Shunning! The Dark Side Of Jehovah's Witnesses
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Watchtower controls millions of families around the world and the weapon that the Jehovah's Witnesses use to keep their numbers is shunning. Shunning is cruel and inhumane! Do you have a story to tell please contact me with the links down below.
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I’ve been df for about a year and my little sister (she secretly talks to me lol) told me that my parents were interviewed at the last zoom assembly in front of the whole circuit about their experience having a disfellowshipped daughter. That is such an invasion of privacy! They’re always seeking pity or to play victim instead of recognizing how wrong disfellowshipping is! Completely ridiculous
I’m so glad your sister is standing by you! I hope your parents wake up! xx
Absolutely disgusting. But I’m sure that’s how they assuage what little humanity they have left and make sure they stay the course. Put them on a pedestal, mark them as good examples, all for doing something so unnatural and hurtful for no good reason.
I've was a Witness. I was shunned and I broke down. I went into hospital after hospital until I found a center run by "worldly" persons who basically nursed me back to health mentally and physically, which confused me more (if you are a Witness you understand because you are taught that "worldly people" are down right hateful ). It destroyed me. My social interactions were inept for a myriad of situations. When they came back last year and tried to get me to come back I almost fell for it, but thankfully I stopped and realized that I no longer agree with them. I want to love people for who they are. I want to agree to disagree. When someone is at their lowest, instead of throwing them out like the trash, like I was, I would rather hold on tighter and be there for them if it goes keel up. (Also Greetings and Salutations Mr. Wally. Such is a fine day is it not?)
You sound like a real christian
Love and blessings for a beautiful comment 🙏🏻🕊💗
They do not know any better if brought up from birth. I have seen both sides and am glad of that. Everyone has a choice, even the jw’s. I stay in touch with my worldly non jw family and have never allowed anyone in the co gregation to tell me otherwise. In the end of a wedding ceremony, it is said what God has joined together, let no nan put them u derm that should app,y to chi,Daren born from this union. This matter of shunning is making its way through court in another part of the world, wait and see.
@Its Me I know what you are talking about! Just saying I have the courage to say what I need to and still remain with my family. The jw’s do not dictate to. Me about my non jw family and my other beliefs that do not match theirs. 🇱🇷🦅
@Its Me I am not
My heart really goes out to any who decided to get baptized. I Left at 22 , now 25 and still have contact with all my family just bkus I didn’t get baptized. Truly not fair man.
Please becareful. All JWS have been instructed to call and pull in as many non jw family members and Friends
Some non-baptized members are being shunned as well, so I guess you’ve been lucky, Donnie Avalon. I’m glad for you!
Please use a fake name on social media as I was “caught out” by an elder on a PRIVATE EX JW GROUP!
@@JonesyR233 I understand that there maybe a concern 🤔 about being " caught ". There are many states that have a law that you can sue ANYONE FOR ruining their character. The major way to beat this CULT by their game of silence 🔕 people is by NOT BEING AFRAID....this CULT needs to be STOPPED AND PROSECUTED FOR THE HARMFUL AND DANGEROUS ACTS that they have committed against people.
@@tammyg8031 I completely agree, just personally I was disfellowshipped and had contact every 3 months with a family member who I would die for even now! But since being on private ex Jw sites I’m completely shunned n blocked. It’s really not good.
Hi Wally! My father is a murderer, but because he never studied with the witnesses, he is good to go to talk to(but hes not a witness??), but because I was raised witness and left, I'm untouchable(as an apostate). I FELT that story. The borg destroys families but we are here for you, and each other.
So sorry. Hope you're doing OK.
@@lorilee1931 I'm well, thank you! I hope all is well with you!:)
I am so sorry! How the Watchtower skews people’s thinking and emotions!
1985?
I left a comment and I don't know where it went. My grandfather murdered my grandmother the Saturday night of one of the conventions long time ago when I was just a teenager. Was never proven her name is Lorraine bear wolf. Interesting story if you want to Google it
I look at it now like, who would allow themselves to be in something like this? This cult forces you to lose normal human emotions. It literally breaks families apart. My daughter is still in. I can't even explain how how unorthodox our relationship is. This shit is crazy. Gotta be against the law somewhere.
Yes look up Netherlands and also JW critical thinker channel bc they are starting human rights work that this is not ok. Activism has to be done to stop this cruelty.
The matter of shunning is making its way through the courts in another part of the world, wait and see.
@@alexandriamancheck3474 hope it does! And replicated in the rest of the world!!
This cruelty has to stop!!!
It’s inhumane like Wally says!
No one with a straight, compassionate mind will not treat a dog with cruelty because it did something! You decuplique with love!
@@migdaliafuentes1618 A man and woman, husband and wife are not to be seperated, if one is married to a non believer and they are happy to be with them, let them remain together, the Bible says something to that affect, so why does this not apply to family and friends. I have had to walk away from bad associations, and they were not jw. Thank you for your nice reply
@Greg LeJacques take notice, a lot of the younger couples are not having children, as her father, could you not take her away from the environment fir a short time sand let her feel freedom? I was not born and raised into this religion,so I know what independence, critical thinking feels like. I never have allowed myself to be fully pulled I , I remain somewhat detached, yet respectful. God bless you
Family is a feeling.
I left when I realized I've been rejecting Christ.
My sister invited me over for dinner one night and she was asking me a bunch of view point questions. I tried to stay quiet but I can tell she was pushing me to speak out. When I did speak out on a topic she ran to the front door and kicked me out. When I was leaving she said that I was dead to her.
She hasn't spoken to me since.
I stopped going to meetings and moved far away. So I faded out but the rest of my siblings still treat me as dead.
As I was waking up I went back and researched everything I thought I knew. When I had answers I shared them with my parents. Now my parents faded out with me.
We didn't leave because we had doubts and questions. We left because we had real answers.
I am so sorry for your loss. Its unfortunate that this CULT'S LEADERSHIP has seriously TWISTED the minds of JWS. Its not a LOVING organization. Very much of the opposite.
