“Batman should kill people.” Batman doesn’t kill people for many reasons but one of them is that he also wants to be a symbol of hope for Gotham as well. If he started killing people, Gotham civilians would start fearing him and would be seen as another freak villain. Police would start going after him. You wouldn’t have any orphans looking up to him, is what I’m saying. If Batman started killing he would quickly become a pseudo-dictator. Anyone remember ‘Justice Lords’ from the 90s and 2000s Justice League show? “Bruce Wayne could do more to help Gotham than Batman by donating money.” Bruce already helps Gotham a ton. But eliminating poverty wouldn’t eliminate violent crime. This is true IRL and in Gotham, most of Gotham’s villains are extremely wealthy. Gotham sucks because it’s corrupt, like many places IRL.
@@umairashraf5167cool. tell that to the gotham court system that keeps letting him stay in an insane asylum without giving him the death penalty for all the atrocities he's committed. not batman's fault that the justice system is a complete joke.
@@josiah3820Casual fans tend to forget because Joker is popular, but Bruce's first targets were legit all the rich elite and crime bosses in Gotham. From the Police Commissioner, the Maronis, the Falcones.
@thephoenix4093 there's a difference between being being poor and just choosing to live without money. Joker very much could rob banks or whatever to amass wealth, but he doesn't. Not because he can't, but because he simply doesn't want to. Also I think it'd be a funny idea to have a comic issue dedicated to the recruitment process of different villains. Joker makes you kill your friends and family, maybe Black Mask actually pays you, and possibly the Penguin has fights to see who can join the crew. Could be a neat idea that they may have already done.
To expand on your first point: General audiences that hold contrarian opinions just don't want to admit that "traditional" Superheroes can in fact be taken seriously, so they gloss over some realistic factors that may have influenced their vigilantism (corruption, crime networks, legal loopholes etc) , but still parrot the factors that affirm their opinions (mental illness, ego, sadism etc.)
The funny thing is, Joker uses the first misconception various time to attack Batman, people taking Joker’s words for facts don’t quite understand his character and role 😅 Like, mental health help can only do so much, and some people just wanna watch the world burn, to quote Alfred, and if you look at Injustice, these supervillains got the means to commit great atrocities
Lmao so true like I'm so tired that people take jokers whole one bad day statement as a fact,when the point is that he's wrong,he put gordon and batman through torture for years and they still haven't broken
@@Yourfat247 and? batman broke but it's not like he became the joker and spread pain ,he didn't let it define him and used it to help others,joker didn't,
@@umairashraf5167 Agreed. Even though I think some people can definitely break after a very very very VERY HORRIBLE day, there are also people who pretty much have one bad *life,* and you don’t see Spider-Man turn to mass murder
I really wanted you to touch on the whole "Robins are just child soldiers to help with Batman's crusade" argument because it honestly drives me up the fucking wall with how much media is using that dumbass rhetoric. Like Titans and Crisis on Infinite Earths. NO! That's not the point of the Robins. Dick Grayson saw his parents murdered in front of him, and Bruce knew what he could become if he was left unchecked. As we know from Young Justice: "Robin needed to bring the man who murdered his family to justice." "So that he could turn out like you?" "So that he wouldn't." Batman sees himself in Dick Grayson and wants to make sure that he can properly raise him and use this anger he has into a good outlet. The problem is Batman is a very flawed and nuanced character so what he's doing for Dick and eventually the other Robins might not be the best, but it's what he knows. He might not be a perfect parent but what he does, does in fact help them. Dick Grayson is a genuinely good dude, and a fun person in both his vigilante persona and his regular persona. Does he look like a "soldier" to you? I know people will bring up Red Hood, but I feel like Batman adopted Jason too late, he was probably too damaged to properly help him. But he saw him being a troublemaker, he was still saddened by Dick moving on, so he adopted him. Tim Drake essentially strongarmed him because he knew he needed a Robin or else he would become a fucking killer if he didn't have a Robin, and Damian is... well... his actual son. And the reason HE is literally a child soldier is because he was raised from fucking birth BY THE LEAGUE OF ASSASSINS! But that's not Batman's fault. God, I just fucking hate that argument and sick of seeing it in actual Batman media, because it is innately troubling.
if you cant explain why batman needs multiple sidekicks iteration in under a paragraph then you're just doing mental gymnastics. Robins are there because back then kid sidekicks were a trendy thing, and to why there is multiple of 'em is because they're tied to batman and the writers don't need much effort unlike introducing original characters.
I feel like the whole point with Jason Todd is that he supposed to be the one example of batman failing to raise a proper robin in comparison to Dick Grayson or Tim Drake, which is why he's such a cool character. Also what happened to Jason wasn't entirely Batman's fault.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile To be honest I don't think Batman is responsible for anything happened to Jason Todd Jason was a idiot to turn off his detector completely and disobeyed Batman orders that could saved his life
I hate the fucking prep time argument because Batman actually has really impressive feats and tools he can use to scale to other highly powerful individuals. But this headass argument keeps Batman stans (I say this as a Batman fan) from having to use their brains and pull out feats to support their arguments. Just do a little research and you'll find: -The Justice Buster (which helped him solo the JL) -The Hellbat Suit (Which he used to beat the brakes off of Darksied) -The fucking Batmanium/Imaginex/Whatever tf armor (which he used in Dark Knights: Death Metal to defeat an omnipresent/potent Batman who laughs who's power spanned across the entire multiverse. Albeit, it took some help from Superman and Wonder Woman who also had Batmanium armor)
Agreed. Anyone who thinks Batman doesn’t donate to good causes and just beats up homeless people clearly doesn’t understand the character. Bruce Wayne is literally a philanthropist who has donated millions of dollars to rebuild Gotham on several occasions. Batman puts a lot of resources into helping fund charities that will improve the lives of average civilians of Gotham. It just happens that in a city with psychopathic clowns and gangs filled with super villains, that philanthropy alone isn’t going to crush crime. Throwing money at the situation isn’t going to stop Firefly from burning down City Hall, in those situations Batman is necessary.
i think there r 3 personas batman holds, BATMAN, Bruce Wayne billionaire playboy philanthropist and Bruce wayne trying to be a good friend and father to his loved ones if u have a life (unlike me) you can get confused and merge batman and Real bruce .
Not only that, when the trinity 1st met, there's a funny part where Wonder Woman has the three of them touch the lasso of truth and reveal their identities to one another. WW: Diana of Themyscira, daughter of Queen Hippolyta. SM: Clark Kent, Kal-El. BM: Batman.
@@ratedtriplexPretty sure the lasso was translating for diana since didn't speak english he technically didn't lie when it asked for a name not a true name Correct me if im wrong
That last one is more complex, is said by superman that in a perfect world theres no need for superman, but it kinda aplies for bruce to, most of the time he would love nothing more that live a normal live whit his family but made a oath and that world that dosent need batman is never gona hapend , is and endless cusade but is one he swore to do till his last day
People who say "batman just punches poor people" are the same people who say "barbie is evil to make girls have body image issues." They arent fans. And if the Joker is hot, they like him. Or they dont and like harley quinn. Now i do have a take like this. Anime all mostly looks the same and is very pervy and unfunny. This is a generalization though and ive sat down and watched it. A lot of it is good.
@@revolutionarydragon1123I remember one The Batman comic where Bruce realized that most common goons are people unemployed and down on their luck and ends up making an organization to help them get genuine jobs. This was after he fought Black Mask if I'm not wrong.
As a Green Lantern fan, how about "The Ring would choose Batman over Hal, John or just about anyone if he was near. Really??? Bruce Wayne testing an aircraft. Goal: To land perfect. Planned B if fail: Backup Bat- parachute before crash. Hal Jordan testing an aircraft. Goal: To land perfect. Planned B if fail: No plan at all. It won't fail.
What? That's the worst comparison & it doesn't even represent them plane testers do have parachutes & Hal used them in many instances & the reason why the ring wouldn't choose Batman is because the entire batman persona is build up upon trauma & Batman is full of mental illnesses that correlate with fear & never growing out of it
@@javontemorant4701 Chill out kiddo no need to cry I didn't insult personally I just said your comparison is the worst Batman could use the Green Lantern corp's ring but not as powerful as Hal Jordan I disagreed with you on the reasons not the outcome so chill out and don't cry.
For people who says Batman is a loaner, The BatFamily, Justice League, The GCPD, Catwoman, Justice League International, Superman outside of the Justice League. Just because you watched The Batman doesn’t mean you know everything about Batman as a character
Remember people: Iron man built armor to lift Thor’s hammer, but he couldn’t use its power - because he wasn’t worthy. It was just a hammer in his hands, which is what it would be in Batman’s (if he wasn’t worthy, but that’s a different debate). The panel where iron man hits Thor with his own hammer is actually hilarious because you see Thor get fucking pissed and Tony like immediately steps down
After binging The Batman (2008), like 95% of what Bruce Wayne does as Bruce Wayne is opening children's hospitals and museums, international relations, and heck he originally trusted Kirk Langstrom because he thought he was trying to cure deafness which turned out to be a lie, all to the point where Gotham considers Batman the Dark Knight of Gotham and Bruce Wayne the White Knight. All this from just ONE of the many adaptations that follows suit.
Gotham City is sick Bludhaven is cruel Gotham was the worst before batman showed up. But bludhaven is the worst now. Those guys you showed in the video talking about prep time annoy me. No batman cannot lift Thor's hammer.
The last point you made is the most complicated one imo and it seems, by your explanation, that you actually agree with us that say that and you essentially said what we’re saying lol. It seems like it’s more a getting lost in semantics type of thing. Bruce is still Bruce as in he is a normal guy for the most part that cares about people and wants to do the right thing, but he’s more like Batman in personality than he is the billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne. That part of him is definitely a persona, and I’d say him being Batman to the extreme is also a persona to a degree. When people say that Bruce died in that alley with his parents that night and only Batman was left, it moreso means that Bruce has never been truly the same since then and a part of him died. There’s no doubt that his life would’ve turned out much differently had his parents not been murdered. How his Batman side is, is when he’s not in public he’s more reserved and is all about the mission to the point where it can separate him and push people away. It’s why he doesn’t really have conventional relationships, or at least he does/can up to a certain point. But every other misconception you pointed out is dead on.
Everyone says but batman should start killing but i think what he should actually do is investigate the funds for Arkham's security system cause that money is clearly being embezzled 😂
I would personally include people who say Batman should kill. I feel people who say this fundamentally don’t understand what Batman represents. He’s a dark knight, sure, but he makes himself the beacon of hope that Gotham needs. He and Superman are a lot more alike than people think. They are two sides of the same coin, and so being the ideals and role models that people need is a big part of their character. If people have issues with that, there are other characters to explore, like Punisher, Deathstroke, Wolverine. More morally compromised figures for them to sick their teeth into.
