Matt I salute you as an ex-Muslim. Actually I can't really call myself an ex-Muslim since I never truly believed but rather had these ideas literally forced upon me since childhood. I remember being a 9 year old kid complaining about the inconsistencies of the Quran and being silenced by my religion teacher saying something regarding the miracle of the Quran in literature when even then I thought it to be a bullshit explaination but I was forced to accept it otherwise I risk taking a beating. This is the kind of things happen when you allow religion to take authority. For all the theist apologists out there.
David Anewman: based on complete lack of evidence for the existence of a god or gods...that would be more than sufficient to say they both got it wrong.
As Sam Harris pointed out; it's strange that God made Shakespeare a better writer than his omnipotent self. I would add that it is strange that omnipotent Allah wrote a book that only makes sense in one language.
Suk Mike Hok I think he might be talking about apologists who try to avoid legitimate criticism by telling people they couldn’t possibly comprehend Islam unless they’ve read the Quran in Arabic or whatever language it was originally written in.
And yet the majority of muslims are non-arab, the message has impacted billions of lives and has remained un-corrupted, but apparently your opinion which I would assume isn't based off any genuine research holds more value than these facts. Lol.
Arsalan Rizvi i don’t really see why your facts are relevant. The largest group in Islam are south Asians, like Indians and pakistanis. So what? What’s your point? “The message has impacted billions of lives.” So? It doesn’t make it true. It’s only impacted about half the lives of Christianity, does that make Christianity twice as true? “The message has remained uncorrupted.” It doesn’t matter since it’s never been established to be true.
@@arsalanrizvi4616 Un-corrupted, eh? Just up until I quote something from the quran in English, or any of the 25+ different Arabic versions. Then all of a sudden it's a wrong translation or out of context, neither of which could be true if the text was un-alterable or -uncorrupted.
@ the fact that the scriptures points to God tells me nothing about whether that God is factual or real. If Lord of the Rings points to Sauron does that mean he's real? And here's the problem - SCRIPTURE - languages and interpretations change and evolve which leads to conflict and differences of opinion. Notice in Islam how quick Muslims are to re-interpret controversial verses a variety of ways because Allah want clear enough, or the verses are embarrassing enough to force them to re-interpret. These are the proverbial Allah's helpers or clarifiers. If this is the best method a God has in delivering his message - it's utterly counter-productive and a failed system. If he has other ways but won't use it - it's not my problem, shouldn't be my problem. Peace to u 2.
@ Scriptures alluding to God has nothing to do with whether there is a God. The Greeks alluded to Thor so therefore Thor was a god, right? The primitive tribes in Papua New Guinea also have a god, so therefore they received scripture, right? When people don't have answers, they invent gods - it's part of our evolutionary development. Sauron just represents this "all seeing eye" another facet of a god. It's all myth, stories and fantasies. Islam has to be pluralistic to account for the massive fallacies, discrepancies and contradictions contained in the Quran. Without a proper central message but rather dualistic in nature, people have no choice but to invent stuff and apply it. Simply put Islam is not required if there's already beliefs out there that are less pluralistic, make more sense, more tolerant and produces fewer terrorists.
I came across this channel during my last few years of believing and could never get enough of it. The amount of truth that came from watching it, and my second wife, who was apparently waaaaay smarter than myself that she never believed, changed my whole outlook on this BS. So, I guess what I'm saying is, thank you Matt and company!!!!
I find it admirable that you were willing to listen to the arguments and change your mind on the subject, many flat out refuse to even listen to the arguments presented.
These guys have no idea what they are talking about. In order to study a book (in this case the Quran) and see how it is unique (in this case God's word) you analyze the text from linguistic point of view. To begin with, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was not able to read or write himself, so there goes the theory that he borrowed it from other books. Now lets talk about the linguistics of the Quran, after studying it they concluded that it's not man-made. This is based on the style of writing of that time, the books/writers of that time, the poets, scholars etc. The uniqueness of the vocabulary, the length of the verses, the choice of metaphors, the ability to memorize the Quran word for word makes it miraculous. The predictions that it has made have all come true. The content of it is supported by science: mountains acting as pegs and giving stability to land, the pulsating star, the expansion of the universe, the revolving of planets around the sun, the creation of living things from water, the formation of rain from clouds.....the list goes on an on. NONE of it goes against science. Only recently they discovered the pulsating star and it was written about in the Quran more than 1400 years ago. Only recently they found out that the universe is expanding, the Quran stated this more than 1400 years ago. So when the Quran challenges you to write a verse like it, you take all of that into consideration. These guys are just giving their baselss opinions without knowing anything about the Quran.
@@lightwithin6651 the whole idea that a God with all the power of the world would present information in writing or a book is laughable at best. Maybe you funny know that Arabs were at the top of the heap in science and space until the Muslim religion stifled their education by forcing the laws of that very book.
I also posted several contradictions while debating with at least on Muslim on this website and after doing so he said show me the contradictions *AFTER DOING PRECISELY THAT!* He did it again when I reposted them. That just says it all.
How people can look at the abrahamic books and think the *best* explanation is they were inspired by god (and not a result of oral tradition/myth) is beyond me.
It's indoctrination and abuse by making people fearful. When I was a kid , I was told all the time that if I sinned I'd burn forever and never see my mom, which horrified me because she had cancer. When I was 6 my grandfather actually told me that if I ever turned out gay that he'd kill me, he pointed to a shotgun and said ill.blow your head off. It's not always about just being irrational , it's about making people afraid of being themselves.
As an ex-Muslim mystery I have to say I am familiar with all the Quran claims and how it challenges humans to produce even one small chapter like it , and it says ppl can not ever do that ! I was wondering what that means since it causes some logical problems , no book is same as the other , I can say that Mozart and Beethoven composed musics that nobody can produce like it , Is that a miracle too , ?! It is hard to understand what it means really , just a claim that makes no sense . and other problems in Quran and Islamic laws > mistakes , contradictions, false logic , false science ….. false historical events …. That’s why many Muslims become Ex- Muslims .
It challenges humans to write a small chapter just like it, really? 😂😂 I present to you the constitutions of the democratic countries of the world in the 21st century, hell even the 20th century. Much better writings, much more moral and make way more sense.
11:07 - "We don't need to go there". Yes you do (as Matt rightly says). When a religion says it holds up a paedophile as a holy man, something is really wrong. The argument that is often used to refute this is one of "Oh, things were different in those times" but then the next question would have to be "Then why are you taking these peoples' word for things?" if they were basing their morals on their societies' morals of the time which even you think was lacking.
He wasn’t a paedophile my friend Muhammad married Aisha when she was 17-18 she is a liar go read more about her the Sunnis say she was the best wife when she gets jealous in their books and in Shia books she is a liar and an untrusted person as the prophet only married her to stop the people from fighting her tribe he was trying to bring the people closer. She stood against imam Ali and sided with mauwiyah LA and disobeyed the prophet and cheated on him
Consider the works of shakespeare, can you produce better? Probably not, but that doesnt mean that midsummers night dream was a true account of events.
Probably Not my name: Boy, I thought of Shakespeare, too...maybe we're selling the Bard of Avon short, and he was god...or at least inspired by god. Drat, that sounds serious...which it isn't.
Master Exploder, what in particular makes you think he was a crap writer? I’m tempted to say that Shakespeare has been shown to be a good writer by the long history of people liking his work. Writing for entertainment is ‘good’ if it entertains. And Shakespeare continues to entertain hundreds of years after his death.
“Better” is relative and any argument based on it is invalid. I’m sure there’s some fallacy or something. Not that I disagree with the overall meaning of the statement.
I like how theists make a statement and when it's addressed by the hosts, they respond with " yes I see your point or I agree, but" and then they repeat their statement as if they didn't really see the point or agree or maybe it just went right over their head
Why does a self-sustaining, omnipotent being require and demand self-worship to such degree that he is inclined to punish his own creation for eternity in a place of anguish if they don't follow his instructions closely or offer him continual propitiations through an ancient book written in a language that a small percentage of the Earth's population can read and fewer can understand? A book that is open to interpretation and susceptible to incorrect and jumbled translation? Of course god would dictate his message--through his final prophet--in a language that only a few camel-herds located in the ass-end of nowhere spoke. He'd also ensure that the only people who could truly understand his message would have to be fluent in that language. You see, there’s no such thing as “real Islam”; there are multiple versions of it, however. Apart from the few most basic concepts, like the existence of heaven and hell, and oneness of Allah, each Muslim has a slightly different idea and understanding of what Islam entails and demands, and that’s completely natural, since Islam is what the average human beings of unexceptional intelligence subjectively understand and believe. Some view this as a flaw in God’s design, leaving the religion in the hands of imperfect humans. A God could’ve sent his commands telepathically to all humans, but, for some reason, chose to write a book in a language which more than half the world doesn't even understand. A book over the interpretations of which mankind has been bickering, fighting and even killing for over a thousand years. We may blame this on the stupidity of human beings, but who created these stupid humans in the first place? And more importantly, why did He not anticipate the inevitable sectarianism?
