Why have we Demonised Diesel Engines ? - They are BRILLIANT ! | 4K
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Not that many years ago we were are encouraged to buy diesel engined vehicles. Then 'Diesel Gate' happened and they suddenly became the worst thing ever and we were all told to buy EVs. Well I currently have a diesel powered Land Rover Defender as a long termer and the engine in that car is absolutely brilliant. I thought we should have a chat about diesel vehicles and their role in today's transportation system.
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Rudolf Diesel would be incredibly proud of what the modern engineers have done with his technology. And also amazed!
He would. Diesels have over 100 years of innovation behind them.
So would Herbert Akroyd Stuart. Someone rarely mentioned but actually more relevant (and a British engineer).
Fiat's modern common rail technology. Changed diesels when they sold the design rights to Bosch.
@@terryo5672electric cars have over 150 years of innovations behind them. There is actually way more electric motors in this world than all ICE ever made.
@@carholic-sz3qv not sure the electric motor has innovated much - Magnetic coil + electricity = rotary motion. It’s always been batteries that received the innovation, unless like electric trains you can have OH power.
I used to be a vehicle tech in The RAF, in training, we went into detail about how efficient the diesel engine was compared to petrol.
Had the same experience during trade training in the Army. We all laughed at our diesel instructor when he explained how diesel’s were superior to petrol. Been driving BMW diesel’s for years!
@@simongibbs3936basically, all of you are the worst and nastiest thing that happened for car culture on this planet. You don't understand squat about driving, driving pleasure, driving involvement and engagement and all of you are ignorant enough(in more ways than it should) about why diesel cars are awful for our society; but heey, as long as you got 40-50 miles more per tank, then scr.ew the pollution, scr.ew the cancer giving diesel noxes and fumes, scr.ew the driving pleasure. The important is to get a slightly higher mileage with the same amount of money, right?(in complete disregard with the higher purchasing costs and higher maintenance costs... basically, diesel owners are the shining bright lights of our society.., unfortunately for them, no one knows it😢.. and that's too bad because they could have led us all into our promised future) #suchashame, not!
yes diesel engine 30% efficient electric vehicles 90% efficient....and the evs don't stink
@@whocares264 EV's are the second biggest con perpetrated on mankind after religion. Nowhere near as green as the fucking woke climate nazis would have you believe.
@@whocares264now compare whole of life CO2 emissions, especially given a diesel vehicle will easily last 20 years if looked after well.
Absolutely brilliant Pete, finally someone standing up for the diesel engine, I bought a 2 year old Ford Focus in late 2014, (my first diesel car) best decision I’ve made in buying a car, it was the £20 a year tax that made it for me, then I realised very quickly that my fuel bill had halved while still doing the same mileage. (my previous car was a 1.6 petrol focus) Towing our caravan is a breeze, so much easier than a petrol. Nearly 9 years later I still have said car and have had very little go wrong with it, just over 130.000 on the clock 50ish mpg around the town and still going strong, what more could you want, personally I wouldn’t have any other vehicle but a diesel powered one.
Towing any caravan with a Focus is downright dangerous. Smallish front drive car should not tow anything. But yes when in England I saw this practice,, I doubt Ford would ever condone it. I doubt an insurer would either when involved in an accident.
@@ldnwholesale8552 what are you on about?? Ford focus isn’t a small car, medium sized that has a 1500kg kerb weight and has a 1280kg towing capacity as stated on V5, and with full comprehensive insurance.
@@any-car-will-do He must be a Yank. Anything smaller than a Hummer is "smallish". Then if you look at the size of those people, it may make sense.
@@ldnwholesale8552easy to consider a Focus a smallish car, but not long ago it would have been considered large, and at 1500kg, a similar weight to a lot of 4WDs.
And with the ABS, stability control etc, they can be very capable towing.
Should have got the 1.6 tdi golf Zero road tax in the UK and easily 600 miles a tank
I have owned three diesel cars and own one now. It is a Peugeot 308 and does up to seventy miles to the gallon. I drive up to Peterborough from Portsmouth and back again and still have half a tank of fuel, when I get back. It's a shame that the manufactures decided to cheat on emissions as I bought this car in 2014 as a main dealer demonstrator with about 4000 miles on the clock and it has now done about 95,000. The engine is a good as the day I bought it.
I'm suspicious of this ongoing 'diesel cheating' campaign. Part of the diesel hate campaign!
Diesel... yes! Could not agree more with you, but the main problem is called politics, not reason. Keep on the good work.
100% correct. It’s frustrating (and even damaging too) when politicians ignore facts.
Totally agree 👌
1000% wrong. Diesels are the worst type of engine every invented from the noxes pollution pov. Basically, diesel fumes kills us faster and uglier than gas fumes does..and this is not an opinion, it is science. Also, uneducated ppl used diesel powered cars in town.. because, yeah, why not?, because that's why diesels have been invented, to sit in day to day traffic and give lung cancer to children. GOD forbid any driver should use them as per intended purpose, which was, low rpm, long distance, basically, the way in which a diesel engine has its best efficiency.
Not to worry diesel lovers, you can(and already are) atone for your sins by purchasing electric cars... which, of course, as we all know, will save the planet... saving it by moving the pollution and noxes from under our noses to other places on this earth. #we are saved, now and forever!, praised the diesel and ev lord and saviour and bless all those who purchased those type of cars. The fact that ignorance is bliss has never ever been more reprezentative for any society in history....basically, we, as a specie, become dvm.ber and dvm.ber with each generation.. and soon, we will all live in an idiocracy.
p. s. and you are correct, politicians are to be blamed... but not for taking away your diesel, no.., they are to be blamed for making you a dummie who does not understand squat from the world in which he lives; I salute you for that.. as is probably great for you.. it must be, considering the ignorance lvl.
The main problem is Particulates! Some just don’t get it, 40k related deaths is OK I guess!
@@davedyer3654 so you’re more worried about particles than atmospheric gasses? I’m not saying we shouldn’t worry, but it’s pick your poison. My 2018 Passat bi-tdi is euro 6 rated, my 2018 outback 3.0 drinks that heavily Ide hate to think what it is.
Diesel is more fuel efficient so less litres burnt per mile, less burnt is less pulled out of the ground. And I’m glad Ped covers electric power generation. That’s genuinely someone without bias, just facts
Absolutely, another vote for a Jaguar XF 3.0 TD. I have owned my 2009 car for 11 years and love it. Very fast off the lights if you are so inclined, because of the massive torque. But also more importantly, at 70 mph it is only doing about 1700 rpm so extremely economical on the motorway at 43mpg. It is the best modern car I have ever owned and will not sell, even though living in the new proposed ULEZ zone will have to pay £12.50 which is a total rip off con. It is probably better to pay it, than buy a newer less reliable full of electronic problems car that will depreciate heavily.