6:14 “Bruce Wayne could totally lift Thor’s hammer with enough prep time” That prep time would be his whole career; he’d be worthy of it someday for sure
@@_General_Grievous__ Yeah lol if Punisher had recurring villains he would face a serious problem as on one hand it makes logical sense for him to kill off those villains because thats who he is as a character but on the other hand he can not kill off his villains because marvel would need them to come back again and again on and on for decades so that they can sell those comics and earn profits. They would have these 2 contradiction forces and it simply not possible.
i agree with all lot of what you said but I disagree with your ending one where you said that bruce isn't the mask me personally I think bruce is a mask but that's my opinion... great video tho well made
I’d agree that he’s more often himself as Batman and that’s more how he thinks of himself, but there are elements of wearing a mask and of being his genuine self as both Batman and Bruce Wayne. For example, if he’s chatting with Alfred around the house, that’s a genuine aspect of him. If he’s showing up to a series of parties with a different super model on his arm at each one, that’s a mask. As Batman, I’d say we see more aspects of who he genuinely is, but he’ll also often put on the mask of being a monstrous creature of the night (especially in his early days when he was more myth than man).
@@darthcarnage12I agree with that statement. His Batman mindset is just who he is, but the “I am Vengeance, I am the Knight” stuff is him putting in a persona. The Rich and arrogant Play Boy is an absolute act, but the philanthropist humanitarian side of him is genuine. At the end of the day Batman is still just young Bruce missing his parents and not wanting to feel alone or not have anyone go through what he went through; Batman Ego perfectly defines that.
Yeah the last point man finally someone said it. I feel like i was going crazy. A broken batman has bruce as the mask like the nolan trilogy and BvS but a mature batman has both balanced like Batman Forever (pheneomenal they managed to make a sequel to keatons killing batman with a faithful one) and BvS Bruce Wayne who actually manages his company before the Man of Steel incident.
@@Galvatronoverbatman forever has him learn by the end. BTAS and The Batman 2004 have him start this way. BUT DCAU Batman by TNBA starts to lose the bruce wayne side and by Beyond, you see it's gone and he's a bitter old man
About the Bruce Wayne being the mask. Before watching your video, I was at the opinion that Bruce is the mask and Batman is the real him, and after watching your video, you convinced me that his both. But, I initially thought about Bruce being the mask bc I remember watching an interview with Kevin Conroy, and they asked how does he distinguished his voice between Bruce and Batman. And I remember him saying that he always pretended that Batman is his true self and Bruce is just a disguise for the public. After that, I took it as a fact cause the Goat, who is the voice of Batman said so, but now. I do think your point makes more sense, given the fact that you look at the comics as well.
As much as I don't really like the "Batman is who he really is. Bruce Wayne is the mask." it is actually accurate to some versions. I think it's kind of a reductive take on the character... but whatever. Also, technically Batman's ACTUAL rule is supposed to be "no killing with guns." Not "no killing" and not "no guns." However, I think the reason given in Under The Red Hood that basically explains if Bruce STARTS killing, even Joker... he'll eventually be killing jaywalkers and stuff. Like, Batman ISN'T sane. He has to draw the line before he even starts or he won't stop. And I think that makes him even better as a character. That said, it also allows for his Grapnel Gun and stuff lol.
Thank you!!❤ There're comic runs called Bruce Wayne: Murderer and Batman: Fugitive where Ed brubaker addressed this whole bruce wayne is the mask nonsense and it was stated there that bruce wayne is batman and vice versa😂😂 The thing about prep time is laughable because there are instances when prep time wasn't even enough to defeat said foe case in point when he got his clock cleaned by Darkseid in his hellbat armour. And the nonsense of his villians are poor/just need money is insane in joker war Joker stole 100 billion from bruce and bro flew a plane into a building and deaths were at an all time high. As a hugeeeee batman fan I'm glad i saw this. Amazing Video❤
To lift the Mjolnir you just need to be worthy. Now do I think Batman is worthy? Hell no But here's the thing. Moon Knight could lift the Mjolnir despite being a maniac, why? Because one of his personalities was actually worthy Now Batman can pull the same trick, he already created a different personality of himself called Batman Zur-en-ah, a completely different persona created as a contingency plan to stop himself, he can literally reboot himself into a new psychological operating system like a computer, he can do the same thing and a creat a new personality that IS worthy of holding the Mjolnir And there you go Plus, Thor's hammer become literally a joke in the comics, nearly everyone could wield it which annoys me tbh
Your Idea is actually could work but the example you used is wrong Moonknight was able to use because the god he work for is the Egyptian moon god (Khonshu) & the metal (the Uru metal) that Mjolnir is made of is ore from the first moon in existence not because one of his personalities is worthy
correct me if im wrong but Wonder women once had her lasso of truth on batman and asked who he was and Batman said "Im Batman". Batman may actually see himself as batman as it allows him to embrass his inner darkness and pain and even fears. Bruce wayne is definitely a character that he tries to make the most out of when it comes to using his money for good. But he also has that persona so that way no one would even guess that he is Batman. though he is Bruce; Bruce wayne is more of a place holder.. while as Batman it allows him to show off all of his skills and talents such as engineering, intelligence, detective, martial artists, mentor, leader, and justice. Therefore even Bruce truly believes that deep down, he is more of Batman than he is Bruce Wayne. I thought the no kill rule was silly at times as sometimes this rule allowed most of his villians to take advantage of him. Even though its obvious the writers know that Batman wouldnt have many interesting stories without his villians; still, your explanation for batmans reason to not kill still made a lot lf sense. Batman wants tk be a symbol of justice and hope only in a more darker way. Unlike most heros, Batman may not kill but he can be ruthless and brutal. He'll make a man wish he died. Batman can torcher a man both physically and mentally. However most of Batmans villains are immune to this effect due to their own special abilities that equip them the ability to stand a chance against Batman. But regardless, he literally has a symbol in the sky. So if obvious he does want to represent something that the ppl can look up to and something that evil would fear at the same time. If Batman had no villians he wouldnt be as interesting lets be honest. take marvels the Punisher for example. He kills but nobody gives a rats ass about him. So batmans no kill rule has some reality flaws but for the sake kf comic book fiction and entertainment and meaning.. Batman gets away with it. Therefore Batman is a super hero jusg like spiderman and superman who also dont kill. Batman just has different strategies. Meaning unlike spiderman and superman, Batman has no problem leaving his enemies on 1 HP.
@@mrmacross If it’s a mundane solo story then yeah Batman shouldn’t be capable of making such tech. But if it’s not specifically meant to be grounded or realistic, then there should be almost no bounds to Bruce’s tech since that’d be contrived. If the characters in his universe can make ridiculously op tech, then he should be capable of it also. Imagine this, everyone around Batman making universe wiping bombs, reality altering tech or tech that can wipe the JL, all of which Batman has to deal with, study & combat, and Batman for no reason at all sticks to his steel tools and blades. It’d not only be contrived but make Batman seem unintelligent relative to the universe he’s in. At the end of the day, what’s within Batmans ‘domain’ it’s what’s been established as humanly or technologically possible in the Dcu. Not Irl or any other verse.
@@silver______ I respect the take. It's something about the Justice League concept I don't really care for. If you're bringing the heroes together, what generally ends up resulting is that guys like Superman, Flash, and Green Lantern have to get nerfed, but Batman has to get elevated to some version of the character that's not particularly compatible with the solo version of the character. There are other issues, too. The DCAU guys tried to balance the JLA by making Batman the brains and the others could keep most of their brawns... but then they decided sidelining Batman wasn't a lot of fun, so Batman ended up being the brains AND being useful in combat, while the others don't have much smarts to provide.
@@joshuanyalungu3281 Because that’s not how the machine worked. Even if it was, which it wasn’t, I find that train of logic to be fallacious. It’s like asking “If we have nukes why not just Nuke all our enemies to stop all the conflicts” it’s called reasonable force. What is he gonna do? Re-write their brains? Turn them to frogs? Strip them of their free will? Erase them from reality? All those options are out of character. And have been shown to be outside Batmans code of ethics.
My interpretation of the whole "Bruce Wayne is a mask" thing is that it isn't referring to how his loved ones see him, but how the general public does. Like you said, the playboy act is the persona of Bruce Wayne that he puts on at public events. But the way he acts out of the public eye, both in and out of costume when he's with his loved ones and allies, that's the real him. And there are different facets of his true personality that come to the forefront depending on the situation, like you have the caring father, the harsh mentor, the calculating vigilante, etc, all of those are _still_ him. Because he's human and humans are never one-note, we adapt our demeanor and actions based on what's around us.
I completely agree with your take on prep time I just was watching and started to think like the hammer idea was dumb but…. Technically with the prep time he could figure out it has a spell on it that makes it so only the worthy can wield it. So he would just take years to become worthy (which he might already be close) so maybe with years of prep time. This being said I’m just running with it as a joke, I still completely agree with prep time being dumb 😂
Bro single-handedly rebuilt Gotham after no mans land can forget he gives all his employees a fair wage while also getting people who need jobs the most jobs
The Thor's hammer is actually a interesting example because you need to be worthy what does that entail he could figure it out and change himself but at the same its counter to his character he is not Thor's and he does seek to be worthy he has he's own goals that run contrary to being worthy it's no who he is but the thing with prep is that batman already the prep ready he not making new plans he already made them for most DC the real thing is equipment can he order a air drop then suit for the fight and lurk in the shadows while he waits can he pick his suit or is just he's base suit because we all batman can beat super man but not with his base suit not enough kryptonite and everything else he might need and don't lie to me that he just a normal guy or peak human he's beyond that he fights superhumans and is characterized as a meta human by the US government and accomplish feats impossible to even most superhumans. good video
i agree with all that u just said. but my biggest problem with batman is that he feels overuseed. its like dc forgot the other characters exist and be like "oh batsy we are gonna milk you for more cash now!"
I agree with pretty much everything in the video however, in the nightmare sequence from Batman v Superman and from Zack Snyder's Justice League, I can only assume that given the climate of the world in that Universe around that time when Darkseid is taking over Earth that he'd have to resort to Heavy Artillery. I considered Zack Snyder's dceu more of an elseworlds tail than anything so Affleck's Batman never bothered me that much and honestly is probably my favorite take on the character in live-action. To make the long story short if the story calls for Batman to fall deep down that hole of giving up his morals only to emerge from that whole once again as the Batman we all know, I don't have an issue with that. As long as it's only a short-term phase. And I've been a huge Batman fan since I was five so nobody needs to question my fandom. As far as all of the Batman actors ever, Kevin Conroy is the goat rip
An arc addressing the "Batman beats up poor people" would be a great arc to bring back a cool Killer Moth. You introduce Batman at an early stage when he is genuinely the emotionally stunted rich guy who beats up desperate people because he hasn't learned to differentiate the desperate from the depraved, then you have this behavior create Killer Moth to fight back against Batman's brutality. A guy who turns Batman's tactics and gadgets against him and confounds Batman with the ingenuity of prey animals. Decoys, mimicry, camouflage, etc. Killer Moth isn't a Batman that protects Supervillains, he's a Batman who protects the people who Gotham forces to choose between getting beaten by Batman and the police or getting murdered by the Supervillains and crime bosses. This discovery and regret for his behavior leads Batman to reinvest his efforts from just vengeance, to really trying to fix the system. Killer Moth and his kind remain villains though, showing Bruce Wayne's projects aren't reaching the people they are meant to, this leads to Batman diving deeper into his detective side and discovering things like the Court Of Owls, etc, until in later arcs we might even see Killer Moth become Batman's informant and ally
I don’t think Batman is able to do everything with prep time, but I do think he’ll still come up with insane plans for insane situations that he’ll commit to 100% if he thinks the moment calls for it. And I think that’s sorta funny.
