“That’s not a kind of woman, that’s a kind of man “. This right here is the kind of reasoning that makes me so glad for your content. You literally rock
Yeah, the moment she said there should be a place in feminism for women who "say no but mean yes" I was like "oh, so you mean feminism should accommodate women too insecure in their sexuality, agency and desires to state what they want by reinforcing the dangerous and harmful belief that even when women explicitly state someone's sexual advances aren't welcome they secretly are, so no harm done?" She's got some audacity dubbing herself a "strong woman" and that "she paved the way" when she can't even admit what she wants to her partner lol. Saying that feminism should support this line of thinking really just outs her as someone whose comments on feminism and women's issues shouldn't be taken seriously as she's clearly talking from a place of ignorance. How out-of-touch does she have to be to not realize that the kind of "woman" she's describing is opposed to feminism's ideas of valuing women's words and reclaiming female sexuality? Her brand of "womanhood"- and by that I mean solely her "say no but mean yes" part of it, not traditional femininity nor submissive role- never was and never will be morally okay. Her thinking that "a new/3rd wave of feminism will come" (ayyyy lmao, I'm second-hand embarrassed on her behalf at this point) in which this is acceptable, is just another indication of her talking out of her ass while trying to look informed. This was likely just a publicity stand so I don't wanna waste too much time talking about it. I just think it's genuinely hilarious that she gets butthurt over people telling her that she's regressive then wonders what's wrong with feminism for not endorsing her "I say no but I mean yes" bs that is frequently used as an excuse for sexual assault and rape. It's a statement that's lacking self-awareness so much that it's brilliant. Oh and D'Angelo's a doll for voicing that, and voicing it so briefly yet accurately.
"If a woman says no and a man hears yes, that's not a type of woman, that's a type of man..." Thank you. We need more people to think like this. Then maybe there wouldn't be so much victim blaming.
Honestly, if he lived in my area, was my age, and is this thought out about everything, I’d pull a Utah and be married to him in a month. He’s very responsible, compassionate, and kind.
Maybe being intentionally obtuse/goal post shifting by bringing your "words say no but voice says yes" concept is actually just having a screwy sense of flirtation yourselves? I never once had a moment where I acted on something that the woman did not word-for-word verbally commit to and things worked just fine! It's necessary or important to you do play these games, such that you'd defend it online? hmm
@wings of a butterfly No means no. If you had no interest with someone but they kept pushing themselves onto you, thats harrassment. It's people like you who pressure people into having sex/relationships with you with your constant begging, bitching and moaning.
@wings of a butterfly LDR can hardly be considered "original" for discussing the 'no means yes' trope. The writer Colette immediately comes to mind. Her short stories look at different sides of that trope: its destructiveness, its nuance, possibly pleasures, and the consequences. That this young man can intelligently discuss different templates placed onto members of society and reflect back the idea that most often the man is placing his designs on the woman is at least worthy of discussion. Certainly the idea that LDR might be a bird in a cage she doesn't know exists would be next level as well. Or she might simply be flirtatious as you say...or even the mistress devising all this, a puppet master. That's still not terribly original, but perhaps interesting. Madonna thought it was fun 20+ years ago. However, to dismiss the reality that so many women deal with unwanted attention under the guise of "no means yes" as the crabbing of sjw's is far too pat. You seem far too intelligent to miss that.
thats what they say but thats not what they actually stand for, they dont want equal rights at all, they want to be the dominant sex, but they are deluded and ruin tv shows and movies, star wars was ruined because they let feminazis in
The way he dragged her, shaded her, appreciated her, supported her and exposed her all at the same time without being offensive in the slightest is equal parts hilarious and impressive to me lol
Well, to be honest that’s the way it’s supposed to be. I’m not a fan of cancelling people completely for stupidity, nobody is born perfect and we all act stupid sometimes, but calling people out on their mistakes while also recognizing they still have good qualities is both an act of justice and empathy because you’re pointing out their mistakes while also giving them the chance to rethink what they said and redeem themselves. I hope Lana gets the message instead of acting all defensive.
@@silverco2560 exactly. Wish more people could understand that. Everytime someone gets cancelled people start acting all high and mighty as if they never made a mistake.
“The kind of woman who says no but men hear yes...” “That’s not a kind of woman, that’s a kind of MAN.” I can not tell you how much hope I have for the future hearing a young man say that. ❤️
It’s talking about her self esteem and her not saying how she truly feels. She lets men use her and she doesn care. There’s a lot of depth to her statement actually. But looking at it on the surface is interesting also
also as someone whos been studying feminist movements for years i hate how shes acting like no feminist has ever advocated for more traditionally feminine women to be treated with respect and dignity when feminists HAVE advocated for these women. she doesnt understand that feminism isnt about rejecting traditional femininity, but about rejecting the idea that femininity is inferior to masculinity and giving agency for women (and everyone) to choose how they want to perform their gender identity without being ostracized. she doesnt understand feminism at all which is even more infuriating.
i don’t think she’s talking about what feminism as an idea may stand for but how many feminists perceive women like her just take a quick scroll through this comment section and you’ll see many people invalidating her personality and demeanor as the result of the patriarchy and self deprecating
@@bluewescott4631 whether or not shes talking about how people who claim to be feminists perceive her, or feminism, she's still very ill-informed because if she took the time to sat down and talk to people who do actual feminist work, she would know that feminism does advocate for her as well, and that feminists aren't criticizing her for her traditional femininity, but rather the way she talks of other women and feminism as well. also idk i dont see many comments like those. the ones that i do see criticize her for her "not like other girls" behavior, which again isnt a criticism of her personality, buy rather how she thinks her personality is somehow above others.
@@pterocardio i think that even if that’s the intent of the movement the amount of supporters who do not recognize and support that intent is great enough to where it has been erased in every impactful way and even though true feminists accept all women, the bulk of the movement, which is like all movements made up of people who don’t think for themselves (not that feminism is wrong, just that people repeat opinions and don’t form them), makes it so that the impact of the movement and it’s rhetoric does not accept traditional femininity
@@bluewescott4631 while i agree that there will always be people who dont understand what feminism stands for who skew the principles of the movement, i do not believe that is the majority. my issue with lana del rey's perspective of feminism and feminists is even early on she has excluded herself from the conversation, claiming that she'd much rather study the universe than feminism when she was asked about it. she has the privilege to exclude herself from feminist conversations and now she is claiming that women like her have no space in the feminist movement. she's very privileged and yet she posits herself as lacking in it simply because she is traditionally feminine, and that's really the crux of the criticism of many feminists towards her. and every time she gets criticized for it, she considers it as an attack towards her femininity.
I was living under a rock for a full week where I did nothing but binge watch shows and the second I come back it's days into america rioting, lana and doja clowning around, anonymous exposing celebrities. I'm so scared and confused but at least I have this video now ig?
Lucy Autumncamp So far, they’ve exposed Trump for pedophilia, revealed the emails of the cops in Minnesota, and hacked the radio to play F*ck the Police
D’Angelo is really the king of “Treat Yo Self” no matter how much RUclips hates long breaks. I’m glad! I’m glad. I’d rather have him take care of himself at the expense of his upload schedule instead of Vice Versa
Seeing at the point of feminism is that women are all judged, put against each other, taught to hate ourselves and our bodies etc, it shocks me that people get mad when a woman expresses she feels misunderstood. The whole “I’m not like other girls” thing makes no sense me personally, because while I can’t relate, I understand that some women/people feel genuinely different and outcasted by society. But once they actually embrace that difference and label themselves as “weird”, people genuinely ATTACK them for saying it. They often aren’t trying to say that they’re above other women. It’s just that people made THEM feel that they were different and isolated. I don’t get it...
she posted this at like 4 in the morning so its like a midnight tangent. so im positive that she posted this from her phone and went to bed immediately aftet
I'm getting real elitist vibes from her. The way she talks about herself and her views, it has a cringey superiority complex air to it. Ironic givin her past, you'd think she'd be more understanding.
@@cheyennegottler974 just because her family was wealthy doesn’t mean she didn’t have it financially bad. If her family helped her while she was a teen she wouldn’t have lived in a trailer that she paid for by herself.
Gabe she's struggled a lot in her life :( i went to one of her concerts and she got really emotional and talked about some of the things she's been through. i don't agree with some of the things she said but i really feel for her as a person.
You can’t cancel anyone and I believe Deangelo knows that. She’s still making videos, she’s still getting support today, right now. She’s not canceled.
DylanTanner but she HAS almost subscribers and lost support and respect from others. that was kinda the goal, to make an exposé about her shitty lifestyle choices.
DylanTanner well onision was ***technically*** cancelled. He used to be one of youtubes biggest names now no one knows him unless they were alive before he was pushed into obscurity.
@@SameerHameedy Onision managed to stay on You Tube waaaaaaay longer than most YTers who are never "cancelled". It took years and years to get Onision and he is actually on only fans now apparently. None of these people actually get cancelled.
It's true, but I think he didn't think Shallon was going to get canceled because he honestly thought no one cared. Shallon has been on youtube for an awful long time and only had a few hundred thousand subscribers. The thing is, I think Shallon's reach over the years has been bigger than it looks on the outside. She's so harsh that I think a lot of people quickly subscribed and unsubscribed from her because she's actually the worst. If she weren't such a terrible person, I think with how well spoken she is and how hyped she gets people she would probably have at least a couple million behind her. So when he made that video, all of the hundreds of thousands of people that have watched her before were like, "Called it...I knew something was wrong with her."
when lana said the third wave feminist movement was coming, that's when I knew she was stuck living in the 1960s ... we are IN the fourth wave right now 🤦♀️
She talks about the other artists like they don’t deal with criticism. They made songs about controversial topics and became popular, yes, but you did too Lana.
@@Css636 it is not antifeminist, it is acknowledging the way feminism has often excluded women of color such that an entirely separate movement for gender equality was created to be intersectional and inclusive (womanism). feminism has always had space for white women, and lana is deluding herself into believing otherwise.
@@softjams4951 umm if you look into actual feminism it has included women of color and trans women but the reason we have BLM and movements like that because racism includes black men and feminism is to fight against injustices towards women and no matter what the journey of a trans women and biological women are gonna be different and they are most definitely included in LGBTQ movement with others who have shared similar journeys but I get your point for sure 😊totally off topic but Latinos we need a movement cuz be be excluded outta everything when we get racism as well Yeah that’s just my take on it ✨💕 #BLM #FEMINISM #LATINOPRIDE
@@Kk-lq9yl feminism itself can include trans women and woc but, it's history has constantly been excluding them. For example, Susan b Anthony who is considered one of the main runners in first wave feminism didn't really care if woc received the right to vote.
I was willing to consider forgiving her until she came, yet again, for another black woman FKA. On top of that FKA is a renaissance artist. She puts just as much time into her shit as Lana and is just as much of an "outsider". Once can be a mistake but twice? and doubling down? Pshawww
@@millymartin7191 FKA's pole work literally makes me cry it's so moving! Lana's 5 seconds on the pole for one music video invoked 0 emotion in me lmao. she needs to leave other women's names out of her mouth and hop off her high horse. but she won't 🙄
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As a white woman, it genuinely made me uncomfortable to hear her say "feminism needs a space for women like me". Her comments come from such a childish woe is me place and not as a comment about it. These 7 women she's mentioned have empowered women so much.
Her comment isnt about race though, take off the identity politics goggles that you Americans love to wear 24/7. She is talking about women who are traditionally 'feminine, girly, soft, etc. Ignoring ethnicity completely, her vibe is so different from someone like Cardi B or even Beyonce. And I'm not talking about skin colour. Presentation and aesthetic matters to our perception of people. We're obviously going to perceive Lana in a different way to Cardi B given that the latter is overtly sexual in her image and lyrics and shaking her ass, sticking tongue out and so on. Obviously Lana knows she is a pretty girl, but she doesnt use her sexually in an aggressive manner like a lot of POC women artists do. More softer less assertive women like her tend to get a bit undermined by the industry and by feminists. That is what she is referring to. And I mean, define empowering? Its not a one size fits all thing. Is WAP empowering? Not to a lot of women it's not! Alot of people find it gross, quite frankly.
