Ford Fox Body Steering Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2017
- If you're looking to upgrade the steering in your Ford Fox Body, it doesn't have to be expensive. In this video I cover the installation of a power steering rack and solid bushings on a fox body.
The solid bushings will make the steering much more accurate. Just know that they will also transmit a lot more road feel through the steering wheel. However, you can install the solid bushings on your existing power steering rack to get the same results. So if you have worn or damaged rack bushings, consider upgrading to this solid variety for improved handling.
My power steering rack: lmr.com/item/AGR-712581/musta...
High pressure hose: lmr.com/item/LRS-3719A/83-86-...
Return hose: lmr.com/item/LRS-3713AB/Musta...
My cooler and additional lines came with my turbo kit: www.on3performance.com/shop/19...
Solid Bushings: www.maximummotorsports.com/Ste...
(You'll need 7/16"x6" bolts for the above bushings)
Steering stops: lmr.com/item/LRS-3504HDW/79-0...
Tie rod ends (Steeda): lmr.com/item/ST-5558105/79-04...
My Wheel Spacers: www.summitracing.com/parts/aa...
Long Studs: www.summitracing.com/parts/ar...
My Tires: www.summitracing.com/parts/mt...
My Wheels: www.alibaba.com/product-detail...
My 5 Lug Conversion Kit: lmr.com/item/SVE-2300DK-B/199...
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IF ANYTHING, the Fairmont project teaches people that building a TRUE performance vehicle is much more entail than just throwing a high performance motor in a car and calling it a day, taught me A HECK of a lot!
Indeed it does. In fact, that was one of my goals when making the series.
Yes, and things keep getting heavier and heavier as stuff goes on. It all adds up.
Better heavy and safe rather than light and dangerous 😛
What a contradiction! Lighter cars, accelerate, handle and stop better than heavier cars, as Colin Chapman said "Simplify and add lightness" , which I suppose also sounds like a contradiction :)
This is an experiment so we don't know what the danger factor is. heavy does not guarantee safety. What you get with a toyota echo is a car that weighs less than 2100 lbs. is safe and fuel efficient with good performance. For me here in Denver area a vehicle with 20lbs or less /horsepower is marvelously adequate. At 72 I am not interested in going fast anymore. In fact riding as a passenger and enjoying the scenery is a treat. My vehicle is a way to get around with what I want to do when I get there. Like the 4 wheel pop up on my silverado 2500 4x4. Yes, with the 315 hp 6L motor the silverado does run like a scalded cat when needed.
I love how Eric is building this car practically from scratch. Pretty much nothing has gone untouched. Thanks for all the outstanding work, Eric!
Kevin Campusano except the blinker fluid
Kevin Campusano every parts is smeared with elbow grease
Finally another fantastic fox body video! Thanks for the update, you're getting so close now you can almost taste the tyre smoke!!
I really love every video you post, and appreciate all the years I've been able to watch you working on cars. Hope you continue on youtube for many years to come! I don't understand the low views. This is much better than car shows on tv, at least in my opinion. Greetings from Norway :-)
Looks great Eric! I'm loving it, keep us updated!
Glad to see the Fairmont this Friday. My favorite video series.
I am so glad to see the Fairmont back! Best build on RUclips.
THE FAIRMOUNT PROYECT IS THE BEST SERIES OF THE LAST YEAR IN RUclips!!! 😍😍😍😍😍😍
Thank you!
Story of a man's life, need longer studs. Good Job Eric.
God Eric I'm so impressed. This is like putting a puzzle together but with pieces that you have to recut. Keep it up. This is top work. Edd would be proud.
That's exactly what it's like. Thanks for the comment.
Loving this series!! What a fine hobby this is!
As for the spacers, I did an axle swap on my tj wrangler with a ford 8.8 which is just slightly smaller than the factory Dana 35. Wheel spacers fixed this problem and I've Been running them for a year on and off road with no problems. Ideal? Not really, but it sure beats the piss of having to buy new backspaced wheels. I was apprehensive at first, but they've held up. I know they're there, and knowing is half the battle when it comes to confidence.
