Stephanie Thomason vs Matt Dillahunty, or how not to debate an Atheist!
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2017
- Matt Dillahunty and Stephanie Thomason (previously @SJThomason1225, now @Lead1225 on Twitter) go head to head after a short battle on Twitter.
Excerpt from The Atheist Experience show March 12, 2017. Uploaded with permission of the ACA.
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In addition to this, Twitter user K. LittleDeer aka @AyahuascaDreams wrote this great rebuttal:
www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spmut5
Please follow K. LittleDeer on Twitter, under the username @AyahuascaDreams
It's important to recognize that Stephanie isn't just stupid; she's also a bad person.
Flynn, can you get in touch with me?
I'm guessing that the "bad person" thing comes from experiencing Stephanie's behaviour outside of this AXP segment. I can't reasonably infer "bad person" from this, just "stupid person". And the only reason I'm comfortable in that inference is because it was demonstrated. Gainsaying, naysaying and a wilful opposition to logical fallacies.
What encounters have you had that lead you to believe she is bad? I'd love to hear.
@@NxDoyle You are correct in your assumption that my remark about her poor character was based largely upon my encounters with her outside of the AXP video. That said, I think I could build a pretty strong case for her bad character based on this short clip alone. I contend that her repeated refusal to accept Matt's account of his role in the authorship and curation of the wiki in question wasn't just rooted in stupidity; rather, it was driven by animosity.
This AXP interaction aside, here are a few pieces of evidence that testify to her poor character. (1) She has said that Christopher Hitchens's esophageal cancer was a punishment from Yahweh for Hitch's atheism. (2) She has said on multiple occasions that atheists cannot be good parents, and that their children are "weeds." (3) She has posted pics of her students' papers in order to mock their abilities and performance. (4) She said that if a Twitter user didn't unblock her, it would threaten his eternal wellbeing. (5) Her commentary on a famous photo of a dying African child was that God had engineered the taking of that photo to strengthen the character and empathy of people who might see it. (6) She has maintained close associations with some of the most vile, hateful people on social media, and has refused to disavow their hate-filled rhetoric.
And now the icing on the cake: when asked about these lapses and others, her response was mostly just to laugh them off: ruclips.net/video/M6lj2G4kJvY/видео.html.
My apologies for the choppy video.
In short, yes: Stephanie is a bad person for reasons that aren't captured in her ill-advised call to the AXP.
@@NxDoyle I'm not sure if Flynn's encounter is still online, he pointed out exactly to her why she's a terrible human being. My encounters with her are still on this channel. The last one will tell you all you need to know. I was part of what led to this clip, and Stephanie blackmailed me for having the clip on here. She tried to get my RUclips channel shut down with false accusations. When that didn't work, she started a DM group on Twitter to get Atheists and others who disagreed with her suspended by mass reporting them. The group still exists and Flynn and I fell victim to it more than once.
Stephanie is a vile human being, who wants to silence everyone who disagrees with her, or exposes her lies. While I haven't yet, several people have emailed U of Tampa why they employ a disgusting woman like her. Her Twitter timeline is one of the worst you'll come across. De-humanizing the LGBTQ community, supporting people who think Atheists should be gassed, made infertile or culled from the USA. She plays a nice woman, only to attack people behind the scenes. She should not be teaching kids, as she has admitted she will try to indoctrinate students outside of class hours.
Instead of going after her job, we've developed merchandise in the "blocked by" series. We run a commercial for it before every new show we do. Proceeds will go towards charities Stephanie hates and wants to shut down. The merch addressing Stephanie is called "Blocked by SJ". You can check it out here:
scientistmel.com/shop
Peter DeTukker.
This has been a public service announcement.
Well... Here's a logical argument for Stephanie...
God is Love
Love is Blind
Stevie Wonder is Blind,
Therefore Stevie Wonder is God.
flawless and beautiful logic. Would explain why god makes mistakes, natural disasters, and lets bad people get away with things - he can't see what he's doing!
I’d actually go to the church of Stevie Wonder just for the music! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
But Mike Love was in the Beach Boys and he was merely short-sighted.
@@paulcoleman3081 Mike Love, Not War
Makes as much sense as the rest of it.
Stephanie has that "I'll be in heaven, you'll be in hell fire" laugh.
Shes incredibly condescending.
@@eyerollingintooblivion3564 like most religious people
People like her need to be slapped into stainless steel boxes and mechanically shook until only paste remains.
