I remember one time I died as a mage, I tried to blink away and Bwonsamdi literally said; "Dat blink didnt get ya very far, did it?" Bwosamdi you are such a smartass
This happened to me the other day and I was ANGRY, but in a good way lol. Had to text like three different people that I just got roasted by some zeros and ones in a fictional video game.
@@Kairos_Akuma I love it so much that they gave Bwonsamdi all these class-specific lines. Makes his character feel so much more alive in comparison to others.
What's really cool is about Bwosamdi, he actually has a special line for each class. Demon hunter: "Something about ya seem off...Ah, da stench of a demon hunter." Druid: "Ya not be dreaming now, mon." Death knight: "Ah, a death knight. Ya should come see MY death gate!" Hunter: "Ya be tryin' ta feign death, mon? Shame..." Mage: "Dat blink didn't get ya very far, did it?" Monk: "Hah! Ya didn't roll out of dat one." Paladin: "I think ya followed da wrong light, mon." Priest: "Oh, a priest! If ya ever consider a change of faith, you be sure to let old Bwonsamdi know, ya hear?" Rogue: "Ya can't be hidin' from Bwonsamdi, little ting." Shaman: "Oh, da spirits with with ya now, mon." Warlock: "Awww, did ya lose your little shiny soulstone, eh?" Warrior: "All that armor...didn't help ya much, did it?"
@@tri1937 why not? G'huun is an abomination. Created by the titan watchers from old god expirements. It wouldn't be hard to see why the old gods would hate it too
I don’t think he serves an old god but rather something we haven’t seen yet. N’zoth does have some influence over the dead supposedly but it would make Azshara seem like such a lesser character if she were just one of many god-tier powerhouses. I believe he, helya, and maybe even Azshara if she’s playing N’zoth for a fool are serving something on a near similar power level as the old gods but much more subtle. It could even be what sylvanas is really afraid of
I like the idea that Bwonsamdi's boss is Xibala, Rezan's mother. She is described with decay sounding powers, and when you kill a spirit at Xibala's bones it says "I go to Xibala..." She is also named after the Mayan underworld. It better not be an Old God. That's such a lazy copout. We need less things connected to Old Gods, there's way too much tied to them already.
Considering what Ghuun is, being both connected and not connected to the Old Gods, I think Blizzard are aware of this. He is not a product of the Old Gods, but of the Titans essentially making an Old God themselves accidentally. So, I'm fairly certain that Bwonsamdi's boss is not an Old God.
I love Bwansamdi, he reminds me of a lot of my older friends & relatives from the Caribbean with his humor & "trolling" lol. I also love how Blizzard made the Troll race a reflection of the African Diaspora.
I want to just clarify a few things about real life voodoo, but I'll just clarify what's in this video. Baron Samedi is a loa of the Ghede family in Lousisana Voodoo, as well as Haitian vodou. Yes there is a difference, both connected to the history of those places. Voodoo/vodou has a lot of negative connotations, but that mostly stems from propaganda and assimilation techniques to try and destroy African worship in Americas. That's actually why he's called Baron Samedi, as he is associated with Saturday and the French word for Saturday is Samedi. This is also why there tends to be catholic imagery used in real world voodoo, as the exchange of worshiping saints as their gods in exchange for keeping their beliefs alive.
I hope you read this nobbel, your videos is da shit, i love em and you explain lore in an entertaining and understandable way. KEEP GOING! Btw i’d love a video on grand apothecary putress, I really dont know any of his backstory, how did he become the grand apothecary? Who was he before he died?
If Senjin really did become a Loa, then perhaps that was the soul he lost long ago. And if this boss was not happy about one Darkspear becoming a Loa on his watch, then how would he feel about two?
Bwonsamdi is a quite the character with certain appeal in the lore. There is so much pointing to death and the Old Gods here, especially N'zoth. Can't wait to see how far they take this, and all the juicy bits of lore, as you pointed out, come to light. Keep up the great videos.
22:37 Love how Talanji casually apologizes for the whole thunder king resurrection to gain world domination plot... A bit like saying "you know, this Hitler dude seemed like he had some good ideas at the time"
26:52 Every Loa makes bargains, not just Bwonsamdi. They are not benefactors, or friends of the ones who use their powers, they just provide a service in exchange for some kind of payment, and that's why Shrivallah, Hi'reek and I suppose Nalorakk, were completely pissed at Gonk when he taught their Primalists/Priests/Witch Doctors who to become druids. Every new Darkspear Druid meant one less Witch Doctor doing their biding
I stand against the theory of N'zoth being Bwonsamdi's master, because then why would N'zoth allow Bwonsamdi to oppose G'huun in the first place? The Old Gods want their Black Empire back, to rule Azeroth and corrupt her titan soul. Working against one of their own kind seems counter productive. You ask me, it could be Xibala, the T-rex described as Rezan's mother, and so what could be the Loa of all Loa, and so "The Boss" Maybe Nobbel's Sen'Jin theory is possible. Or perhaps its the answer as to the spirituality of the trolls in Shadows of the Horde. So far all Loa have been animals of sorts. Bwonsamdi seems to be the only Loa that looks like a troll. What if "The Boss" is the First Loa, and he's also a troll, perhaps the Loa that brought the Trolls to existence. (Remember that we don't know how the Troll race came to be in the first place. They aren't fleshified Titan constructs like Dwarves, or descendants of giant creatures like the Orcs.). And of course it can be the ultimate manifestation of Death. The Death equivalent of Naaru or Void Lords. I just hope that if this is the case, they don't make Death the ultimate villain because: 1. That would just be too short-sighted. Death is not some ultimate evil, its just an aspect of nature, meant to keep Life in check. Hell is something that awaits you after Death, not Death itself, so to say. 2. Would be kind of boring, since how Death is something that can never be defeated, we'd end up facing off against it for all eternity.
