I'm honestly glad cause they'll either show up doing very little with no development like a background character or be a last minute introduction like Batgirl only to get brutally torn apart by the paradoom
@@SapphireKnight675 I maybe stupid but is death in the family linked to the killing joke? cuz in one of the options it showed jason going to Barbara in a wheelchair and the art style is similar to the killing joke animated film
@@amon__7187 Fax bro that was my main issue with the DCAMU there be a bunch of characters that randomly show up barley doing anything even at the end they show up only for them to do jack in the next film other than horrifically die to paradooms
The only reason Damian is hated is because every time someone tries to give him character development and make him more than the "Selfish Bat-Brat blood son", they undo it and revert him to an annoyance which is terrible to see because I genuinely like Damian in certain continuities.
No titans and choosing the wrong call the only time he has anything good it’s tied to a so so writer who thinks he has not crossed the lines kill him already
You people only like Damian when he's neutered & turned into an agreeable sidekick like the other dorks that were made into Robins. Confidence is too much for y'all to handle lol, he's either gotta be some traumatized crybaby like Todd or boyscouts like Tim & Grayson. "Character Development" in the modern age is really just removing any traits from a character that might cause conflict with others in the cast. Ever notice how it's only ever the prideful, selfish & confident characters that need "development" to be well-written?
@@huntertezz Injustice 2 in-game is a great example of this. In the prequel comics, it was shown that Damien that went through significant character development, from showing lots of remorse for killing Dick, to outright rebelling against Ra’s Al Ghul and thwarting his plans. Then in Injustice 2 we says he was the perfect son and shows pride in his Al Ghul heritage.
@@donovanlarsen7982 Yeah that would be the difference between comic writers and game writers. Also the one who wrote Injustice admitted he hated Damian. But then he read some of Damian's stories and grew to like him.
People forget how Damian grew up, he grew up comfortable with killing his own allies and because of his mother at a young age made Damian feel like he has to be perfect to recieve love, and as for robin as Batman’s sons he felt as he had to be more perfect than any other robin in all aspects and wanted his father to see that. Everyone knows how skillful Damian is espically for his age but he’s never felt real love and he’s only 10 people seem to forget that
It's really hard to look past the surface given Damian's personality. His mother and his grandfather are mainly at fault for that. Talia gave Damian to Bruce as a means to give him hell. Damian is doing exactly what Talia wants him to do.
I wonder if the dislike is partially people not having the chance to read his initial comic run with Dick and how it's basically been retconned in other media. It does his character a huge disservice to remove that and not show how damaged he was at the start, and how much he was eventually able to open up thanks to Dick, the same way Bruce was. It personified him as that vulnerable, traumatized part of Bruce who didn't have a chance for a normal life.
@@huntertezz not saying Damian sidelined them. Saying how in adaptation or any media recently not a lot members of the Bat family get a lot of screen time aside from Batman, Dick, Barbara, and Damian. The Batfamily web comics gave them more love then recent DC animation. Here’s a comparison Damian been in like 10 movies and like 4 shows starting from 2014. Tim since the late 90s was in 3 shows, 1 movie, 3 days games with two with barely any playtime and killed off in one game
And according to James Gunn Damian getting a live action movie adaptation before Jason (That hint from Batman v Superman doesn’t count it went nowhere) or Tim. Heck they did Cassandra Cain dirty in Birds of Prey. She supposed to be the daughter of two world class assassins one being one of Batman teachers and nope she just there because she stupidly ate something and needs to pop it out or get cut up by BlackMask
The best part of Damian is that he was raised by murderers and is in direct contrast with the Bat Code. This goes on to legitimize the No Kill Rule once Damien completes his arc. The fact that we’re allowed to hate him at the start is an interesting take on a Robin. Cool video, this is the most worthwhile channel I’ve subscribed to in awhile.
His not raised by simple murderers... He was raised by the League of Assasins... one would think he would be hyper-aware of some form of decorum being from an ancient elite group that has ties in different countries. Unless the League really is that shitty of an organization that all it's leaders are just blood thirsty and crass it's a wonder that they ever had any allies or that so little of it's members turn on the group.
@TheUnseenPath initially, yes but over the years Damien has grown into a very different charicter and has good chemistry with members of the batfamily
Debut Damian was a beast; confident, no-nonsense, aggressive & belittling of others. Skill to back up the talk too. If they neutered him & made Damian agreeable to make him more relatable to the average reader then his character is officially botched. The entire point of Damian is to be someone who would grow to outperform every other Robin, yet he could never fully *BE* Robin because his character is the polar opposite of the Golden Boy archetype.
What I like about Damian is that he actually feels like a different Robin. I really liked him in Justice League Vs Teen Titans Easily one of the best movies in this universe
We've only seen Tim Drake animated twice in Shows. That being Young Justice and Batman TAS/Batman Beyond. No I'm not counting Death in the Family, or whatever meme that Teen Titans Go! made about him
No Damian didn't become redundant because of Damian. Obviously she should be the main Batgirl. Dc just needs to stop regressing Barbara and let her be Oracle.
That's why they have Damien Kill off Tim in every iteration I seen where Damien is taking over the mantle of Robin, and like if they are going for having Damien being hated for it cool but like if it's just to open the spot and 'legitimize' Batman's bo kill rule, I like the story having him heal from being raised by killers but in classic Batman story telling style one step forward 10 steps back to climb back to that point
He was the only Bat family member allowed to have any serious character development. Batman had to learn to love him, Nightwing had to learn to lose his uniqueness and be Damian's target practice, and Batwoman, Batwing and Batgirl existed without really doing anything.
I dont hate Damian, but I really dislike that hes the first Robin we'll see in the upcoming DCU and not Dick. At least well get to see Dick immediately as Nightwing, but idk its very important that we see him in his time as Robin first IMO
Yes, but Dick's role in the family can still be established without him being Robin. That was the point of him being Damian's Batman, that he was able to save Damian the same way he saved Bruce.
In Damian's first appearance there's a huge theme in Tim feeling immediately threatened and jealous of him.Fast forward to now and Damian as a character has completely supplanted Tim.Talk about meta-irony.
@@hordakprime6172 Bro you are so right. These aren't even really fanboys. In general there what I call happylords. They don't like to see masculine, strong characters like Damien. And there mad cause Tim is a boring nice guy copy and paste pushover. Damien and Jason are way better.
Damian and Cass are NOT the same. Cass was just a weapon, an object, she was just taught to kill and fight, and was left traumatized the first moment she did so and ran away. Damian was bathed as a baby in the blood of an innocent woman's dead body, was beaten to half-death and healed in the Lazarus pit multiple times, trained in all sorts of Arts, Science and History besides teaching him how to kill, and he has killed a LOT of people, much more than Cass could ever endure. One was supposed to be the ultimate weapon and the other one was supposed to be the ultimate warrior.
@@betterlatethannever4529 Because:1They are siblings(Yes Cass is adopted that doesn't mean they aren't siblings)2Cass is depending on the version is either same age as Tim and Steph or a year older then Jason Todd.
I love all the Robins, but Damian is just the most intriguing to me personally, he isn't my favorite character, but his potential is what draws me in. He's awful at first, but that's kind of the point of him, he's supposed to be a new issue for the family to figure out how to adapt to. I understand not liking him, but frankly, people hate wayyy too much on his character, especially because his first introduction has him being terrible to everyone, and people can't seem to move past it. But just try and imagine you're this 10yr old child who has been raised to kill and claim your "birthrights" since birth, like you were literally are created and groomed for these purposes! And then your mom abandons you in a different country with a father who doesn't know you existed who you thought would want you immediately, and brothers you've been raised to believe are below you and less than you because of your blood relations, and none of these people act like how you were expecting them to. And you're now stuck in a situation with basically strangers who hate you and your existence and don't understand or believe in any of what you've been taught your entire life until then. And there's probably more stuff I'm forgetting honestly. I genuinely cannot imagine how I, as a 10 YEAR OLD CHILD raised to slaughter people, would deal with any of that. I'd probably be worse or more likely died immediately, at least Damian usually grows from the views and lifestyle he was GROOMED into, and becomes a better person(at least when the person writing him doesn't hate his character anyway). He's a little kid at the start, and just left a death cult for the first time in his life, give the boy a break. If anything, you should be despising Talia's character for rasing him like this in the first place, or in other versions, violating Bruce to create him. But blaming Damian's character for acting like a brat, who was raised explicitly to be a brat, makes so little sense. Either way, I love all of the bat family, I have my favorites obviously, but I'm glad all of their characters were created because they all add something fun to the dynamic. Hating on one character for specific writing someone did is just wasting your energy. "Canon" isn't real at this point, so you might as well just pick you're favorite bits and ignore what you don't like, because getting mad at it doesn't do anything but fuel anger that won't do anything. And btw, I do not hate people who dislike Damian, that's not what my comment is meant for, so please do not think I'm upset at people for their personal opinion. I'm just frustrated I find more hate on his character than anything more interesting when I'm looking up stuff about Damian's character, tbh. Enjoying these characters is supposed to be fun and a break from sad and boring reality, let it be fun for yourself!
So true actually, and I've always thought how ppl can expect a kid raised in a VERY toxic way since his birth to act all normal and friendly, besides that I truly can't imagine the process of adaptation for Damian. If you think about it, his life got turned upside down by his mother when she gave him to Bruce. He could kill before, nope, not anymore, he had to train no matter what, he had to get the tasks done even if he died in the process before, but guess what, not anymore. And the whole mindset of the people around you changes. It's just too much
@@Mica-208exactly Damian was raised to be a killer and to receive birthrights that’s what he was born to do so it explains his attitude in the beginning. He had no childhood experience like dick he was killing and alway had to fight for his right to know about his father and against his own mother, he had no loving family like at all. I always loved Damian regardless he was always awesome especially his potential as he started to change and become more human with friends and family and this is all while he was 10 years old he was killing probably before he could talk talia would’ve made sure of it.
@@OzEtlar Nah, although I do remember maining Lobo when I played the first game years ago. When it comes to fighting games I'm more in Darkstalkers and KI.
I forgot Tim was in Injustice and when I remembered and he even talks to Bruce about getting Batman and Robin back to together he dies like Tim cant catch a break.