Another thing that i personally dislike is the idea of contengency plans, because it goes against one of batmans main characteristics. Batman is an optimist, thats another reason why he doesn't kill and tries over and over again to help people like the joker. If he has contingency plans it implied that he is a pessimist and always looks at the bad side of things. But thats just my opinion.
Batman is an optimist but he also doesn’t fully trust anyone and is super careful. And he’s always thinking many steps ahead because he’s a master strategist and planner who thinks with his brain and not emotions (as he gets more experienced, at least). The contingency plans make plenty of sense and is in line with his character.
@@akilbrazier1421 nah Tower of Babel ruined Batman for years. The whole point was that Batman shouldn’t be a paranoid weirdo not that he’s an unstoppable badass….
@@dc7981 I don’t think it did. It just showed that he doesn’t blindly trust people and that he’s a master planner. Somebody has to have those kind of contingency plans and who better than the one guy on the team without any powers? Not to mention you can interpret it as a character flaw. Batman ain’t perfect, and perfect characters are boring.
Here is a quote for the two points that I will make which should only make the first two justifiable: Here is a quote that people should remember “Mercy for an enemy should not come at the cost of their victims.” Especially in the case of those who do not want to change. People get criticized in real life for these kind of things for letting people live that would lead to more tragedy later. In any case, Batman can have his “No Kill Rule”, that is not going to stop people from calling him out on it, either that or they just don’t care and want to enjoy the story for what it is, even like bringing Joker back to life who would go back to being insane and would commit more terrible crimes. If you don’t want that, don’t make tensions like that would lead to any deaths in my opinion. That doesn’t stop his other iterations even after 1939 from killing as well, Movies, cartoons, comics, etc, just because they kill people do not take issue with that because they watch it for Batman anyway, even Reeves did kill, it is 1 for 1 scenario, either he kills or he doesn’t, and it is up to you to watch/read/play it or not, and just because they brought it up doesn’t justify it for someone else or does depending on taste, it just means people don’t care since it is clear they don’t focus on it compared to the rest of the story from what I have come to see and believe. As for the being a poor people, those poor people are usually driven usually by desperation because just like in Batman begins that version has people driven by poverty and fear. Not saying that he doesn’t use his wealth to better the people of Gotham, how about bettering the correctional facilities like prisons or jails for those who are the result of said broken system or just doesn’t have remorse and straight up monsters, improve their security, improve the rehabilitation programs to make the Rogues Gallery not want to be psychotic killers. He literally has contingency plans to take down certain people, why not take contingencies to make them better people? That way crime would likely go down. The problem here is not just from within via corruption, but without too (criminals). And that would just clearly show the people that don’t want to be fixed and just willing to be the monsters that they are, it is justifiable for people in their universe to ask for the death sentence for those who don’t want to change despite given the Wayne’s help.
Its fairly often stated in comics through off-handed remarks that he does above the table charity work and investments into city infrastructure. And whenever the comics decide to emphasize on them more than a few lines, any comic reader would immediately clock it as being hijacked by a villain.
Batman is like.. The Main personality, but Bruce Wayne is kind of a mood change thing. Whenever Batman is going through it Bruce Wayne deteriorates.. And as Batman does well, so does Bruce Wayne! They are of course one in the same, and he knows it. Though Batman Forever is not a good movie I love the quote " I am both Batman and Bruce Wayne, not because I have to be. But because I choose to be. "
The statement of “Batman beats poor people” obviously came from the Joker movie. I think a lot of people misinterpreted that film and immediately used it as fuel to hate on Batman.
First things first. Batman can do a lot of things with prep time. He can defeat/outsmart various Villans with prep time. He is a ninja after all. But that doesn't mean he's a universal threat and capable of doing things like lifting Thor's hammer which is said to only lift when the wilder is worthy. No amount of prep time can make someone be worthy for anything. Batman's prep time is in the welm of reality. Making plans and contingency plans when things goes off the rails or something unexpected happens. Yes he can do incredible things with prep time like any other ninja would. But to beat a god like being? Or even be worthy to lift Thor's hammer that's most likely not going to happen. He can get their respect and find whatever weakness he or the league can exploit but to beat clean one on one? No. Secondly it was said in multiple situations both in cartoons and possibly the comics (Because they came first) that Bruce calls himself Batman unless he is Bruce Wayne talking to a civilian. For example in Batman beyond Batman was able keep himself from being mind controled because the person in question called him Bruce. Bruce calls himself Batman. Not only that when Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman first met and all had the lasso of truth on them. Wonder Woman and Superman told their real names. Bruce said Batman. And I'm sure there's probably more examples then just these 2. Dislike it all you want. Batman is his true self and Bruce is his mask.
I'm going to push back on the whole "Batman is his true persona" point. If you think about it, we rarely ever see Bruce Wayne. Just because he's not in costume doesn't mean he isn't Batman. If he's sitting down doing Batman work in his jammies, he's still Batman. Bruce Wayne is the persona he puts on when he has to interact with the public. It's a false face meant to distance himself from Batman as much as he can. If Bruce is eating lunch in his kitchen but still talking about a Batman related topic, he's Batman. The persona permeates his entire private life and who he truly is. The only time we see Bruce Wayne is when he's in public, and then he's trying to convince people he's just another good-hearted gojillionair.
The animated series and Batman Beyond are the ones that really play into the whole "Batman is the persona, Bruce Wayne is the mask" sort of thing, which is perhaps why people make that argument 🤔. Also, I love how the same people who often say that "Superman is boring because he's too powerful" are the same people who overly praise Batman for going toe to toe with gods or falling from the moon, and how he can do these things because of his rigid preparedness for everything 🤨.
People who say batman should kill joker or any other villain dont understand comics. The same thing can be applied to any comic book character with the amount of reappearances they have. You read comics long enough you’ll learn its all bs like an insanely long soap opera thats been going on for 70+ years. Thats why you should just create your own canon using different “canon” stories in your head that makes sense to you
I agree with what you say about the Bruce Wayne is the mask and Batman is who he really is cus that’s not entirely true he is Bruce Wayne but he’s also Batman and there are times when one or the other is more dominant or in charge but it’s still more complicated than that that’s just the surface level I can put it it’s hard for me to explain so I’m going to keep it at that but ya I agree with you And I thank you cus I feel I see the Bruce is the mask logic so much and it hurts cus that’s not entirely true at least in my opinion
It will maybe a little out of context and crazy, but i hate writers turning Batman into an abusive, neglectful asshole and he's being painted as a dishonorable, scumbag,loser and asshole who is abusive,neglectful and who deserves the worst,nothing,to be miserable all the time,is someone who messes up everything (particularly in romantic relationships),who’s the worst at everything he does and who has no quality other than being a rich white man while Catwoman is everything perfect (imo it's the opposite, she’s shit btw) and he's getting degraged (imo) for the sake of making Catwoman look superior Mary Sue girlboss icon fantasy (particularly in Tumblr) (Come on people there are better girlbosses than Catwoman 😒😒) or villain (particularly Joker) glorification. Granted, i'm not saying Batman is %100 perfect, but i think he's not as a horrible man as some paint him to be. I also saw in tumblr "Batman beats mentally ill people" I have nothing agaisnt mentally ill people and may God give them peace, oportunity to get treatment and good qualified life as soon as possible and i'm not denying Batman has mentally ill enemies. But we also should remember that Batman's villains aren't innocent people either. Like Harley, for example, she participated in nuking of Metropolis in Injustice or actively tortured my boy Jason just because she's salty that Joker took a like on the poor boy and literally massacred a kindergarten full of children in Arkham Games.
Batman in my opinion shouldnt need prep time for thors hammer the things he knows his villains have done seen had done to him n hasn't snapped there necks he's worthy. And he can use a green n yellow lantern ring so isn't that similar
Another common misconseption is that batman is vengance, no he is not, he HAS vengance maybe year one or two sure but eventually he matures and turns to justice, as is his core charecter development, because without it he relizes if he stays in vengance without moving past that into justice, his motivations are no better that his villans.
Here’s a list of who can beat prep time batman, from Marvel! Thor Hulk Sentry Hyperion Blue marvel Spider-Man Wolverine Deadpool Gambit Rogue Professor X Jean Grey Dr Strange Thanos Dr Doom Ultron Carnage Anti Venom Venom Toxin Riot Loki Shang Chi Captain America is 50/50 with prep, cap stomps without it, same with Winter Soldier Iron Man is 50/50 as both have crazy prep
6:53 ngl arris from variant comics was kinda biased and stupid on that take because while batman could hold Mjölnir, it’s not prep time that could make him hold it but his character what makes him tick is what will make him worthy if Mjölnir deems him because he has the qualities he’s just a man in the end
I dont like the "Bruce is the fake identity, Batman is the real one" concept either for the way its prtrayed, but i do on some level see a good character point there. Bruce Wayne is indeed still the authentic person, but psychologists have taken a look at how the anonymity of Batman allows Bruce to act on his less thab socially acceptable emotions, such as rage, that he cant as bruce wayne. I think in that way, Batman can sometimes be the true identity.
Superheroes beating up poor people is a misconception started by the comic books themselves, comic books like The Authority under writers like Mark Millar. He wasn't the first, The Authority wasn't the first, but that's the standout example to me because it was published by DC Comics themselves. When a company doesn't even know they're own material they're beyond my help. Sadly, DC is the origin of and retains the rights to a few properties I actually care about, so they'll likely never be off my radar entirely.
I hate the “Bruce Wayne is the mask and Batman is his true self” misconception the most and it’s annoyingly spread everywhere, it diminishes his character and makes him even worst since ultimately he’s the same in and out of the suit. It’s like Grayson, around his friends and family he’s not that dark but around crime aka when he’s prowling around as the Batman he’s stone cold and serious. It makes him seem broken, and Batman being always broken makes him less great to me. He’s Bruce Wayne and Batman like Kal El is Superman and Clark Kent or Dick Grayson is both Nightwing, the first Robin and the last Flying Grayson. No matter what name or suit they’re using they’re still themselves, they’re not Two-face. If anything, Bruce Wayne is his true nature and Batman is still the mask made the night he lost his parents. People just want some kinda poetic and deep sounding thing but what the comics show, isn’t that…
Well no batman/Bruce Wayne no matter which one you think is a mask he is a shit human sometimes like he barely parents his kids and spends all of his time in a cave not wanting to do anything but beat up people
It’s more that Bruce Wayne is more himself when he’s Batman the version of Bruce he shows to the world is a bit exaggerated save for his close friends and confidants
I have to disagree, especially with the use of Dick as your example, because that’s the point. Dick is everything you layer out, and it’s why he’s better than Bruce.
Bruce wayne not being a real person really isnt wrong especially in more recent years. Theres truth in some of the misconceptions. Because they are built up on some accurate information. Arkham batman is definaitly a loner and bruce in batman beyond doesnt think of himself as bruce wayne
Prep time doesn't exist, you never here him go, give me two weeks, and ill fight Bane. He has a bunch of random plans he adapts to his needs. If Batman is actively prepping for you, you're done.