G'huun is an artikificial creation by the titans. He's iin noo way connected to the other Old Gods. They were created directly by the void. G'huun is just some experiment. I doubt any of the true Old Gods would even care about it at all unless it is being used by them (or Just N'zoth) as a distraction. Other than that, N'zoth would be plausable, but, we shall see.
Maybe the old gods would work together in present day if it seemed like the only way to corrupt the titan soul, but back in the black empire days they actually waged war against each other all the time just to decide who would get to corrupt the soul. I feel like there's a better source for this but the only one I remember is that Xal'atath has some quotes about it. That said, I do HOPE he isn't a servant of N'zoth.
the old gods are not allies to each other, they probably wouldnt want any of the others gaining power if it can be avoided. im interested what they think of g'huun, assuming they even know about him
+Andre Ware, G'huun is not an Old God per se, he is an artificial being born of the Old God's pure desire to corrupt, other than that and him being created by the Titan keepers in research of Old Gods, he is not connected to them. +Mr. Bern, I think i heard that Bwonsamdi is not a Troll, something about him being older than Trolls, and instead is just taking their form, since they are his primary worshipers(dunno if any non-trolls even worship Loas...) Probably his boss is another being not yet introduced, the primal aspect of Death, and both Bwonsamdi and Helya work for him, since they both seem to have a similar purpose.(Bwon's "Other Side" and Helya's Helheim, both collecting souls...)
Didnt it feel like Bwomsamdi KNEW Rezan was going to be killed? When he says "..I will see ya in good time". He is gifting Rastakhan back to Rezan and knows Rezan will take Rastakahns place in the very near future.
From what the void told Alleria about Sylvanas, it sounds like death and the void are opposed to each other. So I'm guessing he is gonna help us against some old Gods.
Well, she is undead. She isn't about the peace of death, or ending. Undeath seems to be a counter force to death, a breaking of the cycle. Maybe undeath could be a way for the Naaru to avoid going void? Who knows. The lore is a bit fuzzy here.
I think death/undeath clears corruption or replaces it depending on how you look at it, Sally Whitemane suffered the SC madness of the Nathrezim in which case the Burning Legion but when brought back as a Deathknight she is cured.
As I understand it, the void can't corrupt undeads and that is why the voidlords fear Sylvanas. Remember the Scourge was created by the Burning Legion, presumably to fight the Void. And Sylvanas forsaken is pretty much what remains of the Scourge that we know of since we haven't heard much from Bolvar.
I know where Blizzard got the name Tyrathan Khort from. I think it’s from a place in Lord of the Rings named Cirith Unggol. The first time I heard Gandalf say it, I also thought he said Tyrathan Khort but apparently it’s Cirith Unggol.
27:47 There's also Samedi, another Loa inspired by Baron Samedi, Loa of the Grave (though Rezan calls that to Bwonsamdi, so Samedi might have been retconned), with the same basic domain as Bwonsamdi. There's also Mueh'zala, Loa of the dead among the Farraki trolls (there's even a shrine to him in Tal'Farrak, in Zuldazar). I'm betting on a new entity, on the same status as Elune (a fully god, not a demi-god as the Wild Gods or Elemental Lords are)
Makes sense for Bwonsamdi to be the one that set Sylvanas up as the Warchief. In shadows of the horde, when Vol'jin is interacting with him and having visions, Bwonsamdi urged vol'jin and was excited about one of the possible futures where he became warchief and lead the Horde as conquerors of azeroth, sparking endless war and bringing countless souls into Bwonsamdi's care. I would say that Sylvanas is doing a pretty good job of that so far.
Yogg-Saron's quote "Your petty quarrels only make me stronger!" has haunted me to this day.. I KNEW that this war and everything to do with it is just making every Old God stronger, more powerful and maybe even return from their prisons.. remember his death lines aswel, "Your fate is sealed! The end of days is finally upon you and all who inhabit this miserable little seedling! /then Old God gibberish that does have meaning.." I would like to see Yogg-Saron and C'Thun back honestly, I thought we only pushed them back into their prisons by killing their physical manifestations and didn't outright kill them? Because killing an Old God is probably just as bad as letting one loose.
just FYI Nobbel Haitian is pronounced Hey-shen. Btw they actually changed the quest text since early beta.. in late beta it no longer had a limit of souls you give to Bwonsamdi. Instead of saying a million, it just says something like "You'll keep me favor and I'll help you out, so long as you keep sending me souls." The problem with the deal Bwonsamdi makes with Rastakhan is it's actually easily broken.. "all those that succeed you" all Talanji has to do is not succeed him to the throne of Zandalar and the deal is broken.. So she can just hook up with Rokahn and become queen of the Darkspear instead of Zandalar and the pact is broken. :D
BUT by not following him to rule Zandalar then the line of succession would be broken and they'd be free from the deal. Gotta learn how to read between the lines..
Or looking at deals at face value and following the letter of the law. This is how Fey work, saying jive like "I will not kill you" doesnt mean they wont have someone else do it in their stead
We do not really know if it is the Void that wants her dead or just Alleria herself in a way. Maybe she is "imagining" the Whispers telling her to kill Sylvanas because she hates her
Don't really see why Zandalar would turn into a wasteland because of Bwonsamdi. The Darkspear revered him, and the Echo Isles were pretty nice. Also he seems to mostly want spirits; the best way for him to get spirits would surely be to help Zandalar prosper. More power and wealth for the living = more baby trolls = more spirits to come to ole Bwonsamdi in the end.
I think the last spirit Bwonsamdi lost before Vol'jin was Sen'jin. There's speculation that Sen'jin ascended to being a loa, and now there's speculation that Vol'jin became a loa as well. Loa could be out of Bwonsamdi's domain, since loa don't 'die' in the sense that mortals do. Like wild gods, most 'dead' loas' souls just rest on a different plain from the physical until they are summoned back. However, there seems to be permadeath for loa whose essence/power are consumed.