In the Qur'an God says there is only one unforgivable sin: ascribing partners to Him. It may well be that God forgives many or all that do not worship Him. God is the Most Merciful, and whether you believe it or not, you will return to Him. The Qur'an is perfectly balanced, just as God says that it is. For every time God threatens the punishment of hellfire he also says that He is the Most Merciful and forgives whomever He wants. Funny, the more people like yourself who don't believe that the Qur'an could be the Word of God protest, the more I adore it. I love every word of the Qur'an. The first reading was amazing, and I just wanted to keep saying "Amen!" to every verse. Alhamdulillah!
@@SqeakyToy So what you're saying is that nothing matters and that god can send you to hell even though you followed all rules. You want to be slave to an imaginary supernatural repulsive monster.
Even if I agree that the Quran is brilliantly written, I don't but hypothetically, that wouldn't be proof any god had any hand in it. It would merely mean Muhammad was a good storyteller.
@@RegebroRepairs Really? Then I'll clarify whyat I said. There is no case for the quran being god's word - because the god of the quran doesn't exist. Neither does the god of the bible or the talmud/torah. I'll explain: if the subject god of a book doesn't exist then that book cannot possibly be that god's word. There is no evidence, anywhere, to suggest that the abrahamic god exists, therefore it's unreasonable - and unjustified - to accept that books about said god are that god's word. A god that doesn't exist cannot say stuff.
@micheal Dodds science it self has proven the existence of God of the Bible Hawkins once said "IF MASS EXISTED AND GENERAL RELATIVITY IS TRUE THEN THE SPACE AND TIME MUST BE CREATED OR HAVE THE BEGINNING AND THE BEGINNER IS A CAUSAL AGENT WHO TRANSCENDED SPACE AND TIME" . only God of the Bible claims he created universe,time and space
@MsReylla Well which is it? If he didn't exist then no 5 year old was married. Mohammed (pbuh) existed and was not a pedophile. Some accounts say Aisha was 19 when Mohammed (pbuh) married her. How do you know that isn't true?
It is called "The Quran Challenge". What a person needs to do is write a couple of sentences and ask anyone to write two sentences that are better. Keep in mind that there is no actual criteria what is "better" and, the person who wrote the original two sentences gets to judge any and all submitted challenges.
@@howtodoit4204 First, the Quran was written in the 7th century. Did you see how it was written? Was there input from other people? Did scribes help out? But the biggest issue is that there are many errors in the Quran. There are millions of Muslims who take the Quran literally who disbelieve in the theory of evolution because it does not agree with the Quran.
Yes well apparently it's "not the same" if it's translated into other languages. Surely the word of God should translate perfectly from one language to another?
@@l.ronhubbard5445 I mean, like, you know, like, that sounds, like, you know, logical, you know what I mean? I mean, like when you , like, consider, that, like, you know, like, half of the population, like, approximately, has, like, a below, like, average IQ, right, you can't, like, expect them to, like, learn some, like, self, you know, like, self reflection, am I right?
For a music listener, Mahler's 9th symphony may appear as dictated by God, because it's very difficult to imagine the intentional composition process leading to such incredible piece. Some day Earth will get fried by expanding Sun. My biggest regret is that such greatest creations of human mind as Mahler's 9th and Beethoven's op.111 will be then lost forever, like tears in rain.
The Quran came from Mohammed's brain, not from Yahweh. Yahweh is imaginary. "As it was initially spoken, the Quran was recorded on tablets, bones, and the wide, flat ends of date palm fronds. However, the Quran did not exist in book form at the time of Muhammad's death in 632. There is agreement among scholars that Muhammad himself did not write down the revelations. Thomas Carlyle, after reading Sale's translation, called the Quran "toilsome reading and a wearisome confused jumble, crude, incondite" with "endless iterations, long-windedness, entanglement" and "insupportable stupidity." He said it is the work of a "great rude human soul". Gerd Rüdiger Puin noted that approximately every fifth sentence of it does not make any sense despite the Qur'an's own claim of being a clear book. Salomon Reinach wrote that this book warrants little merit from a literary point of view. " Wikipedia My comment: I tried reading both the Bible and the Quran several times. The Bible was bad but the Quran was worse.
The Lord of the Rings (more especially The Silmarilion) is just as well written as myth as Quran by metrics used by those who claim the Quran is special.
Matt, You are the most honest and enlightened person I have heard in a long time. You are a brave spokesman for the reality of non-believers. It is amazing that billions of people still believe in these ancient myths.
What's he talking about is called the Quran challenge, and it's the most ridiculous thing ever, because even if you were to prove that the Quran is not the product of human mind, it doesn't mean it's from God , since the god claim itself has not met its burden of proof and even then you would still have to establish the divinity involvement since other agencies must be ruled out as well such as aliens or even angels and demons. Secondly, the Quran is full of contradictions and errors on all levels let alone being the worst "literature" ever composed and as a fluent Arabic speaking ex-Muslim I know for a fact that Arabic poetry is far more eloquent, articulate and coherent than any given Quranic verse especially the pre-Islamic literature which is highly rich in such qualities and right to the point, in fact if there's any beauty found in the Quran is due to Muhammad's plagiarism of pre-Islamic poetry.
@@arsalanrizvi4616 Being an ex-Mislim does tend to make one more qualified than most people in the Western world to challenge Islam. That does not make him an authority, and he never claimed to be one. If you can't handle regular people blaspheming Islam, there are more constructive things to do about it than accusing naysayers in comment sections of being desperate.
@@AD-dg3zz He didn't have to say anything about being an authority, just look at the way his whole comment is constructed as if being an ex muslim and native arabic speaker gives him the authority to make such large claims. Of course you and others will big up him when you need that conformation bias. Also being more qualified than most in the "Western world" is hardly an achievement nor is it a proper way to measure ones knowledge on the subject.
"Muhammad rode on a winged horse to heaven and the reason why there's a crescent moon was because he cut it with his sword." .....da fuc?? Suddenly Christ walking on water seems conservative in comparison...
Ok Matt use this analogy. I love drag racing and I have a race car and a Christian has a race car. We're at the race track and the Christian sez, "My car can do the quarter in 9.5 seconds" "Wow, are you sure? That's impressive", I say, "I really wanna see that!" Then the Christian sez, "But you can't prove I can't do it".
I can think of MANY books way better than the Quran. The Dark Tower series, Harry Potter, Frankenstein, Ender's Game, ACOTAR, I mean literallly most books are better from literary and linguistic stand point. Hell,Tolkien used Lord of the Rings to create languages from.whole cloth.
The study the Qur'an proves that the book is not possible to have been written by a human. And certainly not the prophet Muhammad. Actually a person who is able write it has not yet been born. There's no community of people who all together could produce the book. You cannot say this about any other book and it is objectively provable to anyone who studies it.
I read only LOTR from this list and it is really good! ;) The single best work of a man to date, most god-like, is probably calculus by Isaac Newton, who accomplished it by the age of 24.
The final 2-1/2 minutes of this video is a wonderfully epic diatribe from Matt against all religious apologists, mohammedan or otherwise.. This is why we need these guys (and gals) at the Atheist Experience to publicly speak some sense to the superstitious! You tell 'em, Sir!!
Muslim theology is like ok God only reveal himself / herself to chosen ppl ! Like Abraham , Moses , Jesus , Muhammad…. and not took donate public , Cz …. he chooses the best characters from all humans ,! I mean the concept of “ perfect God , perfect Book , and perfect man ) Others ( average joe ) is left to obey these “ prophets “ and the “ Laws “ they bring .! 😳😳😳 So the Divine Laws changes with every new prophet,,,, but the “ last prophet “ was Muhammad. 😳😳😳🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
For years I’ve noticed that christian apologists are doing a miserable job of proving their fairy tale is true, but the muslim apologists are trying to lower the bar. The muslim apologists even try to recycle many of the failed “arguments” the christians have finally given up on.