Here’s my somewhat stupid and wild take. I think scarecrow should become a yellow lantern. I would like it if scarecrow was genuinely thankful for the opportunity of becoming a yellow lantern and Sinestro doesn’t trust him, but he’s aware of how useful having scarecrow’s fear toxin would be, how scarecrow seems genuinely loyal and dedicated to his cost and he also knows that he’s an earth scientist who can barely do shit and has only been a lantern for like maybe a day and sees him as no threat and Sinestro‘s been a lantern way longer before he had his own core. And the DC heroes find out and treat it as an omega level threat
He has been a yellow lantern before... But no he shouldn't be. Because you take him out of his waters. Some characters do not work in other heroes mythology. Do what you said and you ruin the aesthetic and attitude of classic scarecrow stories. In one word you ruin the image of the character. Just like two face and penguin would make terrible superman villains... scarecrow naturally wouldn't fit in a sci fi space framework. I get it, it was cool for one time (blackest night) but it shouldn't be anything more.
@@jhngrg8132 he’s a scientist who wants to study fear. wouldn’t he be interested in doing that with other alien life? spreading his name across the cosmos. becoming fear itself. hell he can even work with alien technology or other alien scientist, and try to work on an even better fear, toxin and the yellow ring would make him so OP. him and the yellow core can come back to earth and start kicking some ass. How many stories can we tell about him dicking around in Gotham getting his teeth kicked in by Batman? let’s try to take him up to some higher places.
@@sammysamiam5219No it won't be cool. It would be far fetched. if you're about to ruin it don't change it. Plus there are a lot of batman villains that, at the end of the day, have only one story. They are in their core "one shot" villains (mr freeze, man bat, anarky, ratcatcher). Whenever thay appear is the same thing, the same story. But 1) scarecrow isn't one of them and 2) i don't want them to change. They are fine the way they are. I don't want, for example, mr freeze getting magical abilities and casting spells on his wife to bring her back or casting spells against batman. It is lame because magic doesn't belong in batman. Simple. Magic works for shazam, space works for gl, greek mythology works for ww and crazy people with weird costumes who rob banks works for batman. End of discussion.
@@jhngrg8132 hell man, I don’t know I think it’s just a waste of potential I mean, wasn’t poison ivy just a crazy environmental plant scientist and then years later she became part of the green and got reincarnated? wasn’t manbat just a mad scientist who turned himself into a giant bat, then became part of a global superhero, super villain American conspiracy theory, who then later on joined wonder woman and detective chimp and became part of Justice league dark? I don’t think it’s a far stretch to take a guy like scarecrow based entirely around fear and give him a new power set centered around fear and maybe put him in a new setting
@@jhngrg8132 also didn’t deathstrokes start off just as a Teen Titans villain, and then moved on to Green arrow and then moved on to Batman? Didn’t King shark start as a Superboy villain and then moved onto the flash and then moved onto fighting Batman more than just a couple of times? I don’t see the danger in putting scarecrow up against someone else for a change. just give us some more fun opportunities. He could play off hal, John, guy, Kyle, or any other lantern or space themed character.
Batman talking about himself: “He is only human.” Batman Powerscalers: “And that is why Batman can absolutely solo dragon ball with a week of prep time-“
I think the best way the best way to prove misconception “Batman only beats up poor people and doesn't use his financial status in Gotham to better help the people” would be to show some ex-criminal that has been rehabilited by the project of Bruce Wayne or was motived by the fear of Batman to stay a honest citizen and received help to stay that way thanks to Wayne charity.
One opinion I hate on Batman is him using high-tech armors strips him away of his relatable human abilities to adapt and makes him more like Iron Man than an actual Batman. The thing is, he's a superhero with no superpowers who lives in a world where a huge portion of the villains he and his friends must face are literal gods or at the very least beings that can be compared to gods when it comes to how powerful they are. He may be the most skilled martial artist and detective on Earth, but he's still a normal human being at the end of the day. Thus, when it comes to dealing with individuals that can shatter planets with a single punch, to say that Batman gets stomped by them would be a huge understatement. And as a superhero tasked with protecting the entire world and beyond, he must find a way to make up for this stomp against him. Plus, even when putting the using high-tech armors thing aside, I think Batman and Iron Man have enough similarities to make the comparison between them work. Also, 8:38 why does it feel so heartwarmingly wholesome to me?
I feel like with the last point we’re all just getting lost in semantics, because you actually agree with the people that have the whole “bruce is the mask” take. I think it comes down to what we want to identify as when he is Bruce and when he is Batman, separate from when he’s wearing the mask. Is he Batman when he’s interrogating a thug upside down or when he’s have a rooftop conversation with Dick. Is he Bruce when he’s helping Damien at the manor or when he’s putting on a show at a gala? I think the point is that there are different personas, unrelated to when he’s wearing the costume, in contrast to Clark and Diana who are practically the same characters in and out of costume (insert famous lasso image here)
I'm a huge wonder woman fan. Read 50 years worth of her comics. And one of the opinions I heard of her is that she's a feminist. In a comic herself said that she isn't and that she's a humanist.
The first point is stupid to anybody who knows even the basics of politics that simply throwing money at a problem is not enough to fix it Batman not killing people by itself isn't the problem, it's the fact the world doesn't react like it should. If people like Joker and Scarecrow are so dangerous and have proven time and time again they won't change, have the authorities put'em in the chair or why doesn't the mob hire people on the inside and make sure these Batman villains "Commit suicide" since I seriously doubt the mob that controls everything would want a bunch of lunatics causing mayhem everywhere as that would be bad for business. Same issue I have with Court of Owls, that idea by itself is fine but it's all just a thinly veiled excuse to keep the status quo going I've got nothing to add to the loner thing. I would prefer people write the loner thing less as it does make him come of as incredibly angsty (and not in a cool way) The prep time thing again is just silly to the point that it's a meme now. The problem with this is that in order for Batman to be able to defeat anyone with prep time, everyone has to be an idiot. Like what's to stop someone just as smart or even smarter than Batman from doing the same thing I also don't like the idea of Bruce Wayne being the mask and Batman is the real person as that kinda misses the point (doesn't help that some Batman writers and producers have said that), Bruce Wayne is why Batman exist in the first place. He's not The Punisher, Frank Castle was already screwed up and was waiting for an excuse to happen so he could go on killing people and the death of his family was exactly that now if Batman was written more like that then that idea would make alot more sense.
It's funny how people fail to understand the whole point of the prep time and contingencies with Batman. It's a fundamental character trait of his that Bruce is literally paranoid of every single situation possible always thinking of the worst situations. It's not even about him being able to beat everyone and always winning which is what some people seem to think it's about
The thing about the "prep time" deal is it kinda just waves away any real argument or attempt at imagination. Kinda like a lot of "who would win in a fight" there's not really a story in pointing out that superman is invincible and could lobotomize Bruce with his laser vision a mile away. The story comes from in how you get there and how the two could believably conflict with each other. Batman preps for Superman specifically cause there are factors in the DC universe where superman could be compromised, same with the rest of the justice league, which is outlined in the Babel story. and the whole point of THAT story was batman's paranoid preparation being used against him and his friends. It's not and has never been a Do Anything gimmick cause that leads for shitty stories, and evidently, shitty tiktok videos.
Another reason why so many people spout the "batman beats up on poor people" rhetoric is because of the whole "eat the rich" rhetoric, either that of their trust fund babies themselves who have self-hartred because they see someone like Bruce Wayne helping people with his money and they get pissy, because they know they will never do the same with their money due to them being selfish and entitled
Batman will never be able to lift thor's hammer because of his no kill rule. Main reason why spidey cant lift is because he is afraid of killing same will be for batman
But in many comics and shows, it's been shown that HE IS THE BATMAN and he just acts like Bruce Wayne as a necessity and to remain concealed in Gotham politics and economics.
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“Batman should kill people.”
Batman doesn’t kill people for many reasons but one of them is that he also wants to be a symbol of hope for Gotham as well. If he started killing people, Gotham civilians would start fearing him and would be seen as another freak villain. Police would start going after him. You wouldn’t have any orphans looking up to him, is what I’m saying. If Batman started killing he would quickly become a pseudo-dictator. Anyone remember ‘Justice Lords’ from the 90s and 2000s Justice League show?
“Bruce Wayne could do more to help Gotham than Batman by donating money.”
Bruce already helps Gotham a ton. But eliminating poverty wouldn’t eliminate violent crime. This is true IRL and in Gotham, most of Gotham’s villains are extremely wealthy. Gotham sucks because it’s corrupt, like many places IRL.
I think joker would better off be dead
@@umairashraf5167cool. tell that to the gotham court system that keeps letting him stay in an insane asylum without giving him the death penalty for all the atrocities he's committed. not batman's fault that the justice system is a complete joke.
@@umairashraf5167I agree
@@umairashraf5167blame the curses and corruption of Gotham
@@Yourfat247 that alone doesn't make him the victim,he chose his life
“Batman only beats up poor people”
Penguin, Hush, Ras’ Al-Gul:
Falcone as well.
@@josiah3820Casual fans tend to forget because Joker is popular, but Bruce's first targets were legit all the rich elite and crime bosses in Gotham. From the Police Commissioner, the Maronis, the Falcones.
joker is super rich, he was the main bad guy with a bunch of henchmen he HIRED.
@@javaughndouglas3641 i like how you say “originally” because nowadays he’s deviated to validating fans concerns
@thephoenix4093 there's a difference between being being poor and just choosing to live without money. Joker very much could rob banks or whatever to amass wealth, but he doesn't. Not because he can't, but because he simply doesn't want to.
Also I think it'd be a funny idea to have a comic issue dedicated to the recruitment process of different villains.
Joker makes you kill your friends and family, maybe Black Mask actually pays you, and possibly the Penguin has fights to see who can join the crew.
Could be a neat idea that they may have already done.
To expand on your first point:
General audiences that hold contrarian opinions just don't want to admit that "traditional" Superheroes can in fact be taken seriously, so they gloss over some realistic factors that may have influenced their vigilantism (corruption, crime networks, legal loopholes etc) , but still parrot the factors that affirm their opinions (mental illness, ego, sadism etc.)
“With prep time-“ no. Just no. He’s not God. He’s not omniscient or omnipotent. We also see him lose and fail WITH PREP TIME multiple times!!!!
It's fun argument to be had. It just gets overused
I don't know what you're talking about, he warp reality once.
If he want, he can lift thor hammer. magnetor did it
@@Watch-0w1 Lol 😂
@@Watch-0w1 I mean Batman I worthy probably he could lift it
Then I can lift it too😂@@Watch-0w1
8:40 I Like How Bruce, Clark and Diana Are Casually Eating Together While In Costume.
So that’s why the cowl doesn’t cover his entire face!
The funny thing is, Joker uses the first misconception various time to attack Batman, people taking Joker’s words for facts don’t quite understand his character and role 😅
Like, mental health help can only do so much, and some people just wanna watch the world burn, to quote Alfred, and if you look at Injustice, these supervillains got the means to commit great atrocities
Lmao so true like I'm so tired that people take jokers whole one bad day statement as a fact,when the point is that he's wrong,he put gordon and batman through torture for years and they still haven't broken
@@umairashraf5167bro batman broke after his parents death
@@Yourfat247 and? batman broke but it's not like he became the joker and spread pain ,he didn't let it define him and used it to help others,joker didn't,
@@umairashraf5167 Agreed. Even though I think some people can definitely break after a very very very VERY HORRIBLE day, there are also people who pretty much have one bad *life,* and you don’t see Spider-Man turn to mass murder
I say it and I repeat it, Batman's only fault is that he is not a Marvel character, which is why he receives this much misunderstanding and hatred.
