Can`t agree with your conclusions. The majority of the Nikon users HAVE a bunch of lenses they can continue to use with the adapter until the want or can replace them with Z-mount lenses. I tested the full Sigma Art Lineup and the work just fine. If have tested all more modern Nikon lenses and they work just great. I use both worlds, the Nikon D500 and D850 plus the Z7 and those three are just doing an excellent job together...
Sorry but I'm not the only one making this conclusion although I have tested over 30 lenses over the past 4 weeks... but please do Not take my word for it have a look at matt grangers testing for more proof ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html Also think about how old your "F" mount glass is in some cases it's was made in 2005 and 2006 The focus motors were much slower back then I will stand by my conclusion and let everyone know if they have a ton of "F" mount glass and think that the new FTZ adaptor is going to make their glass just as fast on the new Nikon "Z" as the New SUPER FAST "S" Glass they are wrong The new Technolgy of the New "S" glass for the "Z" camera is super fast and quite best regards, Rick
Hmm, yes, they are doable, but from the perspective of a newcomer Z system is not appealing at all, this was a major point of Rick. In this perspective, Nikon is just fighting to somehow keep the Nikon loyal community as much as possible. They should have made the gigantic FTZ adapter with screw driver motor to keep support the excellent AF-D lens line. When Sony released full-frame E mount, they made not less than four adapters, two of them had the screw driver motor to support all Minolta A-mount lenses ever made. Now, with this FTZ adapter, Nikon silently announced: guys sell your all AF-D lenses until not too late.
I don’t get the surprise with the noise the F mount glass makes? They are and always have been mechanical motor driven lenses. That’s why the new z glass is such a welcome addition for Nikon users.
The Z-mounts are also mechanical. Hate to disappoint you. Ultrasonic vs stepper - these are both types or electric motor and both have mechanical parts.
Why use legacy lenses? Well that’s a dumb question, Rick: because we like those lenses, because we don’t have the money to buy new ones, and because they don’t exist for the new mount in the first place! And legacy Nikkor just work amazingly well with the FTZ adapter, like all reviewers have acknowledged.
So you're agreeing with me? I said I love my legacy glass and have reviewed the Nikon 80mm f/1.4 from the 1980's....... it's awesome ruclips.net/video/QeOHgFB8_IY/видео.html Thanks for commenting but maybe you misunderstood and should watch my video to the end where I say i love adapting old Legacy glass Regards, Rick
Thanks for video, noises in f mount af-s lens and speed etc are a function of the lens same as it was on dslrs- nothing to do with the Ftz as it’s a pass through adapter does not influence the behaviours
I LOVE MY FTZ ADAPTER. works great for me. Saved me a ton of money using Sony, Canon Lens on my Z bodies. HELL YES USE THE ADAPTERS. Nikon Z bodies can fit all lens.
Rick , Sony also had an adapter for their A mount glass to work on FE amount . Also Nikon F lenses work very well with the FTZ adapters . I think you’re being a little too exaggerated in your assessment . Yes the adapted lenses may be a tad noisier . However , they work more that just fine . Lastly if you’re going to show focus breathing of the adapted lenses maybe you should demonstrate what they look like before being adapted .
Hey don't take my word for it Go look at someone that has been a nikon shooter all his life matt granger has come to the same conclusion look Here ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html Not all Nikon lenses work so good on the FTZ adaptor but if you would like to go test for yourself 30 lenses like I have over the last 4 weeks then please do so Regards, Rick
Roll on 4 years and with 1 the newer cameras, 2 the firmware updates means something completely different. I've a D850 D700 F6 F100 and a Z6ii and a heap of the Nikon AFS and G lenses and I haven't got a problem with them adapted to the Z6ii, ok the native Z lenses are quite and fast but, not by much certainty bot to bother me.
If I understand your messaging, for $250, I can continue to use the $7K worth of lenses I already have instead of having to immediately drop thousands more to get what I already have? It’s not faster and it’s not quieter? Ok, seems like a good deal.
I felt intrigued by your video so I just had to check it out. You speak your mind and that's really refreshing to see on RUclips. I have a set of new APSC lenses but I use the FTZ adapter for old manual lenses.
You can not compare the sound made by an F-mound AF-S lens to the sound made by any Z-mount lens. The new Z-mount use an auto-focus similar to the newer AF-P system which is both quieter and faster focusing. I believe Nikon only made 4 different F-mount AF-P lenses so if your lens was noisy when auto focusing it will still be noise on a Z-mount camera. Otherwise thanks for a great video.
They also focus slower and don't take advantage of the newer focusing software of the camera Also, they use Twin Stepper motors in both the new "Z" lens and"Sony" lenses Thanks for commenting Heres another great video to watch ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Thanks for your comments and suggestions I am on old dude with no experience in front of the camera My channel is only a year old and I'm trying but this is me and how I talk and I'm not going to be fake or make a bunch of Skip jumps...............sorry
Hai sir I really appreciate your opinion on not buying the old f mount glass to the new z mount camera 👍 I am facing the same problem having purchased… Wynette returning the old glass and switch to native one🤗
I think, It's because their first generation, be patient, give them several years to grow and make it better in the future. By the end, I think all cameras will be electronic without any mirror like the Z9.
I hate having to use the FTZ adapter but no choice. I feel like Nikon is semi holding Z owners hostage. We cant get a Z mount lens from Sigma or Tamron and we have to wait forever for a core lens lineup. The 24-70 F4 is great. The 2.8 is even better but aside from the 50/35 1.8 releases the only other lens that matters is that 70-200 2.8 and the 85 1.8. Personally, I could care less about the Noct lens. Most of us would be more impressed if they got a 105 1.4 z mount out or more 1.4 lens out in general. Canon is already putting out 1.2s! If Nikon wants to boast about the capabilities of the new mount then prove it. But don’t ask Z owners to buy the same lenses twice.
Interesting video. With Canon, the EF lenses respond as good as, and in some cases faster than they do on the DSLRs. Canon also has the same sized lens mount on the EOS R-series cameras as it had on the DSLRs (EF and EF-s mount). They changed the mount and number of electrical contacts, but the physical diameter remains unchanged. The big advantage of the newer native lenses is the new optical designs with better edge-to-edge sharpness.
