How To Install the Best Fox Body Front Suspension
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2017
- This video shows how to install front coil overs, tubular lower control arms, and adjustable upper strut plates on a Fox Body. Combined with a tubular K member, this is a great combination for a front suspension on these cars.
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**Control arms can be purchased with different offsets. My control arms are 1.5" forward offset with my tubular K member.
Control Arms: www.maximummotorsports.com/For...
Coil Over Conversion Kit: www.maximummotorsports.com/Mus...
Coil Over Installation Instructions: www.maximummotorsports.com/ass...
Tokico Struts: lmr.com/item/TOK-BB3026/87-93...
Camber Caster Plates: www.maximummotorsports.com/Mus...
Camber Caster Plate Installation Instructions: www.maximummotorsports.com/ass...
My Tires: www.summitracing.com/parts/mt...
My Wheels: www.alibaba.com/product-detail...
My Wheel Spacers: www.summitracing.com/parts/aa...
My 5 Lug Conversion Kit: lmr.com/item/SVE-2300DK-B/199...
Long Studs: www.summitracing.com/parts/ar...
QuickTrick Alignment: www.quicktrickalignment.com
Prothane Grease: www.jegs.com/i/Prothane/311/19...
Special thanks to Jack Hindley and Kolton Sinclaire for all their help.
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5 lessons I have learned from this video:
1) Keep your shaft clean
2) Wash your nuts
3) Use lots of lube when sticking things into holes
4) A longer stud is better
5) Most importantly, always protect your shaft
Those are the bullet points. Well done.
3) Apply a liberal amount of lube
4) Put that in there. Bring these two things together.
5) Stop at the bum stop
You win the Internet today :)
6) Making the holes larger will make go easier right up in there.
Was Poly ok with you using lube?
Good to see you smiling at the end of the video Eric! The excitement and the fun in the journey to completing your build is always important and makes it all worth it in the end!
Eric my man!!! Happy to have found you again!!! I remember I used to watch your videos back in college when i was broke as hell and I had my bucket 98 civic 6 years ago and when it would break down I used to watch your videos on how to fix certain things, I remember the struggle was real, thanks for all the help!!!!
This is making me rethink my stock suspension on my 2000 Mustang. Thanks for this great series
G'day Eric that maximum racing set up is really fantastic engineering , what a piece of art? Love how the Fairmont is slowly changing thanks for showing it Johnno
I ran UPR’s chromoly K member kit with chromoly adjustable A-arms, caster/camber plates, bump steer kit, coil over sleeve kit, strange 10 way dbl adjustable struts, manual rack and pinion, and limiters on front suspension. I was very, very happy with UPR parts that I even used their through the floor subframe connectors, their rear chromoly pro series kit with dbl adjustable uppers & lowers, spherical bushings, strange 10 way dbl adjustable rear shocks, and torque box reinforcement kit. I ran the rear with a -2 pinion angle and it hooked very well on the street when foot-braking and very, very well at the track when popping the trans-brake at around 4,250 rpms and a little bit of psi....
50 hour week, today's friday home from work now I can enjoy another ETCG video!
Thanks Eric, your videos are excellent. Good point about the fox body applying to other cars like the Mustang.
Damn, about time another Fairmond video came out!! Love the fabrication on this vehicle. It is going to run and drive like a new car.
I hope so.
It's nice working with all new clean parts. I did the same to my SN95. ? It was a pleasure working on it.
Hello Eric. I believe fox bodies ran into 1993. There was the 1993 mustang and then in 1994 they switched over to the SN95 body style.
7:28 Make sure there's no sticky goo on your shaft. ✅
David G "Stay dirty"
So clean!
Great advice, for all ages.
That was funny
Chicka-wow-wow
I like Maximum Motorsports coil over conversion kit on the front struts, they look really like quality pieces on your video Eric.
Awesome video Eric like always!!!
so cool man.
I haven't seen Eric's videos in a long Tim. it's so cool to see him still at it. cool guy and knows his stuff.
keep at it Eric and nice to know you are a mustang guy .
Thanks you for an other great and instructive video.
Can wait to see that monster running.
Greeting from Montreal.
Thanks Eric, we plan on using the coil over kit for our fox body. I really appreciate the link to the quick trick alignment. I'm wondering can I use this out in the field, as long as it's flat ground because many of our customers ask if we do alignments.
I think you can use the kit 'in the field'. I haven't tried it yet though.