I really wanted you to touch on the whole "Robins are just child soldiers to help with Batman's crusade" argument because it honestly drives me up the fucking wall with how much media is using that dumbass rhetoric. Like Titans and Crisis on Infinite Earths. NO! That's not the point of the Robins. Dick Grayson saw his parents murdered in front of him, and Bruce knew what he could become if he was left unchecked. As we know from Young Justice:
"Robin needed to bring the man who murdered his family to justice."
"So that he could turn out like you?"
"So that he wouldn't."
Batman sees himself in Dick Grayson and wants to make sure that he can properly raise him and use this anger he has into a good outlet. The problem is Batman is a very flawed and nuanced character so what he's doing for Dick and eventually the other Robins might not be the best, but it's what he knows. He might not be a perfect parent but what he does, does in fact help them. Dick Grayson is a genuinely good dude, and a fun person in both his vigilante persona and his regular persona. Does he look like a "soldier" to you? I know people will bring up Red Hood, but I feel like Batman adopted Jason too late, he was probably too damaged to properly help him. But he saw him being a troublemaker, he was still saddened by Dick moving on, so he adopted him. Tim Drake essentially strongarmed him because he knew he needed a Robin or else he would become a fucking killer if he didn't have a Robin, and Damian is... well... his actual son. And the reason HE is literally a child soldier is because he was raised from fucking birth BY THE LEAGUE OF ASSASSINS! But that's not Batman's fault. God, I just fucking hate that argument and sick of seeing it in actual Batman media, because it is innately troubling.
Bruce even says it in batman beyond, "every one of you came to me"
if you cant explain why batman needs multiple sidekicks iteration in under a paragraph then you're just doing mental gymnastics. Robins are there because back then kid sidekicks were a trendy thing, and to why there is multiple of 'em is because they're tied to batman and the writers don't need much effort unlike introducing original characters.
@@gary7867 I was going for the more "in universe" reason than the "out of universe" reason. But yes.
I feel like the whole point with Jason Todd is that he supposed to be the one example of batman failing to raise a proper robin in comparison to Dick Grayson or Tim Drake, which is why he's such a cool character. Also what happened to Jason wasn't entirely Batman's fault.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile To be honest I don't think Batman is responsible for anything happened to Jason Todd Jason was a idiot to turn off his detector completely and disobeyed Batman orders that could saved his life
I hate the fucking prep time argument because Batman actually has really impressive feats and tools he can use to scale to other highly powerful individuals. But this headass argument keeps Batman stans (I say this as a Batman fan) from having to use their brains and pull out feats to support their arguments. Just do a little research and you'll find:
-The Justice Buster (which helped him solo the JL)
-The Hellbat Suit (Which he used to beat the brakes off of Darksied)
-The fucking Batmanium/Imaginex/Whatever tf armor (which he used in Dark Knights: Death Metal to defeat an omnipresent/potent Batman who laughs who's power spanned across the entire multiverse. Albeit, it took some help from Superman and Wonder Woman who also had Batmanium armor)
Doesn't the hell batman kill him while he uses it?
@@joshuanyalungu3281 yes, but it also lets him box Darksied
Agreed. Anyone who thinks Batman doesn’t donate to good causes and just beats up homeless people clearly doesn’t understand the character. Bruce Wayne is literally a philanthropist who has donated millions of dollars to rebuild Gotham on several occasions.
Batman puts a lot of resources into helping fund charities that will improve the lives of average civilians of Gotham. It just happens that in a city with psychopathic clowns and gangs filled with super villains, that philanthropy alone isn’t going to crush crime. Throwing money at the situation isn’t going to stop Firefly from burning down City Hall, in those situations Batman is necessary.
i think there r 3 personas batman holds, BATMAN, Bruce Wayne billionaire playboy philanthropist and Bruce wayne trying to be a good friend and father to his loved ones if u have a life (unlike me) you can get confused and merge batman and Real bruce .
Batman, Wayne, and Bruce.
I'm high...and the concept of Batman beating Jesus with prep time has me on the floor in tears
😂😂😂
The "Batman is the true mask" came from the DCAU, specifically in Batman Beyond where he mentally doesn't call himself Bruce.
I don't call use my name in my head.
Not only that, when the trinity 1st met, there's a funny part where Wonder Woman has the three of them touch the lasso of truth and reveal their identities to one another.
WW: Diana of Themyscira, daughter of Queen Hippolyta.
SM: Clark Kent, Kal-El.
BM: Batman.
@@ratedtriplexPretty sure the lasso was translating for diana since didn't speak english he technically didn't lie when it asked for a name not a true name
Correct me if im wrong
@@OcsilienLuckens I have no idea. I saw the pic and thought it was funny and it lines up with that episode from Batman Beyond.
Even though I'm not that big a Batman fan, you made a lot of excellent points.
Plus that Prep time shit is annoying AF
That last one is more complex, is said by superman that in a perfect world theres no need for superman, but it kinda aplies for bruce to, most of the time he would love nothing more that live a normal live whit his family but made a oath and that world that dosent need batman is never gona hapend , is and endless cusade but is one he swore to do till his last day
People who say "batman just punches poor people" are the same people who say "barbie is evil to make girls have body image issues." They arent fans.
And if the Joker is hot, they like him. Or they dont and like harley quinn.
Now i do have a take like this. Anime all mostly looks the same and is very pervy and unfunny. This is a generalization though and ive sat down and watched it. A lot of it is good.
The poor people are the no name thugs that he beat up not the supervillains
@@revolutionarydragon1123I remember one The Batman comic where Bruce realized that most common goons are people unemployed and down on their luck and ends up making an organization to help them get genuine jobs. This was after he fought Black Mask if I'm not wrong.
A lot of anime faces are identical.
@@revolutionarydragon1123For all we know Bruce could pay for free healthcare in Gotham (which would also explain why so many people still live there)
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As a Green Lantern fan, how about "The Ring would choose Batman over Hal, John or just about anyone if he was near. Really???
Bruce Wayne testing an aircraft. Goal: To land perfect. Planned B if fail: Backup Bat- parachute before crash.
Hal Jordan testing an aircraft.
Goal: To land perfect. Planned B if fail: No plan at all. It won't fail.
What? That's the worst comparison & it doesn't even represent them plane testers do have parachutes & Hal used them in many instances & the reason why the ring wouldn't choose Batman is because the entire batman persona is build up upon trauma & Batman is full of mental illnesses that correlate with fear & never growing out of it
@@newmobils8294 It ain't the worst comparison. You're just slow. Other wise Robert Venditti wouldn't agree.
@@newmobils8294 The fact that you don't understand is 95% detail you're no big GL fan.
@@javontemorant4701 Chill out kiddo no need to cry I didn't insult personally I just said your comparison is the worst Batman could use the Green Lantern corp's ring but not as powerful as Hal Jordan I disagreed with you on the reasons not the outcome so chill out and don't cry.
@@newmobils8294 It's not hard lol. What a coincidence a Batman fan talks and doesn't understand. Lol
For people who says Batman is a loaner, The BatFamily, Justice League, The GCPD, Catwoman, Justice League International, Superman outside of the Justice League. Just because you watched The Batman doesn’t mean you know everything about Batman as a character
Remember people: Iron man built armor to lift Thor’s hammer, but he couldn’t use its power - because he wasn’t worthy. It was just a hammer in his hands, which is what it would be in Batman’s (if he wasn’t worthy, but that’s a different debate). The panel where iron man hits Thor with his own hammer is actually hilarious because you see Thor get fucking pissed and Tony like immediately steps down
Batman will never be worthy since he doesnt kill same happened with spiderman he wont kill
@@SamAx. So wait, *Captain America* did??
@@TheMamaluigi300 yeah although the movir doesnt show him kill he is infact willing to. I mean he did join the world war. He kills in the comics too
Steve become worthy when he's in battle
After binging The Batman (2008), like 95% of what Bruce Wayne does as Bruce Wayne is opening children's hospitals and museums, international relations, and heck he originally trusted Kirk Langstrom because he thought he was trying to cure deafness which turned out to be a lie, all to the point where Gotham considers Batman the Dark Knight of Gotham and Bruce Wayne the White Knight. All this from just ONE of the many adaptations that follows suit.
Gotham City is sick
Bludhaven is cruel
Gotham was the worst before batman showed up. But bludhaven is the worst now.
Those guys you showed in the video talking about prep time annoy me. No batman cannot lift Thor's hammer.
@@baki484 And even if he could, “prep time” wouldn’t be a factor.
The last point you made is the most complicated one imo and it seems, by your explanation, that you actually agree with us that say that and you essentially said what we’re saying lol. It seems like it’s more a getting lost in semantics type of thing. Bruce is still Bruce as in he is a normal guy for the most part that cares about people and wants to do the right thing, but he’s more like Batman in personality than he is the billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne. That part of him is definitely a persona, and I’d say him being Batman to the extreme is also a persona to a degree. When people say that Bruce died in that alley with his parents that night and only Batman was left, it moreso means that Bruce has never been truly the same since then and a part of him died. There’s no doubt that his life would’ve turned out much differently had his parents not been murdered. How his Batman side is, is when he’s not in public he’s more reserved and is all about the mission to the point where it can separate him and push people away. It’s why he doesn’t really have conventional relationships, or at least he does/can up to a certain point. But every other misconception you pointed out is dead on.
Everyone says but batman should start killing but i think what he should actually do is investigate the funds for Arkham's security system cause that money is clearly being embezzled 😂
I would personally include people who say Batman should kill. I feel people who say this fundamentally don’t understand what Batman represents. He’s a dark knight, sure, but he makes himself the beacon of hope that Gotham needs. He and Superman are a lot more alike than people think. They are two sides of the same coin, and so being the ideals and role models that people need is a big part of their character. If people have issues with that, there are other characters to explore, like Punisher, Deathstroke, Wolverine. More morally compromised figures for them to sick their teeth into.
Well the no kill rule does get really annoying People understand why he doesn’t kill but it does get really annoying
6:14 “Bruce Wayne could totally lift Thor’s hammer with enough prep time” That prep time would be his whole career; he’d be worthy of it someday for sure
The reason Batman doesn't use guns is because he needs someone to fight next week. It takes work to write new villains. LOL
I present to you: The Punisher.
@@Paradox-es3blPunisher doesn’t have many reoccurring villians😂
@@_General_Grievous__ Yeah lol if Punisher had recurring villains he would face a serious problem as on one hand it makes logical sense for him to kill off those villains because thats who he is as a character but on the other hand he can not kill off his villains because marvel would need them to come back again and again on and on for decades so that they can sell those comics and earn profits. They would have these 2 contradiction forces and it simply not possible.