@@nataliawashington872 Bulma is nothing like Raven because she's actually competent and resourceful, while Dcamu Raven feels intentionally made less competent so that Damian can have some relevancy by pushing her around to do things. Bulma also has a character outside of Vegeta, while Dcamu Raven's whole character basically became Damian-Kun by the last movie and her role there was basically to make his arc come full circle.
The thing about Damian Wayne (to me, anyway!) Is that his character only really works when the other major Robins were there first. Dick, in particular, is extremely important to Damian's characterization, because it's not Bruce who managed to get through to him and encourage Damian to be kind, it was DICK! Dick is essential to Damian's character growth because he is the driving force behind Damian _choosing_ to be good. Because Dick was angry and vengeful once, but then he found himself a support system (outside of Bruce's largely unhelpful ass. love the guy but he's like a solid C parent, and was like a D during Dick's tenure) and grew into someone who chooses to be kind. He's helpful, empathetic, friendly and passionate, both in and out of the mask. Dick's unwavering belief in Damian, and his leading by example, is what finally got Damian's head out of his ass. Damian started to become a true hero because he wanted to do right by Dick. Furthermore, was Dick who softened Batman to a point where he could take on the other Robins; I don't think Damian would have wanted to be Robin to the Batman before Dick. Jason is important because he is the cautionary tale. Jason is a reflection of what Damian could be - angry, violent and vengeful... or dead. It's easier to sympathize with Damian because we have seen what anger has done to Jason. It makes sense why Bruce is so determined to keep this kid on the right path, even beyond his strong morals, because he has already lost a child to their own anger. To me, Jason is what makes Bruce's dogged faith in Damian more believable, and their relationship so much more meaningful, because Bruce has seen Jason crawl his way back into something resembling heroism, even after everything - so too could Damian. Tim is the point of contrast. Tim is what Robin should be, the ideals and moral code that Damian lacks. Their conflict, mainly that Damian believes himself to be more worthy of the Robin mantle and thinks very little of Tim, is a driving force of Damian's character as he goes out of his way to one up Tim at every opportunity. And that he's forced to face the fact that he is *wrong* and Tim is/was the superior Robin in all the ways that truly matter is a very juicy internal conflict and turning point for Damian. Furthermore, going from a friendly, bubbly robin with some shithead tendencies and a strong moral code straight to a spoilt, haughty brat who struggles with not killing just isn't nearly as interesting as watching the progression of Robins beforehand. Plus, it robs Dick of some really important characterization regarding the other two robins - Jason's replacement of him as Robin and subsequent death are two very important turning points in his character, and his experience with Tim is what allows him to handle Damian in the first place. Also Damian and Stephanie have a really fun dynamic, I like when they're together. She's not really foundational to his character but I wanted to mention her because I think she's neat. Also him and Cass are great together! If he's going to be with any Bat other than Bruce going forward, I think she's a great choice. I've seen the idea of him becoming Nightwing's sidekick rolling around, and I'm not completely against it, but I would really like to see him and Cass together.
Yes, thank you! His entire character was written specifically for the scenario of Dick being his Batman, and him needing Dick's warmth to overcome his own darkness. Just like Bruce did! The idea of Bruce being able to heal this damaged child is absurd. It does such a disservice to Damian as a character, and Dick's entire purpose in Bruce's life, ffs. Awful decision by the writers here.
Damien being Gunns favorite Robins scares me tbh. I’ve been waiting for a Titans film series for a long time (Nightwing solo as well) and I feel like he’s gonna try to make Damien some sort of successor that he never really is in the comics
I'm not going to lie: I was a Tim stan. Dare I say, Tim Drake is the Wally West of Robins: Gave fans a majority of the things they like about the character (lore, personality, costume, etc.) but every future and past person who has the mantle afterwards keep borrowing from them to the point the audience doesn't remember where the origin point was. Great example: Jason died in the Robin suit with the short-shorts and little boots. When Time officially became Robin, he was the first Robin to have darker colors, his own arsenal, and of course, pants. Jason dying in the old Robin costume also symbolized the death of what Robin used to be. Future adaptations and reboots, however, retconned all the earlier Robins having costumes similar to Tim's, lessening the importance of Tim taking up the mantle.
I think he's done the best in wayne family adventures, which considering that series is JUST character writing isn't surprising, but I also like his relationship with the other robins especially Tim.
I think how Damian was portrayed in Injustice was basically a response to the hate he gets, intentionally making him so unlikable that he’s not even really liked in universe.
Likely either not for a long time or ever since DC is hyperfixated on either ignoring him or trying to paint him as the villan nowadays. Which makes sense since him being too close to Bruce would make some fans think *gasp* that Bruce, DC's precious cash cow is at best wrong with his "no killing" rule or a derranged control freak more obsessed with stomping down anyone who opposes him than actually fighting crime
Absolutely despised him for years but I've recently started reading through DC's rebirth era and what made me decide he was my favorite robin was Super sons. I think seeing that softer side of him made all his other appearances more tolerable and actually charming.
Ironically that is also what happened to the Injustice writer. He despised Damian but then he read some Damian stories and changed his mind. Then he wrote Dceased which was great and did Damian justice so he made up for his mistake with injustice Damian.
For all the hate damian gets, he is so unbelievably fantastic when written by Grant Morrison. Everytime it reaches THAT moment in Batman Inc. I tear up. And i mean EVERY time. He is wrriten as such a well-rounded character with just so much heart that the climax of that book is just devastating.
It's interesting to think how in the 90s and 2000s, Dick Grayson and Tim Drake were the Robins who were appearing in shows, with Tim replacing Jason because of his less than positive history (dying because people hated him). However in the last decade pulling up to now, Damian Wayne is getting pushed as well as Jason to a lesser extent with Tim being the one skipped over.
I love Damian, he's my favorite Robin if I'm being honest, but I really hate how he stole Tim's spotlight in the comics plus adaptions since Damian tend to ignore Tim all together
Damian is my favorite Robin too. Dick is better as Nightwing, and Jason is better as Red Hood. Tim should have gotten another role like the others. Then the Robin could have gotten the Robin mantle.
@@Rengokuo4o6I think it would’ve been amazing if Tim retired the Robin mantle and passed it onto Damian, would’ve been a good start to a reforming of their brotherhood. And maybe Tim would’ve retired and then something happens and that’s when he decides to dawn a new hero persona maybe Red Robin or smth else entirely
Damians is an always will be the most overhated Robin. People act like he didn't get any development since 2006. Dcamu and Injustice really ruined his image.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 actually yes first impressions do have lasting effects even with development. Damian Wayne was introduced shoving a stalagmite up Tim's rear...and has never apologized for constantly going out of his way to insert his superiority over Tim...all out of jealousy...and even when Nightwing should have fired Damian after five minutes and put Tim back in the role during his time as Batman...he wasn't allowed to...even though he mentioned he could. This just was irritating...and Damian's so jealous of Tim because Tim's everything he's not.
@timepilotcluefinder94 it also doesn't help that he is shoved into everything cuz he's the most marketable aswell. Also doesn't help that the dcau where most people had their first impressions had him heavily injuring nightwing and defeating deathstroke. Like that's just not possible. Bro is peak Gary Stu with an ego.
@Vilgax00 nah, Batman: TBATB treating him as existing only in Alfred's fanfics is much better. Damian's been nothing but trouble in since 2005...ever since Talia decided to "slip Bruce a Mickey"...and he forgot to say "Nice try lady, I work for Warner's."
Jason should be in more adaptations. He doesn’t even have to be shown just mentioned as the dead robin. That should be an important part of Batman’s story when taking on new robins. Similar to how s4 of young justice mentions him as something Bruce won’t let happen again.
It would be interesting to see if either A) Red Hood is either a fixture in Gotham when Damian arrives since he's new to the city, he doesn't know the players in the criminal underworld or B) Jason hasn't come back **yet** and his return is what brings together Dick, Barbara, Tim, and Damian to defend Gotham from this young buck looking to carve up the criminal underworld.
Damian Wayne fans should read THE BOY WONDER by Juni Ba and enjoy the 2021- 2022 ROBIN comic series focusing on The Al Ghuls and The Lazarus Tournament.
I dislike the Damian and the writers cuz ever since Damian arrival Tim Drake has been unused, written poorly, and now only used for shock value with no payoff.
I just like to say I've never hated Damien in fact he's my second favorite character to be Robin in my opinion he's what red hood would have been he wasn't voted off well minus the entitled mindset. I'm not going to play down the fact that in that version of the story Batman got raped but come on this is comic books worst shit has happened.
What surprises is that there weren't any robin movies, robin has evolved into more than just Batman's sidekick, he's his own character and deserves to have movies about him. Plus his outfits if done right have the potential to be the best hero outfits
I personally liked Damian Wayne robin teaming up with my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy as his little 10 year old self and being the super sons which is a really awesome team and tons of fun but that’s just my opinion.
@@dawudabdulali3827 indeed and honestly nothing would've made me happier but to my favorite team super sons get animated tv show which would be really awesome and badass in my opinion.
I raise, Harper Row was despised so much she didnt even get to Robin despite the writer lining her up to be Robin 6. Jason Todds had his writer actively trying to kill him, and editorial slacking on the job to allow for character assassination, and it was still a close call with the kill vote. Row on the other side had her writer singing her praises at even turn and still got her retiring early and booted out the back door
Harper row is just a nothing character The batfamily is already good enough With the 5 boys the 2 girls oracle Azreal Batwoman Batwing Like we don't need more characters for a bit
@painvillegaming4119 i have no love for the insufferable Bluebird. But you are aware that 'The batfamily is already good enough' and 'with the 5 boys' is kinda a contradictory statement. If you are making the claim that the family has enough people in it therefore Harper Row cant join. Then, your listing is off since Duke came after Harper Row timewise, and if the family was limited in size by timeline appearance rather than engaging character. Than she would have more claim than Signal
@ I included duke because I like him as a character more plus he's the only metahuman which bring a interesting dynamic Also his story is simply better And yeah I know Harper Row came first
@painvillegaming4119 np, i was but a bit thrown by your earlier wording. Purely personally, i feel like Duke is even pushing it family sizewise. I still feel like he would have suited better a apprentice or 'robin' to Red Hood rather than another in Bruces line up
@@jim-bob3093 yeah I get it Of course they're also terry and Helena which I didn't count but also let be real they're inevitable (maybe not the main continuity )
I'm hoping in James Gunn's DC universe that he's going to be used as a gateway to show all the other Robins already being Red Hood Nightwing and Red Robin I think it could really help to build the universe. No matter what though Damian Wayne's my favorite Robin
I think that's the best we can hope for. Damian becomes Robin and then this attracts Tim Drake who has gone solo or something and in a later film, Jason can come in as Red Hood, either as the main antagonist or the guy Batman really didn't want to call but had to because of the situation.