He *had* Torga's spirit. If he didn't have it, why would we have to talk to him in the first place to be able to communicate with Torga? Torga was under Bwonsamdi's care, and Bwonsamdi called Torga back from the other side to talk with us after we gave him something. Torga's reincarnation was not a guarantee, if we hadn't intervened he wouldn't have been reincarnated. And he would have stayed under Bwonsamdi's care.
Bwonsamdi literally says "you bring me da soul of *another* loa, then I get you Torga's spirit". Another as in, he already has one - Torga. Don't get nitpicky about word choices, there is literally nothing about that quest to suggest the Loa exists in some special immune-to-bwonsamdi status. Everything about it on its face suggests Bwonsamdi has Torga in death.
Hey nobbel! Me and the husband have been watching you for a couple years now and were wondering will you do a video on Nathanos? With him as sylvanas champion hes changed quite abit and idk much on who he really is or where he came from.
I mentioned him a bit during the story of sylvanas/horde war campaign & a big chunk of his story is told in the Dark Mirror. I'll keep it in mind though! He's prob going to get some bigger char development during B4A, would make a fun video.
I like the idea of his boss being Mueh'zala. It's the only loa from the Tablet of Theka in Zul'Farrak that we haven't seen yet. Kimbul and Shadra are the other two mentioned on the tablet. The Travelers book does well to show how evil he is - wouldn't surprise me that Bwonsamdi would be afraid of him.
It still pissed me off Vul Jin just gets stabbed ny a faceless demon and just flmg dies! They give Wrynn this big cinematic bad ass death And Vul Jin gets stabbed....
Neither Bwonsamdi, nor any other Loa, is in tandem with the Old Gods. Loa need the living to go on, and specially Bwonsamdi, he needs people to continue killing each other, and being born again. He cannot claim Old Gods's "souls." The Dark Empire coming back would only make him weaker in the long term
I would love a speculation video on what Loa Vol'jin will be and who Bwonsamdi works for. I can't really put my finger on either of them, but I love the idea that Vol'jin will be a Loa. Also, the potential for the "boss" of Bwonsamdi to be any of the old gods or the titans is sooooo cool. Personally, I think since we already dealt with the titans that it will be an old god that Bwonsamdi "works" for., I just don't know who. It would parley into the future pretty well, though, because it could introduce a new one of the old gods. Then if we have Bwonsamdi withhold his spirits in order to weaken that god so we can vanquish it, that would be quite awesome. This all makes me sooo excited for the future.
I suspect that death as a theme is going to play a bigger part in whatever expansion comes next. Between this, the peeks we see of the realm of the dead Thros, and of the implication that Lich King Bolvar Fordragon is doing something in the background suggests that something big is coming.
Honestly everything about Troll culture is somehow very comforting and happy. You can choose your Loa to guide your path and follow your dreams, and even death only means that you meet your old friend Bwonsamdi as he brings you over to your ancestors.
While i don't know who Bwonsamdis boss could be i think Vol jin may become the new Loa of death at the end of this expansion. That way the Zandalar will be bound to him, which seems a lot less worse than being bound to Bwonsamdi.
he is by far the most standout and best character in this expansion in my personal opinion and i just fucking love his personality and just everything about him.
If what you're doing(in the end of the vid) is considered "rambling" by all means Nobbel87, ramble on till your hearts 100% content!!!! I love your videos and all your what if's!!!! :)
This hit me so hard in the feels man. Blizzard did such an awesome job by even deciding to honor Vol'jin and to the extent of taking him to where all troll kings rest and even more, possibly making him a Loa. I wonder what he be de Loa of? Loa of Execution perhaps? Mainly cause he did execute Zalazane. Or better yet, De Loa of Da Horde?
yo so like i was doing the unlock quest to have zandalari and in the final part where all the loa are as you leave zul jin is there but vanishes shortly after he comes into frame
Watching the video shows you how much the writing has changed or is now under a different writer, before BFA he was more solem and serious and also sincere. In BFA he is lighthearted, joking and scheming, it's not just the voice actor, the loa's character has been changed
There is some mess in lore. Void lords created old gods and they whispering to Alleria to kill Sylvanas because they scared. So Sylvanas enemy of old gods, it can't be N'Zoth behind that.
They whisper to Alleria to kill Sylvanas because they want everyone to kill each other and turn to madness. They don't want people cooperating and making alliances. There's no hidden meaning behind that.
Don't think that's the case. If it was Vereesa, that vengeful bitch, I'd sort of understand. She really does despise anything to do with the Horde including Sylvanas, but Alleria can't really hate Sylvanas that much in order for the void to push her that way that much. It would make more sense if they whispered murder, destroy or something like that which is a more general expression and less Sylvanas oriented. I feel it's as the OP says, not sure though, you never really know until they make it official. xD
Looks to be Bwomsamdi is tied closely to the Shadowlands. It's been in Alpha and probably Beta. I believe this was a setup for next expansion, and it's one I do very much look forward to! Shadowlands and Bwomsamdi are a perfect connection in terms of thematics and that.
Bwonsamdi is awesome, but I can't help but laugh at a dream I had about him a while back. In my dream, I was sitting on a couch in some study like room, with a bookshelf full of old looking books. There was an old, 90's looking non-HD TV on a wooden table. Playing on the TV was Bwonsamdi being interviewed on some late night talk show. In it, he was saying how he would sit on the floor with his legs behind his head and hold his breath until he was light headed and blue in the face. Then he would get up and strut around while flapping his arms and clucking like a chicken. He went on to explain something like: "Dis technique enhances de natural powers already bestowed upon Bwonsamdi."