Did this same thing with a friend on his '95 Sahara, didn't have that issue. He used the 8.8 from a newer Explorer with disc brakes. We did have trouble adjusting the driveline angle because he did away with the leaf springs for coils. a lot of tack welding, test fitting, cutting the spring perches back off and welding again. Rides like a dream now.
Glad to hear wheel spacers saved you buying wheels. Cheers.
I like how you can still see the SVE logo perfectly through the Crown Vic wheels.
of course you do. you love garbage parts from China. and you like supporting any economy other than your own.
Eric I love that Milwaukee under hood light you got in the cab of the Fairmont I just bought one and it's amazing with a 6amp hour battery
eric keep up the work you videos are great and i cant wait till you get the car done but love the videos man keep em coming
Eric; Very interesting, that's turning into a kit car, spacers and bolt replacements. I think you're doin a fine job making it work. Brian oh what a steady hand Bud. Nice team work Guys. I 'm punching out... TTFN
More Fairmont! I can't wait to see that thing rip around the streets.
This style of lock washer don't lock anything. Better use thread lock compound if you can't use Nylock or the good lock double-washers with teeth all around. Love your videos Eric including the Fairmont project, very educational ! Can't wait to see you driving it. Greetings from France.
Eric, I am refurbishing a 1990 ford thunderbird and was just doing the front suspension. Your video had great timing for me. Not necessarily the same set up but close enough that it gave me a direction to go in. Now I can make some other adjustments because ford no longer makes the braking system so I was going to transfer over to a hydroboost system using power steering pump and have to tie into power steering rack. Thanks a lot for your videos.
Honestly, I would consider not running power brakes. My Fairmont didn't have power brakes before I started this work and in fact, I liked it a lot better. Very good pedal feedback. They make manual master cylinders for Mustangs. I bet you could find one of those and save yourself a bunch of time and money. Manual brakes are not like power brakes that aren't working. They actually feel pretty good in my opinion. I only went with power brakes because the booster came with my 5 lug conversion.
EricTheCarGuy Eric, I appreciate your feedback. Unfortunately I have already purchased the setup and have taken the old master cylinder out and started connecting the new setup. Was trying to see where I might have to tie into the power steering rack which your video helped with when you can see things because I have almost 30 years of road grime, oil and what not making it hard to see things. I watched your tie rod video right before I changed my inner and outer tie rods, upper and lower control arms, sway bar end links and changed all the rubber bushings to polyurethane. We are not too far away from one another. I enjoy your videos so much that I have wanted to come see your shop but I'm sure your very busy.
Perhaps when I'm done I'll come and see YOUR project. It sounds really cool.
Always glad to hear ''Whelp, there's your problem right there''!
It's really coming along, Eric. Can hardly wait to see it completed.
Thanks for the comment. The sad truth is I'm much farther along that what you see in this video. In fact, all I have left is the roll bar and the exhaust and the car is 'complete'. I'll still have to tweak and tune it, but I'm hoping to be driving it by the beginning of August.
EricTheCarGuy , a road trip or a day at the drag strip coming up soon Eric?
wysetech2000 it should be its be going on for 2yrs!!!
Travelingman 1997 I need to break it in and tune it first. Not sure how long that will take.
Dark Coven Not likely. That thing has about 1500hp I think. Not to mention drag slicks.
Yay the Fairmont's back. We need more fairmont. I want to see it on the road. Preferably with the engine in it, but I'd even take a teaser with you and Brian pushing it around the parking lot for a laugh.
G'day Eric it's fascinating to watch this all come together. The parts going on it are real pieces of art, by the way I had wheel spaces on and never had any trouble with them, however down here in some states they are illegal regards Johnno
Thank you for some actual input on wheel spacers. I'm a bit confused by all the fuss about them. Also, I don't think they would be illegal in my case with the longer studs.