I have Jag XF, and I concur.
Have a particulate filter fitted, and retest emissions !,
I too have a Jaguar - a lovely classic S type 2.7 Twin Turbo D built in 2007 - and like you i get a fantastic mileage. I had a Jaguar XE 2 lt petrol before - more modern but nothing like as satisfying to drive - in my case in rural Dorset. in addition my present Jaguar is MUCH simpler electronically cruises like yours at well under 2000RPM and also much less to go wrong. Finally it was less than a quarter of the price i got for my 2018 XE and has a much better MPG of course
Yes, It’s torque that helps to accelerate, the horsepower only determines the top speed.
An older BMW 520d does 0-100kph in 8.8s while the 520i would take 10s to get to 100kph.
I owned a 2009 XF 3.0 TD myself but my normal driving did not naturally clear the DPF so I had to do special runs to clean it out. I loved the car but found several things started to go wrong with it. I have since owned a Mercedes S class and a Volvo S90 and had no reliability problems with either of them (the Merc was actually 6 years older than the Jag which I bought after I sold the Jag). A friend of mine worked at Jaguar for a few years and it is an issue with jaguar that stuff starts to fail after a while. Silly things like door handles sticking out so the door won't lock or the boot release not working except on the key fob (2 issues I had) and the supposed sealed gearbox should have an oil change before 100K miles or you risk an expensive gearbox repair. Jaguars look great and they are lovely to be in but the reliability is not there.
I drive a 2016 530d Touring. Buckets of torque across the rev range paired with the 8 speed ZF makes it so effortless to drive, as well as making it feel significantly quicker than the 258 bhp figure would suggest - sub 6 second 0-60 and an easy 50mpg on the motorway is hard to beat!
Easy to beat with electric cars...
@@whocares264🐑 🐑
@@whocares264… but no range on an EV
I’m glad you made this video. I prefer a diesel engine to a petrol engine. They are much more fuel efficient and the midrange torque is so much better than a petrol engine. Diesel engines are perfect for everyday driving. I still think diesel is the way to go.
That's why I got a twin turbo diesel crv as compared to the 2.4 cvt crv. Much better fuel economy, torque and 9 speed auto. I've managed 23 km/l on a highway, and 20 km/l (56 mpg) is easy to do. Over the life of my vhicle I've gotten 16km/l (45 mpg).
Thank you!
I am a diesel fan, but then also am a high mileage motorist. I also ride a motorbike and getting stuck behind a petrol car, even a new one, I can smell the unburnt petrol fumes which at times can make me nauseous. Putting aside the rare smokers, this never happens following a diesel.
I miss my golf TDI, should have kept it. Loved that car with the low end torque.
Absolutely agree, I am on my second diesel, the first bought new in 2004 a Mondeo 2.0 130hp served me well for 14 years. I have family in Berlin and visited them 3-4 times a year, plus we would also travel all around Europe, hence my clocking up 242k. I only parted with it due to rising maintenance costs. But thanks to the extended Gov scrappage deal in 2018 I changed it for a Hyundai i40 diesel 140hp, which is also being utterly brilliant. Probably due to it's 70ltr tank I can now get from home to the outskirts of Berlin on a single tank, that 632 miles door to door (not including the wet bit after Dover) and I usually still have 80-100 miles left in the tank, dependant on traffic, roadworks etc. If I was to be forced to use a 'milkfloat' then it would most likely take a full 2-3 days with all the recharging that would be involved, not to mention the additional costs of hotel(s). I'll stick with my oil burner until Bio Fuels or Hydrogen get sorted out properly.
I like how diesels drive, the effortless torquey pull of them is so relaxing. But as I rarely do more than a 20 minute drive, the DPF realistically prohibits me from getting one.
Every month go onto a motorway and tank it for 20 min that should be hot enough to burn the particulates off.
Modern petrol engines are coming out with particle filters now too!
The reason that you get huge amounts of torque is because it has a turbo charger, a petrol engine would also have huge amounts of torque if it had a turbo charger. I don’t think diesel’s even have more torque than petrol the myth was created by the statement that diesel’s have more torque at lower RPM and what is meant by more is not more than petrol but more than what occurs at higher RPM. The only reason they are used in trucks is for efficiency.
@@Cooliemasteroz Edit: It turns out I'm wrong. See counter example by @timhill7674 below. Original comment below for transparency:
That's not entirely true. Diesels tend to still have a bit more torque per litre of displacement. It might be because of their higher compression ratio, or because they're built to handle more boost. I don't know the specifics exactly.
Buy a diagnostic tool and make it do a forced re-gen from time to time, anyway I'm sure you do more than 20 miles from time to time?
I totally understand the need to move to “greener” engines. In my household we have an EV and a diesel but I agreed diesels still have a place on our roads. If we want to make a substantial decrease in emissions this has to be done globally. We need to support and work together so that all the world’s vehicles get cleaner and more efficient. Restricting the U.K. to hybrids and EVs while in the USA oversized gas guzzling V8s still rule makes no sense.
Also totally agree with you on the D300 engine in the LR. It’s so smooth, responsive and efficient.
We need more c02 not less! It's already at dangerously low levels (400ppm) much lower and we're looking at an extinction level event ... these so called "climate experts" are nuts
I couldn't agree more - diesel got unfairly condemned for the actions of one or two cheating manufacturers. I maintain an old (2005) Peugeot 407 with the 2.0HDI turbodiesel (also shared with Ford's of the same era) in Northern Ireland for when we visit and it's a brilliant thing, even after 150,000 miles - still wafts along delivering 45-50 mpg on a steady run. No imminent ULEZ restrictions on the island so far, so I shall keep it!
45-50? Mine gets 54-56 mpg over 10k miles ;-) 65mpg on a run. 75mpg if I eco drive, fantastic engines, ultra reliable. Last I heard, PSA / Ford didn't have to fluff their numbers and cheat. Most likely because these engines are used in industry standard testing for all sorts.
Older diesels get better mileage as they have less emissions mitigations.
@@edc1569 And they pump out toxic clouds of smoke in the process. Thankfully here in France about a million a year are being scrapped now.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Oh come on!..EVs were barely a twinkle in Elon Musk's eye when VW were found cheating the emissions test and EV sales were hardly registering on the total sales figures. The fact is that as we learn more and more about the damage toxic air does in our cities, the more we need to speed up the elimination of ICE generally, especially diesels. Leaving the CO2 aside you can't get rid of the sulphur dioxide, NOX and particulates which damage lungs and nervous systems of those living near main roads. London has seen good results from the ULEZ zone and is quite rightly wanting to expand it. For further evidence check out the air quality improvement in Oslo over the past 10 years where 25% of all vehicles being used there are electric now. Get over your obsession with 'engines', and accept that electric motors are the way to go.
