She did. I saw a screenshot of her replying to someone who tweeted her about how harmful autism speaks is and she said something like "oh shit" (I don't remember verbatim)
Let's not forget, Maddie was a child with adults ALL AROUND HER telling her that this was okay & important work. Sia was her godmother at that point. Sia told maddie that they were going to make this film together when Maddie was 11, they shot it when Maddie was 14. She was 100% trapped in the situation. Maddie should walk away from this blame free.
Not to mention Maddie broke down during filming and cried saying she didn’t want to film this movie because she didn’t want to offend anyone. Maddie knew people would be hurt by this and said she didn’t want to do it, but she’s under a contract and like you said she was being told by all the adults around her that she had to do this and it was ok.
@@n3ssaa__ She's 18 today, but the movie started production six years ago. She was a minor when it was filmed. And she's restrained by legal issues anyway, since she signed a contract.
its shirley temple all over again, even abby called her shirley temple, and what the hell kind of grown ass woman has an obsession with a 'then' child, they had sleepovers and slept in the same bed, weird ass woman
As someone who’s been a fan of Dance Moms for quite a long time, it seems like Maddie is always in this position, Sia is just a different version of Abby. It upsets me that after all the crap she went through, her mom still allowed this to happen. I can’t say whether she’s a good/bad mom, but I blame her for the backlash. This could stay with Maddie for the rest of her life.
Whoa, whoa, slow down: amidst all the black face, raging ableism and the trauma triggers - did she just pat herself on the back for NOT making her trans characters prostitutes and drug addicts?! Oh my god... 😬
Yeah I caught that too. She was like, "Let's kill THREE birds with one stone." It's even better for autistic people of color and those who are trans (sarcasm).
@@Ali-mv3jc If I'm not wrong (anyone feel free to correct me if I am) , I think Maddie's character, Music, was meant to be mixed race, so they used makeup to darken her skin.
She knows that LGBTQ+ is big, and she knows that this is more touchy and more personal than other so she used it for excuse,since she want some petty tweets
According to Sia, Maddie Ziegler cried on set worrying that she was mocking or hurting disabled people with her acting, and Sia had her keep acting anyway, reassuring her that it was "fine" Imagine being that confident in your disregard to marginalized populations.
Funny how for the actresses with autism the stress on set was "too much" and there no accomodations that could be made, but the neurotypical actress having a breakdown was handled without her being replaced.
people are actually suspecting if any type of gr*oming is involved , given her weird relationship with maddie. and even if we free maddie from her , maddie's mom is no good .
Not only that, but she is downright obssessed with Ziegler in general: being her godmother and saying how Ziegler is basically her emotional crutch, ever since she was small, and now her instagram's permissions apparently basically block anyone from replying to her posts but Ziegler. She's still a child, and the fact that Sia is so hellbent on this kid is downright creepy.
Sia's constantly having Maddie around & molding her career as her "muse" is concerning. Especially because she was 14 when this was being filmed. It's all bad for that white lady.
Also now Maddie’s narrative in a recent interview is that she repeats this gaslighting from Sia that she WANTED the role so badly and nobody else could have done it, even though Sia admitted in earlier promo interviews that Maddie was incredibly stressed in the beginning of the process to the point of crying? I think there’s serious emotional abuse and manipulation involved in that relationship. It’s so concerning.
It reminds me of 13 reasons why and how it said it was "spreading awareness" on depression and mental health, but then it was such a bad representation and it was triggering people's suicidal thoughts
I'm a woman on the spectrum, as well as a programmer, so I love to use this metaphor: *"My brain isn't broken, it just runs on Linux in a world that's designed for Windows."*
I've got to say that I love that expression you used there. It reminds me a little of one that I used for my older brother. He had cerebral palsy on the more sever end and was none verbal and confined to a wheel chair. But one day when he was about 12 or 13 my sister was talking to my mom and asking how to tell if Larry (or brother) was "smart" or not. I know my sister wasn't really trying to insult him, but she was never good at being able understanding how to talk about these kinds of things. My mom was trying to explain some things, but not doing a very good job when I just said, "Larry is just as smart as anyone else, he just can't let it out the way we can." But to be honest, I like you Linux vs Windows phrasing better.
Sia said that they tried to get an Autistic actress in the beginning, but she was “overwhelmed”... AKA they didn’t change the bright colors and lights which are a known trigger of autistic people and she was upset about it
@@lady_apocalypse178 uhh autistic ppl get overstimulated by certain triggers. It is the autism. but triggered by sias ignorance. maddie was probably overwhelmed by the character traits
About the restraint: It's not just that it's traumatic (though that should be enough) but the restraint used in the movie is specifically the Prone Restraint. The prone restraint can cause physical trauma to the body, which can lead to death up to 24 hours after the restraint was performed if medical attention isn't sought immediately (which, romanticizing it means no one would get medical attention because they think that they just "crushed them with love") It has KILLED PEOPLE. To hear it be described as a "loving" action was honestly putrid.
it also proves sia did either no research or really selective research because even just googling the phrase prone restraint brings up a lot information on how harmful it is and a lot of people calling to ban it.
When someone told me they had seen the prone restraint in the trailer I was beyond shocked. That is an unbelievably bad example of how to support a person with autism having a meltdown and that is how I know she did not do proper research, because there is no way that she could have not known that! She either doesnt care about the lives of people who are neurodivergent or disabled and this is a cash grab or she lied about proper research.
This might just be me, but without seeing it it also seems very, uh. R*pey. Forcing yourself on someone like that. And then saying it's done out of love.
Yes, exactly. I've worked as a school counselor to youth, where at times we have had to use restraint in emergency situations to prevent students from harming themselves or others. That said, we were instructed to NEVER use prone restraint because of how dangerous it is, particularly in risk of suffocation. And this has been well known for quite a while... I first received that training almost 10 years ago.
You've gotta be joking. People are legit LAYING ON THEIR CHILDREN..? Pressure therapy involves A HUG. Not literally suffocating them. This can't be real.
@@cjb2749 Google is free, maybe don't invalidate a very real and very damaging phenomenon where people are literally dying Edit: my bad, I’ll leave this comment so the thread still makes sense but I do apologize
@@breetoldyouso relax, they were reacting in disbelief. I feel like we've all got a lot of "holy shit, omg no" going on in our heads with this entire situation.
Sia is bisexual. She's also bipolar and has had problems with drugs. If she wanted to make a movie about a serious topic she could've done one of those !
She also suffered from depression (and has nearly committed suicide before) and has Graves Disease and EDS. She could have easily make a movie about any of those things. Heck, isn't Music's sister Zu a recovering drug addict? Just cut the autistic sister character out of the film and make the movie about Zu instead.
i have known Sia as an artist for many years and i know that she has been through so much in her life, so i didn’t understand what was happening to her and why the hell she was making this film
I agree, especially about the bipolar topic. It's one of the traditionally stigmatized (in the way that borderline personality disorder, schizophrenia, ASPD, psychopathy etc. are) and I'd love to see more representation! My best friend was diagnosed with it and while mania can definitely be dangerous, she's still a great person. Inform without fear mongering! Just because someone has one of these conditions doesn't mean they're automatically a violent criminal or serial killer.
Sia has no spine. She can’t even do her “art” without having to groom Maddie every step of they way or take the heat over Twitter. Grow up and apologize.
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Yea I’ve always thought her obsession with Maddie is weird
but i also feel like her parents are at some fault also. i mean i know that they didn’t make the film, but the girl was obviously uncomfortable with her role and yet she still did it. i know i can’t directly say her parents made her do it, but they didn’t tell her not to do it which is the issue
@@anna_banana414 verrry true. They probably told her this was a good thing but Maddie even knew better which is why she didn’t feel comfortable. If kids can’t give consent why is it ok to sign them up for contractual agreements either. It’s tough bc she has talent yet I feel like it’s also hindered her relationship with her parents. But we’ll never truly know
I genuinely feel sorry for Maddie, she was worried about offending others and didn't even want to take part in the movie yet Sia insisted that it was fine. I used to be the biggest fan of Sia, I seriously loved her, but after this movie coming out and seeing her be so ableist, I just could not look at this person the same. It's a shame because this so-called adult is being so childish when being called out, she isn't making effort to listen to anyone and she has shown no interest in advancing her "research" so that she could be an actual ally.
Funny how you'll cancel each other for dumb reasons; She did research and tried to cast an Autistic girl but she could not handle it so she chose Maddie if this was anyone else people would be fine. Finally a Movie to represent the Autistic Community and you'll ruined it!!
@@HDdancebabe tell me you don't know jack shit about autism and are a little bit ableist, without outright saying you don't know fucking shit about autism and are ableist - from an actual autistic person
Maddie isn’t just some random person, she’s Sia’s pet project she picked up from the Dance Moms show and put in all her music videos, which makes it feel worse.
Hasn’t she talked about how they share a beds at weekly sleepovers they have ? In addition to saying things like she can’t make any art without Maddie in it and she was made to protect Maddie. It’s so disturbing.
@@salmae.1354 yo whaaaat?! I had no idea about the sleepovers. That is creepy af and sounds like Maddie has been a victim of severely inappropriate things. The poor girl.
I also find it interesting that when accused of not having neurodivergent individuals as part of the cast she included trans people in her rebuttal. Being trans doesn't make you neurodivergent
Sia claims that the movie “bring awareness and to start a conversation.” But didn’t think to take the disabled/neurodivergent community into consideration, WHILE MAKING THIS MOVIE! This is disgusting and what’s worse is people like her take onscreen representation for granted. People don’t realize how kids and teenagers are ridiculed/ostracize at school. They often neglected just because teachers f don’t want to deal with them, disgusting!
@@bodybuild5975 Hey asshole there are manny talent actors and actress with autism. And no we don’t need any actress as seen with Maddie you just making a mockery out of us. If you want to tell a story about autism hire us for god sake.
@@bodybuild5975 when you are making a movie about mental disorders or physical disorders, it’s not about whether or not to cast a person who suffers from the issue, but rather make sure the message you are sending is a safe and unoffensive message to already disabled or oppressed group. This isn’t a conversation on the actors, rather the portrayal of real people who suffer from autism. If the message you took was “the actors need to be good,” then you missed the point of the entire conversation. (Autistic people can be amazing actors as well.)
@@bodybuild5975 She hired an actress with autism then fired her so yeah the whole “Why does it matter?” Is bullshit it’s hard enough for people in Hollywood to get job let alone when it’s people that meant to be them. We want talent with out having able body people pretending to be in a wheel chair or autism.
The relationship between Maddie and Sia is bonkers and borderline grooming. Sia has a tattoo of MADDIE'S TEETH FFS. Said she wrote this part specifically for Maddie and that she couldn't do any project without Maddie 'cause it wouldn't be ART. This lady is crazy.
As an Autistic person myself, calling us people with “special abilities” feels like our struggles with having Autism are not even acknowledged and that we’re some kind of magic person. For me, I just call Autism like it is, a disability.
my stepbrother has autism, and he’s just as human as everyone else i don’t understand why people care soooo much. obviously acknowledge it but it doesn’t make people alien lol
I'm glad to hear you using your platform here to talk about this...having unfortunately watched it, its utterly a miserable film and a mockery and truly dangerous with how it depicts and encourages restraint.
@@dolly9220 Lmfao thetes soooo many movies about autism, eating disorderes, ASPD, do you think any of them producers were actually suffering with that diagnos? Bye
Okay, but "crushing her with my love" is an objectively creepy and wrong statement, regardless of any context but especially here, and it's a fucking travesty that it got trough.
But it brings to mind the movie of that autistic child/woman genius who designed that cattle squezzy thingy to kinda hug herself so she could calm and reset herself- I can’t recall her name....damn it😔
I’m neurodivergent (adhd/autism) and as a kid I was “restrained” a LOT. It was incredibly traumatic and fucked me up for a long time. Restraining is now ILLEGAL where I live thankfully, but the fact Sia depicted restraining in this way actually makes me feel ILL and makes me so fuckin mad. People used to only let me go when I stopped struggling and let them “hug me.” in reality they were hurting me, trapping me, pinning me down and taking away my autonomy. It’s very claustrophobic and suffocating. what I needed in those moments was space to calm down by myself. But instead I was restrained and I didn’t understand why people were doing that to me, and to be completely honest I still don’t understand why, I don’t understand how anyone could think that was a good thing to do. Restraining is traumatising as fuck and I struggle to let me touch me too this day. im so angry this film was ever allowed to be made the messages it is sending are so DAMAGING.
i used to love sias music, but as i got older and out of my dance moms days, i realized how weird the relationship maddie had with a lot of the adults in her life, i feel bad.
i feel like she definitely had some sort of social disconnect with the kids her age because of how much adults craved her attention back in the dance moms days
God, as a disabled person being called “special” is so patronizing. I hate it. We know what we are, there’s no reason to pretend we’re ignorant children who’s feelings will be hurt by the correct term.
@Chonghan L I literally said exactly that to one of her supporters who was pestering me on Twitter. Dude ended up using his autistic sister as a gotcha to prove that he wasn't ableist and then proceeded to call me subhuman. 😐 These people are beyond help.
“Special” was a term I was always taught to use in like school and stuff, I didn’t know it was offensive but I can see how it is, what term or terms should I use?
@@mannycool4618 'special needs' is the term used by schools. Special needs mean that they require extra support, more acessability etc while calling someone special perpetuates that the person is special because of/or despite of their disability which can be patronising.
The firestorm of critical tweets which led to Sia quitting Twitter didn't come from people trying to restrain her -- they're just 'crushing her with their love'.
As someone who struggles with overstimulation, her film is literally unwatchable. So her whole "watch it first" statement is hilarious because she made a movie that a lot of people literally cannot sit through. Not to mention the blatant ableism that is evident in every aspect of this film. Just another example of a film made about neurodivergent individuals, not for neurodivergent individuals.
Exactly -- the one short clip I've seen circulating is literally painful to watch. I have to look away or close my eyes. And it even has flashing lights that could be a seizure risk for some people. It's like the movie goes out of its way to be inaccessible
the escapist Even The caters hate it. I remember one lady saying that she’s never seen her autistic son (or sons I can’t remember if there was more than one) act the way Sia had Maddie portraying autistic people. It’s just such a slap in the face.
i haven't seen the movie _and i don't plan on it_ ,as a neurodivergent poc [person of color] i am so f7cking offended by this. why hasn't she been canceled yet???
I’m asking this out of ignorance and not meaning to defend this movie, but what’s wrong with making a movie that neurodivergent people can’t watch as a medium to provide even the slightest bit enlightenment to neurotypical people in terms and visuals more effective for them? I’m not neurotypical but I’m also not autistic (which is an umbrella term that covers a huge spectrum of different experiences) and I would imagine there might be certain sensory/visual effects that seem perfectly plausible and normal and tell a cohesive story to an autistic person that I find wholly disjointed and overwhelming and confusing but to them tell a perfect story? I think that’s just fine, and maybe I won’t watch it but I’m glad there’s something in a rubric they can relate to...