@@rickvestuto Wow, how many cameras do you have? Lol. I only discovered your channel recently and it has a nice vibe about it. Keep up the good work. 🙂
Canon has a poor autofocus. I have a Canon M50 and the autofocus is very inaccurate when you focus on small details (despite using the 10x loupe), I tried multiple M50 cameras, not comparable with a modern DSLR. Furthermore the autofocus nearly doesn't work at all with the 15-45mm in not good light conditions. The autofocus is definitely the worst thing about the Canon M50. In a store I tried an Eos RP and an M6 II and they seem to have similar accuracy issues. Surprisingly the M6 I is more accurate.
I agree in that if you already own high-end Nikon systems like the D850 With high end glass, there's no real value in switching to the Z-system and adapting the glass. That being said, I am not so sure the difference between Z and F Mount glass in terms of Focus speed (comparing native Z on a Z6/7 to adapted F on Z6/7) is that noticable. Noise is an obvious difference, although the native Z glass is not 100% silent either. I own the 24-70 F4 native Z lens and an F Mount Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2. In terms of Focus speed the difference not Clear, and in some cases the tamron lens was faster. It does have more noise, but not to the point where it bothers me. Does not matter to me when taking Pictures. Now just to be Clear, this is my point of view as a hobbyist. And i will continue adapting lenses, that i know work well on the Z system, even if they are not 100% on par With the native lenses. Simply because there is a lot of Money to save. And since i am no Professional, i like to save where i can. Based on the price of the 24-70 2.8S I guestimate that i have saved at least 50%, probably a little more on buying the Tamron 2.8 70-200 G2 compared to the Nikon 70-200 2.8S when it is released some time in the future. And for my use, it is more than capable and gives great results.
As a quick response is In general newer technology is much faster than older wouldn't you agree? Especially since now we have "DUAL" focusing motors instead of the older single focusing motors that were and still, are much slower But don't take my word for it Look at some of Matt Grangers reviews on the Nikon Z adaptor Thanks for your comments Regards, Rick
Hi Rick, agree with you about the noise from the F-mount 24-70, it was fine for stills but for video a real issue. With my 70-200 not an issue because I use it for stills and mainly static subjects. It really shows ho Nikon has thought about the lenses in parallel with the hybrid nature of the Z series. Ultimately all the Nikon F-mount f2.8 lenses and the Z-mount f4/2.8 lenses have great IQ. Cheers
I totally agree with you on the IQ I'm just trying to show how may people might be thinking that they would buy the "Z" cameras thinking that they would buy older "F" mount glass and I'm not sure that's such a good idea as far as Noise and Slow auto Focusing on some older F mount glass Matt Granger has a perfect example on the issues using the FTZ adapter and F mount glass here ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html best regards, rick
And just for reference The Sony FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS is a premium, constant maximum aperture full-frame (FE) telephoto zoom lens for the Sony E-mount, announced by Sony on February 3, 2016 that's almost 3 years later from the first alpha camera in 2013
Just some advice I really wouldent make fun of or call people names that are probably the majority of your followers. But I digress so I hope you have a good day and wonderful Christmas.
no these are NOT my followers These are people that don't even have the camera or the 30 lenses I borrowed to make this Honest review..... I have proof about this and that's why I shared it. but I'm not the only one sharing about this Better men than me have proved the same thing. See Here: ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html The video is about how slow and loud older lenses are and it only makes sense that a 10-year-old lens using old stepper motors to focus would do poorly aginst a brand new lens with New technology. It's nice to have subscribers but I will not be fake or change who I am to gian subscribers like every other RUclipsr I'm not looking for fame or money I do this for fun for ME Regards, rick
Well, first of all, its a mirrorless camera. Meaning, if it does not have access to the polarity profile of the lens for whatever reason it will use contrast based focusing. In order to get to maximum per pixel contrast it needs to pass it in order to be able to measure it. Then the focusing motor reverses to the last known maximum contrast position. During that reverse it has to fight a lot of momentum. The focusing mechanisms of older lenses are not built to do that, they are heavy. And they are also noisy ... like 90% of al lenses regardless of the body or time they where released. That being said, lens profiles and compatibility is still being worked on. So .. now its 2021, maybe in 2023 we'll get the improvements for discontinued glass. Or ... it did already, I bought mine with the 1.1 update already on the adaptor (let me know if there where some measurable changes from 1.0 to 1.1 of the F lenses). I started to use manual focus again (lets face it, mirrorless probably has another decade to go to get to the speed of DSLR) which is way more fun than just "waiting" and/or "throwing away perfectly useable glass". No need to make the video so edgy. Unless you are farming views and comments. In that case .. GJ. Also, that "for mirrorless" add buzz of the lenses is essentially the speed and weight of the focusing mechanism.
The bottom line is : Older glass is old technology and will never have fast quiet twin Servos have a look at the GOD of Nikon reviews here: ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html Thanks for your Long comment regards, rick
All F mount lenses are subject to noise due to the MECHANICAL AF ring. The FTZ only connects the Z-body to an F lens. The FTZ cannot cut out noise from F lenses. Before, a Nikon camera just took STILL IMAGES, Nikon didn't care about the noise and nobody noticed it. As many competitors added VIDEO to the camera, Nikon had to follow. Then people noticed how loud the F lens was when they took the video. With the Z mount, Nikon has eliminated the MECHANICAL AF ring. Less moving parts, less noise. The more expensive Z lenses, Nikon already offers the DIGITAL AF display. The cheaper Z lenses, don't have any more AF rings.
the "cricket noise " is typical from afs motor it will not act differently on a dslr. Got the 300mm f4 afs D on my d750 makes a lot of noise ( at least much than canon )
@@rickvestuto yeah definitively much than canon usm, it's a problem, using that on the z6 not much noise but animals can from time to time ear the noise!
I don't get what you meean by Nikon lied about the FTZ adapter? I do hope they come out with a version 3 of the FTZ that has a built in motor for those who wants to adapt old F glass. Yes, F-mount lenses are noisier. No news there. They are equally noisy on a DSLR. Keep in mind that a lot of F glass was made before or just when video became a thing and Nikon DSLR are not known for being good video cameras (they use only contrast detection). Hence, noisy lenses are not an issue shooting pictures. Even now 4 yrs later after you made this video the Z glass is super expensive compared to older F glass. Many say the Z glass is better but I'd still say the F glass is just as good as it's always been so I really don't see a problem getting used F glass and use that on the Z mount. I am not made of money, that is for damn sure.