Obviously, if Stephanie goes to heaven, everyone else wants to go to hell. Heaven with Stephanie would be THE hell. Well, happily there are no such things as those hells and heavens which religions successfully make Stephanie blindly believe in. A FUNNY hell is right now here with people like Stephanie, but that, again HAPPILY, has nothing to do with all those man-made religions and imaginary gods. We ARE saved. :-)
Josh Blocker
That’s because god is a robotic extension of their own diabolical mind.
My mother is a narcissist and this lady sounds JUST like her. I dealt with arguments like this my whole life. I think it’s time for ME to hang up!
Science Druid break off contact with her forever if so!
Elijah Gavin Absolutely. When it’s done, it’s done.
Dashing Dave damn
Haliax I don't think narcissism isn't an "either or" thing. It is a spectrum where some people have stronger narcissistic tendencies than others. I have heard therapists say the same thing. I thought of demanding that my father should be checked for one ... But I realized that whether or not he has a clinical diagnosis wouldn't change the fact that he was indeed poisoning the family, lying to our faces, extremely manipulative, controlling, violent, and completely unable to admit even the smallest mistakes let alone even saying the word "sorry" etc. Diagnosis or not; I wouldn't want him in my life for another second.
They waste your time so they can keep you close to suck you dry.
As soon as she started doing that fake smug laugh I would have hung up. No point arguing with a seven-year-old.
I agree. I would have hung up.
yeah the second she started that bullshit you knew it wasnt going to be a productive exchange of rational ideas.
Well said
I agree. The AXP hosts show great patience.
Their patience is very often impressive
Stephanie is proof of the supernatural . She correctly foresaw a pummeling .
Oh I love the comment section
That's supernaturally ironic.
This was almost as painful as listening to Wendy Wright gaggling with Richard Dawkins.
😂😂😂
Actually, her atheist Twitter friends foresaw the pummeling, soooooo, no.
"I don't know" is a much better position than; 'I'm going to pull something out of my ass and pretend to know.'
It’s worse than that.
They pull something out of their ass, pretend it’s a Snickers, and they want you to take a bite.
@@oggyoggy1299 And then try to shove it down your throat.
Stephanie is proof that having a PHD doesn't necessarily mean you are brilliant.
This is they type of lady that always “wants to speak to your manager”
Oh man. I knew I had heard that shitlicking laugh before.
lmao
Megab*tch alert is activating with this caller
Stephanie's friends got what they wanted 🤣
Ruth Cuadrado 😂
She is one of the best arguments for atheism that I have ever seen.
Of course Atheists aren't skeptical of all these infinite unseen inaccessible universes.
But an infinite Creator.... Well that's just absurd!!
Yes yes yes...
Best example for not doing Psych-Meds.
@@geezzerboy maybe it's the best argument to take those psych meds LOL
She was shut down moron.
“An idea does not become correct because someone is willing to die for it.”
@@ephs145 The fellowship of the Ring believed that Gandalf rose from the dead.
Do assume that the gospels are true.
And Scientology is growing faster now than Christianity grew at first.
@@ephs145
What you say would carry more weight if all Christian's had the same second commandment.
Also don't forget that the Bible was put together by Romans not Jews.
@@ephs145
My point is, look outside the Bible. Going by what the Bible says is like going by what The Lord of the Rings, or Star Trek says.
Jesus is the Son of God won by one vote at the council of Nicea.
@@ephs145
They were compiling the Bible. For example why is the Book of Revelations in it but not some of the other Gospels?
It is a book put together by a political body.
@@ephs145
I said the same 2nd commandment.
There is more than one version.
The biggest Christian church uses a different one than you do.
And in the Bible there are 13 verses and IIRC it does not actually say ten.
This woman has the strongest allergy to honesty I've encountered in some time!
I'm reminded of this great quote: ""Debating creationists is like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, then flies back to its flock to claim victory."
This is great man. Priceless👍
Lmao. Best comment
@David Anewman you missed the entire point.
@David Anewman fat chance slick. A snake can't eat a brain👍
😂😂😂
Stephanie was correct she did get a good pummeling.
Pretty sure that Matt went in dry with no lube on her....
Jordan M. and no dinner
She got PUNTED
kwj171068 yep
Yep ...... drop kicked! She got what she expected because on some level she knows she's full of ......
During the early part of the phone call, when Matt asked her a simple question and her response was just laughter, I knew things were headed downhill fast.
"The answer is that I'm a hot blonde. NEXT!"