I haven't been too active in the wow lore recently, but it just hit me; when Vol'jin died and was about to announce the new warchief, he said something like "the loa speaks a name, many will not understand", maybe it was Bwonsamdi who said to Vol'jin to make Sylvanas warchief? Since he's the Loa of death, he'll probably like Sylvanas since she's (un)dead
Hey nobbel! have u checked on bolvar the new lich king and the death knight classes since the legion expansion? u will be surprised! im telling u cz ur the best one to tell lores and stuffs cz i suck
Hey, Nobbel. I am aware that this is unrelated to the video, but it’s the only way I can think of to contact ya. I have two suggestions for videos that you can do. The first: a video speculation on potential future stories that could bring Vol’jin back to the living. I know how much you disliked how they disposed of Vol’jin, and I think it’d be a fun project to see you and maybe other youtubers as well speculate on how he may return. The second is a request for a video that I looked for on RUclips and searched on the web for, but to no avail. I am curious if you would be interested in making a voice acted machinima or at least writing a story on what would’ve been different had Kael’Thas not begun to use fel magic.
they are _so_ building up a big bad on the side of death and i'm living for it. think about sylvanas and bwonsamdi - they serve the same master, knowingly or not, it'd make perfect sense for bwonsamdi to swindle sylvi to a position of greater power, even if there is no prior interaction between the two
I think the most important question that should be asked is who is the Loa of Life? If Bwonsamdi is for death, then surely he has a counterpart that could possibly throw a wrench in his or his boss's schemes.
In some way, life and death are not opposed as in warring eachother, they are opposed in the sense that if you're not alive, you're (usually, see: Undeath) dead... so life and death are not enemies, but just different parts of a cycle of nature. I think it could be that some god of death is actually working together with some kind of force for life, too. It'll probably be something else, though, but I don't find the idea so farfetched.
We were talking about who is he serving and we found Mueh'zala, seems like rly powerful loa with titles like Death and God of death, hes from zul farak, and apperently There is a shrine to Mueh'zala in Tal'farrak in Zuldazar
So, question. I got zandalar forever and the cinematic of the seal getting blown up. But I never ran into the city and had bwonsamdi pop up and raise spirits, or fought anything like you did. What triggers that?
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I remember one time I died as a mage, I tried to blink away and Bwonsamdi literally said; "Dat blink didnt get ya very far, did it?"
Bwosamdi you are such a smartass
This happened to me the other day and I was ANGRY, but in a good way lol. Had to text like three different people that I just got roasted by some zeros and ones in a fictional video game.
For my hunter, he said "ya be tryin' to feign death, mon? Tsk. Oh no no no..." or something like that. These references are fckin awesome dude
@@bobthedestroyer6205 For Priests he basically says if you ever want to worship something else..to just give him a call xD
@@Kairos_Akuma I love it so much that they gave Bwonsamdi all these class-specific lines. Makes his character feel so much more alive in comparison to others.
What's really cool is about Bwosamdi, he actually has a special line for each class.
Demon hunter: "Something about ya seem off...Ah, da stench of a demon hunter."
Druid: "Ya not be dreaming now, mon."
Death knight: "Ah, a death knight. Ya should come see MY death gate!"
Hunter: "Ya be tryin' ta feign death, mon? Shame..."
Mage: "Dat blink didn't get ya very far, did it?"
Monk: "Hah! Ya didn't roll out of dat one."
Paladin: "I think ya followed da wrong light, mon."
Priest: "Oh, a priest! If ya ever consider a change of faith, you be sure to let old Bwonsamdi know, ya hear?"
Rogue: "Ya can't be hidin' from Bwonsamdi, little ting."
Shaman: "Oh, da spirits with with ya now, mon."
Warlock: "Awww, did ya lose your little shiny soulstone, eh?"
Warrior: "All that armor...didn't help ya much, did it?"
The warrior one makes me really think how the hell do warriors compete with the other classes?
I love the demon hunter one.
What does he mean by ''wrong light''?
Charles Winters it might be referring to the saying “light at the end of the tunnel”
really nice.
I really hope Bwomsamdi doesn't turn up being an Old God minion. I'll be so sad ):
If he was an old god minion I don’t think he would’ve helped us murder ghuun
With how Blizzard treats Horde-alinged characters that aren't 100% goodies, probably. >.>
@@tri1937 why not? G'huun is an abomination. Created by the titan watchers from old god expirements. It wouldn't be hard to see why the old gods would hate it too
Dick Piano We already know the N'zoth Via the Nazjatar were aiding Zul, and G'huun. So that isn't the case.
I don’t think he serves an old god but rather something we haven’t seen yet. N’zoth does have some influence over the dead supposedly but it would make Azshara seem like such a lesser character if she were just one of many god-tier powerhouses. I believe he, helya, and maybe even Azshara if she’s playing N’zoth for a fool are serving something on a near similar power level as the old gods but much more subtle. It could even be what sylvanas is really afraid of
I like the idea that Bwonsamdi's boss is Xibala, Rezan's mother. She is described with decay sounding powers, and when you kill a spirit at Xibala's bones it says "I go to Xibala..." She is also named after the Mayan underworld.
It better not be an Old God. That's such a lazy copout. We need less things connected to Old Gods, there's way too much tied to them already.
Considering what Ghuun is, being both connected and not connected to the Old Gods, I think Blizzard are aware of this. He is not a product of the Old Gods, but of the Titans essentially making an Old God themselves accidentally.
So, I'm fairly certain that Bwonsamdi's boss is not an Old God.
+Elector522 i agree, i hope the boss of Bwonsamdi is a complete new character
What Old Gods, there are no Old Gods in this expansion, it's about a faction war remember? :D
If it's not Xibala, then I hope it's Argus.
Lol
I love Bwansamdi, he reminds me of a lot of my older friends & relatives from the Caribbean with his humor & "trolling" lol. I also love how Blizzard made the Troll race a reflection of the African Diaspora.
The pure horror on Rastakhan's face when Bwonsamdi puts his hand on his shoulder, it's amazing.