Thanks Rick Hmmm, well I thought you were going to comment on the Nikon site intimating that: "On a Z camera with the Mount Adapter FTZ, compatible F-Mount NIKKOR lenses retain all of their sharpness and superb rendering power. Plus, they gain so much-smooth, fast Hybrid-AF*, silent shooting, breakthrough low-light performance, the benefits of in-camera VR image stabilization when used with Z cameras that feature in-camera VR and more." Nice, except for the omission that older F mount lenses will not Auto Focus. Thank you Nikon. I prefer older clean glass....that's just me. I fully intend to buy into their Z lenses....but that little omission is just another reason why they drive me crazy sometimes. Don't get me wrong, they all do that.
I hear ya..... The community is now saying two things #1 that the 24-70 "Z" mount f2.8 is the sharpest lens to date #2 That the "Z" Mount is the most versital mount on the planet because it is the closest to the sensor. you can even mount Canon RF glass to the "Z" bodies Thanks for your comments best regards, rick
@@fjphoto23 No where or at NO point did I say that manual focus or retro lenses don't work All I am saying is that old auto focus lenses with One stepper motor are slow and load compared to the NEW Native lenses of the "Z" Mount I Love using Retro Lenses on my Nikon and I even made a video about it Thanks for your comments Best regards, Rick
Budget, having old glass, waiting for new versions of the lenses you love? Tons of reasons to use the FTZ, yes it wouldnt make sense to buy a brand new F mount if there is a Z mount len, but thats not what majority of people are doing. Not sure what the point if this video was
Some of us have had to scrimp and save to buy a decent camera system, only for Nikon to abandon Us to survival economics and market share. I bought into the brand BECAUSE of Nikons reputation for backward compatibility in their lenses. The more important question for me is how long will they support my existing cameras and lenses?
LMAO "Getting Kick Backs" What an idiot Yeah, I make soooo much money with 1600 subs....LMMAO you know that this video is 4 years old right? Did you bother to read any of the comments? Typical Gen Z'r If you can't afford new lenses then by all means don't buy them but it's a proven fact that older lenses are much slower and clunkier than the new ones.... But hey don't listen to me... Go do your research (if you're able to....LMAO) and listen to a PRO like Matt Granger here: ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Hi Rick , thanks for the video. I also have Sony mirrorless and Nikon dslr . I am wondering which will be right way to choose for telephoto Nikon lenses , Ftz adapter or Sony to Nikon adapters ?
Sony makes a motorized adapter to enable autofocus usage with older lenses. .. unfortunately, Nikon decide to abandon all their AF-D lenses with the FTZ by not making a motorized version for autofocus
Sorry but I do NOT agree with your review. I own the Nikon Z9 and have used the FTZ adapter with the following Nikon F glass: the 105mm f.4ED, the Nikon 35mm f1.4G and even the Nikon 200mm f2.0 and ALL of them worked flawlessly with the Nikon FTZ adapter. Autofocus was just as fast as with a native Z mount lens. The current crop of Nikon lenses are very cheaply made and aesthetics do count for something (See Manny Ortiz’s review and why he sent back all his Nikon Z glass) People want their gear to be complimented on, especially when they spend so much money. When the CONFUSING roll out of the cheap and plasticky Nikon Z35mm f1.4 happened recently on the heels of the higher quality Nikon Z35mm f1.8S lens, followed by the same pattern with their higher quality Z50mm f1.8S and later their cheaper plasticky Z50mm f1.4 lens, I COULD EASILY have saved $1200 and bought the Z35mm f1.4 but instead purchased the Nikon AF S35mm f1.4G lens for $1700 and the FTZ adapter for another $300 Have you ever seen what their Z50mm f1.2 lens looks like? What sane photographer would want to walk around with a torpedo like that?!!! A 50mm lens is an everyday lens! Even their Z85mm f1.2 and their Z135mm f1.8 Plena (I have owned both and sold them almost immediately) have so much plastic on the barrel and are beasts in their own right. Imagine being at a restaurant with friends and family and you pull out the Nikon Z50mm f1.2. Suddenly it becomes a photo shoot and not everyone is comfortable with that. People don’t want the spotlight on them!! This is why there are so many adapters cropping up for people to be able to use Canon, Sony and Nikon F glass on the Nikon Z cameras. I can’t speak for the other third party adapters but I can tell you for sure that the Nikon FTZ adapter works like a charm!
I am disapointment to see you speaking right into an opened lensmount of the Nikon. That means you most certainly did put some drops of your breath at the sensor!
...this 'review' felt like one of those hilariously over-the-top late-night commercials, where the poor, hapless soul-who somehow can’t even manage to open a jar or hold a spoon-stumbles through life as if basic motor skills were a distant dream. Then, as if by some divine intervention, the 'miracle' (and most certainly scummy!) product swoops in to save the day, transforming them from utterly hopeless to suspiciously competent... almost like it’s too good to be true. But then again, as always, it most certainly is..!
Serious question -- Is there even one single usable 16-35mm F2.8 that does not have loud clicking motor problems with FTZ? Or is there even one usable 18mm F2.8 prime on the whole system that does not have loud clicking motor problems with FTZ? I'm doing video work. What lens am I supposed to use? I have 0 options.
Agreed That's why I can ONLY recommend For the Nikon "Z" system...... The native lenses are the only way to go They are so much faster than the older lenses too Best regards, rick
@@rickvestuto I'm perfectly willing to buy Z lenses, but the lens selection is extremely limited! The only wide angle zoom is F4. And there's no primes below 24mm. I'm coming from Sony E-Mount where we have hundreds of lenses now.
@@zyxyuv1650 Agreed but don't forget that Nikon is coming out with the 20mm F1.8 next month and the 85mm f/1.8 in two months Then the 14-24 f/2.8 in the first quorter of 2020 I just bought the 24-70 F/2.8 and it's a fantastic lens for what i do Be patience my friend all will be good in 2020 for sure Will you be sending in your Z6 to get the upgrade for the ProRes RAW?