I don't read Arabic to know, but I'm suspicious because the Christians also pull this "it's so beautifully written" crap and, bluntly, it's just not true. There's a really long pointless bit where random names are begatting other random names. Goes on seemingly forever. When I was a Christian, I decided that I'd actually read the Bible cover-to-cover and the "begat" bit was where I gave up on that quest. Around the same time, I was reading a "History of Western Science" book and, well, I'm an atheist now, so guess which book actually gripped me with its truth, its humanity, its far superior writing, its opening of my eyes to how reality actually works, etc.? Because, no, the Bible's not remotely close to a good read. Revelations is basically totally incomprehensible. There's repeated bits. Repeated bits that contradict each other - so that's the first rule of "internal self-consistency" out of the window. It's full of bizarre digressions. Even as a work of mythology, it's committing horrid narrative structure faults all over the place. Sorry, as a work of literature, the Bible isn't very good. It's a crap read. I've seen even atheists sign up to this "well, of course, the Bible is a great work of literature". No, honestly, it isn't. There's far better works of literature pre-dating it - the Ancient Greeks and such - so it's not even impressive for its time either. The best you can say is that it's a significant work of literature because of all the people who follow the religion - and, as many studies have shown, most of those followers have, in fact, not even bothered to read their own holy texts, as Biblical knowledge is atrociously poor - but it's not "a great work of literature". When it's not incomprehensible, it's highly digressive. When it's not just plain irrelevant, then it's boring. Where it's not entirely boring, it's got dreadful narrative structure. Where it's at least readable, it's forever internally self-inconsistent. Bible book review: 4/10. And, well, I'm deeply suspicious of similar claims about the Quran - however beautifully sung it might be from the minarets - because, after all, it's got large sections plagiarised from its predecessors. And I know those are shite, so I'm not holding out hope that the "rewrite" suddenly makes it a gripping read, you know?
Yeah, I also tried reading the bible in my teen years, it didn't make a lick of sense. It was a similar experience to sitting on a sofa next to a guy high on weed, who rambles on about his awakening to the world and seeing random bizarro stuff. I didn't even get to page 20.
Gooey Prickles 1. Personal experiences don’t prove anything to anyone else other than the person who had the experiences, the same with testimonies. 2. Thoughts can not manipulate reality. 3. “There’s some sort of metaphysical aspect to reality..” No there isn’t. That’s woo.
@Gooey Prickles just because a single person believes something, does not make it true. That's an argument from authority. There's no actual empirical evidence of the metaphysical
11:38 seems to be the moment he hung up the phone. I think Matt missed it but I'm pretty sure the caller was offended and decided to hang up at that point.
@@Nexils I'm sure they probably do but it would still be possible to miss as well. It just seemed like the caller hung up because of the background noise and the fact that the caller doesn't respond at all afterwards.
Christians are lucky when compared to Muslims. They don't have to pray 5 times a day, prostrating themselves before an imaginary being. And the best thing of all is they are saved by Jesus, even if they are sinners. Plus, they can wear anything they like.
Regardless of whether Islam is peaceful or not, I will never forgive it for its disdain against homosexuals. And don’t you dare tell me it was only a product of the era. Homosexuals had previously been widely accepted in places like Ancient Greece and Rome, and it was religions like Christianity that brought in a massive wave of homophobia, and Islam would only continue that. If God really loved his followers infinitely, he wouldn’t have made them hate anyone for being gay.
I love how they keep repeating the same argument over and over, as if saying it differently....or even just saying it again...will suddenly make it a good argument. Abe tried to reword it 3 times in the first 5 or so minutes.
Oh, it is so grating when the caller doesn't really understand what the hosts have said, then they "agree" by saying, "Yes," or "Okay," or "Yeah" and then they go on with their argument anyway, without actually understanding a thing. Why do they "agree" when they don't?
I think, at least in this particular case, he just wanted to put the arguments he's been hearing in favor of Islam through them so that they could provide him with their point of view. It sounded like he was having his doubts and was only exposed to the Islamic arguments and never to the counterarguments, so he wanted to know what they'd respond so he could make up his own mind.
They need to take time to actually agree. They probably still process what they heard from the hosts while simultaneously continue on with the old argument probably unconsciously.
david hollyfield: Agree...I often think the same thing. Tracy will spend time going "back" to where the caller is, and slowly working them up to understanding...but it's often slow. Matt gets volatile a little quickly. I've seen Don and others here take more time working on that...I wish Matt could stop using "big" words and dumb it down for them. But I guess he's too knowledgeable to quite understand how far back he has to go to reach them. Or he's just unwilling to take that much time and to dumb his own words down.
Gotta love those tangents Matt goes on.They used to be semi rare but now Matt don’t hold back even a little bit.I think he’s fed up wit the bullshit from the callers.
You watch this enough( episodes) you see a pattern. All Callers seem get stumped. To defend their view point. I think most are on the fence about their religion. Few are just wack jobs.
Many of them obviously have never had to actually think about their beliefs at all. Some of them think they are master debaters because they have been preaching to the choir their whole lives, and think debating is easy.
I'm waiting for A CONVINCING ARGUMENT.. So far, nothing but shallow and stupid … Or, from the high level Apologists, complicated word play, littered with Straw men and Red herrings, in an effort to lure you into confusion.
I love the AHA! @3:02 One thing is that the Quran is a beautiful piece of literature, and other is that it says something true AHA!, I'd say touché But if anyone reads the 1st page of the Quran, we find the 1st fallacy when talking to Muslims, How do we know that the Quran is the word of God? Because the Quran says so in the 1st page. Circular argument right there
The Muslim individual who called in, Abe if you can please reply to this message or comment on the first newest video on my RUclips channel with your Skype or details so I could contact you. I’m a Muslim brother from Australia and I can clarify your question with certainty I promise. Jazak allah al khair
What Matt says at the end, about only hearing from gods chosen representatives and not from god himself, has got to be one of the best things I have ever heard said.
@@howtodoit4204 - Because he didn't. There are multiple ancient Arabic transcripts of the Quran, all stemming from very close to the life of Muhamad, and they all have errors and contradictions. All versions of the ancient transcripts contain both scientific and historical errors. Just because your tradition is that there are no errors does not mean that is factual. Errors in the Quran are numerous and well known.
@@jsmith1746 no they are not well known you can’t just fit in what you think. The thing that destroys your cute argument is the fact Muslims memorized Quran 😃. No one can challenge that fact young man
@@howtodoit4204 - The mistakes are well known to those who aren't groomed from birth to obey unconditionally. Your memorizing the book does not change the fact that it still has many historical and scientific inaccuracies.
@@jsmith1746 you are not that intelligent it seems. i said we memorize the quran as to preserve it and it is a proof for Quran miraculous nature because allah said in the quran we made it easy to memorize. The groom of a child has nothing to do with this talk it just shows how you jump around with no logic and rationality. just living. Lmao did you just say quran has many scientific inaccuracies? then bring all those inaccuracies
@@howtodoit4204 : Well there are at least 30 different Arabic Qurans, and there is no consensus on which of those versions is "perfectly preserved". But here is a sample: Semen is formed between the backbone and ribs. The earth is flat. There are seven earths. The sun and the moon chase each other around the earth. The sun goes into a murky pool at night. Embryos are blood clots. The sky is solid and held up by allah. Want more?
From what I've read of the Qur'an so far, it doesn't seem impressive at all. It contains contradictions, factual errors, and absurdities. I see no reason to believe that it is the word of God.
So perfect its 99.9999999...% hostile to life and nothing can survive in it. Wow as far as video game sandboxes go, that's pretty shit design, yet we're to believe an omnipotent cretin made it all perfectly.
Even if I could write a book just as inspiring as the bible/quran, the theists would just claim that I only did it because their god wanted me to and was helping me, so it'd be a mood point.
1.46 Please do tell Abe, that many have produced Suras(chapters) and Ayat(verses) like the those of the Qur'an and even better. Muslims keep ignoring them and denying the similarity. RUclips has a few posted. You can't convince a predisposed (aka BLOCKED) mind.
The caller heard an apologist make an argument that sounded compelling to him when he heard it because he lacked the critical thinking skills to find that it had no merit.
"produce something like it" -anyone who thinks the quran is a literary masterpiece knows nothing of world literature. All you need to to confirm this is ask any of the brainwashed to name a single except from anything written by Shakespeare or Goethe even minor classics such as The Rubaiyat or the lyrics of art songs. Surely, there are similarly moving and superior works in every major language and culture. They can't name any of them because they've never read anything but the quran. As for the claims that the quran has never changed, that's absolute nonsense. The documentary evidences of the quran's changes are readily available.
Jon is not worthy to be Matt's co host. Sorry i dont mean any disrespect. He never brings anything of substance to the discussions and his silly chuckling is so irritating.
I mean, like, you know, like I hear, like, a lot of like, arguments from, like, atheists, like... AAAARGH! If a god existed he would smite you to pieces for that shit! At least TRY to complete a sentence without making random sounds that add no meaning.