Refuse to accept reason? She wasn't even interested in listening.
Her pace of speech...she can't wait to dominate the conversation.
She can’t understand normal thinking.....she’s one of those.
A complete narcissist she is.
Even when Matt puts her on hold, she kept talking, meaning she didn't listen to Matt at all. She was interested in presenting her opinion, and _not_ interested in discussing it.
And I can’t wait to hold her head under water for 4-5 minutes
If your opponent doesn't get a chance to speak, you win by default.
"They want to watch me get pummeled by you"
They got their wish then.
Can you imagine having her as a relative.
Im sure she saw it another way
@@samnass what in the hell are you trying to articulate? I dont understand what any of that meant.
I doubt they even had time to finish their popcorn.
Just because people told her they want to see her get pummelled, that doesn't mean she's required to willingly go forward and get pummelled.
Is her brain broken or something?
The frantic pace of talking and laughter really make me uncomfortable. She's so angry she's driving herself insane.
Her atheist friends got a good show.
😂
But did Matt pummel her?
HAHAHAHA
She will 100% not allow atheists be her "friends".... too brainwashed to be open minded.
The sad truth is that some of those atheists--myself included--made a genuine effort to coach her before her AXP appearance so that she wouldn't come off like an idiot. So much for that.
"why do you only let the ridiculous people on the show?" acts totally ridiculous
Smothered beneath all that Christian indoctrination lies the spark of logic.
She's among the worst and most pig headed people to ever appear on AE, and I've seen a lot of them.
@Kenneth John Kelly This has to be one of the most eccentric posts I've yet seen on youtube, which is saying something. It goes way beyond word salad to absolute gobbledygook. I suppose it makes a change from the usual boring religious fare, but hardly an edifying one.
Just say the call with Ray Comfort calling in but 50 min. He didn't have any new arguments, just as bad as most callers.
@@roqsteady5290 I think it's Poe.
Florida woman attempts to debate Matt Dillahunty : fails miserably.
How do you debate someone who will hang up on you if you won't follow their parameters of the conversation? What Matt did was basically say. Let's talk about this, BUT, your form of talking is not acceptable for the conversation. What this has proven is that Matt only actually cares about the drama created from his podcast, and not the actual content.
Don't be so emotional Matt.
@@Silentjackll Actually all he cares about is having a logical discussion with someone who just isn't going to divert the question and spout logical fallacies without accepting it is a logical fallacy. His parameters are set up so a constructive and informative discourse can occur, not so he can always win. Although that does tend to happen.
Ben Littlewood what's wrong with just having a conversation? Yeah remember when people use to do that...
@@Silentjackll Cause conversations dont lead to reason as well without logical structures and policy's.
John peek so you never just sit and talk about anything? It all has to be logical in your head? Damn I feel sorry for you. You must be very sheltered and boring.
I was literally waiting for her to say "fallacy schmallacy"
Matt doesn't need to say anything, she's destroying her own argument.
Wow this woman is unbelievably thick. Why anyone would want to embarrass themselves this much very publicly is beyond me.
T H I C C
MMQuck 😂
Unbelievably T H I Q U E
Her friends and family are just as thick so it’s not embarrassing for her
Shes unbelievably thix
"This is very amusing to me."
That stupid laughter isn't very amusing at all, Stephanie.
It's actually quite psychotic.
There’s a Stephanie in every church.
There’s way more than that
I sat through Easter service at her church online a few years ago and it literally made me nauseous. (And I'm using "literally" in its original sense, not as a stand-in for "figuratively.)
I have ptsd from all of the “Stepanies” in my life☹️
I could make a very similar comment regarding myself.
"Why else would they have come out of hiding ?"
1. Because they got hungry
2. Because someone convinced them it was safe to do so
3. They didn't, the Bible is a work of fiction
4. "They saw something"
It's also amusing she would think that Muslims or Buddhists "never saw anything". Their literature is full of miraculous stories, mysterious apearances, fabulous deeds and so on, but somehow, she brushes it off as disingenuous
Lol I laughed at that. There are hundreds of gods worshipped worldwide and yet, *for some reason,* hers is the only true one and everyone else "didn't see anything".
Also, I feel the need to point out that "they saw something" doesn't necessarily mean "they saw god/Jesus/the Resurrection"; people's eyes can deceive them, their perceptions can be wrong.
start with number 3. Actually you can end with it as well..
Didn't Mohammed do his work because an angel came to him in a dream? Considering that is multiple famous Christian leaders (Constantine and Joseph Smith come to mind), why does that not count?