Question that occurred to me about those spacers - will the RTV holding them to the rotor affect the final lug torque at all? RTV is compressible, much more so than metal, so wouldn't that allow for some give and possibly mess with the torque reading? I think my solution would have been to fabricate an internal ring that fit snug between the rotor hub and the inner cutout of the spacer, which would hold it aligned from the center but not put any rubber between the spacer and the rotor.
Andrew Cz You really should watch the entire video.
I have run spacers with no problems at all with a car that I track (road course and auto-x) as long as u do them right...I am glad to see EricTheCarGuy went had them made hubcentric...and with the longer studs he will be golden.
centric hubs and you will be fine. Nice move Eric. Nice build! I cannot wait to see that monster complete and shredding tires and making thousands of smiles per gallon :)
I can't wait for the bump steer correction video.
Cannot wait to see the finished product
Me either.
I love this build!
It's amazing how many different way to build FoxBody with the maximum Motorsports suspension I've used maximum for over 10 years and have had many cars using it and now I have a notchback with 335/30-18 front and back and an IRS out of a 04 Cobra and a very built 351w
That sounds awesome.
EricTheCarGuy I love what your doing with his car and I'm happy you went with maximum Motorsports can't wait for the next video on it
Nice. I think you'll be much happier with the power steering.
Your car is looking very pretty underneath Eric. Big $$$$$$$!
Indeed it is. I can't wait to see how it handles.
Keep up the good work!
Greetings from Estonia
Greetings Estonia!
eric@ can't wait to see the final product. i like it when you use honda bond in place of generic gasket bond. i am sorry but the company MM should sponsor your project built seeing you use majority of their parts. Keep up with the built.
The rack spacers had smaller holes because in 87 or maybe earlier they changed to a smaller bolt with a sleeve.
Found that out when trying to put poly rack bushings from a 87 in my Fairmont.
Thank you! I knew there had to be some reason they told me the bolts should fit. That little pice of information could have saved me a bunch of headache and I would have been able to order the correct bolts. Thanks again!
I hope the engine exhaust pipes don't touch the power steering rack that you put in.You are very thorough which is the way to be.You have very good attention to detail.I will subscribe.
Eric you're doing it wrong 😂 love your vids man
Almost a million sub Eric! Woo Hoo !!!
Almost 1 Million subs Eric :)
YAYYY! Cameraman Brian's back! I was watching intently, and suddenly realized that Eric wasn't doing one-handed assembly, and how smooth and steady the shots were. Brian, that was truly transparent; you made it look as though we, the viewers, were just standing there watching! The mark of excellence. (Not that your camera work is unsteady, Eric, it's just hard to juggle two or more things at once).
Oh, Eric! You must get so peeved when you have a cascade of things not working out of the box! I love that you're going with power steering, but all the fiddling and finagling and bodging to get things to fit in place must wear on you. Still, you will gain even more insight as to work-arounds after this, I'd bet. So far, you've risen to every challenge, and come away with new information -- and probably a few skinned knuckles. This is a valuable look at the details and fiddly work that goes into a Good customization - Thank you so much!
Thanks very much for that comment. You nailed it. Custom car building is like putting together a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle using 5 different puzzles and fitting each piece individually. It's a daunting process sometimes, but in truth, I really enjoy overcoming those challenges. I also like putting puzzles together. I always have one going on the dining room table in my house.
That's an excellent analogy - 1,000-piece multiple jigsaw puzzle.
Awesome...keep up the great work...!!
I thought you were building a hot rod not a grocery getter for the wife. Stuff a straight front axle under it and build yourself a fun gasser. You deserve it .lol...thanks much for your wonderful videos.
7:00 You should invest in a digital inclinometer. That way if the car isn't level (lets say .5 degrees left down), you can either level the car perfectly OR use the inclinometer to MATCH the same angle for the steering rack by installing that .5 degrees left down aswell.
That would be cool, but I'm good with a tape measure. ;)
EricTheCarGuy help I have a cts Cadillac 03 have you ever worked on this car before??
Haha, watching lots of Project Binky, are we?
computiNATEor make the noise!
What brand is good?
