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Before they had electronic everything Toyota made reliable tough vehicles. Now they join the modern ranks of all vehicles packed with electronics. Basically Shit.
All vehicle manufacturers are exactly the same, no exceptions. Their salesmen come across just like the best friend you lost touch with years ago if you walk onto the dealer lot to buy one of their overpriced vehicles. When it comes time for a warranty claim though, the niceties are over and they refer to the fine print in the sales contract that states that your vehicle engine problem isn't covered under warranty for any number of irrelevant issues, like you failed to polish the door handles at 10,000Km.
those corolla/camry hybrids will all still be on the road in 30 years. Most probably still with the original owner. The hybrid system is brilliant for mulling about on inner-city roads. The mistake they've made is trying to stick all that shit in things that are going to get thrashed about in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere. They used to actually test their cars in the middle of the Australian outback, which is one of the reasons they gained such a great reputation. Whatever that thing was, it obviously wasn't tested on anything other than a track.
why do you toyota guys buy so many.. ??..i had a ford bronco for 24 yrs. never any probs. cost 3.5k.. i fitted a d44 solid axle d60 rear. cost $1,500. raised about 6''. 35.s.. wheel base between toyota & nissan, but wider. more stable.. cv,s are a paint in the ass. why do japs continue with them. u.s. trucks have uni,s. $26. & 1.5 hrs to change, & no greesy mess..toyota lost the plot between the 60 & 80.. 60 had leaves, they fixed that with coils.. but they omitted the trans brake & went in disc.. also, the radius rods rip off the diff & chassis, as there thru bolt, not thru eye bolt. like nissan.. best thing about an 80, is low range 1st. nearly as good as my s/duty. 4.2tdi.. 02.. owned 9 yrs, never touched it. 700nm.. 180kw.. 14 lt 100..tows 4.5t. up hill in 5th.. mate has an 80. he,s scared to use 5th as they blow.. one of the hundreds of reasons why i wont buy a toyota.. too expensive, too gutless.. too cramped. too noisy. especially the junk 79 series. mate re built his 80 series calipers, he has 2 of them, they didnt fit the other.. ????... frigin jap sht.. '' but all the tracks are made for toyotas.''.. no there not. land rover made them.. IF. you bought an 80, & a gu nissan. you could have best of both worlds.. a decent 4x4.. seeing toyota use nissan diffs.. nissan have shorter coils tho. toyota has a better low range. better body..
Amazing how Toyota can diagnose a problem in a relative instant on a new model but a few episodes ago we learn of a poor gentleman waiting over six weeks of Toyota procrastination before they admitted the guys engine is stuffed and needs replacing under warranty.
The supposed diagnosis was just a cover story for design and engineering shortfalls, which Toyota doesn't presently understand, and doesn't intend to fix anytime soon.
Well that depends. I wouldn't say problems can be instantly diagnosed, anyone who thinks that doesn't know how the real world works. Sure you will get an error code, but there could be a number of things causing that code.
While we are at the “bogan Siri” development, can someone explain why we need a scan tool in cars today? I mean, we have a computer screen the size of an iMax theatre on the dash so why doesn’t it tell us every diagnostic a scan tool can do?
My guess would be they don't want the owner/Customer to access info about the car themselves. They want to make it difficult so it has to go back to the dealer to diagnose any issues ($$$)
@ then the car companies should have no reason to blame owners when things go wrong. They have the ability to diagnose faults but keep it secret from the car’s owners.
Have you ever done a scan, pulled a code then used that to repair? All the diagnostics can tell you is which component isn't happy or which parameter isn't being achieved, you then have to figure out why. If you want that capability just drop a few quid on a scanner but considering most drivers in developed countries don't even attempt to change a tyre what's the point in having that function built in, itd be as pointless as carrying a spare tyre.
"The manager's own personal car. He's only used it going to and from work". "The service department manager was going to buy this one but regretfully had to let it go for reasons that were beyond his control".
A friend of mine recently bought a Land Cruiser to tow his aluminium shitois to DPC. It got from Canberra to Wagga Wagga when it went poopie in its metaphorical trousers. Long story short, the dealer in Wagga diagnosed the cause - he'd driven it over a dirt road, which apparently you're not supposed to do. It took three months for a replacement engine to be obtained and fitted. Let that be a lesson to us all!
I say it is a misunderstanding of the name; your friend heard 'Land Cruiser' and thought it could cruise over any land ... no, no, no [chuckle], it can only Cruise on Land that is paved, if it hasn't rained for a few weeks; it isn't a Sea Cruiser ffs.
100% agree that The Golden Rule is NEVER BUY THE FIRST MODEL OF A NEW VEHICLE. Always, always, always wait for the mid-life update when the manufacturer has fixed the issues, ironed out the bugs and listened to feedback.
@dalehutchence5752 then you go right ahead and be the early-adopting fool who supports the fault-ridden, subpar, not-tested-as-extensively- as-it-should-have-been brand new models from car manufacturers... enjoy!
@@dalehutchence5752 sad thing is there are plenty of f00ls out there who have to be "the first to buy that new model" and these early adopters pay the price... I'm happy to sit back and let them tbh!