These always remind of the old George Carlin routine. “ if god is all powerful and all knowing, can he produce an object that is so heavy that he himself can not lift it?”
And I say that " Twilight" comes from the Devil... No person in his right mind would write a love story where a girl has to choose between necr-philia and ped-philia..
@@hellothere6728 A dead body cannot not consent. It's biological matter, nothing more. Dead organisms like plants and non-human animals cannot consent to being eaten, yet we still eat them. What makes dead human organisms so different that they can consent after death while dead non-human organisms can't?
Too many religions claim they have the true word of a God. The Muslims and Christians have the same God but different books. Both cant be the word of God.
Matt I salute you as an ex-Muslim. Actually I can't really call myself an ex-Muslim since I never truly believed but rather had these ideas literally forced upon me since childhood. I remember being a 9 year old kid complaining about the inconsistencies of the Quran and being silenced by my religion teacher saying something regarding the miracle of the Quran in literature when even then I thought it to be a bullshit explaination but I was forced to accept it otherwise I risk taking a beating. This is the kind of things happen when you allow religion to take authority. For all the theist apologists out there.
Me too, same as you. I'm surrounded by idiots who continue to believe this islamic bullshit.
My experience also.
Mark Twain : "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also."
@Omar Awawdeh - Mark Twain was not an atheist but a Deist & he is talking about Christianity in which he was raised.
I gotta thank you for this quote. You have no idea how this quote just changed my thought
Great quote. Thank you!
My mom says Muslims got it wrong and Christians got it right. I say they both got it wrong.
David Anewman: based on complete lack of evidence for the existence of a god or gods...that would be more than sufficient to say they both got it wrong.
@David Anewman 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
@David Anewman We try and ignore all the ignorant comments in existence but you keep showing up......
YOU'RE RIGHT !!
@@tonyaratlaff7990 We know how you feel about them.
As Sam Harris pointed out; it's strange that God made Shakespeare a better writer than his omnipotent self.
I would add that it is strange that omnipotent Allah wrote a book that only makes sense in one language.
@@wall37 Yeah, I think that's much better. I don't think killing unbelievers and treating your wife as a sex slave makes sense in any language.
Suk Mike Hok I think he might be talking about apologists who try to avoid legitimate criticism by telling people they couldn’t possibly comprehend Islam unless they’ve read the Quran in Arabic or whatever language it was originally written in.
And yet the majority of muslims are non-arab, the message has impacted billions of lives and has remained un-corrupted, but apparently your opinion which I would assume isn't based off any genuine research holds more value than these facts. Lol.
Arsalan Rizvi i don’t really see why your facts are relevant.
The largest group in Islam are south Asians, like Indians and pakistanis. So what? What’s your point?
“The message has impacted billions of lives.”
So? It doesn’t make it true. It’s only impacted about half the lives of Christianity, does that make Christianity twice as true?
“The message has remained uncorrupted.”
It doesn’t matter since it’s never been established to be true.
@@arsalanrizvi4616 Un-corrupted, eh? Just up until I quote something from the quran in English, or any of the 25+ different Arabic versions. Then all of a sudden it's a wrong translation or out of context, neither of which could be true if the text was un-alterable or -uncorrupted.
"Why is every single one of gods representatives a piece of shit?"
Damn Matt, you are a savage!
You are not even a molecule for God so lets consider your words a fart
@@QasimsDesk
Are we allowed to fart in allah's mouth?
😷
I speak Arabic & read the Quran in Arabic. Its repetitive, verbose, & contemporarily unscientific.
I don't speak Arabic and could have guessed the same thing 😂
@ Which God are we talking about here - greek, christian or muslim?
@ Each religion has their own god and doesn't trust other gods even though they proclaim it's all one god.
@ the fact that the scriptures points to God tells me nothing about whether that God is factual or real.
If Lord of the Rings points to Sauron does that mean he's real?
And here's the problem - SCRIPTURE - languages and interpretations change and evolve which leads to conflict and differences of opinion. Notice in Islam how quick Muslims are to re-interpret controversial verses a variety of ways because Allah want clear enough, or the verses are embarrassing enough to force them to re-interpret. These are the proverbial Allah's helpers or clarifiers.
If this is the best method a God has in delivering his message - it's utterly counter-productive and a failed system.
If he has other ways but won't use it - it's not my problem, shouldn't be my problem.
Peace to u 2.
@ Scriptures alluding to God has nothing to do with whether there is a God. The Greeks alluded to Thor so therefore Thor was a god, right? The primitive tribes in Papua New Guinea also have a god, so therefore they received scripture, right?
When people don't have answers, they invent gods - it's part of our evolutionary development. Sauron just represents this "all seeing eye" another facet of a god. It's all myth, stories and fantasies.
Islam has to be pluralistic to account for the massive fallacies, discrepancies and contradictions contained in the Quran.
Without a proper central message but rather dualistic in nature, people have no choice but to invent stuff and apply it.
Simply put Islam is not required if there's already beliefs out there that are less pluralistic, make more sense, more tolerant and produces fewer terrorists.
I love the Atheist Experience. Great show.
My God a smart black woman! Can I have your autograph?
No disrespecting women
Are Smart black woman rare to feel the need to ask for her autograph?
There is so much wrong to what John Morris said. Unbelievable of the ignorance in that statement.
It's time for you to learn The Gospel.
I came across this channel during my last few years of believing and could never get enough of it. The amount of truth that came from watching it, and my second wife, who was apparently waaaaay smarter than myself that she never believed, changed my whole outlook on this BS. So, I guess what I'm saying is, thank you Matt and company!!!!
I find it admirable that you were willing to listen to the arguments and change your mind on the subject, many flat out refuse to even listen to the arguments presented.
Welcome to the Dark Side. We have pizza.
These guys have no idea what they are talking about. In order to study a book (in this case the Quran) and see how it is unique (in this case God's word) you analyze the text from linguistic point of view. To begin with, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was not able to read or write himself, so there goes the theory that he borrowed it from other books. Now lets talk about the linguistics of the Quran, after studying it they concluded that it's not man-made. This is based on the style of writing of that time, the books/writers of that time, the poets, scholars etc. The uniqueness of the vocabulary, the length of the verses, the choice of metaphors, the ability to memorize the Quran word for word makes it miraculous. The predictions that it has made have all come true. The content of it is supported by science: mountains acting as pegs and giving stability to land, the pulsating star, the expansion of the universe, the revolving of planets around the sun, the creation of living things from water, the formation of rain from clouds.....the list goes on an on. NONE of it goes against science. Only recently they discovered the pulsating star and it was written about in the Quran more than 1400 years ago. Only recently they found out that the universe is expanding, the Quran stated this more than 1400 years ago. So when the Quran challenges you to write a verse like it, you take all of that into consideration. These guys are just giving their baselss opinions without knowing anything about the Quran.
@@lightwithin6651 it's this very kind of idiocracy that makes me happy to finally be away from....
@@lightwithin6651 the whole idea that a God with all the power of the world would present information in writing or a book is laughable at best. Maybe you funny know that Arabs were at the top of the heap in science and space until the Muslim religion stifled their education by forcing the laws of that very book.
My Muslim friend said the Quran is the only religious book that hasn't got any contradictions.......1 second into googling It I found about 60......
I also posted several contradictions while debating with at least on Muslim on this website and after doing so he said show me the contradictions *AFTER DOING PRECISELY THAT!* He did it again when I reposted them. That just says it all.
@@robertmcelwaine7024 they do not accept anything that proves them wrong. Even verifiable evidence is not accepted by them.
@deanmoncaster can you show me ONE please?
@@emscordam1913 just Google it don't be so lazy
@David Allred that's true. Also anything is true that you want to believe is true is also true!
How people can look at the abrahamic books and think the *best* explanation is they were inspired by god (and not a result of oral tradition/myth) is beyond me.
*MunkyDrag0n* They don't, it's just a some rationalisation which seems to support their conclusion.
If the Bible and Quran were written or inspired by the Hebrew god Yahweh then he is dumber than a box of rocks.
According to their reasoning William Shakespeare may be God.
It's indoctrination and abuse by making people fearful. When I was a kid , I was told all the time that if I sinned I'd burn forever and never see my mom, which horrified me because she had cancer. When I was 6 my grandfather actually told me that if I ever turned out gay that he'd kill me, he pointed to a shotgun and said ill.blow your head off. It's not always about just being irrational , it's about making people afraid of being themselves.
Brainwashing from the day they were born
As an ex-Muslim mystery I have to say I am familiar with all the Quran claims and how it challenges humans to produce even one small chapter like it , and it says ppl can not ever do that !
I was wondering what that means since it causes some logical problems , no book is same as the other , I can say that Mozart and Beethoven composed musics that nobody can produce like it ,
Is that a miracle too , ?!