Boy that's a lot of head aches ! GRIN nice job the car is going to be ten times better than new! Thanks for the vedios !
"it doesn't look like much, it goes like much" - EricTheCarGuy 2017
Chris Cantrell he wouldn’t know, it hasn’t even ran yet lol
Nandor ruclips.net/video/UADOHm6-BJc/видео.html
Nandor, duh wrong. Keep hating
Nandor he was making reference example of the 'sleeper' aspect of it, looks like nothing, but will drove like a race car
GET EM. I just thought it was a funny saying. I want it on a shirt.
I stopped watching ETCG awhile back. Not surprised the fairmont is still being worked on. Ill come back in a few years and maybe he will get it to the 1/4 mile.
When you actually remember to disable your ad blocker before watching an ETCG video. Feels good man. Y'all should do the same.
Thank you!
Noah or you grab up a red membership and you play a loop Playlist of all Ericsson videos while you're at work ;)
sorry for the auto correct Eric :/ (stupid phone lol)
Hey Noah, you can get a plugin for Firefox/Chrome called RUclips Plus, one of my favourite features is that it doesn't block ads on channel's you are subscribed to, but blocks them for everything else
@TacticalBBQSauce So the other people you don't sub to don't deserve a chance?
Thank you. Very educational.
Always enjoy your videos, thanks for taking the time to make and produce them. I'm getting close finishing my road race N/A convertible "wide body" convertible '87 Fox. You may have seen it on Instagram. 315 tires on 11" wide wheel all around. Similar MM K member and forward offset control arms, I also moved the 8.2" 333 cid motor 1" back and got rid of a bunch of weight.
FINALY !!!! thanks eric
Awesome video
I'm European and I drive Mondeo MK3 from 04 and MK4 from 11 good cars but MK4 is a must have . Good car no problems.
Mad angle for mad skids huh Eric
i love your videos thank you alot you have saved me alot of money
I'm happy to help. Thanks for your comment.
your just awesome man love the Fairmount videos love fixing it forward no matter what the haters say your awesome keep it up
Thank you!
EricTheCarGuy hey I just got a 98 cummins with a converter lock up switch will u plz make a video to explain when to use it why to use it. and most importantly how to use it safely
As always, a very informative, great video!
I was always told by various mechanics over the years, that if you had at least the diameter of the stud, nut engagement that it was sufficient and more threads through the nut was not necessary. Is that true?
P.S. I know why you want more length on your studs, I would too, but this is just a stud/nut strength question. Thanks.
Many tracks specify that you have a given amount of thread engagement. Some require that you have extra long studs in the event a wheel gets left loose. It's not so much to improve clamping force as to ensure that you're able to control the vehicle if the wheel were ever to come loose. Loosing a wheel = catastrophic loss of control.
Eric, you should change your handle to "Eric The Tenacious Car Guy". One problem, one solution then three more problems and on and on...
Looking forward to the completion as I'm sure you are. Very informative videos.
That is so true, but I mostly hang in there because I really want to see this car run. Thanks for the comment.
I'm sure you are aware, but although it's a minor front track increase, it will result in more oversteer (or more accurately less understeer) when pushed; granted you've completely redone the entire suspension so you know, there is going to be a missive learning curve/adjustment cycle anyways, so the extra 1/2" of track width up front is extremely minimal.
More great information
Great video eric! Im okay with little spacers like that, used them myself too. But how about the rear and front track width of foxbodys? Is the rear track width still wider than front? I don't know if it is just me but I think that your mic makes some noises sound so great. Ecspecially when you mount the wheels on to hub (before lug nuts) it sounds way to satisfying
Fun fact, just about every vehicle that uses the front wheels to steer has a wider track in the front. They do this to make the vehicle track properly during turns. It's not a lot, but it does make a difference.
you should totally Ask RCR to Review this once it's on the road!
loved this vid
Thank goodness you got those wheel spacers modified to be hub centric. The steering vibration would have driven you nuts! I was just wondering why you didn’t buy them hub centric to begin with? Also, you could have ordered the spacers to be hub centric and have exactly the correct bolt pattern for a tight and perfect fit.