@@harrypike5140 if it's not about race then why did you mention POC creators specifically? This is exactly the point. You can comment on every person on here complaining but I'm assuming that you aren't a woman and can't actually understand what makes a woman feel empowered. Women can be empowered by anything and you're a moron if you're gonna sit here and say that they can't. And also someone like Lizzo is definitely a person who empowers women. Beyonce also. this isn't identity politics it's a statement of her blatantly using POC women to push an agenda that there's not more "soft" women. It's offensive and hurtful to those women and to all the women in the space. Also fuck off bringing up WAP. It's the first thing men go to to say women are "whores" and it's not empowering. Maybe, just maybe, women appreciate songs about their sexual experience that isn't just from the male perspective.
@@harrypike5140 traditional ideas of femininity in America are very tied to whiteness. Black women have historically been perceived as aggressive, overtly sexual, and even incapable of feeling real pain. Lana's image relies in part on her race, and that's not her fault, but the way that she's acting in this situation does have unfortunate parallels to white women using victimhood as a weapon.
@@rampagingrexy7202 go off, coomer. WAP, Lizzo and Cardi B are all gross. If you genuinely feel empowered by a song about wet vaginas then you need to look in the mirror tbh. It's not about gender. It's equally as cringe if a man was saying that a song with lyrics about hard penises is empowering to men. It's not. It's crude and immature. You can express your sexuality without nonsense like that. Better yet, be Sexual in your private life and not in everyone's faces.. Me not being a woman makes no difference to my ability to determine what's objectively a good female role model or not. The same as you would be able to tell men that some of their role models are not good.
As someone whos first language isn't English I thought I was having a stroke reading her declarations. At least now I know it was a crazy confusing statement from the start lmao
also lana, a white woman, saying that "delicate" women like her are criticized more and directly contrasting herself to a list of majority black women, who are seen as indelicate/more mature/sexually mature at a much younger age is kind of??????????
Why is everything about race nowadays. I swear americans are obsessed with it. Her criticism was about their lyrics, their skin color had nothing to do with it.
@@teencrisis4750 Did you unironically say that race is not talked about enough? Look I don't think it's bad to talk about race, in fact I think it is necessary, but her comments had nothing to do with it. She did not mention these artists for their skin color but for the content of their lyrics.
I completely understand her point on delicate feminine women who are completely shunned by the feminist community but by comparing them to black strong female artist was definitely NOT the way to go. There are women out there who are very submissive and soft spoken and modest yet are told by feminists that they are bad and shouldn't be that way.
We shouldn't applaud men for thinking of us as people and not objects. Yes, it's good he thinks like this, but it should not be this big of a deal to be a decent person
The stupidest part of her statement is that she was acting like women who sing about sex and stuff don't get critisiced? They 100% do. And submissive, feminine women have always been the societal norm and more accepted. So it just doesn't make any sense. All female creators are going to get critisiced just because they take up space and are women.
And the fact that she is whining about being criticized about singing about her experiences when many of those artists she's listed sing about their experiences. I'm sorry Lana that sad girl vibes are your life but just like how your experiences are valid so are those of strippers, so are those of druggies, so are those of toxic relationships that thrive on sex. Don't invalidate another women's experience of being in the streets and stripping for money when that's what their story is and say that oh they're super popular for talking about sex when I'm trying to talk about real shit. It's very hypocritical to say the least.
yh I was thinking the same thing there is literally no artist that hasnt been criticised. People have been bashing Jennifer Lopez and Shakira for their "sexual" performance last year and literally turned off the TV. Female artists singing about sex are somehow still seen as controversial and boundary crossing, which in itself is pretty sad to me, considering how many male artists have been able to sing about getting laid for decades by now. How often any artist is slut shamed no matter what outfit they were. Megan and Nicki have been slammed so often as if their music will turn girls into sex demons or sth. But sure, Lana is the only one who has ever been criticised of anything.
Agustín Baletti Where have you been? The most mainstream form of feminism is lead by white cis women. For example black women made their own branch called Womanism because white feminists often neglect how pale skin colour and European features give them an edge even if overall women are treated badly.
I don't know about you but there is an entire branch of feminism that views women as a collective and therefore any decision a woman makes puts women down as a class. So to these people a woman singing about a traditionally feminine role is putting other women down. This is what happens when people don't think their ideologies through. Liberal feminism is more about individual choice, yes, but second wave and radical feminism is about women as a collective. That's why nobody bat an eye when Lorde said that Lana's music is unhealthy for young women or every music critic I watched said that she's a bad "representation" for women. Don't be so superficial when she said "look" like me the last thing that came to mind was her physical appearance. Stay at home moms often express that they are being judged really harshly mostly by other women.
I really don't appreciate her stereotyping of what a feminist is. Don't worry Lana, most of what you said in this statement makes it clear you aren't a feminist even if you say your "not not a feminist".
@@almamater489 yes but like she's talking about it as if feminine and delicate women are oppressed by society any more than any other type of women which like...nah lol
Lana del day really went "everyone is just jealous because I'm sexually liberated" right after criticizing other artists for making music about sexual topics 💅
Criticizing? Or comparing, praising and calling out for the same treatment? You are what you attract. It's just funny how you just chose to be an idiot.
@@fatimattaiwo3940 Hunty, she dealt with a lot of things compared to Ariana and Camila. She had no shortcuts. Inform yourself. And let's not talk how she's been robbed of many awards just because she was only what she was intended to be. A singer, not a political activist suiting any kind of political narrative. Something Americans seem to have forgotten is possible.
"'the kind of woman who says no and men hear yes', that's not a kind of woman, that's a kind of man" that is when i smashed that subscribe button, hard.
because nobody wants to hear your sad music lanie, if you want a number 1, make music that sounds like something that is more celebrated by the GP 😭 get more popular, and then maybe collab with one of those girls you called out, if theyd still give you a chance. Thats the answer, period.
She lacks the rangeeee. Shes washed up, old news. She cant stand that everyone moved on from their 2014 tumblr phase. Everyone except her- shes too old for this mess
I didn’t get why she also had to drag anyone, if she wanted to complain she wasn’t getting plays she should have just said so instead of making it political. Like bitch bye 🥴
As a Lana fan. I just " LOVE “ how she made a video clip and song with Ariana and then she bashed her for having sexual songs. That’s great. Such a mature person. 😑
Lana also used to have sexual songs, she wasn’t bashing them. She was questioning why they were allowed to continue what they were doing without being slammed by critics.
@@fionnrex9513 he meant that in like a consent setting, because it's more often than not a man who doesn't listen to what a woman wants. by saying "the kind of woman" is putting the blame on women for men who are at fault for taking a no for a yes. hope that helps
I think also ”fragility” is her way of saying that she often identifies strongly with literary children. “ Were gonna party like it’s 1949. Were in the Chevrolet from July to July, gonna see it all before he says goodbye. Every man deserves to see the sunrise.” Essentially I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with her being called out for anti-feminist rhetoric, because she shows support for statutory rape in four songs: mildly in off to the races, with the Humbert line “ light of my life fire of my loins,” and more aggressively in 1949, Lollita, and the song I quoted before Every Man Gets His Wish.
I'm a fan of Lana and I'm still soaking in all this tea.. my mind is teetering on the notion of separating the art from the artist or outright cancel. Either way I can never hear her music again without this hiccups ringing in the background
Exactly!! She’s finding the correlation between the things they talk about but honestly the reason they’re mainstream and she isn’t is simply because Lana’s music is not pop, super catchy, high tempo, etc
It's not about genre, it was about the topics that are acceptable to sing about as a women. The things she sings about are empowering her, same way that all the singers she mentioned have their "empowering" style.
interesting how she didn’t mention billie eilish who makes similar music to her - who she actually lost a grammy to and has surpassed her in popularity despite being in the industry for 10 minutes.
@@Gee-xb7rt There's nothing wrong with being unsure about identifying as a feminist, and it doesn't mean it's passive-aggressive. The feminist movement in general has gained a reputation for being toxic because of the bad people in it who've twisted its message. Most people DO believe in equality but don't put labels on themselves because they don't want to be associated with a whole movement and all the controversies that come with it. I go to an all-girls school, few people use the label 'feminist' but of course we believe in equal rights.
Caoise Kawayan so fuck black lives matter too because of their toxic vocal minority right? Even tho they just advocate for equality too? Lana was over generalizing a group that advocates for her and people like her. She is just pissed that people don’t always enjoy her usual “moan and groan” about petty issues in her music. But she can’t act like she invented her genre and can just put down a bunch of women and basically call feminists masculine, and then be like “I didn’t say anything wrong gosh”, she’s the embodiment of privileged white girl, spewing garbage out of her mouth like she can get away with it (because she’s a privileged white girl) and that’s why people are not happy with what she said
she seems a little bit like the type of outdated white feminist that wants to profite from feminism and feels like shes treated unfairly when she isnt. i get being bashed for your sexualitiy or your lyrics is horrible and definitely sexist and i wholeheartedly agree. but she acts like shes the only one or that she has it the worst, when in fact it isnt a competition in the first place (and it isnt - there may be different levels to discrimination, I mean a black woman would definitely have more disadvantages in life than her as a white woman). just, comparing the hatred/pain/criticism you faced because of your gender to other women, wording it that way? problematic af. not to mention that she kinda proved that she doesnt know much about feminism apart from the ways it would directly effect her anyways.
this is very well-worded comment! i couldn’t have said it better myself. i don’t think a lot of white women realize that whenever they are speaking about issues of inequality or sexism, or whatever it is- THEY ARE WHITE BEFORE THEY ARE ANYTHING ELSE. you are a WHITE woman fighting for feminism, you are a WHITE woman talking about your sexuality. it’s different. when lana sings a song most people can understand how it feels like to be in that position but it’s not the same for artists like mitski and sza. there is only so much a white person can empathize with songs from mitski and sza, because although they are talking about not feeling good enough to men, feeling like their efforts are unappreciated to society, they feel that way as women of color- something white women will never understand.
Raise your hand if you're the crazy neolib in the room? Of course we have to bring race into it, even though it literally has nothing at all to do with race...a north korean woman in north korea has it way worse than a black woman in the United States, in general, but seriously...what is your fucking point? The mental gymnastics you people go through to link everything to race, imaginary privilege and quite literally made up intersectionality must be exhausting...unless you're just one of the dumb ass "woke" playing follow the leader who doesn't even understand what your own terminology actually means, which is about 98% of you. Lana is popular with women everywhere because there's a very primitive undertone of the relations between men and women that most artists are unable to articulate. Since she lays it out on the table without man bashing, it's just not feminist enough for you. For a culture of inclusion, and by that I mean your liberalism AND feminism...you people sure are quick to point out when someone is too white or not quite feminist (or should I say angry) enough for your liking. You neolibs are the most close-minded, exclusionary group of jerk offs that have ever existed. You spend an awful lot of time congratulating yourselves for being "woke" while being so ridiculous that it's impossible to imagine any real change could come of any of it. You guys have done so much damage by preaching to extremes and socially castrating anyone who doesn't live up to you that YOU have driven real progress back 50 years. Normal people have no choice but to dig in and resist because you don't want meaningful change, you want your BS dogma. People like you are the reason I now lean conservative after 22 years of voting blue. Congrats on destroying yourselves from within.
@@leannemalone7496 thankyou for saying this .... As for this chick, it would do her good to know that the woman she thinks is outdated, the woman who profits off feminism is very much alive these days in the form of many celebrities. These celebrities have all good and calculated things to say so maybe that's what these people want. Take the example of Taylor swift. God third wave feminism was a mistake.
@@vasudhabhandari8431 I'm honestly so sick of all this identity politics and sjw bs...if everyone doesn't fit into a neat little box, these people lose there fucking minds.
The “strong women” that she talks about are mainly advocating for women and girls to stand up for themselves and feel empowered, NOT for them to become less vulnerable and emotional.