Isn't it wonderful to come out of the watchtower trance? Yes and I also realized I was rejecting Christ and that was very hurtful to deal with, but I know He has forgiven me and He called me to Him in the first place. My daughter has also shunned me for years and so I have no relationship with my grandson. She did the same thing as your sister basically, I'm not technically disfellowshipped but I'm definitely shunned. And that's ok, I choose freedom and love. Good for you stay strong.💜
@@ShamiAhmathofYasharahla
Matt 19:29
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
What a shocking way for your sister to treat you! The Watchtower makes people mentally ill!
Trance is a good word for what the Watchtower imposes on people.
Yes Wally, you are right. Shunning is cruel and it is inhuman. I was in a family gathering a few weeks ago. My wife’s family have many nephews but only one niece. She was smart enough and left the Organization many years ago. Her closer cousin was there and we started looking at some pictures they have hanging in their Grandma’s house. I asked him about Tania and his reply was “I don’t know anything about her and don’t want to know anything about her”. It is despicable to see how much hate these people have in their harts. No love, no respect for other’s people human rights. Crazy and pure evil....
Same thing happened to me. When I officially disassociated a guy who I became close friends with said he would talk to me until his last breath..totally vanished and was never heard from again. I can't imagine what it must be like to be ghosted by close relatives. I'm grateful I don't have family in because I was the only idiot who went for that carrot. I went through a difficult time when I resumed studying back in 2013 and just wanted to be part of a loving community. Of course the love bombing had an impact so I kept going until I realized how fake it all was once I started waking up.
So glad you woke up! You used your critical thinking and that’s commendable!
Be happy!
Hugs!
@@migdaliafuentes1618 thank you
Seems fishy. There is a difference in disassociating and disfellowshipping.
Why would one want to study the Bible to qualify 'again'?
BTW if one was in ancient Israel, the penalty would have been much more severe.
Deuteronomy 21:19 his father and his mother should take hold of him and bring him out to the elders at the gate of his city 20 and say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, and he refuses to obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 Then all the men of his city must stone him to death. So you must REMOVE WHAT IS BAD FROM YOUR MIDST, and all Israel will hear and become afraid.
Fortunately, the Christian way is loving helping the erring one to come to his senses..
1 Corinthians 5:9 In my letter I wrote you to stop keeping company with sexually immoral people, 10 not meaning entirely with the sexually immoral people of this world or the greedy people or extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing you to STOP KEEPING COMPANY with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “REMOVE THE WICKED PERSON from among yourselves.”
Easiest is to avoid become a Christian. Simple. No one can have the cake and also eat it as the saying goes.
That's how I feel, socially crippled, abandoned and expected to keep pace alone in a world I never learned how to navigate. What a "loving" provision.
@Its Me It sucks that the thing we all have in common is a shared/similar trauma... what's up trauma buddies! I think it's good for healing to know you're not alone though.
My siblings were shunned growing up. It's one of the main reasons I never got baptised. I just didn't want to make a promise I knew I could never keep. My siblings are wonderful kind beautiful people, they deserve so much more. Worldly people are strange and confusing but they're also fascinating and wonderful, they deserve so much more.
Smart!
@@itsjustme6315 read, isaiah ,cha, 66,v5-6 stop being amardy custard,, when ya baptisted,, your baptised into jesuses death,,, bless him,,
I've never really been a jw. I studied for a while, became an unbaptised publisher and was shunned since I didn't walk the walk and talk the talk. I absolutely hated field service. When I had surgery and was instructed by my surgeon to not lift anything too heavy, protect myself from sick people, get as much rest as possible. Well the members of my new congregation "forgot" to call to see if I needed a ride to meetings etc. I will tell you this honestly, I felt a huge fear come off my shoulders. Its been four years since I've set foot or butt in front of the computer to listen to the weekly crap. I should have paid more attention to my cat's reaction to a friend who is still a jw. Lightfoot didn't want anything to do with her. He sat as close as possible to me and put his ears back when she tried to pet he just froze. Wise boy. I was always afraid that "God" would strike me down for "studying" the Bible with these crazy people. It feels so wonderful to be free of the pressure to get baptised, go out for field service, "conduct a mock bible study", do a demonstration of a bible study etc. I cringe just thinking about it. Keep up the good work and hugs and catnip for Zeezy aqnd hugs for you Wally.
Hey, you all, I just remembered...I got publicly shunned at the 2014 District Convention in Detroit.
It was a distant relative whom I hadn't seen or talked to in atleast a decade.
I started to hug her, she pushed my hands away and ran. 🏃♀️
I thought, "Wow, I just got shunned....at the assembly!?!" Honestly, it was funny to me, and yes, she did look absolutely stupid doing that.
The only reason I went to that assembly was a last ditch effort to see if there was something I had missed.
Didn't do anything for me.
That act of shunning only helped open my eyes.
It was only after finding the community did I realize the practice as abnormal. Normalized it for so long. The stories saved me so🤷♂️
The story I am trying to tell is too long, and the paragraphs are out of order. I will take a look at it tomorrow and try to tell the story in a different way.
Hi Wally!!
These announcement from the platform is so humiliating! I hated them even when I was PIMI - saw it so cruel!!!
I remember the announcement of this loving girl that was struggling with school and job and taking care of her ill mom- so she had to leave being regular pioneer! And they came and humiliated her by announcing It!
In the propaganda video- you can see when she leaves and saids: “ I didn’t think I was breaking their hearts”… and then she continues saying: “the devastation I caused them “…. All that video script is to plant those thoughts in the mind of the JWs!!
But what about the love??
How can they say that shunning is love?
Doesn’t the Bible teach us that when a 1 sheep, gets lost - the Shepard leaves the other 99 an goes and look for the lost one? Love attacks, love heals- but this punishment is cruel and unloving!!!
Like I always say: DOWN WITH THE TOWERRRR!!!!