Watch out for tire clearance issues with the coil overs. It's nice to have an adjustable set up, lighter too.
would have loved to watch the full detailed version of this, its a shame a lot of people are hating on the build having to change the style
Link in the description to the full version of this video.
Nik Trp I like his new style of video much better
Can't wait for the next Fairmont video, Eric!
Great Video! I also have to put longer studs on my 66 Mustang and I need a set of hub-centric rings for my new rims. One day I hope to rebuild my Mustang like your Fairmont. Keep the vids coming!
Awesome. Good luck with your build!
Great video, can't wait to see your alignment!
I think you'll find the information on measuring bump steer equally interesting. Thanks for the comment.
I'm running the same set up on my 1993 mustang. I went with P71 wheels since they fit perfectly in the back of my car, where I have 1999 Cobra IRS. I went with a hubcentric MM 1/2 inch spacer, and longer ARP studs. I also am using the long ARP studs on the rear, for the assurance of both safety, and passing tech. The long studs are the only thing people ever notice on my car. The will squat and look at the back wheel, looking at the studs, and not notice the AXLE NUT on the rear of the car, and ask why I have such long studs, lol!!
I realize I’m a year and a half late to the party, but damn, I can’t believe you decided on coil overs after all that trouble putting those springs in the first time!
Really great video 👍🏽 learned a lot
eric i love these videos man and so do you. keep them up and make them longer!
Thanks! A longer version of this video is linked in the description.
Pretty much the same for 95-04 mustangs. Fox and SN95/ New edge share the same basic chassis/ suspension. Maximum motorsports rocks.
Great video couldn't ask for more
this video is pure fn gold!
One thing about strut coil over springs running close to the tires. A family member of mine had a front coil spring break while driving and it destroyed the tire instantly. Lucky no crash. Its probably a good thing to use nice new coil springs when in doubt. This build looks very nice. The front wheel spacers will change the front spindle bearing loading and the steering geometry but a fourth of an inch does not seem like a lot. Aluminum spacer makes for dissimilar expansion and contraction and may cause problems. I would have used a steel spacer for steel, steel, steel sandwich.
Eric, may I correct your statement. The strut is pivoting in the spherical bearing, the one you mount in the car body. This roller bearing is for the spring: because it is a coil spring, it curls up during the compression. This bearing also makes the ride height ajustment easier.
And watch this 14:36 Here the nut touches the spherical bearing bode, which is very bad, I believe. The bearing should move freely.
Thanks for the video!
Another nice video, Eric! Thanks! Informative and with a sense of humor. Also you are not too arrogant to hide the things that (can, and sometimes WILL ) go wrong. I like that!
I have some questions for you:
Why should the lower control arms be horizontal in the normal driving position?
Loaded they will pivot upwards, causing a small horizontal INWARD displacement of the coilover as well. Via the steering knuckle this results in a positive camber. Not so important while driving in a straight line, but for cornering it is an unwanted situation.
On the BMW's and Volvo's i worked on, these lower control arms always pointed downward. When cornering the outer wheel pushes the control arm upwards. Geometry (co-sinus) dictates that McPherson strut is thus also pushed outward, causing more negative camber, resulting in more grip from the tire. The vertical load on the inner wheel is reduced, so relatively the lower arm moves downward, resulting in a positive camber which is advantageous.
How does swapping to a coilover system change the forces on the upper mounts of the McPherson strut? Previously the vertical wheel loads were divided by the spring and the damper, now they all concentrate on the upper strut mounting point. Should that point now be reinforced?
I always thought that spacers should be snug fit. This brattling would make me very nervous.
Thanks. The lower control arms should be in a 'neutral' position to start with to allow full travel both up and down. Camber isn't the issue, bump steer is. Coil overs use different mechanical advantage over the stock coil springs. It would be nice if the spacers fit better, but unless you have some custom made, you're going to have a very hard time finding them.
Double check you strut shaft bushings. With both on the bottom you push the shaft further into the body loosing travel on the shaft and it looks like the nut is a little close to the aluminum surrounding the pillow ball which may cause issues during steering where that shaft may rotate and also move a few degrees away from perpendicular.
Thank-you for this video! Especially at 12:43 and 13:30
Great detailed video Eric!
What is the part number for the caster camber plates?
Thanks.
Regardless of the length of the studs, I don't think the centre bore of that wheel is far enough on to the hub with the spacers in place.