I feel like she's trying so hard to talk about and simplify the harsh and radical side of feminism. The side that will change every cute feminine character into a short haired punk. I'm not a feminist but I don't see how feminists are bringing ppl like her down. Alot of feminists have a straight mind and alot of them support all types of women.
@@RuminatingRaptor there are many different types of feminists, the radical side is one of them and it really scares me sometimes, especially in my country xd they think that if you are feminine, you are serving patriarchy and things like that, really profound if you think. I think the same thing that this guy, but compare incels with Lana del Rey is a reeeeeally deep shit
The fact that a small “delicate” straight white woman says there’s no place in femenism for her is ridiculous, femenism isn’t to eradicate women wanting to be a housewife, you can still want to be a housewife, femenism is to give people a CHOICE, if they don’t want to be a housewife in simple terms. My god,
Lol. Don't act like the modern wave of feminism doesn't demonise and scoff at traditional femininity and women who are more submissive or who want to be housewives. They're told they have 'ingrained misogyny', told that that real feminity is making your own money and being strong and on your hustle. Just look at all the representation of feminism and femininity in modern pop culture and mass media. It's the 30 something wine-drinking millennial who don't need no man and sleeps around and explores herself and listens to W.A.P. There are whole subreddits dedicated to making fun on traditional women's RUclips channels like Mrs Midwest. So don't be disingenuous by saying that feminism isn't about pushing out women who want to be traditionally feminine, because in today's age it absolutely is. I say this as a boyfriend to a woman who experienced all of that just because she wanted a more traditional lifestyle
I'm so confused by what she means when she says "fragile" and "delicate". Does it imply that soft-spoken women are emotionally deeper than other women? How do you classify yourself as fragile? Does it imply past trauma? How can you assume you are more "fragile" than other people?
Yeah I also wish she elaborated what on earth that means. She keeps using those two words but doesn’t go on to say what that means. Like what is she even TRYING to say....
Anonim Anonim But most women aren’t like that 100% of the time. Beyonce gave us “Love Drought” and “Best Thing I Never Had” and “Irreplaceable” and “Ring the Alarm” Most women aren’t 1D fragile and delicate or strong and independent. There are layers that LDR didn’t acknowledge.
I think she perceives herself as a deep, thoughtful, melancholy artist in a sea of vapid, hyper-sexual, obnoxious, fake-confident pop divas, and that feminism is just Lizzo shaking her ass and Ariana singing about her exes. I think her shallow understanding of feminism, and maybe her reluctance to confront the actual tenets or history of feminism, turns her away from it and makes her uncomfortable when people want to hold her to the standards she hasn't bothered to/wanted to ingest and learn. I think she'd rather not think too hard about it, and when she does try to make a point regarding feminism, she ends up retreading ground that feminists have actually already covered. She'd know that if she cared to educate herself.
Summary: she thinks she’s better than every else because she’s “not like other pop stars (girls)” and no one can tell her anything because ignorance is bliss and she thinks she’s better than everyone else.
This is why feminism gets a bad rep: because Lana did one of the very things that feminism has been accused of promoting but actually doesn’t; Lana brought herself up by bringing down 7 other artists who had nothing to do with what she was trying to say. She did have some good points, but it’s hard to get around the fact that she threw a handful of people under the bus. She’s super talented; why does she need to start controversy like this?
Also, she's there waiting for the third wave of feminism? Any day now.....any day, it'll be here Someone get Lana on the phone, I have some exciting news
She seems like one of those people who try making their situation seem worse. “Oh, you’re tired because you slept 5 hours? Well... I slept 3 hours” “you don’t like your cousins? Mine tried killing me in my sleep”
@Milo S Thank you for clarifying that! I was kind of seeing it from the angle of gatekeeping because my thought process was "they're attempting to gatekeep the ability to complain because they have had it worse". I do agree that one-upmanship is a bit more spot on in that regard. Thank you for introducing that term to me (':
@@3starsburningbright you have truman and PTSD? MY GOLDFISH KILLED MY DOG WITH A LEAF AND I WAS THROWN OUT OF NY NEIGHBOUR'S KENNEL (Sorry if you actually have those by the way😔)
Lmao I just can’t fall for her “you’re misinterpreting me” bullshit. She’s making a whole album, coming out with books and literally claiming she’s the best at what she does. If that’s the case, Miss Lana, you should be able to appropriately convey a normal statement to the public. And I’m an actual fan of hers, I loved Lana’s aesthetic and “sad girl” vibes. I related to her until she made it clear she lives in her own world and has no idea what accountability means.
"I'm a writer first" she says but this woman can't convey a single thought without it ending up convoluted and borderline offensive. it's getting harder and harder to defend any of her actions anymore. and I was / am a fan too, I'm just too ashamed to admit it anymore. most of her stans make me embarrassed to support her behavior, no matter how much I may enjoy her art. blind support isn't healthy, being held accountable is. and like you said she lives in her own world and clearly doesn't want to take responsibility for anything she says or does. she'll still make millions at the end of the day regardless. 🙄
Oh, well, i tend to wonder if the artists we admire, especially the more delicate/sensitive, are able to create what they do because they are in their world 🤔 perhaps, maybe elements. Idk, maybe one has nothing to do with the other, but i know pieces ive created that i respect mightve been created do to that just ponderin
@@raquelvalladolid532 shes a song artist, a poet not an investigative journalist or PR manager. What is with the younger generation and the internet, expectations blown completely out
When you're a wealthy, musically talented, privileged artist sitting on near legendary status, but you're just itching to get cancelled across all social media in the light of a world wide meltdown in 2020: Lana Del Rey:
If nothing else, she's incredibly self-centered. People were attempting to point out her ignorance about how she came across and she replied with a bunch of "I's and "me"s.
I agree, I think she is ignorant & willfully so. Perhaps her mental health problems are clouding her judgement but her inability to reflect, listen to more information & consider other peoples views is stunted & nieve to say the least.
she really called herself "the type of woman who says no and men hear yes" as if only 'delicate' women get assaulted... that phrasing in general is so gross too like men aren't confused or misunderstanding, they hear no just fine and purposefully choose to ignore it
@@parkchimmin7913 no kidding. Also consider that, it doesn't take you being "delicate" or "glamorous" to have certain men try to take advantage of you. Every implication in her statement is abhorrent.
@@aquarium105 the fourth wave is basically the stiff that's been happening in the latter half of the 2010s, like the me too movement, the women's march, etc., there's also been a push for more intersectionality and inclusion in feminism, like being more inclusive of trans women, queer women, women of colour, and other marginalised groups of women.
right?! it kinda feels like she confuses feminism with sexism or something?! "a place for someone [like her] who is feminine and fragile" (or what she said, that made her incompatible with feminists)... well, that sounds like feminism..?
I get the feeling she's not big on reading or just the lightest of all research. The public school system has failed us. Unless she went to a private school paid for by her rich parents. I could see that without really looking it up. EDIT: Yep, St. Agnes, all girl private college prep school. Typical upper class white woman.
Let's introduce her to classic literature - I'm not sure if that's the name since English is not my first language but I hope you know what I mean? As in all the books from many years ago about sad women because of the man they loved?
Why does she feel the need to put “strong” woman as something that she isn’t? Being very feminine, and delicate or wanting to stay at home does not mean you are weak. If you consider yourself weaker than others bc of that, then that’s putting women down again, except in this case you’re putting women like yourself down. And honestly what she’s doing of putting down other types of women to put women like herself up...that’s not feminism, it’s toxic femininity, which is to put down other women because of inner misogyny. (I’ve said the words “women” and “putting down” WAY too many times lol)
As long as you are yourself what is the difference? Differentiating between types of females is the same as differentiating between males. We are all humans and we all can and should be who we feel we are at our core.
Yeh that’s sad us women should stick together as sisters And idk why I have to say this but some people yah know I’m not saying stick together to hate on men just to clear that up smh
Bc she's bitter. She took the safe route by being "delicate" and "passive" bc it's the most marketable, and yet other women went the opposite direction by going after "self-empowerment" and being "unapologetically aggressive & raunchy" yet still found success. She wants to take them down a notch bc she feels like it's not fair that these women are getting awards, breaking charts, sustaining radio play, etc. while her so-called "marketable image" is outdated. Envy is poison, everytime she drinks it, you can see that haterade spewing back up her throat and out her mouth with vitriol. She's a sad woman who has 0 self-awareness.
@Noah Ball yeah i get that but she was comparing them with her to make herself look better in a sense because she's more "feminine" and "soft", i could be wrong but that's how i felt
Noah Ball she literally dragged them down by saying that “unlike them”, who sing about sex and stuff, aka unserious stuff, she writes about being embodied and having beautiful relationships, aka serious stuff. lana always gets shit ton of criticism for the music she makes and so has all the rights to speak out about that, but instead of exposing journalists and magazines who are the main problem she name dropped other women (including ariana, whom she had collaborated with), which was awkward and only showed her self-centered personality. she could’ve worded it a different way, really.
Lana Fans when they still can't accept that Lana is problematic and keeps on finding loopholes and excuses for her tone deaf behavior because she's just the 'aesthetic' quirky it girl that can't do no wrong and then easily gets offended by someone's own opinion: 😱🤨🤬😤
This is gonna sound so ironic. I or we I guess, never said she wasnt problematic. Every celeb has done some f8cked up shit, and no one is ever right. Im just saying, i genuinely dont think shes a bad person. I met her, shes kind, shes nice and yes she has a horrible way of expressing her opinions but that doesnt mean shes not entitled to her own opinion. Being aesthetic and "quirky" like that is her image, so it makes sense she would try to maintain that, dont you agree?
36:57 the fact that she doesn't recognize that others are going through poverty, loss of their jobs, etc adds even more to the idea that she isn't aware of all the problems that others are facing right now.
"The kind of woman that says no but men say yes" is EVERY woman. I dont know why lana believes that "strong feminist women" are immune from rape and sexism because they absolutely are not.
If anything, the reason why they are “strong feminist women” is BECAUSE of sexism and rape, let alone “strong feminist” WOC. Like, Lana.....you have to do better hun...
Black Knight Fool Broski sorry to break to ya but I'm straight and not feminist and is still realizing she was wrong for what she said some people have leadership qualities and some people don't those people who have leadership qualities tend to get farther in life so I don't understand why she is whining because she isn't getting "success" what she is saying doesn't make sense because because she has plenty of fame and money, and doesn't need to be at the top to be successful
She really tried to make it sound like she was admiring the artists she listed... she reduced their music to such superficial concepts, and even if it’s true, she juxtaposed herself as clearly better because she wasn’t singing about those same topics but instead was berated for singing about being a “delicate” (ugh the over usage of that word I cringe) woman. She really said I’m better because I don’t show off my body. Just let women do what they want. Ultimately I do think feminism is different for everyone because it’s about empowering women in however they feel comfortable with. No one said she has to be “strong,” but it is obviously a popular way for women to empower themselves right now because women have been forced or expected to be “delicate” and “fragile” for so many centuries as Lana describes herself. She can be a feminist in her passive and domestic self, but she shouldn’t bash other women for feeling sexually liberated in how they express themselves. She really has a superiority complex... I do like her music though. She just needs to understand that no one really cares about “making space” for “fragile women” in feminism because that’s been so widely accepted for so long. It’s not something women have had to fight for. But again, she can do whatever and be however she wants because if that’s what makes her feel comfortable and empowered so be it.
"women have been forced or expected to be “delicate” and “fragile” for so many centuries as Lana describes herself." Except this is only the case for white women(like Lana). Black women have always been forced to be the "strong Black woman" who relies on no one but herself and doesn't have any emotions or vulnerability. It is also used to masculinize us because being strong is associated with masculinity due to sexism and it is used to say that Black women don't deserve to be treated with gentleness or kindness like other(namely white) women. So for Lana to label herself as more delicate and contrast herself with "stronger" women who "show off their body" and name majority Black women to do that, is incredibly racist and anti-feminist. You can be soft and feminine without being weak but in Lana's case she is just using that to uphold her white femininity and attack Black women by dismissing them, pigeonholing them, and stereotyping them.
she plugged those unnamed “Native American charities” like she’s saving us natives “out of the goodness of her heart”. Super Lana to the rescue of delicate women! 🙄
as a long time Lana fan, she clearly has some insecurities that she needs to deal with. she sees the hate comments and that's ALL she sees. her assuming that she has no one supporting her is so.. so tragic..