@ It’s also a story that has to happen during Tim Drake’s time as Robin, introducing him during the Damian Wayne Era is way too late and raises questions of where has he been for the last 5+ years.
Tim deserves so much more respect. He became Robin by sleuthing Batmans identity and pretty much asking him to take him under his wing. Tim even got praise from Ra’s Al Ghul. The dude is cracked and is the only true competitor with Dick Grayson for the title of best Robin, some would say he is the best.
It's not like I hate Damian but they tried to push him on the audience sooo much to the point I ended up hating him in every batman movie he was the main character in the teen titans movie he was the main character he acted just because he was Batman's son he is superior even in the comics he had his own robin comics and teen titans and super sons he had a super sons movie hell even in the new upcoming batman movie he is the robin like they tried to give his own Arkham game which they cancelled because they saw how much people didn't rock with him Damian is a fine character but just because he is Batman's biological son doesn't mean he has to take the center stage everytime
They didn't push Damian in the comics. Even Tim had his own Robin comic, Teen Titans and Young Justice comics, all which. Damian doesn't take the center stage, that's just in the dcamu. Dc tried to ruin him outright try to turn him into a terrorist and gave him suicide vest once....
@@huntertezz that's the dumbest take I have ever heard Damian heard Damian at one point had 3 comics all at the same time in comparison red hood had none nightwing had 2 and Tim had 0 sooo don't play dumb with me and the terrorist one was one chapter and it was a bluff to Stop Jason which he failed at
@@freedomprice9173 Didn't Red Hood have Outlaws? Tim had 0 at the time but I meant even he had 3 comics at the same time back when he was Robin. Its not a big deal sheesh 😅. When I meant the terrorist thing I am talking about 5G. Dc wanted to make Damian the big villain and lead Leviathan.
@@freedomprice9173 Also when did Damian have 3 comics at the same time? His two solo series happened before and after supersons and teen titans. Never on the same time. Damian was not even in the main Batman book at the time.
@@huntertezz yeah red hood's ONLY book was the outlaws and Tim got his those comics after he was accepted unlike Damian where people were still on the gray yet he had three comics at the same time dcau movies super sons movie he was the only robin active in both injustice 1 and 2 so yeah you could see how much they pushed that boy
A major reason I don’t care for Damian because of how big of a push there is for him over other robin you said it yourself where’s the Tim love and I’d love to see more Jason as a young robin as well. This is coming from a huge robin fan dick Grayson is my favorite superhero of all time
He didn't get a big push outside of the cartoon. Infact Dc tried to ruin him and was even bit a racist with his writing. They tried to turn him the middle eastern kid into a terrorist with a suicide vest.
@@RodoFoolboyTV Yeah but its not really because they want to push him. I think its just because Damian is more marketable than Tim as "son of Batman" Also I think Dc realized Dick and Jason are just way better as Nightwing and Redhod insted of Robin.
I like Damian, but a large part of why I like him is that he IS the fourth installment of the robins (not to disrespect any of the ladies who have taken up the mantle, I just haven’t seen really seen any of the works that feature them in the robin role, so I don’t feel qualified to talk about them). Damian being the youngest and most difficult to connect with after two successful robins and one controversial one is kind of the hook for me? And I’m really hoping that in the Harley Quinn show at least, we’re going to find out that the other two robins have already come and gone from the role, since that show does seem to be set later in the DC timeline.
Damian seems to get along with Nightwing and sees him as a brother, even though tim and Jason didn't like him at first. In the later movies, Damian learns to respect others and was less bratty and arrogant to other heroes which was good character development
Facts. Idk why people hate on him. I mean yeah he was garbage in injustice but that’s the only adaptation I can think of where he’s trash, every where else, he’s a good character.
MINE TOO Why do they hate hime so much he is a great character concept with unlimited potential. at this point i want him to be in his own comic without the batfamily because of the hatred
To be fair, Injustice was when Damien was truly introduce to the mainstream DC normie audience - which did not leave a good impression about him on fans. The Injustice stench still follows Damien to this day and it's been an uphill battle since for Damien to get any positive fan support or positive portrayal
I honestly didn't know he was so disliked. I started watching these movies just because of him and he is my favorite character. Then I came across the movie "Super Sons" and I really liked his relationship with Jonathan and so I read all the comics I found with them.These are the first comics I've read in their entirety. The only thing,it is sad is that there are no more films and series about them. In general, I am surprised by such dislike for this boy.
I hate Damien because it was clear from the start that the growth they were "giving" to dick and tim after bruce died was not going to stay, and that this kid was going to stay on a robin. Tim earned it, Damian didn't. And tim has never recovered from that
Awesome video I don’t know if you have but could you do a video on the Underrated GOAT that is Cassandra Cain and how she’s interacts with the batfam 😅
He is literally my favorite and in my opinion the most interesting Robin. He was the best thing about the DCAU especially his portrayal in Batman vs Robin and the teen Titans movies. However, his worst enemy is bad writing because they reverse his character development all the time.
My biggest gripe with Damian as Robin even tho I love him is that sometimes it just doesn’t make sense timeline wise. Like how is Damian Robin and Barbra is his batgirl counterpart when it should be stef in my opinion. Not only is it erasing other robins but batgirls too.
Barbara is not his batgirl counterpart😂. His Batgirl is Stephanie. Its stupid to blame Damian for that batgirls when its clear he has nothing to do with it. Its just Dc's obsession with regressing Barbara and keeping her as Batgirl instead of letting her be Oracle.
Tim's my favorite, but I acknowledge he'll never be featured in live action. I think I've heard comics creators say how difficult it is explaining to today's audiences how Bruce Wayne keeps acquiring young boys to fight crime. Saying Dick's his adopted son? That works. Saying Batman has a son? That works. Saying Batman found a kid on the streets or his neighbor's son just shows up on his doorstep and decides to train them to fight crime? Harder for audiences to buy. I get that it's comics and I'm cool with it, but movie crowds probably won't get it. It sucks.
Tim was an adoption case too, so was Jason, and Tim's the only one of the adopted Robins who does change his name to Tim Wayne...around the time of Infinite Crisis.
@@Superlad9494 Oh I didn't realize they'd been officially adopted! That's cool. Also means there's a chance I might see Tim get the spotlight... eventually. But I did hear something about DC testing out Maps (from Gotham Academy) as a new Robin recently, so maybe not ☹
Am pretty sure in universe considering how Dc Tim crunch works bro probably got whooped by Cass Jason And Damian around the same time span or something
2:44 I’m pretty sure this version of Damian was my first introduction to the character (but not that specific movie, I first saw him in Batman vs Robin if I remember correctly) but I don’t remember finding him annoying, granted this was before I really knew much about Batman lore…if anything I personally think the dynamic with -mostly Batman- is interesting. All that said, I love how the lineup of ribbons is basically: Dick- the golden child Jason- the edgelord Tim- …exists Damian- the problem child
Exactly. The kid was raised to be the ultimate heir to his grandfather Ra's Al Ghul in the League of Assassins. Talia left him under Bruce's protection, fearing that Deathstroke would go after her son.
@@chazarcola7639 yea people hating on him for doing what his character is meant to do it makes no sense. They hate him cause his arrogant and bashful that’s the whole point good characters are not perfect especially ones that were raised like that
DAMIAN WAYNE is a Shakespearean tragic hero. Reminiscent of two legendary epic characters : 1. MORDRED Prince of Camelot forever torn between his father King Arthur ( Batman ) and his mother Morgana La Fey (Talia ). 2. OCTAVIAN CAESAR, the heir of Julius Caesar ( Ras Al Ghul ) and the son of his grand niece Atia Of The Julii ( Talia ).
Injustice was my intro to Damian Wayne. Around that time, I got a job, started buying comics again. I wondered "Comic Damian can't be as bad as Injustice Damian". At first, he was, then I read his adventures with Grayson and Born to Kill. Great stories. My goodness, I cried when he died. Cried more when Bruce revived him.
I do hate damian on one hand especially when he got alred killed but on the other hand he and other characters serve as a foil to one another. I havent read anything after Dark knights metal but im pretty sure he's starting to lighten up now and i think he has a girlfirend named flatline.
Damian did have development over the years. And DC and WB really pushed him to be the main Robin. Wish Jon Kent have all that growth and development but nah, Bendis and Tom Taylor got their hands on Jon. But Battle of the Super Son was a good movie. 0:57 I read this comic call Robins by Tim Seeley. There was a hypothetical/what-if-scenario, of what if Batman’s Robins didn’t meet Batman. If Damian Wayne never met Batman, he’ll become a peaceful Monk. Does that make any sense? If Damian Never met Batman he would mostly like become Ra’s Al Ghul’s successor and new leader of league of Shadow. The Bat family gave Damian a moral compass. 7:31 Yeah The Teen Titans were trapped in the Phantom Zone but injustice 2 issue 37, Batman and Plastic Man helped the titans escape. But Sadly after they escaped. Tim was murdered by Zod. That really sucks. But it was cool that Connor took up the Superman mantle. I think Connor and Cassie went into the future with Legion of Superheroes. 6:36 I hate Teen Jon Kent more than Injustice Damian. The last interaction that Teen Jon had with Damian, Teen Jon said go back to Alfred. *This dumb mother-f*¢ker doesn’t know Alfred is dead in Injustice universe at that time.* Alfred was revive until Injustice 2 comics by Damian. Remember Adventure of Jon Kent takes place before the first Injustice video game. It Most likely take place between Injustice year 4 and year 5 comics. So After Jon told Damian to go see Alfred but Damian didn’t do that until he and Superman regime lost? And Damian is still loyal to Superman’s Regime. Teen Jon Kent is stupid. 7:12 True. And Cassandra didn’t get adaptions until that birds of prey movie, but kid is only Cassandra by Name nothing else. I blame WB have their put their *over-reliance* on Barbara Gordon. Thus making Barbara Gordon an overrated character. It is true.