I always look for the torque-figure and at how low revs it comes in. Power means nothing to me. High torque at low revs (1800rpm) makes for effortless, smooth driving 😎
Power determines top-speed only. It’s torque that does the acceleration. Cars are hardly ever driven at top speed and never without acceleration. 🤓
It's true what they say, power sells cars, torque wins races.
@@Conservator.Power is what gives you acceleration. Get a motor with half the torque and twice the power and gear it down correctly and it will out accelerate the lower power motor. Also power band is important. If the power is high for only a few hundred RPM it is also not very useful unless you have a CVT.
@@franciscoshi1968 peak power is usually only at a small range at high rpm that you’ll hardly use and certainly not for long.
When talking about the power of an engine we are referring to its peak power and that will determine the top speed.
Torque usually is far less dependent on rpm and can therefore be used over a longer range and will help to accelerate faster.
@@franciscoshi1968 As an example:
2010 5 series BMW 2l engines
0-100kph, top speed, power, torque
Diesel 8.1s, 227 kph, 135kW, 380Nm
Petrol 9.6s, 224kph, 125kw, 210Nm
Agree entirely. Our late 2014 BMW 320d (non-x-drive) with ZF8HP does circa 750 miles on a tank when we go on long trips over to Continental Europe. As a daily driver the only competition to get similar mpg around town is a very light weight city car. We have a 75bhp UP Bluemotion which achieves so very similar mpg, but to do so on the motorway you have to reduce your speed down to 63mph (GPS speed) as it is very speed sensitive above this wrt reduction of mpg. Btw, both vehicles have cruise control which once on the motorway I try to use almost 100% of my journey. Keeping a constant speed i believe also contributes to increased efficiency.
Most people have no idea what they are talking about when they criticise diesel. They've been told its bad so they just believe it
I have a Discovery 5 with the same engine as your Defender and we use it for big journeys where we often see 6.9L/100kms fully loaded, which is more economical than my wife's 3 cylinder, 1L Turbo VW T-Cross around town. Just a delight to drive and quite rapid. All this talk about EV's but there's no way you could take one of those fully loaded into the outback areas of Australia. Love the diesel.
Correct use and a electrical or hybrid to buzz around town
@@bdeithrick I had a Tesla but it was awful to drive, awful to look at and awfully built. Maybe the new one is better but I don't think quality is priority #1 at Tesla
Completely agree! High mileage driving suits a diesel. My 200k mile Mini proves that (had it from new). The racing at Le Mans a few years ago showed what could be done with diesel, particularly with Audi leading the way. Electric cars have their place for city / local short drives, but as a working vehicle, diesel is technology that works.
I fully agree. My diesel Passat cost a lot less than a Tesla, and has a range of 850 miles. If I visit my son, for example a round trip of 226 miles, I would worry getting there and back on a charge, and would have to worry about finding a charging station, adding at least an hour to my day, and that is if there is no queue.
We have a Skoda Octavia estate 1.6 diesel (67 reg), and it’s an incredibly clean engine. Super-reliable and the emission stats are off the chart! We drive to Cornwall, Scotland and The Lake District from East Essex on a regular basis. An example being our last trip back from St.Ives costing about 35 quid in fuel, for four people and lots of luggage (approx 370 miles).
Had a 330d e92 M Sport coupe a few years back, straight 6 loads of torque and it never seemed to run out of breath, amazing to drive. So easy to drive too, no need to thrash the engine and overtakes were over almost before you had decided to make the pass. Best car I've owned and miss driving it. Now driving a Fiesta 1.6 diesel to work and back, 75 miles a day monday to friday, averaging 61mpg with no tax makes a v cheap commuter car but not as much fun as the 330d!
I am a retired diesel mechanic so I am in favour of the engines principles and its many advantages but what I am not in favour of is the layer after layer of complex tech and emissions that the engines are now saddled with. In times not so long ago your common diesel would be bullet proof and easily last 500,000 miles or more with basic servicing. They were not rockets but they were dependable and not likely to leave you stuck in an inconvenient place. Well the complexity I spoke about has changed that along with the far lighter build changes to their base components. Oil consumption in modern diesels is terrible and this leads to inlet manifold blockages and sensor fouling and then DPF problems. The cost involved with fixing this stuff is eyewatering but wait there is more, the cost of electronic injectors and other common rail components means that cars as young as eight years old will be written off because the engine is to expensive to fix. here in Australia it is common now to see people stranded in vehicles away from capital cities because the knowledge and parts to fix a vehicle are not available and so tow operators are called in to pick the vehicle up and bring it home. Even then the expertise to fix it is not always there. back where the modern diesel 4x4 broke down you will see plenty of 20 or 30 year old Toyota Landcruiser's running around reliably with their slow but strong and reliable diesel that can be fixed in most regional centers far from cities. You know what gets a laugh every time? looking at someone driving a Defender or another super expensive 4x4 sitting in the middle of a creek crossing with water slowly rising inside the vehicle because it stopped. Petrol vehicles have the same problems but they are a little less expensive to fix, but not much. There is a price to pay for the benefits of that complexity and its reliability and repair costs.
My 2021 BMW 330d X drive touring easily does over 50mpg on my 50 mile commute (best ever was 59). That’s 15 miles on country roads, 30 on the M1 and 5 across the city all in an hour, so not hanging around. It will also do 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and is super quiet. It’s ULEZ compliant too. I can’t think of any petrol car that would come close to the combination of economy and performance. Oh and I used to tow a 1.5 tonne caravan with it. It still pulled hard and did 30mpg with all that drag. Incredible car. They do a quicker one too, the 340d. It’s a shame we’re being ripped off at the pumps though when the wholesale price of diesel is now lower than petrol yet they still charge more. The commercial diesel vehicle drivers who have no reason to shop around for the best price when they aren’t paying for the fuel themselves are part of the problem I believe. So the garages can just keep taking higher margins.
As for all the company car plug in petrol hybrids (every 3 series I see on the motorway is a 330e) when are the government going to wake up to the fact that many of these are not being plugged in overnight? They are driving around with flat batteries and burning LOTS of petrol. Yet they incentivise them with the BIK tax breaks.
I do 35000 miles a year as a working musician. My 520d MHT touring does it perfectly well and it easily achieves 58 mpg. Electric just wouldn’t suit me at the moment. The negative with modern diesels is that if you only do short runs they become unreliable. All the school run mums with dci Qashqai’s suffered big repair bills with clogged EGR’s and DPF’s😂
I 100% agree, Diesels are great, I have an older 2014 2.0 TDI ATM, Was going to buy a new(ish) 330d but I only do 6000 miles a year, so was strongly advised against it as the EGR and DPF will rarely get hot enough to do regen and eventually that will turn into some big bills.
Tool for the job!!