It is hard to understand what it means really , just a claim that makes no sense .
and other problems in Quran and Islamic laws > mistakes , contradictions, false logic , false science ….. false historical events ….
That’s why many Muslims become Ex- Muslims .
It challenges humans to write a small chapter just like it, really?
😂😂
I present to you the constitutions of the democratic countries of the world in the 21st century, hell even the 20th century. Much better writings, much more moral and make way more sense.
The bill of Rights, the declaration of Independence, and Matthew chapter 5 cannot be equaled.
Ill write 4 words that saved more lives then all the bibles and korans put together..
Boil water before drinking.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
My wife is 6,
And I'm 52.
- Surah 69 (Mohammed, 'Police be upon him')
that killed me
11:07 - "We don't need to go there". Yes you do (as Matt rightly says). When a religion says it holds up a paedophile as a holy man, something is really wrong. The argument that is often used to refute this is one of "Oh, things were different in those times" but then the next question would have to be "Then why are you taking these peoples' word for things?" if they were basing their morals on their societies' morals of the time which even you think was lacking.
He wasn’t a paedophile my friend Muhammad married Aisha when she was 17-18 she is a liar go read more about her the Sunnis say she was the best wife when she gets jealous in their books and in Shia books she is a liar and an untrusted person as the prophet only married her to stop the people from fighting her tribe he was trying to bring the people closer. She stood against imam Ali and sided with mauwiyah LA and disobeyed the prophet and cheated on him
Consider the works of shakespeare, can you produce better? Probably not, but that doesnt mean that midsummers night dream was a true account of events.
Probably Not my name: Boy, I thought of Shakespeare, too...maybe we're selling the Bard of Avon short, and he was god...or at least inspired by god. Drat, that sounds serious...which it isn't.
@Master Exploder
I think the person or people who wrote the koran were crap writers, so the analogy holds. As you said, "better is subjective."
Master Exploder, what in particular makes you think he was a crap writer? I’m tempted to say that Shakespeare has been shown to be a good writer by the long history of people liking his work. Writing for entertainment is ‘good’ if it entertains. And Shakespeare continues to entertain hundreds of years after his death.
Produce a "history" as beautifully realised as Macbeth. Still, as great as that play is, it in no way reflects the reality of historical truth.
“Better” is relative and any argument based on it is invalid. I’m sure there’s some fallacy or something. Not that I disagree with the overall meaning of the statement.
Is it just me or does this call have a huge 'asking for a friend' vibe?
Just some food for thought.
I got that impression too. I think he's having doubts but didn't want to openly admit it at that time.
I like how theists make a statement and when it's addressed by the hosts, they respond with " yes I see your point or I agree, but" and then they repeat their statement as if they didn't really see the point or agree or maybe it just went right over their head
So much shit flies over their head it's amazing.
The ‘like’ affliction is strong with this one
After saying a word over and over it sounds LYKE weird you know lol
like very like strong like
@@mayo8029 and they’re totally unaware of how ridiculous it sounds, its become almost ‘like’ a verbal nervous tic
It like prevented me to listen like to the end of the video.
Yep. I bailed out early after we got past the main event of shifting the burden of proof.
I love how Matt trys to be respectful at first and then works himself up to call Muhammad a pedophile
Because he was a pedophile.
@@spitz5183 pedo word was coined in 1900s
@@howtodoit4204 Why does that matter? At all.
@@howtodoit4204 ok and?????
@@jesperjee Pedo can only be associated with someone who raped girls not married with consent.
Why does a self-sustaining, omnipotent being require and demand self-worship to such degree that he is inclined to punish his own creation for eternity in a place of anguish if they don't follow his instructions closely or offer him continual propitiations through an ancient book written in a language that a small percentage of the Earth's population can read and fewer can understand? A book that is open to interpretation and susceptible to incorrect and jumbled translation? Of course god would dictate his message--through his final prophet--in a language that only a few camel-herds located in the ass-end of nowhere spoke. He'd also ensure that the only people who could truly understand his message would have to be fluent in that language.
You see, there’s no such thing as “real Islam”; there are multiple versions of it, however. Apart from the few most basic concepts, like the existence of heaven and hell, and oneness of Allah, each Muslim has a slightly different idea and understanding of what Islam entails and demands, and that’s completely natural, since Islam is what the average human beings of unexceptional intelligence subjectively understand and believe.
Some view this as a flaw in God’s design, leaving the religion in the hands of imperfect humans. A God could’ve sent his commands telepathically to all humans, but, for some reason, chose to write a book in a language which more than half the world doesn't even understand. A book over the interpretations of which mankind has been bickering, fighting and even killing for over a thousand years. We may blame this on the stupidity of human beings, but who created these stupid humans in the first place? And more importantly, why did He not anticipate the inevitable sectarianism?
Probably because there are no gods
In the Qur'an God says there is only one unforgivable sin: ascribing partners to Him. It may well be that God forgives many or all that do not worship Him. God is the Most Merciful, and whether you believe it or not, you will return to Him.
The Qur'an is perfectly balanced, just as God says that it is. For every time God threatens the punishment of hellfire he also says that He is the Most Merciful and forgives whomever He wants. Funny, the more people like yourself who don't believe that the Qur'an could be the Word of God protest, the more I adore it. I love every word of the Qur'an. The first reading was amazing, and I just wanted to keep saying "Amen!" to every verse. Alhamdulillah!
@@SqeakyToy How do you know there are gods?
@@SqeakyToy So what you're saying is that nothing matters and that god can send you to hell even though you followed all rules. You want to be slave to an imaginary supernatural repulsive monster.
@@S995-n2v assalamualaikum brother good point
I think the Quran, or the religion, it’s around 1400 years. Given humans have been around for 100,000 to 250,000 years. What to took so long?
Even if I agree that the Quran is brilliantly written, I don't but hypothetically, that wouldn't be proof any god had any hand in it. It would merely mean Muhammad was a good storyteller.
"Produce something of similar literary merit"
The Silmarillion. Done. Islam debunked.
There is no case for the quran being god's word - because the god of the quran doesn't exist.
Neither does the god of the bible or the talmud/torah
Although your conclusion is correct, your argument is circular.
@@RegebroRepairs Nope. Books that say something exists when it doesn't isn't circular, it's common sense.
@@Ozone280 Right, but that's not what you said.
@@RegebroRepairs Really? Then I'll clarify whyat I said.
There is no case for the quran being god's word - because the god of the quran doesn't exist.
Neither does the god of the bible or the talmud/torah.
I'll explain: if the subject god of a book doesn't exist then that book cannot possibly be that god's word. There is no evidence, anywhere, to suggest that the abrahamic god exists, therefore it's unreasonable - and unjustified - to accept that books about said god are that god's word. A god that doesn't exist cannot say stuff.
@micheal Dodds science it self has proven the existence of God of the Bible Hawkins once said "IF MASS EXISTED AND GENERAL RELATIVITY IS TRUE THEN THE SPACE AND TIME MUST BE CREATED OR HAVE THE BEGINNING AND THE BEGINNER IS A CAUSAL AGENT WHO TRANSCENDED SPACE AND TIME" . only God of the Bible claims he created universe,time and space
I will _never_ tire of Don's laugh.
Don reminds me of Ed McMahon laughing at Johnny Carsons corny jokes plus he cracks himself up!
Islam boils down to a guy having visions of a deity giving him things he already wanted, including his adopted son's wife..
see wot magic mushrooms do!!!!....Jesus disciples overdosed on them as well!!!lol
@@brothersanguinary9072 well atlist nazis will hate him since he killed everyone exept jews so thats a plus(sr for grammar btw)
And his best friends 6 year old daughter
@Bryan Jones that is the question
@MsReylla Well which is it? If he didn't exist then no 5 year old was married. Mohammed (pbuh) existed and was not a pedophile. Some accounts say Aisha was 19 when Mohammed (pbuh) married her. How do you know that isn't true?
It is called "The Quran Challenge". What a person needs to do is write a couple of sentences and ask anyone to write two sentences that are better. Keep in mind that there is no actual criteria what is "better" and, the person who wrote the original two sentences gets to judge any and all submitted challenges.
Its knowledge will help you find yourself friend if youre capable and intelligent give it a try first
@@QasimsDesk The test is entirely subjective and therefore a waste of time.
@@QasimsDesk It will do no such damn thing.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 poor you, little knowledge is dangerous
@@howtodoit4204 First, the Quran was written in the 7th century. Did you see how it was written? Was there input from other people? Did scribes help out? But the biggest issue is that there are many errors in the Quran. There are millions of Muslims who take the Quran literally who disbelieve in the theory of evolution because it does not agree with the Quran.
