Despite how much Nathanos insults me and my friends, I still find him to be one of the coolest characters in WoW. I always enjoy quests that involve him.
Yeah. True, I hate to be put on a pedestal like with literally everyone else. It's creepy. But with Nathanos, it's the other extreme. And it's ridiculous and absurd to comical levels. Especially given the disconnect between being treated like a piece of shit by him, and like a demigod by the entire world.
@@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ It makes sense to me. I always felt that he viewed us as a threat. We are always referred to as the Horde's "Champion" and coming form Sylvanas "Our Champion" and "My Champion" has a very subtle difference. Considering how much he values the title of Sylvanas's champion, I always viewed his bitterness towards us as him feeling his title as being threatened by our existence. And he is trying to establish a clear hierarchy between the two ranks of "Champion"
I take a lot of offense to his sarcasm. I’m sure we the players have done more for Azeroth and the Horde in our time playing than he has in his story. Nathanos: “Hm, speaker of the Horde” Me: “Hm, Sylvanas’s bitch”
thanks so much for doing a little series on Nathanos! definitely one of my favorite horde characters currently. i wouldn't mind seeing him become the new forsaken leader in the future.
Nathanos is an ass for sure, but he is interesting and amusing. Definately loyal to Slyvanas on more than an authoritarian/lich queen/faction-race leader level too. The two were not-so-secretly romantically and sexually involved when alive, as stated in the novels Dark Mirror and Before the Storm. So I do feel he is indeed, still quite in love with her deep down- even if his old dead heart has forgotten alot of those feelings. Slyvanas has shown affection for him too, well as much as someone like her does. I don't think she would let anyone else be her personal guard and right-hand man. NOW WE JUST NEED AN ON SCREEN KISS!
That won't happen. Nathanos is still too busy trying to protect her reputation. Lor'themar and others gave her a hard time just for having him brought on as a ranger.
During the burning of teldrassil or Sylvanas warbringer if look at it carefully there's meaning to the beginning and ending part. The first part shows Sylvanas walking toward the world tree with Saurfang and Nathanos right behind her symbolizing the Horde as whole supported with her plan. But the ending part shows her standing alone without Saurfang or Nathanos meaning by the time the war starts reaching its end she will no longer have the support of not just the Horde but the Forsaken as well. Did anyone else saw this symbolize pattern as well?
I always see alliance jump horde players when they're fighting mobs or they'll jump in if they outnumber the horde or more often they have a raid group of 15-30 ganking horde at neutral town FPs on Zandalar
Yesterday I did the invasion in nazmir as a lvl 110. Minding my business ignoring everyone around me. But then a bunch of horde and alliance started fighting. A 120 DK with 230k hp alliance player started hunting me instead of the other guys who actually killed him. First I thought he might not realize that I'm 110, so I just kited him around, but he keeped following only me. Moral of the story: alliance fights only Lowis or jump on you while your afk or questing with 10people at once. They planning shit on voice to perfectly ambush one lonely horde player who's minding his business. Shameless cowards
I really like Nathanos. He's what a true Forsaken should be: blunt, harsh, tough and loyal to Sylvanas. I don't know if people want him to be a Mickey Mouse character so he feels relatable or whatever, for me he's the perfect person to be Sylvanas' number 2 and leader of the Forsaken if Sylvanas is too busy being the leader of the whole Horde.
I could not say it better! He truly is exemplary to what a forsaken should be! I don't understand why people expect them not to be harsh with the living races, when their name literally is "the forsaken" because these same races see them as abominations and (most of which) don't even bother to diferenciate between an undead with free will and a scourge. Also, according to the lore, the undead tend to be irritative, short-tempered and bitter, so he is perfect just the way he is.
I really liked that Nathanos call to arms in the latest cinematic was: "For the Horde". I think this has a deeper menaing rather than him just being Sylvanas loyal puppy, he surely is a devoted follower but he doesn't stop at that. Interesting character anyway, doesn't matter if self insert or not. I wish though that the same attention would be given to other characters which seem rather left to be even if bearing a Greater importance than nathanos (that's where the "self insert" thing hurts the story).
Nathanos' model and VA are so incredibly good that I really don't give a damn what he says I just wanna follow his ass around everywhere listening to him yap at me.
I think we need a hole book or at least a graphic novel dedicate to nathano's and sylvana's set during the time they were both alive and their transition into death as well as explaining the high elves relations with lordaeron and other events of the time. I know dark mirror kinda already did this but i think it be worth it.
@@HattoriHanzo09 I completely forgot I commented on this video lol. if you go to T&E TV I made a comment on there hour long video on there Sylvanas book breakdown. I picked up the book the day after it and absolutely loved it. I prefer the Richard A. Knaak novels but I love this one definitely one of my favorite wow books.