I think you might need wheels with a different offset. Any chance the Mustang has hubs which protrude further through the brake rotor?
"You can never have enough lube" Truer words, my friend. Truer words...
My jaw dropped at 15:54
Nicely polished shaft :D
2008 Honda civic how do you change the ball join in the front wheel
Thank you Thank you Thank you for uploading this. I'm in the process of installing this same kit but Im doing a irs swap also. What size wheels are you going to run since there may be clearance issues. I plan on 18x9 wheels.
Found it 'link in the description' 👍
Great informative video. A+
Old yet very good video
1975 to 1993 is foxbody
I have a relative who owns one of the last 1993 Ford mustang gt foxbody off Ford assembly line in Michigan, he was a lucky sob his parents worked retired from ford.
He specifically ordered his 1993 gt.
With upgraded suspension engine etc etc.
you should do a tool review for the oem tools impact gun really good for the price!
Friday and a Fairmont video. It dose not get much better than this.
Great video
Great video!! I got a 91 LX mustang and it still has the stock suspension the ass end is sagging and I am bored so I'm gonna tackle it, I was just gonna replace with stock parts, I hope you get a kick back from that suspension company as I am buying the exact same stuff because I am no mechanic and will need your videos the whole fucking way:) your videos helped me with 1979 f150, 1992 Taurus sho, 2008 dodge ram 3500, 2013 dodge grand caravan and now the 91 mustang thanks for the free help ERIC!!!
hey do you have a video of how to install door poppers? let me know i just need an idea of how to get started
Hope you're well, Eric.
cool vid eric
I like the format of these videos recently: thorough, but not tedious. I would have preferred to find steel wheels with a little bit less backspacing instead of spacers that may shift around and longer studs.
I've spent enough money and I still have a little more to go. I'm happy with this solution for now. Thanks for your input.
how much have you spent on the project?
woo! another Fairmont vid!
hey Eric nice video, and i know the feeling, you upgrade som thing og you car, just to finde out, that i donest fit, then you haft modet, or buy a hol nye set op, aaaarg but but oliver gonner be a nice :) big big fan from denmark :)
Whats the backspaceing/offset on the wheels, since they dont fit?
Did you do the bumpsteer adjustment yet, or do you have a bumpsteer video??
Adding a kit to my Fox body
Would changing the wheel to one with a different back spacing solve the clearance problem?
Nice video but the wheel spacer thing really makes me rethink that set up. Is the rubbing caused from the k-members location and dimensions or the control arms? Would getting a different k-member or different control arm solve that issue?
Hi do you have any video on how to replace a rear shock on 2009 Mazda 6 s grand touring?
You could go with a shorter front coil spring. I run a 12 inch spring and ran into the same problem. I use the spacer as well to clear mine but only temporary until i can get shorter springs.
Eric, do you think there's enough space between the tire and the coil-over? Looks like it might make contact when the tire flexes during cornering.
Hey does this move your engine I did a cut out on my hood and I dnt wanna install this and the engine be 2 inches forward or back just wondering thank you
You building a great street car I'm a Chevy fan i have not seen anyone else build a fairmont with a Ford motor I have seen one with ls1 5.7
Technically it's not a Ford engine, it's a World Products Man O War block. www.pbm-erson.com/Catalog/PBM/Block%20Kits/KITSBK-29
BTW I like Chevy's too. ruclips.net/video/5cblScHKnHc/видео.html
You might have to switch holes, use lots of lube and protect your shaft. Another quality video.
Thanks for not showing a mediocre front suspension!
Do you think that the tire would rub with the engine in and the car on the ground? I really your videos thank you
Did you ever make the video about doing the at home alignment?
Yeah, gotta lube that poly bush, no doubt. Thx for sharing.
Just a heads up, Eric. You should be careful about using all purpose in lieu of moly, even if the all purpose is "really nice." The mode of action in molybdenum disulfide lube is significantly different from how a typical lube works. The moly actually impregnates the surfaces that are being lubricated and it might be that this application needs that impregnation.
Eric I need your advice. I'm working on a 1986 Ford LTD (midsize) and I would like to install adjustable coil in the front and rear end. What would you recommend?
do the springs come with the Coil Over Conversion Kit?
its a very nice video
I like the grease fittings so you can lube the bushings. The struts are a little crooked due to the off set of the control arm but that should not be a big deal just a bit more caster angle and that may be a good thing anyway.