First of all Sony produced the first alpha in October 2013 at first they had only a few lenses and lots of bugs, they are now a very solid camera brand.... I prefer to have just a few Nikon z lenses that works instead a bunch with many bugs... I do have a Z6 and use my D and old manual lenses I'll m combination and never a problem.... You have to take in consideration that a brand need to evolve and that take time is not a over night process, so far even with the OMG noise that the G lenses produce I have not find a problem when I print a picture that is what's matter.. IMO Nikon has done a good job even giving for free the ftz
@@leniehulse1621 no, I got it free at Samys camera, sometimes they give free hard drive with purchase if you talk to the guys you can exchange the hard drive for ftz or some promos come with free ftz, I got mine on black Friday, no taxes free ftz, similar promos on adorama and other big authorized retailers...
Yes the Sigma's are much faster but that's because there newer than the older nikon "G" glass that was produced in the 1990's Thanks for commenting More testing need to be done
All my F-mount lenses work flawlessly with the FTZ adapter. Even my 70-200 with 2X teleconverter functions as well as with my D-800. Of course the F-mount lenses are not as quiet as the Z-mount due to different motors that are less-advanced than the Z-mount. That's nothing to do with the FTZ. Your title is misleading and inaccurate.
Not misleading at all If you don't believe me then maybe you will believe a NIKON ambassador "MATT GRANGER" Watch this ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html You're just used to SLOW GLASS
Maybe you have lost the point, the adapter is thought for those who already have many Nikon 'old' lenses, and that is all good. Nobody buys a new f lens for the z mouth camera.
And that was the point If I had a bunch of OLD "F" mount glass I wouldn't switch to the Nikon "Z" because the adapted glass is so much slower and louder on the adapter you're better off staying with "F" mount cameras and just upgrade you camera to a D5 or D850 Thanks for your comments regards, Rick
@@rotvonrat Please don't take my word for it Look to someone that has been a Nikon shooter all his life Matt Granger confirms everything I just said in his video here: ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html so you see they don't work fine but hey what do I know why don't you go test 20 to 30 Nikon lenses and see what you think I just tested about 30 lenses over the last 4 weeks..........lmao Regards, Rick
@@rickvestuto You are totally right. The prices of Nikon DSLRs are dropping like stone in water, an excellent condition used D750 can be had for half price as just one modern lens Nikon Z lens. Nikon Z just gave the last stab to the Nikon DSLR line.
This video definately cleared my mind as i have the D750 Nikon with 6 different lenses and i wanted to upgrade to the Z7 but my concern was the atapding of my existing glass. And also, the very expensive memory cards on the Z7. So not upgrading now is a good idea.
@@VioletHenning I had said the words D7500 and meant to say D750 The D750 is a great camera and you probably have some awesome glass for it At this time since you have the D750 I feel that there is no reason to buy a "Z" camera Your D750 will be awesome for at least another 2 years and by that time Nikon will or will not have their ducks in a row and then I would tell you to jump over to the "Z" just like it took Sony 3 or 4 years to get it right now it will take Nikon and Canon the same but for a First Gen camera I feel Nikon is pretty close on it's first attempt Thanks for commenting and your support Best regards, Rick
Agreed. If you are happy with taking pictures with your DSLR - stick with the DSLR - and skip the Mirrorless. If you take pictures... stick with the DSLR! If I was going out to take pictures, I would still take out my D7100. But I got the Z6 for video and I am realizing that - for video - I am sticking with (or stuck with) the new Z lenses. Since I expect to do a lot of work in Post using artificial light (that I have complete control over) the slower lenses are fine... of good enough.
Dont take my word for it Go watch a great youtube and see what he says dumb ass You really should know what your taking about before you make a post like this........ Matt Grangers FTZ review here: ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
LMFAO.........OK ??? But, Hey..... don't take my word for it Ever heard of "Matt Granger" ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html bet you feel stupid now................he he
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Thanks for your support
Best regards, Rick
Can`t agree with your conclusions. The majority of the Nikon users HAVE a bunch of lenses they can continue to use with the adapter until the want or can replace them with Z-mount lenses. I tested the full Sigma Art Lineup and the work just fine. If have tested all more modern Nikon lenses and they work just great. I use both worlds, the Nikon D500 and D850 plus the Z7 and those three are just doing an excellent job together...
Sorry but I'm not the only one making this conclusion although I have tested over 30 lenses over the past 4 weeks...
but please do Not take my word for it
have a look at matt grangers testing for more proof
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Also think about how old your "F" mount glass is in some cases it's was made in 2005 and 2006
The focus motors were much slower back then
I will stand by my conclusion and let everyone know if they have a ton of "F" mount glass and think that the new FTZ adaptor is going to make their glass just as fast on the new Nikon "Z" as the New SUPER FAST "S" Glass they are wrong
The new Technolgy of the New "S" glass for the "Z" camera is super fast and quite
best regards, Rick
Well said :-)
Hmm, yes, they are doable, but from the perspective of a newcomer Z system is not appealing at all, this was a major point of Rick. In this perspective, Nikon is just fighting to somehow keep the Nikon loyal community as much as possible. They should have made the gigantic FTZ adapter with screw driver motor to keep support the excellent AF-D lens line. When Sony released full-frame E mount, they made not less than four adapters, two of them had the screw driver motor to support all Minolta A-mount lenses ever made. Now, with this FTZ adapter, Nikon silently announced: guys sell your all AF-D lenses until not too late.
Silke, can u advice me a good sigma art for video that I can use with ftz? Thanks
Sigma 18-35 is an excellent choice for up to super 35
I don’t get the surprise with the noise the F mount glass makes? They are and always have been mechanical motor driven lenses. That’s why the new z glass is such a welcome addition for Nikon users.
The Z-mounts are also mechanical. Hate to disappoint you. Ultrasonic vs stepper - these are both types or electric motor and both have mechanical parts.
@@jimixjimix5097 not disappointed. They work great and are super silent. Thanks for the reply 4 years later lol
Hey, I still have the D lenses... and I will never be giving up my legacy glass, even if it's not convenient. The 105f2 is unique and I love it.
Why use legacy lenses? Well that’s a dumb question, Rick: because we like those lenses, because we don’t have the money to buy new ones, and because they don’t exist for the new mount in the first place! And legacy Nikkor just work amazingly well with the FTZ adapter, like all reviewers have acknowledged.