Thanks for your videos!!!!
By the way: HI WALLY!
Hi Wally, I’m in the uk and have recently found your site, which is holding me steady mentally at the moment. I’m 67, got baptised (very mistakenly) when I was in my 30s. I’ve at last got out as my husband (who was a witness) has now passed and I realise I’ve never believed in a organisation 😱 although I do still have a Christian faith. How the hell I got sucked into ‘the organisation’ thing is the biggest regret of my life. Anyway Im actively being shunned by my son and his family, all my long term friends disappeared as you’ve said within moments of hearing i disassociated. The pain mentally is almost breaking me…though I knew it would happen…nothing probably prepares you for the rawness of it. Your story though blasted through my own sadness and I am amazed at how you’ve been treated, and even more amazed that you’ve overcome and gone forward. So massively well done and you give hope to people like me. Just a big thank you really and I love your videos. Hey it’s raining in the UK, love cats and dogs, and gonna keep going just to spite the loving JWs
There's one thing that no one can EVER CHANGE in life..THAT IS: The parents that we were born FROM. Bottom line is...that we all have FREE WILL at a given time. Family is whatever YOU make it. I am very proud of you WALLY. What you & others, have had to endure is something that is inhumane. The leadership has manipulated the minds of all their members into thinking and believing that SHUNNING PRACTICES is loving discipline. The facts are is, that its a very sick way of imposing MENTAL CRUELTY on a person..which have led to many JWS committing suicide. This CULT'S LEADERSHIP is an accessory to murder for this reason. The rules and policies of watchtower are indeed harmful and dangerous. The LEADERSHIP all know this. Everyone out there. Know that WATCHTOWER WILL PAY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. The more people that tell their story the more this DOOMSDAY CULT continues to get EXPOSED..... EXCELLENT VIDEO....& VERY TIMELY.
I was very lucky. My mom was labeled spiritually weak and stood up for me. My heart breaks for those that are shunned...
Hello Wally.
Great comment inspiring 😊
All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible????????
The only thing all of you knows is to talking about Jehovah's witnesses nothing else 😂🤣😅😆😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm shunned from my family and friends that are in the organization too because I stood up for myself and didn't agree with them and their teachings anymore. I only have a couple family members that I can associate with and my friends that aren't apart of the organization. They are more family to me then the ones in the organization. This is the worst practice there is in the organization. It's so abnormal. It tears families apart amd they don't care how much damage that causes. I have alot more to say about this but it's alot so I'll stop there for now. Wally, I feel for you. I'm going through the same with my family. Thank you for sharing your experience and the work you do. Sending love from Minnesota.
I'm so sorry. My situation is not at all comparable, but I can empathize. My grandparents are shunning me and my husband. However, their son who did drugs with my now deceased father is, "doing so good" because he commented at a couple meetings. The only reason he was not DF'd for doing heroin with my father was because of the wonderful two witness rule. He literally assisted my father with buying and making black tar heroin, coccaine, and meth- which my father eventually overdosed and died on. I have photo and text message evidence of this happening...
So while I am a huge disappointment to them despite work full time, doing my best to be a good parent to my two little girls and break the cycles of abuse, happily married, in therapy and going to school to be a nurse. This 40 year old unemployed, lazy, unfaithful man is "doing good" because he showed up to a few meetings and repeated a few sentences of propaganda.
It's the most enraging thing. Like I don't need a pat on the back every time I pay a bill or eat a salad... But this shit is hard at 23 with no support. Feels like the whole world is against you...
I got baptised at 16 and had struggled for years with my sexuality, leaving me in hospital several times due to the trauma the watchtower was giving me, making me feel disgusting and so hateful towards myself. I finally left when I turned 19, I was disfellowshipped, I lost my entire family and all my friends. Mentally fragile and with no support system at all. This organisation not only destroys people it kills them.
I have only recently started watching your channel Wally but I am so incredibly deeply sorry for the pain and trauma the watchtower has put you through. Your words and time you put into your videos has already helped me so much.
Thank you so much.
Really sorry to hear your shunning story, it’s really heartbreaking, we see you, we hear you, we are with you
thanks that is very sweet
@@exjehovahswitness All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible??????????
All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible????????
Growing up a JW I feel so guilty for not talking to DF. I made it a point at meetings to say hi and make eye contact and snuck in helping someone with their kids in the bathroom. I’m sorry you went through this and apologize for being part of the problem in the past and asking for forgiveness to pp I know now. When your involved with them, some people are on survival mode trying not to sink in this toxic environment.
Hi Wally! Hi Zeezy! You both look fantastic. The psychological abuse you’re describing is abhorrent, and I’m sorry you & others from the cult have had to bear such torment.
I like how Zeezy had his eyes closed as you read your letter aloud. When you finished, he opened his eyes & looked at the camera like, “Can you BELIEVE these people? Cats can be jerks, but THIS! This is evil.” Zeezy gets it. And now, he’s pretending the ball is Stephen Lett.
OK, enough of my projections onto Zeezy. He’s probably thinking about snacks, not horrible human cruelty. There I went again. I’m going to listen now. Great video!
O my God, Wally, this is just awful!!!!! I feel with you. PLZ accept my love and huggies....
Hi Wally! I’m glad you’ve been able to set those boundaries with your family. I’ve always believed that people hide behind religion to avoid having to face harsh truths in life, even though I was born-in, being a jw was never my entire life or personality. It’s the reason I was able to meet my now-fiancé, who was a staunch atheist since I first met him. JW’s preach unconditional everlasting love, openness and acceptance to all people- but it doesn’t hold up when tested. The hypocrisy and irony always baffles me. My child molesting uncle is still an elder, my elder dad knew and never stood up for my sister or myself. He can still pray for a whole congregation and believe he’s free of his sins. Now, I’M the one shunning then. They’ve tried to reestablish a controlling abusive relationship with me, but thanks to months and months of therapy and antidepressants I was finally able to fully cut them off and go no contract on New Years. And it’s such a liberating feeling. Religion should not seperate you from family. It shouldn’t excuse horrible behaviors and actions, and it definitely shouldn’t be used as a shield for monsters to hide behind and pretend they are pious and righteous and “living the best life ever”. It was a miserable life for me, and I’ve only now started enjoying living. Good riddance to them Wally, and I hope they feel remorse and jealousy of your freedom and newfound life and happiness. You aren’t responsible for waking them up or fixing them, if they make that decision great- but they aren’t our responsibility anymore. “Family” means so much more to me now, and it’s those we choose, not always our flesh and blood.