Now that I think about it, I wonder how many forsaken are going to turn against Sylvannys when they realize she got to see her sisters and work with them for a time before coming back to the horde on a couple of occasions while she shot at them under the assumption of them "defecting" for following Calia, when Forsaken are supposed to have free will, according to the Valkyr, upon raising you.
When I started playing WoW I wanted to make a Forsaken Hunter to roleplay as a High Elve ranger brought back by the Dark Lady, but that scumbag Nathanos got in my way
There is something about how you tell the lore stories that gives it some kind of life. You have helped me understand so much of the world of Azeroth. Thanks Nobble!
If Sylvanas were to die and could not be raised, would that not release Annhylde the caller from her pact? Also Nathanos is a sharp, cold, prick, but I actually like doing the quests he gives. I sense urgency in the demands as if something could happen to Sylvanas.
I def think he’ll either be the new leader of the forsaken after/If sylvanas dies, OR we’ll face off against her garrosh style in a raid which he will be a boss in and we’ll see em both die cinematic style
Since the majority of the Forsaken are Undead humans, it would be fitting if their leader was also an undead human, which nathanos is. If they get rid of savanas and make nathanos the Forsaken leader I could see The Forsaken and the rest is the horde backing him.
Anyone feel like forsaken new story line after arthas has feel shoehorned in, I feel this was a lazy plot line that was wrote to keep the Warcraft universe in conflict
Sylvanas " im killing off my own people what does it look like because they defected and we cant stand forsaken haveing free will and not following my orders, then they wouldnt be forsaken and betrayal is not an option its a death sentence"
@@Necroionutwiz Alliance wanted to use these peoples past lives to make them strike the forsaken down. Imo this is as horrible as burning down the world tree....
You realize why Nathanos talks down to you so much, right? You're also a champion of the Horde that the Banshee Queen calls on directly. You're the only person that threatens to take Nathanos' position, and he is NOT happy about that.
I guess I'm a massive edge lord or whatever because Nathanos is one of my fav characters in wow, just the whole human ranger backround and his look is so amazing to me.
Nathanos has one serious problem: he comes across as Sylvanas' little bitch. And it can be solved so easily, just have him disobey one direct order. Like she orders him to attack a certain place, and Nathanos attacks somewhere else because it's a better tactical choice.
I'd be more down to liking him if he showed some humanity at all. Maybe they'll have him be pushed to the point that his devotion is shattered and he shows true emotions for slyvanas as opposed to him just being her "bow holder." It would be cool/interesting to have him be the leader of the forsaken and more well rounded than having him grunt 24/7 and ask what slyvanas is doing all the time.
17:15 "Go, my champion." I'm surprised how many people have missed this. We, the player, are not HER champion. She sends us on errands, quests and tasks, but she never really trusted us to begin with. We are a beacon of the Horde, but her trust and faith is in Nathanos. It happens in Legion a lot too (2:45 for example).
I sadly feels it falls under the 'rule of cool overrides good writing' which sadly is how some of the higher ups in the writing staff think and have admitted in one of the Q&A vids in the past.
@@weirdo7319 I could accept her being against Elune, Tyrande, the Alliance, whatever. But taking sides and joining the forsaken? Makes no sense whatsoever.
@ComocosonoEWL And one more thing - imagine you believe in God, in someone who will take care of you, and he doesn´t. Yeah, it sucks, but it´s not enough to make you betray him/her. Dieing and finding out there is NOTHING after you die, not even a glimpse at your God or his/her might (or whatever else), that shakes ones spirit...
Thanks for this episode. However, you basically shared the *entire* plot to the book Warcraft: Before the Storm. Not sure what insight that brought to the story of Nathanos - other than revealing that for once, he was surprised by Sylvanas' actions. After all, those undead that she murdered were fleeing because they were overwhelmed with emotion at the reunion, not because they were betraying her. How long were they "not-alive" wondering about their living relatives? It's not a surprising reaction. Is Nathanos more alive than that empty hateful fear filled husk of a banshee?
My god thank you so much for doing these videos!as someone who loves wow and wow lore.and but barely had the chance to play/buy book etc,people who do videos like this are the only thing that help me keep up.and you are one of the best!keep up the good work!😊
Even in Ogrimmar you can seem him kneeling by a bone and bowl on a fur-rug. If that doesn't screen submissive to his dominatrix I don't know what does xD. If Genn Greymane is Anduin's dog, Nathanos is Slyvanas' puppy.