I am so happy Vol Jin is back ! Please be a Loa ! My Warchief and now my loa
I want to just clarify a few things about real life voodoo, but I'll just clarify what's in this video. Baron Samedi is a loa of the Ghede family in Lousisana Voodoo, as well as Haitian vodou. Yes there is a difference, both connected to the history of those places. Voodoo/vodou has a lot of negative connotations, but that mostly stems from propaganda and assimilation techniques to try and destroy African worship in Americas. That's actually why he's called Baron Samedi, as he is associated with Saturday and the French word for Saturday is Samedi. This is also why there tends to be catholic imagery used in real world voodoo, as the exchange of worshiping saints as their gods in exchange for keeping their beliefs alive.
Best character in bfa so far
@meh moi I apologize for my heresy
You mean Jani, right?
Nobbel you're a boss and an invaluable help to people like me who love the lore but just can't process it all themselves.
I hope you read this nobbel, your videos is da shit, i love em and you explain lore in an entertaining and understandable way. KEEP GOING!
Btw i’d love a video on grand apothecary putress, I really dont know any of his backstory, how did he become the grand apothecary? Who was he before he died?
If Senjin really did become a Loa, then perhaps that was the soul he lost long ago. And if this boss was not happy about one Darkspear becoming a Loa on his watch, then how would he feel about two?
Bwomsandi is best loa!
Shadowman should’ve made a deal with him. lol
What about my boi Kragwa?
Kristian W Jani FTW
Honestly all races should conform to troll culture or be killed.
I bet he loves apples.
If you know what I mean.
you reckon it's cause apples keeps doctors away and he's a god of death?
@@CharxGaming It's a death note reference I believe.
@@recksonkhiangte1488 it's gonna blow your mind to know ryuk from deathnote is also a god of death
lol i got Ryuk vibes too xD
everybody's making death note references and i'm just sat here thinking about how much bwonsamdi reminds me of james woods's hades
"He's got friends on the other side."
De other side
Bwonsamdi is a quite the character with certain appeal in the lore. There is so much pointing to death and the Old Gods here, especially N'zoth. Can't wait to see how far they take this, and all the juicy bits of lore, as you pointed out, come to light. Keep up the great videos.
22:37 Love how Talanji casually apologizes for the whole thunder king resurrection to gain world domination plot...
A bit like saying "you know, this Hitler dude seemed like he had some good ideas at the time"
i love Bwondsamdi being the spirit healer, best char this expac and im an ally
Oh, is this the new Deathnote series?
Oh nevermind, just Bwonsomdi...
Now all we need is a troll that eats potato chips.
26:52 Every Loa makes bargains, not just Bwonsamdi. They are not benefactors, or friends of the ones who use their powers, they just provide a service in exchange for some kind of payment, and that's why Shrivallah, Hi'reek and I suppose Nalorakk, were completely pissed at Gonk when he taught their Primalists/Priests/Witch Doctors who to become druids. Every new Darkspear Druid meant one less Witch Doctor doing their biding
I stand against the theory of N'zoth being Bwonsamdi's master, because then why would N'zoth allow Bwonsamdi to oppose G'huun in the first place? The Old Gods want their Black Empire back, to rule Azeroth and corrupt her titan soul. Working against one of their own kind seems counter productive.
You ask me, it could be Xibala, the T-rex described as Rezan's mother, and so what could be the Loa of all Loa, and so "The Boss"
Maybe Nobbel's Sen'Jin theory is possible. Or perhaps its the answer as to the spirituality of the trolls in Shadows of the Horde. So far all Loa have been animals of sorts. Bwonsamdi seems to be the only Loa that looks like a troll. What if "The Boss" is the First Loa, and he's also a troll, perhaps the Loa that brought the Trolls to existence. (Remember that we don't know how the Troll race came to be in the first place. They aren't fleshified Titan constructs like Dwarves, or descendants of giant creatures like the Orcs.).
And of course it can be the ultimate manifestation of Death. The Death equivalent of Naaru or Void Lords. I just hope that if this is the case, they don't make Death the ultimate villain because:
1. That would just be too short-sighted. Death is not some ultimate evil, its just an aspect of nature, meant to keep Life in check. Hell is something that awaits you after Death, not Death itself, so to say.
2. Would be kind of boring, since how Death is something that can never be defeated, we'd end up facing off against it for all eternity.
G'huun is an artikificial creation by the titans. He's iin noo way connected to the other Old Gods. They were created directly by the void. G'huun is just some experiment.
I doubt any of the true Old Gods would even care about it at all unless it is being used by them (or Just N'zoth) as a distraction. Other than that, N'zoth would be plausable, but, we shall see.
Also G'huun loves undead which Bwonsamdi and the old gods hate. You can't take the soal of an undead and they can't be void corrupted.
Maybe the old gods would work together in present day if it seemed like the only way to corrupt the titan soul, but back in the black empire days they actually waged war against each other all the time just to decide who would get to corrupt the soul. I feel like there's a better source for this but the only one I remember is that Xal'atath has some quotes about it. That said, I do HOPE he isn't a servant of N'zoth.
the old gods are not allies to each other, they probably wouldnt want any of the others gaining power if it can be avoided.
im interested what they think of g'huun, assuming they even know about him
+Andre Ware, G'huun is not an Old God per se, he is an artificial being born of the Old God's pure desire to corrupt, other than that and him being created by the Titan keepers in research of Old Gods, he is not connected to them.
+Mr. Bern, I think i heard that Bwonsamdi is not a Troll, something about him being older than Trolls, and instead is just taking their form, since they are his primary worshipers(dunno if any non-trolls even worship Loas...)
Probably his boss is another being not yet introduced, the primal aspect of Death, and both Bwonsamdi and Helya work for him, since they both seem to have a similar purpose.(Bwon's "Other Side" and Helya's Helheim, both collecting souls...)