Thanks wally. Your video prepared me for worse case scenario. I am fading from the congregation now. I am preparing mentally for this just in case I have the same outcome
You’ll be just fine. The Bible is just as much your guide to a fulfilled and happy life as the organizations’. Remember that our life is in the hands of Jesus and his father Jehovah … not a human board of directors ( they haven’t figured this out yet, THEY WILL! )
Hi Wally 👋🏻🫵🏻😜
In those moments where you gracefully push past those feelings while still acknowledging the pain, there is so much that you say without words…I feel that deeply & I think we all do. You are strong!
Wow. Wally. I'm so sorry that your family have been so awful to you. I'm heartbroken for you, brother. Thank you for sharing your story. I faded too, my brother and I have preserved our relationship, but my mother and I haven't spoken for over a decade.
Keep up the sterling work!
Sending you love and best wishes!
Beautifully said. Shunning is such an inhumane practice. You deserve better. We all do.
Honest, raw, and traumatic. I am so sorry 😞 they put you thru this. This community understands and we are here for you. You are NOT alone.
Hey Wally! This video was so good. I left the same way you did. It's like it's an unwritten rule even if you just become inactive they pull back. My heart goes out to you Wally
Hi there! Thanks for the kind words.
@@exjehovahswitness The only thing all of you knows is to talking about Jehovah's witnesses nothing else 😂🤣😅😆😁🤣😅🤣🤣🤣
Hi Wally! Not a JW here, I’m actually just a “regular” Christian (I hope that’s not offensive to say). I’ve never experienced anything like shunning in my community, and hearing stories like yours is really shocking and sad to me. In my religion such behavior would be seen as the opposite of what Jesus would want us to do. In fact, I remember last year when I was going through a serious doubting period, my dad reassured me constantly that there would be no social consequences. I remember his exact words were “if you change your mind I’ll still love you and respect you. I’ll think your wrong, but I wouldn’t throw you out.” And it was very comforting. In fact, my parent’s unconditional love probably helped me in keeping my faith. Im very lucky
You are blessed
@Its Me absolutely, he’s not perfect but I’m so thankful for my parents
The issue is JWs aren't actually following Jesus. That's why they don't imitate his love for people. The organization has usurped his authority and divinity. It is the reason I left too. No love. The rank and file witness has no idea because it's done so subtly and slowly over time. This organization knows how to cook a frog...slowly turning up the heat (lies), allowing the frog to acclimated to the new temperature each time. Before long, the frog is being cooked alive & doesn't even know it. So sad & disturbing.
The only thing all of you knows is to talking about Jehovah's witnesses 😂🤣😅😆😁🤣🤣🤣😂😅🤣
@@vusimngomezulu2500 You came to an Ex-JW support RUclips video. So yes, we're going to talk about our experiences with Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus was never rude or unkind to people. It is unkind & rude for you to come here and laugh at our pain and the pain others comtinue to endure. If you are a Witness and if you are happy being one, we wish you well. However, please do not ridicule us for showing love to one another now. We'll be praying for you.
Hi Wally. It’s interesting how easy it is for people to punish truth-seekers and truth tellers. We remind them of their cowardice and together they proceed to project all of their toxicity on us. It doesn’t stick. They probably resent you for your free mind, while the one in prison allows them to feel superior. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I agree that you owe the family nothing. And truly they have norhing more to offer.
Oh, Wally, I am so sorry about your fail! Especially when two of the key figures in your life gave you hope, and then they dropped you like a hot potato! They may have been influenced by other JWs to not carry on with those plans. People’s thinking and very feelings are skewed by this cult. When I am with my sister I feel as though I have committed some kind of crime by disassociating myself from the ‘religion’, because that is how strong her disapproval is. What coldness and callousness the poor rank and file are led into. At my mother’s memorial I saw a JW ‘sister’ watching me, and I gave her a little smile. She abruptly turned her back to me. At my mother’s memorial! My mom and dad weren’t even Jehovah’s Witnesses. What this woman did was planned. I could tell. She was just waiting for me to turn around and see her so that she could shun me. It was so obvious. It seems like something only a person with a mental illness would do. Maybe that mental illness is the cult itself.
Sorry! I meant family.
WEll I suppose that we can all sincerely mingle our tears together
I don’t really blame the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Their perspective and perceptions have been so messed up by the Watchtower. It is so sad!
I feel the same way. Grew up in foster care and havent seen my mom in 16 years. I could careless. Life goes on.💯
at some point at least for me, I just need to move on
@@exjehovahswitness it takes time bro!
I understand you’re situation. My mother and sister associated with their son/brother who was in an accident and got hooked on pain meds. Stole from both of them. Neglected his children. Almost lost his wife. Went to jail for stealing and because he wasn’t disfellowshiped they still talked to him etc etc. I have a job. Me and my wife are happy. We raise our kids to know right and wrong. I would never steal from anyone especially my family!
The difference.
The first person was me playing the roll of believing in the truth while doing bad.
Me now is doing what I do but addressing my true thoughts about JW.
I learned to devalue family a long time ago. I was never disfellowshipped, nor has there been a big falling out. I just got tired of reaching out to family and nobody ever returning my efforts. Your family has actually conditioned you to function without their presence. Incidentally, I ran into a witness buddy and his father. He spoke, but his jw dad just kinda stood there looking stupid as he attempted to ignore my existence. What an idiot. Keep moving forward, young man.