@@StRanGerManY its what we hate but then we also love about her 😂 dammit It also shows that her song writing are actually real and not completely ghost written. Oh well, she’s a lil disconnected to reality, and im not mad 😑 but kinda sad, also kinda loving it.
i remember hearing her songs in my brothers room throughout the night into the early summer morning and her songs make me so nostalgic. she has such a positive place in people's lives and the fact that she doesn't see that and only sees negativity is sad
"the issue was with female critics and female alternative artists *who are dissociated from their own fragility and sexuality* and berate *more sexually liberated* artists like myself".... wot. I still like her music but the lady is kinda delusional
Lana del rey: brings other female artists dowb because they sing about sex and other more sexually explicit content Also Lana del rey: it's not my fault these women aren't as sexually free as I am! Pick one sis
she sings really well 🧚✨ for someone so tone-deaf
That take seems pretty extreme bro
Watch out before the stans murder you
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dangelowallace mhm
i love how you weren’t bashing on Lana but still calling her out when she’s in the wrong, it was nice you weren’t biased. love the video.
And that's why he's a king and also why we love him
Ur saying that like he bashes everyone else and this is a one in a lifetime thing
a k i n g
Black Knight Fool what
exactly. that’s why he’s one of my favorite s
“That’s not a kind of woman, that’s a kind of man “.
This right here is the kind of reasoning that makes me so glad for your content. You literally rock
D'Angelo be drinking all his respect women juice faithfully everyday 😔✊
Yes. He gives me hope in the future. I'm in my 30s, and love his channel because he uses critical thinking. Very smart young man.
Yes!! I am so thankful he said that in exactly that way. It’s really refreshing to hear a man say that.
Yeah, the moment she said there should be a place in feminism for women who "say no but mean yes" I was like "oh, so you mean feminism should accommodate women too insecure in their sexuality, agency and desires to state what they want by reinforcing the dangerous and harmful belief that even when women explicitly state someone's sexual advances aren't welcome they secretly are, so no harm done?"
She's got some audacity dubbing herself a "strong woman" and that "she paved the way" when she can't even admit what she wants to her partner lol. Saying that feminism should support this line of thinking really just outs her as someone whose comments on feminism and women's issues shouldn't be taken seriously as she's clearly talking from a place of ignorance. How out-of-touch does she have to be to not realize that the kind of "woman" she's describing is opposed to feminism's ideas of valuing women's words and reclaiming female sexuality? Her brand of "womanhood"- and by that I mean solely her "say no but mean yes" part of it, not traditional femininity nor submissive role- never was and never will be morally okay. Her thinking that "a new/3rd wave of feminism will come" (ayyyy lmao, I'm second-hand embarrassed on her behalf at this point) in which this is acceptable, is just another indication of her talking out of her ass while trying to look informed.
This was likely just a publicity stand so I don't wanna waste too much time talking about it. I just think it's genuinely hilarious that she gets butthurt over people telling her that she's regressive then wonders what's wrong with feminism for not endorsing her "I say no but I mean yes" bs that is frequently used as an excuse for sexual assault and rape. It's a statement that's lacking self-awareness so much that it's brilliant.
Oh and D'Angelo's a doll for voicing that, and voicing it so briefly yet accurately.
As a new sub AGREED
"If a woman says no and a man hears yes, that's not a type of woman, that's a type of man..."
Thank you. We need more people to think like this. Then maybe there wouldn't be so much victim blaming.
Honestly, if he lived in my area, was my age, and is this thought out about everything, I’d pull a Utah and be married to him in a month. He’s very responsible, compassionate, and kind.
Mango Overlord “pull a UTAH” AHHH
Maybe being intentionally obtuse/goal post shifting by bringing your "words say no but voice says yes" concept is actually just having a screwy sense of flirtation yourselves? I never once had a moment where I acted on something that the woman did not word-for-word verbally commit to and things worked just fine! It's necessary or important to you do play these games, such that you'd defend it online? hmm
@wings of a butterfly No means no. If you had no interest with someone but they kept pushing themselves onto you, thats harrassment. It's people like you who pressure people into having sex/relationships with you with your constant begging, bitching and moaning.
@wings of a butterfly LDR can hardly be considered "original" for discussing the 'no means yes' trope. The writer Colette immediately comes to mind. Her short stories look at different sides of that trope: its destructiveness, its nuance, possibly pleasures, and the consequences.
That this young man can intelligently discuss different templates placed onto members of society and reflect back the idea that most often the man is placing his designs on the woman is at least worthy of discussion. Certainly the idea that LDR might be a bird in a cage she doesn't know exists would be next level as well. Or she might simply be flirtatious as you say...or even the mistress devising all this, a puppet master. That's still not terribly original, but perhaps interesting. Madonna thought it was fun 20+ years ago.
However, to dismiss the reality that so many women deal with unwanted attention under the guise of "no means yes" as the crabbing of sjw's is far too pat. You seem far too intelligent to miss that.
the whole point of feminism is that every woman is accepted and has equal rights to men
No shit
Thanks sherlock
Unless you're not feminist enough. Then you're just cancelled by the super open and inclusive group of neolibs.
Shit I would of never guessed
thats what they say but thats not what they actually stand for, they dont want equal rights at all, they want to be the dominant sex, but they are deluded and ruin tv shows and movies, star wars was ruined because they let feminazis in
I never have a single clue about the topics D’Angelo talks about, yet he gets me so invested.
Ikr, 2 hours ago I'd never even heard of Shallon Lester
same omg
slushpuppie19 Lmaoo
Lmao same
Me too!!
The way he dragged her, shaded her, appreciated her, supported her and exposed her all at the same time without being offensive in the slightest is equal parts hilarious and impressive to me lol
Well, to be honest that’s the way it’s supposed to be. I’m not a fan of cancelling people completely for stupidity, nobody is born perfect and we all act stupid sometimes, but calling people out on their mistakes while also recognizing they still have good qualities is both an act of justice and empathy because you’re pointing out their mistakes while also giving them the chance to rethink what they said and redeem themselves. I hope Lana gets the message instead of acting all defensive.
toledo 100 agree just need the nice facts and ill decide for myself
@@silverco2560 exactly. Wish more people could understand that. Everytime someone gets cancelled people start acting all high and mighty as if they never made a mistake.
Exactly my thoughts lol. An art form I didn’t know existed but happy to know that it does.
I hope Doja Cat redeems herself too, i love her music
“The kind of woman who says no but men hear yes...” “That’s not a kind of woman, that’s a kind of MAN.”
I can not tell you how much hope I have for the future hearing a young man say that. ❤️
It’s talking about her self esteem and her not saying how she truly feels. She lets men use her and she doesn care. There’s a lot of depth to her statement actually. But looking at it on the surface is interesting also
You really got me when you said this...thank you.
That was ultimate king behaviour
can someone explain the meaning of that sentence to me? i understand the words but not the.... meaning of it (english language barrier maybe ) :/
JYNX I reread it and couldn’t understand it completely either
also as someone whos been studying feminist movements for years i hate how shes acting like no feminist has ever advocated for more traditionally feminine women to be treated with respect and dignity when feminists HAVE advocated for these women. she doesnt understand that feminism isnt about rejecting traditional femininity, but about rejecting the idea that femininity is inferior to masculinity and giving agency for women (and everyone) to choose how they want to perform their gender identity without being ostracized. she doesnt understand feminism at all which is even more infuriating.
i don’t think she’s talking about what feminism as an idea may stand for but how many feminists perceive women like her
just take a quick scroll through this comment section and you’ll see many people invalidating her personality and demeanor as the result of the patriarchy and self deprecating
@@bluewescott4631 whether or not shes talking about how people who claim to be feminists perceive her, or feminism, she's still very ill-informed because if she took the time to sat down and talk to people who do actual feminist work, she would know that feminism does advocate for her as well, and that feminists aren't criticizing her for her traditional femininity, but rather the way she talks of other women and feminism as well. also idk i dont see many comments like those. the ones that i do see criticize her for her "not like other girls" behavior, which again isnt a criticism of her personality, buy rather how she thinks her personality is somehow above others.
@@pterocardio i think that even if that’s the intent of the movement the amount of supporters who do not recognize and support that intent is great enough to where it has been erased in every impactful way and even though true feminists accept all women, the bulk of the movement, which is like all movements made up of people who don’t think for themselves (not that feminism is wrong, just that people repeat opinions and don’t form them), makes it so that the impact of the movement and it’s rhetoric does not accept traditional femininity
@@bluewescott4631 while i agree that there will always be people who dont understand what feminism stands for who skew the principles of the movement, i do not believe that is the majority. my issue with lana del rey's perspective of feminism and feminists is even early on she has excluded herself from the conversation, claiming that she'd much rather study the universe than feminism when she was asked about it. she has the privilege to exclude herself from feminist conversations and now she is claiming that women like her have no space in the feminist movement. she's very privileged and yet she posits herself as lacking in it simply because she is traditionally feminine, and that's really the crux of the criticism of many feminists towards her. and every time she gets criticized for it, she considers it as an attack towards her femininity.
@@pterocardio i can see your perspective and i respect your opinion especially with the part about excluding herself from the convo 👍
I was living under a rock for a full week where I did nothing but binge watch shows and the second I come back it's days into america rioting, lana and doja clowning around, anonymous exposing celebrities. I'm so scared and confused but at least I have this video now ig?
same ngl
Wait who did anonymous expose? I haven’t heard about that yet
Lucy Autumncamp So far, they’ve exposed Trump for pedophilia, revealed the emails of the cops in Minnesota, and hacked the radio to play F*ck the Police
@@whalerus773 where is the source for trump? tried looking it up and found nothing..
utena just look up anonymous on twitter
D’Angelo is really the king of “Treat Yo Self” no matter how much RUclips hates long breaks. I’m glad! I’m glad. I’d rather have him take care of himself at the expense of his upload schedule instead of Vice Versa
You sound like the medieval NPC I would propose marriage to and get rejected by in a video game
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Noah r/rareinsults
Noah who hurt you?
She really did say _"In case you haven't noticed I'm weird I'm a weirdo I don't fit in"_ and I'm not even surprised lmao
fr somebody's stuck in her 2013 tumblr phase 🤪
_Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat? That's weird_
I’m not like other girls....
Seeing at the point of feminism is that women are all judged, put against each other, taught to hate ourselves and our bodies etc, it shocks me that people get mad when a woman expresses she feels misunderstood. The whole “I’m not like other girls” thing makes no sense me personally, because while I can’t relate, I understand that some women/people feel genuinely different and outcasted by society. But once they actually embrace that difference and label themselves as “weird”, people genuinely ATTACK them for saying it. They often aren’t trying to say that they’re above other women. It’s just that people made THEM feel that they were different and isolated. I don’t get it...
Riverdale fans
I'm i the only person who thinks lana looks like a completely different person every time I see her. Like I literally have no clue what she looks like
lol i get what you mean
SAME
Same with Sia or Lady Gaga
Yep last month she was obese and now she is on ozempic
@@helenarichard she was never obese you’re just fat phobic and have a blind understanding of what a healthy weight looks like.
This was the weirdest album announcement ever
LMAO
i didnt even think it was an album i just thought she wanted to speak up lmaoo
Athena Castillo yeah but it’s kinda suspicious that she started promoting her poetry book/ album straight after 🧐
Promotion through controversy was perfected by kanye west 😂😂😂
But she never promotes her albums
“The kind of woman that says no but men hear yes, is not a kind of woman- that’s a kind of MAAAaan.” Bro I loved that, thank you for that. 👏😂
Bobobo Bobo bobo yes! That was my favorite quote in the video, because it's so true.
@Black Knight Fool duder, what are you talking about?
@Black Knight Fool WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO?