Nathanos is such a great character and perfect model design in wow. i love him and cant wait to see him in SL to show all his haters that once again he did what he wanted. (to die and go with Sylvanas and do the right thing)
I believe the some of night elf are doing unwilling. the warden is doing willing the other isn't. the warden has abandon Elune in alliance part because she won't protect dark shore
Sylvanas: I want my people and I to live for as long as possible. Delaryn: You have made life your enemy. Me: The fuck?!!! How does that make any sense?!!! Also me: Time to main Horde this expac. The Alliance have lost it.
You should have also mentioned the little speech he has on the Banshee Wail ship in the port when you click on his dialog option. He says that he is this zealous in fighting Alliance for his own reasons, not just his loyalty to Sylvanas. Which you didn't even hint on. It appears that you were presenting the opposite message, that he does all he does only for Sylvanas. Granted, his reason seems to be fabricated. He claims that Alliance turned on the Forsaken... but in fact, it was Sylvanas who decided to butcher the Alliance once they served their purpose in reclaiming ruins of Loarderon from the Dreadlords. Varimatras even commented on her being the same as demons in this regard. On the other hand, it's that while the humans didn't betray the Forsaken, they didn't offer them a very good deal either. Garithos basically said that the Forsaken will just help them reclaim Loarderon, and then they will just get the fuck out of there because they are filthy undead. I guess that could be reason why Nathanos hates humans... but you know, it's really funny that in his entire story, no interaction with any human after his raise to the undeath is ever mentioned. So it looks like he just made up his other motivation to not appear so grotesquely evil to his own people.
I could see Nathanos killing Sylvanas in the end of BFA not because he wants to but because he feels as if he has too. I dunno prolly wrong but thats the feeling i get.
I think he will take a large part in Sylvanas redemption. To not have a new Garrosh scenario, he will stop the her going full haywire or even sacrifice himself
I'm firmly a Horde player.... But Nathanos's constant belittling and barking (I know I know, character development) makes me not be able to stand him. His fight with Greymane made me think of when Alabama versed Ohio State one year - the thought of "I wish they could somehow both lose" lol. Almost certain Sylvanas will have some sort of redemption story in Shadowlands and her loyal puppy will follow her. I'm more concerned with who will be the next warchief! I mean there's realistically if there even IS gonna be a new one there's only two choices - Cairne or Lor'Themar, but seeing as how Lor'Themar doesn't even wish to be the new "king" or "prince" of the belfs but to remain as Lord Regent I could see him choosing to follow Cairne. Doubt it will happen but I'd really love to see Rokhan become the new Troll leader then maybe him and Talanji getting together and uniting the trolls... But anyways, I'm rambling. Great videos about my least favorite (Horde) character!
so how free are the forsaken really? if they are killed for "deserting" can they really be called free? seems more like sylvanas gave the forsaken the illusion of freedom, they are free as long as they serve her, if they don't serve her, then they are little more than scourge zombies on the lose.
They are free to not join Sylvanas, but when you join and then decide to betray and join the enemy, the fuck do you expect? Sylvanas just saying "I respect your choice, now go, tell our enemies literally every single weakness that could be exploited against us and expect zero repercussion because you have free will." Like, wouldn't the alliance kill anyone who defected to the horde? What you said makes exactly 0 sense
You know i've been a forsaken for a very long time and and from my expirience i can safely say that Sylvanas despite being Warchief she does whaever it takes to stay alive including killing her own people , betraying the horde, backstab her most loyal dog( Nethanos) because she's been there and thats a place she doesnt want to return and while personally i feel like story will tip the favor in Saurfang's side she will not go down easy so she will use every last ace up her undead sleve to reach her goal, all in the name of survival and also she's using the horde meat shields so she can create more forsaken and protect her amin.
if you're noticing as many have, they're bringing much old content into this exp. they'e also seeming to be hellbent on killing off old faction leaders. i'm guessing for some reason the pantheon, and keepers will be involved sometime after n'zoth returns. by blizz repeating how an exp plays out, we'll be thinking nazjatar is the big prob, then we'll encounter the black empire, this exp version of argus. by then sylvanas will have joined up with them. the factions will once more unite against a world ending foe.
remember that all of this darkshore shit started because of Mathias Shaw urging the alliance to attack the horde in Silithus Sylvanus was scared of the alliance creating a superweapon to wipe her and her people out with all of the azerite that they were stealing out of silithus, so she decided to attack the main capital where all of the azerite was being shipped out of, Teldrassil
that stormwind quest was embarrassing for blizz... zul set fire on a city made of stone with a box of matches and later on lost a fight without using magic... so stupidy!