The punisher enough said
@@TheUnseenPath The punisher isn't a hero fighting villains from week to week lol.
i agree with all lot of what you said but I disagree with your ending one where you said that bruce isn't the mask me personally I think bruce is a mask but that's my opinion... great video tho well made
I’d agree that he’s more often himself as Batman and that’s more how he thinks of himself, but there are elements of wearing a mask and of being his genuine self as both Batman and Bruce Wayne. For example, if he’s chatting with Alfred around the house, that’s a genuine aspect of him. If he’s showing up to a series of parties with a different super model on his arm at each one, that’s a mask. As Batman, I’d say we see more aspects of who he genuinely is, but he’ll also often put on the mask of being a monstrous creature of the night (especially in his early days when he was more myth than man).
@@darthcarnage12I agree with that statement. His Batman mindset is just who he is, but the “I am Vengeance, I am the Knight” stuff is him putting in a persona. The Rich and arrogant Play Boy is an absolute act, but the philanthropist humanitarian side of him is genuine. At the end of the day Batman is still just young Bruce missing his parents and not wanting to feel alone or not have anyone go through what he went through; Batman Ego perfectly defines that.
@lexofpower2822 I hate the whole Bruce is the mask thing. Bruce is not the mask and I wish thjs thinking would die.
@@zemox2534 well what can I read that disproves that? Also what do you think caused this thinking in the first place?
@@zemox2534 kevin conroy himself said that bruce was the mask soo i mean if batman says so...
Yeah the last point man finally someone said it. I feel like i was going crazy. A broken batman has bruce as the mask like the nolan trilogy and BvS but a mature batman has both balanced like Batman Forever (pheneomenal they managed to make a sequel to keatons killing batman with a faithful one) and BvS Bruce Wayne who actually manages his company before the Man of Steel incident.
Not Batman forever BTAS
@@Galvatronoverbatman forever has him learn by the end. BTAS and The Batman 2004 have him start this way. BUT DCAU Batman by TNBA starts to lose the bruce wayne side and by Beyond, you see it's gone and he's a bitter old man
@@Galvatronovereven BvS has Bruce Wayne be Bruce Wayne and actually care about his employees
About the Bruce Wayne being the mask. Before watching your video, I was at the opinion that Bruce is the mask and Batman is the real him, and after watching your video, you convinced me that his both. But, I initially thought about Bruce being the mask bc I remember watching an interview with Kevin Conroy, and they asked how does he distinguished his voice between Bruce and Batman. And I remember him saying that he always pretended that Batman is his true self and Bruce is just a disguise for the public. After that, I took it as a fact cause the Goat, who is the voice of Batman said so, but now. I do think your point makes more sense, given the fact that you look at the comics as well.
As much as I don't really like the "Batman is who he really is. Bruce Wayne is the mask." it is actually accurate to some versions. I think it's kind of a reductive take on the character... but whatever.
Also, technically Batman's ACTUAL rule is supposed to be "no killing with guns." Not "no killing" and not "no guns." However, I think the reason given in Under The Red Hood that basically explains if Bruce STARTS killing, even Joker... he'll eventually be killing jaywalkers and stuff. Like, Batman ISN'T sane. He has to draw the line before he even starts or he won't stop. And I think that makes him even better as a character. That said, it also allows for his Grapnel Gun and stuff lol.
Thank you!!❤
There're comic runs called Bruce Wayne: Murderer and Batman: Fugitive where Ed brubaker addressed this whole bruce wayne is the mask nonsense and it was stated there that bruce wayne is batman and vice versa😂😂
The thing about prep time is laughable because there are instances when prep time wasn't even enough to defeat said foe case in point when he got his clock cleaned by Darkseid in his hellbat armour.
And the nonsense of his villians are poor/just need money is insane in joker war Joker stole 100 billion from bruce and bro flew a plane into a building and deaths were at an all time high.
As a hugeeeee batman fan I'm glad i saw this. Amazing Video❤
To lift the Mjolnir you just need to be worthy. Now do I think Batman is worthy? Hell no
But here's the thing. Moon Knight could lift the Mjolnir despite being a maniac, why? Because one of his personalities was actually worthy
Now Batman can pull the same trick, he already created a different personality of himself called Batman Zur-en-ah, a completely different persona created as a contingency plan to stop himself, he can literally reboot himself into a new psychological operating system like a computer, he can do the same thing and a creat a new personality that IS worthy of holding the Mjolnir
And there you go
Plus, Thor's hammer become literally a joke in the comics, nearly everyone could wield it which annoys me tbh
The Mjolnir thing did get resolved later.
Your Idea is actually could work but the example you used is wrong Moonknight was able to use because the god he work for is the Egyptian moon god (Khonshu) & the metal (the Uru metal) that Mjolnir is made of is ore from the first moon in existence not because one of his personalities is worthy
correct me if im wrong but Wonder women once had her lasso of truth on batman and asked who he was and Batman said "Im Batman". Batman may actually see himself as batman as it allows him to embrass his inner darkness and pain and even fears. Bruce wayne is definitely a character that he tries to make the most out of when it comes to using his money for good. But he also has that persona so that way no one would even guess that he is Batman. though he is Bruce; Bruce wayne is more of a place holder.. while as Batman it allows him to show off all of his skills and talents such as engineering, intelligence, detective, martial artists, mentor, leader, and justice. Therefore even Bruce truly believes that deep down, he is more of Batman than he is Bruce Wayne.
I thought the no kill rule was silly at times as sometimes this rule allowed most of his villians to take advantage of him. Even though its obvious the writers know that Batman wouldnt have many interesting stories without his villians; still, your explanation for batmans reason to not kill still made a lot lf sense. Batman wants tk be a symbol of justice and hope only in a more darker way. Unlike most heros, Batman may not kill but he can be ruthless and brutal. He'll make a man wish he died. Batman can torcher a man both physically and mentally. However most of Batmans villains are immune to this effect due to their own special abilities that equip them the ability to stand a chance against Batman. But regardless, he literally has a symbol in the sky. So if obvious he does want to represent something that the ppl can look up to and something that evil would fear at the same time. If Batman had no villians he wouldnt be as interesting lets be honest. take marvels the Punisher for example. He kills but nobody gives a rats ass about him. So batmans no kill rule has some reality flaws but for the sake kf comic book fiction and entertainment and meaning.. Batman gets away with it. Therefore Batman is a super hero jusg like spiderman and superman who also dont kill. Batman just has different strategies. Meaning unlike spiderman and superman, Batman has no problem leaving his enemies on 1 HP.
I can also point to Batman Ego a story that says there are 3 personas and not 2. There’s Bruce, Batman, and “The Bat”
I Agree that Batman with prep still has his limits however…he has built tech that can rewrite reality…That is something he can accomplish with prep…
Having Batman being able to develop such tech, IMO, is out of bounds of what should be within the character's domain.
@@mrmacross If it’s a mundane solo story then yeah Batman shouldn’t be capable of making such tech.
But if it’s not specifically meant to be grounded or realistic, then there should be almost no bounds to Bruce’s tech since that’d be contrived.
If the characters in his universe can make ridiculously op tech, then he should be capable of it also.
Imagine this, everyone around Batman making universe wiping bombs, reality altering tech or tech that can wipe the JL, all of which Batman has to deal with, study & combat, and Batman for no reason at all sticks to his steel tools and blades.
It’d not only be contrived but make Batman seem unintelligent relative to the universe he’s in.
At the end of the day, what’s within Batmans ‘domain’ it’s what’s been established as humanly or technologically possible in the Dcu.
Not Irl or any other verse.
@@silver______ I respect the take.
It's something about the Justice League concept I don't really care for. If you're bringing the heroes together, what generally ends up resulting is that guys like Superman, Flash, and Green Lantern have to get nerfed, but Batman has to get elevated to some version of the character that's not particularly compatible with the solo version of the character.
There are other issues, too. The DCAU guys tried to balance the JLA by making Batman the brains and the others could keep most of their brawns... but then they decided sidelining Batman wasn't a lot of fun, so Batman ended up being the brains AND being useful in combat, while the others don't have much smarts to provide.
It doesn't make sense then why doesn't he use it all the time to stop joker and all crime?
@@joshuanyalungu3281 Because that’s not how the machine worked.
Even if it was, which it wasn’t, I find that train of logic to be fallacious. It’s like asking “If we have nukes why not just Nuke all our enemies to stop all the conflicts” it’s called reasonable force.
What is he gonna do?
Re-write their brains?
Turn them to frogs?
Strip them of their free will?
Erase them from reality?
All those options are out of character.
And have been shown to be outside Batmans code of ethics.
6:24 i blame Tower Of Babel for this ridiculous myth. It glossed over the most obvious character flaw of Batman: his PARANOIA.
My interpretation of the whole "Bruce Wayne is a mask" thing is that it isn't referring to how his loved ones see him, but how the general public does. Like you said, the playboy act is the persona of Bruce Wayne that he puts on at public events. But the way he acts out of the public eye, both in and out of costume when he's with his loved ones and allies, that's the real him.
And there are different facets of his true personality that come to the forefront depending on the situation, like you have the caring father, the harsh mentor, the calculating vigilante, etc, all of those are _still_ him. Because he's human and humans are never one-note, we adapt our demeanor and actions based on what's around us.
For the last one, in Batman Beyond, Bruce himself said the voice in his head doesn’t identify him as Bruce but as The Batman
I completely agree with your take on prep time I just was watching and started to think like the hammer idea was dumb but…. Technically with the prep time he could figure out it has a spell on it that makes it so only the worthy can wield it. So he would just take years to become worthy (which he might already be close) so maybe with years of prep time. This being said I’m just running with it as a joke, I still completely agree with prep time being dumb 😂
Thankyou bro! I hate that hottake of bruce not bein a philanthropist and it breaks my heart. Thanks for debunking that.
I don't know which one I hate more,he should kill or prep-time. Batman should never kill and prep time is a tool used by lazy writers.
Bro single-handedly rebuilt Gotham after no mans land can forget he gives all his employees a fair wage while also getting people who need jobs the most jobs
The Thor's hammer is actually a interesting example because you need to be worthy what does that entail he could figure it out and change himself but at the same its counter to his character he is not Thor's and he does seek to be worthy he has he's own goals that run contrary to being worthy it's no who he is but the thing with prep is that batman already the prep ready he not making new plans he already made them for most DC the real thing is equipment can he order a air drop then suit for the fight and lurk in the shadows while he waits can he pick his suit or is just he's base suit because we all batman can beat super man but not with his base suit not enough kryptonite and everything else he might need and don't lie to me that he just a normal guy or peak human he's beyond that he fights superhumans and is characterized as a meta human by the US government and accomplish feats impossible to even most superhumans. good video
And when did the U.S. government declare that ? What do they think his powers are ?
How is being worthy counter to his character? You're not making any sense.
i agree with all that u just said. but my biggest problem with batman is that he feels overuseed. its like dc forgot the other characters exist and be like "oh batsy we are gonna milk you for more cash now!"
I agree with pretty much everything in the video however, in the nightmare sequence from Batman v Superman and from Zack Snyder's Justice League, I can only assume that given the climate of the world in that Universe around that time when Darkseid is taking over Earth that he'd have to resort to Heavy Artillery. I considered Zack Snyder's dceu more of an elseworlds tail than anything so Affleck's Batman never bothered me that much and honestly is probably my favorite take on the character in live-action. To make the long story short if the story calls for Batman to fall deep down that hole of giving up his morals only to emerge from that whole once again as the Batman we all know, I don't have an issue with that. As long as it's only a short-term phase. And I've been a huge Batman fan since I was five so nobody needs to question my fandom. As far as all of the Batman actors ever, Kevin Conroy is the goat rip
To quote Red from Trope Talk, "Being a Loner isn't about being alone. It's about FEELING alone."