Getting the tie rod ends out of the hole below the castle nut is a royal pain in the butt. I have a steering rack out of a 90 mustang gt where the tie rod end on the passenger side does not want to come out. Tried hammering, lubricants, hammered on the castle nut, 3 foot breaker bar, 5ft breaker bar. No luck with any of them.
Going to pick up the clamp with the bolt in between the arms of the clamp if I can find one tomorrow.
Being this is a year old now, curious how the "solid" rack mounts worked out.
"The lockwasher serves as a spring while the bolt is being tightened. However, the washer is normally flat by the time the bolt is fully torqued. At this time it is equivalent to a solid flat washer, and its locking ability is nonexistent. In summary, a Iockwasher of this type is useless for locking." NASA Fastener Design Manual
Here's the manual: ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19900009424.pdf They don't like lock washers at all. The nylocks are good up until 250 degrees F and adhesive based thread lockers fail between 200 and 450 degrees F.
Yeah I never got the whole lockwasher logic.
good job man
It's nice to be able to stay on the road.
JD
Eric, where do you get your HondaBond from? Every place on the internet seems the charge $15 for the stuff
a lot of tracks require a certain amount of threads to be past the lug nut. I'd suggest contacting the tracks you'll run the Fairmont at to see if it will be a factor.
That is true, but I believe the replacement studs that i'll be installing will work just fine. Thanks for your comment.
the rule is exposed threads should be at least double the stud diameter. a 1/2" stud must protrude at least 1" past the nut, etc
Have you calculated your cost for parts that you've bought, installed and then chosen not to use?
Hey Eric, they make studded wheel spacers, those might be better than the "universal" ones
I have 2002 single cab Chevy S10 I was thinking of upgrading the steering with rack and pinion or a better set up. what's your thought and can it be done without a crazy amount of fabrication ??
Not sure if anyone had this problem, but on 84 and below foxes we have the bigger rack bolt, I too used the 7/16 bolt but had problems with the rack moving ever so slightly, maximum motorsports said we have to use a 12m bolt which was on cars 85 and up.
Looking forward to the 4 hour video where you tighten up every single bolt on the car left loose in this video series.....
Would that ltd/Marquis nose, hood and fenders fit on a 93 mustang? How about a front clip from the 81 square tbird fox?
Did you consider an electric rack? If so, what made you pick hydraulic over electric?
Any concerns about hardware store bolts not having the strength to withstand whatever forces will be applied to them? Is there a difference between automotive-specific bolts and your everyday hardware store bolt?
Bolts have different ratings. It is usually writen on bolthead eg. 8.8 or 10.8 or 12.9
Mine are grade 8.
Not that I am trying to rush you, but how close do you think you are to taking her down the road? Just wondering... Love the build tho
Hello Eric. Greetings from a fellow Cincinnatian (actually Northern Kentuckian). I have the utmost respect for your automotive skills and love the Fairmont series. However, I think that you might want to get front wheels with a different offset. I thought that the "hub" center (large center hole in the wheel) was supposed to bear the weight of the car, not the studs. I believe that the studs just hold the wheel in tight so that it rides on said center hub. I have seen studs break and wheels fall off from those spacers. Please get different wheels. However, I am just a Diy'er so perhaps I am mistaken. Thanks for all the great video and perhaps I will see you at a local cruise in sometime as I live here in Florence, Ky. Later
Thanks for your concern and input. You may very well see this car on the road when I'm done. I have a few friends and family in KY.
That said, as shown in the video my spacers have been modified to be hub centric. Meaning the center on the hub just like the wheel does. They are only 1/4" and I'm installing longer, better studs to accommodate the spacers. Even the people that designed the suspension don't have issues with me running them.
I really can't see spending a ton more money on wheels when I haven't even tried these yet. Also, the entire idea of the build is not to be flashy. I chose these wheels specifically for that reason. ruclips.net/video/wl6x5YwBTqM/видео.html
Thanks again for your input.