Yeah that comic was pretty weird, we all know if the robins didn’t meet Bruce: Dick would’ve been in jail out of anger of killing his parents killer. Bruce was the one who taught him Justice, Not Vengeance; Jason would’ve died on the streets as a kid let’s be honest; Tim would’ve took over Drake industries; Damian would’ve became the next demons head
Let’s be honest the birds of prey girl was Stephanie. Legit Stephanie’s personality, Stephanie’s recklessness, and even down to Steph’s connection to Black Mask. Why they couldn’t just name her Stephanie Brown, I’ll never understand why
Damien works great as a dynamic character. He starts as an annoying brat, who then can go through a character arc to become a hero, shedding his flaws. But when the storytelling is put in the hands of a corporation instead of a good storyteller, they just amalgamate all of their qualities regardless of place in the arc and you end up with all of the skills and status of their final version mixed up with all of the negative qualities they were supposed to have overcome to earn those skills and status
Thank you 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 😎. I can't help but agree with everything you've said here. The dcmu was also my introduction to Damian, and he ranges from tolerable like in Bat Blood to insufferable like Justice League vs Teen Titans. It would be one thing if we are supposed to dislike the character. However, those dcmu movies feel like they want you to like him and see his growth, but I feel like that growth never really came despite me waiting for it. In addition, when people defend this character they either do so by mentioning his backstory or finding his behavior cute. To which I and others respond with a resounding: his background explains him but doesn't excuse his actions, and no one IRL would find this behavior cute 🤔. Therefore, instead of rooting for Damian to become the next Robin we are instead eager to see him get his face blown off by blue beetle or get his butt whooped by Deathstroke. Lastly, you brought up Injustice and honestly the animated film version is where I actually like Damian. There he regrets killing Nightwing accidentally and shows a lot more respect to his father and is likable. Similarly, I found him likable in Batman vs Ninja Turtles where they balance him being a kid and a warrior well. Those examples show that this character can be done right, as opposed to versions like the injustice 2 game where you don't blame Batman for disowning him. Speaking of which at 4:39 Batman could have easily been like "you weren't an accident, your mother drugged and r*** me to bring you here" 🤨.
I read a fanfiction crossover of Harry Potter\Batman where Harry is related to BOTH Bruce Wayne AND Tony Stark and after discovering his relation to them, sends both a letter asking for help to get him out of the Tri-Wizard Tournament. In THIS story Nightwing (Dick Grayson) AND the other three kids Bruce had, yes including Damian lived together as a family. The boys working together (along with Peter Parker) even easily came to the conclusion Harry was being abused. Even though the story wasn't and still isn't finished it was great watching then work together in their own way and keeping roughly with their personalities (Damian went about things more roughly-like a bull in a china store-than the others) to try and find out what he was hiding and try and 'make friends' with him.
I rly liked the solo Damian run and the current Batman and Robin run is goated just cause 13 to 16 Damian is when he’s at his best, maybe it’s cause I’m 16 so I kinda relate to him but I like Damian in both of those series
Nightwing is fun to read but Jason is a much better character and Tim is THE best protoge for Batman and easily my fevourite Robin. Damian is ace too. Gets a bad rap. I really have different ideas if what is good than you. So much so that I really can't stand watching your videos anymore.
I clearly had something confused because I was pretty sure Dick was Robin in more than the DCAU, Teen Titans, and Young Justice... but it obviously wasn't the DCAMU. Anyway, he's still my favorite ROBIN AND I like him as Nightwing. Someone was saying in a Robin Hot Takes/Unpopular Opinions video that almost everyone's favorite Robin was Tim. Doesn't matter if you prefer Nightwing as a character, you probably like Tim as Robin most. And I was trying to say how that really wasn't true since I'm basically an animation fan, not a comic fan, and basically every Robin I like was Dick. (Or a bit of a composite, like you could argue Teen Titans Robin was, since he used Tim's no staff, and arguably kinda became Red Hood (Red X) like Jason for a bit. (I can't quite remember but Red X may have been a thing before Jason Red Hood was?) Anyway, regardless, he becomes Nightwing. He's Dick. Dick is my favorite Robin.
DC doesn't know what that want to do with Tim. Because everything that made Tim special and standout, they gave it to Damian. Tim was Robin, now it's Damian. Tim had the BEST relationship with Superboy. They made Jon Kent and gave it to Damian. They took away Tim's identity of "Red Robin" but didn't give him anything else to grow into/replace it with. Now all Tim has is being the one dating a boy. And thats not much to go off of in terms of making an interesting character that people want to read
Damian ain’t no joke. But you must understand he’s young and learning. He was programmed one way and is now being rewritten . He does care about his Dad. I enjoy him.
When Jason was a robin he was actually a very nice kid he followed Batman's rule he was seen as someone who loves literature he was see as talent as dick as said by batman he was a great robin unfortunately a certain writer didn't like the idea of robin so he was getting shoved to the sidelines and eventually killed by the joker and unfortunately DC decided to paint him as a bad robin even tho canonically he wasn't really that bad
Contrary to popular belief, Jason was actually pretty well-adjusted. He really only lost his cool a couple times during his run. The first was with Two-Face, who he recently learned murdered his father. And the second was when a serial rapist got off scot-free due to diplomatic immunity and tormented his victim into taking her own life just for kicks.
I also wish they would age him up more. Maybe do a time skip where he’s 19 and we see him with a cool new suit or maybe there would be an official series of Damian Wayne being Batman(not Batman 666). But his suit as Batman was awesome.
Bro when Superman set up Alfred's death and Damian goes off. Then he cares for him saying that Alfred was the one who taught him humility. Injustice was so gas
Not gonna lie, I really didn’t like how in the DCAMU there’s no Jason Todd or Tim Drake. It just doesn’t feel right.
I'm honestly glad cause they'll either show up doing very little with no development like a background character or be a last minute introduction like Batgirl only to get brutally torn apart by the paradoom
at best they did his story with Under the Redhood / Death in the Family, it was just separate from everything
@@SapphireKnight675 I maybe stupid but is death in the family linked to the killing joke? cuz in one of the options it showed jason going to Barbara in a wheelchair and the art style is similar to the killing joke animated film
Good we don't need 100 Robin's in a universe. Especially when they won't have anything to do after their introductions.
@@amon__7187 Fax bro that was my main issue with the DCAMU there be a bunch of characters that randomly show up barley doing anything even at the end they show up only for them to do jack in the next film other than horrifically die to paradooms
The only reason Damian is hated is because every time someone tries to give him character development and make him more than the "Selfish Bat-Brat blood son", they undo it and revert him to an annoyance which is terrible to see because I genuinely like Damian in certain continuities.
It rarely happens. Damian gets to keep it alot of development.
Although when it does happen it just feels jarring and out of character.
No titans and choosing the wrong call the only time he has anything good it’s tied to a so so writer who thinks he has not crossed the lines kill him already
You people only like Damian when he's neutered & turned into an agreeable sidekick like the other dorks that were made into Robins. Confidence is too much for y'all to handle lol, he's either gotta be some traumatized crybaby like Todd or boyscouts like Tim & Grayson.
"Character Development" in the modern age is really just removing any traits from a character that might cause conflict with others in the cast. Ever notice how it's only ever the prideful, selfish & confident characters that need "development" to be well-written?
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Injustice 2 in-game is a great example of this. In the prequel comics, it was shown that Damien that went through significant character development, from showing lots of remorse for killing Dick, to outright rebelling against Ra’s Al Ghul and thwarting his plans. Then in Injustice 2 we says he was the perfect son and shows pride in his Al Ghul heritage.
@@donovanlarsen7982 Yeah that would be the difference between comic writers and game writers.
Also the one who wrote Injustice admitted he hated Damian. But then he read some of Damian's stories and grew to like him.
People forget how Damian grew up, he grew up comfortable with killing his own allies and because of his mother at a young age made Damian feel like he has to be perfect to recieve love, and as for robin as Batman’s sons he felt as he had to be more perfect than any other robin in all aspects and wanted his father to see that. Everyone knows how skillful Damian is espically for his age but he’s never felt real love and he’s only 10 people seem to forget that
It's really hard to look past the surface given Damian's personality. His mother and his grandfather are mainly at fault for that. Talia gave Damian to Bruce as a means to give him hell. Damian is doing exactly what Talia wants him to do.
I wonder if the dislike is partially people not having the chance to read his initial comic run with Dick and how it's basically been retconned in other media. It does his character a huge disservice to remove that and not show how damaged he was at the start, and how much he was eventually able to open up thanks to Dick, the same way Bruce was. It personified him as that vulnerable, traumatized part of Bruce who didn't have a chance for a normal life.
They sidelined Jason, Tim, Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain. I don’t hate Damian I just think the others need some love too
Nah, there shouldn't be like 50 Robins in one universe. Having Dick and then Damian was enough.
El problema es que Bruce ha tenido tantos compañeros
They weren't sidelined because of Damian! (Tim was but not the rest)
Like Stephanie was even Damian's batgirl.
@@huntertezz not saying Damian sidelined them. Saying how in adaptation or any media recently not a lot members of the Bat family get a lot of screen time aside from Batman, Dick, Barbara, and Damian. The Batfamily web comics gave them more love then recent DC animation. Here’s a comparison Damian been in like 10 movies and like 4 shows starting from 2014. Tim since the late 90s was in 3 shows, 1 movie, 3 days games with two with barely any playtime and killed off in one game
And according to James Gunn Damian getting a live action movie adaptation before Jason (That hint from Batman v Superman doesn’t count it went nowhere) or Tim. Heck they did Cassandra Cain dirty in Birds of Prey. She supposed to be the daughter of two world class assassins one being one of Batman teachers and nope she just there because she stupidly ate something and needs to pop it out or get cut up by BlackMask
The best part of Damian is that he was raised by murderers and is in direct contrast with the Bat Code. This goes on to legitimize the No Kill Rule once Damien completes his arc. The fact that we’re allowed to hate him at the start is an interesting take on a Robin. Cool video, this is the most worthwhile channel I’ve subscribed to in awhile.
