on board because they thought he belonged in an insane asylum, but Ridley demanded to have Giger work on the film after O'Banon showed him the Necronomicon book. He also had to fight to keep some things in the movie that Fox wanted to cut out like, the Space Jockey set you’re so emotionally attached to. Nobody is perfect, but without him, Alien wouldn’t be Alien.