@Black Knight Fool Why did you make two accounts? 💀💀Lmaoo Anyway y'all, looking through their comment history on this channel, they're just trolling
i literally played that same part approximately 11 times lol oops 🙈✨😭
dude who tf in her pr team was like “oh yes this is perfect, definitely post this to your social media for millions of people to see 👍”
Moonaichii exactly what I’m thinking, it’s like nobody read this before she posted it...I get what she means but she could have chosen a better way
she posted this at like 4 in the morning so its like a midnight tangent. so im positive that she posted this from her phone and went to bed immediately aftet
Right. Both she and her publicists had massive brain farts
@@camilabarboza3618 I feel like there was a drinking binge, she put the post up, and then went to bed. Ijs.
Action Jackson she’s been sober since she was a teenager. it was just pure emotion and no re-reading before posting 😒
I'm getting real elitist vibes from her. The way she talks about herself and her views, it has a cringey superiority complex air to it. Ironic givin her past, you'd think she'd be more understanding.
Please find a dictionary and realize how to use those words don’t just run with them because u heard them on tiktok.
Tffffff.......no
She was born in a wealthy upstate New York family. She never financially had it bad, lol
@@cheyennegottler974 just because her family was wealthy doesn’t mean she didn’t have it financially bad. If her family helped her while she was a teen she wouldn’t have lived in a trailer that she paid for by herself.
@@ILoveMatcha1 she chose to live in that trailer LMAO
“The kind of woman who says no but men hear yes” REALLY rubbed me the wrong way
God I wish I could "like" this 10 million more times
It did. I'm kind of worried about her
Gabe she's struggled a lot in her life :( i went to one of her concerts and she got really emotional and talked about some of the things she's been through. i don't agree with some of the things she said but i really feel for her as a person.
In that moment I thought about rape for some reason and that really triggered me
@@ziennanoordpool6639 omg girl same
D'Angelo: ive never canceled anyone on my channel
Shallon: 🥴
(Definitely a necessary cancel though...)
You can’t cancel anyone and I believe Deangelo knows that. She’s still making videos, she’s still getting support today, right now. She’s not canceled.
DylanTanner but she HAS almost subscribers and lost support and respect from others. that was kinda the goal, to make an exposé about her shitty lifestyle choices.
DylanTanner well onision was ***technically*** cancelled. He used to be one of youtubes biggest names now no one knows him unless they were alive before he was pushed into obscurity.
@@SameerHameedy Onision managed to stay on You Tube waaaaaaay longer than most YTers who are never "cancelled". It took years and years to get Onision and he is actually on only fans now apparently. None of these people actually get cancelled.
fighting the urge to like and ruin the 666 likes...
the best thing that's happened in 2020 so far:
d'angelo wallace waking up from a month long slumber to bless us with 41 minutes of his voice
No it anoymous coming back
yes
skew_ _bald how do we know that D’Angelo and anonymous are not that same people? Maybe his month hiatus wasn’t actually a slumber.
@@dd4138 omg when dangelo was here anoymous was gone but know that he's gone there back
A month ‼️ it felt longer
She says “Let me be clear” and then makes an extremely ambiguous double negative statement.
"let me be clear"
_did you mean_
"let me be extremely opaque"
“I’ve never canceled anyone before.”
Shallow Lester in the corner like:
👁👄👁
her face actually looks like that sometimes 😂
She canceled herself by existing lolololol
It's true, but I think he didn't think Shallon was going to get canceled because he honestly thought no one cared. Shallon has been on youtube for an awful long time and only had a few hundred thousand subscribers. The thing is, I think Shallon's reach over the years has been bigger than it looks on the outside. She's so harsh that I think a lot of people quickly subscribed and unsubscribed from her because she's actually the worst. If she weren't such a terrible person, I think with how well spoken she is and how hyped she gets people she would probably have at least a couple million behind her. So when he made that video, all of the hundreds of thousands of people that have watched her before were like, "Called it...I knew something was wrong with her."
she cancelled herself
Shallot Lobster canceled herself and she knows it 😬🤷🏻♀️
“That’s not a kind of woman, that’s a kind of man” 👏👏👏
As a Native woman, I have to say, I am getting extremely tired with people using us as their virtue signals.
*Edited for grammar.
What do you mean?
@@anisatammie7048 i think she means that she's tired of people using natives to make themselves seem like good people
As a native, you lost.
@@kanglongshankz3313 Troll, reported.
@@kanglongshankz3313 as a native, stfu
when lana said the third wave feminist movement was coming, that's when I knew she was stuck living in the 1960s ... we are IN the fourth wave right now 🤦♀️
like the third wave finished more than a reasonable time ago to know...
waves ?
lmao she's just a confused time traveller, that's why she addressed this shit all weird
I know right lololololol
seriously!!! I thought the same thing, like where have you been lana? oh shit that's right, in your ivory tower. No wonder she is so out of touch.
She shouldn’t have named names......regardless of their race or anything, she shouldn’t have named names. That was stupid.
cornerdelia agreed
SO STUPID. SO SO SO STUPID. all i have to say is she done goofed.
it was purposeful lmao ended with an album plug, shameless
Snowflakes really want to take away freedom of speech 🤡🤡🤡
물건 sis all her fans were gonna listen to it anyway, people who listen to trash like nicki probably aren’t gonna listen to lanas music 🤡
She talks about the other artists like they don’t deal with criticism. They made songs about controversial topics and became popular, yes, but you did too Lana.
Right?? That was my first thought like... does she think that all those people.. didn’t? get criticized? for singing about those things?
Pepsi cola.
@abc stv I think she didn't just because the media and people were caught up in shawn and camila dating
Beyonce's mood 4 eva is her literally being a whole mood joy and pettiness despite her criticism
@abc stv Camila was bullied out of Fifth Harmony, called the 'worst singer' of the group and then bullied for dating Shawn Mendes...
“Feminism has always had space for women who looks like Lana Del Rey”
THIS!
Edit: 1K likes, thank you all!
Isnt ot objectifying her now? It is so antifeminist...
@@Css636 it is not antifeminist, it is acknowledging the way feminism has often excluded women of color such that an entirely separate movement for gender equality was created to be intersectional and inclusive (womanism). feminism has always had space for white women, and lana is deluding herself into believing otherwise.
@@goandtriponaknife4340 some "feminists" also have a history with not accepting trans women which sucks
@@softjams4951 umm if you look into actual feminism it has included women of color and trans women but the reason we have BLM and movements like that because racism includes black men and feminism is to fight against injustices towards women and no matter what the journey of a trans women and biological women are gonna be different and they are most definitely included in LGBTQ movement with others who have shared similar journeys but I get your point for sure 😊totally off topic but Latinos we need a movement cuz be be excluded outta everything when we get racism as well
Yeah that’s just my take on it ✨💕
#BLM #FEMINISM #LATINOPRIDE
@@Kk-lq9yl feminism itself can include trans women and woc but, it's history has constantly been excluding them. For example, Susan b Anthony who is considered one of the main runners in first wave feminism didn't really care if woc received the right to vote.
I read this whole post as as “I’m not not like the other girls”
Black Knight Fool what
@Black Knight Fool what
Black Knight Fool are you ok
@Black Knight Fool what-
what did thier comment say they deleted it
The real reason dangelo Wallace needed a break is because he is actually a robot and needed to recharge (it’s why his skin is so perfect)
can’t argue with that
He was probably repairing himself because of how much stupid stuff he has to see on the internet 😌
Seems legit
peppa- what are you doing in the reply section?
D’Angelo: Become Human
ur so smart it’s like a breathe of fresh air hearing how easily and articulately talk, while keeping in the humor.
so honest + real
This sounds like a micro-aggression...
Sammy J I see what you mean, if they said for a black man. For a youtuber in general though, it’s still true.
What are you implying here?
brianna brady bardot She’s implying exactly what she commented.
I was willing to consider forgiving her until she came, yet again, for another black woman FKA. On top of that FKA is a renaissance artist. She puts just as much time into her shit as Lana and is just as much of an "outsider". Once can be a mistake but twice? and doubling down? Pshawww
FKA is soooo good; she’s so insanely talented. How dare Lana. But also Lana on a pole does sound like trash. FKA did make it art. So there's that.
@@millymartin7191 Same I lost it when she said her name
@@millymartin7191 FKA's pole work literally makes me cry it's so moving! Lana's 5 seconds on the pole for one music video invoked 0 emotion in me lmao. she needs to leave other women's names out of her mouth and hop off her high horse. but she won't 🙄
Fka was also friends with Lana 😐
She keeps comparing herself to other artists and likes to play the fragile victim. Lmao gurl needs to check her white privilege
i think d'angelo talks about whatever he wants because he secretly owns mars
You just made me make a foil hat XD
@@susannaaleksanyan1235 lol
"secretly"
@@youwontrememberme not confirmed so yea
Yeah
This should've been called 'Lana Del Ray Has Lost Her Lana Del Way'
I-🧍🏽♀️
Woooowwww
this should have been the top comment
Yes you are correct
This is the type of joke my dad would make and actually made me laugh but I would act like it didn’t so I don’t hype and support that behaviour
This'll probably get lost in the comment section here, but man, you're helping me overcome my eating disorder...how you might ask? Well when I sit down for a good meal, I put your videos on and watch them whilst eating, allowing me not to have all my attention on consuming food. For some reason, you're the only RUclips this works for. So thanks DW, you're helping people in VERY unexpected ways.
That's great, I hope you are able to push through this!
Im so glad! I know you can do this!
Sunetta S aw man thanks!!
PLAGUE DOCTOR thanks!! Think I’m through the worst of it now :D x
@@hayleylucypoole5509 you're welcome, best of luck
As a white woman, it genuinely made me uncomfortable to hear her say "feminism needs a space for women like me". Her comments come from such a childish woe is me place and not as a comment about it. These 7 women she's mentioned have empowered women so much.
Her comment isnt about race though, take off the identity politics goggles that you Americans love to wear 24/7. She is talking about women who are traditionally 'feminine, girly, soft, etc. Ignoring ethnicity completely, her vibe is so different from someone like Cardi B or even Beyonce. And I'm not talking about skin colour. Presentation and aesthetic matters to our perception of people. We're obviously going to perceive Lana in a different way to Cardi B given that the latter is overtly sexual in her image and lyrics and shaking her ass, sticking tongue out and so on. Obviously Lana knows she is a pretty girl, but she doesnt use her sexually in an aggressive manner like a lot of POC women artists do. More softer less assertive women like her tend to get a bit undermined by the industry and by feminists. That is what she is referring to.
And I mean, define empowering? Its not a one size fits all thing. Is WAP empowering? Not to a lot of women it's not! Alot of people find it gross, quite frankly.
@@harrypike5140 if it's not about race then why did you mention POC creators specifically? This is exactly the point. You can comment on every person on here complaining but I'm assuming that you aren't a woman and can't actually understand what makes a woman feel empowered. Women can be empowered by anything and you're a moron if you're gonna sit here and say that they can't. And also someone like Lizzo is definitely a person who empowers women. Beyonce also. this isn't identity politics it's a statement of her blatantly using POC women to push an agenda that there's not more "soft" women. It's offensive and hurtful to those women and to all the women in the space. Also fuck off bringing up WAP. It's the first thing men go to to say women are "whores" and it's not empowering. Maybe, just maybe, women appreciate songs about their sexual experience that isn't just from the male perspective.
YES
@@harrypike5140 traditional ideas of femininity in America are very tied to whiteness. Black women have historically been perceived as aggressive, overtly sexual, and even incapable of feeling real pain. Lana's image relies in part on her race, and that's not her fault, but the way that she's acting in this situation does have unfortunate parallels to white women using victimhood as a weapon.
@@rampagingrexy7202 go off, coomer. WAP, Lizzo and Cardi B are all gross. If you genuinely feel empowered by a song about wet vaginas then you need to look in the mirror tbh. It's not about gender. It's equally as cringe if a man was saying that a song with lyrics about hard penises is empowering to men. It's not. It's crude and immature. You can express your sexuality without nonsense like that. Better yet, be Sexual in your private life and not in everyone's faces..