Perhaps an analysis of this is in order. If every new model was that bad no manufacturer would still be in business. Logically some vehicles will have faults but common sense suggests most new models both past and present will be ok. The problem now is, with such short model cycles and cars being disposable items, R&D isnt about improving durability, but just getting the vehicle to last for its designed lifetime which probably isnt much longer than the warranty period.
Suspect it’s mud interfering with brushes on the 48v alternator/starter and they didn’t want to give the reason away. This is exactly why that WA 4wd reviewer said a sealed alternator was his favourite upgrade on his 70 series. Fyi all military alternators are sealed, probably the first upgrade you should consider if you’re going off road on a new 250.
Totally agree. But my Toyotas just shat themselves this week in heavy flooding rain. Other cars got through no drama but my taxis have the alternators at the bottom and were destroyed by flooded roads. Oh what a feeling.
What a wonderful video to bookend a year of your scintillating reviews and commentary. Love your work. Have decided ‘shopping trolley’ is now a verb given your adaptation. Well done.
I'm fairly certain you can actually type fuck. We all know what it means. Also, I guarantee that he or possibly she (nobody knows what John got for Christmas) had a great break.
Never mind the water ingress, this can be easily fixed by avoiding water but wait till the 2.8L engines start to fail due to bearings and crank failures whilst heavy towing.
I visited a Toyota Dealership to check out the new Prado. After chatting with a salesman he suggested that I not buy one for at least 18 months. Go figure 😮 I am sure his boss would love to hear him make that comment.
Why worry about the air intake as a vehicle manufacturer when we know that the first thing you do with a 4WD is put a stainless steel 10” intake on a new vehicle. We all know that makes everything better.
if you are serious re a waterproof alternator see Perth Diesel site as they make a water cooled alternator that is totally waterproof and can run underwater... just for your Toyota.... but might be a damned good buy if you go miles offshore in your little boat that has a diesel engine....and you don't want to run out of electrickery way out there....
I did motor reviews for Holden years ago with their press cars.Holden head office had a blacklist of motor journalists who valve bounced and thrashed the crap out of their loaners.
That's a pity... they should actually have retained them as car testers on their own staff for finding the sort of problems that Holden should have been countering at the factory.... before the problems got out into the public.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk… building a quality vehicle was never the ethos of Holden engineering anyway!! Hence why they had a blacklist for those who pushed the engineering beyond its “purported quality” limits!😂
@@lukeclifton4392 Yeah, I drove Holdens (and Fords) at abnormal speeds (but legally for "The Job" ) for 24 years. There is nothing like setting up for a corner at 180kmh...and having the rev limiter arbitrarily decide to cut in...and out...and in...and out.... Mind you the driveshaft felt like a piece of liquorice flailing around under the car. Nothing like arriving (after flogging the 202 mightily ) at "a scene" and seeing and hearing the Holden spew 3 quarts of coolant on the ground as the radiator gives up...and the person to whom you wish to be seen as being in control...falls to the ground from laughter. Forward motion slowly ceasing as the Trimatic becomes Traumatic... Slowly coming to a halt as the 5 burly passengers in the new, much-promoted 1977 HX Holden with Radial Tuned Suspension .....weigh down on the rear suspension enough to pinch the fuel pipe closed... But I digress...
Why am I suddenly inspired, to go looking for a Holden Kingswood to buy, or an XW (is that one?) Falcon? Aaah, we just didn't know when we were well off, or how well off we were. Now look what happened. . . .
Exactly why the old pre computer stuff is crazy prices ive been looking for years for late 70 s early 80 s jeep cherokee v8 wagon but they sell as soon as they hit the market simple, strong, powerfull, comfortable, great turning circle , and no bloody computers n sensors everywhere to fail and a unkillable petrol v8... The 75 grand u save will buy petrol and servicing for 50 years...
Toyota used to make the most reliable cars. When reliability is the most important factor, Toyota used to be the king. That was why it was the car of choice by terrorist groups, warlords, rebel groups, etc around the world. I remember one of US military general (or some sort of high authority) said when Isis was at its strongest point (on how to easily defeat Isis): if we can magically replace all their Toyota with one of American truck.
If John is this hyped criticizing the Toyota's choice to locate the intake, just imagine if he took a look in some UK water crossings videos, with cars having their intakes low in the wheel arches.
You would think “if” a journalist in the very limited time of having a vehicle can cause a vehicle to become inoperable as a result of using the vehicle for its intended purpose, that the testing the manufacturer did, wasn’t very thorough. Also Car sales could have chosen not to reveal this experience that left them stranded. So good on them for letting us all know despite the consequences that may face from Toyota. Also like many have said, doesn’t matter which brand, there are always concerning issues with new product in at least the first year of it’s production.
I've done multiple deep river crossings in my 2016 Prado and have not once had any "malfunction". It's the pointless 48v system and the half arsed implementation of it that's the problem.
The water crossing that drowned it was not the lame water crossing they showed on their video. The crap all over the car, up over the bonnet, and on the windshield wasn’t caused by what they showed. Toyota should demand all their original footage
Yeah...demand the footage, or, better yet move the alternator from dragging along the ground filling up with mud, fish, rocks and road signs, and stick it up the top where all the other engine manufacturers have theirs. Yeah, let's demand that shall we?