EricTheCarGuy I don't like to throw my engineering card around a lot but please take the advice above. I have seen this fail before.
The hub center inside the wheel has zero load on it once the wheel has been installed and the lug nuts torqued. This is a super common misconception propagated all over the place by nonenginners who don't understand the physics of clamped joints. In a clamped joint, the fasteners are used to create a clamping force between two parts. This clamping force multiplied by the coefficient of friction between the two parts is what keeps the two parts from moving side to side. In clamped joints where the applied load is inline with the bolt axis, the applied load can cancel out the clamping force. Examples of this are cylinder head bolts and connecting rod bolts. Note that in both cases, there are sleeves around some of the bolts, so that if the clamping force is overcome, the joint can not move laterally.
Hey EricTheCarGuy I was wondering if you can do a video up on how to time a Ford 302 with a GT40 upper intake or hat at I meant in general I got it on top dead center and spark plug number one it starts up and just dies and no matter where I move the distributor left to right it doesn't seem to change I don't know if it's off a couple teeth or maybe I just have it in the wrong position any help would do thanks
The high pressure line DOES NOT point up and go through the K-member. It faces down, then loops up along the frame rail and then connects to the pump.
Eric , More Fairmont videos please !!
Why did you end up going with power instead of manual? Also, where did you get your rack?
Hate messing with spacers, when you change wheel offset it tends to wear suspension, steering components and wheel bearings..
Have you considered or done any sound dampening or insulation since a lof or stuff is out of the way?
Yes. Updates posted monthly. www.ericthecarguy.com/blog
please use higher grade bolts. I wouldn't trust thoes cheap stainless steel ones for the rack. I always use grade 10.9
If thats aluminum spacing out your K member, ya need to apply duct tape "@ the mating surfaces" or a really good layer of paint to prevent corrosion as any moisture getting between there, especially between your frame rails will rot out... steel and bare aluminum don't go well together. powder coating is a good idea too.. 😊 just an observation, cant wait to see some passes!!
Considering I won't be driving this car in the winter, I really don't think that will be a concern, but thanks for your input.
+Rob Jay
That is a real concern on any street driven vehicle.
However, i would not recommend using duct tape, it is porous and will readily absorb water setting up a perfect environment for galvanic/electrolytic corrosion.
Although both the steel and aluminum will oxidize and corrode away, the aluminum component will be the first to disappear.
We use thin (0.015 inch) high density waterproof sheet gasket material and cut to size with excellent results and so far with no corrosion.
patw52pb1, a much better recommendation and clarification of what i was implying 👍
Are those nuts and bolts hardened steel? They don't look like it but probably should be.
Oil filter relocation kit? With a cooler would be good too
I am running an oil filter relocation kit. I had to because of the turbo. ruclips.net/video/17bfwKUxpmY/видео.html
Cant wait to see oliver hit the road!
Waiting for Ford Fox Body Fuel Injection Upgrade
Solid video hope you install a ford engine on that foxbody
I'd be concerned that the wheel spacers don't allow the wheel hub to seat onto the rotor. Doesn't that put all the stress on the studs?
There's so much talk and concern over my wheel spacers I plan on doing an ETCG1 video about it. Thanks for your comment.
Cool stuff
error? why suddenly turn from power steering upgrade to an older video about fixing wheel clearance?
What's your opinion on the new 2018 Accord?
but will she 3 wheel?
should get hub-centric wheel spacers. These have a ring in the middle, and will hold it in the proper place.
spoke too soon... you fixed it! :P
I sad it & I knew it! Keep up the good work & stay dirty!
They wont let you near a drag track with those spacers. Solution is proper backspacing whn buying the rim. Common solution is 17" rims. Same overall diameter but it rides above the strut where its hitting in your video. Good luck! Be safe! Say no to wheel spacers!
They are already 17" rims. Did you even watch the video?
whats the backspace/offset on those wheel?
I see the hood up on the truck, please tell me that's a future video!
Why not go with urethane bushings?