If a book came from GOD surely I would be able to understand it in whatever language it was printed, the words would come leaping off the page at me!
Yes well apparently it's "not the same" if it's translated into other languages. Surely the word of God should translate perfectly from one language to another?
Maybe that particular god doesn't want you to understand his book ;)
Yes, but what you are forgetting is bim bam boodle flim flam floo. Ergo, god.
@@howtodoit4204 Didn't Charles Dickens and Conan Doyle publish their work the same way, in weekly episodes of a popular magazine?
@@howtodoit4204 That is what the book tells you yes. My book came from inside banana peels.
I wonder wht Matt never jokes back with Don. He’s my fave on the show. But he sure is serious.
And like, like, I like, was like, maybe like....
It almost gave me an aneurism trying to ignore the "like" from the conversation lol
He is nervous. Sounds like he is on the cusp od becoming an atheist.. give him a break.
@@l.ronhubbard5445 lol... no.
@@l.ronhubbard5445 I mean, like, you know, like, that sounds, like, you know, logical, you know what I mean? I mean, like when you , like, consider, that, like, you know, like, half of the population, like, approximately, has, like, a below, like, average IQ, right, you can't, like, expect them to, like, learn some, like, self, you know, like, self reflection, am I right?
I know! Like, like, like and like. Arrrrrgh!
For a music listener, Mahler's 9th symphony may appear as dictated by God, because it's very difficult to imagine the intentional composition process leading to such incredible piece.
Some day Earth will get fried by expanding Sun. My biggest regret is that such greatest creations of human mind as Mahler's 9th and Beethoven's op.111 will be then lost forever, like tears in rain.
The Quran came from Mohammed's brain, not from Yahweh. Yahweh is imaginary.
"As it was initially spoken, the Quran was recorded on tablets, bones, and the wide, flat ends of date palm fronds. However, the Quran did not exist in book form at the time of Muhammad's death in 632. There is agreement among scholars that Muhammad himself did not write down the revelations.
Thomas Carlyle, after reading Sale's translation, called the Quran "toilsome reading and a wearisome confused jumble, crude, incondite" with "endless iterations, long-windedness, entanglement" and "insupportable stupidity." He said it is the work of a "great rude human soul". Gerd Rüdiger Puin noted that approximately every fifth sentence of it does not make any sense despite the Qur'an's own claim of being a clear book. Salomon Reinach wrote that this book warrants little merit from a literary point of view. " Wikipedia
My comment: I tried reading both the Bible and the Quran several times. The Bible was bad but the Quran was worse.
Matt is brutal. I love him. So much.
The Lord of the Rings (more especially The Silmarilion) is just as well written as myth as Quran by metrics used by those who claim the Quran is special.
Wait, are you claiming the Lord of the Rings is not true?! I am offended by your disbelief! LOL
@@jsmith1746 For a given value of true, it is...
Insert Ben Kenobi being a dick about lying to Luke here
The Lord of the Rings is Real and the Quran is not. Gollum told me this.
did you know allah is also the lord of the ring king solomons ring according to the Islamic myth
The Lord of the Rings is far more better written .
3:20 The Book of Mormon is alleged to be a unique book inspired by God. This doesn't make it true.
Whatever happened to those golden tablets that John Smith claimed (and no one else on Earth ever saw) was the inspiration for the Book of Mormon?
@@markjwolfson Buried in a sand pit- not difficult to hide.
Matt, You are the most honest and enlightened person I have heard in a long time. You are a brave spokesman for the reality of non-believers. It is amazing that billions of people still believe in these ancient myths.
What's he talking about is called the Quran challenge, and it's the most ridiculous thing ever, because even if you were to prove that the Quran is not the product of human mind, it doesn't mean it's from God , since the god claim itself has not met its burden of proof and even then you would still have to establish the divinity involvement since other agencies must be ruled out as well such as aliens or even angels and demons.
Secondly, the Quran is full of contradictions and errors on all levels let alone being the worst "literature" ever composed and as a fluent Arabic speaking ex-Muslim I know for a fact that Arabic poetry is far more eloquent, articulate and coherent than any given Quranic verse especially the pre-Islamic literature which is highly rich in such qualities and right to the point, in fact if there's any beauty found in the Quran is due to Muhammad's plagiarism of pre-Islamic poetry.
I wouldn't say it's the worst literature ever composed. Have you ever read "50 Shades of Grey?"
Apparently being an "ex muslim" is enough to be an authority on the Quran and Islam. You guys are desperate.
@@arsalanrizvi4616 Being an ex-Mislim does tend to make one more qualified than most people in the Western world to challenge Islam. That does not make him an authority, and he never claimed to be one. If you can't handle regular people blaspheming Islam, there are more constructive things to do about it than accusing naysayers in comment sections of being desperate.
@@AD-dg3zz He didn't have to say anything about being an authority, just look at the way his whole comment is constructed as if being an ex muslim and native arabic speaker gives him the authority to make such large claims. Of course you and others will big up him when you need that conformation bias. Also being more qualified than most in the "Western world" is hardly an achievement nor is it a proper way to measure ones knowledge on the subject.
Arsalan Rizvi
Being an ex-Muslim or having in-depth knowledge about the Quran does not necessarily make me the authority in judging Islam(btw I’m sharia college graduate) but it would help a lot though, don’t you think!?
Besides, it does not take scholarship or even basic knowledge to spot the frivolity of the Quran;
وَفَعَلْتَ فَعْلَتَكَ الَّتِي فَعَلْتَ وَأَنْتَ مِنَ الْكَافِرِينَ (19) قَالَ فَعَلْتُهَا إِذًا وَأَنَا مِنَ الضَّالِّينَ
قَالُوا يَا مُوسَى إِنَّ فِيهَا قَوْمًا جَبَّارِينَ وَإِنَّا لَن نَّدْخُلَهَا حَتَّىَ يَخْرُجُواْ مِنْهَا فَإِن يَخْرُجُواْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّا دَاخِلُونَ
60) لَيْسَ عَلَى الْأَعْمَى حَرَجٌ وَلَا عَلَى الْأَعْرَجِ حَرَجٌ وَلَا عَلَى الْمَرِيضِ حَرَجٌ وَلَا عَلَى أَنْفُسِكُمْ أَنْ تَأْكُلُوا مِنْ بُيُوتِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ آبَائِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ أُمَّهَاتِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ إِخْوَانِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ أَخَوَاتِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ أَعْمَامِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ عَمَّاتِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ أَخْوَالِكُمْ أَوْ بُيُوتِ خَالَاتِكُمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكْتُمْ مَفَاتِحَهُ أَوْ صَدِيقِكُمْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَنْ تَأْكُلُوا جَمِيعًا أَوْ أَشْتَاتًا فَإِذَا دَخَلْتُمْ بُيُوتًا فَسَلِّمُوا عَلَى أَنْفُسِكُمْ تَحِيَّةً مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ مُبَارَكَةً طَيِّبَةً كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ (61) إِنَّ
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ إِنَّا أَحْلَلْنَا لَكَ أَزْوَاجَكَ الَّلاتِي آتَيْتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّا أَفَاء اللَّهُ عَلَيْكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمَّاتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالاتِكَ الَّلاتِي هَاجَرْنَ مَعَكَ وَامْرَأَةً مُّؤْمِنَةً إِن وَهَبَتْ نَفْسَهَا لِلنَّبِيِّ إِنْ أَرَادَ النَّبِيُّ أَن يَسْتَنكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَّكَ مِن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ قَدْ عَلِمْنَا مَا فَرَضْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِي أَزْوَاجِهِمْ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ لِكَيْلا يَكُونَ عَلَيْكَ حَرَجٌ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا
لَّيْسَ الْبِرَّ أَن تُوَلُّواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ قِبَلَ الْمَشْرِقِ وَالْمَغْرِبِ وَلَكِنَّ الْبِرَّ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَالْمَلائِكَةِ وَالْكِتَابِ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ وَآتَى الْمَالَ عَلَى حُبِّهِ ذَ
ان تؤمنوا )
هَذَانِ خَصْمَانِ اخْتَصَمُوا فِي رَبِّهِمْ فَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا قُطِّعَتْ لَهُمْ ثِيَابٌ مِّن نَّارٍ يُصَبُّ مِن فَوْقِ رُؤُوسِهِمُ
يُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِيِّ إِلاَّ أَن يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلَى طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نَاظِرِينَ إِنَاهُ وَلَكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَادْخُلُوا فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَانتَشِرُوا وَلا مُسْتَأْنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ إِنَّ ذَلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِي النَّبِيَّ فَيَسْتَحْيِي مِنكُمْ وَاللَّهُ لا يَسْتَحْيِي مِنَ الْحَقِّ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتَاعًا فَاسْأَلُوهُنَّ مِن وَرَاء حِجَابٍ ذَلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَن تُؤْذُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَلا أَن تَنكِحُوا أَزْوَاجَهُ مِن بَعْدِهِ أَبَدًا إِنَّ ذَلِكُمْ كَانَ عِندَ اللَّهِ عَظِيمًا
I can’t tell you how much you’ve helped me ❤️ raised in a cult, and I’m finally professing my atheism…. You’re helping me to own my life 🤗
09:07 "No, You gotta read it in Arabic, man!"