I still hate him because of his personality
His not raised by simple murderers... He was raised by the League of Assasins... one would think he would be hyper-aware of some form of decorum being from an ancient elite group that has ties in different countries. Unless the League really is that shitty of an organization that all it's leaders are just blood thirsty and crass it's a wonder that they ever had any allies or that so little of it's members turn on the group.
@@TheUnseenPath But his personality changes as he grows as a character.
@TheUnseenPath initially, yes but over the years Damien has grown into a very different charicter and has good chemistry with members of the batfamily
Debut Damian was a beast; confident, no-nonsense, aggressive & belittling of others. Skill to back up the talk too. If they neutered him & made Damian agreeable to make him more relatable to the average reader then his character is officially botched. The entire point of Damian is to be someone who would grow to outperform every other Robin, yet he could never fully *BE* Robin because his character is the polar opposite of the Golden Boy archetype.
What I like about Damian is that he actually feels like a different Robin. I really liked him in Justice League Vs Teen Titans
Easily one of the best movies in this universe
Watch more movies. All DCAMU movies are traaaaaaaaaaaaaash
@@lazaroskarmaniolas7410 You're a waste of oxygen
@@lazaroskarmaniolas7410 You're trash
This is why no one likes you
@@lazaroskarmaniolas7410not at all lol
Can we all agree that Tim is DISRESPECTFULLY underrated
Yes. OH GOD YES. TIM deserves way more love
100% yes
The new writers keep hoeing him
At least Young Justice handled him fine before his resignation from the team.
We've only seen Tim Drake animated twice in Shows.
That being Young Justice and Batman TAS/Batman Beyond.
No I'm not counting Death in the Family, or whatever meme that Teen Titans Go! made about him
Damian's existence has made both Tim Drake and Cassandra Cain's redundant characters, no writer knows what to do with them anymore.
No Damian didn't become redundant because of Damian. Obviously she should be the main Batgirl.
Dc just needs to stop regressing Barbara and let her be Oracle.
You mean the existence of Damian and Cass (as well as revert Barbara) makes Tim and Steph redundant right? Saying this as a Steph fan.
Cassandrsa Cain has actually got a lot of material and is utilized properly. It's Tim Drake and Stephanie who the writer's don't know what to do with.
@@SaraMoustamandi-my8ot Cass was done dirty in the DCEU though.
At least Young Justice and subsequent comics made up for it though.
That's why they have Damien Kill off Tim in every iteration I seen where Damien is taking over the mantle of Robin, and like if they are going for having Damien being hated for it cool but like if it's just to open the spot and 'legitimize' Batman's bo kill rule, I like the story having him heal from being raised by killers but in classic Batman story telling style one step forward 10 steps back to climb back to that point
I think the DCAMU handled Damian better in some instances
Agreed here
They actually gave him character development
He was the only Bat family member allowed to have any serious character development. Batman had to learn to love him, Nightwing had to learn to lose his uniqueness and be Damian's target practice, and Batwoman, Batwing and Batgirl existed without really doing anything.
@@tycemo707YTwasn't his only character arc "don't kill"? Like, it felt like he was going through the same arc each film.
Then you simply haven't read enough comics. There's nothing about Dcamu that's remotely better than his comic counter part.
I dont hate Damian, but I really dislike that hes the first Robin we'll see in the upcoming DCU and not Dick. At least well get to see Dick immediately as Nightwing, but idk its very important that we see him in his time as Robin first IMO
Facts bro
Robin is the most important element of Batman. Dick the first Robin made Batman a better character.
But Damian is the reverse. He is meant to be Dick's partner. So in this case it was Batman (Dick) made robin a better character.
Yes, but Dick's role in the family can still be established without him being Robin. That was the point of him being Damian's Batman, that he was able to save Damian the same way he saved Bruce.
In Damian's first appearance there's a huge theme in Tim feeling immediately threatened and jealous of him.Fast forward to now and Damian as a character has completely supplanted Tim.Talk about meta-irony.
That's why he's hated fanboys hate that Tim is not popular anymore.
@@hordakprime6172 Tim was always a boring character to me anyways lol
Same here @@SaraMoustamandi-my8ot
@@hordakprime6172 Bro you are so right. These aren't even really fanboys. In general there what I call happylords. They don't like to see masculine, strong characters like Damien. And there mad cause Tim is a boring nice guy copy and paste pushover. Damien and Jason are way better.
@@SaraMoustamandi-my8otYeah Tim is a dude good nice guy copy and paste pushover he's too agreeable and he's practically an npc
Damian and Cass are NOT the same.
Cass was just a weapon, an object, she was just taught to kill and fight, and was left traumatized the first moment she did so and ran away.
Damian was bathed as a baby in the blood of an innocent woman's dead body, was beaten to half-death and healed in the Lazarus pit multiple times, trained in all sorts of Arts, Science and History besides teaching him how to kill, and he has killed a LOT of people, much more than Cass could ever endure.
One was supposed to be the ultimate weapon and the other one was supposed to be the ultimate warrior.
I’m surprised they haven’t tried shipping them together yet
@@betterlatethannever4529 Because:1They are siblings(Yes Cass is adopted that doesn't mean they aren't siblings)2Cass is depending on the version is either same age as Tim and Steph or a year older then Jason Todd.
I guess that makes sense.
@@betterlatethannever4529 probably the age difference, with cass being 18 and damian being fourteen
@@betterlatethannever4529because Bruce is both of they’re dad (yes Cass is adopted but it still weird )
I love all the Robins, but Damian is just the most intriguing to me personally, he isn't my favorite character, but his potential is what draws me in. He's awful at first, but that's kind of the point of him, he's supposed to be a new issue for the family to figure out how to adapt to.
I understand not liking him, but frankly, people hate wayyy too much on his character, especially because his first introduction has him being terrible to everyone, and people can't seem to move past it.
But just try and imagine you're this 10yr old child who has been raised to kill and claim your "birthrights" since birth, like you were literally are created and groomed for these purposes!
And then your mom abandons you in a different country with a father who doesn't know you existed who you thought would want you immediately, and brothers you've been raised to believe are below you and less than you because of your blood relations, and none of these people act like how you were expecting them to. And you're now stuck in a situation with basically strangers who hate you and your existence and don't understand or believe in any of what you've been taught your entire life until then. And there's probably more stuff I'm forgetting honestly.
I genuinely cannot imagine how I, as a 10 YEAR OLD CHILD raised to slaughter people, would deal with any of that. I'd probably be worse or more likely died immediately, at least Damian usually grows from the views and lifestyle he was GROOMED into, and becomes a better person(at least when the person writing him doesn't hate his character anyway).
He's a little kid at the start, and just left a death cult for the first time in his life, give the boy a break. If anything, you should be despising Talia's character for rasing him like this in the first place, or in other versions, violating Bruce to create him. But blaming Damian's character for acting like a brat, who was raised explicitly to be a brat, makes so little sense.
Either way, I love all of the bat family, I have my favorites obviously, but I'm glad all of their characters were created because they all add something fun to the dynamic. Hating on one character for specific writing someone did is just wasting your energy. "Canon" isn't real at this point, so you might as well just pick you're favorite bits and ignore what you don't like, because getting mad at it doesn't do anything but fuel anger that won't do anything.
And btw, I do not hate people who dislike Damian, that's not what my comment is meant for, so please do not think I'm upset at people for their personal opinion. I'm just frustrated I find more hate on his character than anything more interesting when I'm looking up stuff about Damian's character, tbh.
Enjoying these characters is supposed to be fun and a break from sad and boring reality, let it be fun for yourself!
So true actually, and I've always thought how ppl can expect a kid raised in a VERY toxic way since his birth to act all normal and friendly, besides that I truly can't imagine the process of adaptation for Damian. If you think about it, his life got turned upside down by his mother when she gave him to Bruce. He could kill before, nope, not anymore, he had to train no matter what, he had to get the tasks done even if he died in the process before, but guess what, not anymore. And the whole mindset of the people around you changes. It's just too much
@@Mica-208exactly Damian was raised to be a killer and to receive birthrights that’s what he was born to do so it explains his attitude in the beginning. He had no childhood experience like dick he was killing and alway had to fight for his right to know about his father and against his own mother, he had no loving family like at all. I always loved Damian regardless he was always awesome especially his potential as he started to change and become more human with friends and family and this is all while he was 10 years old he was killing probably before he could talk talia would’ve made sure of it.
This is spot on. People often forget the circumstances damian was in and its quite remarkable hoe he emerged from that and became who he currently is.
Your comment is to true bro it makes me cry. This is why Damian is one of my favorites
@@khadismadI don't give a damn he is trash, his existence is a mistake
I think what I like with Damian is the irony in him being Bruce's one biological child but has the most estranged relationship out of any of his kids.
No he doesn't have an estranged relationship. He is outright Bruce's second favourite son.
The one with the most estranged relationship is Jason.
@@huntertezz No, his most estranged family member is Mogo the Bat-Ape
… Injustice player, I suppose?
@@OzEtlar Nah, although I do remember maining Lobo when I played the first game years ago. When it comes to fighting games I'm more in Darkstalkers and KI.
@@dougwalker8068What about Bat-Cow?
I forgot Tim was in Injustice and when I remembered and he even talks to Bruce about getting Batman and Robin back to together he dies like Tim cant catch a break.
Least unnecessary death in injustice
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Bro I just realized Damian is just Vegeta from dbz
You just blew my mind😂
Even has his own Bulma in the DCAMU, Raven
@@nataliawashington872 Bulma is nothing like Raven because she's actually competent and resourceful, while Dcamu Raven feels intentionally made less competent so that Damian can have some relevancy by pushing her around to do things. Bulma also has a character outside of Vegeta, while Dcamu Raven's whole character basically became Damian-Kun by the last movie and her role there was basically to make his arc come full circle.
More like Trunks
Yeah and Jon is Goku. Jon is even a Dragon Ball fan.
The thing about Damian Wayne (to me, anyway!) Is that his character only really works when the other major Robins were there first. Dick, in particular, is extremely important to Damian's characterization, because it's not Bruce who managed to get through to him and encourage Damian to be kind, it was DICK!