I wonder, with the ritual to restore Nathanos. What if some aspect of the Valkyr's power is inside him? Probably not, but if it were I could mean a couple things. He could either, give his life to save Sylvanas as the Valkyr do, or perhaps he has some deep seated power to raise undead himself. As a potential Forsaken leader to replace Sylvanas, that'd be quite valuable to be able to raise people yourself.
dunno if Bolvar will be evil enough to start a whole expansion with him as the main bad dude so far he's just concerned with sitting in his throne and keeping all of us from dying i'd say if anything he'd probably turn against Sylvanus and thats how he ends up as the bad guy
Well, he said to Tyrande "Kill me, you'll send me right to my queen." So its likely that, the remains of his soul where send to the maw and been consumed by the forges of the jailer.
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10:35 "my queen uhhhhhhh whad are ya doing"
"Succeeding you, father"
I will like him more if he stops screaming at me to collect azerite and insult my group for not having a dark ranger
I fckin hate that bg
WHY HAVEN'T YOU RE-ROLLED TO DARK RANGER YET!
I wonder if using the toy that makes you look like one changes that.
@@TheRealAb216 I tried, it does not, if that's a serious question
Dude has a kink ;)
Sira: Elune, can I have a cookie?
Elune: No, you've had enough cookies. Go brush your teeth.
Sira: ELUNE ABANDONED US!
OK dieing a brutal death and a cookie r different things.
I think he'll sacrifice himself somehow to save Sylvanas, at which point she'll lose it.
She does have more elite followers, but Nathanos is on the top.
considering the new updates to her character, I think those roles will be reversed
yea tyrande killed him
I think that too
Despite how much Nathanos insults me and my friends, I still find him to be one of the coolest characters in WoW. I always enjoy quests that involve him.
*why is there no dark rangers within your ranks?!*
Same, I love how he doesn't put the player on a pedestal.
Yeah. True, I hate to be put on a pedestal like with literally everyone else. It's creepy. But with Nathanos, it's the other extreme. And it's ridiculous and absurd to comical levels. Especially given the disconnect between being treated like a piece of shit by him, and like a demigod by the entire world.
@@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ It makes sense to me. I always felt that he viewed us as a threat. We are always referred to as the Horde's "Champion" and coming form Sylvanas "Our Champion" and "My Champion" has a very subtle difference. Considering how much he values the title of Sylvanas's champion, I always viewed his bitterness towards us as him feeling his title as being threatened by our existence. And he is trying to establish a clear hierarchy between the two ranks of "Champion"
Even if he is a fart face
I take a lot of offense to his sarcasm. I’m sure we the players have done more for Azeroth and the Horde in our time playing than he has in his story.
Nathanos: “Hm, speaker of the Horde”
Me: “Hm, Sylvanas’s bitch”
thanks so much for doing a little series on Nathanos! definitely one of my favorite horde characters currently. i wouldn't mind seeing him become the new forsaken leader in the future.
I like him more now, they've done a good job. But I personally expect him to die.
He won't be: it'll likely be Calia Menethil. I don't see how she wouldn't be given what happened in the book.
Definitely won't happen now after the events of the pre-patch
@@NinjaPimpMark the reason i came back to this video is that i wanted to see what people thought about his death xD
this has aged poorly lmao
"You abandoned us, Elune abandoned us! So now we're gonna fight for the people that killed us!"
Nathanos is an ass for sure, but he is interesting and amusing. Definately loyal to Slyvanas on more than an authoritarian/lich queen/faction-race leader level too. The two were not-so-secretly romantically and sexually involved when alive, as stated in the novels Dark Mirror and Before the Storm. So I do feel he is indeed, still quite in love with her deep down- even if his old dead heart has forgotten alot of those feelings.
Slyvanas has shown affection for him too, well as much as someone like her does. I don't think she would let anyone else be her personal guard and right-hand man.
NOW WE JUST NEED AN ON SCREEN KISS!
^ This.
HELL YES
That won't happen. Nathanos is still too busy trying to protect her reputation. Lor'themar and others gave her a hard time just for having him brought on as a ranger.
@@cynicalnitro8416 It needs to come!
I'm sorry, but what was in "Before the Storm"?
the stormheim bagpipes are so nostalgic man..
I dont like em they annoy me
I miss Legion :(
Yeah, reminds me of the ol Howling Fjords.
The difference is that the howling fjord one doesn't get annoying after 10 minutes.
That snail made me laugh, right as the fighting started it turned around and noped out of there.
During the burning of teldrassil or Sylvanas warbringer if look at it carefully there's meaning to the beginning and ending part. The first part shows Sylvanas walking toward the world tree with Saurfang and Nathanos right behind her symbolizing the Horde as whole supported with her plan. But the ending part shows her standing alone without Saurfang or Nathanos meaning by the time the war starts reaching its end she will no longer have the support of not just the Horde but the Forsaken as well. Did anyone else saw this symbolize pattern as well?