Hi Wally. I'm a never JW and I don't have kids but I would be proud beyond anything to have a son like you. I'm sorry that they are missing out on spending their life with you. Congratulations on accepting what has happened, that takes some doing but it is wise. You are a remarkable young man.
Hey Wally...I looked up the information about this Paul Bryant your brother...who is in jail for murdering several people...I am so bewildered at the mentality of these Jehovah's Witnesses. Shunning I realize is the most dangerous action that a person can do to another person. Very disappointing.
This hits me so hard. I was kicked out less than a month after I turned 18 because I had a boyfriend. No life experience. Nothing. And who do you think was the only person I had to rely on? The boyfriend they hated. Soo.... Not a good plan. I've yet to get an apology at 34 years old now.
I know your parents Wally- so sorry, they hope you’ll come back.
I’m shunned by my family- it’s so painful. They hope I come back…but after we find out the truth about the ‘Truth’ there’s No going back…
Congratulations on all you do for the ex JW community!!!!!
Same here. If my so called "friends" from the org contacted me because let's say they got a "new light" and it is now ok to talk to the ex-JW's. I would still not want to be their friends. They showed me crystal clear that their loyalty lies in a book publishing company. It may sound bitter or cold and even unforgiving. But, i refuse to be friends with people who's loyalty is as breakable as eggshells.
Yeah I just don't see the point of it especially when according to their rules they don't need to shun me. So they must want to!
Sorry to hear about your shitty family Wally. That's unbelievably screwed up. After being disfellowshipped I moved 9 hours away from my old family and friends. Now the only time I hear from any of my biological family is if someone we knew growing up dies. Or an invitation to the memorial. We are better off without these toxic, selfish individuals in our lives.
Biological families can really suck!
Remind your family,y you still exist, send them a birthday party invitation, your party. Even, the angel announced tbe birth of our Lord, on this day, a savior is born, with great tidings of joy, while it is true we do not know when Jesus’s real day of birth is snd if .Jehovah wanted us to know, he would have revealed it. 🇱🇷🦅
Wally I feel your pain. It’s hard and every opportunity I get I speak out against the harmful practice of shunning.
The more awareness we bring to the public about this practice, the less likely people will be inclined to join the JWs.
My JW hubby gets shunned by some family and friends because he decided to stick to his “apostate” wife.
I had one aunt telling him he should divorce me so that he doesn’t get destroyed at Armageddon.
The Bible says that if a non believer is married to a believer and they are happy to together, let them remain.
My grandparents were always trying to make me get baptized. After my mom was disfellowshiped and the shunning of not only her but her kids as well, nope never. Best decision of my life!
Love your content. Been out for 30 years and only recently (this week) found out there was ex jw content on RUclips. It's refreshing finding so many people with similar stories.
I recently tried to reach out to some old "friends" after almost 20 years, don't worry they didn't let my bad association spoil their delusions.
They really weren’t friends. Conditional.🇱🇷🦅
Oh Wally.. My heart is absolutely breaking for you. You seem like such a wonderful, loving, kind person. Ill never understand how anyone could support an organization that punishes critical thinking, nevertheless sacrifice their family for it. My good childhood friend was a JW. Until we had a minor spat and her mother decided I was bad association. Then for the next SIX years, she stared through me like I didn't exist. And she didn't care at all. I was simply "erased". After we got to HS her mother decided she could talk to me again IF I went to a meeting with her. The next day she came in and it was like someone had unpaused her. Like nothing happened. It was creepy as hell. I went to the meeting and got love bombed and paraded around like a trophy for my friend's family. Like, hey, we are bringing someone to the truth. For the next few years, our friendship hinged on us spending some of our time reading watchtowers, like I was her bible study. Funny enough, I only found out after 8 years that she had a sister. She was being shunned. They had a room that was never open but one day I snuck in. It was the sister's room, perfectly preserved like she had died. Nope. She was shunned because she enrolled in county college and was dating a worldly guy. For that, she was cut out. What an F'd up cult.
Fun fact, in the famous shunning video, the little girl that plays the part of the DF'd girl's daughter was one of my son's best friends. We were great friends with her parents. She completely shuns my now 15 yo son for the last 2 yrs because we woke up and faded...
Hey Wally, our stories are so similar, I was having doubts for years, but I stayed for a while because I knew once I took my exit that my family was going to shun me and boy they did, I just asked the Elders questions and they threatened to disfellowship me if I didn’t come and meet with them at the hall. I told them to go right ahead and Jesus will handle you in the end, I never heard from them again , I left in 2014, never went back except for my grandmother and my mothers memorial service, at my moms memorial, I’m already heart broken because she was killed in a car accident in 2020, I hadn’t seen any of the witnesses since 2014, the whole time I had people telling me I need to come back because my moms not going to see me when she’s resurrected, I couldn’t even grieve right. It was a nightmare, I was shunned when I left in 2014 and love bombed when I came to my moms memorial service. The Elder that gave her talk had the nerve to throw some shade on me and a couple of my siblings , saying we need to get our act together so we can be waiting on her when she comes back. When my family goes on vacation they never ask me or my daughter to go, I had to explain to her why they didn’t want us there, she asked me if they hated us because they never ask us to go on any trips, they only invite us to funerals and the meetings nothing else. I feel the same way that you do Wally. I really don’t care anymore, I’d rather they didn’t talk to me ever again, I haven’t done anything with them in so long, it will not hurt my feelings. Sorry that you had to go through that. It’s terrible!
This video is phenomenal! I have so much to say, and yet I am left speechless because you’ve said it all. Thank you for sharing what being shunned by family actually looks like. It’s completely inhumane, and it is all done under the guise of “ love”. My 17 year old som was DF last week. This is my time to make my exit, and to switch from PIMO to POMO.
I’m so sorry to hear about your son! I was falsely D’f and I was hoping it would wake my mom up but sadly some choose to put the cult over their own blood, I’m happy your choosing your son!