@@Graham_Shaw
Also agree. I run a 59 plate Passat 170 tdi with 125k miles on the clock. It gets v regular long distance/motorway use with decent mpg. With proper servicing, I expect it to last a v long time indeed. It's main carbon footprint (its manufacture) happened sometime in 2009. I hope that politicians are genuinely reckoning the FULL carbon footprint of EV policies.
Friend of mine had 520d too. Regularly gets 700 miles from a tank. But it is an 07 plate so folks want it scraped. Complete bolux.
To visit my son is a 226 mile round trip. My diesel will do that 3 times with over 100 miles left in the tank, and based on experience. A Tesla might do it, but do I really believe the claimed ranges? Finding a charging point would be needed for peace of mind, especially in winter.
DPF , EGR , DI and possibly DMF are the four codes that one needs to get familiar with before buying a diesel. Granted, not every Diesel powered car has DMF , but the modern safety nets force cars to be driven or used in a specific way in order to keep them running well , ERGO long journeys vs short cycles dictate whether a DIESEL or PETROL is the right engine for you.
You don't necessarily avoid the possible issues of a DMF by buying a petrol car. My Subaru Outback has a DMF - I would be happier if it didn't.
Sorry to break it to you but most modern petrols also have DI, DMF, EGR and PPF/OPF.
The ones which don't will have soon.
You're going to be getting the whole lot of emissions carp weather you like it or not.
I'm all for it if its well designed, reasonable, well set up and durable.
EGR is mostly a daft idea. Great principles and I understand why it looks good on paper but the implementation is woeful and always has been. Not helped by DI which then doesn't wash off the sludge the EGR inevitably throws up. There are better ways to do this.
On the other end of the scale adblue kills nox and the only downside is about 10kg extra to carry about and having to refil a tank now and then. Well worth it.
As for whats best - for short runs I would try to get a pre-2017 auto petrol so no ppf, DMF and likely no DI to worry about. EGR has been on most things since the 90's so you're only going to miss that one if you choose from the very few which don't use it.
A plug-in hybrid can do anything - local, distance - makes no real difference. Downsides are they are usually expensive, usually have boot space eaten or no spare wheel well and compared to a straight ice more to break. Of course they also have two power sources and both can be used only when they are at their best so they should last a very long time too.
Diesels are the most thermally efficient even to this day and thats not going to change anytime soon. Add to that that diesel contains more energy than petrol anyway and they will always give more horsepower hours per gallon so the more work you are going to ask of it (higher speeds, larger loads, etc) then the more it falls in favour of a diesel.
I can think of no use case currently where a large battery ev makes sense over one of the options above unless you live in the middle of nowhere, have a massive solar array, only drive every few days or less, never do real distance or go on holiday with a full car/etc, never tow, never do anything spontaniously and enjoy the aroma of your own f4rts so much that you turned vegan and drive around with a constant smug look as you watch your adoring followers wishing they were you.
Maybe not all that last part but a decent enough bit of it.
My opinion of diesel engines is entirely based on reliability - in my opinion they peaked around 20years ago when the likes of Volkswagen, Toyota and Volvo were still making engines that weren't so heavily emissions restricted that would do hundreds of thousands of miles care free. Think of old golfs, jettas, carina, avensis etc. So many engines are plagued with problems now - mazda and subaru fuel dilution, chocolate cranks in land rovers, peugeot derived engines in all manner of vehicles which are total junk and riddled with faults etc. Its why a small petrol engine is my go to these days.
You haven't tried a Vauxhall. i've been running Vauxhall Diesels for 23 years now, all 2 litres [3 cars} Not GMC Europe now though , that's the shame . so would have to be second hand 👍👍👍👍
I agree. I used to like the old XUDT Pug engines but once they went to HDi its been a mess ever since.
I'm all for emissions devices if they are properly engineered and work long term but I can't help thinking egr's and so on have done more harm than good with so many cars having problems form poor running to being scrapped early.
Thats not progress. Thats playing the game on the emissions test.
I like dsl but the modern era 2012 on ward is complete junk.
Do coal fired power stations still exist ? We don’t have any in Scotland. There is one gas fired power station, but it is rarely used. It’s really just a back up to renewable electricity generation, about 1% of annual consumption.
There's one in England and one in Northern Ireland but only accounted for 1.5% of the UKs electricity last year. Unfortunately, the Westminster government is anti onshore wind, so we still use gas to produce about 38% of our electricity. England does import some of Scotland's wind energy, though, so thank you for that 😊
I have an international audience 👍
Well said Ped! …. and folks shouldn’t forget that petrol engines also emit NOx and particles.
I drive a private hire car and picked up a customer a while ago and he couldn’t believe that I had an 800 mile range on a tank of fuel.
He had recently moved to an EV with a 150 mile range and was seriously considering selling it due mainly to range anxiety!
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If a dual mass flywheel clutch is still required by a modern diesel engine, then caveat emptor. We gave up on our diesel Rav 4 because £500-600 for a new clutch every couple of years was ridiculous. The clutch for the petrol version of the same car was £180!
We had one of each, both manuals (obvs) and, lovely as they were, their clutches died with monotonous regularity. Not down to our heavy wellies, either, we've both been driving since 1975 and these were terrible in that one regard
Currently driving a petrol automatic.
For 20 years my series 3 109 safari was 2 1/4 petrol, highly tuned, with cylinder head skimmed, valve timing adjusted, timing advanced and carb bored out, it returned 20 mpg, provided I was under the bonnet, tweaking it every week... The last 10 years, it's had a 200 TDi lump in it. I rarely look under the bonnet, mainly just check the oil, it starts 1st time rain or shine, returns 31 mpg either on a run, or around the lanes, regardless of road conditions. It pulls like a train, all bottom end and then the turbo kicks in. The Drover was crying out for it. Couldn't be happier. Go back to petrol? No chance. And you're right, I even pull our caravan with it.
Hi. Having been part of the launch of this engine it’s nice to see you giving it a great review. You should contact the Engine plant in Wolverhampton and do a tour.
Thanks for the idea 👍
@@PetrolPed We're only just up the road from there, pop in for a cuppa😀
Straight sixes are great!
Would you know how the JLR 3.0 diesel compares to the one from BMW? I’m just curious.
Am I correct that this is a derivative of the Lion diesel?
If so, has and how has the issue with suspect 3 main crank bearing been addressed ?
An excellent, well-reasoned video. Thank you for highlighting the benefits... and this from a petrolhead.
I have the D200 in my Disco Sport and, apart from some annoying turbo lag I'm am very happy with it. Averaging 45-47 mpg on short to long runs. Enjoyed your run past the Selsey Arms, Chilgrove and up to the Trundle, makes me a little homesick back here in sunny Cairns!
Buy a diesel in 2029 and watch it appreciate in value like a house in Kensington !