I think it's important to point out that Maddie was 14 when her mom sighed her contract w Sia. As a 14 year old it's hard to know what you are getting your self into (She still need to own up to her actions) especially if your mom runs your whole career. Maddie cried and didn't wanna do this on the first day of filming, saying that she felt like she was disrespecting the community, even Sia herself comfirmed this. Sia have been showing obsession over Maddie for years, saying that she cant do her work if Maddie isn't by her side at all time, having sleep over together even though she is much much older. I just wanted to point this out (plz excuse the bad spelling lol)
I'm autistic, and the overall sentiment in the autistic community is that we don't blame Maddie. She was a minor, she said she was uncomfortable with it, and she was forced to go through with it anyways. The girl had more sense than the adults. I didn't know who Sia or Maddie were before the trailer for her horrible movie dropped and this whole thing started, but as a parent, I wouldn't have let Sia near my daughter! This is a massively unhealthy thing for Maddie.
TBH this is a bit irrelevant but I am concerned about Maddie Zieglers relationship with adults. Like Sia is definitely grooming her, not sexualy but still gromming her. Snuggling, living together, shutting down other projects, making projects for maddie to keep her in her side. And she literally talked about Maddie mental issues publicaly. And she literally said ' Melissa shares them with me' and remember when Abby said ' she is my daughter' and Melissa said ' I share them with her' and we all know how Abby and MacKenzies relationship went. Edit - thx for the comments and likes I am glad ppl are bringing attention to this and are as concerned as I am
I feel really bad for Maddie from the very start as im looking back at it. Maddie was displayed in front of adults from the very beginning and was pushed into her limits to being the "best"
Lol yall be intuitive af. Your right tho. Vaguely reminds me of her accusations towards Sia. Straight outta left field and a curveball though im not calling her a liar.
If Sia was a man would we bother to put the "not sexually" disclaimer? Many female predators get away with it cause we see their actions as motherly or not as bad
@@chloskyskies4399 You really said you'd prefer being called a slur by a bigoted person than being called specially abled by a well meaning but out of touch person because the hateful person is honest and proud about their prejudice? Girl please wtf
@@Segel I meant it as I would rather a bigoted person be upfront and call me a slur Than a bigoted person insult me but present it like a compliment and pretend they are being supportive (Because then at least it’s obvious that they’re awful and easier to brush off) I wasn’t referring to well meaning people who are mislead/confused Sorry if i didn’t word it clearly
Sia's obsession with Maddie is weird and creepy. The character is supposed to be mixed, but because her obsession she casts Maddie and not a black or mixed actress...
calling disabled people "special" has the same vibes as when a yt person whispers the word black.. like.. it's not a curse word or whatever. you can say it
Yes!! Disabled, autistic, and neurodivergent aren't bad words. They're descriptive words. "Special" is not. I'm not part of the "special" community, I'm part of the disabled community.
Am I the only one who’s always felt like Sia was completely obsessed with Maddie? I feel so bad for her honestly, Sia was a big part of her childhood, and she has to have this issue hanging onto her for the rest of her life.
Yeah someone had said something about that on Twitter I think and I honestly didn't even notice. Like in a way if she is her godmother it could be innocent but some things she just shouldn't do. You know?
The entire Dance Moms fandom talks about it on reddit and youtube all the time actually, and it's even more problematic than it looks believe it or not. smdh.
@@veronicagross7458 Thank you for bringing this up again. The idea of her dancing with a grown man like that when she was 13 or something was very uncomfortable to watch. Even her chandelier video was a bit weird because Sia always has Maddie wearing skin tone leotards and has her acting strangely.
Oh my lord. My respect for you.... 📈📈📈📈📈📈📈 “We don’t need to make people better by erasing their disabilities.” thank you for always speaking so eloquently
@@brushot who cares about the legality of it? It's about the harmful impact made not only on those who were in the movie but also those watching the movie. Blackface isn't illegal but does that mean you should do it? Similarly, she showed deadly restraint methods (and portrayed this as "loving") and autistic caricatures to reinforce stereotypes.
I honestly wouldn’t even DRAG Maddie into this. Maddie had a whole breakdown on set saying how she didn’t wanna play the role because she didn’t wanted to hurt anyones feelings. She was crying and pleading for someone else to take her role but Sia denied to let her go and said that it was fine. She basically forced 14 yrs old Maddie to do something she didn’t wanted to do just because she “can’t make art without Maddie” which considering she was a minor at the time... it’s low key creepy.
The problem with this is everything people bring up the fact that the people involved in this film need to take accountability, it jumps to a conversation about defending Maddie instead of ableism, which should be the center of the conversation.
@@CoachTascha It was a role that she was very uncomfortable doing but was coerced into doing by SIA who had basically become a mother figure in her life. Maddie's age is extremely relevant when trying to figure out who is accountable. In certain circumstances I would place some blame on the actor who decided to pursue the roll but this is not one of those times.
I feel like Sia never even considered casting someone other than Maddie for this. She has put Maddie in everything she has done ever since Chandelier, she just has this extremely motherly relationship with her. It’s disappointing, because she clearly put her agenda before anything else, and now is refusing to acknowledge that she missed the mark hard, ultimately hurting the one she most wanted to protect, which is Maddie.
There are clips from years ago of Sia saying that she wrote a movie for Maddie. So, I think she never intended to commit to hiring an autistic person. Also I think she's Maddie's God-mother so that's weird, considering the already-imbalanced power dynamic.
Can we also talk about how uncomfortable Sia and Maddie Ziegler's relationship is? Like Maddie would sleep in this grown woman's bed and split her time between Sia's house and her mom's house. Sia has also said that she refuses to do a project without Maddie. Idk it just all seems kind of weird...
@dew drop You can find online of Sia and Maddie's mother talking about these things with Maddie's mother saying that Sia and her daughter love to "snuggle." I'm not saying she's a predator, but their relationship is definitely questionable. Sia has also talked Maddie's mother out of letting Maddie do projects that she's not involved in. She pays for Maddie's security and has said that meeting Maddie felt like connection that a mother has with her first born. That's not even all of the things that make their relationship odd, considering this is an unrelated grown woman talking about a child. It's one thing to want Maddie to succeed and see her as a muse, but it's another that she's controlling her career and even when she takes pictures with fans.
@dew drop MackZBoss actually has a good video that talks about some of the obsessive older women in Maddie's life that includes Abby, Tonya Brewer (who has Maddie's teeth tattooed on her arm??), and of course, Sia. I recommend it because I think it puts into perspective how codependent these relationships are
This needs attention. As a (f) victim of one, women predators get away with too much. They run on stealth mode because people are biased to assume women are harmless and close relationships between them and children are always innocent. It shields them from scrutiny. Whether it's sexual or not, these manipulative, grooming relationships are a problem that never seems to rise to the light of day.
@Spongeman she is grown woman latching onto and controlling a child that she has NO familial relations to and acting like that’s her best friend. It’s weird and she’s also very controlling (convincing Maddie to quit other jobs to be in Sia’s movie and despite Maddie crying making her continue to act Autistic) it’s manipulative
Mothers who record their child's episodes are invasive and disgusting. They don't help, they're not "educating" they're profiting off their child's misery
It's so frustrating to me. Because not knowing for sure what the right, acceptable thing to do is and just going along with the direction of people you trust was _such_ a big part of growing up with ASD for me. It's all I had to go on. I honestly don't really have a problem with the fact alone that a neurotypical person was cast as a neurodivergent person. An actor's job is to pretend to be someone they're not; male actors have played female characters and vice versa, abe-bodied actors have played disabled characters, trans actors have played cis characters, e.t.c. It was genuinely _not her fault._ And she took _so_ much of the blame once the film came out. It _can't be overstated_ how badly Sia f***ed Maddie over by directing her like this.
the fact that there's an interview where sia says maddie ziegler started crying during filming and said "i don't want to do this, i don't want people to think i'm making fun of them" and sia convinced her to do it anyway i- that 14 year old girl had better instincts about the way this movie would be perceived than sia
As an autistic person, seeing the way Maddie was being made to act in this movie brought back memories of people at school mocking my community and using our disability as an insult. It really hurts and I wish we weren’t constantly stereotyped like this😔
This! My little brother is going into middle school and I never want him to come home saying he was bullied for being who he is, or him feeling anything but human and the way this movie portrays people with autism when there is a huuuge spectrum is disheartening
Is it just me, or was one of the most annoying parts the fact she wanted to treat the word "disability" like it was some kind of slur or dirty word? Being on the spectrum, I've never had an issue with calling it a disability. I've actually found it more insulting when people try to dance around it and find some other term. It's like, chill people. Acknowledging the fact I'm disabled doesn't make me less than anyone else. Cliche as it is, it literally just makes me different.
About the restraint *TW medical trauma* : my earliest memory is of being restrained to get an IV hooked but they couldn't find a vein. I had acute pneumonia for about two weeks and could barely breathe, so I was terrified out of my mind. Thus I started having a violent fit and then about three nurses restrained me, lifted me up, got on top me, etc. I was 2½ years old. That was enough to cause me so much trauma that whenever something heavy lays on top of me I panic. I can't stand people crushing me. Humans usually don't have memories until age 4 unless they're traumatic. Don't fucking restrain people by crushing them.
What type of adult needs to physically get on top of a 2½ year old child to restrain them? That's besides the point I suppose, but I am so sorry that happened to you.
Thinking about this restraint stuff has genuinely made me realize possible harmful behavior that has happened to me that I had not realized- I have a extreme phobia of needles (mixed with anxiety and autism is not fun) and I remember on one occasion when I started panicking and getting aggressive I was held down by multible nurses. I don't know if this has actually effected me in the long run though- all I know is I don't like long hugs or touching people I'm not completely fond of (like grandparents etc)
I know this is a very old comment and my comment is mostly irrelevant, but lots of people remember stuff from when they're 2. I have a bunch of memories from that age, which I know are true because they occurred in a specific house/city; we moved to a different house/city on my 3rd birthday. So while, yes that sounds very traumatic, I think framing your memory of that incident as being solely created from trauma might not be helpful in the way you think about it. Trying to be constructive, not dismissive.
I KNOW! It’s so nice too especially when he does it for his stream uploads. I’m so glad I found his channel because he genuinely is such a great RUclipsr
@@missgrace97 i will put money on the fact maddie probably has some sort of contract with sia,,, much like she had one with dance moms. maybe she doesnt but idk i dont think maddie has much a say in most of this
I will say that we shouldn't hate on Maddie, she was a literal CHILD who didn't want to do the movie and during filming would break down crying because she knew people would hate her for making this crap. So let's go easy on her.
If you're not autistic please don't take the focus away from the autistic people she hurt right now. Yes Maddie was done wrong but that's a separate conversation
This movie was filmed when maddie was 14. Sia told her people wouldn't be mad at her for her role although Maddie knew it was wrong. Its not like she could say no, since sia was a trusted adult
Does nobody remember Sia's interview with some lady where the woman compared autistic people to wigs and Sia agreed?? I saw it online once and it was disgusting
I'm not autistic, but I am neuro-divergent. I swear if someone calls us any of us with any sort of mental disabilities "special abilities" I WILL scream.
Same I am also neuro-divergent and it makes me so mad because it is patronizing and it feels like when someone talks down to you cause they think your are dumb.
So it is like a mental or neurological function which isn’t considered neurotypical or “normal”. So like adhd, autism, Tourette, Asperger’s, ADD, dyslexia, dyscalcuia, and other things. I have ADD.
@@bree6298 Basically yes. So you'd be considered neuro-divergent as well. The term ADD isn't really used anymore, now it's just ADHD, but there are three types of ADHD (hyperactive, inattentive, and combined), so you probably inattentive or combined ADHD. I also have ADHD, which would put me under the neuro-divergent umbrella.
The fact that she think not using the word “disabled” makes it better, while most of the autistic community actually prefer that term. Seriously terms like “differently abled” or “special abilities” just sound patronizing and condescending as hell, I hate it
Genuine question, but is it okay to just call someone different? I feel like it's accurate and neutral in tone. There's nothing wrong with being different and nobody pities someone being different so it's not patronizing it's just the truth. Everyone's out here throwing all these elaborate terms around, I'm struggling to find the politically correct one, but in the end I just say "They're just different, so what?" 🤷♀️
@@naheleshiriki5496 It depends of the context. If you're using it to replace the word "disabled", then usually no (though some are probably fine with it). But if you're just using it to describe people in general, then it's fine.
@Becky 605 Even if you don’t know it would offend people, it’s still othering to call someone with autism “special” when they’re human beings like everyone else. So it’s a matter of thinking before you speak, opposed to knowing if what you’re saying will be offensive.
i honestly don’t know how to feel about leslie odom jr. now. like, hamilton is good and i really did like him but now seeing that? i’m not autistic so i can’t speak for their experiences but i really wanna know if we should be holding him accountable too.
we as a society need to have a chat about how fucking weird Sia's relationship with Maddie is, she has been creepily close to her since she was ELEVEN and claims that this child is her muse and she can't do a project without her, a child. Women can be groomers too and Sia has quite clearly been grooming Maddie for years.
Fr. I've always thought it was weird and the fact that barely anyone caught on was worrying. Eventually, though, I just forgot about Sia in general, but now that she's being brought to attention more now, I think it's about time this gets talked about.
facts and her relationship with abby was also very weird and grooming like there was one time abby even kissed her. i think she’s been brought up being groomed by older women in mentor positions maybe not sexually but emotional codependent grooming more likely and has fallen into the trap of an abuse cycle :((( makes me hurt for her so bad she’s a talented smart girl who seems to be actually kind :((
@@april4524 I know I feel so bad for her because she is so talented and from what we can see she's a sweet girl who has good intentions with what she does her mom just allows other women to come in and take over her daughter's life
And also idk if you no this but i also find it weird that Sia is literally Maddie’s godmother! Like Melissa is out here leaving her child with a random lady that’s obsessed with her and letting them having sleepovers with each other!!! I have no words
@@stevengrantods3803 I never want to he one to comment on someone's parenting but Melissa letting these women be such huge parts of Maddie's life is very uuuuuuhh not great
Also in an itnerview Sia said that on the first day of filming Maddie actually cried and said she didn't want to continue as she thought people would think she is making fun of them. But Sia pushed her to continue... like ugh...
Disabled person here: Before I had even seen the trailer or the movie clips or heard the details of the casting, I knew this movie was bad news. How? The plot centers, not on the autistic character, but on the *caretaker* of the autistic girl. The story is all about the personal growth of the abled person, and how the disabled person helps their growth. This is a constant problem in disability representation in media: We are always there to inspire and motivate the abled people. We never get to have our own personal growth stories. And even worse, making a story about a disabled person's caretaker is seen as the same thing as supporting disabled voices. This is not a story about the disabled experience. It's a story about how abled, neurotypical people think of autism. And they are pretty much always wrong.