The "prep time" thing is a fun, in character, argument to be had when comparing certain scenarios... It just gets overused and ovehyped.
Im glad you called out that preptime nonsense. Biggest pile of BS ive ever heard
An arc addressing the "Batman beats up poor people" would be a great arc to bring back a cool Killer Moth.
You introduce Batman at an early stage when he is genuinely the emotionally stunted rich guy who beats up desperate people because he hasn't learned to differentiate the desperate from the depraved, then you have this behavior create Killer Moth to fight back against Batman's brutality. A guy who turns Batman's tactics and gadgets against him and confounds Batman with the ingenuity of prey animals. Decoys, mimicry, camouflage, etc.
Killer Moth isn't a Batman that protects Supervillains, he's a Batman who protects the people who Gotham forces to choose between getting beaten by Batman and the police or getting murdered by the Supervillains and crime bosses.
This discovery and regret for his behavior leads Batman to reinvest his efforts from just vengeance, to really trying to fix the system.
Killer Moth and his kind remain villains though, showing Bruce Wayne's projects aren't reaching the people they are meant to, this leads to Batman diving deeper into his detective side and discovering things like the Court Of Owls, etc, until in later arcs we might even see Killer Moth become Batman's informant and ally
I don’t think Batman is able to do everything with prep time, but I do think he’ll still come up with insane plans for insane situations that he’ll commit to 100% if he thinks the moment calls for it.
And I think that’s sorta funny.
Great video really enjoyed it
Another thing that i personally dislike is the idea of contengency plans, because it goes against one of batmans main characteristics. Batman is an optimist, thats another reason why he doesn't kill and tries over and over again to help people like the joker. If he has contingency plans it implied that he is a pessimist and always looks at the bad side of things. But thats just my opinion.
Batman is an optimist but he also doesn’t fully trust anyone and is super careful. And he’s always thinking many steps ahead because he’s a master strategist and planner who thinks with his brain and not emotions (as he gets more experienced, at least). The contingency plans make plenty of sense and is in line with his character.
@@akilbrazier1421 nah Tower of Babel ruined Batman for years. The whole point was that Batman shouldn’t be a paranoid weirdo not that he’s an unstoppable badass….
@@dc7981 I don’t think it did. It just showed that he doesn’t blindly trust people and that he’s a master planner. Somebody has to have those kind of contingency plans and who better than the one guy on the team without any powers? Not to mention you can interpret it as a character flaw. Batman ain’t perfect, and perfect characters are boring.
Here is a quote for the two points that I will make which should only make the first two justifiable: Here is a quote that people should remember “Mercy for an enemy should not come at the cost of their victims.” Especially in the case of those who do not want to change. People get criticized in real life for these kind of things for letting people live that would lead to more tragedy later. In any case, Batman can have his “No Kill Rule”, that is not going to stop people from calling him out on it, either that or they just don’t care and want to enjoy the story for what it is, even like bringing Joker back to life who would go back to being insane and would commit more terrible crimes. If you don’t want that, don’t make tensions like that would lead to any deaths in my opinion. That doesn’t stop his other iterations even after 1939 from killing as well, Movies, cartoons, comics, etc, just because they kill people do not take issue with that because they watch it for Batman anyway, even Reeves did kill, it is 1 for 1 scenario, either he kills or he doesn’t, and it is up to you to watch/read/play it or not, and just because they brought it up doesn’t justify it for someone else or does depending on taste, it just means people don’t care since it is clear they don’t focus on it compared to the rest of the story from what I have come to see and believe.
As for the being a poor people, those poor people are usually driven usually by desperation because just like in Batman begins that version has people driven by poverty and fear. Not saying that he doesn’t use his wealth to better the people of Gotham, how about bettering the correctional facilities like prisons or jails for those who are the result of said broken system or just doesn’t have remorse and straight up monsters, improve their security, improve the rehabilitation programs to make the Rogues Gallery not want to be psychotic killers. He literally has contingency plans to take down certain people, why not take contingencies to make them better people? That way crime would likely go down. The problem here is not just from within via corruption, but without too (criminals). And that would just clearly show the people that don’t want to be fixed and just willing to be the monsters that they are, it is justifiable for people in their universe to ask for the death sentence for those who don’t want to change despite given the Wayne’s help.
I agree with You on all the stuff you said except the prep time part.
In my subjective opinion, batman could do anything Cuz he's the mfcking batman.
Its fairly often stated in comics through off-handed remarks that he does above the table charity work and investments into city infrastructure. And whenever the comics decide to emphasize on them more than a few lines, any comic reader would immediately clock it as being hijacked by a villain.
Batman not killing is silly
Somebody show this video to Zack Snyder and tell him, "This, amongst many other reasons is why you failed!!!"
Batman is like.. The Main personality, but Bruce Wayne is kind of a mood change thing. Whenever Batman is going through it Bruce Wayne deteriorates.. And as Batman does well, so does Bruce Wayne! They are of course one in the same, and he knows it. Though Batman Forever is not a good movie I love the quote " I am both Batman and Bruce Wayne, not because I have to be. But because I choose to be. "
The statement of “Batman beats poor people” obviously came from the Joker movie. I think a lot of people misinterpreted that film and immediately used it as fuel to hate on Batman.
First things first. Batman can do a lot of things with prep time. He can defeat/outsmart various Villans with prep time. He is a ninja after all. But that doesn't mean he's a universal threat and capable of doing things like lifting Thor's hammer which is said to only lift when the wilder is worthy. No amount of prep time can make someone be worthy for anything. Batman's prep time is in the welm of reality. Making plans and contingency plans when things goes off the rails or something unexpected happens. Yes he can do incredible things with prep time like any other ninja would. But to beat a god like being? Or even be worthy to lift Thor's hammer that's most likely not going to happen. He can get their respect and find whatever weakness he or the league can exploit but to beat clean one on one? No. Secondly it was said in multiple situations both in cartoons and possibly the comics (Because they came first) that Bruce calls himself Batman unless he is Bruce Wayne talking to a civilian. For example in Batman beyond Batman was able keep himself from being mind controled because the person in question called him Bruce. Bruce calls himself Batman. Not only that when Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman first met and all had the lasso of truth on them. Wonder Woman and Superman told their real names. Bruce said Batman. And I'm sure there's probably more examples then just these 2. Dislike it all you want. Batman is his true self and Bruce is his mask.
I'm going to push back on the whole "Batman is his true persona" point. If you think about it, we rarely ever see Bruce Wayne. Just because he's not in costume doesn't mean he isn't Batman. If he's sitting down doing Batman work in his jammies, he's still Batman. Bruce Wayne is the persona he puts on when he has to interact with the public. It's a false face meant to distance himself from Batman as much as he can. If Bruce is eating lunch in his kitchen but still talking about a Batman related topic, he's Batman. The persona permeates his entire private life and who he truly is. The only time we see Bruce Wayne is when he's in public, and then he's trying to convince people he's just another good-hearted gojillionair.
The animated series and Batman Beyond are the ones that really play into the whole "Batman is the persona, Bruce Wayne is the mask" sort of thing, which is perhaps why people make that argument 🤔.
Also, I love how the same people who often say that "Superman is boring because he's too powerful" are the same people who overly praise Batman for going toe to toe with gods or falling from the moon, and how he can do these things because of his rigid preparedness for everything 🤨.
Batman couldnt lift thors hammer for the swme reason spider-man cant. Unwillingness to kill.
Batman's only problem is that he's not a Marvel character, which is why he gets so much hate.
The mcu would have ruined him tho
People who say batman should kill joker or any other villain dont understand comics. The same thing can be applied to any comic book character with the amount of reappearances they have. You read comics long enough you’ll learn its all bs like an insanely long soap opera thats been going on for 70+ years. Thats why you should just create your own canon using different “canon” stories in your head that makes sense to you
I agree with what you say about the Bruce Wayne is the mask and Batman is who he really is cus that’s not entirely true he is Bruce Wayne but he’s also Batman and there are times when one or the other is more dominant or in charge but it’s still more complicated than that that’s just the surface level I can put it it’s hard for me to explain so I’m going to keep it at that but ya I agree with you And I thank you cus I feel I see the Bruce is the mask logic so much and it hurts cus that’s not entirely true at least in my opinion
I've always thought people use the "prep time" comment as a joke, I honestly don't know know anyone who says such a thing and takes it seriously.
It will maybe a little out of context and crazy, but i hate writers turning Batman into an abusive, neglectful asshole and he's being painted as a dishonorable, scumbag,loser and asshole who is abusive,neglectful and who deserves the worst,nothing,to be miserable all the time,is someone who messes up everything (particularly in romantic relationships),who’s the worst at everything he does and who has no quality other than being a rich white man while Catwoman is everything perfect (imo it's the opposite, she’s shit btw) and he's getting degraged (imo) for the sake of making Catwoman look superior Mary Sue girlboss icon fantasy (particularly in Tumblr) (Come on people there are better girlbosses than Catwoman 😒😒) or villain (particularly Joker) glorification.
Granted, i'm not saying Batman is %100 perfect, but i think he's not as a horrible man as some paint him to be.
I also saw in tumblr "Batman beats mentally ill people"
I have nothing agaisnt mentally ill people and may God give them peace, oportunity to get treatment and good qualified life as soon as possible and i'm not denying Batman has mentally ill enemies.
But we also should remember that Batman's villains aren't innocent people either.
Like Harley, for example, she participated in nuking of Metropolis in Injustice or actively tortured my boy Jason just because she's salty that Joker took a like on the poor boy and literally massacred a kindergarten full of children in Arkham Games.
Batman in my opinion shouldnt need prep time for thors hammer the things he knows his villains have done seen had done to him n hasn't snapped there necks he's worthy. And he can use a green n yellow lantern ring so isn't that similar
Another common misconseption is that batman is vengance, no he is not, he HAS vengance maybe year one or two sure but eventually he matures and turns to justice, as is his core charecter development, because without it he relizes if he stays in vengance without moving past that into justice, his motivations are no better that his villans.
Here’s a list of who can beat prep time batman, from Marvel!
Thor
Hulk
Sentry
Hyperion
Blue marvel
Spider-Man
Wolverine
Deadpool
Gambit
Rogue
Professor X
Jean Grey
Dr Strange
Thanos
Dr Doom
Ultron
Carnage
Anti Venom
Venom
Toxin
Riot
Loki
Shang Chi
Captain America is 50/50 with prep, cap stomps without it, same with Winter Soldier
Iron Man is 50/50 as both have crazy prep
6:30 cmon you can tell they just bullshitting🤣🤣
6:53 ngl arris from variant comics was kinda biased and stupid on that take because while batman could hold Mjölnir, it’s not prep time that could make him hold it but his character what makes him tick is what will make him worthy if Mjölnir deems him because he has the qualities he’s just a man in the end
I dont like the "Bruce is the fake identity, Batman is the real one" concept either for the way its prtrayed, but i do on some level see a good character point there. Bruce Wayne is indeed still the authentic person, but psychologists have taken a look at how the anonymity of Batman allows Bruce to act on his less thab socially acceptable emotions, such as rage, that he cant as bruce wayne. I think in that way, Batman can sometimes be the true identity.
for me worst opinion is batfamily should not exist and batman should be lonner forever
Agreed
Superheroes beating up poor people is a misconception started by the comic books themselves, comic books like The Authority under writers like Mark Millar. He wasn't the first, The Authority wasn't the first, but that's the standout example to me because it was published by DC Comics themselves. When a company doesn't even know they're own material they're beyond my help. Sadly, DC is the origin of and retains the rights to a few properties I actually care about, so they'll likely never be off my radar entirely.