V6 Diesel Cayenne (Euro 5), Volvo V40 D2 (Euro 6) and a Boxster 718S, our mixed fuel collection. Still driving Diesel cars since 1984!
I remember hiring a diesel vauxhall and driving from Somerset to Blairgowrie in Scotland and then three days of exploring the highlands before I needed to put fuel in the tank. So efficient even 20 years ago.
I had a 2011 Jetta TDI and loved it. I would still be driving it if it was not for an accident, the reason I bought it diesel was cheaper at the time and it came with $2000 Canadian government grant to buy diesel, it did 1000 km on a tank. I loved the way it went up steep hills.
Mazda CX60 3.3l turbo diesel is fantastic and really good economy too. I always wondered why PHEVs didn’t use turbo diesel engines more often. Torque to recharge the battery whilst on the motorway then electric in town when the diesel is less efficient.
A very well balanced post, well done Peter 👍
My wife and I have on occasions regretted selling our Merc GLA 220 4Matic (diesel). It was such a good car. All the anti diesel horror stories that were circulating about 5 years ago made me think twice about diesel ownership. Now on our second petrol hybrid, all very good and positive and a far better bet at the moment for us over an EV.
We've talked briefly once before , the 1st diesel car I drove was a PUEGOT 504 borrowed , could not wait to get out of it. Many years passed and I found myself behind the wheel of a 280 C E Mercedes, just a test drive you understand, but I fell in love with that car. What an experience my driving became smooth ,quiet and the way things were at that time my journey times became shorter, I arrived home after a day behind the wheel and felt happy and relaxed, ready to just enjoy my evenings and repeat as often as necessary . the years rolled by I changed cars , I was 32 when I bought that 280 I'm in my 70,s now and once or twice I tried petrol cars (just to be open about them) but I sit now behind the wheel of my diesel twin turbo well filtered Mercedes. Last week drove from Cumbria to Cornwall over to Plymouth then home again(couple of nights stops at both). The only change in this journey , motorways 4 live lanes and as I drove I felt slightly uneasy to notice that many of the lane safety cameras were obviously pointing up ,down, or at right angles to the carriageway , I always felt safer on a motorways than A,or B roads for obvious reasons and I feel that the the Police, the Highway Department and the Government are putting motorists at an increased risk on these motorways . Feels more like a kill zone in the event of even a flat tire. Sorry to have added that last bit, but most of us have families who mean everything to us, do the people doing this to us not have the same ?
Bought an A3 diesel as a bit of a stop gap between ordered cars but love it. 65mpg on my daily motorway commute. Reminds me of a Škoda Fabia Vrs diesel I had back in the day. Great engines.
I read a article about exhaust particals on a petrol engine are smaller than the partials from a diesel engine exhaust
Diesel engine? Absolutely. Did 200k in my Skoda Octavia 1.9 Tdi, absolutely epic and averaged near on 50MPG. Have a VW transporter now, euro 6, 2 Litre Diesel absolutely ace and an effortless mile muncher. This obsession with EVs is ludicrous and completely unrealistic. Great video Pete.
I did 30,000 miles in my Skoda Superb 1.9TDi, 95% on a motorway, all above the limit. Nothing ever went wrong and as hard as I tried I could not get below 45mpg. Changed company, was given a 2.0 litre petrol engined car. My average consumption dropped to 24mpg for the same sot of driving.
I have a 2013 Vauxhall Insignia 2.0 litre, with just over 242,000 miles on the clock, I do approx 84 miles a day on motorways getting roughly 55 to the gallon but if I ease off the go faster pedal can get above 60 mpg. My car was in for an MOT recently it passed.
18,000+ltr diesel burned, costing some £25,000+ to cover those miles 😮
@@SeanPowellThat’s still less money than a Tesla model S (probably the only EV option back then) would have costed.
I own a 2020 evoque diesel. On Friday I drove from Sheffield to Duxford and return 5 up and with full fuel and gear in the boot and returned 58.7 per gallon. No complaints from me.
Bought my 1st diesel this year (Audi Q5) and what with acquiring 2 dogs, a caravan and a family, it suits me down to the ground. It may be a tall heavy 4x4 but I still get 42mpg on short local trips and 48 on long motorway trips.
The most environmental advantage they have is they last a very long time if looked after and that in itself saves a huge amount of carbon
Yep 👍
Even a Diesel engine cannot match an electric motor for durability. A diesel is also more complicated, has less torque of course than a motor but it's biggest problem is that no amount of ad blu or Euro n standards can take out the nitric oxide, sulphur dioxide and particulates.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270The motor isn't the problem, the lithium ion battery is. I have a 7 year 5 month old 35 k mile Nissan Leaf with 33% 4 bar battery degredation. I also have a 19 year old MX5 and a 15 year old Mercedes E Class diesel, both in perfect working order and both with the ranges they had when bought by me new. I will never buy another EV ever again. they are just inferior and not fit for purpose long term.
@@stevezodiac491If you’ve got 33% degradation after less than 100,000 miles and 8 years Nissan warranty should be your next step - and then sell it with the new battery pack if you dislike it so much.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270finally some common sense. congraz!
Its great to see someone actually testing a diesel & being honest
I'm all for electric cars in city's & they make so much sense for old aunt Mable who goes to get her papers everyday & goes shopping once a week
But for those of us who love driving for work & pleasure & do lots of miles but still need to drive on a budget a diesel is the better option & in most cases the only option
I love my diesel mondeo & I'll be running her until there is no more diesel then I'll put her in my garage alongside my mk2 granada 2.8 estate & my rover sd1 v8
My kind of person 👍
I will argue that aunt mabel shouldn't have an EV. Far better to use the batteries in busy vehicles like taxis and delivery vans.
@@the_lost_navigator7266
I totally agree
But the technology isn't really there for vans
Not ones properly tested in real world scenarios
We have 3 electric vans at work
They look nice because they are brand new
But
They can't carry the loads that they say they can nor can or do they do the claimed range
Infact no even close
They say it can do 200 miles when in fact its more like 120 which is poor considering the people who buy these want them to carry loads etc
Thanks 🙏🏻
I drive a Volvo S80 Saloon with a 2.4 detuned Audi Diesel engine that in-town returns 45.8mpg and on a long run - on holiday - gives up to 58mpg !
I have a diesel and it's ULEZ complaint and it's CO2 rate is only £30 A year as it is so clean. The fuel economy is over 65 mpg on a long run and over 50 mpg around town
Why does everyone question the origin of the electricity that an EV uses as you need more electricity just to create the diesel / petrol than an EV uses to go 1 mile? The origin of the electricity has no impact in the comparison.
it's not so much the cost of batteries but the ridiculous amount effort and processing it takes for the components of the batteries themselves that have the most environmental impact. Huge amounts of land are devastated to extract the small amounts of lithium and other chemicals needed to create batteries. This is the main factor against EV's.