Thank you for this comment! You put words to the discomfort I was always feeling when watching movies including stories about disabilities. It always felt off and now I understand that it was because we always see the journey of the person influenced by the individual with disabilites, not the journey of the disabled person. It's like when people say, 'You should go work with disabled people, you can learn SO MUCH from them' as if it was some sort of lifestyle achievement and trophy at the same time.
i have a question if you don’t mind answering. how do you feel about the portrayal of an autistic character by a non-autistic actor if it’s done well. for example, sam in “atypical,” shawn murphy in “the good doctor,” or abed nadir in “community”?
@@bandetee9258 Atypical, especially in season one, is awful representation. The difference is they listened to criticism and took it on board for the next seasons, but it's still not ideal. I haven't seen the other two, but autistic characters should always be played by autistic actors. A good example is the series Everything's gonna be okay, which was directed by an autistic and has autistic actors playing the main characters.
Please talk about how creepy Sia’s relationship with Maddie Ziegler is, its so concerning. She hasn’t done a project without Maddie since she was 12 and they literally “cuddle” together in bed.
This is ridiculous, I’m seeing these comments everywhere. Sia is maddie’s godmother- basically an aunt. My aunt used to cuddle and hug me when I was 12, what’s the issue? Please stop making a “grooming” issue out of nothing, this kind of accusation without proof can ruin lives
@@shisah5544 what about sia being racist? i mean, she literally made maddie do blackface, but hid it behind the autistic part. she did two wrongs in the movie.. which could have easily been avoided
I really hope for Maddie’s sake it’s not a harmful situation but from everything we can see i really doubt it. Sia’s not her family, she’s a celebrity with an obvious savior complex. Even if she’s not doing anything to deliberately harm Maddie it’s sketchy, who would let their preteen/teenager CUDDLE with a grown woman, it just doesn’t sound healthy like she literally didn’t even know Maddie before she worked on her music video and then immediately went to love bombing
@@shisah5544 According to some sources, Sia said she'd rather off herself than do a project without Maddie. Even if everything else can be seen as fine, there's no excuse for this.
Yo, you missed an entire other DIMENSION of this controversy. Sia revealed that Maddie was so upset that she cried, because she didn’t want autistic people to think she was making fun of them, and Sia made her do that horrible portrayal anyway. Later, Sia tried to justify shoehorning Maddie in as the main character instead of an actual autistic person by calling Maddie her “muse” and saying she “doesn’t want to” make a project without Maddie and “wouldn’t make art if it didn’t include her”. Which is CREEPY AS FUCK. Keep in mind Maddie just turned 18, so she’s been a minor the entire time she’s known Sia. Maddie’s mom says she’s had many “sleepovers” with Sia, and they slept in the same bed and “cuddled”? Plus the whole Elastic Heart video was so creepy, Sia saying Maddie represents her “inner child” sets off alarm bells when you realize Sia was sleeping with Shia Labeouf during the filming of the Elastic Heart MV. Edit: I know this comment and video are now 1 month old, but if anybody wants to know more, MackZBoss made a video about Maddie and the concerning relationship with the adults in her life (including from her dance mom days), with sources I can’t provide in a YT comment. And I’d also like to remind people that like…gr00ming is a thing + Sia has been a major part of Maddie’s career, so there’s also a huge power imbalance. There’s nothing wrong with kids sleeping in the same bed as a parent/parent figure, it’s the additional added context that makes the situation go from weird to bad.
Yeah he missed the hilariously terrible quote from Sia, “I realized it wasn’t ableism. I mean, it is ableism I guess as well, but it’s actually nepotism because I can’t do a project without [Maddie].” Homegirl said I’m not ableist! well ok yes I am but not only that! I’m also just very attached to Maddie and cast her because I like her, not because I felt like she could do the best job portraying the role
@@omiave8706 I agree that I don’t think it’s creepy on its own, I think people are just viewing it in a new light after knowing all of this stuff about Sia.
I have autism and I've been diagnosed with it for almost three years, and the way she depicts autism, ESPECIALLY THE RESTRAINT SCENE is so disappointing. people who enjoy and praise this film don't know that most of what she says about ASD is wrong, and that this film's consultant for autism was Autism Speaks, AKA the PETA of autism. :/ if actual simple research was made (with a late life diagnosis i did tons of research online when i was diagnosed and knew almost everything in this film was BS) this could have been a great film to really highlight and give support. Really sad. I feel bad for Maddie, it was said she actually cried on set multiple times because she felt like she was making fun of autistic people.
I like to think of A$ as the Salvation Army of autism; if you know _nothing_ about them, and only go by what you know from surface-level cultural osmosis, then it's easy to support them when vocally called upon to, because they _sound_ like good organizations, and have _scarily_ good PR. It's how they're so successful, and why a lot of otherwise highly regarded public figures have supported them in the past, despite the _horrifying_ things they've done and _do._
Not only that, she had the AUDACITY to WILLINGLY not use someone with actual autism bc she wanted Maddie to play that part. At this point, if u rlly need someone that bad to have them play an autistic person that's just...weird
I thought it was going to be maybe showing how it is to be autistic or something and bring awareness but the portrayal was literally trash omg the way she made Maddie act and (idk if he talked about this in the video cause I haven’t watched it yet lol) I heard that Maddie said she was uncomfortable doing certain things in the movie because she didn’t want to be hurtful to her fans
Poor Maddie Ziegler. She doesn’t deserve to be cancelled for this. She was 13 at the time Sia cast her and was involved with the project for so long that she probably couldn’t back down even if she realized it was problematic. Not to mention she was in so many of Sia’s videos and performances, so there’s a power dynamic to consider. It can be real hard to say no or voice your opinions to an adult you’ve been working with, especially if other adults around her were encouraging her to do this film. Now at 18, she’s just tryna do the best she can with damage control cause she was a kid when she agreed to do this. Hope she can divorce herself from this scandal soon without ruining her career.
Sia has a very unhealthy relationship with Maddie and Maddie's mother enables this. Hopefully Maddie will break free of adults wanting to (ab)use her asap.
I’m neurodiverse call me disabled not “specially abled” not “differently abled” just disabled that’s all, nothing more nothing less than my neurotypical peers. Calling us disabled acknowledges our struggles we face in day to day life anything else is stigmatizing and infantilizing us. I need help with education and just need instructions repeated until it clicks that’s all.
Thank you so much for that ik not every disabled person thinks the same way but its nice to hear your perspective because of the lack of representation in mainstream media thank you for informing me!
i hate this mindset abled/neurotypical people have that words like mentally ill and disabled are slurs? like no, we literally are mentally ill and/or disabled. performative "wokeness" is so awful.
@@kriss2077 Exactly its just wanting to seem woke and has a hero complex like no I have a disability and struggle with things that other people can do teat me like everyone else while also being aware of when i need some help. its not something cool and its not a trend its something I had to learn to accept that i have and thinking its cool and some superpower gets rid of that struggle I faced to accept myself as mentally disabled. its a learning disability its a part of me I have challenges with in day to day life.
If anything, it’s essentially idolizing autism. Autistic people are normal people with a disability. They aren’t any less capable. It’s essential saying “hey, you’re special, you don’t have struggles, and if you do, deal with it.”
your fav can be problematic, one of the reasons why we need to stop idolizing celebs :/ edit: no, harry styles/taylor swift isn’t my idol lol, i just see them as an inspiration, nobody is perfect/unproblematic.
Sia has a very unhealthy relationship with Maddie and Maddie's mother enables this. Hopefully Maddie will break free of adults wanting to (ab)use her asap.
as someone w adhd, i can tell you that during a meltdown, there is little to no cognitive function. it’s pure emotion, and it usually stems from feeling super overwhelmed, if anyone were to try and grab me and hold me like that mid-meltdown, i’d get seriously hurt, i’d hurt the person holding me, and the meltdown intensity would increase astronomically. never EVER hold someone down if they’re having a meltdown. instead, try to remove stressors in the environment they’re in. give the person a lot of space, let them get it out. the fact that sia even had the nerve to act like it’s okay to do that? it just implies that meltdowns are a simple thing, they’re easily contained- they’re not. not even close. it’s extremely horrible that this was even made, and then called realistic. the fact that neurotypical people have the nerve to speak for us and try to explain this sh*t is absurd and abelist in itself. we can tell you how to help, we can tell you what’s happening (those of us that are high-functioning *normally, when at a resting state, these labels aren’t accurate and don’t encapsulate the full view of what we actually experience*), we can explain what goes on in our head and how we feel- it is just very difficult to put into words. but no one else knows or can understand how we feel, they don’t experience it.
Not only that, but it misinforms viewers on how to react if an autistic person they know has an epileptic seizure, as epilepsy sometimes follows ASC. If someone is having a meltdown or attack, DO NOT TOUCH THEM - you should remove anything in the environment that can hurt them or cause them more stress.
@@user-ke4xe4fz3t nope, adhd. adhd shares a lot of the same symptoms as autism. i’m diangnosed and take meds for focusing (concerta and methylphenidate). you’re not qualified to try and diagnose me or tell me what i have, especially since a real doctor already has.
I know this goes without saying, but if someone is having a meltdown, DO NOT TOUCH THEM, let alone crush them, unless they explicitly tell you to do otherwise. Give them space, don't talk to them or stand too close, do whatever they tell you to do, and if they're nonverbal or can't talk at the moment, don't do anything until they calm down on their own or try to find someone close to them who will know what they need.
I think this is why the "autism cards" we are given (at least I the UK) are kinda helpful, because if you're having a meltdown in a situation surrounded by strangers, you can have a card that tells them what to do and who to contact. It's kinda cool.
My family has learned to ask me yes-or-no questions like, "Do you need to isolate?" and if I nod, they'll identify a safe, quiet place for me to retreat and let me go there until I can function again. Often the quiet place is identified and agreed upon ahead of time so that if I randomly disappear during the event, they know where I've gone and why without me having to tell them.
"I'm sorry, do you expect me to believe that doctors, nurses and singers are somehow more important or better than sex workers" WE LOVE TO SEE THE RESPECT
@@helloill672 They still provide a source of entertainment, but we shouldnt hold them above other people. Everyone deserves respect being that we're all human :)
This the only part where I dont agree with d'angelo, she clearly didn't mean that, she meant that trans actors are often cast to portray sex workers and addicts, which is a stereotype of trans people, specially trans women. However casting trans actors has nothing to do with disability/autism so she just sounds self congratulating and insincere for using that as an excuse.
i feel bad for maddie. my first instinct when i heard about this movie was "why would she want to do this" and i didnt even know she was a kid or that people kept telling her it was fine. yikes. i hope shes doing okay
it’s so ridiculous. i hate when people try to use that as an argument. yes, this is a sensitive topic for some people, and any good person would respect that. there’s nothing wrong with caring about something and voicing your thoughts
@@boogrlovr Yeah, I hate the concept that sensitivity is a bad thing. Like yes, some people are more easily hurt than others. It doesn't give you the right to hurt them.
@UCwbVG-0gzKQQZbZckwKkmmw I understand that Sia didn't intend to harm the community, but she is a grown woman and when faced with an entire community criticizing her portrayal of themselves, she lashed out at them, insulted them, and then ran and hid. People have a right to be angry. This isn't about canceling her, it's about making autistic people the louder voice in their own narratives. Sia's movie is inaccurate, and people (specifically autistic people) need to correct it, loudly, so that people understand that her movie is inaccurate. It's about education, not cancel culture (at least that's my goal, and I think most people's-- D'Angelo has said multiple times that he is against cancel culture).
@@anti.bctards7376 what? they literally just said this is an example of tokenism because of the obvious stereotypes in it that people use to condone ableism. Please stop being a troll.
At least if she was doing Tokenism, she would have maybe had a token autistic actor in the background...but no, apparently for Sia they're all too bad at acting to even achieve that!
@@anti.bctards7376 But That’s literally what she did, even in the article she said she was doing what tokenism means, adding characters that have a disability, lgbtq, or colored for clout...
that's why the movie "Intouchables" was so cool, because the dude in the wheelchair was treated like a human being and not an animal or special person, ugh i hate abelists
There was a time when that term was used to give a sense of societal value to children who had been considered not viable in society. The problem was that no-one who was actually disabled or even just different was consulted about how THEY felt about it. It was always patronising and, ironically, VERY "othering". It hasn't been legitimately used for years and ended up being a term of abuse. How does she not know this?
A reminder that Maddie was 14 when she did the movie and that she was very uncomfortable with doing it but was pressured by Sia to go forward with it anyways.
Her "I spend 3 years researching autism" reminded me of JK Rowling claiming she did a lot of research into trans-men and -women as some sort of justification xD.
Her "research" is like that of a sixth grader who is trying to get a 2 month project done in one night. She just skimmed and took the easiest parts, avoiding any complexity or depth. (That's if she actually did any research at all)
@@cre-k8-ive I'm pretty sure even a sixth grader spending one night researching this topic fora school project would get a more informed view on the topic...
The one thing that you missed is that the specific restraint that was used in the movie (called prone restraining) has actually killed teens with autism via suffocation. Not only did she depict something traumatic, she depicted something LETHAL. You did well on the topic otherwise! I like that your voice went up an octave when talking about the "bad actor" tweet xD
Legit like no its not a good thing? Am i comfortable in myself? yes. Do i hate my autism? NO. But does that mean i have some superpower that neurotypicals dont have?! NOOO. Like why do they not realise I'm OKAY with it without them making it seem like I dont go through any struggles in a really patronising way
Its like the "despite her autism, she did this" like no i just passed a test, I've never had issues with schoolwork so why now I'm diagnosed am I suddenly incapable of it?! (Ofc if you DO have struggles with it, its amazing you did well, but I never have and they treat me like I'm a toddler who just learned to walk or something, I don't do anything "despite" of my autism)
Back when I was in elementary school, I used to be "restrained". My school did it, it was eventually shut down because a mother of an autistic child came to the school and saw that he was being held down and screamed, and THEN shoved into that stupid tiny cramped white empty closet. *I can't believe it went on for so long all because most of us grew up being restrained.* I now suffer from severe claustrophobia. I can't stand being in tiny inclosed rooms, being grabbed, or being surrounded by people. Not like I enjoyed it much as a kid either, but it's not a secret I was more "social" before they did this. So much the the point I had to go to a school where there was only 6 people in the entire High school. So much where I have the constant fear of having a breakdown in front of people. So much to the point where when I do break down my anxiety heightens a lot when I'm around more people. There's only *ONE* person I feel safe crying around. And that is my bf. It's a slow process but I am getting stronger. My trauma may never be completely gone, but it doesn't define me. I won't let it define me. Everytime one of the teachers restrained me, I never understood why. Most of the time I was just crying. Or panicking. I needed to calm myself down. They'd drag me by my leg, making my head hit the ground multiple times while we made it to the closeted room. I still don't know why. I remember telling them to let me go so I can deal with it myself. And to leave me alone. Why? When any other kid cried they would be told it's okay by the teacher, but because I'm neurodivergent I'm going to be punished. :( Thank you for reading.