@@bubbleboy468 It wasn’t designed to be a boat, they have specified wading depth and how to traverse water crossings. Being reckless will damage any vehicle
Most of the new prados and the Lexus gs I've seen are driven by people that most likely came from the same country as tata and Mahindra. Most will not even see a wet road until the second owner let alone go off road.
Wonder how much they paid Lego for the design? Lego missed a golden opportunity, they should have had Lego kits available for sale at Christmas this year for the aspirational buyers.
Still haven't managed to have any airbox problems on the 80 series diesel. I don't know if I can pin it down, but I get the feeling that in the mid nineties, Toyota were making a lot bigger attempt at durability and quality than they are now.
The original Land Rover V8 (Series III) vehicles had the starter motor right down the bottom. If the driver did not drive steadily through a river/stream crossing and allowed it to stall, he had to be towed out and wait the water to drain out of the starter motor, which happened quite quickly. Our female sappers actually listened to the instructions😁! Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Family down on the farm got their Landcruiser with 60000k on the clock bogged. Needed a tractor to extract it from the paddock. Would only function in limp mode. Local mechanic couldn’t fix it. Sent to Albany (W.A.), Toyota dealership couldn’t diagnose or fix. Trucked to Perth. Fixed. All sensors full of sticks, mud, sad…etc. $5000+.
Toyota must have done a collab with ford on how to let water into places it shouldn't be My 2005 fiesta was getting water in the spark plug valley from water dripping down from the window washer sprayers and also the top of the drivers side strut tower which has rusted the the nuts and bolts of it which i think may be due to the plastic trim at the bottom of the windscreen
17:43, totally agree, that's why I loved it when Tobacco Companies paid to sponsor Moto GP and F1 so I could watch it for free, and not even buy their product, those were the days.
Note to John; The Australian Car Reviewers Constitution, Rule 42, sub paragraph f requires all reviewers to correctly identify any and all fruit in their story. The fruit in this case was Mangoes John, Mangoes, not Peaches;-p
Engineers need to go back to design school and have ALL the basic functions that require a vehicle to start and move hard encoded into the engine management system as a get you home function (I know some vehicles have a limp mode !). Even if you have to click an ''I Accept" button on the dash that'd be fine by me. To have a car completely not start at all (here's where I am not buying Toyotas cloak and dagger explanation for this event) for a seemingly minor sensor detection is abysmal. There was another vehicle that was out bush when a rear wheel speed sensor wire got snagged by a stick and had broken the cable. The car would not drive at all after this. I get it that the ABS and traction control would not operate as designed, but to leave a vehicle STRANDED because of this, is design incompetence. Similarly a dash notification and "I Accept" option with an explanation of the issue and consequences would be far superior than being stranded with thousands of dollars in recovery costs for a broken sensor wire. I love high tech stuff, but it has to be as fool proof as possible for the BASIC vehicle functions.
As soon as I read about the 48V electric assistance on the front drive I thought, shit how long is that crap going to last, what a stupid idea. And here we are. When I look at the new 250 "Son of Prado" all I see is that crap FJ Cruiser with the round bits ground into a square shape. It's got "loser" written all over it, and Toyota says "Trust me"???? Like hell!
Toyota have been resting on laurels from a time when it was a novelty to have a car that didn't break down every Thursday, and they have been overtaken on every single metric by multiple other manufacturers long ago. Even 15 years ago when i was selling new Toyotas it was the same, and nothing has changed since.
I can't believe Toyota has gone so far down hill in quality and warranty. The only Toyota car I actually owned was a Celica and also 2 Hi Lux pickups. Never had any major problems. Basically tyres, brake pads, oil and filters with one pickup requiring tie rod end and ball joint. Even when they were worn out and my mum gave me her Corolla...no problems. I thought the fuel injected motor would get cranky with some kms on it but no. With 360,000km on it it was still doing well. I changed to Mitsubishi after that and never had trouble up to this day.
Not smart. At all. But drove my ldv v80van through about 500mm of water near buckety/lagarno, Hunter valley. Stupid yes. But stupider was driving out there without enough fuel to turn around. So kinda had to take the risk. Thank the all mighty that we got through. But a Toyota Prado should be able to go through some water without issue.
Funny how a supposedly crap chinese shitbox can wade through 1/2 a metre of water when a premium Japanese off roader cant go through some mud. Sounds like Prado driver could have saved $50,000 and got literally a tonne more payload and 7 more cubic metres of space.
The reality is...most new cars are junk not meant to last long past warranty, without a huge supply of parts. But even so, I would still prefer a Toyota over other manufacturers such as Stellantis or Kia/Hyundai.
John, you should be doing stand up comedy!! You really a wast of talent 🎙️🎤😂 and your auto advice platform is A1 no bullshit quality, thanks for the honesty buddy !!
You've missed out on an average, reasonably long lasting motor vehicle... beloved by the conservative penny conscious motorist. I must admit that I resemble that remark... Having also, at least once, owned a Bedford, a VW Beetle based kit car and a Jaguar... I am utterly grateful...for my sensible Toyotas...
Toyota was sent to the wall in early 2000’s in US because they were crap, and they avoided fixing or recognition of said crap, for years. It’s like the resent DPF, turbos, injector, shit show in Australia. If you keep buying a narrow range of vehicals from only one or two makers you don’t know what’s really around.