Love my Defender D250 and totally agree with you. It’s incredibly refined and a fabulous piece of kit for munching the miles. Twin this with our little mini electric for all of our short journeys into the local villages and I think we have the perfect combo. Unfortunately diesel has been given a bad name from diesel-gate but totally unjustified imo as well.
My favorite diesel engine of all is the 2.4 5 pot what was fitted in Alfa Romeo 156’s what went from 136bhp then 140bhp then 150bhp then the Multijet ones came in what finally took the engine to 210bhp and went from the 156 into the 159 /Brera/ Spider .
That 5 Cylinder growl reminded me of the Audi Quattro.
Great engines economy & torque .
Out of a 2003 156 2.4 5 Cylinder 150bhp i was getting 840 miles per tank per month and i am sure the car could do more as the gauge was on 1/4 tank when i refilled it .
Very good points you're making!
Just bought a new diesel-engined car today. Hope I will not experience a lot of typical diesel problems which the new Euro 6.2 diesels are prone to.
But, I'm happy again, driving at 2k rpm :)
a good blast once a month will keep your engine running just great.
I’ve always wanted a diesel but here in the states I just don’t need one for my life style. I do have a 2500 truck but it’s a gas engine. Maybe one day I’ll own a diesel truck. I could see getting a diesel before a electric though.
Great video Sir Pete and thanks for talking about diesels
We have a 2016 Euro 6 compliant diesel which has just worked superbly with a full load and towing a trailer to Cornwall. However, when you back it in the garage or one passes you in town you just cannot escape the particulates and fumes. The UK power grid is now pretty much coal free and when for the majority of trips we use our Golf size EV I have to say it is a much better power source the majority of the time. No local emissions, lower national emissions as the grid gets greener every year, low maintenance and running costs, but most of all just lovely to drive. Finances don't permit us to change our diesel at the moment but the diesel is a dying breed and although I can appreciate a good diesel can be a joy to drive, I don't think I'm that sad about it.
if a euro6 diesel is smelly and you can see fumes it probably needs a good service!?!
Bollocks. Euro6 fumes are negligible. And coal 'fumes' these days are negligible. Brainwashed by green dogma.
Agree 100% - In Australia and New Zealand given the distances, remoteness and need for reliability and versatility, torque (towing) etc.. it’s pretty hard to beat diesel when combined with ad blue and other emissions tech.
So many manufacturers are effectively pulling out of this region leaving Toyota, Ford, Isuzu as the only affordable players in this space with diesel suv and 4x4 options.. especially Ford Everest, Ranger, Hilux and new Prado.
My 2019 Merc GLE400 with a 3ltr straight-6 is a phenomenal pairing. Bags of power, tons of torque. Quiet, refined. Currently paired with a small electric car for local shuttle runs. Will be replacing with a full size electric SUV (Kia EV9) next year but due to our circumstances not any bad feelings about diesels at all.
Thanks Ped. I am an EV convert, but I still remember fondly my BMW 3.0 V6 and my Audi 4.0 V8 diesels, they were terrific engines. I appreciate your perspective in this video. However, even a numpty like me can detect some panic out there. 'I can't have a diesel car beyond 2030', 'I have to have only an EV after 2035'. This is just not true. New diesels and petrols won't be available after 2035, but there will still be good, used ICE cars on the roads for decades to come. People can still enjoy ICE engines for DECADES.
Ped, you have a fan base, you have VISIBILITY. Please use this to reassure people that ICE vehicles are not banned from 2035 and if they really don't want to go EV then they don't HAVE to. Whenever you talk about the impending regulation changes, please add reassurance that used ICE vehicles will still be available and totally legal.
Fully legal ?
The UK government are ending new sales of diesel and petrol from 2030.
I used petrol vehicles for over thirty years but for the last12 years I have used diesels and I would never go back to petrol they are far superior vehicles an many ways.
I’ve just gone back to a diesel automatic Kia optima estate. What a great combination. Love it. Cheap to run comfortable and loads of space. Would love to take the electric plunge but don’t think the uk is ready yet.
Who doesn't remember the famous quote "I love the smell of DIESEL in the morning" from Apocalypse Now (1979)? 😢
i love my diesel! (seat leon 2.0 184) so easy to drive and really forgiving. averages high 40's low 50's mpg (i've got a heavy right foot!). if the weather is snowy it can pull away in 2nd or 3rd gear no problems. also, vehicle manufacturers always talk about 0-60 times, but when does that ever matter in real world driving? really should be 30-70 times which is where a diesel excels (i.e. overtaking slower moving vehicles).
Acceleration times are completely pointless... As long as the vehicle isn't glacial in acceleration. Because most people, most of the time, just pootle along casually. A car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds and one that does it in 10 seconds, I'd drive it the same. Makes no difference, as acceleration is hampered by the person ahead and legal limitations (speed cameras, safety etc)
Totally agree, diesel engine has great low down torque for towing. 1.5 euro 6 TDCI in my ford and it returns 50mpg. 👍
I own a BMW 530d F11 tourer and it’s a pleasure to drive mated to its ZF8 speed box. It’s fast, relatively frugal and its colossal torque makes driving effortless, plus its adaptive drive makes it a Jekyll and Hyde car if wanted.
My last car was a Honda Accord 2.2 ictdi tourer and with the cruise control set at 55mph on the M4, I averaged over 80mpg on an economy run and that was loaded up with camping equipment. My friends Prius doesn’t even manage that.
I have a 15 year old Mercedes E Class CDI. The car itself still gets 52 mph on a long dual carriageway type run and it is a very big car. It's brimmed range is a massive 650 miles not towing and even towing a 7. 5 metre 4 berth caravan 300 miles to Bunree recently, it still had a quarter of a tank left when I arrived. It never, ever misses a beat. Wonderful car !
i run as a daily a 1998 bmw 525tds E39 manual 1550 kg car...returns 4.6 liter / 100klm 2 valve straight six diesel engine ...25 year old car 345,000 klm i expect it to do another 200 ,000 klm before i need to look for another car , i expect then only trouble after 100.000 klm.modern cars are far to heavy,,,,,,, P.S made and built in germany dont think new ones are
Absolutely agree. Without the diesel engine the world stops . I own a ten year old a jag xf 3.00 ltr diesel , 57 mpg on a run and averaging 40 overall. Super comfort and goes like a hairy bear. What’s not to love .
Great video as always. I would say it is a case of 'horses for courses' especially when it comes to towing!
Thanks for the Vid, we love our 2013 X3 2.0d had since new, really struggling what to get next. Most journeys we do are 8 plus miles in the country so as you described suits a diesel and we drive to Austria every year 1000 mile in one or two days each way, so again perfect for diesel. Leaning towards 3.0d X3 next as a last fling with the ICE before they go forever.