So you're agreeing with me?
I said I love my legacy glass and have reviewed the Nikon 80mm f/1.4 from the 1980's....... it's awesome ruclips.net/video/QeOHgFB8_IY/видео.html
Thanks for commenting but maybe you misunderstood
and should watch my video to the end where I say i love adapting old Legacy glass
Regards, Rick
Also be sure to watch Matt Grangers FTZ review here:
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Nikons new lenses are garbage and overpriced. Their older lenses are still some of the bes t lenses ever made.
Rick Vestuto really, Matt, stranger Danger creepy motel weirdo. You’re kidding right? The guy is even worse than you
Thanks for video, noises in f mount af-s lens and speed etc are a function of the lens same as it was on dslrs- nothing to do with the Ftz as it’s a pass through adapter does not influence the behaviours
I never say that it does influence
Only that using adaptors and older lenses is noisy and slow
Thanks for your comment
I LOVE MY FTZ ADAPTER. works great for me. Saved me a ton of money using Sony, Canon Lens on my Z bodies. HELL YES USE THE ADAPTERS. Nikon Z bodies can fit all lens.
Rick , Sony also had an adapter for their A mount glass to work on FE amount . Also Nikon F lenses work very well with the FTZ adapters . I think you’re being a little too exaggerated in your assessment . Yes the adapted lenses may be a tad noisier . However , they work more that just fine . Lastly if you’re going to show focus breathing of the adapted lenses maybe you should demonstrate what they look like before being adapted .
Hey don't take my word for it
Go look at someone that has been a nikon shooter all his life
matt granger has come to the same conclusion
look Here
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Not all Nikon lenses work so good on the FTZ adaptor
but if you would like to go test for yourself 30 lenses like I have over the last 4 weeks then please do so
Regards, Rick
Roll on 4 years and with 1 the newer cameras, 2 the firmware updates means something completely different. I've a D850 D700 F6 F100 and a Z6ii and a heap of the Nikon AFS and G lenses and I haven't got a problem with them adapted to the Z6ii, ok the native Z lenses are quite and fast but, not by much certainty bot to bother me.
If I understand your messaging, for $250, I can continue to use the $7K worth of lenses I already have instead of having to immediately drop thousands more to get what I already have? It’s not faster and it’s not quieter? Ok, seems like a good deal.
I felt intrigued by your video so I just had to check it out. You speak your mind and that's really refreshing to see on RUclips. I have a set of new APSC lenses but I use the FTZ adapter for old manual lenses.
You can not compare the sound made by an F-mound AF-S lens to the sound made by any Z-mount lens. The new Z-mount use an auto-focus similar to the newer AF-P system which is both quieter and faster focusing. I believe Nikon only made 4 different F-mount AF-P lenses so if your lens was noisy when auto focusing it will still be noise on a Z-mount camera. Otherwise thanks for a great video.
They also focus slower and don't take advantage of the newer focusing software of the camera
Also, they use Twin Stepper motors in both the new "Z" lens and"Sony" lenses
Thanks for commenting
Heres another great video to watch
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
NIKON NIKKOR AF 85mm/1.4D with NIKON Z, why not control focus?
But honestly the focus hunting has nothing to do with the focus breathing.... Please would you agree with that?
Please please trim all your rambling and bumbling with words. It made watching this video frustrating and quite difficult to digest your info.
Thanks for your comments and suggestions
I am on old dude with no experience in front of the camera
My channel is only a year old and I'm trying
but this is me and how I talk and I'm not going to be fake
or make a bunch of Skip jumps...............sorry
Hai sir I really appreciate your opinion on not buying the old f mount glass to the new z mount camera 👍
I am facing the same problem having purchased… Wynette returning the old glass and switch to native one🤗
I think, It's because their first generation, be patient, give them several years to grow and make it better in the future. By the end, I think all cameras will be electronic without any mirror like the Z9.
I hate having to use the FTZ adapter but no choice. I feel like Nikon is semi holding Z owners hostage. We cant get a Z mount lens from Sigma or Tamron and we have to wait forever for a core lens lineup. The 24-70 F4 is great. The 2.8 is even better but aside from the 50/35 1.8 releases the only other lens that matters is that 70-200 2.8 and the 85 1.8.
Personally, I could care less about the Noct lens. Most of us would be more impressed if they got a 105 1.4 z mount out or more 1.4 lens out in general. Canon is already putting out 1.2s! If Nikon wants to boast about the capabilities of the new mount then prove it. But don’t ask Z owners to buy the same lenses twice.
Totally Agree
Thanks for your comments
Regards, Rick
I'm not surprised by your findings.
Interesting video. With Canon, the EF lenses respond as good as, and in some cases faster than they do on the DSLRs. Canon also has the same sized lens mount on the EOS R-series cameras as it had on the DSLRs (EF and EF-s mount). They changed the mount and number of electrical contacts, but the physical diameter remains unchanged.
The big advantage of the newer native lenses is the new optical designs with better edge-to-edge sharpness.
I will be purchasing a Canon EOS R soon myself...Can't wait
Thanks for your comments
Best regards, Rick
@@rickvestuto Wow, how many cameras do you have? Lol. I only discovered your channel recently and it has a nice vibe about it. Keep up the good work. 🙂
Canon has a poor autofocus. I have a Canon M50 and the autofocus is very inaccurate when you focus on small details (despite using the 10x loupe), I tried multiple M50 cameras, not comparable with a modern DSLR. Furthermore the autofocus nearly doesn't work at all with the 15-45mm in not good light conditions. The autofocus is definitely the worst thing about the Canon M50. In a store I tried an Eos RP and an M6 II and they seem to have similar accuracy issues. Surprisingly the M6 I is more accurate.
I agree in that if you already own high-end Nikon systems like the D850 With high end glass, there's no real value in switching to the Z-system and adapting the glass. That being said, I am not so sure the difference between Z and F Mount glass in terms of Focus speed (comparing native Z on a Z6/7 to adapted F on Z6/7) is that noticable. Noise is an obvious difference, although the native Z glass is not 100% silent either.
I own the 24-70 F4 native Z lens and an F Mount Tamron 70-200 F2.8 G2. In terms of Focus speed the difference not Clear, and in some cases the tamron lens was faster. It does have more noise, but not to the point where it bothers me. Does not matter to me when taking Pictures.