Well it is a Lady Cruiser, it's not meant to go off road. The only water fording they're meant to do is crossing gutters going into driveways, and the occasional pothole on the school run or shopping trip. Plus, it looks just like the type of vehicle you'd expect to do this.
John, you've got a bit of sound issue on the recent videos including this one. There is a constant and consistent hissing noise under the vocals in the recording.
Re Housos: John to reprise Angry Anderson's role. He's got the bone dome which would be necessary. Perhaps he'd be too tall for the part, but creative camerawork would fix that. "II'll thong ya!"
Maybe its still a 12v alternator, but they have a dc to dc convertor to bring the volts to 48 and maybe they are using the air box to cool it, thats the only way i could see the airbox causing the issues
@@Alex-tu9bh The 48V systems enable the engine stop-start system to be more assertive in the ADR / WLTP fuel consumption and emissions tests (urban cycle). This can make the lab test fuel consumption and emissions a fair bit lower - the latter of which is important in the context of NVES. The fact that it is pretty much pointless in the real world is irrelevant when you have regulations to deal with!
Have had a35 year old ford maverick carby model for 18 years now only mod electronic ignition regular oil changes , the basic maintenance stuff I can do myself and it will still go anywhere these electronic disasters will go and no dust in the system,royb
Higher voltage enable the use of lighter cables due to lower current draw for the same electrical load. With regard to hybrids: I can't tell you anything worthwhile.
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Before they had electronic everything Toyota made reliable tough vehicles. Now they join the modern ranks of all vehicles packed with electronics. Basically Shit.
And right away Toyota warrantee department saying "Not covered" lol
All vehicle manufacturers are exactly the same, no exceptions. Their salesmen come across just like the best friend you lost touch with years ago if you walk onto the dealer lot to buy one of their overpriced vehicles. When it comes time for a warranty claim though, the niceties are over and they refer to the fine print in the sales contract that states that your vehicle engine problem isn't covered under warranty for any number of irrelevant issues, like you failed to polish the door handles at 10,000Km.
Not Covered. You're not supposed to take it off roading. It's only meant to look like you can.
You can take a Hyundai N out on the track and use all the track mode rev matching, you'll still be covered
“How the actual fuck can water in the air filter effect the 48v generator” 😂 took the words right outta my mouth
After years of buying new Toyota’s, I concluded that there are no good new cars. Next up I’ll be buying a 80 series and completely refurbishing it.
Yuck
Great choice.
Better use if your money imho.
those corolla/camry hybrids will all still be on the road in 30 years. Most probably still with the original owner.
The hybrid system is brilliant for mulling about on inner-city roads. The mistake they've made is trying to stick all that shit in things that are going to get thrashed about in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere.
They used to actually test their cars in the middle of the Australian outback, which is one of the reasons they gained such a great reputation.
Whatever that thing was, it obviously wasn't tested on anything other than a track.
why do you toyota guys buy so many.. ??..i had a ford bronco for 24 yrs. never any probs. cost 3.5k.. i fitted a d44 solid axle d60 rear. cost $1,500. raised about 6''. 35.s.. wheel base between toyota & nissan, but wider. more stable.. cv,s are a paint in the ass. why do japs continue with them. u.s. trucks have uni,s. $26. & 1.5 hrs to change, & no greesy mess..toyota lost the plot between the 60 & 80.. 60 had leaves, they fixed that with coils.. but they omitted the trans brake & went in disc.. also, the radius rods rip off the diff & chassis, as there thru bolt, not thru eye bolt. like nissan.. best thing about an 80, is low range 1st. nearly as good as my s/duty. 4.2tdi.. 02.. owned 9 yrs, never touched it. 700nm.. 180kw.. 14 lt 100..tows 4.5t. up hill in 5th.. mate has an 80. he,s scared to use 5th as they blow.. one of the hundreds of reasons why i wont buy a toyota.. too expensive, too gutless.. too cramped. too noisy. especially the junk 79 series. mate re built his 80 series calipers, he has 2 of them, they didnt fit the other.. ????... frigin jap sht.. '' but all the tracks are made for toyotas.''.. no there not. land rover made them.. IF. you bought an 80, & a gu nissan. you could have best of both worlds.. a decent 4x4.. seeing toyota use nissan diffs.. nissan have shorter coils tho. toyota has a better low range. better body..
Amazing how Toyota can diagnose a problem in a relative instant on a new model but a few episodes ago we learn of a poor gentleman waiting over six weeks of Toyota procrastination before they admitted the guys engine is stuffed and needs replacing under warranty.
The supposed diagnosis was just a cover story for design and engineering shortfalls, which Toyota doesn't presently understand, and doesn't intend to fix anytime soon.
Well that depends. I wouldn't say problems can be instantly diagnosed, anyone who thinks that doesn't know how the real world works.
Sure you will get an error code, but there could be a number of things causing that code.
One of their problems is they can’t diagnose problems at the dealership.
This is making my 20+ year old Land Rover Defender look ultra reliable. Keep up the good work!
The Christmas gift we all needed, JC having a go at Toyota. Thanks John, I needed this. Oh what a feeling.