I'm sorry, Wally. I didnt know you where talking to me. I love watching you and love the self acknowledgement. Just wanted to say 'Hi'. I'm PIMO... your video shook me as I cant believe your family. Your validated, and loved. Stay awesome.
My grandfather used to go out of his way to talk to complete strangers in prisons, but hasn't spoken to me in over 15 years- because I have conscientious objections to certain practices.
Correction: 17 years
I have the same experience as you, Wally. My mother and sister don’t have anything to do with me even though I’m not DF’d or anything. And, my non-Witness father and grandmother basically co-sign on the nonsense in order to make their lives easier. They want ME to fix these broken relationships with JW who have been soft-shunning/avoiding me for years. I struggle with feelings of unworthiness and being unloveable because my family has ignored me and my feelings for so long. It’s a lot and I stay in therapy. Hang in there. You are not alone. Thank you for all your insightful videos. They brighten my day.
I, and many, feel your pain…
Family are not necessarily others with whom you have a biological connection, rather they are those who choose to deliberately welcome you, and welcome you without conditions…
The worst feeling I remember. Total mind control. Thanks for sharing.
Bro, your dropping deep thought and ZZ is going ham in the background! This is one of the best videos ever for multiple reasons! God bless and stay strong bro!!
Oh boy!You know Wally you make a great point. I’m at the same exact place as you regarding family and previous “friends” I had the same internal conversation of what if they reach out and tell me they should’ve listen to me? I’d be like “I know, good luck with everything.” And be like peace out. They didn’t have the courage to stand up with me, they didn’t give me the benefits of the doubt when I brought them issues i had with the org, instead they wrote me off. So now they can go through waking up journey just like I did. Relying on the community. I wish them the best but I’m not extending my empathy or love or compassion to anyone who could look me in the eye and tell me they choose the hateful 8 (GB) over me. Bye
I can’t say anything at all that is critical of the Watchtower to my sister and brother-in-law. How dare anyone say anything against dear leader! These people are so duped!
That is so true , I've been to the prisons studying with people who will never get out of prison. Yes that's so wrong!
Its very sad and damaging.
My mother and daughter have not spoken to me in any meaningful or even “hello miss you, hope you are ok”.
My daughter has had 2 babies since and I do not even know what they look like or their names.
Yes I broke a “watchtower” rule. Yes I made mistakes and even confessed and was legitimately regretful. Did this get me shunned by itself? Nope, I am shunned also and most importantly because I openly disagreed with doctrine, with ever changing flip flop teachings. Because I dont believe in 1914, dont believe in their over lapping generations, dont believe Jesus is just an archangel, dont believe 8 men in NYC are my mediator instead of Christ.
Yes they actually teach these blasphemous teachings!
that is so messed up!
Married to this man for 20 years and can ya believe we did not become truly happy until after we left the borg!!! 17 years of arguing, resentments, hate…we were miserable!! Going to meetings was a disaster with 5 kids and no one wld lift a finger to help! But now…now that we are not following 8 satanic coco-felons….we are happier than we have ever been! Only misery is that we lost fam that are still in but I truly believe their tower will fall!!!
And she has 3 now babe! Just popped the 3rd one last week! 😞
“8 men in NYC” 😅
Hei Wally! Thank you for speaking words that are genuine and resonate very profoundly with me. The content you create is so enlightening and despite the emotional and dark nature, you still have a way of presenting it in a manner that makes one laugh, but at the same time entices one to do deep introspection
thanks, I am glad you get it
Great video it’s the first time I’ve seen some with similar sort of story to me !
My family will happily talk to member of the family who has put his own mother and all his siblings into prison for years but will shun me! I’ve done all the self blaming, overthinking etc and if at this point they came to me - I’m gonna be like who the hell are you???
Oh and the point about them claiming they are not shunning me because they notify me of a funeral or a random text every 5 years doesn’t cut it
Oh and don’t start me on the family member who was raised a jw but never even got baptised who is also shunning me!!
Only just processing how every single jw I knew growing up shunned me at my own mothers funeral. At the time I thought it fine because I still believed. Damn!!
Hey Wally - great video! Thanks for your work :) My family also shun me without them needing to. I faded too, but I still get shunned. We're such terrible people it seems, our crimes of thinking something different to 8 corrupt old guys are so heinous that we must never be spoken to again. But my family still "love" me, they just have to do the "right" thing by not including me in their lives for the rest of our lives. So loving.
Terrible to hear about how your family still talks to people who have actually commited terrible crimes, yet not you. I'm so sorry that they will treat you in such a disgusting way. So many are of us are dealing with similar situations - you're not alone in this kind of treatment :)
My heart breaks for anyone in this situation. I remember my daughter didn’t talk to me for 3 years,teenage years. For the first few months I couldn’t sleep I suffered from anxiety but I knew when she grew up a little she would be back. Knowing that your family my never break away from the watchtower cult must be devastating to come to terms with. I hope for all of you one day you get your family back.
My family to,d me how would a jw like to be forced to not communicate with their fami,y, jw associates and go to meetings for a year s d never be allowed to even speak of jw. Tables turned
I'm sorry your family has treated you this way. Something we need to keep in mind is that it's not them that is treating you this way, it's the religion/cult. It's the brain washing this religion/cult does to them. Most of us are guilty for doing this to our friends and family when we were in the "truth." Only till and if they wake up, will they see what they have done do you.
wally, you verbalized my feelings so closely. I have now watched this video 3 times. I can't tell you how many times I have told people that have no knowledge or limited knowledge of shunning and the Watchtower and Track Society (that name sounds so cultish). That I could be in a room with a murder/pedophile and they (Jehovahs Witness) would talk to them, show them love and attention before me. and the only issue they could have with me is I no longer believe what they believe. it hurt dor so long, my own mother has not spoken to me our her grand kids in 6 years or more. if anyone says this organization doesn't tear families apart, they couldn't be any farther from reality. When i was still going back to meeting after being disfellowhipped, I took me and my 3 year old daughter to dinner after Sunday meeting. a elder and his family was there, it cause me so much pain to watch them shun my 3 year old daughter. what threat could she be to them? I told this to a witness one time and they said something about imperfections and isolated situations, but it wasn't isolated, the same behaviors happened again and again. couldn't be happier being away from the indoctrination and now making my own choices and following my own compass.