That's what the camber/caster plates are for. I haven't made any adjustments yet. Thanks for the comment.
Do you think it's a design & brand preference. Example Maximum performance verse Hotchkis.
You'll still have vibration doesn't matter how much lube you use same as if you used Energy Suspension bushings.
If you decide got all out switch to solid engine & tranny mounts you'll get even more vibration.
i was thinking the same thing when you were cleaning that strut shaft. lol lol
Did your wheels come with the old school pie tin hub caps? I plan on going with wheels just like that on my 66 Galaxie but I want the pie tin hub caps as well.
Does the tire still clear when you cycle the suspension?
Haveing the same issue What size is your spring? Upr says if I use there 10" spring I won't need wheel spacers ? Thoughts ?
dang didn't know u had to prime struts. looks like I have plans this weekend.
I know hub centric rings are for wheels but couldn't you use them for your wheel spacers instead of the rtv?
Did you ever have issues with the coilover adjuster screw rubbing on the sway bar end link? I'm currently having rubbing issues with full qa1 suspension
Hey Eric I was wondering if that truck you got off your father needs a new oil pressure sensor? I gotta replace the one on my truck same year model and engine as that truck. I would love a video showing the proper way of replacing that. It's got a brass fitting that it goes into and the videos I've found on youtube showing the replacement are done by shade tree mechanics like me and how they show how to do it don't fill me with confidence I wont snap the brass fitting. I snapped the one on the 4.3l I was putting in my van. Salvage yard busted the sensor and I had to replace it. I really don't want to go through drilling and tapping that again.
Do the quick trick alignment video pls
As long as those spacers stay centered you'll be good. Even if they move I dunno if they'll cause a vibration. They are an easy solution to a big problem you had.
Would the tire have cleared once engine and weight of car was back on the ground?
Eric, If you ever have a flat tire, and the tires expand, are you going to ruin your tires or coil springs?
I'm in love with my shock shafts, it all in picture..lollollollollollollollollollollollollol!
Why lower the k member 1/2"? Is it for a 351 Windsor install?
Hi Eric. Love the videos . Are you ever gonna finish this project ? Cuz all i see it assembly then disassembly. And why are you using the fugly police wheel? The never looked good on any car including cop cars.
This is another great video. If you really want a proper automotive tutorial from a seasoned expert, it has to be ETCG.
You're kidding right?
lillpit09 No, not at all.
Disagree. He knows a lot, but has also made a lot of stupid decisions.
Would your average mechanic shop be able to install this whole setup?
out of topic question: what's your opinion on the new civic type r? possible future etcg1 video?
I don't have any experience with it so I really can't say.
I'm not even a Ford guy but I'm looking forward to completion
what kind of torque wrench is that?
www.rakuten.com/prod/282405511.html
What spindles are you using? 94-95 or they the 96-02
5:55 "You must protect your shaft at all times"
Here. Here.
Tom Reinke it's so clean. stay dirty.
and "you must clean your shaft from sticky goo" haha
is the 1/4 inch spacer going to be enough with tire flex when cornering or the suspension compresses?
It'll be fine. See Kolton Sinclare's comments on wheel spacers in these comments. He works at Maximum Motorsports.
7:32, Eric wipes the goo from his shaft.
just like at 11:37 I raised my lower nut until the top of the coil met the bottom of the cap. However when I install it at this ride height it's way too high. I can lower it but I'm going to have a space if I hit a bump and the suspension drops enough, which would allow those bearings and washers to fall out of the pocket. How do I lower it with maintaining some preload on the spring?
When the car goes over a bump, the spring will not come off of the upper spring perch. Even if you jump the car, this doesn't happen because the spring force is what causes the suspension to extend. Once the spring has extended to its free length, there is almost no force left to push the suspension down further.
Every Mustang.. 79-93 foxbody.. 94-04 sn95.. 05-14 s197.. has 1/2-20 thread wheel studs.
Ford changed to metric M14x1.5 thread wheel studs in 2015 s550 chassis.
Moroso 46185 are direct fit in 94-04 front hubs.
ARP 8SWR or ARP 7703 both "fit" but require the hubs be drilled for the knurl to fit.
Eric when you going to put the heart of that beast in?
Now this was a proper fairmont video.
did you put anti-sieze on the ride height adjusters? #hopeso
Eric, those polyurethane control arm bushes, do they need relubing every 6000mlies, or are they set and forget?
Lube, lube, and more lube.