Didnt it feel like Bwomsamdi KNEW Rezan was going to be killed? When he says "..I will see ya in good time". He is gifting Rastakhan back to Rezan and knows Rezan will take Rastakahns place in the very near future.
From what the void told Alleria about Sylvanas, it sounds like death and the void are opposed to each other. So I'm guessing he is gonna help us against some old Gods.
Well, she is undead. She isn't about the peace of death, or ending. Undeath seems to be a counter force to death, a breaking of the cycle. Maybe undeath could be a way for the Naaru to avoid going void? Who knows. The lore is a bit fuzzy here.
I think death/undeath clears corruption or replaces it depending on how you look at it, Sally Whitemane suffered the SC madness of the Nathrezim in which case the Burning Legion but when brought back as a Deathknight she is cured.
As I understand it, the void can't corrupt undeads and that is why the voidlords fear Sylvanas. Remember the Scourge was created by the Burning Legion, presumably to fight the Void. And Sylvanas forsaken is pretty much what remains of the Scourge that we know of since we haven't heard much from Bolvar.
I know where Blizzard got the name Tyrathan Khort from. I think it’s from a place in Lord of the Rings named Cirith Unggol. The first time I heard Gandalf say it, I also thought he said Tyrathan Khort but apparently it’s Cirith Unggol.
27:47 There's also Samedi, another Loa inspired by Baron Samedi, Loa of the Grave (though Rezan calls that to Bwonsamdi, so Samedi might have been retconned), with the same basic domain as Bwonsamdi. There's also Mueh'zala, Loa of the dead among the Farraki trolls (there's even a shrine to him in Tal'Farrak, in Zuldazar). I'm betting on a new entity, on the same status as Elune (a fully god, not a demi-god as the Wild Gods or Elemental Lords are)
Nice video. Now we know that his boss was Muehl’zala. But as he says in the dungeon after defeating his boss. He is the bossmon now!❤️
Makes sense for Bwonsamdi to be the one that set Sylvanas up as the Warchief. In shadows of the horde, when Vol'jin is interacting with him and having visions, Bwonsamdi urged vol'jin and was excited about one of the possible futures where he became warchief and lead the Horde as conquerors of azeroth, sparking endless war and bringing countless souls into Bwonsamdi's care. I would say that Sylvanas is doing a pretty good job of that so far.
Wow the Horde story line looks so good!
Yogg-Saron's quote "Your petty quarrels only make me stronger!" has haunted me to this day.. I KNEW that this war and everything to do with it is just making every Old God stronger, more powerful and maybe even return from their prisons.. remember his death lines aswel, "Your fate is sealed! The end of days is finally upon you and all who inhabit this miserable little seedling! /then Old God gibberish that does have meaning.." I would like to see Yogg-Saron and C'Thun back honestly, I thought we only pushed them back into their prisons by killing their physical manifestations and didn't outright kill them? Because killing an Old God is probably just as bad as letting one loose.
Mueh’zala is revealed to be Bwonsamdi’s boss in Shadowlands, but all of you know that by now.
He’s also the Loa who set Sylvanas as Warchief.
just FYI Nobbel Haitian is pronounced Hey-shen. Btw they actually changed the quest text since early beta.. in late beta it no longer had a limit of souls you give to Bwonsamdi. Instead of saying a million, it just says something like "You'll keep me favor and I'll help you out, so long as you keep sending me souls." The problem with the deal Bwonsamdi makes with Rastakhan is it's actually easily broken.. "all those that succeed you" all Talanji has to do is not succeed him to the throne of Zandalar and the deal is broken.. So she can just hook up with Rokahn and become queen of the Darkspear instead of Zandalar and the pact is broken. :D
The Darkspear also follow Bwonsamdi. Just saying.
BUT by not following him to rule Zandalar then the line of succession would be broken and they'd be free from the deal. Gotta learn how to read between the lines..
Or looking at deals at face value and following the letter of the law. This is how Fey work, saying jive like "I will not kill you" doesnt mean they wont have someone else do it in their stead
jive? did we just pop back to the 20's?
nope, to the 70's and 80's
Someone working for the Old Gods giving power to Sylvanas would be very odd considering how much the Void wants her dead in Alleria's whispers.
We do not really know if it is the Void that wants her dead or just Alleria herself in a way. Maybe she is "imagining" the Whispers telling her to kill Sylvanas because she hates her
i haven't watched any of your vids since cata. nice work as always.
I need a bumper sticker that says “Bwonsamdi is my copilot”
Same
Don't really see why Zandalar would turn into a wasteland because of Bwonsamdi. The Darkspear revered him, and the Echo Isles were pretty nice. Also he seems to mostly want spirits; the best way for him to get spirits would surely be to help Zandalar prosper. More power and wealth for the living = more baby trolls = more spirits to come to ole Bwonsamdi in the end.
Jani = best loa
My IRL name is Jani lol
I think the last spirit Bwonsamdi lost before Vol'jin was Sen'jin. There's speculation that Sen'jin ascended to being a loa, and now there's speculation that Vol'jin became a loa as well. Loa could be out of Bwonsamdi's domain, since loa don't 'die' in the sense that mortals do. Like wild gods, most 'dead' loas' souls just rest on a different plain from the physical until they are summoned back. However, there seems to be permadeath for loa whose essence/power are consumed.
Bwonsamdi has the spirit of Torga, in Nazmir. Loa are definitely still under his domain, when they die.
@@Kuuribro He doesn't have Torga's spirit, he just let's us talk to Torga. Toga got reborn.
He *had* Torga's spirit. If he didn't have it, why would we have to talk to him in the first place to be able to communicate with Torga? Torga was under Bwonsamdi's care, and Bwonsamdi called Torga back from the other side to talk with us after we gave him something.