Rangz Rover Evoque 2.2 TD4 - a real motorway muncher in luxury style. PDF easily dealt with on urban cycle periods. Mid-West France to South-West Spain in 13 easy hours with one top-up! Do that on a battery car. It's only the peasants that provide the problems.
My Honda Accord tdci engine circa 2007 was a work of art, absolutely loved it especially after it was retuned to around 200bhp and it was cleaner and quieter than most. I'd do a bit more digging as your film is full of inaccuracies, many Euro 6 diesel models are a disaster waiting to happen with dpf related issues. EV's being charged via coal power stations just isn't true, they now account for around 2% of UK power generation which is negligible.
I was thinking of getting a bmw X4 coupe with the 2.0 l diesel engine - anyone have any suggestions or recommendations
About a year ago I swapped a Lexus Petrol Hybrid for a BMW 740 diesel. The Lexus couldn't better 30mpg. My BMW manages about 48mpg. NOBODY can tell me the BMW isn't vastly more efficient. Plus it's fast, quiet, does over 800 miles on a tank and looks way better too.
First let me say that I agree with your general point. Diesel has gotten a bad wrap, and I think there are several reasons for that. People still remember the old diesels and how bad they smelled because they burned oil (not the diesel, but the oil lubricant). I still hate sitting behind those old diesels. New ones don't smell like that and don't burn oil, and they are simply more efficient than gasoline cars (sorry how we call them in the US). Also you are right that hybrids are better than diesel in almost every way, but why aren't there hybrid diesels? Those would be even better. In fact if there were diesel hybrids it would make the EV transition take even longer, because we would be comparing an EV to an 60-80mpg car. And you are right if you are towing, a diesel is a very good choice. Though the hybrids will now do it more efficiently, again, why are there no diesel hybrid trucks? I have really been confused by how slow diesel was to catch on in the US, but I think by now it is really not the best option. Hybrids are just as cheap (almost) have better efficiency and just as much power. But just comparing a Diesel to straight gas today, hard to imaging why there are not more diesels... and I can't understand why there are no diesel hybrids, it seems a no brainer.
Ok, that left out EVs entirely because I think they are really 2 different markets, with only a little overlap. If you need to tow or need long range people buy a diesel (or a gas hybrid). If they don't need that and can plug in at home folks buy EVs. EVs are clearly not capable of filling all the niches yet. But one thing you said that is not correct is the line about the coal power plant powering your EV. First if you want to take that line you need to look at the actual power generation in your market and see what will be powering your EV. In the UK today coal is like 1.5% of the energy production, natural gas is nearly 40%, wind is 27% and nuclear is over 15%. Even solar beat out coal by 3x in the non-sunny UK. An EV will produce much less emissions given any power grid just due to efficiency gains, but given your power grid it will be much cleaner. Remember that EVs are about 80%+ efficient where as even diesels are maybe 30% efficient at turning diesel into torque. Power plants are much more efficient even if we are talking natural gas (50% or so), and they are cleaning burning to boot. The is no comparison between an EV and a diesel in how much pollution it creates, EVs win hands down, and every peer reviewed study has found this to be the case.
That doesn't mean they work for everyone, and as you mention, lots of folks still have a great choice with a diesel, but most of those folks are better off with a hybrid. Both are no hassle, the hybrid is more efficient (slightly), and really close in price. You could make an argument for either, but for me the regenerative breaking throws it to the hybrid. Again though (repeating myself) no idea why we don't have hybrid diesels....
@@retiredbore378Good information, thank you. For a parallel hybrid that makes sense why they don't use a full-sized diesel engine with electric assist. But it would still be great for a series hybrid and/or a PHEV. In both of those cases the petrol engine is not constantly coming on and off. It kicks in when the battery needs charged and just runs consistently until it is no longer needed, which may be until you can plug in, or stop. There was a story about a decade ago when there was an X prize for the first 100mpg car that BMW made a series hybrid diesel electric hybrid that made 100mpg, but then never decided to move forward with it. So clearly it can be a winning design, just not with the typical parallel hybrid design that is so popular today.
Thanks for this 👍
Mercedes make hybrid diesel cars, like the 300 De.
@@mikereinhardt1244 VW made the Lupo 3L tdi back in 1998. This did 100mpg. Effortlessly. In a series production vehicle. In fact, they rolled the tech out across to Audi who made an A2 3L TDI, and shared it with the sister Seat Arosa. All over twenty years ago. All straightforward diesels. Very very little mentioned in the English speaking world about them though they were popular in Europe
@@davehayhurst1780 Fascinating, in the US none of those were ever available, or at least I never saw any of them on the market. I can't fathom how those were not massively successful if they made 100mpg. How can that have been ignored?
Its the PM2.5 particles they emit along with woodburning stoves
Brilliant video as always, very informative. However I know of two people recently who have had to fork out 4 figure sums to fix the DPF systems on their cars, both were not long out of warranty. One was a Jaguar XE, 3.5 years old with less than 30k on the clock, other was a 2016 Peugeot 208.
Briefly had a Citroen diesel. After nine days the engine light came on. Got it diagnosed, DPF was fubar. Suspected injector problem made smoke which clogged the SCR cat which collapsed into the DPF. Would be £2k to fix if anyone actually had a new DPF. Rejected the car obvs.
I can't see how Diesel cars were a problem with Buses, Bin Wagons, Fire Engines, Trucks, Trains and Tractors etc. in mass proliferation.
Wonderful overview and insight into diesel engines. Well done PP, we can never forget the torque that a diesel engine gives us, especially in a bigger 4x4 type vehicle.
Until the Tesla driving fraternity give up flying off for their skiing trips and consuming products from all over the globe, I think I’ll feel just fine zipping about in my M340d, while getting 50 to the gallon….agree with your point, in the real world diesels are just far superior
Great review,we should be sticking up for “clean diesels “more.
Brilliant explanation and giving clarity to the positives for diesel. The technology that is now being used addresses most of previously identified issues so don’t dismiss it without thought.
Thanks 🙏🏻
Absolutely! The 3.0 Twin Turbo engine in my Jaguar XF S is an absolute gem.
Sure is 👍
I've always loved the Diesel Engine. Infact I have got the New Audi S4 TDI . ITS brilliant and will not be selling it any time soon.....
Nice 👌
Good timing, Ped. Great topic!!! I just bought BMW F31 diesel... only a 320d but surprisingly peppy with a 1600kg car. So far so good...
Had our F31 from 18 months old, so 7.5 years now. Same engine, superb all rounder. Yeah, I'd love an F31 Alpina D3 biturbo but how often would I really use the extra performance. Is yours the x-drive or just RWD?