Now just to be Clear, this is my point of view as a hobbyist. And i will continue adapting lenses, that i know work well on the Z system, even if they are not 100% on par With the native lenses. Simply because there is a lot of Money to save. And since i am no Professional, i like to save where i can. Based on the price of the 24-70 2.8S I guestimate that i have saved at least 50%, probably a little more on buying the Tamron 2.8 70-200 G2 compared to the Nikon 70-200 2.8S when it is released some time in the future. And for my use, it is more than capable and gives great results.
As a quick response is
In general newer technology is much faster than older wouldn't you agree?
Especially since now we have "DUAL" focusing motors instead of the older single focusing motors
that were and still, are much slower
But don't take my word for it
Look at some of Matt Grangers reviews on the Nikon Z adaptor
Thanks for your comments
Regards, Rick
can I use my DSLR DX lenses on the Z50 with the adapter? And will I lose quality and will the autofocus still work?
Yes you can use a DX lens
No quality loss and the auto focus should still work as long as the lens has the contacts
Thanks for stoping by
@@rickvestuto Thank you for the fast answer. I got my first DSLR a few weeks aggo and I'm planning to invest in some DX lenses.
Hi Rick, agree with you about the noise from the F-mount 24-70, it was fine for stills but for video a real issue. With my 70-200 not an issue because I use it for stills and mainly static subjects. It really shows ho Nikon has thought about the lenses in parallel with the hybrid nature of the Z series. Ultimately all the Nikon F-mount f2.8 lenses and the Z-mount f4/2.8 lenses have great IQ. Cheers
I totally agree with you on the IQ
I'm just trying to show how may people might be thinking that they would buy the "Z" cameras thinking that they would buy older "F" mount glass and I'm not sure that's such a good idea as far as Noise and Slow auto Focusing on some older F mount glass
Matt Granger has a perfect example on the issues using the FTZ adapter and F mount glass here
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
best regards, rick
@@rickvestuto With you on that, it's why I have moved almost exclusively over to Z mount lenses apart from my 70-200. Hope you're well. Adrian
And just for reference
The Sony FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS is a premium, constant maximum aperture full-frame (FE) telephoto zoom lens for the Sony E-mount, announced by Sony on February 3, 2016 that's almost 3 years later from the first alpha camera in 2013
Just some advice I really wouldent make fun of or call people names that are probably the majority of your followers. But I digress so I hope you have a good day and wonderful Christmas.
no these are NOT my followers
These are people that don't even have the camera or the 30 lenses I borrowed to make this Honest review.....
I have proof about this and that's why I shared it.
but I'm not the only one sharing about this
Better men than me have proved the same thing.
See Here:
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
The video is about how slow and loud older lenses are and it only makes sense that a 10-year-old lens using old stepper motors to focus would do poorly aginst a brand new lens with New technology.
It's nice to have subscribers but I will not be fake or change who I am to gian subscribers like every other RUclipsr
I'm not looking for fame or money
I do this for fun for ME
Regards, rick
Well, first of all, its a mirrorless camera. Meaning, if it does not have access to the polarity profile of the lens for whatever reason it will use contrast based focusing. In order to get to maximum per pixel contrast it needs to pass it in order to be able to measure it. Then the focusing motor reverses to the last known maximum contrast position. During that reverse it has to fight a lot of momentum. The focusing mechanisms of older lenses are not built to do that, they are heavy. And they are also noisy ... like 90% of al lenses regardless of the body or time they where released.
That being said, lens profiles and compatibility is still being worked on. So .. now its 2021, maybe in 2023 we'll get the improvements for discontinued glass. Or ... it did already, I bought mine with the 1.1 update already on the adaptor (let me know if there where some measurable changes from 1.0 to 1.1 of the F lenses).
I started to use manual focus again (lets face it, mirrorless probably has another decade to go to get to the speed of DSLR) which is way more fun than just "waiting" and/or "throwing away perfectly useable glass". No need to make the video so edgy. Unless you are farming views and comments. In that case .. GJ.
Also, that "for mirrorless" add buzz of the lenses is essentially the speed and weight of the focusing mechanism.
The bottom line is :
Older glass is old technology and will never have fast quiet twin Servos
have a look at the GOD of Nikon reviews here:
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Thanks for your Long comment
regards, rick
All F mount lenses are subject to noise due to the MECHANICAL AF ring. The FTZ only connects the Z-body to an F lens. The FTZ cannot cut out noise from F lenses. Before, a Nikon camera just took STILL IMAGES, Nikon didn't care about the noise and nobody noticed it. As many competitors added VIDEO to the camera, Nikon had to follow. Then people noticed how loud the F lens was when they took the video. With the Z mount, Nikon has eliminated the MECHANICAL AF ring. Less moving parts, less noise. The more expensive Z lenses, Nikon already offers the DIGITAL AF display. The cheaper Z lenses, don't have any more AF rings.
is the adapter weather sealed?
Doesn't appear to be
Yes it is
the "cricket noise " is typical from afs motor it will not act differently on a dslr. Got the 300mm f4 afs D on my d750 makes a lot of noise ( at least much than canon )
The Native "Z" lenses dont' make any noise
So I guess i'm not use to it
Thanks for comments
Best regards, rick
@@rickvestuto yeah definitively much than canon usm, it's a problem, using that on the z6 not much noise but animals can from time to time ear the noise!
Most of us spent years , getting the tools we have. We make no money with them.
I don't get what you meean by Nikon lied about the FTZ adapter? I do hope they come out with a version 3 of the FTZ that has a built in motor for those who wants to adapt old F glass.
Yes, F-mount lenses are noisier. No news there. They are equally noisy on a DSLR. Keep in mind that a lot of F glass was made before or just when video became a thing and Nikon DSLR are not known for being good video cameras (they use only contrast detection). Hence, noisy lenses are not an issue shooting pictures.
Even now 4 yrs later after you made this video the Z glass is super expensive compared to older F glass. Many say the Z glass is better but I'd still say the F glass is just as good as it's always been so I really don't see a problem getting used F glass and use that on the Z mount. I am not made of money, that is for damn sure.