Maybe there was a big spider in that cave.
My favorite part is when he takes her off hold and says "you were still talking?" His reaction is priceless.
This of course is really the reason behind why this woman believes this nonsense. She hasn't stopped talking long enough for anyone to explain things to her. My guess is probably for years.
Thumbs fucking up, LOL.
Worse is uts proof she wasnt willing to listen. Arsehole of a woman.
"You were still talking??" LMAO
Matt gave such an eloquent and thoughtful rundown after letting Stephany go. I get one heck of a kick out of seeing angry Matt rend people asunder, but my favorite is the cool and collected Matt calmly dismantling a theistic line of reasoning. Just awesome.
That this woman talks about cognitive dissonance is more than ironic.
Seriously it was kinda sad.
HOLD ON!!! IRONY IS EVOLVING!!!
Well, given her arguments, she is a true expert in cognitive dissonance. Not that she could even spell it...
That shows she knows what it is, so she has to know she has it herself.
I felt like she was gonna ask for the manager
The woman reminds me so much of my aunt.
wagner55 🤣
Wonder if her real name is Karen...
And then slit the manager’s throat
sexist
” God does not work in mysterious ways - he works in ways that are indistinguishable from his non-existence”
"My atheist friends just want to see me get pummelled by you". That didn't take long.
Jon has the best line, "how do you know any of this?"
John is so underrated
I enjoyed this call more than I should have lol, her smug laughing at the beginning was driving me nuts and I couldnt wait for hammer time, was not disappointed!
Yea Matt clearly explained to her several times that she's not taking his statements on, this is a wiki page he hasn't even seen in years....she's just gunning for a fight and she's too dumb to see she's a first week white belt taking on the 3rd degree black belt.
God the ignorance these people display never ceases to amaze me..... it's both hilarious and utterly terrifying.
"It is a fallacy parade with theists", god I love Matt.
She doesn't understand what a Wiki is or how it works.
she doesnt understand a fallacy either lol.
she doesn't understand much...... she says he only lets ridiculous people call in, then proceeds to be one of the most ridiculous callers.... I guess she was right about one thing....
It's a kind of torch, right?
@DastardlyDawkins You are confused.... what "we guys" are is fairly simple: we do not believe anyone has provided any reasonable evidence for the existence of a God. Her call is on it's face ridiculous. She makes multiple false statements. She states that the weakness of atheism is the fact that it regularly says "we don't know". When you don't know something, the right answer is not "God", it is "we don't know". Making up an answer to support a stone age set of beliefs is not something that fits your idea of "highest academic standing". Does that help, or are you determined to be confused?
@@zackhall2681 Stephanie probably thinks that fallacious is oral sex.
Matt, after taking Stephany off hold: "Holy crap! You're still talking??!?" 😆😆
That's how religion wins against reason. Reason collapses under a barrage of righteous indignation.
That was the highlight of the entire video for me!
I have a frickin' headache listening to her yammering... her poor husband!
I don't WANT to believe she is married. That would be THE hell for her poor spouse. The only kind of hell we KNOW exists.
She must give good headache. 🤯
That bitch has no husband
No actually she’s married, or claims she is anyway.
Quite frankly if he has married her he probably is the same type of person. Uber devout and willing to get into it with anyone, never letting up.
Though, outside of religion, I can't see how he puts up with her. I can't see how her behavior makes for a healthy relationship at all. You don't get an end call button in a face-to-face conversation.
One of the most obnoxious women i’ve ever heard.
As I said before on Twitter: She already presupposes that the scriptures are reliable. This is precisely the point atheists are disputing. She doesn't even attempt to back that up. Unless she can show that the sources for her claims are credible her argument doesn't even get off the ground.
Thanks for uploading!
Stephanie is the prototype Christian who lacks the ability to listen and lacks comprehensive knowledge of logic. She also is very reluctant to admit she lies, even when several people point out to her there's evidence she's lying.
Stephanie is filled with an inexpiable hate against non-believers and will rather admit every religion on the planet is correct, than the fact there is no good evidence for her god. In my opinion, the most irrational position to take.
I'll be enjoying my THIRD block by Stephanie.
Dean Esmay definitely has bad influence on her...
Nope! Stephanie has had this attitude long before she even met Dean.
Let's not blame Dean for something he didn't cause.