I am so, so sorry that this happened to you. I hope you’re getting the treatment and care you needed back then and I hope things are better for you now. Jesus, teachers and school doing shit to kids has got to stop. This reminds me of the movie Matilda and how the principal would shove kids into The Chokey and how traumatized they’d be after. It’s abuse no matter how anyone spins it, and the fact that anyone would say that they’re just trying to help is absolute horseshit. I hope to god you are doing much better nowadays, my friend.
I love that this movie is so problematic, you can go on a ten minute rant about it and not even get to the fact that Maddie had to do brown face in it.
I shouldn’t be surprised that an executive actually approached Julia Roberts back in the 90’s to portray miss Tubman and had the audacity to tell her no one would notice, but I’m still baffled
There's a story about a producer in the nineties who was pitched a tubman biopic and greenlit it on the condition that Julia Roberts play tubman, when told tubman was a black historical figure the producer said "it was such a long time ago, people won't notice if shes white" lmao
Please don't call me "neurodivergent" I'm autistic. It's like people calling me a "person of color" when it's one step away from "colored people". I hate these new fancy "labels" throwing me in these boxes. :T That said, I do agree she has a "savior complex".
What is the point of saying neurodivirgent, Ad-HD is not the same as Autism, neither is anxiety. I have ad-HD but I can still function like a normal member of society without meds. Ad-HD doesn't affect me that badly so calling me neurodivergent is incredibly patronizing
@@tenebraequeene Neurodivergent isn't just autism though, it's anyone and everyone who has a brain that functions differently from neurotypicals. (Autism, Tourettes, ADHD etc.) The wording is similar to cis and trans
seems like Sia was trying to make a deep “artsy” film but all of it feels incredibly tone deaf and humiliating. From her responses it feels like she’s never had criticism like this before since most of her work is often praised. But her true colors showed, and she doesn’t give a fuck about autism or autistic people, just wants to profit from them.
Oh 100%. Sia clearly has no ability to take criticism and no ability to be self aware and accept that she’s capable of being in the wrong, mostly because for her entire career people have just been worshipping her and kissing the ground she walks on.
SIA has always been a massive wanker, it's just taken a bit for the rest of the world to notice. As an Australian I can tell you that all our ~artsy~ types are like this
As a Neurodivergent person, I’m so glad you brought this to attention bc this WHOLE situation is so messed up. Neurodivergent people often get overlooked just because our disabilities aren’t necessarily “physical”. I’m just glad someone with your size of a platform is talking about this 🖤💕 Much love!
don’t say neurodivergent in this situation. it’s about autistic people and autistic people only. stop trying to be included in autistic people’s business once again.
@@TheeEnglishLesbian I have autism as well, I got diagnosed when I was 6 … this movie just a rubbed me the wrong way …. I struggled a lot growing up ..
@@TheeEnglishLesbian I’m not trying to take away from autistic people I was talking about how these issues usually get overlooked in general. I’m sorry if it came off that way that was not my intention
@@lindensalter6713 she titles her videos weird and there’s hundreds of them. i just know i’ve seen a video from her about it and i don’t care to watch hundreds of videos to find one for you. you’re perfectly capable of doing that yourself
Was she so used to being so praised and “perfect”, that the second she made a flaw she deleted her account instead of saying sorry These influencers are cowards.
she deleted her account bcuz triggered ppl kept harassing her over an acting position, i don't like the movie and im not defending it but it's a fking movie and the actor is acting her role
@@Miztique Let's make this easier for you to understand. Would you cast a white actor in a movie about a black person, while the movie specifically focuses on the issues that plagues the black community?
@@lemillionloser526 Exactly what I’m saying. Why would someone in their right mind think that you should showcase autism by casting someone who doesn’t have autism? Make it make sense lol
maddie is fresh out of childhood and likely never met maybe neurodiv people in her life. she's, again, barely an adult who probably can't articulate herself well. leave her alone.
What else could she have said? I cried when I was approached to do it.... Yet was obliged to act in it cos I'm the muse of the woman who created this movie who also has entrapped me into abuse by legalising herself as my godmother....
@@acelesbianmrclean you think you would have said something smarter when you were 14? Especially considering the overall experience she had making this movie... “everyone’s beautiful and different” is a relatively safe thing to say when you’re 14 and don’t want to get in trouble but also don’t really know what to say. There are a lot of issues with that movie, but a kid making clumsy statements regarding their experience with a work they didn’t want to do isn’t one worth lingering over.
maddie was 14 when she filmed this. I think it was hugely irresponsible for the adults around her to not only allow but endorse her participation in this movie. iirc maddie’s had a work relationship with sia from a very young age (11 years old) so of course she looks up to and trusts her.
Sia is literally obsessed with Maddie. Her weird obsession with being young and using Maddie to feel that way is just so weird and creepy. It’s no wonder she only wanted Maddie in the movie.
Isis Bonner coming from someone who has 2 godfamilies they literally are your family. Growing up with them made things much better on my immediate family. Maybe on the outside it can look weird but it’s a close bond through Christ
@@susanw9111 Sia literally forced maddie who was 14 to continue to thru this movie despite literally having a breakdown. That’s not something family does.
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The only question I have is what the hell is it with rich older women and their weirdly toxic obsessions with minority groups they aren't a part of?
THIS
We need a word for these people, they’re like reverse Karen’s
Specifically white women 🙄
its the savior mentality
FR PLEASE ITS LITERALLY SO FUCKING CREEPY??
How the hell does someone “research autism for years” and not know about Autism Speaks or restraint???
BINGO.
She did. I saw a screenshot of her replying to someone who tweeted her about how harmful autism speaks is and she said something like "oh shit" (I don't remember verbatim)
@b l read the room
@@helplessheroine2641 wait so she admitted to not researching autism speaks? I wasn’t able to see any of her tweets.
Exactly. It literally took me two Google searches to figure out what was wrong with Autism Speaks and why restraint is absolutely horrible.
Let's not forget, Maddie was a child with adults ALL AROUND HER telling her that this was okay & important work. Sia was her godmother at that point. Sia told maddie that they were going to make this film together when Maddie was 11, they shot it when Maddie was 14. She was 100% trapped in the situation.
Maddie should walk away from this blame free.
Not to mention Maddie broke down during filming and cried saying she didn’t want to film this movie because she didn’t want to offend anyone. Maddie knew people would be hurt by this and said she didn’t want to do it, but she’s under a contract and like you said she was being told by all the adults around her that she had to do this and it was ok.
Yes as a minor it isn't really Maddies burden to bear. Thank you for adding this to the discussion!
@@n3ssaa__ She's 18 today, but the movie started production six years ago. She was a minor when it was filmed. And she's restrained by legal issues anyway, since she signed a contract.
its shirley temple all over again, even abby called her shirley temple, and what the hell kind of grown ass woman has an obsession with a 'then' child, they had sleepovers and slept in the same bed, weird ass woman
As someone who’s been a fan of Dance Moms for quite a long time, it seems like Maddie is always in this position, Sia is just a different version of Abby. It upsets me that after all the crap she went through, her mom still allowed this to happen. I can’t say whether she’s a good/bad mom, but I blame her for the backlash. This could stay with Maddie for the rest of her life.
Whoa, whoa, slow down: amidst all the black face, raging ableism and the trauma triggers - did she just pat herself on the back for NOT making her trans characters prostitutes and drug addicts?! Oh my god... 😬
it’s so crazy that she feels the need to congratulate herself
Yeah I caught that too. She was like, "Let's kill THREE birds with one stone." It's even better for autistic people of color and those who are trans (sarcasm).
Actually, the main character (who is not even Music) is a a drug addict
Wait what black face, did I miss something?
@@Ali-mv3jc If I'm not wrong (anyone feel free to correct me if I am) , I think Maddie's character, Music, was meant to be mixed race, so they used makeup to darken her skin.
Why did she bring up that she hired trans actors as a defense? The conversation is supposed to be about people with disabilities
They're her token shield in case of any diversity accusations.
She probably thinks being trans is a disability
She knows that LGBTQ+ is big, and she knows that this is more touchy and more personal than other so she used it for excuse,since she want some petty tweets
It's like saying, "I can't be racist, my girlfriend's Black"
@@SisterFromAnotherPlanet I think it’s more like saying “I can’t be homophobic, my friend is black” it’s just lumping all the minorities
According to Sia, Maddie Ziegler cried on set worrying that she was mocking or hurting disabled people with her acting, and Sia had her keep acting anyway, reassuring her that it was "fine"
Imagine being that confident in your disregard to marginalized populations.
Funny how for the actresses with autism the stress on set was "too much" and there no accomodations that could be made, but the neurotypical actress having a breakdown was handled without her being replaced.
people are actually suspecting if any type of gr*oming is involved , given her weird relationship with maddie. and even if we free maddie from her , maddie's mom is no good .
Not only that, but she is downright obssessed with Ziegler in general: being her godmother and saying how Ziegler is basically her emotional crutch, ever since she was small, and now her instagram's permissions apparently basically block anyone from replying to her posts but Ziegler. She's still a child, and the fact that Sia is so hellbent on this kid is downright creepy.
Sia's constantly having Maddie around & molding her career as her "muse" is concerning. Especially because she was 14 when this was being filmed. It's all bad for that white lady.
Also now Maddie’s narrative in a recent interview is that she repeats this gaslighting from Sia that she WANTED the role so badly and nobody else could have done it, even though Sia admitted in earlier promo interviews that Maddie was incredibly stressed in the beginning of the process to the point of crying? I think there’s serious emotional abuse and manipulation involved in that relationship. It’s so concerning.
Sia really said, “Let’s make this movie have a bunch of screaming and bright colors so people who are actually autistic can’t watch it”
tried and have autism and had to stop and i can watch movies like endgame which out a problem
@@I_AM_HYDRAA same here with being able to even watch films like Endgame, but just the descriptions I read of Sia's movie made me go "No way in hell."
It reminds me of 13 reasons why and how it said it was "spreading awareness" on depression and mental health, but then it was such a bad representation and it was triggering people's suicidal thoughts
So not cool.
autistic people*
You wouldn't say "person with gay", autism is a part of us not a disease. Thanks.
I'm a woman on the spectrum, as well as a programmer, so I love to use this metaphor: *"My brain isn't broken, it just runs on Linux in a world that's designed for Windows."*
I've got to say that I love that expression you used there. It reminds me a little of one that I used for my older brother. He had cerebral palsy on the more sever end and was none verbal and confined to a wheel chair. But one day when he was about 12 or 13 my sister was talking to my mom and asking how to tell if Larry (or brother) was "smart" or not. I know my sister wasn't really trying to insult him, but she was never good at being able understanding how to talk about these kinds of things. My mom was trying to explain some things, but not doing a very good job when I just said, "Larry is just as smart as anyone else, he just can't let it out the way we can." But to be honest, I like you Linux vs Windows phrasing better.
oh damn... I like that metaphor alot actually
That’s awesome I love that
mine runs on internet explorer instead of chrome 😭
@@mattm.6969 😂 I feel you. My internet is completely out if we're playing this game, let's be real. I'm a mess.
Sia said that they tried to get an Autistic actress in the beginning, but she was “overwhelmed”... AKA they didn’t change the bright colors and lights which are a known trigger of autistic people and she was upset about it
I think it very funny that not only the autistic actor but the neurotypical actor both had breakdowns. Like maybe it wasn't the autism....
@@lady_apocalypse178 uhh autistic ppl get overstimulated by certain triggers. It is the autism. but triggered by sias ignorance. maddie was probably overwhelmed by the character traits
That was actually a lie. She didn't hire an actual actor who is autistic
That turned out to be a lie, because later she said that she wrote the character specifically for Maddie to play
Sia did “three years of research” but she didn’t know that. But I found this out within 20 min of research
About the restraint: It's not just that it's traumatic (though that should be enough) but the restraint used in the movie is specifically the Prone Restraint. The prone restraint can cause physical trauma to the body, which can lead to death up to 24 hours after the restraint was performed if medical attention isn't sought immediately (which, romanticizing it means no one would get medical attention because they think that they just "crushed them with love")
It has KILLED PEOPLE. To hear it be described as a "loving" action was honestly putrid.
it also proves sia did either no research or really selective research because even just googling the phrase prone restraint brings up a lot information on how harmful it is and a lot of people calling to ban it.
When someone told me they had seen the prone restraint in the trailer I was beyond shocked. That is an unbelievably bad example of how to support a person with autism having a meltdown and that is how I know she did not do proper research, because there is no way that she could have not known that! She either doesnt care about the lives of people who are neurodivergent or disabled and this is a cash grab or she lied about proper research.
This might just be me, but without seeing it it also seems very, uh. R*pey. Forcing yourself on someone like that. And then saying it's done out of love.
@@djrydell There is no need to bring sexual assualt into this. Describing things as "r*pey" is .... not it bb
Yes, exactly. I've worked as a school counselor to youth, where at times we have had to use restraint in emergency situations to prevent students from harming themselves or others. That said, we were instructed to NEVER use prone restraint because of how dangerous it is, particularly in risk of suffocation. And this has been well known for quite a while... I first received that training almost 10 years ago.
Restraint isn’t just traumatic, it’s legitimately deadly, children have literally been crushed to death by their own parents.
You've gotta be joking. People are legit LAYING ON THEIR CHILDREN..? Pressure therapy involves A HUG. Not literally suffocating them. This can't be real.
@@cjb2749 Google is free, maybe don't invalidate a very real and very damaging phenomenon where people are literally dying
Edit: my bad, I’ll leave this comment so the thread still makes sense but I do apologize
@@breetoldyouso i think they were replying in disbelief, like “there’s no way its real that t-rexes exist, thats crazy”
@@breetoldyouso relax, they were reacting in disbelief. I feel like we've all got a lot of "holy shit, omg no" going on in our heads with this entire situation.
@@breetoldyouso whoosh
Sia is bisexual. She's also bipolar and has had problems with drugs. If she wanted to make a movie about a serious topic she could've done one of those !
She also suffered from depression (and has nearly committed suicide before) and has Graves Disease and EDS. She could have easily make a movie about any of those things. Heck, isn't Music's sister Zu a recovering drug addict? Just cut the autistic sister character out of the film and make the movie about Zu instead.
@@mjangelvortex
Technically the movie was about Zu, the character Music was basically used as a tool to advance Zu’s storyline.
i have known Sia as an artist for many years and i know that she has been through so much in her life, so i didn’t understand what was happening to her and why the hell she was making this film
Literally!