While we are at the “bogan Siri” development, can someone explain why we need a scan tool in cars today?
I mean, we have a computer screen the size of an iMax theatre on the dash so why doesn’t it tell us every diagnostic a scan tool can do?
My guess would be they don't want the owner/Customer to access info about the car themselves. They want to make it difficult so it has to go back to the dealer to diagnose any issues ($$$)
Most people can't even be bothered to open the owner's manual.
@ then the car companies should have no reason to blame owners when things go wrong. They have the ability to diagnose faults but keep it secret from the car’s owners.
@@Rockbottomsurf 💯 agreed
Have you ever done a scan, pulled a code then used that to repair? All the diagnostics can tell you is which component isn't happy or which parameter isn't being achieved, you then have to figure out why.
If you want that capability just drop a few quid on a scanner but considering most drivers in developed countries don't even attempt to change a tyre what's the point in having that function built in, itd be as pointless as carrying a spare tyre.
It's also important to leave the stereo on full volume when you return it😉.
The hire companies love that too
Funniest thing is that Prado will be on the lot as a demonstator model soon.
Yeah , low km’s dealer demo🤣
Your wife’s boyfriend will probably buy it
@@southerncharity7928 Troll alert!
"The manager's own personal car. He's only used it going to and from work". "The service department manager was going to buy this one but regretfully had to let it go for reasons that were beyond his control".
A friend of mine recently bought a Land Cruiser to tow his aluminium shitois to DPC. It got from Canberra to Wagga Wagga when it went poopie in its metaphorical trousers. Long story short, the dealer in Wagga diagnosed the cause - he'd driven it over a dirt road, which apparently you're not supposed to do. It took three months for a replacement engine to be obtained and fitted. Let that be a lesson to us all!
Pathetic, obviously.
Just wait until they force us into electric utes
I say it is a misunderstanding of the name; your friend heard 'Land Cruiser' and thought it could cruise over any land ... no, no, no [chuckle], it can only Cruise on Land that is paved, if it hasn't rained for a few weeks; it isn't a Sea Cruiser ffs.
If you read the uses manual. You will find Toyota landcuiser and Prado are not meant to go off of the black top. It voids the warranty 😂
Every 4x4 company says that. But then all it's marketing material is shown off the tarmac @ballsyau1974
I don't know what it is with your timing, but these video uploads of yours always seem to arrive at the best time. Cheers John.
Cheers, Sambo. All the best mate.
100% agree that The Golden Rule is NEVER BUY THE FIRST MODEL OF A NEW VEHICLE. Always, always, always wait for the mid-life update when the manufacturer has fixed the issues, ironed out the bugs and listened to feedback.
Well if everyone did that no manufacturer would sell any cars and they would eventually all go broke
@dalehutchence5752 then you go right ahead and be the early-adopting fool who supports the fault-ridden, subpar, not-tested-as-extensively- as-it-should-have-been brand new models from car manufacturers... enjoy!
Like software companies, car companies now beta test their latest plastic crap out in the market place on poor unsuspecting consumers
@@dalehutchence5752 sad thing is there are plenty of f00ls out there who have to be "the first to buy that new model" and these early adopters pay the price... I'm happy to sit back and let them tbh!
Perhaps an analysis of this is in order. If every new model was that bad no manufacturer would still be in business. Logically some vehicles will have faults but common sense suggests most new models both past and present will be ok. The problem now is, with such short model cycles and cars being disposable items, R&D isnt about improving durability, but just getting the vehicle to last for its designed lifetime which probably isnt much longer than the warranty period.
Suspect it’s mud interfering with brushes on the 48v alternator/starter and they didn’t want to give the reason away. This is exactly why that WA 4wd reviewer said a sealed alternator was his favourite upgrade on his 70 series. Fyi all military alternators are sealed, probably the first upgrade you should consider if you’re going off road on a new 250.
Isn't the 48v motor generator inside the transmission?
I wonder the special 48v alternator cost
Totally agree. But my Toyotas just shat themselves this week in heavy flooding rain. Other cars got through no drama but my taxis have the alternators at the bottom and were destroyed by flooded roads. Oh what a feeling.
A clean Prado....in a shopping centre carpark.... sounds like most Prado's I know! Next stop the school carpark!
Come on, they might have a gravel drive to surmount 😁
What a wonderful video to bookend a year of your scintillating reviews and commentary. Love your work. Have decided ‘shopping trolley’ is now a verb given your adaptation. Well done.
John for F sake stop working and have a beer. It's Christmas 🎄 ❤
Happy Birthday to baby Jebus.
@@davidwild66 🤣🤣🤣
Money to be made. Chill
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I'm fairly certain you can actually type fuck. We all know what it means.
Also, I guarantee that he or possibly she (nobody knows what John got for Christmas) had a great break.
Blows my mind that the Land Cruisers have their alternator on the lowest part of the engine!
Never mind the water ingress, this can be easily fixed by avoiding water but wait till the 2.8L engines start to fail due to bearings and crank failures whilst heavy towing.
Why would anybody who knows anything about towing heavy, buy a Prado?
@ yep, but muppets know SFA
Makes me appreciate my 12 year old Prado 150
Oh what a shafting, toyota!
Straight in, no kissing. YESSSSSS!