@@mikeroz6549 nice 👌 RWD.
Good stuff!
2013 Hyundai i30 Premium 1.6 Turbo CRDi here. Now at 189,000 KM's. No issues whatsoever with either car as a whole nor the engine and transmission. Only 100Kw propelling a 1470KG kerb weight small hatch but near on 300Nm of torque. The fuel economy is amazing and it never needs to rev beyond 3,000rpm and will hold 6th gear up the longest steepest freeway/highway/motorway and never exceeds 2,000rpm and never changes down gears. Basically it has the grunt of a 3 litre six cylinder. We both LOVE it. The Premium model has all the fruit and some more. When the dual row timing chain/tensioner system finally does indicate a replacement, this is exactly what we will get done and it's not expensive.
I have a Mazda 6 2.2 diesel and the engine is fantastic, like you say loads of torque, 50mpg , euro 6 it's fantastic!
Awesome 👏
I'm sorry to say that is problematic engine, I was looking to purchase the large tourer version and love the looks but realised many of the used ones I was looking at had replacement engines. A bit of digging and I found out there was an endemic problem. If you want to keep it change the oil more frequently than advised, check the oil pick up filter and dont interupt a dpf regen or go for a dpf delete.
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@@tonydaddario4706 Don't believe all you read. Mine's been fine over the last 60k and 3 years. Currently sitting just shy of 120k; the only issues it's presenting now are tired ball joints. The engine's fine if driven and looked after correctly.
As per the video I posted earlier there's an inherent design problem with the injectors/washers that can let the fuel by and contaminate the oil. I'm glad yours is ok but the evidence suggests otherwise, considering how old this engine is there are not many out there with big mileages. @@jamez13b
Great engine. Can’t go wrong with a straight-six diesel - although they do need a good 30 mins to warm up to reach full efficiency. Also don’t forget the NA straight-six petrol; my N53 averages 42mpg on motorway trips.
I agree with you, I run both petrol and diesel vehicles. My diesel is a Cayenne 4.2 V8. As you have previously said its a great engine. It is ULEZ 6 compliant, uses less fuel than its petrol equivalent and can achieve over 40mpg. With DPFs and Ad blue its very clean.
I currently have a Mk6 Golf GTD. I can get almost 70mpg on a long journey and it really shifts whenever I fancy a B road blast or to do an overtake! Best car I've owned currently. Great all rounder
Just took delivery of my 75 edition 90 stunning drove both petrol and diesel easy choice 300 fa me with ad blue don't get the do gooders issues with it , diesel for ever here 👍👍
You are going to love it. I do 👌👍
I own a diesel and I own an EV.
One of them I used to enjoy driving and the other is a real joy to drive.
The real test for me is could I sit in the garage with the engine / motor running for a few hours and emerge alive? That tells me what the health impact of the two vehicles is.
I can remember Gordon Brown's "Dash for Diesel" . I can remember thinking at the time "What about all the soot ?" . Yes we now have DPFs (which can and do clog up) , ad blue, common rail injection , blah blah blah, the major issue is getting complete combustion of a complex long chain hydrocarbon (like diesel) is way more difficult that short chain hydrocarbons.
Petrol (putting CO2 aside for a bit) will always burn cleaner than diesel. I had an LPG conversion on a petrol car. Gases like propane or butane (and not gasoline, that's a liquid !) burn really cleanly. Come oil change time on my LPG petrol car, the oil looked new. None of the gunk that's there on a petrol engine. Petrol engine's oil looks clean compared to the sludge that comes out of a diesel come oil change time.
The sludge in the oil are the unburnt hydrocarbons that have been captured in the oil, and not those that go out of the exhaust pipe. Yes there are catalytic converters that do improve things.
Anyway to me, LPG or Methane powered internal combustion are the cleanest ways of burning fossil fuel in a car, even if the CO2 emissions are a bit higher.
I had a diesel Mazda, the engine was very torquey, I enjoyed driving it. I was always worrying about the DPF clogging up. So much so I'd only use it for long runs. The little petrol cars I have , no such worries. Most of my time is spent on short suburban town centre trips.
I have a freelander 2 2012 its got start stop and DPF EGR valve can get 50mpg on a good run but its not Ulez compliente how come ?
Because it is a Euro 5.
Oh dear Ped! One of the reason I love your channel is that you are not afraid to indulge your passions but it is a bit of slip backwards with this'good old diesels' video. I could sense the nostalgia, but we all let our hearts rule our heads at times.😊 You are a bit optimistic on the particulate filter data too, which is more like 30% to 80% capture rates, depending on cold starts, temperatures and how well the vehicle is maintained. Even newish diesels kick out a cloud of black smoke when they accelerate hard, especially when climbing. The reason it's a dead technology though is that the costs to develop and build a diesel engine that will meet new air quality standards makes the car more expensive than an EV. As for 'great torque'...EVs have diesels beaten there too. JLR are in a fight for survival and must electrify quickly to stay in business, lets hope they do.
No I just don’t have blinkers on. It’s a simple fact that for a number of use cases diesel is the best option currently by some stretch 🤷♂️
Watched 'Just have a think' with Matt Farrell - apparently, during covid - methane in the atmosphere increased massively over the poles because NOX plays a major part in breaking it down. We weren't driving so NOX went down big time. Methane is massively more damaging than CO2 directly. It's all about controlling where pollution happens. If you have a large, densely packed population then I don't disagree that 'clean air' should be a priority. I'm afraid however that once the politicians get involved - I tend to want to do the opposite. Living in rural Norfolk, I will continue to drive my 2008 3.6 TDV8 L322 RR 6000 miles a year without worrying about me conscience. If I go to town - I should NOT be allowed to take my 'dirty' car - paying a tax to allow me to do so is a total nonsense (scam) made up by the likes of SK to milk more money out of the put upon general public.
Spot on I get over 50-56mpg in my 530d xdrive mild hybrid over 600miles to a tank
I couldn't agree more, I have a 61plate 1.6 Tdci Fiesta, it never does any less than 40mpg, even in town, and it's remapped to about 120 bhp.
I drive a 530d. It's Euro 5 but not ULEZ compliant.... 540Nm, 250+bhp, 600+ miles to a tank. It suits me and my lifestyle perfectly
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If you don't mind the unreliability and extreme repair costs of running such a thing, there's far better alternatives
Unreliability of a diesel engine 😂 I have owned a few and they have all been extremely reliable.
😂
I’m a 2 car family with a small Zoe for the town journeys and a diesel Q5 Euro 6 for the holiday journeys fully loaded. Perfect combination
We own a 2014 Beetle Cab. 2.0 diesel. Great car only used in the summer months though, take it to the West Country on our holidays, returns over 60 mpg. What more do you want, open air motoring complete with economy. And yes except for idling, the engine is smooth and quiet.