ILikeTarsiers And the guy they saw after Jesus death nobody recognised,(gardener/stranger on the road) but it's probably they were easy to convince it was jesus because they wanted to be.even doubting Thomas couldn't I D him except by feeling his wounds.
mariusz sabadasz Well..she most probably is, being a fundie. Look up " Correlation Between Intelligence And Religiosity" in Wikipedia for lots of peer reviewed science on that subject.: )
"The more I learn, the less I know."
This woman obviously knows it all.
😂 😂 😂 😂
Stephany was one second away from asking to speak to the manager...
She started with the attitude and tone of voice that teen daughters give their parents.
"Are you capable of answering the actual question I asked..."
"No..."
End of discussion right there.
"What else could it be?" Wow, I never thought of it like that. I'm back to being a Christian now!!
"of course I'm wasting time" click! Not no more 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She definitely showed her true colors there didn’t she? She believes she is doing god’s work (since I guess he’s the most powerful powerless being) by wasting time and she may have saved one Christian from
Calling in. Or something stupid like that.
I know an angel farted on me when I was a baby and that's why my hair grew.. *What else could it be?* 😜🤪
Ugh. That first smarmy laugh really pissed me off and I don’t know any of these people.
"As long as I keep talking, you can't say anything, therefore you're wrong"
"Blessed are those that have not seen, yet have believed". Jesus.
I have never seen any body thetans yet I believe in them. Tom Cruise.
My mom in a nutshell.
The Verbal Diarrhea Fallacy 😂
She's was wrongly named, all evidence points to her being a KAREN 😂
Atheist friends? I doubt that. She wouldn’t be a friend of mine.
For anyone watching this video who is confused by Stephanie's responses, I encourage you to google her blog, where she did a write-up about this debate afterwards, and especially read the comments. In the comments people ask her what she thinks a "fallacy" is, and she gives three dictionary definitions, focusing on her belief that a "fallacy" means "a belief which is false". Yet, it's clear in the context of the discussion in this video that Matt is talking about a logical fallacy, in the context of formal argumentation and logic.
That is the fundamental disconnect. How she became a professor without learning in a GE logic class what a fallacy is, I have no idea.
She also clearly doesn't understand what a wiki is. This is all fine, if it wasn't for her (apparently to me) arrogant belief that it's better to switch a topic than to say, "actually, I don't really understand what that is... would you please explain?"
To me, that's her major problem; she won't acknowledge that she doesn't know what certain things are.
Additionally, in her blog post comments, she also explains that what she was trying to say at the end was that Matt was suffering from "the fallacy of atheism", which doesn't make sense until you remember that she thought "fallacy" meant "a false belief". So, in a nutshell, she incorrectly thought that Matt was simply saying, "your beliefs are false", instead of "you are engaging in a logical fallacy in your argument".
Yep, you nailed it.
Wow! I can't call her an idiot enough times.
Kit Gautier Well said, she's simply ignorant of so many things
Lmao what an idiot
,
I didn't know the apostles were gay. I'm glad they came out.
Jesus loves teh gays
Dennis Winn that is funny!
I'm glad too. No one should have to hide who they love.
Stephanie - Oh my! Do you listen to yourself?
X+Y=7
A: What is X?
B: I don't know... There's not enough info.
A: How can you say that? How embarrassing for you! I *know* that X=19
B: Uh, no. You believe X is 19. But, I really doubt that.
A: *Well, what else could it be!?*
Math, to the rescue!
I know what is.
It’s y-7
Checkmate atheists.
Any real number
They got off the wrong foot and she kept running with both wrong feet.
It was all Steph sticking her stinky foot in Matt's face.
Her little nervous/condescending laugh, after everytime he made a good point, was infuriating.
She’s an attention begging narcissist.
Stephanie's not playing with a full deck. Could you imagine what it would be like to be married to her?
Just shoot me!
We did it ladies. We found the ultimate Karen.
"The apostles came out of hiding!"
How do you know the apostles ever existed?
The Bible 😐
@@ravenwda007 And there we have it, the epitome of circular reasoning.
@@filipstellberg8280
Indeed
Exactly
Filip Stellberg Matt had just finished explaining to her that the amount of people who believe something, or the length of time people believe something, or the types of people who may believe something, are all irrelevant to whether an argument is true or not so she says “fair enough,” and immediately she asserts that the apostles came out of hiding, so it must be true!!
-If you wont answer my question, I swear I will hang up on you, because you are wasting time...
-Of course I'm wasting time...
*hangs up*
-Not anymore you're not.
And my monitor screen is officially been baptized by beer which I drank.