I visited a Toyota Dealership to check out the new Prado. After chatting with a salesman he suggested that I not buy one for at least 18 months. Go figure 😮 I am sure his boss would love to hear him make that comment.
Maybe he was buying mangoes for the jaGuar Christmas Party 🤔
Why worry about the air intake as a vehicle manufacturer when we know that the first thing you do with a 4WD is put a stainless steel 10” intake on a new vehicle. We all know that makes everything better.
Unless you don't seal every little crack and join in the entire intake system....
lol.
Obviously the alternator was located in the air-box...you know to protect it from water.
😅😅😅😅😅😅
That's fukn hilarious 😅😅
if you are serious re a waterproof alternator see Perth Diesel site
as they make a water cooled alternator that is totally waterproof
and can run underwater...
just for your Toyota....
but might be a damned good buy if you go miles offshore in your little boat that has a diesel engine....and you don't want to run out of electrickery way out there....
Were you going to do a video on Nissan, Honda and Mitsubishi joining together?
That would be interesting.
Hey John, that scratching on the paint is called "bush pin striping"
I did motor reviews for Holden years ago with their press cars.Holden head office had a blacklist of motor journalists who valve bounced and thrashed the crap out of their loaners.
That's a pity...
they should actually have retained them as car testers on their own staff for finding the sort of problems that Holden should have been countering at the factory....
before the problems got out into the public.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkexcept abuse is different to testing enthusiastically. Ve's and VF's were very publically tested.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk… building a quality vehicle was never the ethos of Holden engineering anyway!! Hence why they had a blacklist for those who pushed the engineering beyond its “purported quality” limits!😂
@@lukeclifton4392
Yeah, I drove Holdens (and Fords) at abnormal speeds
(but legally for "The Job" )
for 24 years.
There is nothing like setting up for a corner at 180kmh...and having the rev limiter arbitrarily decide to cut in...and out...and in...and out....
Mind you the driveshaft felt like a piece of liquorice flailing around under the car.
Nothing like arriving
(after flogging the 202 mightily )
at "a scene" and seeing and hearing the Holden spew 3 quarts of coolant on the ground as the radiator gives up...and the person to whom you wish to be seen as being in control...falls to the ground from laughter.
Forward motion slowly ceasing as the Trimatic becomes Traumatic...
Slowly coming to a halt as the 5 burly passengers in the new, much-promoted 1977 HX Holden with Radial Tuned Suspension .....weigh down on the rear suspension enough to pinch the fuel pipe closed...
But I digress...
Hire car companies also have the same for those who smash the rev limiter before the oil light goes out in front of them...
The Toyota haters gonna hate, oh but it lasted longer than a ranger.
That doesn't mean we have to love toyota...
Well obviously it didn't, did it.
Why am I suddenly inspired, to go looking for a Holden Kingswood to buy, or an XW (is that one?) Falcon? Aaah, we just didn't know when we were well off, or how well off we were. Now look what happened. . . .
don't know about Kingswood's but XW Falcons are rare! good luck finding one in any condition.
Exactly why the old pre computer stuff is crazy prices ive been looking for years for late 70 s early 80 s jeep cherokee v8 wagon but they sell as soon as they hit the market simple, strong, powerfull, comfortable, great turning circle , and no bloody computers n sensors everywhere to fail and a unkillable petrol v8...
The 75 grand u save will buy petrol and servicing for 50 years...
I dunno, I'm pretty happy he gave it a wash before going peach procuring.
It looks heaps better all clean while being loaded on that tow truck.
“Toyota reliability is a brain virus”, that is pure Gold.
Yes, and every 2-bit aussie has it.
Toyota used to make the most reliable cars. When reliability is the most important factor, Toyota used to be the king. That was why it was the car of choice by terrorist groups, warlords, rebel groups, etc around the world.
I remember one of US military general (or some sort of high authority) said when Isis was at its strongest point (on how to easily defeat Isis): if we can magically replace all their Toyota with one of American truck.
If John is this hyped criticizing the Toyota's choice to locate the intake, just imagine if he took a look in some UK water crossings videos, with cars having their intakes low in the wheel arches.
You would think “if” a journalist in the very limited time of having a vehicle can cause a vehicle to become inoperable as a result of using the vehicle for its intended purpose, that the testing the manufacturer did, wasn’t very thorough. Also Car sales could have chosen not to reveal this experience that left them stranded. So good on them for letting us all know despite the consequences that may face from Toyota. Also like many have said, doesn’t matter which brand, there are always concerning issues with new product in at least the first year of it’s production.
I've done multiple deep river crossings in my 2016 Prado and have not once had any "malfunction". It's the pointless 48v system and the half arsed implementation of it that's the problem.
The water crossing that drowned it was not the lame water crossing they showed on their video. The crap all over the car, up over the bonnet, and on the windshield wasn’t caused by what they showed. Toyota should demand all their original footage
Yeah...demand the footage, or, better yet move the alternator from dragging along the ground filling up with mud, fish, rocks and road signs, and stick it up the top where all the other engine manufacturers have theirs. Yeah, let's demand that shall we?
@@bubbleboy468 It wasn’t designed to be a boat, they have specified wading depth and how to traverse water crossings. Being reckless will damage any vehicle
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?" every IT person ever.