Thanks Rick
Hmmm, well I thought you were going to comment on the Nikon site intimating that:
"On a Z camera with the Mount Adapter FTZ, compatible F-Mount NIKKOR lenses retain all of their sharpness and superb rendering power. Plus, they gain so much-smooth, fast Hybrid-AF*, silent shooting, breakthrough low-light performance, the benefits of in-camera VR image stabilization when used with Z cameras that feature in-camera VR and more."
Nice, except for the omission that older F mount lenses will not Auto Focus.
Thank you Nikon. I prefer older clean glass....that's just me.
I fully intend to buy into their Z lenses....but that little omission is just another reason why they drive me crazy sometimes.
Don't get me wrong, they all do that.
I hear ya.....
The community is now saying two things
#1 that the 24-70 "Z" mount f2.8 is the sharpest lens to date
#2 That the "Z" Mount is the most versital mount on the planet because it is the closest to the sensor. you can even mount Canon RF glass to the "Z" bodies
Thanks for your comments
best regards, rick
I've used manual focussing on an old F-mount lens using the Nikon Z50's focus peaking, and it works fine.
@@fjphoto23
No where or at NO point did I say that manual focus or retro lenses don't work
All I am saying is that old auto focus lenses with One stepper motor are slow and load compared to the NEW Native lenses of the "Z" Mount
I Love using Retro Lenses on my Nikon and I even made a video about it
Thanks for your comments
Best regards, Rick
@@rickvestuto Noted. Thanks. 👍
My new Z50 is working really well using the FTZ adaptor for my Nikon and Tamron F mount FX and DX lenses!
The hunting focus is because the electric pulse system of this old lenses. Nothing about the adapter.
Budget, having old glass, waiting for new versions of the lenses you love? Tons of reasons to use the FTZ, yes it wouldnt make sense to buy a brand new F mount if there is a Z mount len, but thats not what majority of people are doing. Not sure what the point if this video was
Some of us have had to scrimp and save to buy a decent camera system, only for Nikon to abandon
Us to survival economics and market share. I bought into the brand BECAUSE of Nikons reputation for backward compatibility in their lenses. The more important question for me is how long will they support my existing cameras and lenses?
This guy is definitely getting a kickback to push the new lenses. Absolutely nothing wrong with adapters and the old legacy glasses.
LMAO "Getting Kick Backs" What an idiot
Yeah, I make soooo much money with 1600 subs....LMMAO
you know that this video is 4 years old right?
Did you bother to read any of the comments?
Typical Gen Z'r
If you can't afford new lenses then by all means don't buy them
but it's a proven fact that older lenses are much slower and clunkier than the new ones....
But hey don't listen to me...
Go do your research (if you're able to....LMAO)
and listen to a PRO like Matt Granger here:
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Hi Rick , thanks for the video. I also have Sony mirrorless and Nikon dslr . I am wondering which will be right way to choose for telephoto Nikon lenses , Ftz adapter or Sony to Nikon adapters ?
I feel that the older Nikon Lenses are a bit slower than the sony lens so I would probably pick sony adapter knowing what I know now
i find the noise acceptable as I am used to some noise using the (old) fuji x lenses haha
Yes but the Snappy speed of the older lenses suck compared to the new SMOOTH focus pulling of the new Lenses
best regards, Rick
Sony makes a motorized adapter to enable autofocus usage with older lenses. .. unfortunately, Nikon decide to abandon all their AF-D lenses with the FTZ by not making a motorized version for autofocus
Sorry but I do NOT agree with your review. I own the Nikon Z9 and have used the FTZ adapter with the following Nikon F glass: the 105mm f.4ED, the Nikon 35mm f1.4G and even the Nikon 200mm f2.0 and ALL of them worked flawlessly with the Nikon FTZ adapter. Autofocus was just as fast as with a native Z mount lens.
The current crop of Nikon lenses are very cheaply made and aesthetics do count for something (See Manny Ortiz’s review and why he sent back all his Nikon Z glass) People want their gear to be complimented on, especially when they spend so much money.
When the CONFUSING roll out of the cheap and plasticky Nikon Z35mm f1.4 happened recently on the heels of the higher quality Nikon Z35mm f1.8S lens, followed by the same pattern with their higher quality Z50mm f1.8S and later their cheaper plasticky Z50mm f1.4 lens, I COULD EASILY have saved $1200 and bought the Z35mm f1.4 but instead purchased the Nikon AF S35mm f1.4G lens for $1700 and the FTZ adapter for another $300
Have you ever seen what their Z50mm f1.2 lens looks like? What sane photographer would want to walk around with a torpedo like that?!!! A 50mm lens is an everyday lens! Even their Z85mm f1.2 and their Z135mm f1.8 Plena (I have owned both and sold them almost immediately) have so much plastic on the barrel and are beasts in their own right. Imagine being at a restaurant with friends and family and you pull out the Nikon Z50mm f1.2. Suddenly it becomes a photo shoot and not everyone is comfortable with that. People don’t want the spotlight on them!! This is why there are so many adapters cropping up for people to be able to use Canon, Sony and Nikon F glass on the Nikon Z cameras. I can’t speak for the other third party adapters but I can tell you for sure that the Nikon FTZ adapter works like a charm!
My Nikon 50mm f/1.8 G and Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 (FX F-mounts) work well on my Nikon Z50.
Good video, I wonder how well these lenses do in 2023 with all the firmware updates that Nikon has pushed out since you video.
I am disapointment to see you speaking right into an opened lensmount of the Nikon.
That means you most certainly did put some drops of your breath at the sensor!
This is a disjointed mess
...this 'review' felt like one of those hilariously over-the-top late-night commercials, where the poor, hapless soul-who somehow can’t even manage to open a jar or hold a spoon-stumbles through life as if basic motor skills were a distant dream. Then, as if by some divine intervention, the 'miracle' (and most certainly scummy!) product swoops in to save the day, transforming them from utterly hopeless to suspiciously competent... almost like it’s too good to be true. But then again, as always, it most certainly is..!
5 years old and ppl are still commenting........meah
Serious question --
Is there even one single usable 16-35mm F2.8 that does not have loud clicking motor problems with FTZ?
Or is there even one usable 18mm F2.8 prime on the whole system that does not have loud clicking motor problems with FTZ?
I'm doing video work. What lens am I supposed to use? I have 0 options.