Dick is essential to Damian's character growth because he is the driving force behind Damian _choosing_ to be good. Because Dick was angry and vengeful once, but then he found himself a support system (outside of Bruce's largely unhelpful ass. love the guy but he's like a solid C parent, and was like a D during Dick's tenure) and grew into someone who chooses to be kind. He's helpful, empathetic, friendly and passionate, both in and out of the mask. Dick's unwavering belief in Damian, and his leading by example, is what finally got Damian's head out of his ass. Damian started to become a true hero because he wanted to do right by Dick. Furthermore, was Dick who softened Batman to a point where he could take on the other Robins; I don't think Damian would have wanted to be Robin to the Batman before Dick.
Jason is important because he is the cautionary tale. Jason is a reflection of what Damian could be - angry, violent and vengeful... or dead. It's easier to sympathize with Damian because we have seen what anger has done to Jason. It makes sense why Bruce is so determined to keep this kid on the right path, even beyond his strong morals, because he has already lost a child to their own anger. To me, Jason is what makes Bruce's dogged faith in Damian more believable, and their relationship so much more meaningful, because Bruce has seen Jason crawl his way back into something resembling heroism, even after everything - so too could Damian.
Tim is the point of contrast. Tim is what Robin should be, the ideals and moral code that Damian lacks. Their conflict, mainly that Damian believes himself to be more worthy of the Robin mantle and thinks very little of Tim, is a driving force of Damian's character as he goes out of his way to one up Tim at every opportunity. And that he's forced to face the fact that he is *wrong* and Tim is/was the superior Robin in all the ways that truly matter is a very juicy internal conflict and turning point for Damian.
Furthermore, going from a friendly, bubbly robin with some shithead tendencies and a strong moral code straight to a spoilt, haughty brat who struggles with not killing just isn't nearly as interesting as watching the progression of Robins beforehand. Plus, it robs Dick of some really important characterization regarding the other two robins - Jason's replacement of him as Robin and subsequent death are two very important turning points in his character, and his experience with Tim is what allows him to handle Damian in the first place.
Also Damian and Stephanie have a really fun dynamic, I like when they're together. She's not really foundational to his character but I wanted to mention her because I think she's neat. Also him and Cass are great together! If he's going to be with any Bat other than Bruce going forward, I think she's a great choice. I've seen the idea of him becoming Nightwing's sidekick rolling around, and I'm not completely against it, but I would really like to see him and Cass together.
Yes, thank you! His entire character was written specifically for the scenario of Dick being his Batman, and him needing Dick's warmth to overcome his own darkness. Just like Bruce did! The idea of Bruce being able to heal this damaged child is absurd. It does such a disservice to Damian as a character, and Dick's entire purpose in Bruce's life, ffs. Awful decision by the writers here.
Damien being Gunns favorite Robins scares me tbh. I’ve been waiting for a Titans film series for a long time (Nightwing solo as well) and I feel like he’s gonna try to make Damien some sort of successor that he never really is in the comics
I kinda wish we got the super sons and under the red storyline in young justice
The supersons have their movie and are babysitting in the comics for now
I'm not going to lie: I was a Tim stan. Dare I say, Tim Drake is the Wally West of Robins: Gave fans a majority of the things they like about the character (lore, personality, costume, etc.) but every future and past person who has the mantle afterwards keep borrowing from them to the point the audience doesn't remember where the origin point was. Great example: Jason died in the Robin suit with the short-shorts and little boots. When Time officially became Robin, he was the first Robin to have darker colors, his own arsenal, and of course, pants. Jason dying in the old Robin costume also symbolized the death of what Robin used to be. Future adaptations and reboots, however, retconned all the earlier Robins having costumes similar to Tim's, lessening the importance of Tim taking up the mantle.
Omg I haven’t seen you in a while
Im suprised you didn’t mention Damian from Batman and Superman: Battle of the Super Sons. That is probably my favorite damian adaptation to date
Also the most accurate. They even gave him is pet cow.
I think he's done the best in wayne family adventures, which considering that series is JUST character writing isn't surprising, but I also like his relationship with the other robins especially Tim.
I think how Damian was portrayed in Injustice was basically a response to the hate he gets, intentionally making him so unlikable that he’s not even really liked in universe.
Injustice Damian Wayne literally called Firestorm and Blue Beetle unironically "Noobs" like he really asked for all the hate 😂😂
The nerve. Ronnie's been at this longer than he has...even if Jason's co-piloting.
They could never make me hate you Damian Wayne
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When are we going to get Redhood in a major movie? The last big thing he was in was Batman: under the Redhood.
Espero que brave and the bold sea el antagonista principal
dc likes to waste red hood's potential, and he is my favorite character so i feel frustrated and upset with the shit they do with the character
Likely either not for a long time or ever since DC is hyperfixated on either ignoring him or trying to paint him as the villan nowadays. Which makes sense since him being too close to Bruce would make some fans think *gasp* that Bruce, DC's precious cash cow is at best wrong with his "no killing" rule or a derranged control freak more obsessed with stomping down anyone who opposes him than actually fighting crime
even utrh didn't do his character right😭
@@peloozoids his character was done league's better than the Titans show
I like Damian, but I love Tim Drake. I really want to see an animated movie adapting the Red Robin run.
I honestly don’t hate Damian Wayne in most media(besides injustice), he grows throughout most stories and becomes more tolerable
Agreed
4:31 the fact that they’re fighting and Bruce STILL tries to grab him and protect him from the fall speaks volumes about his character
Absolutely despised him for years but I've recently started reading through DC's rebirth era and what made me decide he was my favorite robin was Super sons. I think seeing that softer side of him made all his other appearances more tolerable and actually charming.
Ironically that is also what happened to the Injustice writer. He despised Damian but then he read some Damian stories and changed his mind.
Then he wrote Dceased which was great and did Damian justice so he made up for his mistake with injustice Damian.
For all the hate damian gets, he is so unbelievably fantastic when written by Grant Morrison. Everytime it reaches THAT moment in Batman Inc. I tear up. And i mean EVERY time. He is wrriten as such a well-rounded character with just so much heart that the climax of that book is just devastating.
No he's not. And great while written by Morrison ? Maybe in another reality I guess...
@@saidi7975his existence ruins Talia for me, he worst robin and trash character and this 🤡 Gun used him as robin I don't suprise
I don't know, I still think Jason 'murdered by popular vote' Todd is still holding that title, we've just forgotten because he's edgy now.
so annoying how tim and jason get so little screen time in some ways, you only see them mostly in comics
I could never hate you, Damian.
"and let me say I'm the biggest hater" 😂
3:25 still got to love how Grayson in DCAU totally destroyed Damian in their first meeting.
He actually worked as a foil in Super Sons but DC couldn't help but throw away that gem.
It's interesting to think how in the 90s and 2000s, Dick Grayson and Tim Drake were the Robins who were appearing in shows, with Tim replacing Jason because of his less than positive history (dying because people hated him). However in the last decade pulling up to now, Damian Wayne is getting pushed as well as Jason to a lesser extent with Tim being the one skipped over.
I love Damian, he's my favorite Robin if I'm being honest, but I really hate how he stole Tim's spotlight in the comics plus adaptions since Damian tend to ignore Tim all together
Damian is my favorite Robin too. Dick is better as Nightwing, and Jason is better as Red Hood. Tim should have gotten another role like the others. Then the Robin could have gotten the Robin mantle.
Tim should be the Robin that retires.
@@Rengokuo4o6I think it would’ve been amazing if Tim retired the Robin mantle and passed it onto Damian, would’ve been a good start to a reforming of their brotherhood. And maybe Tim would’ve retired and then something happens and that’s when he decides to dawn a new hero persona maybe Red Robin or smth else entirely
@@nataliawashington872 Or he just settles down and leave hero work behind.
@@nataliawashington872hes gotta go purple
Damien: "Id rather be hated than forgotten 🗿"
Tim: "What do you mean by that? 👀"
Damians is an always will be the most overhated Robin. People act like he didn't get any development since 2006.
Dcamu and Injustice really ruined his image.
First impressions make a lasting effect on ppl i guess
@@ethanleongsem7582No they probably just don't know that character development is a thing yet.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 actually yes first impressions do have lasting effects even with development.
Damian Wayne was introduced shoving a stalagmite up Tim's rear...and has never apologized for constantly going out of his way to insert his superiority over Tim...all out of jealousy...and even when Nightwing should have fired Damian after five minutes and put Tim back in the role during his time as Batman...he wasn't allowed to...even though he mentioned he could. This just was irritating...and Damian's so jealous of Tim because Tim's everything he's not.
@timepilotcluefinder94 it also doesn't help that he is shoved into everything cuz he's the most marketable aswell. Also doesn't help that the dcau where most people had their first impressions had him heavily injuring nightwing and defeating deathstroke. Like that's just not possible. Bro is peak Gary Stu with an ego.
@Vilgax00 nah, Batman: TBATB treating him as existing only in Alfred's fanfics is much better. Damian's been nothing but trouble in since 2005...ever since Talia decided to "slip Bruce a Mickey"...and he forgot to say "Nice try lady, I work for Warner's."
Jason should be in more adaptations. He doesn’t even have to be shown just mentioned as the dead robin. That should be an important part of Batman’s story when taking on new robins. Similar to how s4 of young justice mentions him as something Bruce won’t let happen again.
It would be interesting to see if either A) Red Hood is either a fixture in Gotham when Damian arrives since he's new to the city, he doesn't know the players in the criminal underworld or B) Jason hasn't come back **yet** and his return is what brings together Dick, Barbara, Tim, and Damian to defend Gotham from this young buck looking to carve up the criminal underworld.
Damian's best portrayal has to be his adaptation in the DCAMU with actual character development. He easily became my favorite robin
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I dislike the Damian and the writers cuz ever since Damian arrival Tim Drake has been unused, written poorly, and now only used for shock value with no payoff.
I just like to say I've never hated Damien in fact he's my second favorite character to be Robin in my opinion he's what red hood would have been he wasn't voted off well minus the entitled mindset. I'm not going to play down the fact that in that version of the story Batman got raped but come on this is comic books worst shit has happened.
No there's nothing worse than that
I'm glad it's not canon anymore
What surprises is that there weren't any robin movies, robin has evolved into more than just Batman's sidekick, he's his own character and deserves to have movies about him. Plus his outfits if done right have the potential to be the best hero outfits
I personally liked Damian Wayne robin teaming up with my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy as his little 10 year old self and being the super sons which is a really awesome team and tons of fun but that’s just my opinion.