Damn considering what happened now damn foreshadowing
Wait, so saurfang isint allowed to attack a night elf from behind but I it's ok for me to be attacked by 4 max level alliance players at once?
its only wrong if an ally has to die.
Well the Alliance learn that trick fow the cowardly horde players. Once again horde hypocrites show their true colors.
@@JohnDoe-vn1we And once again idiots like you confuse a game for reality.
I always see alliance jump horde players when they're fighting mobs or they'll jump in if they outnumber the horde or more often they have a raid group of 15-30 ganking horde at neutral town FPs on Zandalar
Yesterday I did the invasion in nazmir as a lvl 110. Minding my business ignoring everyone around me. But then a bunch of horde and alliance started fighting. A 120 DK with 230k hp alliance player started hunting me instead of the other guys who actually killed him. First I thought he might not realize that I'm 110, so I just kited him around, but he keeped following only me. Moral of the story: alliance fights only Lowis or jump on you while your afk or questing with 10people at once. They planning shit on voice to perfectly ambush one lonely horde player who's minding his business. Shameless cowards
"Greymane eats Nathanos for a bit, ship explodes. EXPLOSIONS PEW PEW PEW" lol
I really like Nathanos. He's what a true Forsaken should be: blunt, harsh, tough and loyal to Sylvanas. I don't know if people want him to be a Mickey Mouse character so he feels relatable or whatever, for me he's the perfect person to be Sylvanas' number 2 and leader of the Forsaken if Sylvanas is too busy being the leader of the whole Horde.
MartinezMKD1 oh it’s fitting don’t get us wrong, doesn’t change the fact that he’s an asshole tho
I could not say it better! He truly is exemplary to what a forsaken should be! I don't understand why people expect them not to be harsh with the living races, when their name literally is "the forsaken" because these same races see them as abominations and (most of which) don't even bother to diferenciate between an undead with free will and a scourge. Also, according to the lore, the undead tend to be irritative, short-tempered and bitter, so he is perfect just the way he is.
I really liked that Nathanos call to arms in the latest cinematic was: "For the Horde". I think this has a deeper menaing rather than him just being Sylvanas loyal puppy, he surely is a devoted follower but he doesn't stop at that. Interesting character anyway, doesn't matter if self insert or not. I wish though that the same attention would be given to other characters which seem rather left to be even if bearing a Greater importance than nathanos (that's where the "self insert" thing hurts the story).
The 43 dislikes are obviously filthy alliance dogs. This was an interesting series, thank you for this.
I just realized, Sylvanas lifted Vol'jin with one arm, and Trolls are massive.
Damn, them undead guns.
Elves are typically stronger and faster than humans
Nathanos' model and VA are so incredibly good that I really don't give a damn what he says I just wanna follow his ass around everywhere listening to him yap at me.
Can jet fuel melt world trees?
I like how the question is asked by someone with a gnome pfp
Teldrassil was an inside job
@@PhilipIIofMacadamia tell us?
The world leaders are all sauroks
I think we need a hole book or at least a graphic novel dedicate to nathano's and sylvana's set during the time they were both alive and their transition into death as well as explaining the high elves relations with lordaeron and other events of the time. I know dark mirror kinda already did this but i think it be worth it.
You call for it, and we got it! Sylvanas book explain just that you ask for.
@@HattoriHanzo09 I completely forgot I commented on this video lol. if you go to T&E TV I made a comment on there hour long video on there Sylvanas book breakdown. I picked up the book the day after it and absolutely loved it. I prefer the Richard A. Knaak novels but I love this one definitely one of my favorite wow books.
Now that I think about it, I wonder how many forsaken are going to turn against Sylvannys when they realize she got to see her sisters and work with them for a time before coming back to the horde on a couple of occasions while she shot at them under the assumption of them "defecting" for following Calia, when Forsaken are supposed to have free will, according to the Valkyr, upon raising you.
why do i have a feeling Nathanos gonna pull John Snow at the end? hmm...
I wonder if nathanos is going to pull a Jaimie Lannister in the future on sylvanas?
100% going to happen. he will be the next racial leader for the forsaken
It is a possibility, but I think he is paying his debt for her since she was on his side while he was bullied by elves.
I really hope so. I've fantasized about it so long.
What does that mean?
And that is?
When I started playing WoW I wanted to make a Forsaken Hunter to roleplay as a High Elve ranger brought back by the Dark Lady, but that scumbag Nathanos got in my way
There is something about how you tell the lore stories that gives it some kind of life. You have helped me understand so much of the world of Azeroth. Thanks Nobble!