I agree, especially about the bipolar topic. It's one of the traditionally stigmatized (in the way that borderline personality disorder, schizophrenia, ASPD, psychopathy etc. are) and I'd love to see more representation! My best friend was diagnosed with it and while mania can definitely be dangerous, she's still a great person. Inform without fear mongering! Just because someone has one of these conditions doesn't mean they're automatically a violent criminal or serial killer.
Sia has no spine. She can’t even do her “art” without having to groom Maddie every step of they way or take the heat over Twitter. Grow up and apologize.
Yea I’ve always thought her obsession with Maddie is weird
but i also feel like her parents are at some fault also. i mean i know that they didn’t make the film, but the girl was obviously uncomfortable with her role and yet she still did it. i know i can’t directly say her parents made her do it, but they didn’t tell her not to do it which is the issue
@@anna_banana414 verrry true. They probably told her this was a good thing but Maddie even knew better which is why she didn’t feel comfortable. If kids can’t give consent why is it ok to sign them up for contractual agreements either. It’s tough bc she has talent yet I feel like it’s also hindered her relationship with her parents. But we’ll never truly know
@@anna_banana414 isnt maddie an adult?
@@joyitadarling5815 when she was filming this she was a child
I genuinely feel sorry for Maddie, she was worried about offending others and didn't even want to take part in the movie yet Sia insisted that it was fine. I used to be the biggest fan of Sia, I seriously loved her, but after this movie coming out and seeing her be so ableist, I just could not look at this person the same. It's a shame because this so-called adult is being so childish when being called out, she isn't making effort to listen to anyone and she has shown no interest in advancing her "research" so that she could be an actual ally.
Yep, I’ve lost respect for Sia after making that dumpster fire of a movie. It’s a damn shame.
oh yes, I saw all her responses on Twitter while they were happening and that is when I was like, nope... nope nope... woman, just stfu and listen.
@Death Omen Same Here
Funny how you'll cancel each other for dumb reasons; She did research and tried to cast an Autistic girl but she could not handle it so she chose Maddie if this was anyone else people would be fine. Finally a Movie to represent the Autistic Community and you'll ruined it!!
@@HDdancebabe tell me you don't know jack shit about autism and are a little bit ableist, without outright saying you don't know fucking shit about autism and are ableist
- from an actual autistic person
she broke her promise to and hurt an entire community and instead of taking responsibility she just deleted her twitter..
It's always the way
ableism and cultural appropriation 😍
Twitter is toxic so I don't blame her
Are you autistic or just getting offended on their behalf?
deleted her twitter AND tried to gaslight autistic people because she just that much of an egomaniac
"Maybe you're just a bad actor." No sis maybe you're just unhealthily fixated on a teenage girl so much so that you won't do a project without her.
Maddie isn’t just some random person, she’s Sia’s pet project she picked up from the Dance Moms show and put in all her music videos, which makes it feel worse.
Hasn’t she talked about how they share a beds at weekly sleepovers they have ? In addition to saying things like she can’t make any art without Maddie in it and she was made to protect Maddie. It’s so disturbing.
@@salmae.1354 yo whaaaat?! I had no idea about the sleepovers. That is creepy af and sounds like Maddie has been a victim of severely inappropriate things. The poor girl.
Wtf.... Really?
As an autistic person I'm not offended, but then i might just be on too many meds to care....
FYI sia is Maddie’s godmother. So she is technically a family member
@@susanw9111 sia didn’t even know her until dance moms 🙄
I also find it interesting that when accused of not having neurodivergent individuals as part of the cast she included trans people in her rebuttal. Being trans doesn't make you neurodivergent
I would not be surprised if Sia thinks it does.
yeah, i think she’s just trying to be “”””woke””””
-a trans nd person
it's because we're all so special ✨
I was confused by that too.
She trying to pull out all her brownie points for pointless stuff
Sia claims that the movie “bring awareness and to start a conversation.” But didn’t think to take the disabled/neurodivergent community into consideration, WHILE MAKING THIS MOVIE! This is disgusting and what’s worse is people like her take onscreen representation for granted. People don’t realize how kids and teenagers are ridiculed/ostracize at school. They often neglected just because teachers f don’t want to deal with them, disgusting!
lol so in a way she did "start a conversation", it was just a conversation about all the ways her movie is garbage. I love the irony so much.
Imagine only looking for representation when hiring an actor or actress. Wouldn’t your rather they are actually good
@@bodybuild5975 Hey asshole there are manny talent actors and actress with autism. And no we don’t need any actress as seen with Maddie you just making a mockery out of us. If you want to tell a story about autism hire us for god sake.
@@bodybuild5975 when you are making a movie about mental disorders or physical disorders, it’s not about whether or not to cast a person who suffers from the issue, but rather make sure the message you are sending is a safe and unoffensive message to already disabled or oppressed group. This isn’t a conversation on the actors, rather the portrayal of real people who suffer from autism. If the message you took was “the actors need to be good,” then you missed the point of the entire conversation. (Autistic people can be amazing actors as well.)
@@bodybuild5975 She hired an actress with autism then fired her so yeah the whole “Why does it matter?” Is bullshit it’s hard enough for people in Hollywood to get job let alone when it’s people that meant to be them. We want talent with out having able body people pretending to be in a wheel chair or autism.
The relationship between Maddie and Sia is bonkers and borderline grooming. Sia has a tattoo of MADDIE'S TEETH FFS. Said she wrote this part specifically for Maddie and that she couldn't do any project without Maddie 'cause it wouldn't be ART. This lady is crazy.
No, Tonya Brewer has that tattoo.
omg what
Lol what
Omg poor Maddie
It's not borderline grooming, it IS grooming. Sia is straight up grooming Maddie
As an Autistic person myself, calling us people with “special abilities” feels like our struggles with having Autism are not even acknowledged and that we’re some kind of magic person. For me, I just call Autism like it is, a disability.
Same here, I’m also autistic and it’s sad that some people treat us differently 😞
my stepbrother has autism, and he’s just as human as everyone else i don’t understand why people care soooo much. obviously acknowledge it but it doesn’t make people alien lol
yeah it is more a disability!
back in the day they called us Changelings
@@r3mikk I'm sorry, you guys deserve better.
I'm glad to hear you using your platform here to talk about this...having unfortunately watched it, its utterly a miserable film and a mockery and truly dangerous with how it depicts and encourages restraint.
Hi jo!!
Love your content Jo I just watched your video on this ❤
As someone that has been physically restrained i cannot watch it because i know it will trigger me. In what way is this film for me, sia!!!!!
I love you for suffering through it so others don't have to... also so pleased to bump into you here 💗 hope you keep feeling better 😊
@@dolly9220 Lmfao thetes soooo many movies about autism, eating disorderes, ASPD, do you think any of them producers were actually suffering with that diagnos? Bye
Okay, but "crushing her with my love" is an objectively creepy and wrong statement, regardless of any context but especially here, and it's a fucking travesty that it got trough.
Its incredibly disturbing
I felt sick when I saw that scene, physically sick
But it brings to mind the movie of that autistic child/woman genius who designed that cattle squezzy thingy to kinda hug herself so she could calm and reset herself- I can’t recall her name....damn it😔
The thing is, it doesn't even make sense. Why would someone ever write that?
@@mkk3984 I don't know. Maybe Sia just has a twisted idea of what love is. Wouldn't be the first celebrity.
I feel like Sia and Maddie having sleepovers when Maddie was 12 should get way more attention
If that's true that's horrible, but do you have a source?
@@oliviamorales9406 Ok thanks
Oh shit that sounds horrible
@@zoebernardo6400 just a decade? Lol
Yes! There is something weird going on there…
I’m neurodivergent (adhd/autism) and as a kid I was “restrained” a LOT. It was incredibly traumatic and fucked me up for a long time. Restraining is now ILLEGAL where I live thankfully, but the fact Sia depicted restraining in this way actually makes me feel ILL and makes me so fuckin mad. People used to only let me go when I stopped struggling and let them “hug me.” in reality they were hurting me, trapping me, pinning me down and taking away my autonomy. It’s very claustrophobic and suffocating. what I needed in those moments was space to calm down by myself. But instead I was restrained and I didn’t understand why people were doing that to me, and to be completely honest I still don’t understand why, I don’t understand how anyone could think that was a good thing to do. Restraining is traumatising as fuck and I struggle to let me touch me too this day. im so angry this film was ever allowed to be made the messages it is sending are so DAMAGING.
This makes the “...crushing her with my love..." Scenes so much worse. And the fact that so many adults greenlighted it, yikes.
I agree. I hate being touched by anyone now as a byproduct.
@@willowfaye670 even the word crushing is kind of scary. I think they thought it was artsy or something but it comes across as domineering.
It should be _globally_ illegal. Very sorry for you. Also like It doesn't make any sense if youve studied developmental psychology
@@anti.bctards7376 You have ADHD you are not one of us. Shut the fuck up
i used to love sias music, but as i got older and out of my dance moms days, i realized how weird the relationship maddie had with a lot of the adults in her life, i feel bad.
i feel like she definitely had some sort of social disconnect with the kids her age because of how much adults craved her attention back in the dance moms days
@@MythicaIl she’s referring to maddie ziegler
So true her mother put her in very precarious situations... Maddie will grow up to be emotionally exhausted 😓
the relationship that tonya and sia have with maddie is just weird and creepy, like tonya has maddie’s teeth tattooed wtf
@@diordelapaz oh well it doesn't change maddie's mother basically forced her to be famous
God, as a disabled person being called “special” is so patronizing. I hate it. We know what we are, there’s no reason to pretend we’re ignorant children who’s feelings will be hurt by the correct term.
@Chonghan L I literally said exactly that to one of her supporters who was pestering me on Twitter. Dude ended up using his autistic sister as a gotcha to prove that he wasn't ableist and then proceeded to call me subhuman. 😐 These people are beyond help.
@@yasmineh.1333 if he does actually have a disabled sister, I genuinely feel so bad that she has to live with someone like this
“Special” was a term I was always taught to use in like school and stuff, I didn’t know it was offensive but I can see how it is, what term or terms should I use?
@@mannycool4618 'special needs' is the term used by schools. Special needs mean that they require extra support, more acessability etc while calling someone special perpetuates that the person is special because of/or despite of their disability which can be patronising.
@@alexandran6009 thank you for the explanation👍🏼
The firestorm of critical tweets which led to Sia quitting Twitter didn't come from people trying to restrain her -- they're just 'crushing her with their love'.
Wow- you really pulled an uno reverse card.
As someone who struggles with overstimulation, her film is literally unwatchable. So her whole "watch it first" statement is hilarious because she made a movie that a lot of people literally cannot sit through. Not to mention the blatant ableism that is evident in every aspect of this film. Just another example of a film made about neurodivergent individuals, not for neurodivergent individuals.
Exactly -- the one short clip I've seen circulating is literally painful to watch. I have to look away or close my eyes. And it even has flashing lights that could be a seizure risk for some people. It's like the movie goes out of its way to be inaccessible
Yup it was made for the "carers"
the escapist Even The caters hate it. I remember one lady saying that she’s never seen her autistic son (or sons I can’t remember if there was more than one) act the way Sia had Maddie portraying autistic people. It’s just such a slap in the face.
i haven't seen the movie _and i don't plan on it_ ,as a neurodivergent poc [person of color] i am so f7cking offended by this. why hasn't she been canceled yet???
I’m asking this out of ignorance and not meaning to defend this movie, but what’s wrong with making a movie that neurodivergent people can’t watch as a medium to provide even the slightest bit enlightenment to neurotypical people in terms and visuals more effective for them? I’m not neurotypical but I’m also not autistic (which is an umbrella term that covers a huge spectrum of different experiences) and I would imagine there might be certain sensory/visual effects that seem perfectly plausible and normal and tell a cohesive story to an autistic person that I find wholly disjointed and overwhelming and confusing but to them tell a perfect story? I think that’s just fine, and maybe I won’t watch it but I’m glad there’s something in a rubric they can relate to...
I think it's important to point out that Maddie was 14 when her mom sighed her contract w Sia. As a 14 year old it's hard to know what you are getting your self into (She still need to own up to her actions) especially if your mom runs your whole career. Maddie cried and didn't wanna do this on the first day of filming, saying that she felt like she was disrespecting the community, even Sia herself comfirmed this. Sia have been showing obsession over Maddie for years, saying that she cant do her work if Maddie isn't by her side at all time, having sleep over together even though she is much much older.
I just wanted to point this out
(plz excuse the bad spelling lol)
Its worse than the abby obsession do u think?
I'm autistic, and the overall sentiment in the autistic community is that we don't blame Maddie. She was a minor, she said she was uncomfortable with it, and she was forced to go through with it anyways. The girl had more sense than the adults. I didn't know who Sia or Maddie were before the trailer for her horrible movie dropped and this whole thing started, but as a parent, I wouldn't have let Sia near my daughter! This is a massively unhealthy thing for Maddie.
Nobody blames Maddie. The adults were to blame. Hell, Maddie was a child and still was the only person to say "this is wrong!" Which says a lot.
Bro how is no one talking about how creepy that is
@@addiesmith8454 because it’s not creepy
TBH this is a bit irrelevant but I am concerned about Maddie Zieglers relationship with adults. Like Sia is definitely grooming her, not sexualy but still gromming her. Snuggling, living together, shutting down other projects, making projects for maddie to keep her in her side. And she literally talked about Maddie mental issues publicaly. And she literally said ' Melissa shares them with me' and remember when Abby said ' she is my daughter' and Melissa said ' I share them with her' and we all know how Abby and MacKenzies relationship went.
Edit - thx for the comments and likes I am glad ppl are bringing attention to this and are as concerned as I am
She acts like she owns her its weird
I feel really bad for Maddie from the very start as im looking back at it. Maddie was displayed in front of adults from the very beginning and was pushed into her limits to being the "best"
Lol yall be intuitive af. Your right tho. Vaguely reminds me of her accusations towards Sia. Straight outta left field and a curveball though im not calling her a liar.
Agreed
If Sia was a man would we bother to put the "not sexually" disclaimer? Many female predators get away with it cause we see their actions as motherly or not as bad
Sia: "You're specially abled!"
Me: "I would literally prefer it if you just called me a slur"
Oh god honey no
@@Amyahisdrama eh at least when are being called a slur they’re honest about hating you
Not this weird sickly-sweet “I’m on your side!” Act
@@chloskyskies4399 You really said you'd prefer being called a slur by a bigoted person than being called specially abled by a well meaning but out of touch person because the hateful person is honest and proud about their prejudice? Girl please wtf
@@Segel
I meant it as
I would rather a bigoted person be upfront and call me a slur
Than a bigoted person insult me but present it like a compliment and pretend they are being supportive
(Because then at least it’s obvious that they’re awful and easier to brush off)
I wasn’t referring to well meaning people who are mislead/confused
Sorry if i didn’t word it clearly
@Swag Monke nothing is wrong with furries- I actually think they’re really cool
Sia's obsession with Maddie is weird and creepy. The character is supposed to be mixed, but because her obsession she casts Maddie and not a black or mixed actress...