Torga's reincarnation was not a guarantee, if we hadn't intervened he wouldn't have been reincarnated. And he would have stayed under Bwonsamdi's care.
Kuuribro youiterally said it he called him back that doesn’t mean he has or had him
Bwonsamdi literally says "you bring me da soul of *another* loa, then I get you Torga's spirit". Another as in, he already has one - Torga. Don't get nitpicky about word choices, there is literally nothing about that quest to suggest the Loa exists in some special immune-to-bwonsamdi status. Everything about it on its face suggests Bwonsamdi has Torga in death.
Hey nobbel! Me and the husband have been watching you for a couple years now and were wondering will you do a video on Nathanos? With him as sylvanas champion hes changed quite abit and idk much on who he really is or where he came from.
I mentioned him a bit during the story of sylvanas/horde war campaign & a big chunk of his story is told in the Dark Mirror. I'll keep it in mind though! He's prob going to get some bigger char development during B4A, would make a fun video.
or the bald jailer guy has a iq of 1000 and outsmarts all these villians lol
I like the idea of his boss being Mueh'zala. It's the only loa from the Tablet of Theka in Zul'Farrak that we haven't seen yet. Kimbul and Shadra are the other two mentioned on the tablet. The Travelers book does well to show how evil he is - wouldn't surprise me that Bwonsamdi would be afraid of him.
Rastakhan definitely screwed Talanji with the deal he made with Bwonsamdi...
Bwomsamdi has become my favourite character currently, he is too damn enjoyable and entertaining.
Man I love the storytelling in this expansion. Especially all the troll stuff, Bwonsamdi is so cool. Also I bethes gonna be a raid boss one day.
Get me in here nobbel I’ve been waiting for this one my man
WTB Shadowhunter class for the horde
and perheps Tide Sages for the alliance
I feel like tide sages would be a narrow class. they could be Healer/Dps class.
Adorabeezle Winterpop Wouldn’t that just be a Shaman?
It still pissed me off Vul Jin just gets stabbed ny a faceless demon and just flmg dies!
They give Wrynn this big cinematic bad ass death
And Vul Jin gets stabbed....
arthas says the same thing as the king of zuldur: i have taken Care of everything
“Ya can't be hidin' from Bwonsamdi, little ting, no”
I love Bwonsamdi my new favorite character he's great maybe my favorite of all time
probably my favorite character in the whole game rn
I love the group you’re with in that video😂😂😂 RPG to the max
Neither Bwonsamdi, nor any other Loa, is in tandem with the Old Gods. Loa need the living to go on, and specially Bwonsamdi, he needs people to continue killing each other, and being born again. He cannot claim Old Gods's "souls." The Dark Empire coming back would only make him weaker in the long term
14:25 sounds a lot like the drums that play during N'zoth's bits in the Azshara cinematic
Sidenote: where the hell is thrall? Wasn't he supposed to be a big part of this expac? I need some green jesus in my life
He did like Guile said. He went home and became a family man.
He unsubbed like most others to play switch.
I would love a speculation video on what Loa Vol'jin will be and who Bwonsamdi works for. I can't really put my finger on either of them, but I love the idea that Vol'jin will be a Loa. Also, the potential for the "boss" of Bwonsamdi to be any of the old gods or the titans is sooooo cool. Personally, I think since we already dealt with the titans that it will be an old god that Bwonsamdi "works" for., I just don't know who. It would parley into the future pretty well, though, because it could introduce a new one of the old gods. Then if we have Bwonsamdi withhold his spirits in order to weaken that god so we can vanquish it, that would be quite awesome. This all makes me sooo excited for the future.
I suspect that death as a theme is going to play a bigger part in whatever expansion comes next. Between this, the peeks we see of the realm of the dead Thros, and of the implication that Lich King Bolvar Fordragon is doing something in the background suggests that something big is coming.
4:55 He knew that he was gonna become a great... witch doctor
Honestly everything about Troll culture is somehow very comforting and happy. You can choose your Loa to guide your path and follow your dreams, and even death only means that you meet your old friend Bwonsamdi as he brings you over to your ancestors.
He seems like a perfect amalgamation of Ryuk and Dr. Facilier. with a dash of Hades... or is it just me? :D
HEK HEK HEK HEK
9:55 I…I didn’t…I didn’t know he was there… He actually came for Vol’jin’s funeral…
*starts crying* I’M GONNA GO NOW.
That pink rapters quests are the main reason why didn't pick zuldazar to quest in fire @ 0:04.
why is vol'jin the only one who is aload to wear shoes? at 3:16.
Bc he's the best >:)
While i don't know who Bwonsamdis boss could be i think Vol jin may become the new Loa of death at the end of this expansion. That way the Zandalar will be bound to him, which seems a lot less worse than being bound to Bwonsamdi.
Bwomsandi power has been confirmed the power to jump really high...
It buffs heroic leap making it so that there's always a path available
I feel like there's gonna be a war between Bwonsamdi and Helya for Sylvannys
he is by far the most standout and best character in this expansion in my personal opinion and i just fucking love his personality and just everything about him.
If what you're doing(in the end of the vid) is considered "rambling" by all means Nobbel87, ramble on till your hearts 100% content!!!! I love your videos and all your what if's!!!! :)
BFA ending - Bwonsamdi redeems Sylvanas, She takes back Azshara's highborne (insert playable highborne), and Nathanos takes over undead.
I know nathanos is undead but after the ritual he did is he...
Bang-able ? 😂
@@lolosh99 he better be
This hit me so hard in the feels man. Blizzard did such an awesome job by even deciding to honor Vol'jin and to the extent of taking him to where all troll kings rest and even more, possibly making him a Loa. I wonder what he be de Loa of? Loa of Execution perhaps? Mainly cause he did execute Zalazane. Or better yet, De Loa of Da Horde?
yo so like i was doing the unlock quest to have zandalari and in the final part where all the loa are as you leave zul jin is there but vanishes shortly after he comes into frame
Watching the video shows you how much the writing has changed or is now under a different writer, before BFA he was more solem and serious and also sincere. In BFA he is lighthearted, joking and scheming, it's not just the voice actor, the loa's character has been changed
There is some mess in lore. Void lords created old gods and they whispering to Alleria to kill Sylvanas because they scared. So Sylvanas enemy of old gods, it can't be N'Zoth behind that.