Hahaha! Can I buy you a new beer?! That was funny.
@@kenhasibar2624 Would be delighted, I'll be sure to drink it after I laughed my ass of from stupidity.
Lmao!!
Lord Almighty if her responses and laughter don't have crazy written all over them. The scary part is people like this are left to roam our streets unattended
Legend says that Stephanie is still on hold and talking about apostles to herself.
Why do Christians never adhere to their book of fables words?
1 Timothy 2 :11
"A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet."
I can sum it up in five words:
We don't believe that part.
Well then why bother believing any of it if you're just going to cherry-pick the good parts of the bible?
For the record I am an atheist but is that not an old testament verse? Christians are freed from Mosaic law and the old testament with the death of Jesus. This negates the old testament to nothing more than an historical document, could be the religious argument. Or you could use the logical argument, these books were written at a time according to the culture of that time...they are not the words of god or they would be less open to interpretation, would be written to an unchanging morality which would be as perfect today as it was then and are instead the feeble and ambiguous scribblings of flawed men.
That part does not count I for her I guess !
@Daveyboyz -- 1 Timothy is in the New Testament.
*five minutes after being explained the same thing over and over again*
"Okay, fair enough."
FFS.
Lol I've observed that too lol she twisted as hell
The indoctrinated brain fears a meltdown so it blocks criticism.
When you're dead set on being correct you'll block any information coming in!
More like Ste-fail-nie, amirite?
Anyone?
Pinned!
She's such a clown 🤡
yerite
Stephanie doesn’t understand how the internet (or apparently, anything else) works.
"Maybe they were hungry" is perfectly acceptable and logical reasoning
Ted M
Cant you eat while you’re hiding? Why start preaching because you’re hungry?
@@kjustkses
Maybe they needed to poop really bad and the cave was getting really stinky.
Luna
Yeah, that was quite profound. 😴
@@kjustkses Well What else could it be??!!1
Matt's exposition at the end of this video (maybe 2/3 in) is absolutely superb. Clear, well reasoned and lucid. Hooray!!!!
The *cray cray* is strong with this one
She’s fuckin bananas, you can see it in her eyes still today. I like going on her videos and implying she’s old 😂💦
I just listened to the episode in question and found this call incredibly frustrating. After 6 minutes of Matt having to explain why she was incorrect about the Iron Chariots wiki, Steph's actual topic was just a mess of assertions and a classic logical fallacy. The "why else would they have come out of hiding?" is indeed a clear-cut argument from ignorance fallacy.
Essentially she's convinced based on "this has to be what happened because nothing else makes sense", and Matt immediately pointed it out as an argument from ignorance, and Steph of course denied it as so, and tried to squirm out of it and misdirect. And never demonstrated anything, just asserted it. Completely dishonest.
Right, and why did the disciples go into hiding in the first place? 1 little bit of trouble and they all lost faith in Jesus and totally doubted him....it's just a terrible story even for a comic book.
And given that the existence of Jesus or the Disciples hasn't been proved, it's even more of a rabbit hole situation.
Why did the fictional chicken cross the non-existent road? Blah blah blah quantum blah.
Paul V. Montefusco I think the episode in question is this video
It is incredibly me.
+Paul V. Montefusco
"What was the relevance of that page, anyway?"
Iron Chariots wiki is a web ressource Matt has supported and cited a lot in the past for its relevant contents to the debate about atheism. He also stated he was involved in creating it "12 years ago" in the video we are commenting on here...
as for the name it is a reference to a bit in the Pentateuch where it says that god helped the Israelites to conquer all of Canaan, except for the valleys as the folks there had "Iron Chariots", so that is a weapon that can beat YHWH!
btw i don't know if you found the episode in question, but this is the link given on the AXP archive website for 2017 03 12; Matt Dillahunti and John Iacoletti taking viewer calls : ruclips.net/video/8uAzf2qWJ3E/видео.html
Matt to Stephanie: "Can you take responsibility for being incorrect?"
Stephanie to Matt: "I suppose I could In a transparently resentful manner with as much detest as possible as to pacify my own narcissistic motives, but I have assert my undeserved sense superiority"
That's what I heard.
Why are most atheists better Christians than self proclaimed followers of the doctrine?
Stephany*
Friggin' awesome logic primer complete with a world-class example of someone going full-on batshit crazy, going to share this with my kids.
I think this was one of Matt's best clips.
Stephanie's main argument is "I don't know what else it could be".