You are worthy! All humans, including JW's should have the right to stop practicing or change their religious identity. This highly personal decision should not result in the religion requiring family & friends, to avoid speaking to the members who leave the group.
thanks! yeah I have been thinking about this more and more lately
You may share DNA, but they are not, and never were your family.
Man that hit hard but unfortunately is so true - well said 👍
Wally,my heart goes out to you.You are one of the most truthful,caring and respectful of others I have ever found on Ex JW pages.Your family do not truly understand what a wonderful person they are cutting off.Take care friend
Hi Wally! I hope you're doing great 🐱👍
I clicked on this video thinking that itd be nice to talk about how my story goes
I started getting shunned when i was 16 years old. I asked questions but i just couldnt get a satisfying answer on any of them. Like: "why did god make us?", "Why did god place the tree if he knew they were gonna sin? (since he's all knowing)", those were kinda the fundamental questions. It all just didnt make any sense to me. God made us so we can praise him for eternity = egocentric in my opinion for example.
My mother went to court when i was 17 in order to force me to leave the house the day i turned 18. She won the case ofc since i was only 17 and i was scarwd and didnt know anything about how all of that worked.
So a few days before my 18th bday she left some briefcases in my room without saying anything. I had nowhere to go so o stayed until the police came knocking. The police then gave me a deadline i had to meet. My mom planned to move back to switzerland (my home country) to where my brother moved back to one and a half years earlier without saying anything. She left while i was still asleep without saying anything and was alone in an empty house for a few days til i found help from the authorities.
i just turned 20 this month and im living alone in an appartement provided by the government. I receive psychological help and i started going back to school (for adults). I still suffer from suicidalness and severe to clinical depression but im feeling more freer than ever. And i now have dream of becoming a loving person and a dad my kids can come back to anytime they want. Create a childhood for my children that i didnt have
Omg that’s terrible! I’m so sorry you had to go through that! This cult is disgusting horrible and evil
@Its Mei really appreciate it
Hey Wally I will keep you in my prayers lol. Really my heart goes out to you. It is very difficult to deal with unjust treatment (especially by those you love). That's the thing with enlightenment. Others that are still in darkness will ridicule you and treat you harshly. I feel your pain. I too was close with my family and I no longer communicate with them because I am no longer a JW. Everyday is a struggle. Keep the door open for them because they will need someone if they ever become enlighten and leave. Thanks for the videos.
Hi Wally:) you are such a sweet and sincere young man! You remind me of one of my sons:) thank you for your channel.. it is appreciated!
You are so kind, thanks!
I am a near-witness (long term study, indoctrinated, not baptized, saw the light). It was years later when I discovered the EXJW community on RUclips that I realized just how lucky I was to get out before getting baptized. I realized I had become judgmental of EVERYONE I met because of watchtower. I had no idea how ugly the shunning was, no idea about the corporation pretending to be a religion. No idea how ugly and satanic its roots.
I've Been There Done That, Been Shunned for right at 44 years, You are on the Right Track
Hi Wally 😘. I’m so sorry you have had to go thru such cruelty by your own family and loved ones. I think many of us know that pain all too well. After having been out and learned so much, I feel like you in that even if family would want contact with me, I no longer have any desire for any kind of relationship with them. So I guess the tables have turned because I am the one that would shun them. I would not shun them because of any of their beliefs, but for the type of person that are. They use being a JW as an excuse to be judge-mental, cruel, rude and selfish.
Not to absolve them of their actions because we know the Borg encourages this ridiculous behavior.
I wish I could take away the pain for you and it breaks my heart to see the hurt you are going through. But know you are helping more people than you will ever know. Many, I’m sure, watch but are afraid to subscribe or comment but it’s a good first step in waking up.
Please keep on keeping on!
You are a beautiful person and your videos are informative without being hateful (thus dispelling their propaganda that apostates are wicked ppl)
Much love, from Kentucky. Where the women are fast and the horses are beautiful 🤣 🐎
Hi Wally!
I'm at 10:30 - and this is exactly how I am too. I sometimes feel like the odd one out in the exjw community where I don't have the deep longing for things to be different or to welcome my family back into my life. The act of shunning has been unforgivable, I can't take anything they would say as genuine anymore, and in fact I think they'd revert to toxic patterns of how they treated me before. I have better people around me now to fill my time
I look forward to Wednesdays and Saturdays now
That's very sweet of you to say, thank you
I found your channel about one month ago. Someday I will share my story but for now, just know that you are helping me and thank you for what you are doing.
Wally, I feel you brother. I ran into this for years when I left the JWs. My family had themselves stopped attending meetings but had not been disfellowshipped. I stepped up, met with the elders and told them I was done and was of course disfellowshipped. My family stopped talking to me! As they were inactive witnesses, I saw the people who came in and out of there house the people who were there friends and they were pretty bad people by bible standards (drugs, sex, violence). They were fine but I was shunned, it felt crazy.
I stopped feeling shunned tho, I stopped looking from anything from them. I have kinda shunned them, I don't associate with JWs. They stop being witnesses, we are good, they don't I am good. No power over me any longer.
First - Hi, Wally! Another good analysis of Watchtower's abusive practices. I'm a never in and when I first heard about shunning I was slack-jawed, couldn't believe that would happen. Now I know more about cults, I'm finding it's common practice (Scientologists call apostates Suppressive Persons and are "disconnected", but it's the same thing).
Bloody hell, Wally. I can’t believe what I’m hearing… that is awful awful awful. ❤️
*Jumps from scaffolding to Wally*
"Hello there!"