They whisper to Alleria to kill Sylvanas because they want everyone to kill each other and turn to madness. They don't want people cooperating and making alliances. There's no hidden meaning behind that.
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Don't think that's the case. If it was Vereesa, that vengeful bitch, I'd sort of understand. She really does despise anything to do with the Horde including Sylvanas, but Alleria can't really hate Sylvanas that much in order for the void to push her that way that much. It would make more sense if they whispered murder, destroy or something like that which is a more general expression and less Sylvanas oriented. I feel it's as the OP says, not sure though, you never really know until they make it official. xD
Yay you posted this I asked like 6 times
Vol'jins voice brought back so many memories
Can you do the story of Gortuk in Drustar and what the blighted lands are?
I just love him he is just so much fun he really reminds me of the villain in princess and the frog in a good way
How do you keep predicting stuff?? 2 years later we get a whole expansion based on the after life.
Looks to be Bwomsamdi is tied closely to the Shadowlands. It's been in Alpha and probably Beta.
I believe this was a setup for next expansion, and it's one I do very much look forward to!
Shadowlands and Bwomsamdi are a perfect connection in terms of thematics and that.
Bwonsamdi is awesome, but I can't help but laugh at a dream I had about him a while back.
In my dream, I was sitting on a couch in some study like room, with a bookshelf full of old looking books. There was an old, 90's looking non-HD TV on a wooden table. Playing on the TV was Bwonsamdi being interviewed on some late night talk show. In it, he was saying how he would sit on the floor with his legs behind his head and hold his breath until he was light headed and blue in the face. Then he would get up and strut around while flapping his arms and clucking like a chicken. He went on to explain something like: "Dis technique enhances de natural powers already bestowed upon Bwonsamdi."
I wish I Jani could be my Loa, maybe even learn if she works with Grifta or not
Ps. Happy to see Grifta doing well after legion.
She? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
she has 213M health, something very suss with that :D
I haven't been too active in the wow lore recently, but it just hit me; when Vol'jin died and was about to announce the new warchief, he said something like "the loa speaks a name, many will not understand", maybe it was Bwonsamdi who said to Vol'jin to make Sylvanas warchief? Since he's the Loa of death, he'll probably like Sylvanas since she's (un)dead
Perhaps the "Loa" whispering to Vol'jin in his final moments was an old god in disguise telling him to put Sylvannas in charge just for the shear caos
really hoping you can do the story leading up to Uldir next, because as Alliance we have no clue what we're doing there
Hey nobbel! have u checked on bolvar the new lich king and the death knight classes since the legion expansion? u will be surprised!
im telling u cz ur the best one to tell lores and stuffs cz i suck
he is the best, I enjoyed playing BFA wonderful story telling. Not to mention De other side dungeon in SL.
Hey, Nobbel.
I am aware that this is unrelated to the video, but it’s the only way I can think of to contact ya. I have two suggestions for videos that you can do. The first: a video speculation on potential future stories that could bring Vol’jin back to the living. I know how much you disliked how they disposed of Vol’jin, and I think it’d be a fun project to see you and maybe other youtubers as well speculate on how he may return. The second is a request for a video that I looked for on RUclips and searched on the web for, but to no avail. I am curious if you would be interested in making a voice acted machinima or at least writing a story on what would’ve been different had Kael’Thas not begun to use fel magic.
I think it would be cool if voljin becomes the new loan of Kings or maybe he becomes the loa of the horde.
"BWOMSAMDI! I HAVE COME TO BARGAIN"
they are _so_ building up a big bad on the side of death and i'm living for it. think about sylvanas and bwonsamdi - they serve the same master, knowingly or not, it'd make perfect sense for bwonsamdi to swindle sylvi to a position of greater power, even if there is no prior interaction between the two
I think the most important question that should be asked is who is the Loa of Life? If Bwonsamdi is for death, then surely he has a counterpart that could possibly throw a wrench in his or his boss's schemes.
maybe the loa of life itself is the boss he talks about... :o
That can make for a good twist. We've seen just how not-so-pleasant an embodiment of the Light can be.
Yeah, I doubt it would finally be that, but who knows, it's fun to entertain that idea :)
For sure. Honestly, it would be a twist for the sake of it, and would make less sense in some ways.
In some way, life and death are not opposed as in warring eachother, they are opposed in the sense that if you're not alive, you're (usually, see: Undeath) dead... so life and death are not enemies, but just different parts of a cycle of nature. I think it could be that some god of death is actually working together with some kind of force for life, too. It'll probably be something else, though, but I don't find the idea so farfetched.
Nobbel what is your opinions on Pyromancers theory videos ? Im curious about that what you think of that
Another great video
17:19 He just becomes slightly more buff. I died.
Why did that sub title say 'father' when she clearly said 'fada'
I might be wrong, but is Bwomsandi based on Baron Samedi?
We were talking about who is he serving and we found Mueh'zala, seems like rly powerful loa with titles like Death and God of death, hes from zul farak, and apperently There is a shrine to Mueh'zala in Tal'farrak in Zuldazar
So, question. I got zandalar forever and the cinematic of the seal getting blown up.
But I never ran into the city and had bwonsamdi pop up and raise spirits, or fought anything like you did. What triggers that?
Great video, but one thing i have to mention is your ghastly transmog on your paladin hehe :P
Hi there love your latest lore! Can you make the lore on wild gods please? I wonder if you make another lore video on that one. Thank you!