I hate the “Bruce Wayne is the mask and Batman is his true self” misconception the most and it’s annoyingly spread everywhere, it diminishes his character and makes him even worst since ultimately he’s the same in and out of the suit. It’s like Grayson, around his friends and family he’s not that dark but around crime aka when he’s prowling around as the Batman he’s stone cold and serious. It makes him seem broken, and Batman being always broken makes him less great to me. He’s Bruce Wayne and Batman like Kal El is Superman and Clark Kent or Dick Grayson is both Nightwing, the first Robin and the last Flying Grayson. No matter what name or suit they’re using they’re still themselves, they’re not Two-face. If anything, Bruce Wayne is his true nature and Batman is still the mask made the night he lost his parents.
People just want some kinda poetic and deep sounding thing but what the comics show, isn’t that…
Well no batman/Bruce Wayne no matter which one you think is a mask he is a shit human sometimes like he barely parents his kids and spends all of his time in a cave not wanting to do anything but beat up people
It’s more that Bruce Wayne is more himself when he’s Batman the version of Bruce he shows to the world is a bit exaggerated save for his close friends and confidants
I have to disagree, especially with the use of Dick as your example, because that’s the point. Dick is everything you layer out, and it’s why he’s better than Bruce.
It’s most npc surface level shit imaginable
You can blame the DCAU for that.
Imagine thinking Batman has had to go it alone when the moment Bruce lost his mother and father he had Alfred who loved and raised him.
Bruce wayne not being a real person really isnt wrong especially in more recent years.
Theres truth in some of the misconceptions. Because they are built up on some accurate information.
Arkham batman is definaitly a loner and bruce in batman beyond doesnt think of himself as bruce wayne
It’s a super surface level look at the character. People think they are smart when they say it 😂
Prep time doesn't exist, you never here him go, give me two weeks, and ill fight Bane. He has a bunch of random plans he adapts to his needs. If Batman is actively prepping for you, you're done.
This man really loves Batman & it's great to hear it
Here’s my somewhat stupid and wild take. I think scarecrow should become a yellow lantern.
I would like it if scarecrow was genuinely thankful for the opportunity of becoming a yellow lantern and Sinestro doesn’t trust him, but he’s aware of how useful having scarecrow’s fear toxin would be, how scarecrow seems genuinely loyal and dedicated to his cost and he also knows that he’s an earth scientist who can barely do shit and has only been a lantern for like maybe a day and sees him as no threat and Sinestro‘s been a lantern way longer before he had his own core. And the DC heroes find out and treat it as an omega level threat
He has been a yellow lantern before... But no he shouldn't be. Because you take him out of his waters. Some characters do not work in other heroes mythology. Do what you said and you ruin the aesthetic and attitude of classic scarecrow stories. In one word you ruin the image of the character. Just like two face and penguin would make terrible superman villains... scarecrow naturally wouldn't fit in a sci fi space framework. I get it, it was cool for one time (blackest night) but it shouldn't be anything more.
@@jhngrg8132 he’s a scientist who wants to study fear. wouldn’t he be interested in doing that with other alien life? spreading his name across the cosmos. becoming fear itself. hell he can even work with alien technology or other alien scientist, and try to work on an even better fear, toxin and the yellow ring would make him so OP. him and the yellow core can come back to earth and start kicking some ass. How many stories can we tell about him dicking around in Gotham getting his teeth kicked in by Batman? let’s try to take him up to some higher places.
@@sammysamiam5219No it won't be cool. It would be far fetched. if you're about to ruin it don't change it. Plus there are a lot of batman villains that, at the end of the day, have only one story. They are in their core "one shot" villains (mr freeze, man bat, anarky, ratcatcher). Whenever thay appear is the same thing, the same story. But 1) scarecrow isn't one of them and 2) i don't want them to change. They are fine the way they are. I don't want, for example, mr freeze getting magical abilities and casting spells on his wife to bring her back or casting spells against batman. It is lame because magic doesn't belong in batman. Simple. Magic works for shazam, space works for gl, greek mythology works for ww and crazy people with weird costumes who rob banks works for batman. End of discussion.
@@jhngrg8132 hell man, I don’t know I think it’s just a waste of potential I mean, wasn’t poison ivy just a crazy environmental plant scientist and then years later she became part of the green and got reincarnated? wasn’t manbat just a mad scientist who turned himself into a giant bat, then became part of a global superhero, super villain American conspiracy theory, who then later on joined wonder woman and detective chimp and became part of Justice league dark? I don’t think it’s a far stretch to take a guy like scarecrow based entirely around fear and give him a new power set centered around fear and maybe put him in a new setting
@@jhngrg8132 also didn’t deathstrokes start off just as a Teen Titans villain, and then moved on to Green arrow and then moved on to Batman? Didn’t King shark start as a Superboy villain and then moved onto the flash and then moved onto fighting Batman more than just a couple of times? I don’t see the danger in putting scarecrow up against someone else for a change. just give us some more fun opportunities. He could play off hal, John, guy, Kyle, or any other lantern or space themed character.
Batman talking about himself: “He is only human.”
Batman Powerscalers: “And that is why Batman can absolutely solo dragon ball with a week of prep time-“
3:55 Remind me the title of that movie
I think the best way the best way to prove misconception “Batman only beats up poor people and doesn't use his financial status in Gotham to better help the people” would be to show some ex-criminal that has been rehabilited by the project of Bruce Wayne or was motived by the fear of Batman to stay a honest citizen and received help to stay that way thanks to Wayne charity.
Anyone read the issue where he survived re entry from freaking space? Lol
If that was Ironman or the punisher you would like it😂
One opinion I hate on Batman is him using high-tech armors strips him away of his relatable human abilities to adapt and makes him more like Iron Man than an actual Batman.
The thing is, he's a superhero with no superpowers who lives in a world where a huge portion of the villains he and his friends must face are literal gods or at the very least beings that can be compared to gods when it comes to how powerful they are. He may be the most skilled martial artist and detective on Earth, but he's still a normal human being at the end of the day. Thus, when it comes to dealing with individuals that can shatter planets with a single punch, to say that Batman gets stomped by them would be a huge understatement. And as a superhero tasked with protecting the entire world and beyond, he must find a way to make up for this stomp against him. Plus, even when putting the using high-tech armors thing aside, I think Batman and Iron Man have enough similarities to make the comparison between them work.
Also, 8:38 why does it feel so heartwarmingly wholesome to me?
I feel like with the last point we’re all just getting lost in semantics, because you actually agree with the people that have the whole “bruce is the mask” take. I think it comes down to what we want to identify as when he is Bruce and when he is Batman, separate from when he’s wearing the mask. Is he Batman when he’s interrogating a thug upside down or when he’s have a rooftop conversation with Dick. Is he Bruce when he’s helping Damien at the manor or when he’s putting on a show at a gala? I think the point is that there are different personas, unrelated to when he’s wearing the costume, in contrast to Clark and Diana who are practically the same characters in and out of costume (insert famous lasso image here)
You should make a video about worst opinions on wonderwoman.
I'm a huge wonder woman fan. Read 50 years worth of her comics. And one of the opinions I heard of her is that she's a feminist. In a comic herself said that she isn't and that she's a humanist.
3:54 what's this clip from? (I'm asking because I love Brave and the Bold)
The first point is stupid to anybody who knows even the basics of politics that simply throwing money at a problem is not enough to fix it
Batman not killing people by itself isn't the problem, it's the fact the world doesn't react like it should. If people like Joker and Scarecrow are so dangerous and have proven time and time again they won't change, have the authorities put'em in the chair or why doesn't the mob hire people on the inside and make sure these Batman villains "Commit suicide" since I seriously doubt the mob that controls everything would want a bunch of lunatics causing mayhem everywhere as that would be bad for business. Same issue I have with Court of Owls, that idea by itself is fine but it's all just a thinly veiled excuse to keep the status quo going
I've got nothing to add to the loner thing. I would prefer people write the loner thing less as it does make him come of as incredibly angsty (and not in a cool way)
The prep time thing again is just silly to the point that it's a meme now. The problem with this is that in order for Batman to be able to defeat anyone with prep time, everyone has to be an idiot. Like what's to stop someone just as smart or even smarter than Batman from doing the same thing
I also don't like the idea of Bruce Wayne being the mask and Batman is the real person as that kinda misses the point (doesn't help that some Batman writers and producers have said that), Bruce Wayne is why Batman exist in the first place. He's not The Punisher, Frank Castle was already screwed up and was waiting for an excuse to happen so he could go on killing people and the death of his family was exactly that now if Batman was written more like that then that idea would make alot more sense.
It's funny how people fail to understand the whole point of the prep time and contingencies with Batman. It's a fundamental character trait of his that Bruce is literally paranoid of every single situation possible always thinking of the worst situations. It's not even about him being able to beat everyone and always winning which is what some people seem to think it's about
Tower of Babel ruined a decade plus of Batman comics. No one actually understands the point of the story
Batman only kills, uses guns
In a else world
In a story that has a arch
And a ending.
Main canon 85 years
He can’t kill
It affects the MONEY
bro really said 🙄🙄
“the Batman could lift Thor’s hammer”
STOP the CAP 🚫🧢
The thing about the "prep time" deal is it kinda just waves away any real argument or attempt at imagination. Kinda like a lot of "who would win in a fight" there's not really a story in pointing out that superman is invincible and could lobotomize Bruce with his laser vision a mile away. The story comes from in how you get there and how the two could believably conflict with each other. Batman preps for Superman specifically cause there are factors in the DC universe where superman could be compromised, same with the rest of the justice league, which is outlined in the Babel story. and the whole point of THAT story was batman's paranoid preparation being used against him and his friends. It's not and has never been a Do Anything gimmick cause that leads for shitty stories, and evidently, shitty tiktok videos.
you had me except for the last one
It’s super basic tho
It’s kind of shocking how little people know of Batman and why he does the things he does.
The funny thing with the Mjolnir argument is that I actually think Bruce would be Worthy if he let himself accept that he is. Dick DEFINITELY is
I think when people say he beats up poor people, theyre refering to the common criminals he punches every tuesday. Not Poison Ivy and the Joker
Another reason why so many people spout the "batman beats up on poor people" rhetoric is because of the whole "eat the rich" rhetoric, either that of their trust fund babies themselves who have self-hartred because they see someone like Bruce Wayne helping people with his money and they get pissy, because they know they will never do the same with their money due to them being selfish and entitled
Batman will never be able to lift thor's hammer because of his no kill rule. Main reason why spidey cant lift is because he is afraid of killing same will be for batman
But in many comics and shows, it's been shown that HE IS THE BATMAN and he just acts like Bruce Wayne as a necessity and to remain concealed in Gotham politics and economics.