Me not being a woman makes no difference to my ability to determine what's objectively a good female role model or not. The same as you would be able to tell men that some of their role models are not good.
"The type of woman that says No but men hear Yes isn't a type of woman....that's a type of man"
YES, EXACTLY! Bless you, D'angelo
Her saying she paved the way is the literal equivalent of Cheryl Blossom saying “I invented red. I am red.”
she is cheryl blossom
PERIOD
Did you know I paved the way for you to make this comment? I left a comment once.
And now look at me! Paving the way to make replies with this reply! I’m such a hero.
@@SirrSerpent Sorry, honey, but I invented the English language. I paved the way for you, and you're not even crediting me.
"I paved the way for women to sing and write about what they want"
*Ella Fitzgerald wants to know your location*
Yeah um, women already wrote about what they wanted in the 2000's (and even before then)
It was just more heavily criticized 💀
(Indigo Girls)
Maya Angelou wants to know your location.
> Tori Amos has entered the chat
Didn’t Kesha straight up make a song indirectly hinting at glory holes
Ariana Grande literally has the most feminine and delicate persona, like wth?
Rightttt
Why? ‘Cause she’s four and a half feet tall?
@@TheBOG3 no, because that’s how she presents herself? It’s really present in her Yours Truly era
@@TheBOG3 and My Everything
@@TheBOG3 Bad take bro🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
As someone whos first language isn't English I thought I was having a stroke reading her declarations. At least now I know it was a crazy confusing statement from the start lmao
I feel you 😂
English is my first language and I felt the exact same lmao
you're good lmao
I thought i lost my ability to comprehend a 2nd language completely
I felt it was one of those days that English just dissappears from my head hahahaha
I love how unbothered he is by the fact that people are mad about his break, dangelo drops quality not quantity 😌
periodt 😌✨
um did you mean he drops quantity not quality ówò
He never drops quality, he only drops quantity.
He only drops quantity not quantity
Mad or impatient? I could never be mad at D’angelo ❤️
“I’m not here to cancel her...I’ve never cancelled anyone on my channel before”
Spongebob Voice: “One month later...”
they cancelled themselves by being shit human beings, he was just exposing content they have posted on the internet
shane has been thrown through the mud 😗
I'm so glad he did.
😂
@@saltea8266 good riddance
also lana, a white woman, saying that "delicate" women like her are criticized more and directly contrasting herself to a list of majority black women, who are seen as indelicate/more mature/sexually mature at a much younger age is kind of??????????
Why is everything about race nowadays. I swear americans are obsessed with it. Her criticism was about their lyrics, their skin color had nothing to do with it.
Exactly
@@lepierre1248 because it’s everywhere and affects everyday life, probably even when your from it’s just probably not talked About enough.
@@teencrisis4750 Did you unironically say that race is not talked about enough? Look I don't think it's bad to talk about race, in fact I think it is necessary, but her comments had nothing to do with it. She did not mention these artists for their skin color but for the content of their lyrics.
I completely understand her point on delicate feminine women who are completely shunned by the feminist community but by comparing them to black strong female artist was definitely NOT the way to go. There are women out there who are very submissive and soft spoken and modest yet are told by feminists that they are bad and shouldn't be that way.
“The kind of woman that says ‘no’ but men hear ‘yes’ is not a kind of woman, it’s a kind of man.”
I dropped my phone and applauded for that statement.
dangelo is my king 👑
Do you really think this is deep? It's common sense
@@squidward9191 it’s not common though. sadly.
We shouldn't applaud men for thinking of us as people and not objects. Yes, it's good he thinks like this, but it should not be this big of a deal to be a decent person
@Melina Guay you’re kidding right
The stupidest part of her statement is that she was acting like women who sing about sex and stuff don't get critisiced? They 100% do. And submissive, feminine women have always been the societal norm and more accepted. So it just doesn't make any sense. All female creators are going to get critisiced just because they take up space and are women.
exactly! like i saw a tweet that says Tory was right in shooting Megan thee stallion because she has sexual songs...
And the fact that she is whining about being criticized about singing about her experiences when many of those artists she's listed sing about their experiences. I'm sorry Lana that sad girl vibes are your life but just like how your experiences are valid so are those of strippers, so are those of druggies, so are those of toxic relationships that thrive on sex. Don't invalidate another women's experience of being in the streets and stripping for money when that's what their story is and say that oh they're super popular for talking about sex when I'm trying to talk about real shit. It's very hypocritical to say the least.
yh I was thinking the same thing there is literally no artist that hasnt been criticised. People have been bashing Jennifer Lopez and Shakira for their "sexual" performance last year and literally turned off the TV. Female artists singing about sex are somehow still seen as controversial and boundary crossing, which in itself is pretty sad to me, considering how many male artists have been able to sing about getting laid for decades by now. How often any artist is slut shamed no matter what outfit they were. Megan and Nicki have been slammed so often as if their music will turn girls into sex demons or sth. But sure, Lana is the only one who has ever been criticised of anything.
“Feminism has always had space for women who look like Lana Del Rey” CORRECT 👏🏻
not now
Agustín Baletti Where have you been? The most mainstream form of feminism is lead by white cis women. For example black women made their own branch called Womanism because white feminists often neglect how pale skin colour and European features give them an edge even if overall women are treated badly.
I don't know about you but there is an entire branch of feminism that views women as a collective and therefore any decision a woman makes puts women down as a class. So to these people a woman singing about a traditionally feminine role is putting other women down. This is what happens when people don't think their ideologies through. Liberal feminism is more about individual choice, yes, but second wave and radical feminism is about women as a collective. That's why nobody bat an eye when Lorde said that Lana's music is unhealthy for young women or every music critic I watched said that she's a bad "representation" for women.
Don't be so superficial when she said "look" like me the last thing that came to mind was her physical appearance. Stay at home moms often express that they are being judged really harshly mostly by other women.
I really don't appreciate her stereotyping of what a feminist is. Don't worry Lana, most of what you said in this statement makes it clear you aren't a feminist even if you say your "not not a feminist".
Ikr! When have they not?
Isnt Ariana Grande literally an example of a “soft personality”?? Someone who “looks and acts like her”? Lana is obviously just very bitter.
also ariana grande is a “fully-white, fully Caucasian” woman lmao and she didn’t even realize that/mention that
@@anastasiad2302 to be fair, i don't think ariana realises that either
@@asha4736 LMAO u right
Lana is obviously just bitter i knew she was the second she mentioned mostly women of color, Idk the whole statement just didn’t sit well with me
We didn’t even know that there would be a Lana cult and hamster cult and the burning bible drama even just 1 week ago
Rumor confirmed: D’Angelo is not dead.
I'm still not buying it tbh
i was getting worried hghh-
666th like teehee
Idk...
are u sure about that?!
"the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes" bruh that sounds so wrong
rapey vibes all over that statement lmao
Bow Legged what video?? Thought she was bad enough for sexualizing Lolita
@Bow Legged Are you dumb? It's not a "fetish". She includes dark theme into her art that doesn't mean it's a "fetish" and she likes that shit.
@@olivialyn5476 the "Rape Fantasy" is very common actually. There was an Australian dark comedy that dealt with it and it was pretty funny
She needs to stop saying "women like me"....period.
What does she even mean?
Lana is the opposite of “not like other girls”. She want other girls to be like her lol.
@@EmmuelleBerger2011 she thinks shes part of a niche of women that are feminine and "delicate"
@@squiddy3915 But what if she is thoe? Some people are actually a bit like that
@@almamater489 yes but like she's talking about it as if feminine and delicate women are oppressed by society any more than any other type of women which like...nah lol
“girl, go sing your little cocaine carols” IM CRYING AKSJAKJSD
😂
Lana del day really went "everyone is just jealous because I'm sexually liberated" right after criticizing other artists for making music about sexual topics 💅
exactly! like what does she think "god is a woman" is about?
Criticizing? Or comparing, praising and calling out for the same treatment? You are what you attract. It's just funny how you just chose to be an idiot.
@@knezfikol5010 I actually agree
@@knezfikol5010 she cant deal with with wat does women she 'compared' dealt with
@@fatimattaiwo3940 Hunty, she dealt with a lot of things compared to Ariana and Camila. She had no shortcuts. Inform yourself. And let's not talk how she's been robbed of many awards just because she was only what she was intended to be. A singer, not a political activist suiting any kind of political narrative. Something Americans seem to have forgotten is possible.
"That's the kind of man" YES. Very well said.
Yeah, I could tell that while he was saying it he was worried it would come out wrong.
How this only have one other reply lol
👏
This made me a fan!
That’s when I hit the like button, very well said, I love this man.
"'the kind of woman who says no and men hear yes', that's not a kind of woman, that's a kind of man"
that is when i smashed that subscribe button, hard.
Welcome to the family
Lauren Nicole :) it’s nice here
6:54 "why am i coming after Cody Ko? He didn't do anything" is so funny after seeing everything so down now 😨
she had a question for the culture but didn’t want to hear the answer.
Lol
that’s pretty much it
because nobody wants to hear your sad music lanie, if you want a number 1, make music that sounds like something that is more celebrated by the GP 😭 get more popular, and then maybe collab with one of those girls you called out, if theyd still give you a chance. Thats the answer, period.
😂
Whenever someone asks what this whole scandal is about, Im just going to tell them that 😂
Even while he is tackling controversy surrounding Lana Del Rey, he is still healthily drinking that respect women juice. We stan.
100% 🙌🙌
D'Angelo has respect women juice flowing through his veins
SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMP
jk
Oh yes
Abby LMAO _scurries for popcorn_
Basically she’s saying hey everyone sit down so I can stand up but like no ones stoping her just stand up lol
She lacks the rangeeee. Shes washed up, old news. She cant stand that everyone moved on from their 2014 tumblr phase. Everyone except her- shes too old for this mess
kittykat LMFAOOO FACTS
I didn’t get why she also had to drag anyone, if she wanted to complain she wasn’t getting plays she should have just said so instead of making it political. Like bitch bye 🥴
She complains that she goes through a lot not thinking those women went through worse, she bringing down because she thinks she’s better
👏👏👏
As a Lana fan. I just " LOVE “ how she made a video clip and song with Ariana and then she bashed her for having sexual songs. That’s great. Such a mature person. 😑
Lana also used to have sexual songs, she wasn’t bashing them. She was questioning why they were allowed to continue what they were doing without being slammed by critics.
@@o_o-lj1ym exactly what I’ve been thinking
Your an adiot
@@TylerJMartino is that a response to me ?
@@marmxl3110 lol no. Of course not darling 💋🙏🌴
"'the kind of woman that says no but men hear yes' that's not a kind of woman, that's a kind of man" wow king omg why am I just finding your channel
Lol same
Sameee
What does he mean? I dont understsnd what hes saying....please explain. Thank u!
@@fionnrex9513 he meant that in like a consent setting, because it's more often than not a man who doesn't listen to what a woman wants. by saying "the kind of woman" is putting the blame on women for men who are at fault for taking a no for a yes. hope that helps
This feels a lot like the “I’m not like other girls” mentality
That’s because it is. It was a “I’m different, I still sTanD ouT”
I think also ”fragility” is her way of saying that she often identifies strongly with literary children. “ Were gonna party like it’s 1949. Were in the Chevrolet from July to July, gonna see it all before he says goodbye. Every man deserves to see the sunrise.” Essentially I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with her being called out for anti-feminist rhetoric, because she shows support for statutory rape in four songs: mildly in off to the races, with the Humbert line “ light of my life fire of my loins,” and more aggressively in 1949, Lollita, and the song I quoted before Every Man Gets His Wish.
Ya and the way she drags other women in order to look like more of a victim? Not cool
I'm a fan of Lana and I'm still soaking in all this tea.. my mind is teetering on the notion of separating the art from the artist or outright cancel. Either way I can never hear her music again without this hiccups ringing in the background
That gave me a " Everyone else is a slut but I'm a good girl, daddy" vibes..
Funniest part is how the women she pointed out arent even in the same genre as her??? And why didnt she cherry pick white women?