If Sylvanas were to die and could not be raised, would that not release Annhylde the caller from her pact? Also Nathanos is a sharp, cold, prick, but I actually like doing the quests he gives. I sense urgency in the demands as if something could happen to Sylvanas.
I def think he’ll either be the new leader of the forsaken after/If sylvanas dies, OR we’ll face off against her garrosh style in a raid which he will be a boss in and we’ll see em both die cinematic style
The Horde has great side characters. Lady Liadrin, and Nathanos are stand outs. They are so much better than their superiors.
tbf lor'themar is still an amazing character, i just wish he was more involved as a faction leader
Tsundere zombie is best zombie. Nathanos sure hangs out with us a lot for someone who "hates us."
They need to bring back Thrall as leader. He may be a hippie but he's better than sylvanas.
I lost it at "My Queen, whattareyou doing?"
XDDDD
Just..the voice.. omg.. xDDD hahaha im dying!
Since the majority of the Forsaken are Undead humans, it would be fitting if their leader was also an undead human, which nathanos is. If they get rid of savanas and make nathanos the Forsaken leader I could see The Forsaken and the rest is the horde backing him.
Anyone feel like forsaken new story line after arthas has feel shoehorned in, I feel this was a lazy plot line that was wrote to keep the Warcraft universe in conflict
My queen. What are ya doan?
Sylvanas " im killing off my own people what does it look like because they defected and we cant stand forsaken haveing free will and not following my orders, then they wouldnt be forsaken and betrayal is not an option its a death sentence"
I was making fun of the way he said doing, mate.
@@Necroionutwiz Alliance wanted to use these peoples past lives to make them strike the forsaken down.
Imo this is as horrible as burning down the world tree....
You realize why Nathanos talks down to you so much, right? You're also a champion of the Horde that the Banshee Queen calls on directly. You're the only person that threatens to take Nathanos' position, and he is NOT happy about that.
I guess I'm a massive edge lord or whatever because Nathanos is one of my fav characters in wow, just the whole human ranger backround and his look is so amazing to me.
Nathanos has one serious problem: he comes across as Sylvanas' little bitch.
And it can be solved so easily, just have him disobey one direct order. Like she orders him to attack a certain place, and Nathanos attacks somewhere else because it's a better tactical choice.
this story was amazing. I love lore you are the best
Alliance mad that they can't have awesome characters like Horde ;)
Genn got her good in Legion. Instant fan of his, after that.
"We will hold this ground... For The Horde"
Battleground moments 😂
I'd be more down to liking him if he showed some humanity at all. Maybe they'll have him be pushed to the point that his devotion is shattered and he shows true emotions for slyvanas as opposed to him just being her "bow holder." It would be cool/interesting to have him be the leader of the forsaken and more well rounded than having him grunt 24/7 and ask what slyvanas is doing all the time.
Is there a chance that you'll be doing a part 3 of this with the new Shadowlands content to finish up his story?
The last straw was when Sylvanas legitimately wanted to burn the world tree.
World Tree Center was an inside job.
Jet fuel can't melt steel trees
WoW! Did you see that?! He soloed a 121 lvl ELLITE mob! As a 120 lvl character! And he didnt even lose half his health! lol
17:15 "Go, my champion." I'm surprised how many people have missed this. We, the player, are not HER champion. She sends us on errands, quests and tasks, but she never really trusted us to begin with. We are a beacon of the Horde, but her trust and faith is in Nathanos. It happens in Legion a lot too (2:45 for example).
I cringe at how bad the reasoning is for the night elves following sylvanas is
How can a warden just so easily be swayed against Elune? It makes no sense and it is just stupid.
I sadly feels it falls under the 'rule of cool overrides good writing' which sadly is how some of the higher ups in the writing staff think and have admitted in one of the Q&A vids in the past.
@@weirdo7319 I could accept her being against Elune, Tyrande, the Alliance, whatever. But taking sides and joining the forsaken? Makes no sense whatsoever.
@ComocosonoEWL well said mate. Alliance is a bunch of racists, they like the nazis basically. We horde are open minded and accept everyone
@ComocosonoEWL And one more thing - imagine you believe in God, in someone who will take care of you, and he doesn´t. Yeah, it sucks, but it´s not enough to make you betray him/her. Dieing and finding out there is NOTHING after you die, not even a glimpse at your God or his/her might (or whatever else), that shakes ones spirit...