I'm genuinely convinced Sia has groomed Maddie considering how they've had "sleepovers" since Maddie was like 11
@@griffinbird3000 Sia is bi and has been keeping her for later.
@@griffinbird3000 Seriously? Yikes 😬
@@Sam-fg9lf What does being bi have to do with this tho?
@@Sam-fg9lf Don't use her bisexuality as an excuse please. Bisexual people are not predators.
calling disabled people "special" has the same vibes as when a yt person whispers the word black.. like.. it's not a curse word or whatever. you can say it
or going out of their way to not say black and calling a non-american black person african-american
I think a lot of people do this to avoid the algorithm that detects shit like that if I'm not wrong. If not your point stands either way, lol.
Saying African American instead of black definetely (and is the white equivalent European American? Either way it's a mouthful lol)
Yes!! Disabled, autistic, and neurodivergent aren't bad words. They're descriptive words. "Special" is not. I'm not part of the "special" community, I'm part of the disabled community.
Words like "special" instead of community-accepted descriptives are patronizing as fuck.
Am I the only one who’s always felt like Sia was completely obsessed with Maddie? I feel so bad for her honestly, Sia was a big part of her childhood, and she has to have this issue hanging onto her for the rest of her life.
Yeah someone had said something about that on Twitter I think and I honestly didn't even notice. Like in a way if she is her godmother it could be innocent but some things she just shouldn't do. You know?
Yeap. The first time was cute. The Elastic heart video, was (to say the least) polemic... but all of this, is just weird.
@@veronicagross7458 yeah hella weird
The entire Dance Moms fandom talks about it on reddit and youtube all the time actually, and it's even more problematic than it looks believe it or not. smdh.
@@veronicagross7458 Thank you for bringing this up again. The idea of her dancing with a grown man like that when she was 13 or something was very uncomfortable to watch. Even her chandelier video was a bit weird because Sia always has Maddie wearing skin tone leotards and has her acting strangely.
Oh my lord. My respect for you....
📈📈📈📈📈📈📈
“We don’t need to make people better by erasing their disabilities.”
thank you for always speaking so eloquently
Can you imagine D’Angelo being a living child. No. Therefore he is a robot with anti-aging skin.
He was born a grown man knowing full English and he’s always had an extremely deep voice.
Nah he’s just ✨black✨ and black don’t crack babyyy
Well...most of the time
@@kurti.cy. Im imagining a robot infant with a really deep voice, and I gotta say, I dont like it one bit
Exactly
i like how the distinction of "living" child implies the possibility for him to be a ghost child
This movie is like cuties, the idea is there, but the exicution is so terrible that it doesn’t matter.
They have the same rating as eachother on imdb. 3.1
Except Sia’s movie isn’t illegal, just offensive.
@@brushot let's all give Sia the "not as bad as she could've been" award.
FACTS
@@brushot who cares about the legality of it? It's about the harmful impact made not only on those who were in the movie but also those watching the movie. Blackface isn't illegal but does that mean you should do it? Similarly, she showed deadly restraint methods (and portrayed this as "loving") and autistic caricatures to reinforce stereotypes.
I honestly wouldn’t even DRAG Maddie into this.
Maddie had a whole breakdown on set saying how she didn’t wanna play the role because she didn’t wanted to hurt anyones feelings. She was crying and pleading for someone else to take her role but Sia denied to let her go and said that it was fine. She basically forced 14 yrs old Maddie to do something she didn’t wanted to do just because she “can’t make art without Maddie” which considering she was a minor at the time... it’s low key creepy.
She’s 18 but aside from that you’re absolutely right
@@aniram.6079 She's 18 now, but the film was shot in 2017.
The problem with this is everything people bring up the fact that the people involved in this film need to take accountability, it jumps to a conversation about defending Maddie instead of ableism, which should be the center of the conversation.
@@stephanie8417 exactly it’s always like “LEAVE MADDIE ALONE” “PROTECT MADDIE” like what about the real victims?
@@aniram.6079 She was 14 when filming started so I don't think she even got a say in her contract or how long it lasts.
can we also talk about how maddie was literally 14 when this was filmed.
no we cannot
So what? You are acting as if its the first time a child plays a role in a movie.
@@CoachTascha it’s highlight how sia’s weird fetishy behavior is even worse because of the age and power imbalance
@@CoachTascha It was a role that she was very uncomfortable doing but was coerced into doing by SIA who had basically become a mother figure in her life. Maddie's age is extremely relevant when trying to figure out who is accountable. In certain circumstances I would place some blame on the actor who decided to pursue the roll but this is not one of those times.
I feel like Sia never even considered casting someone other than Maddie for this. She has put Maddie in everything she has done ever since Chandelier, she just has this extremely motherly relationship with her. It’s disappointing, because she clearly put her agenda before anything else, and now is refusing to acknowledge that she missed the mark hard, ultimately hurting the one she most wanted to protect, which is Maddie.
Sia seems to be very obsessed with Maddie, it's creeping me out.
@@FoxGameCZ for real..! She’s not her mother. I can’t imagine why someone would be that close to a minor
There are clips from years ago of Sia saying that she wrote a movie for Maddie. So, I think she never intended to commit to hiring an autistic person.
Also I think she's Maddie's God-mother so that's weird, considering the already-imbalanced power dynamic.
@@faithfm1 that's a lie. She started the idea for the film 15 or so years ago, you can find that in interviews. Maddie is 18, so that's untrue.
sped
Can we also talk about how uncomfortable Sia and Maddie Ziegler's relationship is? Like Maddie would sleep in this grown woman's bed and split her time between Sia's house and her mom's house. Sia has also said that she refuses to do a project without Maddie. Idk it just all seems kind of weird...
......EW
@dew drop You can find online of Sia and Maddie's mother talking about these things with Maddie's mother saying that Sia and her daughter love to "snuggle." I'm not saying she's a predator, but their relationship is definitely questionable. Sia has also talked Maddie's mother out of letting Maddie do projects that she's not involved in. She pays for Maddie's security and has said that meeting Maddie felt like connection that a mother has with her first born. That's not even all of the things that make their relationship odd, considering this is an unrelated grown woman talking about a child. It's one thing to want Maddie to succeed and see her as a muse, but it's another that she's controlling her career and even when she takes pictures with fans.
@dew drop MackZBoss actually has a good video that talks about some of the obsessive older women in Maddie's life that includes Abby, Tonya Brewer (who has Maddie's teeth tattooed on her arm??), and of course, Sia. I recommend it because I think it puts into perspective how codependent these relationships are
This needs attention. As a (f) victim of one, women predators get away with too much. They run on stealth mode because people are biased to assume women are harmless and close relationships between them and children are always innocent. It shields them from scrutiny. Whether it's sexual or not, these manipulative, grooming relationships are a problem that never seems to rise to the light of day.
@Spongeman she is grown woman latching onto and controlling a child that she has NO familial relations to and acting like that’s her best friend. It’s weird and she’s also very controlling (convincing Maddie to quit other jobs to be in Sia’s movie and despite Maddie crying making her continue to act Autistic) it’s manipulative
Mothers who record their child's episodes are invasive and disgusting. They don't help, they're not "educating" they're profiting off their child's misery
maddie literally broke into TEARS and had panic attacks multiple times because she was scared of how fucked up it was.
It's so frustrating to me. Because not knowing for sure what the right, acceptable thing to do is and just going along with the direction of people you trust was _such_ a big part of growing up with ASD for me. It's all I had to go on.
I honestly don't really have a problem with the fact alone that a neurotypical person was cast as a neurodivergent person. An actor's job is to pretend to be someone they're not; male actors have played female characters and vice versa, abe-bodied actors have played disabled characters, trans actors have played cis characters, e.t.c.
It was genuinely _not her fault._ And she took _so_ much of the blame once the film came out. It _can't be overstated_ how badly Sia f***ed Maddie over by directing her like this.
the fact that there's an interview where sia says maddie ziegler started crying during filming and said "i don't want to do this, i don't want people to think i'm making fun of them" and sia convinced her to do it anyway i-
that 14 year old girl had better instincts about the way this movie would be perceived than sia
cool, sherlock
I thought maddie was 17?
@@miichelle19 she is currently, but was 14 during filming
@@miichelle19
Maddie is 18 actually
But this was filmed when she was 14
@@stellaelizabeth4104 OHHHHH 💀
As an autistic person, seeing the way Maddie was being made to act in this movie brought back memories of people at school mocking my community and using our disability as an insult. It really hurts and I wish we weren’t constantly stereotyped like this😔
This! My little brother is going into middle school and I never want him to come home saying he was bullied for being who he is, or him feeling anything but human and the way this movie portrays people with autism when there is a huuuge spectrum is disheartening
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@@anti.bctards7376 Bro, you're so funny. I bet people point at laugh at you at school all the time
Oh wow, you liked my comment, such a good comeback, you're so cool and rad
Is it just me, or was one of the most annoying parts the fact she wanted to treat the word "disability" like it was some kind of slur or dirty word? Being on the spectrum, I've never had an issue with calling it a disability. I've actually found it more insulting when people try to dance around it and find some other term. It's like, chill people. Acknowledging the fact I'm disabled doesn't make me less than anyone else. Cliche as it is, it literally just makes me different.
“i realized everyone on the spectrum was unique and different” it’s almost as if it’s........a spectrum...............
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
:O
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Once you have met one austic person you've me one austic person
This tickled me good. Tee he he he
About the restraint *TW medical trauma* : my earliest memory is of being restrained to get an IV hooked but they couldn't find a vein. I had acute pneumonia for about two weeks and could barely breathe, so I was terrified out of my mind. Thus I started having a violent fit and then about three nurses restrained me, lifted me up, got on top me, etc. I was 2½ years old. That was enough to cause me so much trauma that whenever something heavy lays on top of me I panic. I can't stand people crushing me. Humans usually don't have memories until age 4 unless they're traumatic. Don't fucking restrain people by crushing them.
What type of adult needs to physically get on top of a 2½ year old child to restrain them? That's besides the point I suppose, but I am so sorry that happened to you.
Thinking about this restraint stuff has genuinely made me realize possible harmful behavior that has happened to me that I had not realized-
I have a extreme phobia of needles (mixed with anxiety and autism is not fun) and I remember on one occasion when I started panicking and getting aggressive I was held down by multible nurses. I don't know if this has actually effected me in the long run though- all I know is I don't like long hugs or touching people I'm not completely fond of (like grandparents etc)
my mom used to do this to me when I had fits before I was diagnosed with autism and it literally only makes the situation worse
Did they know you had autism? They probably thought you were freaking out because a needle was being pressed into you. But I wasn’t there soo…
I know this is a very old comment and my comment is mostly irrelevant, but lots of people remember stuff from when they're 2. I have a bunch of memories from that age, which I know are true because they occurred in a specific house/city; we moved to a different house/city on my 3rd birthday. So while, yes that sounds very traumatic, I think framing your memory of that incident as being solely created from trauma might not be helpful in the way you think about it. Trying to be constructive, not dismissive.
We stan him making his content accessible with captions. Actual captions. Not automatically generated captions. Thank you.
YES i've thought this for so long it's so refreshing, esp on youtube
YES
I KNOW! It’s so nice too especially when he does it for his stream uploads. I’m so glad I found his channel because he genuinely is such a great RUclipsr
For real though! I hate that RUclips took public captions down, so I'm grateful that he goes through the effort of doing the captions himself.
@@person1232 or pays someone to do it
The character 'Music' was also inspired by a Black man, Stevie, that Sia met at the special olympics. But she picked Maddie for the role.
Yeah, she really likes that actress, in a kinda creepy way
@@helloill672 I completely agree.
@@helloill672 first Abby now Sia this girl has always had adults obsessing over her
@@helloill672 ifkr
@@missgrace97 i will put money on the fact maddie probably has some sort of contract with sia,,, much like she had one with dance moms. maybe she doesnt but idk i dont think maddie has much a say in most of this
I will say that we shouldn't hate on Maddie, she was a literal CHILD who didn't want to do the movie and during filming would break down crying because she knew people would hate her for making this crap. So let's go easy on her.
@@anti.bctards7376
Wtf?
If you're not autistic please don't take the focus away from the autistic people she hurt right now. Yes Maddie was done wrong but that's a separate conversation
@@Labinzel they keep spamming that link risking triggering a seizure in anyone who clicks it I just keep reporting the comments
maddie is an adult and has been one for a while so i don’t know what you’re trying to insinuate here
This movie was filmed when maddie was 14. Sia told her people wouldn't be mad at her for her role although Maddie knew it was wrong. Its not like she could say no, since sia was a trusted adult
Does nobody remember Sia's interview with some lady where the woman compared autistic people to wigs and Sia agreed?? I saw it online once and it was disgusting
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I'm not autistic, but I am neuro-divergent. I swear if someone calls us any of us with any sort of mental disabilities "special abilities" I WILL scream.
I'm autistic and yes, literally wtf I HATE it.
Same I am also neuro-divergent and it makes me so mad because it is patronizing and it feels like when someone talks down to you cause they think your are dumb.
May i know what term is neutral to use? Sometimes i want to discuss it with my friends but idk what to say to refer the condition in a respectful way
So it is like a mental or neurological function which isn’t considered neurotypical or “normal”. So like adhd, autism, Tourette, Asperger’s, ADD, dyslexia, dyscalcuia, and other things. I have ADD.
@@bree6298 Basically yes. So you'd be considered neuro-divergent as well. The term ADD isn't really used anymore, now it's just ADHD, but there are three types of ADHD (hyperactive, inattentive, and combined), so you probably inattentive or combined ADHD. I also have ADHD, which would put me under the neuro-divergent umbrella.
The fact that she think not using the word “disabled” makes it better, while most of the autistic community actually prefer that term.
Seriously terms like “differently abled” or “special abilities” just sound patronizing and condescending as hell, I hate it
Yep!
Genuine question, but is it okay to just call someone different? I feel like it's accurate and neutral in tone. There's nothing wrong with being different and nobody pities someone being different so it's not patronizing it's just the truth. Everyone's out here throwing all these elaborate terms around, I'm struggling to find the politically correct one, but in the end I just say "They're just different, so what?" 🤷♀️
@@naheleshiriki5496 I mean we're all different anyway regardless of disabilities...
@@naheleshiriki5496
Depends on context
@@naheleshiriki5496 It depends of the context. If you're using it to replace the word "disabled", then usually no (though some are probably fine with it). But if you're just using it to describe people in general, then it's fine.
My brother has autism and hates when people call him special because he feels like they wouldn't call a person without disabilities special
Sounds like you're brother has a brain. Kudos to him
@@Vissorilio ikr it's really patronizing and almost as bad as straight up insulting us
I had no idea it was actually an insult.