@@dawudabdulali3827 indeed and honestly nothing would've made me happier but to my favorite team super sons get animated tv show which would be really awesome and badass in my opinion.
Cass deserves to be put into more DC animated projects. She and Steph have been in the sum total of 1 series, being Young Justice (- ^ )
Wait for the Dcu. Once she makes her first live action debut people will finally see the best batgirl and she will start getting more cartoons.
@@huntertezzhopefully your right
The daughters of the Bat deserve better
In Titans Jason felt like a dollar tree Damien Wayne.
I raise, Harper Row was despised so much she didnt even get to Robin despite the writer lining her up to be Robin 6. Jason Todds had his writer actively trying to kill him, and editorial slacking on the job to allow for character assassination, and it was still a close call with the kill vote. Row on the other side had her writer singing her praises at even turn and still got her retiring early and booted out the back door
Harper row is just a nothing character
The batfamily is already good enough
With the 5 boys the 2 girls oracle Azreal Batwoman Batwing
Like we don't need more characters for a bit
@painvillegaming4119 i have no love for the insufferable Bluebird. But you are aware that
'The batfamily is already good enough' and 'with the 5 boys' is kinda a contradictory statement. If you are making the claim that the family has enough people in it therefore Harper Row cant join. Then, your listing is off since Duke came after Harper Row timewise, and if the family was limited in size by timeline appearance rather than engaging character. Than she would have more claim than Signal
@ I included duke because I like him as a character more plus he's the only metahuman which bring a interesting dynamic
Also his story is simply better
And yeah I know Harper Row came first
@painvillegaming4119 np, i was but a bit thrown by your earlier wording. Purely personally, i feel like Duke is even pushing it family sizewise. I still feel like he would have suited better a apprentice or 'robin' to Red Hood rather than another in Bruces line up
@@jim-bob3093 yeah I get it
Of course they're also terry and Helena which I didn't count but also let be real they're inevitable (maybe not the main continuity )
I'm hoping in James Gunn's DC universe that he's going to be used as a gateway to show all the other Robins already being Red Hood Nightwing and Red Robin I think it could really help to build the universe. No matter what though Damian Wayne's my favorite Robin
I think that's the best we can hope for. Damian becomes Robin and then this attracts Tim Drake who has gone solo or something and in a later film, Jason can come in as Red Hood, either as the main antagonist or the guy Batman really didn't want to call but had to because of the situation.
@@gfilmer7150Redhood should be the antagonist of the second movie
@@painvillegaming4119 As long as they don’t do Under The Red Hood
@@gfilmer7150 I mean isn't under the red hood thr story that would Bruce the most in shambles
@ It’s also a story that has to happen during Tim Drake’s time as Robin, introducing him during the Damian Wayne Era is way too late and raises questions of where has he been for the last 5+ years.
Tim deserves so much more respect. He became Robin by sleuthing Batmans identity and pretty much asking him to take him under his wing.
Tim even got praise from Ra’s Al Ghul. The dude is cracked and is the only true competitor with Dick Grayson for the title of best Robin, some would say he is the best.
Drake getting cooked in a video about Damian Wayne being the worst Robin (I agree), might be the funniest thing to come out of that whole beef
It's not like I hate Damian but they tried to push him on the audience sooo much to the point I ended up hating him in every batman movie he was the main character in the teen titans movie he was the main character he acted just because he was Batman's son he is superior even in the comics he had his own robin comics and teen titans and super sons he had a super sons movie hell even in the new upcoming batman movie he is the robin like they tried to give his own Arkham game which they cancelled because they saw how much people didn't rock with him Damian is a fine character but just because he is Batman's biological son doesn't mean he has to take the center stage everytime
They didn't push Damian in the comics. Even Tim had his own Robin comic, Teen Titans and Young Justice comics, all which.
Damian doesn't take the center stage, that's just in the dcamu. Dc tried to ruin him outright try to turn him into a terrorist and gave him suicide vest once....
@@huntertezz that's the dumbest take I have ever heard Damian heard Damian at one point had 3 comics all at the same time in comparison red hood had none nightwing had 2 and Tim had 0 sooo don't play dumb with me and the terrorist one was one chapter and it was a bluff to Stop Jason which he failed at
@@freedomprice9173 Didn't Red Hood have Outlaws?
Tim had 0 at the time but I meant even he had 3 comics at the same time back when he was Robin. Its not a big deal sheesh 😅.
When I meant the terrorist thing I am talking about 5G. Dc wanted to make Damian the big villain and lead Leviathan.
@@freedomprice9173 Also when did Damian have 3 comics at the same time? His two solo series happened before and after supersons and teen titans.
Never on the same time.
Damian was not even in the main Batman book at the time.
@@huntertezz yeah red hood's ONLY book was the outlaws and Tim got his those comics after he was accepted unlike Damian where people were still on the gray yet he had three comics at the same time dcau movies super sons movie he was the only robin active in both injustice 1 and 2 so yeah you could see how much they pushed that boy
A major reason I don’t care for Damian because of how big of a push there is for him over other robin you said it yourself where’s the Tim love and I’d love to see more Jason as a young robin as well. This is coming from a huge robin fan dick Grayson is my favorite superhero of all time
He didn't get a big push outside of the cartoon. Infact Dc tried to ruin him and was even bit a racist with his writing. They tried to turn him the middle eastern kid into a terrorist with a suicide vest.
@@huntertezz I mean robin in general doesn’t get a push but overall whenever we see robin 9 outta 10 times it him
@@RodoFoolboyTV Yeah but its not really because they want to push him.
I think its just because Damian is more marketable than Tim as "son of Batman"
Also I think Dc realized Dick and Jason are just way better as Nightwing and Redhod insted of Robin.
Every other character is more popular once they stop being Robin
Not gonna lie I don’t think Damian should be on par with slade or even drake
That’s what I’m saying 💀
Tim was the perfect DRAKE. Quack. Quack.
Bro what?
Damian has more training than slade or drak could ever get and you think he shouldn't be on their level?
@@lianyu4849brother in Christ deathstrock has faced off with the entirety of the titans and wins
Damien in Deceased was my favorite by far. Watching his relationship with John after everything was going to hell was beautiful.
I like Damian, but a large part of why I like him is that he IS the fourth installment of the robins (not to disrespect any of the ladies who have taken up the mantle, I just haven’t seen really seen any of the works that feature them in the robin role, so I don’t feel qualified to talk about them). Damian being the youngest and most difficult to connect with after two successful robins and one controversial one is kind of the hook for me? And I’m really hoping that in the Harley Quinn show at least, we’re going to find out that the other two robins have already come and gone from the role, since that show does seem to be set later in the DC timeline.
7:26 Bro stole Dick's hairstyle too, what a menace.
Damian seems to get along with Nightwing and sees him as a brother, even though tim and Jason didn't like him at first. In the later movies, Damian learns to respect others and was less bratty and arrogant to other heroes which was good character development
Damien is my favorite Robin😂
Same with me
Same man, but I like all of the robins a lot.
Same
Facts. Idk why people hate on him. I mean yeah he was garbage in injustice but that’s the only adaptation I can think of where he’s trash, every where else, he’s a good character.
MINE TOO Why do they hate hime so much he is a great character concept with unlimited potential. at this point i want him to be in his own comic without the batfamily because of the hatred
1:37 This is the case of a first appearence that doesn't show the best version of the character, and oh boy was that a rough start
To be fair, Injustice was when Damien was truly introduce to the mainstream DC normie audience - which did not leave a good impression about him on fans. The Injustice stench still follows Damien to this day and it's been an uphill battle since for Damien to get any positive fan support or positive portrayal
I honestly didn't know he was so disliked. I started watching these movies just because of him and he is my favorite character. Then I came across the movie "Super Sons" and I really liked his relationship with Jonathan and so I read all the comics I found with them.These are the first comics I've read in their entirety. The only thing,it is sad is that there are no more films and series about them. In general, I am surprised by such dislike for this boy.
I hate Damien because it was clear from the start that the growth they were "giving" to dick and tim after bruce died was not going to stay, and that this kid was going to stay on a robin. Tim earned it, Damian didn't. And tim has never recovered from that
Tim was the perfect DRAKE. Quack. Quack.
Awesome video
I don’t know if you have but could you do a video on the Underrated GOAT that is Cassandra Cain and how she’s interacts with the batfam
😅
Cass is fine , not the best
He is literally my favorite and in my opinion the most interesting Robin. He was the best thing about the DCAU especially his portrayal in Batman vs Robin and the teen Titans movies. However, his worst enemy is bad writing because they reverse his character development all the time.
My biggest gripe with Damian as Robin even tho I love him is that sometimes it just doesn’t make sense timeline wise. Like how is Damian Robin and Barbra is his batgirl counterpart when it should be stef in my opinion. Not only is it erasing other robins but batgirls too.
Barbara is not his batgirl counterpart😂. His Batgirl is Stephanie.
Its stupid to blame Damian for that batgirls when its clear he has nothing to do with it. Its just Dc's obsession with regressing Barbara and keeping her as Batgirl instead of letting her be Oracle.
Tim's my favorite, but I acknowledge he'll never be featured in live action. I think I've heard comics creators say how difficult it is explaining to today's audiences how Bruce Wayne keeps acquiring young boys to fight crime.
Saying Dick's his adopted son? That works. Saying Batman has a son? That works. Saying Batman found a kid on the streets or his neighbor's son just shows up on his doorstep and decides to train them to fight crime? Harder for audiences to buy. I get that it's comics and I'm cool with it, but movie crowds probably won't get it. It sucks.
Tim was an adoption case too, so was Jason, and Tim's the only one of the adopted Robins who does change his name to Tim Wayne...around the time of Infinite Crisis.
@@Superlad9494 Oh I didn't realize they'd been officially adopted! That's cool. Also means there's a chance I might see Tim get the spotlight... eventually. But I did hear something about DC testing out Maps (from Gotham Academy) as a new Robin recently, so maybe not ☹
Found your RUclips channel recently and you’re killing it. Every video is a straight banger. Love the content bro.