Thanks for this episode. However, you basically shared the *entire* plot to the book Warcraft: Before the Storm. Not sure what insight that brought to the story of Nathanos - other than revealing that for once, he was surprised by Sylvanas' actions. After all, those undead that she murdered were fleeing because they were overwhelmed with emotion at the reunion, not because they were betraying her. How long were they "not-alive" wondering about their living relatives? It's not a surprising reaction. Is Nathanos more alive than that empty hateful fear filled husk of a banshee?
this sounds more like a video about silvans to be honest, but still a good one!
Nathanos best boi, he gonna do something against Sylvanas's wishes for sure.
My god thank you so much for doing these videos!as someone who loves wow and wow lore.and but barely had the chance to play/buy book etc,people who do videos like this are the only thing that help me keep up.and you are one of the best!keep up the good work!😊
just in time AFTER I get to bed DAMNIT NOBBEL NOW I CANT SLEEP
3:02 "Meet me on RUAAGH when the vials are in place"
Nathanos = Sylvanas booty call even in death
Kinda makes you wonder how much further off the rails she'd fly if he got taken out for good?
Even in Ogrimmar you can seem him kneeling by a bone and bowl on a fur-rug. If that doesn't screen submissive to his dominatrix I don't know what does xD. If Genn Greymane is Anduin's dog, Nathanos is Slyvanas' puppy.
Nathanos is such a great character and perfect model design in wow. i love him and cant wait to see him in SL to show all his haters that once again he did what he wanted. (to die and go with Sylvanas and do the right thing)
3:30
"Greymane shoves his ass in nathanos face"
"Nathanos looks horrified"
"Greymane looks over in your direction
*YOU'RE NEXT*
Finally, just in time before i go to bed!
I believe the some of night elf are doing unwilling. the warden is doing willing the other isn't. the warden has abandon Elune in alliance part because she won't protect dark shore
Sylvanas: I want my people and I to live for as long as possible.
Delaryn: You have made life your enemy.
Me: The fuck?!!! How does that make any sense?!!!
Also me: Time to main Horde this expac. The Alliance have lost it.
Nathanos, Champion of Simps. cool lore, thanks for the vids!
Rockin' that Blood Elf Heritage Armor, eh Nobbel?
6:30 Greymane saving horde,alliance and azeroth single handedly
You should have also mentioned the little speech he has on the Banshee Wail ship in the port when you click on his dialog option. He says that he is this zealous in fighting Alliance for his own reasons, not just his loyalty to Sylvanas. Which you didn't even hint on. It appears that you were presenting the opposite message, that he does all he does only for Sylvanas.
Granted, his reason seems to be fabricated. He claims that Alliance turned on the Forsaken... but in fact, it was Sylvanas who decided to butcher the Alliance once they served their purpose in reclaiming ruins of Loarderon from the Dreadlords. Varimatras even commented on her being the same as demons in this regard.
On the other hand, it's that while the humans didn't betray the Forsaken, they didn't offer them a very good deal either. Garithos basically said that the Forsaken will just help them reclaim Loarderon, and then they will just get the fuck out of there because they are filthy undead. I guess that could be reason why Nathanos hates humans... but you know, it's really funny that in his entire story, no interaction with any human after his raise to the undeath is ever mentioned. So it looks like he just made up his other motivation to not appear so grotesquely evil to his own people.
Thank you for helping me to understand Sylvanas a little more.
I could see Nathanos killing Sylvanas in the end of BFA not because he wants to but because he feels as if he has too. I dunno prolly wrong but thats the feeling i get.
Your such a great story teller Nobbel! It is like a art you are perfecting!
Nathanos, The banshee queen personal white knight.
I respect Nathanos because he is ready to anything for lady Sylvanas, just like me. for the banshee queen forever.
I think he will take a large part in Sylvanas redemption. To not have a new Garrosh scenario, he will stop the her going full haywire or even sacrifice himself
i love sylvanas but honestly blizzard is probably gonna kill her off and have nathanos as the new leader. i'm really gonna miss her
As much as I LOVE your lore videos, having Dracula narrate them was an interesting choice.....
I'm firmly a Horde player.... But Nathanos's constant belittling and barking (I know I know, character development) makes me not be able to stand him. His fight with Greymane made me think of when Alabama versed Ohio State one year - the thought of "I wish they could somehow both lose" lol. Almost certain Sylvanas will have some sort of redemption story in Shadowlands and her loyal puppy will follow her. I'm more concerned with who will be the next warchief! I mean there's realistically if there even IS gonna be a new one there's only two choices - Cairne or Lor'Themar, but seeing as how Lor'Themar doesn't even wish to be the new "king" or "prince" of the belfs but to remain as Lord Regent I could see him choosing to follow Cairne. Doubt it will happen but I'd really love to see Rokhan become the new Troll leader then maybe him and Talanji getting together and uniting the trolls... But anyways, I'm rambling. Great videos about my least favorite (Horde) character!