She uses the same argument that she mocked at the very beginning.
Not really. It's true that "I don't know" features in both positions, but it's used in opposite ways:
1) I don't know of an explanation for X. Therefore I'm not willing to infer further. (INTELLECTUAL HONESTY)
2) I don't know of an explanation against X. Therefore I'm willing to infer that X must be true. (FALLACY)
@@starfishsystems spot on Dan, spot on.
"Maybe they got hungry." Holy shit I had to pause the video from laughing. That was absolutely brutal.
Well put, Matt!
Wow the patience excersised here. I feel like sometimes matt can be a bit trigger happy with the hang up button ( and i understand the show has limited time ) but here he has shown nothing but patience and tolerance. He really done a good job here in my opinion.
Why is she so smug!? Holy shit i feel bad for her family. Lol plus Matt totally blew her mind using "big words"
Dunning-Kruger perhaps?
Have her children come out from hiding?
Yeah because Matt is an expert at blowing things...
It's her job to be smug. She is a Professor.
by SJ Thomason
"Over the past couple of years, I’ve been active on social media. In that time, I’ve discovered that many atheists are active on social media as well and they often target me for my views on Christianity. I’ve learned much about many of their views, so this article offers some arguments to present my views in the context of theirs.Christ appearing before a man - Christian Defense Against Atheism
One discovery I’ve made is that many want “evidence” for my faith in Christianity. They don’t want to hear that many of the two billion Christians in the world have strong personal testimonies. This “anecdotal” evidence, even when considered collectively, is not enough. I told them that I could collect testimonies from a thousand people in my church to create an empirical study using subjective content analysis, which would analyze themes and patterns. They reply that they need physical evidence. Of course, they know that I can’t produce physical evidence of the metaphysical."
I wonder how the words "pummeling" and "popcorn" escaped the title of this video ...
If you were aware of everything that lead up to this on Twitter, you'd know I had no chance in hell getting it all in the title.
But you have a point though...
I can imagine. That woman went all over the place. I heard this exchange live when it happened and searched for it on youtube a couple of days later. I notice Stephanie was banned by Matt on Twitter shortly after the show. Her only takeaway from the show seemed to be that Matt thought the apostles came out of hiding because they were hungry. I think she could at least have considered some of the other parts where less irony was involved ... Pummeling appears to be a fulfilled prophesy in this case.
Matt did block her. But not before she went on a blocking spree, blocking almost everybody involved in the thread that lead to her call.
Stephanie's not big on taking criticism...
That is a rather grim perspective! She was suicidal and Matt went with it ... Out of compassion?
→ to the knee
She blocked irrationally. Even people that hadn't addressed her before. She seems to be falling for Dean Esmay aka Max Kolbe from Escaping Atheism. In my opinion a fast growing hate group. Dean is as incoherent as they come and has already stated all religions are true. Stephanie's biggest blunder was that she used her real name in her Twitter handle @SJThomason. She told in another video, she feared her employer would find out about her activities on Twitter and RUclips.
Why would someone care so much about things happening (or not happening) 2000 years ago is beyond my comprehension.
I came out of hiding to watch this video again.
And she's a professor?? Must be pretty goddamn easy to become one in the US of A.
μ-receptor a prime example of how intelligent people can believe stupid things. her belief overrides her intellect.
Anthony Johnson 'overriding': big time yeah. "prime example": exactly! What did she study? Philosophy maybe? oh, that would be so ironic!
μ-receptor A friend at University once said to me 'a 3 year degree from a U.S. University is equivalent to 2 years of a 3 year degree from a UK university'. I don't believe this myself but people like this moaning madonna appear to support the idea sadly
To show my solidarity with the 'moaning madonna' I support her on this one.
+Nige GSX14
When I was still teaching at a state uni, a while back now, I explained to one of my good students that a bachelor's degree in 1995 was roughly equal to a high school diploma in 1965 in terms of educational and earning value. She was a clever girl--got her BA in three years and went right into a Master's program. Hope she's doing all right.
"Maybe they got hungry?" Priceless!
Muzz Litebeer Lol, that was the 1st thing I thought when she said it. 🤣
Reincarnation can't be true because it makes it possible to be born to a woman that operates on faith.
Yahweh wouldn't be that cruel.
See you next Tuesday, Stephanie!
This episode, like others, is more a question of self identity, mental health and clarity of thought! Callers that let their emotions get the best of them is my entertainment!