Tim is THE middle chuld of all times no room for discussion 😂
Am pretty sure in universe considering how Dc Tim crunch works bro probably got whooped by Cass Jason And Damian around the same time span or something
2:44 I’m pretty sure this version of Damian was my first introduction to the character (but not that specific movie, I first saw him in Batman vs Robin if I remember correctly) but I don’t remember finding him annoying, granted this was before I really knew much about Batman lore…if anything I personally think the dynamic with -mostly Batman- is interesting.
All that said, I love how the lineup of ribbons is basically:
Dick- the golden child
Jason- the edgelord
Tim- …exists
Damian- the problem child
Why do people hate on Damian when that’s his character what else do they want him to be?
Exactly. The kid was raised to be the ultimate heir to his grandfather Ra's Al Ghul in the League of Assassins. Talia left him under Bruce's protection, fearing that Deathstroke would go after her son.
@@chazarcola7639 yea people hating on him for doing what his character is meant to do it makes no sense. They hate him cause his arrogant and bashful that’s the whole point good characters are not perfect especially ones that were raised like that
Tim is always overlooked and Dick is perpetually nerfed…
My favorite robins in order, Dick, Damian, Jason, and Tim. Plus I love the brotherly interaction between Dick and Damian
There is no robin that has Todd as a first name,do you mean Tim?
@@GokhanAras-pj1mm I corrected the mistake
DAMIAN WAYNE is a Shakespearean tragic hero. Reminiscent of two legendary epic characters :
1. MORDRED Prince of Camelot forever torn between his father King Arthur ( Batman ) and
his mother Morgana La Fey (Talia ).
2. OCTAVIAN CAESAR, the heir of Julius Caesar ( Ras Al Ghul ) and the son of his grand niece
Atia Of The Julii ( Talia ).
Quite the analysis 👌 😊
Injustice was my intro to Damian Wayne. Around that time, I got a job, started buying comics again. I wondered "Comic Damian can't be as bad as Injustice Damian". At first, he was, then I read his adventures with Grayson and Born to Kill. Great stories. My goodness, I cried when he died. Cried more when Bruce revived him.
I love Damien yall trippin second best robin
he is growing and learning and his fav person is alfred...
Have you see the one in Batman DeCeased, where he takes on Batman’s mantle
I've never been a Damien fan. Biased, because Tim is my favorite, and once Damien came on to the scene, Tim just disappeared/DC forgot he existed
I liked Damian in Super Sons. Loved the dynamic between him and Jon, and seeing Bruce and Clark having to deal with their kids' shenanigans.
I do hate damian on one hand especially when he got alred killed but on the other hand he and other characters serve as a foil to one another. I havent read anything after Dark knights metal but im pretty sure he's starting to lighten up now and i think he has a girlfirend named flatline.
Damian did have development over the years. And DC and WB really pushed him to be the main Robin.
Wish Jon Kent have all that growth and development but nah, Bendis and Tom Taylor got their hands on Jon.
But Battle of the Super Son was a good movie.
0:57 I read this comic call Robins by Tim Seeley. There was a hypothetical/what-if-scenario, of what if Batman’s Robins didn’t meet Batman. If Damian Wayne never met Batman, he’ll become a peaceful Monk. Does that make any sense? If Damian Never met Batman he would mostly like become Ra’s Al Ghul’s successor and new leader of league of Shadow. The Bat family gave Damian a moral compass.
7:31 Yeah The Teen Titans were trapped in the Phantom Zone but injustice 2 issue 37, Batman and Plastic Man helped the titans escape. But Sadly after they escaped. Tim was murdered by Zod. That really sucks. But it was cool that Connor took up the Superman mantle. I think Connor and Cassie went into the future with Legion of Superheroes.
6:36 I hate Teen Jon Kent more than Injustice Damian. The last interaction that Teen Jon had with Damian, Teen Jon said go back to Alfred. *This dumb mother-f*¢ker doesn’t know Alfred is dead in Injustice universe at that time.* Alfred was revive until Injustice 2 comics by Damian.
Remember Adventure of Jon Kent takes place before the first Injustice video game. It Most likely take place between Injustice year 4 and year 5 comics.
So After Jon told Damian to go see Alfred but Damian didn’t do that until he and Superman regime lost? And Damian is still loyal to Superman’s Regime.
Teen Jon Kent is stupid.
7:12 True. And Cassandra didn’t get adaptions until that birds of prey movie, but kid is only Cassandra by Name nothing else.
I blame WB have their put their *over-reliance* on Barbara Gordon. Thus making Barbara Gordon an overrated character. It is true.
Yeah that comic was pretty weird, we all know if the robins didn’t meet Bruce: Dick would’ve been in jail out of anger of killing his parents killer. Bruce was the one who taught him Justice, Not Vengeance; Jason would’ve died on the streets as a kid let’s be honest; Tim would’ve took over Drake industries; Damian would’ve became the next demons head
Let’s be honest the birds of prey girl was Stephanie. Legit Stephanie’s personality, Stephanie’s recklessness, and even down to Steph’s connection to Black Mask. Why they couldn’t just name her Stephanie Brown, I’ll never understand why
Damien works great as a dynamic character. He starts as an annoying brat, who then can go through a character arc to become a hero, shedding his flaws. But when the storytelling is put in the hands of a corporation instead of a good storyteller, they just amalgamate all of their qualities regardless of place in the arc and you end up with all of the skills and status of their final version mixed up with all of the negative qualities they were supposed to have overcome to earn those skills and status
Thank you 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 😎. I can't help but agree with everything you've said here.
The dcmu was also my introduction to Damian, and he ranges from tolerable like in Bat Blood to insufferable like Justice League vs Teen Titans.
It would be one thing if we are supposed to dislike the character. However, those dcmu movies feel like they want you to like him and see his growth, but I feel like that growth never really came despite me waiting for it.
In addition, when people defend this character they either do so by mentioning his backstory or finding his behavior cute. To which I and others respond with a resounding: his background explains him but doesn't excuse his actions, and no one IRL would find this behavior cute 🤔.
Therefore, instead of rooting for Damian to become the next Robin we are instead eager to see him get his face blown off by blue beetle or get his butt whooped by Deathstroke.
Lastly, you brought up Injustice and honestly the animated film version is where I actually like Damian. There he regrets killing Nightwing accidentally and shows a lot more respect to his father and is likable. Similarly, I found him likable in Batman vs Ninja Turtles where they balance him being a kid and a warrior well.
Those examples show that this character can be done right, as opposed to versions like the injustice 2 game where you don't blame Batman for disowning him. Speaking of which at 4:39 Batman could have easily been like "you weren't an accident, your mother drugged and r*** me to bring you here" 🤨.
Damian Wayne: I swear, Father! I swear, I swear! I was brainwashed by the League of Assassins! Bruce Wayne: Oh, you're right.
I read a fanfiction crossover of Harry Potter\Batman where Harry is related to BOTH Bruce Wayne AND Tony Stark and after discovering his relation to them, sends both a letter asking for help to get him out of the Tri-Wizard Tournament. In THIS story Nightwing (Dick Grayson) AND the other three kids Bruce had, yes including Damian lived together as a family. The boys working together (along with Peter Parker) even easily came to the conclusion Harry was being abused. Even though the story wasn't and still isn't finished it was great watching then work together in their own way and keeping roughly with their personalities (Damian went about things more roughly-like a bull in a china store-than the others) to try and find out what he was hiding and try and 'make friends' with him.
3:30 this scene lives in my head rent free
I rly liked the solo Damian run and the current Batman and Robin run is goated just cause 13 to 16 Damian is when he’s at his best, maybe it’s cause I’m 16 so I kinda relate to him but I like Damian in both of those series
Nightwing is fun to read but Jason is a much better character and Tim is THE best protoge for Batman and easily my fevourite Robin. Damian is ace too. Gets a bad rap. I really have different ideas if what is good than you. So much so that I really can't stand watching your videos anymore.
I clearly had something confused because I was pretty sure Dick was Robin in more than the DCAU, Teen Titans, and Young Justice... but it obviously wasn't the DCAMU. Anyway, he's still my favorite ROBIN AND I like him as Nightwing.
Someone was saying in a Robin Hot Takes/Unpopular Opinions video that almost everyone's favorite Robin was Tim. Doesn't matter if you prefer Nightwing as a character, you probably like Tim as Robin most. And I was trying to say how that really wasn't true since I'm basically an animation fan, not a comic fan, and basically every Robin I like was Dick. (Or a bit of a composite, like you could argue Teen Titans Robin was, since he used Tim's no staff, and arguably kinda became Red Hood (Red X) like Jason for a bit. (I can't quite remember but Red X may have been a thing before Jason Red Hood was?)
Anyway, regardless, he becomes Nightwing. He's Dick. Dick is my favorite Robin.
6:08 dude that was an accident and yo should learn to forgive him
DC doesn't know what that want to do with Tim. Because everything that made Tim special and standout, they gave it to Damian. Tim was Robin, now it's Damian. Tim had the BEST relationship with Superboy. They made Jon Kent and gave it to Damian. They took away Tim's identity of "Red Robin" but didn't give him anything else to grow into/replace it with. Now all Tim has is being the one dating a boy. And thats not much to go off of in terms of making an interesting character that people want to read
Damian ain’t no joke. But you must understand he’s young and learning. He was programmed one way and is now being rewritten . He does care about his Dad. I enjoy him.
What's Damian Wayne Robin like compared to when Jason Todd Red Hood was Robin? What would happen if he teamed up with Azrael?
When Jason was a robin he was actually a very nice kid he followed Batman's rule he was seen as someone who loves literature he was see as talent as dick as said by batman he was a great robin unfortunately a certain writer didn't like the idea of robin so he was getting shoved to the sidelines and eventually killed by the joker and unfortunately DC decided to paint him as a bad robin even tho canonically he wasn't really that bad
Contrary to popular belief, Jason was actually pretty well-adjusted. He really only lost his cool a couple times during his run. The first was with Two-Face, who he recently learned murdered his father. And the second was when a serial rapist got off scot-free due to diplomatic immunity and tormented his victim into taking her own life just for kicks.
I also wish they would age him up more. Maybe do a time skip where he’s 19 and we see him with a cool new suit or maybe there would be an official series of Damian Wayne being Batman(not Batman 666). But his suit as Batman was awesome.
Bro when Superman set up Alfred's death and Damian goes off. Then he cares for him saying that Alfred was the one who taught him humility. Injustice was so gas