Exactly!! She’s finding the correlation between the things they talk about but honestly the reason they’re mainstream and she isn’t is simply because Lana’s music is not pop, super catchy, high tempo, etc
i think it's because she meant the lyrics and not the songs from them in general
It's not about genre, it was about the topics that are acceptable to sing about as a women.
The things she sings about are empowering her, same way that all the singers she mentioned have their "empowering" style.
interesting how she didn’t mention billie eilish who makes similar music to her - who she actually lost a grammy to and has surpassed her in popularity despite being in the industry for 10 minutes.
It was unnecesary to point out the exact artists, just talk about the lyrics problems in the first place
Idk why but Lana saying “bro” is so weird to me..
Right. Anyone who isn't native american should just stop donating to any of your causes so as not to be misunderstood.
@@leannemalone7496 okay I think you responded to the wrong comment, but also what?
brethren.
@@aditimishra7498 greetings, brethren.
"the world doesnt want women like me to have a voice"
then how are you a huge pop star who millions of people listen to?
White rich woman doesn’t have a voice... poor Lana
Double negatives are generally a way to be sort of wishy-washy on a subject
There's no way that's not true!
Exactly. She didn't want to pick a side out of fear of being criticized even more than she had initially anticipated.
passive aggressiveness, which goes with the narcissism she puts on display through the rest of her essay. dysfunction alert.
@@Gee-xb7rt There's nothing wrong with being unsure about identifying as a feminist, and it doesn't mean it's passive-aggressive. The feminist movement in general has gained a reputation for being toxic because of the bad people in it who've twisted its message. Most people DO believe in equality but don't put labels on themselves because they don't want to be associated with a whole movement and all the controversies that come with it. I go to an all-girls school, few people use the label 'feminist' but of course we believe in equal rights.
Caoise Kawayan so fuck black lives matter too because of their toxic vocal minority right? Even tho they just advocate for equality too?
Lana was over generalizing a group that advocates for her and people like her. She is just pissed that people don’t always enjoy her usual “moan and groan” about petty issues in her music. But she can’t act like she invented her genre and can just put down a bunch of women and basically call feminists masculine, and then be like “I didn’t say anything wrong gosh”, she’s the embodiment of privileged white girl, spewing garbage out of her mouth like she can get away with it (because she’s a privileged white girl) and that’s why people are not happy with what she said
She must of lost it when WAP came out
i feel like megan and cardi made wap together to clap back at lana a few months later. give her a taste of her own medicine.
@@mimichelly539 factss
@Sassy Queen THAT'S A WET THAT'S A WAP IM TALKING WAP WAP WAP
@Sassy Queen ew, you listen to cardi b
Jk lol, music is music
@Sassy Queen YES.
Finally. Someone who doesn't like cardi B/ doesn't listen to her but still likes WAP
she seems a little bit like the type of outdated white feminist that wants to profite from feminism and feels like shes treated unfairly when she isnt. i get being bashed for your sexualitiy or your lyrics is horrible and definitely sexist and i wholeheartedly agree. but she acts like shes the only one or that she has it the worst, when in fact it isnt a competition in the first place (and it isnt - there may be different levels to discrimination, I mean a black woman would definitely have more disadvantages in life than her as a white woman). just, comparing the hatred/pain/criticism you faced because of your gender to other women, wording it that way? problematic af. not to mention that she kinda proved that she doesnt know much about feminism apart from the ways it would directly effect her anyways.
this is very well-worded comment! i couldn’t have said it better myself. i don’t think a lot of white women realize that whenever they are speaking about issues of inequality or sexism, or whatever it is- THEY ARE WHITE BEFORE THEY ARE ANYTHING ELSE. you are a WHITE woman fighting for feminism, you are a WHITE woman talking about your sexuality. it’s different. when lana sings a song most people can understand how it feels like to be in that position but it’s not the same for artists like mitski and sza. there is only so much a white person can empathize with songs from mitski and sza, because although they are talking about not feeling good enough to men, feeling like their efforts are unappreciated to society, they feel that way as women of color- something white women will never understand.
This.
Raise your hand if you're the crazy neolib in the room? Of course we have to bring race into it, even though it literally has nothing at all to do with race...a north korean woman in north korea has it way worse than a black woman in the United States, in general, but seriously...what is your fucking point? The mental gymnastics you people go through to link everything to race, imaginary privilege and quite literally made up intersectionality must be exhausting...unless you're just one of the dumb ass "woke" playing follow the leader who doesn't even understand what your own terminology actually means, which is about 98% of you. Lana is popular with women everywhere because there's a very primitive undertone of the relations between men and women that most artists are unable to articulate. Since she lays it out on the table without man bashing, it's just not feminist enough for you. For a culture of inclusion, and by that I mean your liberalism AND feminism...you people sure are quick to point out when someone is too white or not quite feminist (or should I say angry) enough for your liking. You neolibs are the most close-minded, exclusionary group of jerk offs that have ever existed. You spend an awful lot of time congratulating yourselves for being "woke" while being so ridiculous that it's impossible to imagine any real change could come of any of it. You guys have done so much damage by preaching to extremes and socially castrating anyone who doesn't live up to you that YOU have driven real progress back 50 years. Normal people have no choice but to dig in and resist because you don't want meaningful change, you want your BS dogma. People like you are the reason I now lean conservative after 22 years of voting blue. Congrats on destroying yourselves from within.
@@leannemalone7496 thankyou for saying this ....
As for this chick, it would do her good to know that the woman she thinks is outdated, the woman who profits off feminism is very much alive these days in the form of many celebrities. These celebrities have all good and calculated things to say so maybe that's what these people want. Take the example of Taylor swift. God third wave feminism was a mistake.
@@vasudhabhandari8431 I'm honestly so sick of all this identity politics and sjw bs...if everyone doesn't fit into a neat little box, these people lose there fucking minds.
The “strong women” that she talks about are mainly advocating for women and girls to stand up for themselves and feel empowered, NOT for them to become less vulnerable and emotional.
I feel like she's trying so hard to talk about and simplify the harsh and radical side of feminism. The side that will change every cute feminine character into a short haired punk. I'm not a feminist but I don't see how feminists are bringing ppl like her down. Alot of feminists have a straight mind and alot of them support all types of women.
@@kittycatty8336
It's like she's thinks of feminists the same way incels do.
THIS!!
@@RuminatingRaptor there are many different types of feminists, the radical side is one of them and it really scares me sometimes, especially in my country xd they think that if you are feminine, you are serving patriarchy and things like that, really profound if you think. I think the same thing that this guy, but compare incels with Lana del Rey is a reeeeeally deep shit
I don't know why you can't be feminine and strong or masculine and weak
The fact that a small “delicate” straight white woman says there’s no place in femenism for her is ridiculous, femenism isn’t to eradicate women wanting to be a housewife, you can still want to be a housewife, femenism is to give people a CHOICE, if they don’t want to be a housewife in simple terms. My god,
Lol. Don't act like the modern wave of feminism doesn't demonise and scoff at traditional femininity and women who are more submissive or who want to be housewives. They're told they have 'ingrained misogyny', told that that real feminity is making your own money and being strong and on your hustle. Just look at all the representation of feminism and femininity in modern pop culture and mass media. It's the 30 something wine-drinking millennial who don't need no man and sleeps around and explores herself and listens to W.A.P. There are whole subreddits dedicated to making fun on traditional women's RUclips channels like Mrs Midwest. So don't be disingenuous by saying that feminism isn't about pushing out women who want to be traditionally feminine, because in today's age it absolutely is. I say this as a boyfriend to a woman who experienced all of that just because she wanted a more traditional lifestyle
I know you posted this a year ago but I love your username
She built like a damn Whirlpool refrigerator
@@Vasquez.213 yk body shaming a women for having a bad take is still body shaming and it's still misogynistic. 😕
capital G and don’t use Gods name in vain pls
I'm so confused by what she means when she says "fragile" and "delicate". Does it imply that soft-spoken women are emotionally deeper than other women? How do you classify yourself as fragile? Does it imply past trauma? How can you assume you are more "fragile" than other people?
Maybe she refers to those women that do not want to portray a powerful,strong and "i do not need no men" image that is so wanted these days
I’d also like to know
She's passive aggressive and feels she has a monopoly on important emotions.
Yeah I also wish she elaborated what on earth that means. She keeps using those two words but doesn’t go on to say what that means. Like what is she even TRYING to say....
Anonim Anonim But most women aren’t like that 100% of the time. Beyonce gave us “Love Drought” and “Best Thing I Never Had” and “Irreplaceable” and “Ring the Alarm”
Most women aren’t 1D fragile and delicate or strong and independent. There are layers that LDR didn’t acknowledge.
I think she perceives herself as a deep, thoughtful, melancholy artist in a sea of vapid, hyper-sexual, obnoxious, fake-confident pop divas, and that feminism is just Lizzo shaking her ass and Ariana singing about her exes. I think her shallow understanding of feminism, and maybe her reluctance to confront the actual tenets or history of feminism, turns her away from it and makes her uncomfortable when people want to hold her to the standards she hasn't bothered to/wanted to ingest and learn. I think she'd rather not think too hard about it, and when she does try to make a point regarding feminism, she ends up retreading ground that feminists have actually already covered. She'd know that if she cared to educate herself.
YES KATIA! You are so right! She isn't bothered to want to learn and instead deems herself an oppressed, delicate victim.
👏👏👏
Nail on the head, exactly
Summary: she thinks she’s better than every else because she’s “not like other pop stars (girls)” and no one can tell her anything because ignorance is bliss and she thinks she’s better than everyone else.
yuppp
This is why feminism gets a bad rep: because Lana did one of the very things that feminism has been accused of promoting but actually doesn’t; Lana brought herself up by bringing down 7 other artists who had nothing to do with what she was trying to say. She did have some good points, but it’s hard to get around the fact that she threw a handful of people under the bus. She’s super talented; why does she need to start controversy like this?
Lol Lana “strong women” are NOT your enemy
Also, she's there waiting for the third wave of feminism? Any day now.....any day, it'll be here
Someone get Lana on the phone, I have some exciting news
She seems like one of those people who try making their situation seem worse. “Oh, you’re tired because you slept 5 hours? Well... I slept 3 hours” “you don’t like your cousins? Mine tried killing me in my sleep”
You mean like a victim narcissist? ;)
If you want to know the term for this, it's called gatekeeping!
@Milo S Thank you for clarifying that! I was kind of seeing it from the angle of gatekeeping because my thought process was "they're attempting to gatekeep the ability to complain because they have had it worse". I do agree that one-upmanship is a bit more spot on in that regard. Thank you for introducing that term to me (':
You have depression? Well I have trauma and PTSD
@@3starsburningbright you have truman and PTSD? MY GOLDFISH KILLED MY DOG WITH A LEAF AND I WAS THROWN OUT OF NY NEIGHBOUR'S KENNEL
(Sorry if you actually have those by the way😔)
This is random but you’re literally like such a well balanced and educated dude, like I hope I can raise my kids to be like you
same
Very random
@@Drowsy391 but true
Simp
Same. He does his research and always makes very well done videos.
Lmao I just can’t fall for her “you’re misinterpreting me” bullshit. She’s making a whole album, coming out with books and literally claiming she’s the best at what she does. If that’s the case, Miss Lana, you should be able to appropriately convey a normal statement to the public. And I’m an actual fan of hers, I loved Lana’s aesthetic and “sad girl” vibes. I related to her until she made it clear she lives in her own world and has no idea what accountability means.
Exactly! For a writer, she did a terrible job with these posts, which definitely says something.
"I'm a writer first" she says but this woman can't convey a single thought without it ending up convoluted and borderline offensive. it's getting harder and harder to defend any of her actions anymore. and I was / am a fan too, I'm just too ashamed to admit it anymore. most of her stans make me embarrassed to support her behavior, no matter how much I may enjoy her art. blind support isn't healthy, being held accountable is. and like you said she lives in her own world and clearly doesn't want to take responsibility for anything she says or does. she'll still make millions at the end of the day regardless. 🙄
Oh, well, i tend to wonder if the artists we admire, especially the more delicate/sensitive, are able to create what they do because they are in their world 🤔 perhaps, maybe elements. Idk, maybe one has nothing to do with the other, but i know pieces ive created that i respect mightve been created do to that just ponderin
@@zoraspeak wow! Whered you get your psych degree?