Hi Wally and Zeeze. I would feel the same way if my family or close friends shunned me for leaving the cult. Even if I went back and then they run up to talk to me then, it would not be the same. It shows me their so-called love is with conditions. That is not true love. Especially your family has a friendship with a murderer but, shuns you when all you did was leave the cult. That is not loving.
it shocking how far above and beyond they go when you consider how bad watchtower rules are on their own!
@@exjehovahswitness
Yeah, it seems that many jws are trying to be “more catholic than the pope”😂
Hi wally🙋♀️my controlling mother is shunning me right now lol. I too am at the point of being done and over it. I've accepted it and I'm ready to take care and protect my mental health from now on.
Your cat is the real star here. Lol. Great job
Facts. Thank you!
I’d like to see an interview of an exPIMI on how they felt shunning a dear loved one. I can’t imagine shunning merely because a family member exercises their freedom of conscience. I mean, nobody thinks 100% alike. The purpose of good manners is that it allows us to enjoy each other’s company, sharing what we have in common, without having any conflict about topics where we don’t agree. In my family there exist huge differences of opinion about politics and religion - but you’d never know this if you observed us at a big family get together. Plenty other topics we discuss.
Hi Wally!!!i just finished the video very good video Wally thank you for giving your story. I am sorry you had to go through all that
Hi Wally, I can absolutely understand the pain shunning. my two children, both in their 20s have shunned me for the last 7 years.
I am still grieving for them even now and it breaks my heart i am excluded from there major life events such as there first homes thier engagements and wedding plans
I still drop them occassional text messages to tell them they are missed and loved but never a reply
shunning is the punishment that keeps punishing
I believe i will never meet future grandchildren and that always reduces me to tears.
I do try to keep the door open for them but it is at the detriment to my own mental wellbeing
i wish you well and thank you for speaking out
Cor 7:12-14. The Bible says to honor your mother and father and not to neglect them in their old age. Read Eric froam, the art of loving, it helps you learn to love and accept yourself. Be proud of who you are and that you are free. God bless you.🇱🇷🦅
Woooowwww…..that’s sad! I’ll be your new family!
I woke up last year and refuse to have any part of this cultish deceitful religion!
My little brother ..your words got deep into my heart ..The God of the witness is a demon !
I was treated so bad in the JW organization cause my husband married me and I wasn't a Jw myself at that time people alwasy putting me down They shunned me and I felt so depressed I thought may If I get baptized I would be accepted as a sister but not it never happened We go sick of this and left for good!
I never understood the shunning policy, these people are grown adults and being told not to speak to someone by some elder. If you don’t want to speak to someone FINE, but you do it because you don’t want to not because some spiritual leader from a Cult tells you NOT TO.🤦♀️🤷🏼♀️🙄🥺😳
Hi Wally and Zeezy, appreciated this video, being shunned is one of the most painful things a person can experience. Sending hugs. 🥰
thanks for the hugs!
All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible????????
@@exjehovahswitness Only thing exjws know 's is to criticizing Jehovah's witnesses nothing else.
Hi Wally‼ Thanks for what you are doing. Love all of your videos. I did not spend much time with the JW (from birth til about 13, I ran away) cult, but I can relate FIRSTHAND as to how they treat non-JW's and how hypocritcal they are. I did not baptize, but was a publisher with a very popular elder (+) uncle. I am still able to chat and interact, even at times to attend functions. What boggles me is how easy it is to brainwash so many people. It kills me.
I hope you are learning how to heal, please make sure you self-care. ❤🩹
You're a much better man than most of the men in the congregation!
well thanks
I am so glad that I have found your blog page. My story is quite long so I'll send you a text and my cell number cause I really needed this, and what I mean is ..I needed someone who I could talk to about what's happening to my family and the relationship with my wife of 30 years, which is now so far on the rocks that I have had to steel my mind and heart to prepare for what will be my second divorce in my life after all of the work, pain and trouble I went through to regain my footing on having a life. I will be sending you my story and I have even thought of writing a book about my life, but I really don't like putting my business on FB like a lot of people do. So I just wanted to Thank you for having the courage to standout in the open and provide a place where anyone with experience first hand dealing with the JW's, can have a voice where they can be heard. I'll be sending you my number and text within the next few days, like possibly 11/21/22..Namaste...
Hi Wally! Your giant hug meant a lot actually. This video helped me a lot. Thanks from the bottom of my heart ❤️
Hi wally! We love you . You're awesome! 😊😊.
Also, may I say, I do not know your family, but just watching how genuine and kind you are, I know it must be really hard for them to shun you. I go through the same shunning with my brother and mom. I have to work on my anger towards this satanic cult, because they have truly stole our families and it really sucks that they have that kind of power over anyone. Thanks for your videos and always know, you rock!
Hi Wally. Went to Costco today ... NO LINE UPS. You rock !!!!
It's not a coincidence lol. You're welcome for the power that is JW Thoughts.
Good morning Wally 👋🏽 i understand your pain bro im on that same boat. None of my family reaches out to me on anything and i stopped texting my family about situations i get into. But yeah i would be the same way if they reach out to me to apologize for the time spent. It would be really hard to accept it because now im at the point well im alone (well i still have my gf former witness too) minus on well keep on being to myself forget my family...mom, dad, two younger siblings, grandma, grandad, etc. That are witnesses in my family
I'm so sorry that your family is shunning you. I have always believed that it goes against Bible principles and is just cruel. If you have to shun people to keep your religion "pure" than something is clearly wrong. If they were truly God's one true religion, they would lead with love, not shunning. I was never baptized so my family never shunned me, but they could have! I was not going to meetings, or practicing the religion in any way, so they could have kicked me out and shunned me. The pain is unimaginable. Thank you for sharing your experiences and your knowledge with us all. Take care! Love to Zeezy!!
Hi Wally! I’m so sorry you’re going through this! You have a family here❤