LMFAO!
"Muhammad rode on a winged horse to heaven and the reason why there's a crescent moon was because he cut it with his sword."
.....da fuc?? Suddenly Christ walking on water seems conservative in comparison...
@Nihal What do you mean by "real"? It literally says that in the Quran, 54,1-2
@Gg what you're doing is called cherry picking. A tactic perfected by religious nuts.
I love when Matt just puts the dagger in the dying sheep.
Well, he sure convinced me! I'm converting tomorrow straight after breakfast...
Good luck with the confusion
11:04 look how scared Don is to criticize Muhammad. Props to Matt though.
Like mohammed is full of like. Like. Full of like crap. Like ya know.
Can we get a ‘like’ counter on this guy
If Abe had learned some basic logic, he’d understand that he needs to prove a god exists before he tries to prove his book is god’s word.🙈
Matt is brilliant..
Ok Matt use this analogy.
I love drag racing and I have a race car and a Christian has a race car. We're at the race track and the Christian sez, "My car can do the quarter in 9.5 seconds"
"Wow, are you sure? That's impressive", I say, "I really wanna see that!"
Then the Christian sez, "But you can't prove I can't do it".
I always use this one "why is it that every single time a religious person is having a heart attack they go to a hospital instead of a church?"
I guess Abe didn’t have enough time to make his case. From what I’ve seen, there isn’t ever going to be enough time.😂
I guess it makes sense that this timeless entity would take a timeless amount of time to explain
I can think of MANY books way better than the Quran. The Dark Tower series, Harry Potter, Frankenstein, Ender's Game, ACOTAR, I mean literallly most books are better from literary and linguistic stand point.
Hell,Tolkien used Lord of the Rings to create languages from.whole cloth.
The study the Qur'an proves that the book is not possible to have been written by a human. And certainly not the prophet Muhammad. Actually a person who is able write it has not yet been born. There's no community of people who all together could produce the book.
You cannot say this about any other book and it is objectively provable to anyone who studies it.
I read only LOTR from this list and it is really good! ;) The single best work of a man to date, most god-like, is probably calculus by Isaac Newton, who accomplished it by the age of 24.
The final 2-1/2 minutes of this video is a wonderfully epic diatribe from Matt against all religious apologists, mohammedan or otherwise.. This is why we need these guys (and gals) at the Atheist Experience to publicly speak some sense to the superstitious! You tell 'em, Sir!!
@@howtodoit4204 There are contradictions in it.
Take a shot every time caller says 'like.' You'll die
This show has made me opened my eyes to the truth, I'm so thankful for this show
Muslim theology is like ok
God only reveal himself / herself to chosen ppl ! Like Abraham , Moses , Jesus , Muhammad…. and not took donate public , Cz …. he chooses the best characters from all humans ,!
I mean the concept of “ perfect God , perfect Book , and perfect man )
Others ( average joe ) is left to obey these “ prophets “ and the “ Laws “ they bring .!
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So the Divine Laws changes with every new prophet,,,, but the “ last prophet “ was Muhammad.
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Matt, stop holding back
For years I’ve noticed that christian apologists are doing a miserable job of proving their fairy tale is true, but the muslim apologists are trying to lower the bar. The muslim apologists even try to recycle many of the failed “arguments” the christians have finally given up on.
Noah a drunk...a miserable drunk 😂😂 😂 Matt you are funny man...thank you ❤️
I don't read Arabic to know, but I'm suspicious because the Christians also pull this "it's so beautifully written" crap and, bluntly, it's just not true.
There's a really long pointless bit where random names are begatting other random names. Goes on seemingly forever.
When I was a Christian, I decided that I'd actually read the Bible cover-to-cover and the "begat" bit was where I gave up on that quest. Around the same time, I was reading a "History of Western Science" book and, well, I'm an atheist now, so guess which book actually gripped me with its truth, its humanity, its far superior writing, its opening of my eyes to how reality actually works, etc.?
Because, no, the Bible's not remotely close to a good read. Revelations is basically totally incomprehensible. There's repeated bits. Repeated bits that contradict each other - so that's the first rule of "internal self-consistency" out of the window. It's full of bizarre digressions.
Even as a work of mythology, it's committing horrid narrative structure faults all over the place.
Sorry, as a work of literature, the Bible isn't very good. It's a crap read.
I've seen even atheists sign up to this "well, of course, the Bible is a great work of literature". No, honestly, it isn't. There's far better works of literature pre-dating it - the Ancient Greeks and such - so it's not even impressive for its time either.
The best you can say is that it's a significant work of literature because of all the people who follow the religion - and, as many studies have shown, most of those followers have, in fact, not even bothered to read their own holy texts, as Biblical knowledge is atrociously poor - but it's not "a great work of literature".
When it's not incomprehensible, it's highly digressive. When it's not just plain irrelevant, then it's boring. Where it's not entirely boring, it's got dreadful narrative structure. Where it's at least readable, it's forever internally self-inconsistent.
Bible book review: 4/10.
And, well, I'm deeply suspicious of similar claims about the Quran - however beautifully sung it might be from the minarets - because, after all, it's got large sections plagiarised from its predecessors. And I know those are shite, so I'm not holding out hope that the "rewrite" suddenly makes it a gripping read, you know?
KlaxonCow 👏👏👍
Yeah, I also tried reading the bible in my teen years, it didn't make a lick of sense. It was a similar experience to sitting on a sofa next to a guy high on weed, who rambles on about his awakening to the world and seeing random bizarro stuff. I didn't even get to page 20.
Gooey Prickles
1. Personal experiences don’t prove anything to anyone else other than the person who had the experiences, the same with testimonies.
2. Thoughts can not manipulate reality.
3. “There’s some sort of metaphysical aspect to reality..” No there isn’t. That’s woo.
@Gooey Prickles argument from populum. It doesn't matter how many people believe nor how ferverently they believe it.
@Gooey Prickles just because a single person believes something, does not make it true. That's an argument from authority. There's no actual empirical evidence of the metaphysical
11:38 seems to be the moment he hung up the phone. I think Matt missed it but I'm pretty sure the caller was offended and decided to hang up at that point.
I think they get some sort of notification if the caller hung up or not.
@@Nexils I'm sure they probably do but it would still be possible to miss as well. It just seemed like the caller hung up because of the background noise and the fact that the caller doesn't respond at all afterwards.
Christians are lucky when compared to Muslims.
They don't have to pray 5 times a day, prostrating themselves before an imaginary being.
And the best thing of all is they are saved by Jesus, even if they are sinners.
Plus, they can wear anything they like.
Like, like, like , like..... I finally stopped counting the number of times the caller said "Like."
Right that was really getting annoying
Regardless of whether Islam is peaceful or not, I will never forgive it for its disdain against homosexuals. And don’t you dare tell me it was only a product of the era. Homosexuals had previously been widely accepted in places like Ancient Greece and Rome, and it was religions like Christianity that brought in a massive wave of homophobia, and Islam would only continue that. If God really loved his followers infinitely, he wouldn’t have made them hate anyone for being gay.
I love how they keep repeating the same argument over and over, as if saying it differently....or even just saying it again...will suddenly make it a good argument. Abe tried to reword it 3 times in the first 5 or so minutes.
Take a shot for everytime the caller says "like" 😂
Dead within halfway through
Oh, it is so grating when the caller doesn't really understand what the hosts have said, then they "agree" by saying, "Yes," or "Okay," or "Yeah" and then they go on with their argument anyway, without actually understanding a thing. Why do they "agree" when they don't?
I think, at least in this particular case, he just wanted to put the arguments he's been hearing in favor of Islam through them so that they could provide him with their point of view. It sounded like he was having his doubts and was only exposed to the Islamic arguments and never to the counterarguments, so he wanted to know what they'd respond so he could make up his own mind.
But yeah, I get your point, it's frustrating.
They need to take time to actually agree. They probably still process what they heard from the hosts while simultaneously continue on with the old argument probably unconsciously.