What is wrong with new Toyotas? My 2006 Toyota with over 206,000 miles (331,000 km) is still going strong.
That’s correct 2006, can you speak for something else, no.
DEI engineers
My 2005 100 series 435,000 no chip standard muffler still going strong paint work a bit faded
2005 Prado V6 6 speed manual,
326000km, original clutch, great vehicle
Does the intake cool the battery?
Most of the new prados and the Lexus gs I've seen are driven by people that most likely came from the same country as tata and Mahindra. Most will not even see a wet road until the second owner let alone go off road.
Farrrrk you're funny. You made 2024 (almost) bearable. Merry Xmas.
I hope you had a Merry Christmas John!
Sweet vid! Merry Christmas.
Wonder how much they paid Lego for the design?
Lego missed a golden opportunity, they should have had Lego kits available for sale at Christmas this year for the aspirational buyers.
Still haven't managed to have any airbox problems on the 80 series diesel.
I don't know if I can pin it down, but I get the feeling that in the mid nineties, Toyota were making a lot bigger attempt at durability and quality than they are now.
The original Land Rover V8 (Series III) vehicles had the starter motor right down the bottom. If the driver did not drive steadily through a river/stream crossing and allowed it to stall, he had to be towed out and wait the water to drain out of the starter motor, which happened quite quickly. Our female sappers actually listened to the instructions😁! Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
😂😂 Just finished a swing in the Pilbara my hilux dash was like a xmas tree flashing lights and 3 different visit the dealer messages after we had rain
Family down on the farm got their Landcruiser with 60000k on the clock bogged.
Needed a tractor to extract it from the paddock.
Would only function in limp mode.
Local mechanic couldn’t fix it.
Sent to Albany (W.A.), Toyota dealership couldn’t diagnose or fix.
Trucked to Perth. Fixed. All sensors full of sticks, mud, sad…etc. $5000+.
But it never rains here in Albany 😅
Toyota must have done a collab with ford on how to let water into places it shouldn't be
My 2005 fiesta was getting water in the spark plug valley from water dripping down from the window washer sprayers and also the top of the drivers side strut tower which has rusted the the nuts and bolts of it which i think may be due to the plastic trim at the bottom of the windscreen
But I need to have the new model before the Jones's. I'll spec the snorkel and she'll be right mate! Right?...
17:43, totally agree, that's why I loved it when Tobacco Companies paid to sponsor Moto GP and F1 so I could watch it for free, and not even buy their product, those were the days.
Cicadas producing industrial levels of noise!
It's deafening outside.
So that's what the noise I can hear is...?! Aha. Must be warm in Aus. 👍🏻🇬🇧🎄
There's something called "active noise cancellation " look into it or pay for an AI tool to seperate your voice
Note to John; The Australian Car Reviewers Constitution, Rule 42, sub paragraph f requires all reviewers to correctly identify any and all fruit in their story. The fruit in this case was Mangoes John, Mangoes, not Peaches;-p
7:27 margarine? FFS use butter! Lol
I am just following the official guidelines, dude. They're in the Constitution for a reason.
Engineers need to go back to design school and have ALL the basic functions that require a vehicle to start and move hard encoded into the engine management system as a get you home function (I know some vehicles have a limp mode !). Even if you have to click an ''I Accept" button on the dash that'd be fine by me. To have a car completely not start at all (here's where I am not buying Toyotas cloak and dagger explanation for this event) for a seemingly minor sensor detection is abysmal. There was another vehicle that was out bush when a rear wheel speed sensor wire got snagged by a stick and had broken the cable. The car would not drive at all after this. I get it that the ABS and traction control would not operate as designed, but to leave a vehicle STRANDED because of this, is design incompetence. Similarly a dash notification and "I Accept" option with an explanation of the issue and consequences would be far superior than being stranded with thousands of dollars in recovery costs for a broken sensor wire. I love high tech stuff, but it has to be as fool proof as possible for the BASIC vehicle functions.
Agree - except the road recovery business the car manufacturers probably make additional revenue off would all go out of business?
It's much better than the Shark EV crap! 😂
"all the neighbours know about his peach problem"...😂
As soon as I read about the 48V electric assistance on the front drive I thought, shit how long is that crap going to last, what a stupid idea. And here we are. When I look at the new 250 "Son of Prado" all I see is that crap FJ Cruiser with the round bits ground into a square shape. It's got "loser" written all over it, and Toyota says "Trust me"???? Like hell!
Toyota have been resting on laurels from a time when it was a novelty to have a car that didn't break down every Thursday, and they have been overtaken on every single metric by multiple other manufacturers long ago. Even 15 years ago when i was selling new Toyotas it was the same, and nothing has changed since.
Unoffcially, JC's Upload of the Year (UoTY).
Yeh JC, Jesus Christ man!
Review outcome - EVs (hybrid or full) and off-road uses don’t mix. A bit like water and air boxes.
'Oh, not a feeling'. And while I like my 2019 Prodo vx, my doubts of picking a Prado next time are looking doubtful
Is the tilt tray more than a 12% hill. 🤣
Those are clearly mangoes, not peaches, John…
...or very large apricots!