Agreed
That's why I can ONLY recommend For the Nikon "Z" system...... The native lenses are the only way to go
They are so much faster than the older lenses too
Best regards, rick
@@rickvestuto I'm perfectly willing to buy Z lenses, but the lens selection is extremely limited!
The only wide angle zoom is F4. And there's no primes below 24mm.
I'm coming from Sony E-Mount where we have hundreds of lenses now.
@@zyxyuv1650
Agreed but don't forget that Nikon is coming out with the 20mm F1.8 next month and the 85mm f/1.8 in two months
Then the 14-24 f/2.8 in the first quorter of 2020
I just bought the 24-70 F/2.8 and it's a fantastic lens for what i do
Be patience my friend all will be good in 2020 for sure
Will you be sending in your Z6 to get the upgrade for the ProRes RAW?
First of all Sony produced the first alpha in October 2013 at first they had only a few lenses and lots of bugs, they are now a very solid camera brand.... I prefer to have just a few Nikon z lenses that works instead a bunch with many bugs... I do have a Z6 and use my D and old manual lenses I'll m combination and never a problem....
You have to take in consideration that a brand need to evolve and that take time is not a over night process, so far even with the OMG noise that the G lenses produce I have not find a problem when I print a picture that is what's matter.. IMO Nikon has done a good job even giving for free the ftz
better call Saul how do you get the ftz free? I have seen it thrown in for $46.00, is that what you mean?
@@leniehulse1621 no, I got it free at Samys camera, sometimes they give free hard drive with purchase if you talk to the guys you can exchange the hard drive for ftz or some promos come with free ftz, I got mine on black Friday, no taxes free ftz, similar promos on adorama and other big authorized retailers...
thanks mate ,,, nicely
I have the z6 and adapted a sigma 35mm 1.4 and af seems fast to me but the noisy part u are correct !
Yes the Sigma's are much faster but that's because there newer than the older nikon "G" glass that was produced in the 1990's
Thanks for commenting
More testing need to be done
5:30 camera asmr
All my F-mount lenses work flawlessly with the FTZ adapter. Even my 70-200 with 2X teleconverter functions as well as with my D-800. Of course the F-mount lenses are not as quiet as the Z-mount due to different motors that are less-advanced than the Z-mount. That's nothing to do with the FTZ. Your title is misleading and inaccurate.
Not misleading at all
If you don't believe me then maybe you will believe a NIKON ambassador "MATT GRANGER"
Watch this
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
You're just used to SLOW GLASS
Maybe you have lost the point, the adapter is thought for those who already have many Nikon 'old' lenses, and that is all good. Nobody buys a new f lens for the z mouth camera.
And that was the point
If I had a bunch of OLD "F" mount glass I wouldn't switch to the Nikon "Z" because the adapted glass is so much slower and louder on the adapter
you're better off staying with "F" mount cameras
and just upgrade you camera to a D5 or D850
Thanks for your comments
regards, Rick
@@rotvonrat
Please don't take my word for it
Look to someone that has been a Nikon shooter all his life
Matt Granger confirms everything I just said in his video here:
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
so you see they don't work fine
but hey what do I know why don't you go test 20 to 30 Nikon lenses and see what you think
I just tested about 30 lenses over the last 4 weeks..........lmao
Regards, Rick
@@rickvestuto You are totally right. The prices of Nikon DSLRs are dropping like stone in water, an excellent condition used D750 can be had for half price as just one modern lens Nikon Z lens. Nikon Z just gave the last stab to the Nikon DSLR line.
Whooohoo thank you so much Rick you are so awesome. And not because I won. Because you add so much value on this platform.
This video definately cleared my mind as i have the D750 Nikon with 6 different lenses and i wanted to upgrade to the Z7 but my concern was the atapding of my existing glass. And also, the very expensive memory cards on the Z7. So not upgrading now is a good idea.
@@VioletHenning
I had said the words D7500 and meant to say D750
The D750 is a great camera and you probably have some awesome glass for it
At this time since you have the D750 I feel that there is no reason to buy a "Z" camera
Your D750 will be awesome for at least another 2 years and by that time
Nikon will or will not have their ducks in a row and then I would tell you to jump over to the "Z"
just like it took Sony 3 or 4 years to get it right
now it will take Nikon and Canon the same but for a First Gen camera I feel Nikon is pretty close on it's first attempt
Thanks for commenting and your support
Best regards, Rick
Best words i have heard all year. My D750 is still amazing so i wont switch now.
Agreed. If you are happy with taking pictures with your DSLR - stick with the DSLR - and skip the Mirrorless. If you take pictures... stick with the DSLR! If I was going out to take pictures, I would still take out my D7100.
But I got the Z6 for video and I am realizing that - for video - I am sticking with (or stuck with) the new Z lenses. Since I expect to do a lot of work in Post using artificial light (that I have complete control over) the slower lenses are fine... of good enough.
i wished Nikon came out with a mirrorless for the F mount
Yeah lots of people do
Thanks for commenting
FTZ really sucks. I am done with Nikon. The autofocus with a Nikon Z6 and FTZ adapter Nikkor 600mm 4.0 FL really sucks, no good at all.
Hi, nice video, How does this adapter apply for manual ais lens shooting ? More seem-less than autofocus afd Nikon glass ?
@rickvestuto
Based on the comments, you might be talking nonsense. But that's just the opinion of most so please ignore them.
Please feel free to watch a nikon ambassador for comformation
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
thanks for sharing....
I'm not seeing where Nikon lied here. Meh.
I'll never buy a z mount lens way way to much money 💰
absolutely you didn't know anything about Nikon products and lens mechanism
Dont take my word for it
Go watch a great youtube and see what he says dumb ass You really should know what your taking about before you make a post like this........
Matt Grangers FTZ review here:
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
Looking to buy a used Z6 / Z7? Ignore this BS.
keep it short!!
Too much digressing
Z6 suck 🤮
Take time to breath slowly while talking
stupid review. my primes are working with the ftz
LMFAO.........OK ???
But, Hey..... don't take my word for it
Ever heard of "Matt Granger"
ruclips.net/video/XMIAV-exl_o/видео.html
bet you feel stupid now................he he
Too
Thanks, Just when I thought i was TWO smart
best regards, Rick