Yeah, but I think the onus was on Matt to make sure the listener understood.
david hollyfield: Agree...I often think the same thing. Tracy will spend time going "back" to where the caller is, and slowly working them up to understanding...but it's often slow. Matt gets volatile a little quickly. I've seen Don and others here take more time working on that...I wish Matt could stop using "big" words and dumb it down for them. But I guess he's too knowledgeable to quite understand how far back he has to go to reach them. Or he's just unwilling to take that much time and to dumb his own words down.
If you doubt that Beethoven is the true god, try writing something better than his fifth symphony.
caller: "Yea, so like. Like. yeah, so like"
Gotta love those tangents Matt goes on.They used to be semi rare but now Matt don’t hold back even a little bit.I think he’s fed up wit the bullshit from the callers.
You watch this enough( episodes) you see a pattern. All Callers seem get stumped. To defend their view point. I think most are on the fence about their religion. Few are just wack jobs.
The best callers are the ones that call thinking they have a "Gotcha" and think they're going to make the hosts look foolish. Backfires every time
Many of them obviously have never had to actually think about their beliefs at all. Some of them think they are master debaters because they have been preaching to the choir their whole lives, and think debating is easy.
@@Cyba_IT I prefer ones like this one where the theist has doubts and asks for help.
@@grimsoncrow Very true
I stopped watching years ago and coming back, there is nothing new from callers. Each and everyone unprepared and naive.
So tiresome.
I'm waiting for A CONVINCING ARGUMENT.. So far, nothing but shallow and stupid … Or, from the high level Apologists, complicated word play, littered with Straw men and Red herrings, in an effort to lure you into confusion.
Ritchie Stirling
But all smugly arrogant and cocky.
Like counter:
Islam is 1400 years, not 700.
I love the AHA! @3:02
One thing is that the Quran is a beautiful piece of literature, and other is that it says something true
AHA!, I'd say touché
But if anyone reads the 1st page of the Quran, we find the 1st fallacy when talking to Muslims,
How do we know that the Quran is the word of God? Because the Quran says so in the 1st page. Circular argument right there
The Muslim individual who called in, Abe if you can please reply to this message or comment on the first newest video on my RUclips channel with your Skype or details so I could contact you. I’m a Muslim brother from Australia and I can clarify your question with certainty I promise.
Jazak allah al khair
StrigoiVampirism Mr Abe please show up for fresh brainwashing and indoctrination
What Matt says at the end, about only hearing from gods chosen representatives and not from god himself, has got to be one of the best things I have ever heard said.
@@howtodoit4204 - Because he didn't. There are multiple ancient Arabic transcripts of the Quran, all stemming from very close to the life of Muhamad, and they all have errors and contradictions. All versions of the ancient transcripts contain both scientific and historical errors.
Just because your tradition is that there are no errors does not mean that is factual. Errors in the Quran are numerous and well known.
@@jsmith1746 no they are not well known you can’t just fit in what you think. The thing that destroys your cute argument is the fact Muslims memorized Quran 😃. No one can challenge that fact young man
@@howtodoit4204 - The mistakes are well known to those who aren't groomed from birth to obey unconditionally. Your memorizing the book does not change the fact that it still has many historical and scientific inaccuracies.
@@jsmith1746 you are not that intelligent it seems. i said we memorize the quran as to preserve it and it is a proof for Quran miraculous nature because allah said in the quran we made it easy to memorize. The groom of a child has nothing to do with this talk it just shows how you jump around with no logic and rationality. just living. Lmao did you just say quran has many scientific inaccuracies? then bring all those inaccuracies
@@howtodoit4204 :
Well there are at least 30 different Arabic Qurans, and there is no consensus on which of those versions is "perfectly preserved". But here is a sample:
Semen is formed between the backbone and ribs.
The earth is flat.
There are seven earths.
The sun and the moon chase each other around the earth.
The sun goes into a murky pool at night.
Embryos are blood clots.
The sky is solid and held up by allah.
Want more?
I'm paraphrasing slightly but:
"The Qur'an is so awful it almost makes the Bible look good by comparison" - Aron Ra
Haha, that gave me an unexpected laugh! ;]
This guy gave y’all a lot of “likes.”
Down a shot every time this caller says, "Like". I'll see you in the afterlife. 😉😂
From what I've read of the Qur'an so far, it doesn't seem impressive at all. It contains contradictions, factual errors, and absurdities. I see no reason to believe that it is the word of God.
"But you need to read it in Classical Arabic..."
@@scorpions7153 Nah, I prefer it in the original Klingon.
@@klaxoncow At least Klingon is easier to learn
Like what? What are the contradictions? Please provide references.
@4:54 🤣. Only god could produce the art of motorcycle maintenance.
For the HD Hardly Drivingson, for sure ;] The book is called Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance ;]
The opening argument is same as saying that the Universe is so perfect, it can only be God created.
So perfect its 99.9999999...% hostile to life and nothing can survive in it.
Wow as far as video game sandboxes go, that's pretty shit design, yet we're to believe an omnipotent cretin made it all perfectly.
@@howtodoit4204 I think you posted in the wrong thread.
Even if I could write a book just as inspiring as the bible/quran, the theists would just claim that I only did it because their god wanted me to and was helping me, so it'd be a mood point.
"We don't need to go there" lol
We need more people like Matt, an honest person who calls out bs indiscriminately.
1.46
Please do tell Abe, that many have produced Suras(chapters) and Ayat(verses) like the those of the Qur'an and even better.
Muslims keep ignoring them and denying the similarity. RUclips has a few posted.
You can't convince a predisposed (aka BLOCKED) mind.
Matt, you sir, are a badass.
The caller heard an apologist make an argument that sounded compelling to him when he heard it because he lacked the critical thinking skills to find that it had no merit.
My ad before this video: Understand the Quran. XD
"produce something like it" -anyone who thinks the quran is a literary masterpiece knows nothing of world literature. All you need to to confirm this is ask any of the brainwashed to name a single except from anything written by Shakespeare or Goethe even minor classics such as The Rubaiyat or the lyrics of art songs. Surely, there are similarly moving and superior works in every major language and culture. They can't name any of them because they've never read anything but the quran.
As for the claims that the quran has never changed, that's absolute nonsense. The documentary evidences of the quran's changes are readily available.
He said "LIKE" more than anything meaningful LIKE, and it was LIKE painful LIKE to LIKE watch LIKE!
It seems that anyone in US that is less 30 years talks like that...
As Evangelical Christians like Jay Smith would say....If the Quran is written by God, why are there 32 different versions of it?
Glad he's questioning. Despite indoctrination and huge surrounding pressure.
Sad that puts him at risk.
Well LIKE I feel LIKE this book LIKE is not right LIKE so I think LIKE I'm not LIKE very convinced LIKE you know
Jon is not worthy to be Matt's co host. Sorry i dont mean any disrespect. He never brings anything of substance to the discussions and his silly chuckling is so irritating.
I mean, like, you know, like I hear, like, a lot of like, arguments from, like, atheists, like...
AAAARGH! If a god existed he would smite you to pieces for that shit! At least TRY to complete a sentence without making random sounds that add no meaning.
5:57 "books have authors" - man i spilled coffee. Cold joke
These always remind of the old George Carlin routine. “ if god is all powerful and all knowing, can he produce an object that is so heavy that he himself can not lift it?”
How can you say "like" as often as this caller does without catching yourself doing it and being ashamed of yourself?
He will be a changed person after reading these comments.
To be fair, I would become an alcoholic after spending a year on a boat with all those animals
And I say that " Twilight" comes from the Devil... No person in his right mind would write a love story where a girl has to choose between necr-philia and ped-philia..
What is exactly wrong with necrophilia? And where in Twilight is there pedophilia?
@@PGraveDigger1 a dead body cannot consent Bella is 17 Edward is over 100 yrs old
@@hellothere6728 A dead body cannot not consent. It's biological matter, nothing more. Dead organisms like plants and non-human animals cannot consent to being eaten, yet we still eat them. What makes dead human organisms so different that they can consent after death while dead non-human organisms can't?
@@PGraveDigger1 bc they went sentient beings
@@PGraveDigger1 *were
Atheist: criticizes Christianity
Liberals: fine
Atheist: criticizes islam
Liberals: I’ll have to stop u right there
Nice to see these videos with comments abled!
Yes! 👏👏👏👏
That's because the callers name is ABE..Allah demanded they able the comments
You won't see the comment section enabled in the Christians videos that declare it as truth 😁😁😂😂
The quran is a book of convenience whenever the islamic prophet needed something he ran off got a revelation from god and Bob's your uncle
Too many religions claim they have the true word of a God. The Muslims and Christians have the same God but different books. Both cant be the word of God.