Some of your best work. Cheers
Toyota sends its most dishonest executives down to Australia. I'm not sure if it's punishment or self-defense
Mr Tor was lucky that he wasn't at a newer supermarket where the trolley wheels lock up if you try and push it out of the car park
I can't believe Toyota has gone so far down hill in quality and warranty. The only Toyota car I actually owned was a Celica and also 2 Hi Lux pickups. Never had any major problems. Basically tyres, brake pads, oil and filters with one pickup requiring tie rod end and ball joint. Even when they were worn out and my mum gave me her Corolla...no problems. I thought the fuel injected motor would get cranky with some kms on it but no. With 360,000km on it it was still doing well. I changed to Mitsubishi after that and never had trouble up to this day.
Another reason to keep my FJ Cruiser...
100 Series. The End.
Your videos are always full of ideas and creativity. Thank you for the inspiration!🦎☃️💶
Whats going wrong at Toyota?
50 years of durability and reliability being pissed up against he wall, for what?
Awesome, thanks John, enjoyed that immensely 🖤
Not smart. At all. But drove my ldv v80van through about 500mm of water near buckety/lagarno, Hunter valley. Stupid yes. But stupider was driving out there without enough fuel to turn around. So kinda had to take the risk. Thank the all mighty that we got through. But a Toyota Prado should be able to go through some water without issue.
Funny how a supposedly crap chinese shitbox can wade through 1/2 a metre of water when a premium Japanese off roader cant go through some mud. Sounds like Prado driver could have saved $50,000 and got literally a tonne more payload and 7 more cubic metres of space.
The reality is...most new cars are junk not meant to last long past warranty, without a huge supply of parts. But even so, I would still prefer a Toyota over other manufacturers such as Stellantis or Kia/Hyundai.
Your videos always bring a piece of joy and positivity into my life. Thank you for your warmth and light!🚘🦮🍒
The only man i listen too for Car Advice
They been taking taking advice from Land Rover for many years if you hadn't noticed.
John, you should be doing stand up comedy!! You really a wast of talent 🎙️🎤😂 and your auto advice platform is A1 no bullshit quality, thanks for the honesty buddy !!
Why have I never owned a Toyota? Can't imagine why.
You've missed out on an average, reasonably long lasting motor vehicle...
beloved by the conservative penny conscious motorist.
I must admit that I resemble that remark...
Having also, at least once, owned a Bedford, a VW Beetle based kit car and a Jaguar... I am utterly grateful...for my sensible Toyotas...
Cant afford one?
You know fuck all about automotive engineering?
Toyota was sent to the wall in early 2000’s in US because they were crap, and they avoided fixing or recognition of said crap, for years. It’s like the resent DPF, turbos, injector, shit show in Australia. If you keep buying a narrow range of vehicals from only one or two makers you don’t know what’s really around.
Glad to see you were able to get you script at this busy time of year.
Can't even escape the noise of cicadas watching a john cadogan video 🤣
Well it is a Lady Cruiser, it's not meant to go off road. The only water fording they're meant to do is crossing gutters going into driveways, and the occasional pothole on the school run or shopping trip. Plus, it looks just like the type of vehicle you'd expect to do this.
That's the best poem I've heard I'm a long time ⌛️:)
Pretty funny John.
Merry christmas.
Your videos always manage to cheer me up even on the grayest day. Thank you for your cheerful creativity and positive approach!🥓🎤🏝
John, you've got a bit of sound issue on the recent videos including this one. There is a constant and consistent hissing noise under the vocals in the recording.
John has a large family of cicadas camped out the front of his place. They are like the in-laws who have outstayed their welcome. 😂
Re Housos: John to reprise Angry Anderson's role. He's got the bone dome which would be necessary. Perhaps he'd be too tall for the part, but creative camerawork would fix that.
"II'll thong ya!"
And people pay a $100000 for these. As Morgan Freeman once said in Batman Returns, "Good Luck with that".
Maybe its still a 12v alternator, but they have a dc to dc convertor to bring the volts to 48 and maybe they are using the air box to cool it, thats the only way i could see the airbox causing the issues
48v means it has hybrid assistance?
Mild hybrid. Basically, a joke.
The weight of the system probably kills half the benefit
@@Alex-tu9bh The 48V systems enable the engine stop-start system to be more assertive in the ADR / WLTP fuel consumption and emissions tests (urban cycle). This can make the lab test fuel consumption and emissions a fair bit lower - the latter of which is important in the context of NVES. The fact that it is pretty much pointless in the real world is irrelevant when you have regulations to deal with!
Have had a35 year old ford maverick carby model for 18 years now only mod electronic ignition regular oil changes , the basic maintenance stuff I can do myself and it will still go anywhere these electronic disasters will go and no dust in the system,royb
Merry xmas John.
Why generate 48 volts? Am I missing something?
Mild hybrid runs on 48V
Just enough to call it hybrid without having to actually invest anything eeal into it.
Higher voltage enable the use of lighter cables due to lower current draw for the same electrical load. With regard to hybrids: I can't tell you anything worthwhile.
It’s clearly designed for driving up hills and mountains and not through water. It’s in the name dude! 😂
Your videos are always so deep and heartfelt. Thank you for your creativity and sincerity!🔶🐪🦁
Wbat does the 48v system charge johnno???
Another informative video, thanks John.