@@Noname-rq1hr now you know, don't feel bad most people don't realize it offends them
@Becky 605 Even if you don’t know it would offend people, it’s still othering to call someone with autism “special” when they’re human beings like everyone else. So it’s a matter of thinking before you speak, opposed to knowing if what you’re saying will be offensive.
"crushing her with my love"... that sounds like you're about to m word someone
i can feel the claustrophobia from here
people with claustrophobia:
do you mean marry or murder? because both work.
@@jacencade4019 i'll leave it up to your imagination
@@jacencade4019 maybe "molest"
"I'm crushing her with my love!"
This is the worst sentence I've ever seen in my life.
i honestly don’t know how to feel about leslie odom jr. now. like, hamilton is good and i really did like him but now seeing that? i’m not autistic so i can’t speak for their experiences but i really wanna know if we should be holding him accountable too.
"Are you lost baby girl?" Is a strong contender
maybe go back to Reddit and you’ll see worse
reminds me of Selena Gomez 'kill them with kindness'..... cringe
Let's hope youtube doesn't demonetize a black person for saying "Magical Negro."
@b l who the fuck are u?
@@yeeetmetospace7927 not autistic 😹
@b l nah no thanks I already saw it and I don't have a interest of tiktok tea
There are videos on youtube that are still up that have said worse. I sure hope not.😭
Probably the title of Sia's next film too
we as a society need to have a chat about how fucking weird Sia's relationship with Maddie is, she has been creepily close to her since she was ELEVEN and claims that this child is her muse and she can't do a project without her, a child. Women can be groomers too and Sia has quite clearly been grooming Maddie for years.
Fr. I've always thought it was weird and the fact that barely anyone caught on was worrying. Eventually, though, I just forgot about Sia in general, but now that she's being brought to attention more now, I think it's about time this gets talked about.
facts and her relationship with abby was also very weird and grooming like there was one time abby even kissed her. i think she’s been brought up being groomed by older women in mentor positions maybe not sexually but emotional codependent grooming more likely and has fallen into the trap of an abuse cycle :((( makes me hurt for her so bad she’s a talented smart girl who seems to be actually kind :((
@@april4524 I know I feel so bad for her because she is so talented and from what we can see she's a sweet girl who has good intentions with what she does her mom just allows other women to come in and take over her daughter's life
And also idk if you no this but i also find it weird that Sia is literally Maddie’s godmother! Like Melissa is out here leaving her child with a random lady that’s obsessed with her and letting them having sleepovers with each other!!!
I have no words
@@stevengrantods3803 I never want to he one to comment on someone's parenting but Melissa letting these women be such huge parts of Maddie's life is very uuuuuuhh not great
Also in an itnerview Sia said that on the first day of filming Maddie actually cried and said she didn't want to continue as she thought people would think she is making fun of them. But Sia pushed her to continue... like ugh...
Disabled person here: Before I had even seen the trailer or the movie clips or heard the details of the casting, I knew this movie was bad news. How? The plot centers, not on the autistic character, but on the *caretaker* of the autistic girl. The story is all about the personal growth of the abled person, and how the disabled person helps their growth. This is a constant problem in disability representation in media: We are always there to inspire and motivate the abled people. We never get to have our own personal growth stories. And even worse, making a story about a disabled person's caretaker is seen as the same thing as supporting disabled voices. This is not a story about the disabled experience. It's a story about how abled, neurotypical people think of autism. And they are pretty much always wrong.
Thank you for this comment! You put words to the discomfort I was always feeling when watching movies including stories about disabilities. It always felt off and now I understand that it was because we always see the journey of the person influenced by the individual with disabilites, not the journey of the disabled person. It's like when people say, 'You should go work with disabled people, you can learn SO MUCH from them' as if it was some sort of lifestyle achievement and trophy at the same time.
Exceptionally good point!
i have a question if you don’t mind answering. how do you feel about the portrayal of an autistic character by a non-autistic actor if it’s done well. for example, sam in “atypical,” shawn murphy in “the good doctor,” or abed nadir in “community”?
@@bandetee9258 Atypical, especially in season one, is awful representation. The difference is they listened to criticism and took it on board for the next seasons, but it's still not ideal. I haven't seen the other two, but autistic characters should always be played by autistic actors. A good example is the series Everything's gonna be okay, which was directed by an autistic and has autistic actors playing the main characters.
Even worse, this care taker is a recovering drug addict, which sia was in the past
Please talk about how creepy Sia’s relationship with Maddie Ziegler is, its so concerning. She hasn’t done a project without Maddie since she was 12 and they literally “cuddle” together in bed.
This is ridiculous, I’m seeing these comments everywhere. Sia is maddie’s godmother- basically an aunt. My aunt used to cuddle and hug me when I was 12, what’s the issue? Please stop making a “grooming” issue out of nothing, this kind of accusation without proof can ruin lives
@@shisah5544 what about sia being racist? i mean, she literally made maddie do blackface, but hid it behind the autistic part. she did two wrongs in the movie.. which could have easily been avoided
I really hope for Maddie’s sake it’s not a harmful situation but from everything we can see i really doubt it. Sia’s not her family, she’s a celebrity with an obvious savior complex. Even if she’s not doing anything to deliberately harm Maddie it’s sketchy, who would let their preteen/teenager CUDDLE with a grown woman, it just doesn’t sound healthy like she literally didn’t even know Maddie before she worked on her music video and then immediately went to love bombing
not saying either way but it certainly is odd. There's a lot to unpack reading between the lines
@@shisah5544 According to some sources, Sia said she'd rather off herself than do a project without Maddie. Even if everything else can be seen as fine, there's no excuse for this.
Yo, you missed an entire other DIMENSION of this controversy. Sia revealed that Maddie was so upset that she cried, because she didn’t want autistic people to think she was making fun of them, and Sia made her do that horrible portrayal anyway. Later, Sia tried to justify shoehorning Maddie in as the main character instead of an actual autistic person by calling Maddie her “muse” and saying she “doesn’t want to” make a project without Maddie and “wouldn’t make art if it didn’t include her”. Which is CREEPY AS FUCK.
Keep in mind Maddie just turned 18, so she’s been a minor the entire time she’s known Sia. Maddie’s mom says she’s had many “sleepovers” with Sia, and they slept in the same bed and “cuddled”? Plus the whole Elastic Heart video was so creepy, Sia saying Maddie represents her “inner child” sets off alarm bells when you realize Sia was sleeping with Shia Labeouf during the filming of the Elastic Heart MV.
Edit: I know this comment and video are now 1 month old, but if anybody wants to know more, MackZBoss made a video about Maddie and the concerning relationship with the adults in her life (including from her dance mom days), with sources I can’t provide in a YT comment. And I’d also like to remind people that like…gr00ming is a thing + Sia has been a major part of Maddie’s career, so there’s also a huge power imbalance. There’s nothing wrong with kids sleeping in the same bed as a parent/parent figure, it’s the additional added context that makes the situation go from weird to bad.
Yeah he missed the hilariously terrible quote from Sia, “I realized it wasn’t ableism. I mean, it is ableism I guess as well, but it’s actually nepotism because I can’t do a project without [Maddie].”
Homegirl said I’m not ableist! well ok yes I am but not only that! I’m also just very attached to Maddie and cast her because I like her, not because I felt like she could do the best job portraying the role
@@omiave8706 I agree that I don’t think it’s creepy on its own, I think people are just viewing it in a new light after knowing all of this stuff about Sia.
Gives me Michael Jackson vibes
You serious??? Oh nah she gotta go- 😕😕
Dimension? quit acting smart 😹
I have autism and I've been diagnosed with it for almost three years, and the way she depicts autism, ESPECIALLY THE RESTRAINT SCENE is so disappointing. people who enjoy and praise this film don't know that most of what she says about ASD is wrong, and that this film's consultant for autism was Autism Speaks, AKA the PETA of autism. :/ if actual simple research was made (with a late life diagnosis i did tons of research online when i was diagnosed and knew almost everything in this film was BS) this could have been a great film to really highlight and give support. Really sad. I feel bad for Maddie, it was said she actually cried on set multiple times because she felt like she was making fun of autistic people.
I like to think of A$ as the Salvation Army of autism; if you know _nothing_ about them, and only go by what you know from surface-level cultural osmosis, then it's easy to support them when vocally called upon to, because they _sound_ like good organizations, and have _scarily_ good PR. It's how they're so successful, and why a lot of otherwise highly regarded public figures have supported them in the past, despite the _horrifying_ things they've done and _do._
finally she deleted her twitter; the movie was absolutely inaccurate and disgusting
Not only that, she had the AUDACITY to WILLINGLY not use someone with actual autism bc she wanted Maddie to play that part. At this point, if u rlly need someone that bad to have them play an autistic person that's just...weird
it really was 🤦🏽♀️
That much was obvious
The whole thing is bullshit lol
I thought it was going to be maybe showing how it is to be autistic or something and bring awareness but the portrayal was literally trash omg the way she made Maddie act and (idk if he talked about this in the video cause I haven’t watched it yet lol) I heard that Maddie said she was uncomfortable doing certain things in the movie because she didn’t want to be hurtful to her fans
@@kailajensen1021 I feel bad for Maddie then if that’s true :(
Poor Maddie Ziegler. She doesn’t deserve to be cancelled for this. She was 13 at the time Sia cast her and was involved with the project for so long that she probably couldn’t back down even if she realized it was problematic. Not to mention she was in so many of Sia’s videos and performances, so there’s a power dynamic to consider. It can be real hard to say no or voice your opinions to an adult you’ve been working with, especially if other adults around her were encouraging her to do this film. Now at 18, she’s just tryna do the best she can with damage control cause she was a kid when she agreed to do this. Hope she can divorce herself from this scandal soon without ruining her career.
sia is maddie's godmother.
@@kawaiipateu147 doesn’t matter
I hope she can get away from the women who are obsessed with her and manipulating her.
Sia has a very unhealthy relationship with Maddie and Maddie's mother enables this. Hopefully Maddie will break free of adults wanting to (ab)use her asap.
@@Adara007 They even quarantined in the same house, *sleeping in the same bed*
I’m neurodiverse call me disabled not “specially abled” not “differently abled” just disabled that’s all, nothing more nothing less than my neurotypical peers. Calling us disabled acknowledges our struggles we face in day to day life anything else is stigmatizing and infantilizing us. I need help with education and just need instructions repeated until it clicks that’s all.
Thank you so much for that ik not every disabled person thinks the same way but its nice to hear your perspective because of the lack of representation in mainstream media thank you for informing me!
i hate this mindset abled/neurotypical people have that words like mentally ill and disabled are slurs? like no, we literally are mentally ill and/or disabled. performative "wokeness" is so awful.
@@kriss2077 Exactly its just wanting to seem woke and has a hero complex like no I have a disability and struggle with things that other people can do teat me like everyone else while also being aware of when i need some help. its not something cool and its not a trend its something I had to learn to accept that i have and thinking its cool and some superpower gets rid of that struggle I faced to accept myself as mentally disabled. its a learning disability its a part of me I have challenges with in day to day life.
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If anything, it’s essentially idolizing autism. Autistic people are normal people with a disability. They aren’t any less capable. It’s essential saying “hey, you’re special, you don’t have struggles, and if you do, deal with it.”
Her film, which won the Razzie Award for "Worst Picture" also ended up winning Sia the award for "Worst Director"
Yikes...
wait are those actual awards lol
man sia was such a promising artist... whelp she's a mess like the rest of most celebs :(
I loved her music and was actually a fan for a while. This was so disappointing to see :(
i know, her song chandelier is so special to me, it really is a shame!
@@chocolatepudding7116 ik :(
your fav can be problematic, one of the reasons why we need to stop idolizing celebs :/
edit: no, harry styles/taylor swift isn’t my idol lol, i just see them as an inspiration, nobody is perfect/unproblematic.
@@jasperrrwpng it's tragic :(
i’m not autistic but restraint has been used on me to “help” calm my tic attacks because i have motor tics and it’s really painful and traumatizing.
that is sad and incredibly fucked up.
Sry dude that sucks
EXACTLY like even for ppl who aren’t autistic the whole movie is a giant trigger
Moral of the story:
Don’t make a movie about something you have no clue about
Especially if you refuse to take any feedback or talk with literally anyone experienced in the field
@@Chrisko1492 just shut up 😭🤚🏾 I'm so embarrassed for you rn 💀💀
Sia has a very unhealthy relationship with Maddie and Maddie's mother enables this. Hopefully Maddie will break free of adults wanting to (ab)use her asap.
as someone w adhd, i can tell you that during a meltdown, there is little to no cognitive function. it’s pure emotion, and it usually stems from feeling super overwhelmed, if anyone were to try and grab me and hold me like that mid-meltdown, i’d get seriously hurt, i’d hurt the person holding me, and the meltdown intensity would increase astronomically. never EVER hold someone down if they’re having a meltdown. instead, try to remove stressors in the environment they’re in. give the person a lot of space, let them get it out. the fact that sia even had the nerve to act like it’s okay to do that? it just implies that meltdowns are a simple thing, they’re easily contained- they’re not. not even close. it’s extremely horrible that this was even made, and then called realistic.
the fact that neurotypical people have the nerve to speak for us and try to explain this sh*t is absurd and abelist in itself. we can tell you how to help, we can tell you what’s happening (those of us that are high-functioning *normally, when at a resting state, these labels aren’t accurate and don’t encapsulate the full view of what we actually experience*), we can explain what goes on in our head and how we feel- it is just very difficult to put into words. but no one else knows or can understand how we feel, they don’t experience it.
thank you thank you thank you this comment needs all the likes. literally sia is just a big no-go
@@pigeon8278 Same
Thank you i am not very educated on the struggles of people with mental illnesses so this helped me understand a little better.
Not only that, but it misinforms viewers on how to react if an autistic person they know has an epileptic seizure, as epilepsy sometimes follows ASC. If someone is having a meltdown or attack, DO NOT TOUCH THEM - you should remove anything in the environment that can hurt them or cause them more stress.
@@user-ke4xe4fz3t nope, adhd. adhd shares a lot of the same symptoms as autism. i’m diangnosed and take meds for focusing (concerta and methylphenidate). you’re not qualified to try and diagnose me or tell me what i have, especially since a real doctor already has.
I know this goes without saying, but if someone is having a meltdown, DO NOT TOUCH THEM, let alone crush them, unless they explicitly tell you to do otherwise. Give them space, don't talk to them or stand too close, do whatever they tell you to do, and if they're nonverbal or can't talk at the moment, don't do anything until they calm down on their own or try to find someone close to them who will know what they need.
I think this is why the "autism cards" we are given (at least I the UK) are kinda helpful, because if you're having a meltdown in a situation surrounded by strangers, you can have a card that tells them what to do and who to contact. It's kinda cool.
Touching them can hurt them or put you in harm. Remove anything that might hurt/stress them, and shield their head if you have something soft.
@@Hunter_Brandon If you could just go have yourself a seat on a running chainsaw, that sure would be swell. Thanks.