I have not played in years, but love keeping up to date with you. He is pretty interesting :0)
You know if you actually pay attention to the lore it becomes so obvious what happens next.
he will either be killed in a major war quest on the alliance side or during the raid that kills Sylvanas.
I like Nathanos but as I see it the Horde always gets screwed when it comes to lore.
so how free are the forsaken really? if they are killed for "deserting" can they really be called free? seems more like sylvanas gave the forsaken the illusion of freedom, they are free as long as they serve her, if they don't serve her, then they are little more than scourge zombies on the lose.
They are free to not join Sylvanas, but when you join and then decide to betray and join the enemy, the fuck do you expect? Sylvanas just saying "I respect your choice, now go, tell our enemies literally every single weakness that could be exploited against us and expect zero repercussion because you have free will." Like, wouldn't the alliance kill anyone who defected to the horde? What you said makes exactly 0 sense
Do you think the alliance would not do the same to soldiers that deserted? If so you are a fool
There goes going to sleep in time
You know i've been a forsaken for a very long time and and from my expirience i can safely say that Sylvanas despite being Warchief she does whaever it takes to stay alive including killing her own people , betraying the horde, backstab her most loyal dog( Nethanos) because she's been there and thats a place she doesnt want to return and while personally i feel like story will tip the favor in Saurfang's side she will not go down easy so she will use every last ace up her undead sleve to reach her goal, all in the name of survival and also she's using the horde meat shields so she can create more forsaken and protect her amin.
Nathanos Blightcaller... a character so godawful I re-rolled Alliance.
i main a dwarf and after watching this regret calling him Nathanos Simpcaller throughout BFA
feels good today.
Am I wrong to have given up on wow but to love anything noble dose. If anyone can pull me back.. he is the way
DO NOT QUESTION ME NATHANOS!!! Banshee Queen takes no shit :D
if you're noticing as many have, they're bringing much old content into this exp. they'e also seeming to be hellbent on killing off old faction leaders. i'm guessing for some reason the pantheon, and keepers will be involved sometime after n'zoth returns. by blizz repeating how an exp plays out, we'll be thinking nazjatar is the big prob, then we'll encounter the black empire, this exp version of argus. by then sylvanas will have joined up with them. the factions will once more unite against a world ending foe.
remember that all of this darkshore shit started because of Mathias Shaw urging the alliance to attack the horde in Silithus
Sylvanus was scared of the alliance creating a superweapon to wipe her and her people out with all of the azerite that they were stealing out of silithus, so she decided to attack the main capital where all of the azerite was being shipped out of, Teldrassil
There was never a way to hold the tree. They'd have been busy fighting a insurgency while holding them hostage.
Why does no one recognize how absolutely genocidal Genn Greymane is in his efforts to outright destroy the Forsaken?
Wow, thats very interesting and good told!
And big thanks goes out to that eng subtitle because accustic i cannotr understand so much
With these night elves becoming dark ranger, I wish we will have dark rangers as a class for both factions.
ooooo! I like that idea!
Yay more elves
@@Autipsy can never have enough elves ;)
Thanks for the videos, very informative and intersting 😁
Hahaha look at Nathanos pissing his pants... Or wait, can he? 3:36
Hope he meets his end in the future.
One of my top favorite characters... I don't know what it is, but I like him. If he was a bit less spineless with Sylvanas I'd like him even more
that stormwind quest was embarrassing for blizz... zul set fire on a city made of stone with a box of matches and later on lost a fight without using magic... so stupidy!
I wonder, with the ritual to restore Nathanos. What if some aspect of the Valkyr's power is inside him? Probably not, but if it were I could mean a couple things. He could either, give his life to save Sylvanas as the Valkyr do, or perhaps he has some deep seated power to raise undead himself. As a potential Forsaken leader to replace Sylvanas, that'd be quite valuable to be able to raise people yourself.
He will offer up his life to save Sylvanas while she has her redemption arc. This will happen in the next expansion, WotLK2. (wild speculation)
dunno if Bolvar will be evil enough to start a whole expansion with him as the main bad dude
so far he's just concerned with sitting in his throne and keeping all of us from dying
i'd say if anything he'd probably turn against Sylvanus and thats how he ends up as the bad guy
We definitely need an update video if/when he comes back or is confirmed permanently dead
Well, he said to Tyrande "Kill me, you'll send me right to my queen." So its likely that, the remains of his soul where send to the maw and been consumed by the forges of the jailer.
I know where he is going to fit in. He is going to be one of the raid bosses that we get to kill. LOL!