The really amusing thing was her tone of voice and manner - "Just watch smart little me demolish this evil atheist", which quickly turned into the usual theist tactic when challenged: babble non-stop, louder and louder and ignore the question. l was waiting for my favourite interruption of all time - 'That's not fair! You're using logic!! I didn't come on here to to argue with logic. I came on here to show y'all how clever I I am. It's NOT FAIR!!"
Religion is a test of your cognitive functions. Most primates fail.
Stephanie, according to your 'logic' if the 911 attackers were willing to die for their cause, that must make their cause true correct? Otherwise they would not have done it. then the questions muslims would say is "Why else would they do it? .... This is the same as your argument from ignorance fallacy.
rossini55 sorry but that's far too logical an argument for her to accept it.
Socrates it’s like she has an iq of -10
Or the 900+ people who drank the poison in Jonestown following their leader.
Does it mean their cult was real?
Ruth Cuadrado: AGREED! Or Heaven's Gate followers, who did incredibly unreasonable things because they BELIEVEDl Why else would men agree to cut off their testicles? Or whatever it was they agreed to do, not to mention die for their cause of aliens coming to take them away or some such ideas?
She just said how many muslims saw anything at 9:44.
Well, many people witnessed Muhammed directly. His actions and words were transmitted later on. (although after his death but from the people who directly witnessed the events) Muhammed's companions (sahaba), many of them, claimed that they saw him split the moon in two pieces. All of them offered and some gave their lives to spread Islam.
Since you just claim since a few early Christians were said to have claimed that they saw Jesus rose from dead and were so brave to give their lives for it(in a book that was written to convince people), it is the proof that Jesus rose from dead, do you understand that according to your logic you should also make the same claim that Islam is true religion because many of sahaba witnessed Muhammed perform a miracle and they were willing to give their lives for it. If they did not believe Islam is true after witnessing the miracles, what else could it be that they gave their lives for it?
So Christian lady, do you also believe that Muhammed was a prophet of Allah as you believe Jesus rose from dead? Well, I just told you that many muslims claimed to see a lot of things, and those account are more provable historically than what bible says.
Stephany, those apostles were fictional characters.
Wow, she was so delusional that they were absolutely real!
Best call ever. I’ve never laughed so hard. Religion has “some” good things, but this is what makes most of us seek other means of social gathering.
It's even more tragically hilarious (hilariously tragic?) for those of us who warned her NOT to do what she did during her call.
I tried very hard to convince her to go a different route, but I guess Yahweh told her otherwise or something.
But here's the bad news:
When she called in to AXP she was just a nut; in the years since then she has become a *dangerous* nut.
@@professorflynn8062 any updates on her condition? has she found a cure yet??
maybe they came out because they were hungry 😂😂😂
Or maybe there was a spider in there where they were hiding.
Anthony Johnson I believe they came out of hiding, saw their shadows, and then there were 6 more weeks of winter.
That one was great, wasn't it?
It was raining. They needed a new pair of clothes. I know so because I really, really know so. And if you try to beat my logic, you fail. Because I really know so. If you still don't believe me I write it down. Then it is written so it must be so.
davids11131113...lol..hey something funny just happened when I read your spider comment.. right when I finished reading it a freaking spider walked across my screen..i know your comment is a year old but I just thought it would be fun to share that.
In all honesty, I feel nothing but pity for this woman. She’s demonstrating exactly what happens when you accept dogmatic ideas, when you don’t critically examine anything; she’s just going off of raw emotion. Almost right out of the gate, her tone literally screams the fact that she has an antagonistic chip on her shoulder. Its representative of this religious baggage that promotes bitterness or resentfulness towards people who not only don't share your cherished beliefs, but constantly point out the flaws in them. "How dare they! Why don't they understand?? It's obvious to me! How else could these things have happened??" Hope she finds her way out, but I doubt it.
She just wants to make it as a prominent Christian apologist but she's terrible and the day of the apologists I winding down anyway, she won't make it. Even Christians hear her smug babble and are turned off.
Just the tone of her speech sounded very much like I did when I would fly off the handle insanely -- I was lucky to have had the problem diagnosed by a mental health professional, and counseling and meds ensued. I hope she does not circle the drain forever...
I found her to be far too arrogant to feel pity - her arrogance prevents her from actually hearing what Matt is saying - however, like olin97217, I do hope she gets the professional help she needs.
Brilliant!
This woman sounds like Kathy Bates in Misery.
Yeah prolly in over my head here, better just get out to my cock-a-doodie car and leave.