If the police's goal is to kill them, then yeah - it works wonders
My family has learned to ask me yes-or-no questions like, "Do you need to isolate?" and if I nod, they'll identify a safe, quiet place for me to retreat and let me go there until I can function again. Often the quiet place is identified and agreed upon ahead of time so that if I randomly disappear during the event, they know where I've gone and why without me having to tell them.
"I'm sorry, do you expect me to believe that doctors, nurses and singers are somehow more important or better than sex workers" WE LOVE TO SEE THE RESPECT
PURRR Everyone deserves respect 😤🔥
Well, deffently not singers, they go to the bottom of the pile
@@helloill672 They still provide a source of entertainment, but we shouldnt hold them above other people. Everyone deserves respect being that we're all human :)
This the only part where I dont agree with d'angelo, she clearly didn't mean that, she meant that trans actors are often cast to portray sex workers and addicts, which is a stereotype of trans people, specially trans women. However casting trans actors has nothing to do with disability/autism so she just sounds self congratulating and insincere for using that as an excuse.
@@phosphenevision oh, thank you for informing me :)
i feel bad for maddie. my first instinct when i heard about this movie was "why would she want to do this" and i didnt even know she was a kid or that people kept telling her it was fine. yikes. i hope shes doing okay
Imagine hundreds of people telling you what you did wrong and you just going "I'm correct. Y'all just sensitive"
Yeah, it's just downright embarrassing.
it’s so ridiculous. i hate when people try to use that as an argument. yes, this is a sensitive topic for some people, and any good person would respect that. there’s nothing wrong with caring about something and voicing your thoughts
@@boogrlovr Yeah, I hate the concept that sensitivity is a bad thing. Like yes, some people are more easily hurt than others. It doesn't give you the right to hurt them.
the fucking hubris. so many people were giving her the chance to listen to disabled voices and she turned them all away.
@UCwbVG-0gzKQQZbZckwKkmmw I understand that Sia didn't intend to harm the community, but she is a grown woman and when faced with an entire community criticizing her portrayal of themselves, she lashed out at them, insulted them, and then ran and hid. People have a right to be angry. This isn't about canceling her, it's about making autistic people the louder voice in their own narratives. Sia's movie is inaccurate, and people (specifically autistic people) need to correct it, loudly, so that people understand that her movie is inaccurate. It's about education, not cancel culture (at least that's my goal, and I think most people's-- D'Angelo has said multiple times that he is against cancel culture).
so basically she’s doing Tokenism: The Movie.
I swear for the first second I thought I read “Tolkenism” and I was like DONT INSULT THE GENIUS THAT IS TOLKEIN’S WORK”
@@anti.bctards7376 what? they literally just said this is an example of tokenism because of the obvious stereotypes in it that people use to condone ableism. Please stop being a troll.
At least if she was doing Tokenism, she would have maybe had a token autistic actor in the background...but no, apparently for Sia they're all too bad at acting to even achieve that!
@@anti.bctards7376
But That’s literally what she did, even in the article she said she was doing what tokenism means, adding characters that have a disability, lgbtq, or colored for clout...
Calling anyone with any disability “special” whether it be physical, mental, neurological or chronic. Is literally so infantilizing.
that's why the movie "Intouchables" was so cool, because the dude in the wheelchair was treated like a human being and not an animal or special person, ugh i hate abelists
There was a time when that term was used to give a sense of societal value to children who had been considered not viable in society. The problem was that no-one who was actually disabled or even just different was consulted about how THEY felt about it. It was always patronising and, ironically, VERY "othering". It hasn't been legitimately used for years and ended up being a term of abuse.
How does she not know this?
Wait so we don’t call them special needs kids anymore? Do we call them just mentally disabled? Or
@@Hanapetals that is not what is meant when you say special needs
nice que so they are special needs, and have special needs....but you can’t call them special 🥲 ooookay I guess..?
A reminder that Maddie was 14 when she did the movie and that she was very uncomfortable with doing it but was pressured by Sia to go forward with it anyways.
I thought we learned from Cuties that making movies about sensitive topics without knowing anything about them is a horrible idea. Guess we didn't.
Don't even remind me about that movie ✋💀
THANK THE LORD YOU POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, WE NEEDED YOU 😩
we did need him ✋😌
We need him he is my life support
@@the_sussyone1739 same 🙌🏽
Not all superheroes wear capes
He posts everyday chill bro
It doesn’t seem like ANY of her “research” actually stuck
Her "I spend 3 years researching autism" reminded me of JK Rowling claiming she did a lot of research into trans-men and -women as some sort of justification xD.
It literally takes a quick google search to know what she's doing is wrong
Literally take like 5 minutes to find out EVERYTHING the sia was doing is wrong....
Her "research" is like that of a sixth grader who is trying to get a 2 month project done in one night. She just skimmed and took the easiest parts, avoiding any complexity or depth. (That's if she actually did any research at all)
@@cre-k8-ive I'm pretty sure even a sixth grader spending one night researching this topic fora school project would get a more informed view on the topic...
“I’m crushing her with my love”
Everyone: h u h. ? !
The one thing that you missed is that the specific restraint that was used in the movie (called prone restraining) has actually killed teens with autism via suffocation. Not only did she depict something traumatic, she depicted something LETHAL.
You did well on the topic otherwise! I like that your voice went up an octave when talking about the "bad actor" tweet xD
the fact that she used “Special abilities” to describe anyone with a disability just shows that she didn't do her research.
lmaooo apparently autistic people have super powers now
All autistic people have a super power, like rain man or abed.
For some reason people are scared to just say disability
Legit like no its not a good thing? Am i comfortable in myself? yes. Do i hate my autism? NO. But does that mean i have some superpower that neurotypicals dont have?! NOOO. Like why do they not realise I'm OKAY with it without them making it seem like I dont go through any struggles in a really patronising way
Its like the "despite her autism, she did this" like no i just passed a test, I've never had issues with schoolwork so why now I'm diagnosed am I suddenly incapable of it?! (Ofc if you DO have struggles with it, its amazing you did well, but I never have and they treat me like I'm a toddler who just learned to walk or something, I don't do anything "despite" of my autism)
Back when I was in elementary school, I used to be "restrained". My school did it, it was eventually shut down because a mother of an autistic child came to the school and saw that he was being held down and screamed, and THEN shoved into that stupid tiny cramped white empty closet.
*I can't believe it went on for so long all because most of us grew up being restrained.*
I now suffer from severe claustrophobia. I can't stand being in tiny inclosed rooms, being grabbed, or being surrounded by people. Not like I enjoyed it much as a kid either, but it's not a secret I was more "social" before they did this. So much the the point I had to go to a school where there was only 6 people in the entire High school.
So much where I have the constant fear of having a breakdown in front of people.
So much to the point where when I do break down my anxiety heightens a lot when I'm around more people. There's only *ONE* person I feel safe crying around. And that is my bf.
It's a slow process but I am getting stronger. My trauma may never be completely gone, but it doesn't define me. I won't let it define me.
Everytime one of the teachers restrained me, I never understood why. Most of the time I was just crying. Or panicking. I needed to calm myself down. They'd drag me by my leg, making my head hit the ground multiple times while we made it to the closeted room. I still don't know why. I remember telling them to let me go so I can deal with it myself. And to leave me alone. Why? When any other kid cried they would be told it's okay by the teacher, but because I'm neurodivergent I'm going to be punished. :(
Thank you for reading.
Wow, that's fucked up :(
Sorry that this happened to you
I'm sorry you had to experience that. That sounds awful
I’m so so sorry you and others had to go through that, that’s really fucked up ;-;
I am so, so sorry that this happened to you. I hope you’re getting the treatment and care you needed back then and I hope things are better for you now. Jesus, teachers and school doing shit to kids has got to stop. This reminds me of the movie Matilda and how the principal would shove kids into The Chokey and how traumatized they’d be after. It’s abuse no matter how anyone spins it, and the fact that anyone would say that they’re just trying to help is absolute horseshit. I hope to god you are doing much better nowadays, my friend.
I love that this movie is so problematic, you can go on a ten minute rant about it and not even get to the fact that Maddie had to do brown face in it.
This is like casting Scarlett Johansson to play as Harriet Tubman.
I shouldn’t be surprised that an executive actually approached Julia Roberts back in the 90’s to portray miss Tubman and had the audacity to tell her no one would notice, but I’m still baffled
@@rocyrino Seriously? Where can I find out more about this??
Shhhh don’t give Hollywood any ideas 😂
@@Sharon-zj2gp can probably search it up on Google. I didn’t want to look it up because I don’t wana find out it’s true 😭
There's a story about a producer in the nineties who was pitched a tubman biopic and greenlit it on the condition that Julia Roberts play tubman, when told tubman was a black historical figure the producer said "it was such a long time ago, people won't notice if shes white" lmao
she's basically a white-savior for nerotypical people
Please don't call me "neurodivergent" I'm autistic. It's like people calling me a "person of color" when it's one step away from "colored people". I hate these new fancy "labels" throwing me in these boxes. :T That said, I do agree she has a "savior complex".
@@sanne4419 I think they meant neurotypical, because abled saviors are never actually for neurodivergant people.
What is the point of saying neurodivirgent, Ad-HD is not the same as Autism, neither is anxiety. I have ad-HD but I can still function like a normal member of society without meds. Ad-HD doesn't affect me that badly so calling me neurodivergent is incredibly patronizing
@@tenebraequeene Neurodivergent isn't just autism though, it's anyone and everyone who has a brain that functions differently from neurotypicals. (Autism, Tourettes, ADHD etc.) The wording is similar to cis and trans
@@reharm_reality Oops sorry my autistic ass didn't register lmao
seems like Sia was trying to make a deep “artsy” film but all of it feels incredibly tone deaf and humiliating. From her responses it feels like she’s never had criticism like this before since most of her work is often praised. But her true colors showed, and she doesn’t give a fuck about autism or autistic people, just wants to profit from them.
Oh 100%. Sia clearly has no ability to take criticism and no ability to be self aware and accept that she’s capable of being in the wrong, mostly because for her entire career people have just been worshipping her and kissing the ground she walks on.
How did people give her money for this?
SIA has always been a massive wanker, it's just taken a bit for the rest of the world to notice. As an Australian I can tell you that all our ~artsy~ types are like this
@@bodybuild5975 you are copying and pasting this everywhere to try and make sia out to be the victim in this situation, and it’s really not working.
@@user-cw6vz4nm8y I wasn’t trying to make her a victim, but I can tell you have some empathy for her
As a Neurodivergent person, I’m so glad you brought this to attention bc this WHOLE situation is so messed up. Neurodivergent people often get overlooked just because our disabilities aren’t necessarily “physical”. I’m just glad someone with your size of a platform is talking about this 🖤💕 Much love!
I get overlooked too because I am also neurodivergent
don’t say neurodivergent in this situation. it’s about autistic people and autistic people only. stop trying to be included in autistic people’s business once again.
@@TheeEnglishLesbian I have autism as well, I got diagnosed when I was 6 … this movie just a rubbed me the wrong way …. I struggled a lot growing up ..
@@TheeEnglishLesbian I’m not trying to take away from autistic people I was talking about how these issues usually get overlooked in general. I’m sorry if it came off that way that was not my intention
@@attiechan.official No worries …. Is just that this movie was very offensive to me … somethings in the movie that should not have been put in …
I’m glad a person with a large base is finally talking about this. Everyone has been fucking ignoring the community for MONTHS
I’ve been so bothered by that too. I’ve barely seen anyone even mention it outside the disability communities.
ReadyToGlare talked about it MONTHS ago. i’ve seen a few other commentator channels talk abt it too
@@misseselise3864 I don’t know who that is, but I’ll be sure to check them out
@@misseselise3864 what’s the video called? I tried looking it up but couldn’t find it.
@@lindensalter6713 she titles her videos weird and there’s hundreds of them. i just know i’ve seen a video from her about it and i don’t care to watch hundreds of videos to find one for you. you’re perfectly capable of doing that yourself
Okay can we just talk about how talented D'angelo is. Like who wouldn't want a meal made by the one and only D'angelo.
It looked really tasty ngl!
@@Ava_5411 Fr tho
Chef Boy-R-D’angelo
@@trashbaby9000 dude I'm creasing 😭😂
I’ve seen better editing and composition
Was she so used to being so praised and “perfect”, that the second she made a flaw she deleted her account instead of saying sorry These influencers are cowards.
I mean, this is more than just criticism. But...well, this movie is just bad.
she deleted her account bcuz triggered ppl kept harassing her over an acting position, i don't like the movie and im not defending it but it's a fking movie and the actor is acting her role
@@Miztique Let's make this easier for you to understand. Would you cast a white actor in a movie about a black person, while the movie specifically focuses on the issues that plagues the black community?
Twitter is the most toxic place in the world
@@lemillionloser526 Exactly what I’m saying. Why would someone in their right mind think that you should showcase autism by casting someone who doesn’t have autism? Make it make sense lol
“What I learned is that everyone on the spectrum is different. Everyone is unique and beautiful in their own way.”
You had to... learn that?
maddie is fresh out of childhood and likely never met maybe neurodiv people in her life. she's, again, barely an adult who probably can't articulate herself well. leave her alone.
What else could she have said? I cried when I was approached to do it.... Yet was obliged to act in it cos I'm the muse of the woman who created this movie who also has entrapped me into abuse by legalising herself as my godmother....
Do you expect a child to know everything about different people? Stop attacking Maddie
@@CattyLoveKittenLove She was 14 not a "child" legally a child but technically not a child, but when it came out she was 17 or 18
@@acelesbianmrclean you think you would have said something smarter when you were 14? Especially considering the overall experience she had making this movie... “everyone’s beautiful and different” is a relatively safe thing to say when you’re 14 and don’t want to get in trouble but also don’t really know what to say. There are a lot of issues with that movie, but a kid making clumsy statements regarding their experience with a work they didn’t want to do isn’t one worth lingering over.
maddie was 14 when she filmed this. I think it was hugely irresponsible for the adults around her to not only allow but endorse her participation in this movie. iirc maddie’s had a work relationship with sia from a very young age (11 years old) so of course she looks up to and trusts her.
“I’m going to crush you now and make you feel safe” is one of the most disgusting, horrifying, and stupid things I have ever read.
Sia is literally obsessed with Maddie. Her weird obsession with being young and using Maddie to feel that way is just so weird and creepy. It’s no wonder she only wanted Maddie in the movie.
Sia is Maddie’s godmother...
@@susanw9111 that doesn’t make it any less creepy.
Isis Bonner coming from someone who has 2 godfamilies they literally are your family. Growing up with them made things much better on my immediate family. Maybe on the outside it can look weird but it’s a close bond through Christ
@@susanw9111 Sia literally forced maddie who was 14 to continue to thru this movie despite literally having a breakdown. That’s not something family does.
Genos West her mother was there on set because at the time she was a minor.