@@raquelvalladolid532 shes a song artist, a poet not an investigative journalist or PR manager. What is with the younger generation and the internet, expectations blown completely out
her apology reminded me so much of the “sorry I’m rich and you are not” meme
When you're a wealthy, musically talented, privileged artist sitting on near legendary status, but you're just itching to get cancelled across all social media in the light of a world wide meltdown in 2020:
Lana Del Rey:
Cancel culture is toxic asf
If nothing else, she's incredibly self-centered. People were attempting to point out her ignorance about how she came across and she replied with a bunch of "I's and "me"s.
I agree, I think she is ignorant & willfully so. Perhaps her mental health problems are clouding her judgement but her inability to reflect, listen to more information & consider other peoples views is stunted & nieve to say the least.
Sammy Ariel Nice comment, but: “nieve” means “snow” in Spanish 😆. The word you meant was “naïve”
her instagram letter was about her internal feelings, of course she’s going to defend herself with “i” and “me” bc she wrote about her feelings lol
"Why am I coming after Cody Ko, he hasen't done anything..." That hits different in the present day.
Lana Del Rey got drunk off a few glasses of wine one night, wrote an essay and posted it, and it spiraled out of control.
I recognize you from
The Voodoo Child!
🤣🤣🤣
she looks like she dips her cigarettes in her wine and eats them
* sozi * I- why is this true
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she really called herself "the type of woman who says no and men hear yes" as if only 'delicate' women get assaulted... that phrasing in general is so gross too like men aren't confused or misunderstanding, they hear no just fine and purposefully choose to ignore it
Ugh exactly what I thought when I heard her say that. Bruh men like that don't listen to ANY woman who says no....
Yeah it’s so disgusting to describe yourself as prone to sexual abuse like it’s a personality trait. She almost seems to like that.
Laura Sparkles That glorification of abuse is disgusting
@@parkchimmin7913 no kidding. Also consider that, it doesn't take you being "delicate" or "glamorous" to have certain men try to take advantage of you. Every implication in her statement is abhorrent.
Laura Sparkles It makes it seem as if “delicate” women are “more desirable” to men.
New title “Lana Del Rey is Lana Del-usional”
Damn
oh snap, that’s good
🔥💀😂
Heitzch fre- fre sha vaca do
you should be praised
I think Lana is simply god awful at expressing her opinions
I think she just has god awful opinions.
@@samuelfraley8737 These are both true at the same time.
@samuelfraley8737 I don't think that but , she does make points , she just has a bad way of expressing it
I didn’t know Lana del Rey would make me hate the word “fragility” this much...I’m so angry at her now for that lol
No worries..She embodies the definition of “white fragility”, so assume that’s what she’s talking about.
MysticEden if white fragility = being classy and not twerking in every video, then ok
@@allessandmegchannel more like not everything is about me i must drag down poc
Busy Ariana isn’t a POC??? Lmao.
@@allessandmegchannel ariana wasn't the only one mentioned?? learn how to listen and or read
when she said "this upcoming third wave of feminism" i -
girl, we are WELL into the fourth wave
what's the 4th wave all about, I've never heard of it
@@aquarium105 the fourth wave is basically the stiff that's been happening in the latter half of the 2010s, like the me too movement, the women's march, etc., there's also been a push for more intersectionality and inclusion in feminism, like being more inclusive of trans women, queer women, women of colour, and other marginalised groups of women.
right?! it kinda feels like she confuses feminism with sexism or something?! "a place for someone [like her] who is feminine and fragile" (or what she said, that made her incompatible with feminists)... well, that sounds like feminism..?
For someone who apparently knows all the spaces available to feminism, she doesn't even know what third wave feminism is 🤦🏻♀️
I get the feeling she's not big on reading or just the lightest of all research. The public school system has failed us. Unless she went to a private school paid for by her rich parents. I could see that without really looking it up.
EDIT: Yep, St. Agnes, all girl private college prep school. Typical upper class white woman.
So, my main takeaway is that D’Angelo has finally admitted he’s just a glamorous person.
i mean, obviously
now that's how u flirt intellectually
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Imagine thinking you were the first woman to sing about being sad because of love
Let's introduce her to classic literature - I'm not sure if that's the name since English is not my first language but I hope you know what I mean? As in all the books from many years ago about sad women because of the man they loved?
She never said she was...
@@jackie9397 But she did. Are you Lana stans getting paid for being this stupid? She legit said she paved the way for people. She hasn't.
@@eduardaarrais Yes! Classic literature is books written years ago, but are still popular today.
Rachel Voss Vilaça Alright, then what did she say?
Why does she feel the need to put “strong” woman as something that she isn’t? Being very feminine, and delicate or wanting to stay at home does not mean you are weak. If you consider yourself weaker than others bc of that, then that’s putting women down again, except in this case you’re putting women like yourself down. And honestly what she’s doing of putting down other types of women to put women like herself up...that’s not feminism, it’s toxic femininity, which is to put down other women because of inner misogyny. (I’ve said the words “women” and “putting down” WAY too many times lol)
your comment deserves allot more likes, tbh. hard agree.
As long as you are yourself what is the difference? Differentiating between types of females is the same as differentiating between males. We are all humans and we all can and should be who we feel we are at our core.
strong has many meanings. she meant strong as in opposite to "delicate". your argument is wayyyy out of context
Yo are so clever lol I had to read it twice to understand. Totally agree girl
periodtttt
why can't she just talk about herself without putting other women down smh
She is like that as a person.
Yeh that’s sad us women should stick together as sisters
And idk why I have to say this but some people yah know I’m not saying stick together to hate on men just to clear that up smh
Bc she's bitter. She took the safe route by being "delicate" and "passive" bc it's the most marketable, and yet other women went the opposite direction by going after "self-empowerment" and being "unapologetically aggressive & raunchy" yet still found success. She wants to take them down a notch bc she feels like it's not fair that these women are getting awards, breaking charts, sustaining radio play, etc. while her so-called "marketable image" is outdated. Envy is poison, everytime she drinks it, you can see that haterade spewing back up her throat and out her mouth with vitriol. She's a sad woman who has 0 self-awareness.
@Noah Ball yeah i get that but she was comparing them with her to make herself look better in a sense because she's more "feminine" and "soft", i could be wrong but that's how i felt
Noah Ball she literally dragged them down by saying that “unlike them”, who sing about sex and stuff, aka unserious stuff, she writes about being embodied and having beautiful relationships, aka serious stuff. lana always gets shit ton of criticism for the music she makes and so has all the rights to speak out about that, but instead of exposing journalists and magazines who are the main problem she name dropped other women (including ariana, whom she had collaborated with), which was awkward and only showed her self-centered personality. she could’ve worded it a different way, really.
Lana Fans when they still can't accept that Lana is problematic and keeps on finding loopholes and excuses for her tone deaf behavior because she's just the 'aesthetic' quirky it girl that can't do no wrong and then easily gets offended by someone's own opinion: 😱🤨🤬😤
This is gonna sound so ironic.
I or we I guess, never said she wasnt problematic. Every celeb has done some f8cked up shit, and no one is ever right. Im just saying, i genuinely dont think shes a bad person. I met her, shes kind, shes nice and yes she has a horrible way of expressing her opinions but that doesnt mean shes not entitled to her own opinion.
Being aesthetic and "quirky" like that is her image, so it makes sense she would try to maintain that, dont you agree?
Cry more
36:57 the fact that she doesn't recognize that others are going through poverty, loss of their jobs, etc adds even more to the idea that she isn't aware of all the problems that others are facing right now.
"The kind of woman that says no but men say yes" is EVERY woman. I dont know why lana believes that "strong feminist women" are immune from rape and sexism because they absolutely are not.
If anything, the reason why they are “strong feminist women” is BECAUSE of sexism and rape, let alone “strong feminist” WOC. Like, Lana.....you have to do better hun...
SHOUT IT LOUDER 👏
Agree except for remember the point that dangelo made, its the MAN's fault that he didnt listen not the kind of woman
PERIODDD
Black Knight Fool Broski sorry to break to ya but I'm straight and not feminist and is still realizing she was wrong for what she said some people have leadership qualities and some people don't those people who have leadership qualities tend to get farther in life so I don't understand why she is whining because she isn't getting "success" what she is saying doesn't make sense because because she has plenty of fame and money, and doesn't need to be at the top to be successful
When he said "and she didn't even win it" I already LOST IT
The video got a like from me straight away! 😂
she mad cuz she didn't win, not bigheaded cuz she didnt
keep losing it, like you always did
orhan del rey girl stop commenting every vid, nobody cares lol.
She really tried to make it sound like she was admiring the artists she listed... she reduced their music to such superficial concepts, and even if it’s true, she juxtaposed herself as clearly better because she wasn’t singing about those same topics but instead was berated for singing about being a “delicate” (ugh the over usage of that word I cringe) woman. She really said I’m better because I don’t show off my body. Just let women do what they want. Ultimately I do think feminism is different for everyone because it’s about empowering women in however they feel comfortable with. No one said she has to be “strong,” but it is obviously a popular way for women to empower themselves right now because women have been forced or expected to be “delicate” and “fragile” for so many centuries as Lana describes herself. She can be a feminist in her passive and domestic self, but she shouldn’t bash other women for feeling sexually liberated in how they express themselves. She really has a superiority complex... I do like her music though. She just needs to understand that no one really cares about “making space” for “fragile women” in feminism because that’s been so widely accepted for so long. It’s not something women have had to fight for. But again, she can do whatever and be however she wants because if that’s what makes her feel comfortable and empowered so be it.
Are you saying that sex and stripping is bad?
Lana used to sing about the same thing.
"women have been forced or expected to be “delicate” and “fragile” for so many centuries as Lana describes herself." Except this is only the case for white women(like Lana). Black women have always been forced to be the "strong Black woman" who relies on no one but herself and doesn't have any emotions or vulnerability. It is also used to masculinize us because being strong is associated with masculinity due to sexism and it is used to say that Black women don't deserve to be treated with gentleness or kindness like other(namely white) women. So for Lana to label herself as more delicate and contrast herself with "stronger" women who "show off their body" and name majority Black women to do that, is incredibly racist and anti-feminist. You can be soft and feminine without being weak but in Lana's case she is just using that to uphold her white femininity and attack Black women by dismissing them, pigeonholing them, and stereotyping them.
she plugged those unnamed “Native American charities” like she’s saving us natives “out of the goodness of her heart”. Super Lana to the rescue of delicate women! 🙄
as a long time Lana fan, she clearly has some insecurities that she needs to deal with. she sees the hate comments and that's ALL she sees. her assuming that she has no one supporting her is so.. so tragic..
Yeah, it seems like she is insecure and lonely. But pain fuels art, you know?
Interestingly her songs are tragic.
@@StRanGerManY its what we hate but then we also love about her 😂 dammit
It also shows that her song writing are actually real and not completely ghost written. Oh well, she’s a lil disconnected to reality, and im not mad 😑 but kinda sad, also kinda loving it.
She gets a whole lot of hate for no reason
i remember hearing her songs in my brothers room throughout the night into the early summer morning and her songs make me so nostalgic. she has such a positive place in people's lives and the fact that she doesn't see that and only sees negativity is sad
"the issue was with female critics and female alternative artists *who are dissociated from their own fragility and sexuality* and berate *more sexually liberated* artists like myself".... wot. I still like her music but the lady is kinda delusional
"...like myself" Bruh
So only being LGBT is considered sexually liberated
maridona mschiz, Who said that? Did I miss something?
@@SirrSerpent read between the lines -.-
Lana del rey: brings other female artists dowb because they sing about sex and other more sexually explicit content
Also Lana del rey: it's not my fault these women aren't as sexually free as I am!
Pick one sis